SRAM Announces NX 1x11 Drivetrain

Feb 11, 2016
by Mike Kazimer  
SRAM have announced the details of their new NX drivetrain, which lowers the cost of upgrading to a 1x11 setup to previously unprecedented levels. The complete group – chain, cassette, cranks, shifter and derailleur – retails for $310 USD. To put that into perspective, the cassette alone from SRAM's highest end XX1 group goes for $416.

One of the noteworthy features of the new group is the 11-42 tooth cassette. Rather than requiring that riders use an XD driver, the cassette will fit on a standard freehub body. It's not exactly light, weighing in at a claimed 538 grams, but the $79 retail price will likely make those extra grams easier to overlook. The rest of the group shares a similar look to SRAM's higher end drivetrains, but less expensive materials and construction techniques have been used in order to keep the price down.

The bottom line? Expect to see 1x11 drivetrains popping up on more bikes than ever, and for front derailleurs to become increasingly rare. Read on for the details of the new group as provided by SRAM.





PG-1130 Cassette


Details
Super wide gear range — a perfect fit for any ride
Optimized gear steps across entire range
Compatible with non-XD driver body
Fully compatible with all SRAM 1x drivetrains

Specifications
• 11 speeds
• Gearing: 11-42t
• Cog sizes: 11t, 13t, 15t, 17t, 19t, 22t, 25t, 28t, 32t, 36t, 42t
• Cogs on cluster: 3
• Part weight: 538g

MSRP: $79 | €89 | £68

SRAM NX drivetrain

SRAM NX drivetrain

1x X-Sync Crankset

The SRAM NX crankset provides high performance at the right price. Featuring the SRAM engineered X-SYNC chainring, the NX crankset is engineered for complete chain control. Each tooth’s thickness is CNC machined to work seamlessly with the chain’s inner and outer links. Personalize your gearing with seven available chainrings (28t, 30t, 32t, 34t, 36t, 38t, 40t).

Details

• 6000 series aluminum arms
• Fully compatible with all SRAM 1x™ drivetrains
• Most affordable fully featured 1x crank in the industry
• BB compatibility: BB30/PF30-68/73mm, GXP 100mm/ PF GXP 121mm, GXP PF GXP 68/ 73mm
• Weight: 680-780g



• Crank arm lengths: 155mm, 165mm, 170mm, 175mm
• BB spindle interface: 24mm, 30mm
• Chainring material: aluminum
• BCD: 94 BCD
• Chainline: 49.0mm, 52.0mm, 66.5mm
• MSRP: $116 | €120 | £92

PC-1110 CHAIN

Designed from a long line of dependable, lightweight chains that are built for toughness, the recommended chain for NX, PC-1110. Designed with SRAM’s trusted XX1 geometry, the PC-1110 features solid pin construction, 11-speed PowerLock® and smooth, efficient shifting that you can count on every time out. Weight: 232-273g. MSRP: $14 | €14 | £11

SRAM NX drivetrain


11-Speed X-Actuation Trigger Shifter

SRAM NX trigger shifter with X-Actuation technology gives you sharp, dependable shifting. Built for precise and swift shifting across our wide range 11-speed cassette, the NX trigger shifter brings industry changing technology to everyone. Fully compatible with all SRAM 1x™ drivetrains. Weight: 142 grams. MSRP: $27 | €28 | £22

SRAM NX drivetrain


11-Speed X-Actuation Grip Shift

SRAM NX Grip Shift with X-Actuation technology gives you sharp, dependable shifting. Built for precise and swift shifting across our wide range 11-speed cassette, the NX Grip Shift brings industry changing technology to everyone. MSRP: $33 | €35 | £26

• SRAM 1x X-Actuation for precise and dependable 11-speed performance
• Speed Metal shift indexing
• Rolling Thunder ball bearing technology
• Jaws lock-on grip technology
• Most affordable fully featured 1x grip shifter in the industry
SRAM NX drivetrain


NX 1x11 X-Horizon Rear Derailleur

The SRAM NX X-Horizon rear derailleur provides the same smooth, reliable shifting action as XX1—from the larger upper pulley offset to the 12-tooth X-Sync pulley wheels.

By eliminating unwanted chain movement, X-Horizon shifts faster, puts an end to ghost shifting and reduces shift force and chain slap. And with Cage Lock technology, wheel removal and installation are easier than ever. Weight: 322 grams. MSRP: $74 | €76 | £58
SRAM NX rear derailleur






www.sram.com, @SramMedia




400 Comments

  • 336 6
 Riders going single for Valentine's...
  • 72 1
 with 11 partners, kinky at a lower price point.
  • 7 1
 LMFAO....whatever happened to passive std testing.
  • 35 47
flag mitcht (Feb 11, 2016 at 7:46) (Below Threshold)
 Good value in this groupo. Lookout XT.
  • 106 15
 @mitcht except you're comparing pot metal to XT, there's not even a compairison to XTs quality
  • 27 2
 yeah its probably for someone who is riding a COVE STD
  • 13 1
 All we had to do was wait. Hopefully with both affordable options from shimano and SRAM it will drop the price for the high end groups.
  • 11 1
 yeah...overlooking the weight, looks like it could double an XT group's weight...
  • 22 5
 Don't think xx1 will ever get cheaper. There will always be dentists out there willing to buy it, so they will always have that price high. It's be nice if they could get a dh 7 speed that's more affordable, something like ZEE
  • 5 14
flag moefosho (Feb 11, 2016 at 9:05) (Below Threshold)
 I'll get XT or wait for X01 Eagle
  • 24 4
 "Lookout XT" more like "look out someone just attached a boat anchor to your bike". So you have a GX-like pinned cassette which already has a reputation of coming unpinned with strong (or clumsy) riders, but even heavier. And the armchair critics are going to lose their minds that it doesn't have the 10 speed cog!

It is cheap. Keith's law: "Strong, light, cheap; pick any two". This is looking a little bit just like cheap.
  • 12 3
 I wouldn't want this cassette hanging on the tail of my bike, it weighs well over half a kg. XT is lighter, better materials.
  • 16 6
 What is it? 80g heavier than the XT cassette? 80g on one point of your bike, no one will notice that extra weight. Probably won't even make you 1 second quicker on a 1 hour ride.

Then again, the price is so close to XT cassettes that i would indeed spend $10 (?) extra for the XT
  • 36 1
 I have xx1 and I'm no dentist. Oh wait I'm broke Frown
  • 5 2
 @TFreeman they do make that... It's called Zee! Just remove the top 3 cogs! Simple!!!
  • 9 1
 Sunrace 10 speed 42 -11 cassette all the way. Same range, much lighter. Easy
  • 7 0
 @Mattin ~10 bucks to save ~80g of unsprung rotating mass is a steal in this industry.
  • 5 1
 Dang it! I just upgraded my bike to GX 1-11 and I had to get a friggin expensive xd driver body from I9. I could have saved $300! By the way I'm a dentist. Non of my dentist friends that ride spend that kind of money on xx1.
  • 2 0
 An XT 1x11 which is pretty great is only 530$ CDN which is like 370$USD or less so for the 50$ I feel that this will actually be a miss. Especially given we are likely to get a fantastic, well performing, lighter, less falling apart prone slx for the same or less price in a short time. That price is on line tho, so if you are in a last minute need to get your lbs to updrade you to one more gear I guess then you will be saving some $.
  • 1 0
 You can def feel a difference in the weight considering its rotational and rotational weight goes a long way.
  • 4 1
 @treymotleyDH : That it's rotational mass is not much of an issue since it's very close to the axis, but it's also undamped, and that's not so good.

No idea why someone would go for one of those cheaply made SRAM groups instead of Shimano. I get it for the high-end stuff, where both are up to par, but not for the cheaper options where Shimano seems far superior to me.
  • 1 0
 the crankarms are the exactly same as in the gx group. same weight, same geometry, same price. Just more length options and another logo.
  • 3 6
 People go for cheap SRAM stuff because you can fit it to a trail bike and 3 years later after a heck of a lot of miles, you might have to replace the rear derailleur (as I did because I bent the mech hanger and chewed the mech up in the wheel). You fit it, set high and low and it shifts right every time. I tweak the shimano mech on my DH bike every bl**dy ride!!The one on my new trail bike is better, but in all likelihood I will look to change to this groupset, but with a lighter cassette.
  • 4 4
 XT won this match up easily. Pay an extra $120 and save 100's of grams. Either way I would never consider adding over a pound to my rig just to gain a granny gear option.
  • 11 3
 I still don't get how people are complaining that this is not as good as the more expensive stuff. Sure, just as with Shimano it is worth spending the extra money for Deore stuff instead of Altus, but that's not an option for everyone. Consider this as an Altus for those who can't afford spending $120 extra on their bike for XT.

The fact that you don't belong in the target group of this product, doesn't make it bad.
  • 6 2
 There are a lot of weak people on pinkbike it seems you are all whining about grams on a 30 pound bike well I'm all over here like whats the big deal I xc on a 43lb rocky Mountain rmx
  • 9 1
 Just looking at the rear derailleur, cassette, and shifter, because that's all you really need to upgrade to 11 speed:

XT: (prices from Chain Reaction Cycles)
Derailleur: 273g $71
Cassette: 447g $81
Shifter: 144g $47
Total: 864g $199

NX: (prices from this article)
Derailleur: 322g $74
Cassette: 538g $79
Shifter: 142g $27
Total: 1002g $180

Even if you're strapped for cash, I'd still recommend spending the extra $19 to save roughly 1/3 lbs. Or maybe wait to hear how well the NX shifter works with the XT derailleur. If you can use the NX shifter with the XT mech, then you can save the weight and the money. I really can't see any reason anybody should buy the NX cassette, though.
  • 2 1
 I should add that even if you're building a bike from scratch, there's no incentive to buy the whole group, because it doesn't save you any money in this case. Just buy the pieces separately along with your preferred cranks, chainring, and chain.
  • 3 0
 @Mattin This isn't just just one point on your bike, this is most importantly so called unsprung weight!
  • 1 2
 Maybe it's just you being over sensative to public critique and discussions made available thru a forum format. Reasearch forum definitions, listen to some smooth jazz and call me in the morning. Everything going to be alllllllllllright.
  • 1 0
 Just sucks its not matchmaker compatible....but SRAM always works great with expensive schifter and cheap derailleur
  • 1 0
 @dlxah Do the same math with the manifacturer retail price for Shimano. The price you see on chain reaction are much lower than retail price and the NX parts would most likely sell for less on CRC too!
  • 1 0
 Shimano's margins are much lower than Sram so CRC can get away with selling Shimano at those prices but with Sram, not as well. And Shimano just dropped their prices on every component, XTR, XT, Dura-ace, etc. by a good amount. Quality and shifting wise XT will outperform NX and since the price drop, they will be separated by about $10 between groupos.
  • 153 8
 Thank you Sram for listening to the people on this one.
  • 19 31
flag Uuno (Feb 11, 2016 at 7:49) (Below Threshold)
 Haha nobody to thank here they made this to earn money because the other wide range one by s are becoming so popular. But I see what you mean!
What I hope for (and would be thankful for) is a praxis/sunrace style wide range 10s cassette from Sram and Shimano.
Because right now it's Low price, Light weight, Wide range - pick two, concerning the big brands. Sunrace and Praxis give you all three but performance doesn't seem to be as good.
  • 21 1
 10s derailleurs only work decent on 40t cassettes and lower. The slant angle on the parallelogram will never allow them to work well on a 42. This is why new derailleurs and 11s are a thing. Just wait, 12 is coming...soon.
  • 5 0
 Yeah, but if you get a 10-speed 9-40 cassette, you can go with a small ring and still have an easy enough gear and a heavy enough one. Smile
  • 17 1
 Everyone keeps saying how 12s & 13s will be next, and that may very well be true, but I don't think its going to be a simple proposition of just adding a couple more cogs. As it is now with 1x11 it seems chainlines are being pretty close to maxed out as is evidenced by the way the chain drops off many 1x11 setups in the big gear when you backpedal. I'm curious how they address the issue as it would seem there is only so much angle that a chain line can have and still operate efficiently without very premature wear.
  • 11 1
 They didnt listen to the ppl they followed the competition. Oneup, Wolftooth, Sunrace. the comp has been offering this kit at a "reasonable" price. scram and shim would be smart to face a little revenue erosion to stay on top of these little guys. Too bad for us they are doing it slow and not putting a better (lighter) foot forward.
  • 18 1
 Looks like 1x11 is coming to my commuter...
  • 2 8
flag hitarpotar (Feb 11, 2016 at 8:49) (Below Threshold)
 12 is just around the corner (in march - hellooooooo SRAM Smile ). 13 is too much already. As far as chainlines on their max - you simply put a chainguide (LG1+, MRP G2/G3, and others of this type) and you are sorted. Smile
  • 8 0
 @hitarpotar I think the chaindrops during backpedalling occur on the cassette, a guide won't help there.
  • 5 0
 @Pedro404 @hitarpotar - yes thats exactly what I am talking about. Its not the chain dropping on the front ring, its drops off the cassette because of the angle of the chain. A guide won't help with that. Its not really about dropping chains, its having the drive train operate quietly, efficiently, and without extreme wear with the chains running at such excessive angles.
  • 3 1
 +1 on props for Sram for making 1x11 even more affordable. Personally I would only be interested in the shifter and derailleur, but still stoked these got cheaper Smile
  • 5 0
 Funny that, since my stock 10sp SLX derailleur is working really well with the Sunrace 11-42 cassette. And since several OEMs spec bikes with SLX and 10speed cassettes and 42t extender cogs. Guess none of those work. Granted, with this product, the whole 1x10 thing is becoming a bit irrelevant - but to say it's not working doesn't really do them justice.
  • 6 1
 If you own a 10sp SRAM drivetrain the cheapest upgrade to 11 sp is to buy small part for your shifter for about $15 + shipping, that will automatically convert your shifter and derailleur into 11 sp. You just need to buy a new chain and cassette. Can't remember what the name of the company was, but they were from South Africa. If anyone remembers the name of this company please let us know Smile
  • 5 2
 I hope SRAM will bring the Lyrik out in 26 inch wheel size next.
  • 1 0
 @g-42 I'm with you. I've been riding a 1x10 with OneUp 42 rear cog for 2 years and had no problems at all to date. I've never been searching for a gear that wasn't there, but my new bike is a 1x11 and I look forward to giving it a go.
  • 2 1
 @sino428 The way in which they will add 12-13 speeds in the future is by increasing the freehub length. This will require increasing the rear hub width. So 148mm boost may seem bad but it is only the first step on the road to 151super boost,155mega boost, etc hubs. I find it strange that Sram still hasn't made a cassette with a second largest cog bigger than 36T, personally I think the jump from 36 to 42T to be too big!
  • 1 1
 thanks mcgrewk! Beer
  • 1 0
 Interesting thing, 12 and 13 sprockets on the back wheel. So, engineers are going to narrowing the teeth and chain width, or just by using supa-dupa a-bit-changed boost standard, widening space for cassette, to achieve enough room, making the wheel weaker, by narrowing hub flanges? Veeeery interesting, cause it leads to two possibilities:
-new hub and cassette width standard (maybe modified boost hub with XD driver, narrower flanges, and wider room for cassette, causing weaker wheel)
-narrower sprockets and chain width (IMO better option, cause the strength is pulled mostly in one direction; we can have narrower chains, that don't broke every time we throw a leg over our bike)
Some propositions?
  • 1 0
 You're wrong it will be gearbox tech!!! Lol I don't know and neither do you lol
  • 1 0
 @SintraFreeride - I'm not referring to fitting the 12-13 gears on the freehub. I'm talking about chainline. When you add more gears (by increasing the freehub length) you widen the cassette. And with only on chaining up front (in the center) that increases the angle at which the chain has to operate at as you move to the extremes of the rear cassette. As I said, it seems the current 1x11 are approaching the max width right now since on many you can't backpedal in the large cogs without the chain dropping off.

Look at this pic to get an idea of what I am talking about.

res.cloudinary.com/yaffa-publishing/image/upload/fl_keep_iptc,c_fit,w_630/XT%20chainline_8D549350-4C6B-11E5-92220244AC2C042D.jpg
  • 1 0
 @sino428 the width of a 11 speed cassette is the same as a 7, 8, 9 and 10 speed cassette seeing as the freehub length is the same. I believe it was only when they went from 6 to 7 speeds that they increased freehub length (don't quote me on that though). The backpedaling issue may be due to other causes eg: very close space between cogs (which is also the reason more speeds equals faster shifting).

@dzweny If the freehub length along with hub width is increased then you can continue to use 11 speed cog spacing (thus a 12 speed chain will be the same as an 11 speed one, you just add another cog) for 12/13 speeds and maintain the same or even increase the flange width. It will all depend on how wide they go.
  • 1 0
 Gear box is the way to go, however they are way more expensive to mfg and there for the profit margin is much higher on old tech. I think while what is avail now is heavy if gear boxs would take off they would only improve.
  • 1 0
 @SintraFreeride - the cassette width is not the same on the 1x11 setups that use the standard freehub body. The freehub length is the same but the large cogs on the 11-42 cassette are concave so they extend slightly out over the hub and spokes which inceases the overall width of the cassette.
  • 2 0
 @sino428 touché. That was the first time I was out bikegeeked, hehe.
  • 1 0
 @sino428 - is this the case with Shimano's 11-speed cassettes? And Sram will do this with the 12-speed one, it wasn't this case with the present Sram 11s. That's what i figured out till now from the fastly-removed official pics and the rumors around the globe. Smile
As for the widening of the driver body to accomodate a wider cassette - even if so, the problem with the chainline would still exist. the chain will still get very twisted.
  • 1 0
 @hitarpotar - yea I assume something has to give in terms of chain line. Maybe they can narrow the gigs and chains? I have no idea. I just know there is a limit to how much of and angle current cassettes and chains can efficiently run at, and it seems with 1x11 we are already approaching that limit. That's why I'm curious to see how they address it if and when 12-13 speeds hit the market.
  • 1 0
 1x11 only APPROACHING the limits? So, it's not yet on the limit? So, there is some little space left for them to play with, and 1x12 is probably exactly this. I am curious as well. If they pull it off as best as possible, it would be a major blow in Shimano's face! Smile
  • 1 0
 Well I don't know about everyone else's personal setups but for me, its at the limit. When I backpedal in the largest cog my chain drops, and if I space the ring in enough to stop that from happening then the drivetrain doesn't run properly in the smallest cogs. So for me, on my bike, any wider of a chainline would likely be a no go. Any jump to 12 or 13 would have to be squeezed into the same overall width.
  • 1 0
 I fail to see how adding another cog will make our drivetrains any better. Is this why they left the gap between the second largest cog and the largest cog at 8T (36 to 42T), thereby justifying the 12 cog which will be a 39T? It is not the number of gears but the spread that matters folks!
  • 1 0
 @SintraFreeride Ummm, i really can't understand what you mean. First, the gap between a 36t and a 42t is only 6t, not 8t. And secod, what is this 12th cog which will be 39t? 6t gap between first and second gear is a very normal gap. Smile
  • 1 1
 Even my 8 speed Altus (11-34) cassette has a 6T jump from 28 to 34. No problem for my drive train from 2004.
  • 1 0
 @hitarpotar and @ Mattin Yeah 6T not 8T. When Sram & Shimano went from 9 to 10 speeds they increased the largest cog from 34 to 36T. Then to 40/42T when they went to 11speed. Having a look at their 11 speed cassettes it seems they just added the big cog to an existing 10 speed cassette (ratios wise). Generally the jump from 2nd largest to largest cog is 4T (5T in shimano 11speed). Which is why I think the 12 speed will add a 39T between the 36 and 42T unless of course they decide to go bigger...
  • 1 1
 SRAM 12 speed is going to be 10-50
  • 1 0
 No reason to make such a small gap between 1st and 2nd. A 50t is more logical - as bigger as the cogs get, the smaller the gap for you as a feeling becomes (meaning: a 6t difference between 36t and 42t is the same for you as, for an example, a 2t difference between 11t and 13t). So, a 8t difference between even bigger cogs will be almost exactly the same as the gap between 36t and 42t. Smile
  • 1 0
 I can feel a more than 4T difference. But you guys might be right and it might be 50T. I think slowly but surely we are approaching the ridiculous bike www.pinkbike.com/news/ridiculous-bikes-roost-carbon-2015.html
  • 1 1
 Its not something we guess, its in Srams official press release that the 12sp cassette will be 10-50
  • 1 0
 @Mattin What official press release? When did that come out?
  • 1 1
 My bad, just checked andnothing has officially been confirmed yet. Looks like a leak that's true though.
  • 1 0
 Yeah, the leak that started all the gossip about it. There were even some pics, although what you see on them looks just like a pimped-out version of the X01. But it says it's a 12-speed group, with a 10-50t range cassette. Smile
  • 104 4
 Razz

2014: 1x11... now for the masses!
2015: 1x11... now for the other masses!
2016: 1x11... now for the other other masses?

The same sales pitch on three different products now.
  • 44 0
 12 speed will be announced end of march, so this will be the last of this wave of 'innovation'
  • 21 1
 It's a clever concept. You roll out the lines with enough space that you fully saturate each market. If they all came out at once would as many buy XX1? Definitely not. So they wait long enough for everyone who is going to buy the line does.. sales start to fall off, come out with the lower priced spec. Repeat.
  • 12 0
 At least it IS getting cheaper and cheaper. Or at least it left the obscenely expensive level and reached a quite affordable one
  • 20 2
 i bought a ful XO1 set up in december taking advantage of all of the online discounts and voucher codes across various big online retailers and i got it for about 60% of originial RRP. This kit is what, 3kg + just on drivetrain!? it may be cheap but its not innovative and its far too heavy to be a realistic option for most riders. 550g cassette! No thanks!
  • 8 0
 I agree. I fell like this tries a little too hard to just get you to 1x11 no matter the weight and performance penalty...
  • 4 2
 Next up: 1x12 with the same 10-42 range as SRAM 1x11. They figured out they can get 11 speeds on an 11-42 cassette without the XD driver, so now use the XD driver to get 12 speeds on 10-42. Totally unnecessary, but we know how the bike industry works. "But this one goes to 12!!"
  • 16 0
 combine that with a shimano triple front... 36 speeeeeddddssssss.
  • 20 0
 But this NX groupo is not simply for the masses, this is for the unwashed, its not for dentists, its for people with no teeth...
  • 4 2
 You're wrong skelldify. Sram 12sp will have a 10-50T range (fact)
  • 14 0
 At what point do we just make the entire real wheel a cassette ? @Mattin
  • 8 2
 I think 10-50 is where it will stop, as it reaches pretty much the same gear range as a triple ring set up with old school 11-32T cassette. Until the 12 sp gets released, riding a 1x set up always means you will have to sacrifice gear range.

Also what looks weird is what we're not used to. Back in the days no one could imagine riding 203mm discs on a bike or riding fullies with 150mm suspension on XC trails and be happy with it. The world is changing, better get used to it.

Also, I'm sure even that even a 10-50T cassette still looks better than having three rings up front, with the dérailleur, with the ugly cable, and that useless shifter on your handlebars. Also I always choose performance over looks.
  • 6 3
 Is having a front mech really so inconvenient that people would rather use a 10-50T cassette? For sure that setup is way heavier than a 2*10. At some point there will be the need for a bashguard to protect the larger sprockets!
  • 6 1
 Holy crap, there's nothing I can't ride with a 32/42 gearing, and I almost never even use the 42t cog. I also rarely use the 10t. Are people riding roads on these bikes??
  • 2 0
 @DARKSTAR63 this is how things work across many industries. The R & D is usually done to create the next latest and greatest. Which then trickles down to the more cost effective lines over time. I'm not saying SRAM isn't being strategic about their releases, but this is a fairly standard and understandable pattern.
  • 4 2
 I don't think a 32/42 would be enough for me; hence, I ride a double, which I would not exchange for a 5-75 cassette!
  • 5 1
 You are extremely overrating your current gear range Santoman. If you ride 24 and 36 up front and an 11-32 cassette in the back, you will have the exact same gear range as with a 32 up single ring up front and 10-50 cassette in the back.
  • 4 2
 @santoman: about your earlier comment. Compare a 10sp XT cassette to an 11 speed XT cassette, and you'll see it is only 80g heavier. Narrower chain means you will save some weight there, so gooping from a 10 speed 1x non-wide range set up to an 11 speed 1x wide range set up will make your bike about 60g heavier.

In what world do you think a front shifter, front derailleur, cables and a small chain ring are lighter than 60g?

Double ring will always be heavier, extra maintenance, extra money thrown away for nothing and extra dropping chains.


Also about the bash guard, it is actually the double ring set up where you will use a bigger front chain ring as the biggest one.
Usually double ring set ups are 22-36, where single ring set ups are 32T. So your bash ring adding weight theory is nonsense as well.
  • 3 2
 I love SRAM. Literally JUST bought the GX group. I am on a budget now being older and it stinks that this is coming out now. Weight and other issues aside, I don't throw money around anymore. I really wish the bike industry would slow down. Don't need the newest but it's kind of a shell game now.
  • 2 8
flag santoman (Feb 11, 2016 at 15:05) (Below Threshold)
 @Mattin I think you have to work on your reading skills, bud. I said that I thought a 1*12 setup with a 10-50 cassette would be heavier than a 2*10 one; thus, comparing weights between 2*10 and 1*11 setups to argue against my statement seems illogical to me. Now, if we are going the way of guessing, my point does not sound too far fetched to me. Lets see: I get rid of my 22T chainring and replace it with, say 42T and 50T sprockets. I use a 34T chainring, which I guess I would keep if my largest sprocket were a 50T, so no change there. I would throw in some sort of guide as well. For sure that is a significant weight gain. Would it be offset by ditching the front mech, the shifter and the cable? I have no idea, but your 60g approximation is, I believe, way off. Now, regarding the bash guard comment, I wrote "At some point there will be the need for a bashguard to protect the larger sprockets", the key word being "sprockets". It was supposed to be ironic and had nothing to to with weight but with the fact that a 50T largest sporcket is ridiculously large.
  • 4 2
 Don't buy sram then... Shimano moves at a much slower pace and their gear is a better long term investment. Plus XT costs less than GX in the first place.
  • 5 0
 Ha ha 50 tooth?!?!
The derailleurs gonna be dragging on the floor!!!
  • 1 0
 @Double-Dee Of course. I'm not criticizing the practice. Merely pointing out why they do it like this.
  • 65 4
 Best thing about it is the lack of need for an XD driver. That's the big hold up with their stuff now, it's just not worth it. But at this price point, and without the need to change hubs (or at the very least driver body), this makes much more sense.

I'll still be on Shimano, but I've got to commend Sram here, nice job.
  • 29 0
 shimano xt 11-42 cassette is 433 grams and just about the same price as sram's 538 gram entry level cassette. i see no need for buying this sram cassette/chain...
  • 6 0
 @ccolagio That is an interesting point.
  • 5 0
 Oh yeah, I think the XT stuff is a better value. It will likely preform better, and the price increase is relatively marginal. If I was to choose between this and 11 spd XT, I'd definitely go Shimano. But, I think it's still a nice option for those who perfer Sram, and don't have the bank for GX. Some people just prefer Sram, ya know?

Hell I just strapped on a Zee SS + 11-34 SLX + 32T RF WN 10 speed system on both my trail and AM bike (I can still call my 6" bike AM, right? Or must I refer to it as enduro now lol), so I won't be making a leap to 11 speed anytime soon... so really it's moot for me personally.
  • 1 0
 Does anybody make an XD driver for Hope Pro 2's?
Otherwise I might give this a go or the XT.
  • 2 0
 Ahhhhhh Yeah.... Hope have their own! Big Grin
  • 2 0
 Search Hope XD freehub... JensonUSA have them...
  • 1 0
 @SGTMASON
Thanks!
Wait....on sale 20% off and still $87?
Nope. Not worth it to go from a 11t to a 10t.
  • 3 0
 Haha! No worries... Big Grin
  • 56 3
 Just wait for the next SLX groupset.
  • 6 2
 @CeeJayTheAwesome You can see the future, well spotted!
  • 6 1
 Can't wait for it... SLX is THE best. I have GX on my Bronson and am already looking towards Shimano.
  • 2 0
 @tlilly why are you not satisfied with gx? I use it without any problems, but with shimano cassete
  • 2 0
 @JoaoAM I'm not saying it's rubbish, it's quite good. But I would prefer XT (or SLX). I have a Shimano bias as I've always used their stuff and find it easier to work with, maybe just because of familiarity.. The GX group is pretty great for it's price.
  • 2 0
 A few weeks ago I was undecided about XT or GX, I went for a mix of them, cranks gx 1400, cause I can remove the spider, cassete shimano 11-42T, shifter and deraillure gx, and shimano chain, from the group m8000 xt. I went for this cause this was the cheaper way. I Am really enjoying this groupset, but I came from a 3x10 SLX 2012, there's no comparation too.
  • 2 0
 SLX 11 speed definitely being worked on in Japan right now
  • 54 6
 Everyone was bummed that XT doesn't have a 10t. But THIS is revolutionary..... here let me top off your glass of Kool-Aid...
  • 19 1
 Different expectations. As Shimano's second from top group, XT's performance is more likely to be scrutinized. With NX, it's all about price. What's interesting though is that XT is priced more like SRAM's lower-end 11 speed groups.
  • 16 2
 Even though XT is Shimano's second from top, it is priced aggressively. Making it a strong value imo. The lack of 10t is non-issue to me, I plan on running a 34t when ultimately switch to 1x11, but that's neither here nor there. I like that Shimano doesn't mess around, they have two groups to SRAM's what 4? I can't even keep track.
  • 10 0
 @DARKSTAR63 5... its 5 now. ridiculous. XX1, X01, X1, GX, NX.
  • 25 1
 2002 called and wants its gear indicator back...
  • 2 1
 @Quinn-39 and soon bullshX!
  • 3 2
 @DARKSTAR63 @Quinn-39 I'm a bit confused, lets see XTR (not to mention Di2), XT, SLX, Deore, Saint and Zee. A few more than two.
  • 1 0
 @Momentus I'm talking about 1x11 specifically. If I include all of SRAM's offerings there are obviously many more.
  • 1 0
 @momentus what the f*ck are you on about?! Since when have zee, saint, SLX, Deore or a electronic moniker been introduced as brand new 11 speed options meant to make the whole deal more affordable. Read before your write.
  • 42 3
 538 grams for the cassette ha ha ha ha ha.
  • 7 2
 How is this thing so heavy, I ride a cheap 10sp cassette and it's under 350g. It's got the 6 extra teeth at the big end but still...
  • 8 1
 Maybe buy the Sunrace cassette instead?
  • 2 0
 Ah, maybe that one's 10 speed only?
  • 7 0
 I don't care if the cassette is non-XD, the thing weighs as much as a dropper post. I'll stick with my X01 cassette, and move to GX when it wears out.
  • 4 1
 @WasatchEnduro they do the MX8 for 11 speeders
  • 14 0
 Just run this NX grouppo with the new XT 11-42 cassette if you want at 433 grams. We have options now, life is good.
  • 1 1
 rear mech is heavy too
  • 35 2
 Looks like no mention of Boost... OK, I approve the contents of this article.
  • 6 2
 One of the chain line spacing is boost specific
  • 3 0
 Is Boost PinkBike approved?
  • 37 4
 Too bad XT is 10 times better for only $100 more.
  • 25 4
 Pretty much, I don't understand how you can still be a sram fan these days when shimano is pumping out better product at a fraction of the cost. XT and Zee have been some next level shit. The shimano clutch assembly is miles ahead.
  • 13 6
 For the simple reason that Sram is more core imo. I love my Shimano stuff but sram just leaves a warm fuzzy feeling in my heart that I will always have a bike with some sram on it. Plus I think you guys are comparing XT to the wrong sram group. I would say that x1 and xt are the most similar, and I would take x1 any day over xt.
  • 3 2
 I find Sram stuff much easier to work on... For that reason alone, I will always stick with using a Sram drive-train.
  • 3 0
 +1 for zee, I've done my best to kill it but it refuses to die, as for SRAM, ya gotta give them
Points for trying..
Well maybe one point and a pat on the back..
  • 9 1
 Sram has great top of the line component offerings, but shimano follows through with the full range. If your not getting high end sram, your getting the biggest piece of useless shit ever produced. Whereas Shimano, you can rock a mid range component groupo and still get good value.

@SGTMASON , I've been working at a bike shop for ages, one thing I can say is that most of the sram derailleurs and shifters go right in the trash when they wear out, but most of the customers with dated shimano stuff just put on a new set of tacx pulley wheels and spray some triflow in the shifters and your good to go for another 10 years... in addition, sram suspension is a joke to work on compared to fox and x fusion. everything is mega cheap plastic, its build well for the application and functions very acceptably, but when it wears, its plastic, and its time for the trash. tracking down parts for your old moCo damper is impossible on a 3 year old fork. I still rebuild and replace parts on fox forks from 2005, can retrofit just about anything, and the only thing that wears are seals and o rings.
  • 1 0
 Each to their own mate...
I've not worked in a bike shop myself but I've built 8 bikes of my own up over the last half decade and have found Sram drivetrain stuff to be easy to work with, easy to set-up and it runs sweet as a nut! Wink
Never cheaped out on the lowest end of the market stuff though...

Forks and shocks I'd personally leave to places like MOJO etc here, when its in need of servicing...
Got both Fox and Rockshox suspension components and both work pretty much on par I've found.
Couldn't tell yah about their servicing traits...

Not planning on running the same drivetrain components for the next 20 years either mind! Big Grin
  • 22 0
 "the cassette will fit on a standard freehub body." I need these type of standards in my life!
  • 21 0
 IDK I'm not a big fan of having to buy the XD driver but once you have one, the interface is so nice it makes a lot of sense. I hate how the smaller cogs always chew the shit out of aluminum freehub bodies. I've had freehubs that are totally trashed and have needed to be filed down to get cogs on and off.
  • 15 0
 Yeah, I've fully converted to XD drivers on all of my bikes. It's just a better design, so much less wear and tear than a standard hub.
  • 8 1
 @maxlombardy Remember when Shimano introduced the tall splines on the 7800 DA stuff, to avoid the cassettes getting chewed up?

But, no one liked it because they had to change out hubs/upgrade to 10 speed (when 9 was all the rage), so Shimano scrapped it, and moved forward with the old design? Isn't it funny how cyclical (pun intended) these things are?
  • 2 0
 You don't need an XD driver because there isn't a 10-tooth cog. Pros/cons.....
  • 2 0
 what happens when the cassette freezes onto the XD threads?
  • 3 0
 The same thing that would happen on a normal hub- you bonk it off with a mallet, and you only have to do it once. That being said, XD driver has a way bigger bearing area, like 2x or 3x the size of a standard hub, so your chances of the cassette seizing onto the splines are much lower.
  • 16 0
 There's a 400g, 70$ Sunrace 11-42 cassette that fits a standard freehub and is getting great reviews.

brokenspokebike.myshopify.com/products/sunrace-mx8-11-speed-wide-range-cassette
  • 3 0
 Using one right now on an AM hardtail. It's 448 grams for the steel 11-42 10speed cog and these also come in black (if you can find them). There is an allow version which weighs at a svelte 389g.

Shifting is great so far, I can even backpedal a bit on the 42t. The best part is that it's steel and I know it'll last for more than a year.
  • 2 0
 @Verbl-Kint: I realize this is old, but Im currently toying with my options. to XD Drive or not...
I have the XG 11spd cassette and want a cheap set of wheels with cheaper tyres for riding with the wife. Did you need to do any adjustments/fine tuning when you switched to the Sunrace? I basically want to be able to swap out wheels, but dont want to mess around with my gears being out of adjustment everytime I swap bak and forth between my Trail wheels and cruise wheels.
I hope that makes sense? In my mind it should all line up fine... but ya never know...
Thanks in advance.
  • 1 0
 @WRXJim: I switched to the Sunrace from an old Shimano SLX 11-36 10sp cog. I can imagine possible issues if you're using a Sunrace 10sp cog with an 11sp shifter.
  • 13 0
 Choice is a good thing - some peeps like SRAM (Me) some like Shimano..........gives people some options at a cheaper price point. Cool thing is I can now upgrade my kids bike to 1x11 using spare bits without changing the wheel set!
  • 15 0
 Anyone notice the cranks are available in 155mm, great for kids bikes. Decent weight for a more affordable crank option.
  • 4 5
 I'm 6' and I run 155mm cranks on all my bikes. Not just for kids.
  • 6 0
 @xpeppyx
Any particular reasons?
Genuinely interested!
  • 2 0
 Less pedal strikes. Canfield Brothers have been making 155mm cranks for a couple of years now. They just make sense since so many of the D.H. bikes are getting so slack and low to the ground.
  • 2 0
 I hit my pedals a lot more on my trail bike vs the DH. I think because the trail bike you are actually pedaling more often than on a DH.
  • 1 1
 I guess it all depends on what trails you are riding and how aggressive you ride them.
  • 2 0
 Having the shorter cranks allows me to keep pedaling on steep technical climbs. Less pedal strikes and no actual loss in power. First ride it seems a little strange, but after that you get used to it and it becomes normal. I have the Canfield cranks on my Yelli Screamy and my Balance.
  • 17 4
 Good bye dual chain rings.
  • 3 0
 Based On A Tru Story ... 2 Chainz
  • 5 2
 Unless you actually ride in the mountains
  • 1 0
 Do the math and you'll find that a 1x drivetrain with a 10-50 cassette will have the exact same gear ratio as a double ring drive train with a 11-32 cassette.
  • 4 0
 Currently most 1X setups are a compromise. Not low enough to climb real mountains (unless your bike weighs 25lbs and you are very fit) or not high enough for the DH. But a 50 i guess covers it. But putting more weight out on the rear wheel is not something i want to do.

To Pinion or not to Pinion? At least the weight would be central and low.
  • 2 1
 @Mattin -- I think the article said this was 11-42T cassette...what's this 10-50 talk got to do with anything?
  • 1 0
 Preston said he thought he needs double ring in the front. Then I said he doesn't need it because 10-50 cassettes are coming and he'll have the exact same range.
  • 2 0
 I get that, but to say "he doesn't *need* a double because some time in the future a single-ring system will be released that matches the range of a double" doesn't really help him all that much *today;* it's like saying my truck doesn't need fuel because electric trucks are coming...

Never mind that the forthcoming system is going to cost something like $2000 and is probably only compatible with XD drivers, Boosted spacing, and some other unannounced "standard" integrated carbon wheel/frame system that must be replaced as a complete unit any time the rear tire needs air.
  • 1 0
 For some reason I thought the 12 speed was going to hit the market this season, but I now see it is only next year indeed.

In that case double still has a wider range now. Wide enough for me, but i can see situations where isn't not wide enough yet (if you have super long steep climbs, and also want to keep pedaling down the hill while going 50km/h to accelerate even faster).

But I do think once 12 speed has been released, that companies such as Praxis and SunRace will hop on the cassette game and create a 11-50 or 11-52 that doesn't need XD. Or worst case a hub with the same spacing, only the right flange being inwards an extra mm.
  • 3 0
 Even with a 50t, I would still have to run a 26 or 28t front on a 29'er, which means you still don't have any top end.So it would still be a compromise.

Another aspect of 1* drivetrains isyou may be able to reach a low enough gear, but that's all you have, and the next gear up is too big of a step for gnarly climbing. Whereas with a 22 up front I really have 3 good climbing gears before I"m back into middle ring range.

The thing I don't really get about 1* is you are compromising something extremely important - gear range, ie your ability to master all terrain - for what ? 3/4 of a lb ? And it "simplifies the bike". To me it would be like taking off the front brake to "save weight and simplify the bike".

I'm happy for people to ride what they like I just hate to see all these frames coming out with no FD mount.
  • 1 0
 Lets look at a 27.5 mtb with double ring and a normal 11-32 cassette. Heaviest gear is 36/11= 3.27.
Lightest gear is 24/32 = 0.75

Now let's look at a 27.5 MTB with a 1x12 and 36 ring. Heaviest gear is 36/10 = 3.6 (so quite a bit heavier than with double ring).
Lightest gear is 36/50 = 0.72, so still lighter than your double ring set up.


I can't believe how everyone is simply assuming stuff and then say it out loud is if it would be a fact.
  • 1 0
 I guess you have never ridden a 1x set up?

Your comparison to taking the front wheel off is unfair since that has big effect on the performance. This is rather like taking the Dynamo and mud shields off.

Other good examples of simpler bikes which can be more fun in certain circumstances are hard tails, or to ride a track bike (fixed gear hub) on the roads instead of a road bike. It's not something you can explain, but it is actually more fun. You just have to experience it to know what they are talking about.
  • 10 2
 Two great things about this...a really cheap SRAM crank (maybe the cheapest way to get X-sync?), and finally an economical option at the cassette for the SRAM fan that wants to get into 1x11 but doesn't have $300 to spend on a cassette and XD driver or new wheelset.

I think the groupset altogether is nothing special, but it does really open up options for guys that want to stick with SRAM...the NX cassette could be combined with any other level parts...making even a mostly-XX1 drivetrain alot cheaper.

Good stuff.
  • 10 0
 Is that cassette made out of lead? Jesus that's pig heavy. The XT cassette about the same price is way lighter.
  • 8 0
 A rumor has it that Shimano is going to speculate on pricing on Shimano XT 8000, XTR 9000 and Di2. Certain components can drop up to 40% in Europe... this is to SRAM: Chopin's Funeral March...
  • 1 0
 If so, DI2 with Synchro shift here I come. That's an amazing product.
  • 8 0
 In Germany you can buy a full XT 11 speed Group for 299€. If the realworld price of the NX does not drop down near to 200€ , i dont see why you should not go with the xt.
  • 2 0
 It probably will. We're comparing online discount prices (current models) vs. full retail prices (for parts that haven't been released yet).
  • 9 2
 540g cassette?!! at that weight just run a smaller 250g 11-32 cassette, with a 2x system and you've got more range and less unsprung weight and wayyy more money in the bank. This 1x craze is getting stupid.
  • 5 2
 I am with you on that. With 1x I get bad chain lines, sloppy shifting, crappy chain wrap, and accelerated wear on the alloy chain rings. As you said, it adds to unsprung weight and it is also expensive. 1x looks great but there are so many downsides people are totally ignoring. I feel like I am taking crazy pills.
  • 5 0
 Totally agree this is getting out of hand. I ask a few friends if they notice the chainline when in extreme gears and they say no. They just may not be paying attention. my first protoype i built had an idle gear so that acted like a 1X setup. There were a few times before i had it adjusted right that i could feel the bad chainline climbing and that was just with an 11t idler. You really increase the side load when you have like a 32 front and 50 rear because the distance between your front and back gears gets pretty short.
  • 2 0
 Hear hear totally agree.
  • 1 0
 Running XX1, and having a great go of it on my Devinci Atlas, Running 2x10 on my Bronson.
  • 1 0
 Sure, compare a super light weight cassette to a cheap budget cassette. That should be fair.... NOT.

That's like saying "this €400 hard tail complete weighs more than my €6000 carbon full suspension bike. Then what's the point in riding a hard tail?"

If you compare oranges to oranges, 11sp XT cassette only weighs 80g more than the 10sp XT cassette. Actual weight difference will be smaller because of the narrower chain that will be lighter.
  • 10 1
 Just bought an XD hub. Funk me right !?
  • 5 1
 Yup. Especially since there are other options besides this that have been around for a while
  • 17 0
 Nah. The GX isn't much more expensive and you get the 10 cog. And if you're balling you can get the stupid light cassette too. 250g is a lot of weight especially when you hit a certain point where it cost nearly 1k to lose 400g. Talking about bicycle weight here not narcotics......
  • 2 0
 I'll give you 10€ for it Smile Smile
  • 1 0
 That's a good deal @QuebecPoulin, you stand to make at least $11 depending on the bureau de change.
  • 2 0
 No. You're better off. Now you can get the good stuff.
  • 2 1
 Its the opposite QP - you can now use the XD hub and an 1150 cassette to get the 10-42 range (the game changing bit) with NX. So your replacement part cost other than the cassette just went down alot. Thats the big deal with NX for sure. Its like the old deore vs XT on 10 spd. You could buy more XT when you bust it, but deore was fundamentally as good only heavier. the GX/X1/X01 groups now have that option too.
  • 7 0
 Since when 79USD == 89EUR?

X-rates.com gives me:

79USD == 69EUR.

So it is compatible with standard 10speed hubs then? If so, champagne!
  • 6 0
 the pricing is way cheaper in the US. always is regardless of currency conversion
  • 3 0
 US pricing doesn't include sales tax plus we pay a lot of import duties. It is still a little more over here but that makes up most of the difference.
  • 3 0
 US price is without VAT. When you add 19% (German) VAT the difference is not so big.
  • 2 1
 Your website sounds like porn.
  • 1 0
 But indeed, include shipping and import taxes, and it will cost a lot more over here in Europe
  • 3 0
 @Mattin: Why should it be cheaper to ship the stuff from Taiwan to the US than from Taiwan to Europe?
  • 5 0
 So everyone will go 1x11, then next month they'll announce the 1x12 drivetrain....

Sorry SRAM but Shimano got my money already on 1x11. Not really interested in a X5/X7 level components, they should have made the GX at this pricepoint considering what's coming in the future.
  • 1 0
 Comments on this article crack me up. I could have made this response to almost any thread in here, but: this groupset isn't for us. It's for giant (wink wink, nudge nudge) bike brands trying to spec out their $500 hardtails.
  • 1 1
 I don't see the bottom end bikes going to 1x11 yet. For what a beginner biker rides (bike paths, highly groomed trails)and their typical fitness, you need the range of 2 or 3 rings up front IMO.
  • 3 0
 @groghunter
you are not going to see this stuff show up on $500 hardtails, $1000.00 for sure but not down that low. Agreed though that this is an OEM group set- no real value for aftermarket
  • 1 0
 I may have exagerated slightly, but if nothing else, it makes it harder to justify designing any mainstream bike with suspension that doesn't optimize for a 1x drivetrain. Which I suspect is part of the idea, since 1x allows a lot more freedom for main pivot placement, & has some very positive effects on single pivots designed around it, which just so happens to be one of the cheapest suspension designs to manufacture. I'm sure there were some brands clamoring for a group that lets them spec 1x at every trim level, so that they were no longer stuck optimizing their suspension for the 2x they only sold on the base spec.

Although, i still think you'll see this on bikes cheaper than $1000: it's retail cost is somewhere between $60-$90 more than a deore drivetrain, which you do see on entry level hard tails. & SRAM has been eating Shimano's lunch in the OEM market precisely because they've been more competitive with pricing, so I'd bet they're even closer at OEM pricing, & that if you buy in enough bulk, like Giant for instance, they'd get you under deore pricing to get your business.
  • 7 0
 With all the money I will save on NX, I can now spend on re-tuning my air shock to handle the added unsprung weight on my rear wheel
  • 2 1
 I upvoted you because of your user name!
  • 5 0
 I haven't read through all the posts, and it may have already beeen said, but to me the real strength of this group for SRAM will be on the OEM side. Currently, the value model bikes (Giant Reign 2 is a prime example) come with a lower spec 2x10 (Deore/SLX mix on my particular bike) that doesn't really fit the bikes intention all that well. Giving the manufacturers the ability to spec a true 1x11 setup at a very low cost will be a huge gain for the consumer, who now currently has to choose between an entire new drivetrain or using a fiddly 42 tooth add-on cog if they want a 1x setup.

I feel like the last few years have been a race to the most expensive setups, and I welcome some momentum from manufacturers to offer better lower end components. Great job here SRAM (and Shimano on keeping the cost of XT reasonable).
  • 5 0
 I would use this in a heartbeat. Unfortunately though most of my $ goes to supporting a family of 4 on a single income.

I'm still on the "dinosaur " age with my 2x9 set up. Amazingly I can still climb and descend just as good as my buds with 1x11.
  • 2 0
 Who knew! I still run a 9 speed on the DH rig. Only use the smallest 4 gears, maybe 5 for a quick little up slope in a trail.
  • 2 0
 I still run 2x9, why fix if if it ain't broke.
  • 2 0
 Yep. For me 1X setup is too much of a compromise. I need the lower climbing gear so that i have enough leg strength to bomb it DH. Can't get that with a 1X setup. I manually switch my front rings and made my own chainguide to accomodate that allowance. I will post a video up of it in the coming days.
  • 2 0
 My only real issue with a 2x10 setup was the chain just wouldn't stay on, that was my reason for ditching the front mech
  • 2 0
 I actually have 1x8 on my hard tail. It motivates me to ride more.
  • 2 0
 I will posting a video up in a few days of the chainguide we have on our DH bike. I made a similar one years ago to work on my specialized sx trail and my TR450. Never dropped a chain. Manually switched to the granny gear to climb up.
  • 2 0
 I'm on 2x9 as well. The front mech with a trigger shifter is a pain as it never really goes where you want it to be. So I use the front mech with a grip shift and the rear mech with a trigger shifter. The gripshift (I've got Xo and X9 left hand gripshifters on my bikes) has nine positions so you just whack it in about the right space and you're fine. If it isn't in the right spot, adjust it a little. Nine positions for only two front rings, at least some position should be fine. It is like a top guide without a bottom guide. If the chain drops, you can lift it back in place simply pedaling forwards and encouraging with the shifter. If you don't want to accidentally shift, just don't grip the shifter (so make sure your grips are wide enough so that you can move your hands outboard). I brake with the middle finger so I run my brakes a bit more outboard than someone would who uses the index finger for braking. I prefer the middle finger as this allows me to retain a wider more stable grasp on my handlebar even whilst braking.

So yeah, it is not for everyone. But I think the dual front ring setup got a bad name mainly because most people use trigger type shifters and it just doesn't work well with that.

Most of the time I spend on the (previously) middle ring so that's a 9 euro steel Deore ring that lasts a while and as long as I don't use the front shifter it is just that, a bike with a single front ring and a top guide. The granny is there whenever I need it. So yeah, I've got more weight near the bottom bracket and less near the rear hub. I'm in no rush to turn it the other way around.
  • 2 0
 vinay. Sounds complicated but whatever works. I never had much luck with the sram front mech, I use a shimano, everything else is sram including my xo trigger shifters which have always worked flawlessly.
  • 2 0
 Steve, the DMR Switchback (their XC bike with their old Trailstar geometry) has a bottom swing Shimano Deore LX front mech. The Cannondale Prophet was their bottom end model as I swapped most of the stuff right away but it still has the original E-type front mech. I don't know what kind exactly but I believe it is from Shimano as well. I don't have experience with SRAM front mechs actually. But yeah I run these Shimano front mechs with SRAM gripshift, works fine. I would never want a trigger shifter for the front mech though, as I mentioned above.

I don't think it is complicated really but my explanation might be complicated as I threw a lot of slightly related stuff in there, like my brake setup. Look at it this way. You're only on one front ring at a time. The front mech is basically a top guide that can be adjusted for each of them. You just don't want the top guide in the wrong place which is where trigger front shifters fail to deliver.
  • 4 0
 This is good stuff. Its always good when the newest technology trickles down the line. But I just think its kind of funny that everyone is creaming themselves over this somewhat entry level group set simply because its 1x11, when I'd imagine many of the same people probably would have thumbed their nose at putting X5 or X7 level components on their bikes 4-5 years ago.
  • 9 1
 538 Grams?
Thats a block of steel!
  • 1 0
 yes, yes it is... pot steel likely
  • 7 0
 Wait GX was released for this reason...... So is this an even more affordable version of GX?
  • 1 0
 More affordable and doesn't require the XD Driver
  • 6 1
 Now they just to make it not fall to bits like the rest of their stuff and we're winning.

(i had an x9 supershort cage rear mech from 2005 until i sold the bike in 2011 so i know they can do it!)
  • 2 0
 I've seen a few of those pinned cassettes explode around here, it ain't pretty the mess it makes
  • 5 0
 Looks as cheap and nasty as the price suggests, heavy too....i'll be putting XT 11-speed on my next build, the Shimano stuff is nearly as cheap but far far better quality than SRAM's nasty GX and NX stuff.
  • 5 0
 i would legitimately appreciate if pinkbike made a comparison chart with all the 11sp offerings to compare against each other. if someone knows if something like this already exists link would be awesome.
  • 1 0
 There is an app "gear calculator" that is pretty intuitive to use. You can make charts to compare, but that takes time of entering gear numbers.
  • 5 0
 Quick comparison.....NX US$300, 1,988 grams v. SLX (2x9) US$245, 1,845g. Boring 10 minutes spent doing that, so going to go ride now, don't even care what my drivetrain is, shifts great has all the range I need and more!
  • 1 0
 Yep, the elephant in the room. 11-42T cassette that weighs so much it is a better idea to run a traditional 2x10 setup... looks like we've come full circle.
HEAVIEST CASSETTE OF ALL TIME??
  • 4 1
 Sure is hard to please these people. No XD Driver and impressively cheap are win win's in my book. I've been running a 1x10 with a OneUp 42 tooth that has been working fine, but I'm sure this will be smoother and give you an extra gear, all for a VERY reasonable price without replacing the wheels.
  • 3 1
 Good move by Sram for sure, glad to hear it. But until I hear they've upped their game I'd rather pay a bit more for Shimano. My last x9 set up lasted maybe a season and then just kinda went shitty. Bought an XT set and that shifter was the best!
  • 5 2
 Looks cheap and heavy. Looks like Sram tried to catch up with Shimano. Looks like they did try but not hard enough and fu..ed this up. Looks like I will be staying with Shimano gearing no matter what.

BOOOOOst! Wink
  • 5 0
 That video is unbearable. Maybe it's just a British aversion to American cheese ad' style
  • 2 0
 ..."By eliminating unwanted chain movement, X-Horizon shifts faster, puts an end to ghost shifting and reduces shift force and chain slap. And with Cage Lock technology, wheel removal and installation are easier"... Compared to X-7 or X-9?
  • 2 1
 Must say when I first read affordable I was still expecting £600+ but wow £215!!! That's not bad at all might even end up buying that my self. I expect to see this on many bikes in the £500-700 price range in the near future
  • 5 0
 ROLLING THUNDER BEARINGS IN THE GRIP SHIFTER
  • 3 0
 www.bicycleretailer.com/north-america/2016/02/10/shimano-slashes-component-pricing.

You will soon be able to buy XT bits for close to this price.
  • 4 0
 They say lower cost materials then there higher end stuff. What's lower cost then plastic? Cheaper plastic?
  • 2 1
 Its funny hearing all the weight weenies cry about how heavy it is. Look at the price. I'm already over $150 on chain reaction with just an 11spd xt derailleur and cassette. Yeah its heavy but not everyone is an elitist spandex wearing weight weenie. The majority of the people looking at this group set will overlook the weight.
  • 1 0
 Yes but there is heavy, and there is unnecessarily HEAVY.
  • 2 0
 Also if someone is that worried about weight they could get the XT cassette and still get all the other NX parts for a reasonable deal and save themselves that whole 1/4 pound on the rear.
  • 1 0
 Sram always were leaders for me in bike components! But I don't like the new marking of their products... At the beginning there were X1.....X9 and everything were quite clear for me - the more number the better component is! But then there were XX1, X01, X0, XX and the clearness become more difficult (for me). Now NX - series... But What will we (customers) do when the different combinations of letters become really huge? So please dear Sram systematize your components more clear for us and we will buy it with more pleasure!!! I am currently riding X0 cranks...
  • 1 0
 If you just want a 42T on the back, cheapest setup might be:

1. SLX crankset (dual or triple with botto braket): 75EUR www.vrvbike.com/shop/shimano-pedalier-boitier-slx-fc-m675-hollowtech-ii-2x10v-175-mm-26-38.html
2. Superstar 30T ring: 40EUR www.superstarcomponents.com/en/i-o-chainring-narrow-wide-style.htm
3. SLX 10v rear derailler: 43EUR www.vrvbike.com/shop/shimano-derailleur-arriere-vtt-10-v-slx-shadow-plus-rd-m675-sgs.html
4. Zee shifter 10v: 27EUR www.chainreactioncycles.com/be/fr/manette-de-derailleur-vtt-shimano-zee-m640-1x10/rp-prod82432
5. Sunrace 10v 10-42t: 75EUR
6. Chain: 20EUR

Total is around 280EUR.
  • 1 0
 I'd really love to go one week without having to call SRAM about a defective/failed product for warranty replacement. Great customer service but not so great products. That's my honest opinion based on my experience working in a bike shop. Maybe if SRAM spent as much money on engineering as they do on marketing their products might be more reliable.
  • 1 0
 I think this is brilliant .I have sram 1x11 and its the very best drivetrain i have used in 20 years of mountain biking. For sram to make this even more affordable is brilliant. In a world of over priced, over promising components this is a refreshing change .Well done Sram .
  • 1 0
 i noticed that the 94BCD chainring sizes for NX start from 28T, until now, SRAM and also all 3rd party companies has maximum 30T size. i thought 30T is the construction limit. If its not a typo, im in. i have X1-1000 crankset with 94BCD, with 28t and 10-42 combo, it is perfect match for me.
  • 1 0
 I want to know why I cant just get an affordable 11-42 tooth 10 speed cassette? I would like that range without dumping the cost of a whole cassette into a single expander cog. Hopefully after they sell enough 1x11 setups someone will release the 10 speed cassette that makes the jump to 11 speed less appealing.
  • 5 0
 Very creative name
  • 6 0
 Precisely.
It was fairly easy to follow SRAMs groupset hierarchy few years back, and now with this GX and NX business, plus loads of XXXXxXxXXXX stuff I do not know WFT is going on!? Do you?

I prefer consistent Shitmano names.
  • 2 0
 They most likely want it that way. This is useful for oem spec because at a glance its not "oh X7... meh" its "ooooo 1x11"
  • 1 0
 Not so sure about your 'oooo 1x11' statement. Where did you miss 'nx'? ... and what the 'nx' is/means? Smile It does not shout '1x11 !!!'
The X7 or X9 have set the standards, and I wouldn't mind them getting 11sp upgrade, just like the Shitmano kit.
Not that it matters, just saying.
  • 4 1
 Sure there will be some normal SRAM sucks hate on here. But not a bad price.
  • 3 0
 ............and SRAM capitulated. Thank you Shimano. And the winners are, us mountain bikers. :-)
  • 2 1
 With these weights, they aren't really marketing these to people looking for upgrade parts. Most likely these will end up on more entry level bikes being sold to people who don't know the difference.
  • 4 0
 If Apple made mtb adverts.....
  • 1 0
 It is nice to be my training group set! Now I could migrate from Shimano and keep my wheel with shimano's cassete for training (with NX) and just buy a light wheel set for XC faces, with XD cassete!
  • 1 0
 I may not be interested in this group and stick with Shimano but I must remember that if it wasn't for SRAM we would not have the Shimano and SRAM option. So Kudos to SRAM to make Shimano think design and deliver!!
  • 1 0
 Cool! Looks a nicer group than the X-5 stuff they put on many entry level builds. Crankarms all the way down to 155mm so for kids bikes too.
  • 1 0
 It sort of makes you wonder how they can be competive on budget models like this but the higher stuff is way more expensive than shimano. My 2¢
  • 3 0
 Bah, tha's a cynical bunch.
  • 3 1
 Get ready for SRAM fanboys to compare this to XT 12 speed even though it's 1/3 the quality
  • 3 1
 *11 speed
  • 1 0
 At 538 grams for the cassette, the weight saving of 1x11 are gone. Even so, this will be a cheap replacement drivetrain for me.
  • 2 0
 dollars $ --to--> euro €WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 1 1
 pinkbike reviews shimano xt drivetrain... people love it and subsequently complain about SRAM.... couple days later SRAM releases drivetrain that fits on standard freehub. way to go pinkbike!!!!!
  • 2 0
 question... I am riding a 10x11-42 what is the point of going 11? pro's and con's?
  • 1 0
 So you don't need to buy an XD driver and can get away with using your standard shimano freehub
  • 1 0
 I just converted both my geared MTB over to 1x10 (from 1x9) this season. My road bike still has a 2x9 DA drive train. I'm so behind the times!
  • 2 0
 Do you feel like the switch from 1x9 to 1x10 was worthwhile? Genuinely curious...
  • 1 0
 Absolutely, the 10 speed stuff shifts noticeably better, and with the clutch + WN it's really simplified the configuration up front. It's lighter, more accurate, and easier to maintain.

Plus, it's gotten to the point where 10 speed isn't too expensive, for example: I love the value of the Zee RD- works very well, is sturdy, and inexpensive, I've got the same one on both bikes.
  • 1 0
 Is there a real difference in shift quality between NX, GX and higher end groups ?
I ride Enduro, with my level, weight is not my priority.
  • 3 0
 Compared to weight and costs of one up rad cage and 42t cog? No thanks.
  • 1 0
 Bla Bla Bla ,to cheap, to expensive, shit constuction, to high end.Tou Must run the whole group and not mix with inferior part Gwin!
  • 1 0
 I'll believe it when I see it with those retail prices, £11 for a 11 speed chain? Some 8 speed chains retail for more than that.
  • 1 2
 While I fully expect this to be a pile of crap, at least it won't fall apart the way the pinned together XD driver cassette did. As a large and powerful rider, the idea of the XD driver is just ridiculous. Let's take one of the most torqued parts of the bike and give it 1/5 the surface area. Stupid. Also, shimano for life.
  • 1 0
 Biggest draw for me is the derailleur. Now you can get the nx derailleur, a higher grade SRAM shifter, and a shimano xt cassette with any crankset and have a sweet setup.
  • 1 0
 Raceface crankset and oh wait sram doesn't have cheap shifters.
  • 1 0
 This cassette is heavy. For the same price and a weight of 433g you can get an CT m8000 42t cassette that will likely and easily be cross compatible
  • 1 0
 Dear Shimano: Please don't ever stop making your side-pull front derailleurs. They are the perfect answer to greater gear range. Thank you.
  • 8 6
 You might make me a sram believer with this. This is innovation
  • 4 1
 YES!!
  • 1 0
 Stoked about the 155mm crank arms for kids bikes. When's this stuff actually going to be available?
  • 1 0
 And to answer my own question- April apparently.
  • 9 7
 Sram all the way. Sorry Shimano.
  • 3 0
 How do you figure? Spend the same or more to increase the weight and decrease the quality? What are you making this comparison with? The only value in this group is the shifter. Cassette and cranks weigh a ton and $$, cassette is NOT a 10t cog. The Derailleur is X-7/ X-9 quality for SLX price
  • 1 0
 It's all about lever feel and personal preferences. On paper XT seems better (but also more $$$).
  • 8 6
 Where is your god now, SRAM haters?
  • 6 1
 Not SRAM hating, but they did take their sweet ass time bringing it out. Especially when they kept telling us how we all needed their XD cassette body and 10 cog.
  • 15 4
 God's riding XT...
  • 1 0
 But what would Jesus ride?
  • 11 4
 Jesus rides a Specialized 275+ Turbo Levo E-Bike on Di2 with Fox LIVE Valve. God's kid gets the best toys!
  • 1 0
 @north-shore-bike-shop
So SRAM releases a garbage group set with a fashionable spec sheet and we're supposed to be quivering in fear?
  • 3 0
 Jesus still rides a 26". Sorry Waki, i know your disappointed. But we should follow his example.
  • 2 1
 I talked to him yesterday, he rides Specialized 6-Fatty Turbo. Satan rides 26" DJ and Super Satan rides 29+ V10cc. Mary just got one and only McLaren P1 with automatic gearbox. Afterlife is governed by a bunch of pot heads...
  • 1 0
 Now did you write this after you ate the mushrooms?
  • 1 0
 I can't eat mushrooms, I get visions that my arse is Niagara falls or my mouth spits out diced carrots and tomato skins. Play Karaoke from Miley Cyrus "Wrecking Ball" and sing with me: My arse is like a waterfaaaal, when diarrhea hits me hard, all I wanted was to eat that tart, all it ever did was, purged me, yea it, puuuurged me. Then I wake up under some porch in the city center, covered in my own sick
  • 1 0
 More versions means more options means better pricing and more things on sale. The consumer wins. Thank you competition.
  • 1 0
 My thoughts exactly! Want value, SRAM NX, want higher quality, Shimano XT.
  • 1 0
 Please quantify Value vs Quality
  • 1 2
 What sucks is when each brand releases the new system in only their premium group. It pisses people off. Now that there are a bunch of SRAM group levels it will push Shimano to release an SLX level. While they're working on an SLX 11 speed, they'll be forced to admit that M8000 fell more between XT and SLX in quality and performance. So, they'll have to make M8000 better or risk releasing the first sub standard SLX groupset in recent memory. If that happens, they'll lose a metric shit ton of business to SRAM.
  • 2 0
 @jm2e
I don't know what planet you're on but m8000 is on par with or of better quality than the last iteration. That said, SLX is more drivetrain than a majority of the people here will ever need and I'd be fine running that.
  • 3 2
 this looks like a groupset you put on "high end" wallmart bikes, as even my old 9 speed deore set up looks better.
  • 1 0
 well aren't you lucky looks aren't everything
  • 1 0
 Sneaky fuckers making the cassette non xo, I'm changing one bike back to HG but it'll be an XT cassette
  • 2 2
 Damn SRAM you really did a good one on this! The price will be unbeatable and everything looks great! Keep coming out with more affordable goodies please Big Grin
  • 2 0
 this is QUITE awesome Big Grin perfect for your gf too!
  • 1 0
 Yes most definitely!!!
  • 1 0
 If you bought a bike with this on it, you'd be looking to upgrade it pretty quick
  • 2 0
 And here I am still riding 9 speed.
  • 2 0
 No 83mm bottom bracket compatability? Wtf?
  • 1 0
 But does anyone buy a group set with cranks these days??
  • 1 0
 It's an OEM intended groupset for sub $1000 bikes. It'll, be the volume seller in their line up this year.
  • 1 0
 .........................................................fear of integrated gears?
  • 1 0
 Now let's see if this lowers the price on used XX1 components on the buy/sell section ????????
  • 1 0
 I remembered the years when 8 speed is very common and the high end product is 9 speed.
  • 3 1
 Clutch on RD?
  • 7 0
 Yep. Type 3 roller bearing clutch
  • 4 0
 According to the image, yes, roller bearing clutch.
  • 1 2
 on chainreaction, an m8000 cassette is $75, $97 for a cassette/chain combo, (which is lighter than this one). I can't wait to see how cheap this is if the MSRP is only $79!!
  • 3 2
 (Golf clap) Well done Sram, well done.
  • 1 1
 I stood up and clapped, no one else in cubical-land understood why... priceless.
  • 2 1
 why not to release 11-42 10 sp cassette?
  • 1 1
 To make you buy this block.
  • 2 0
 Sunrace already has it and the shifting is spot on, price is great and lighter than this new NX 11spd cassette
  • 1 0
 yes, however sunrace not a widespread brand as well as not as cheap as xt or nx cassette;
yes I'll buy sunrace or e13 in case i'll change hub to xd compatible;

I do not see benefits in 11 speed with the same range of 10 speed; I do even agreed to use 7 speed with same rage, cause I do not even care about cadense, I do care mostly about ability to get down fast, ride flat smooth and sometimes pedal uphill with less weight penalty
  • 1 0
 I totally agree with you! I have wrote about this a couple months ago in this theme www.pinkbike.com/u/paulaston/blog/pinkbike-poll-whats-next.html . I wrote that range between the most little and the biggest chain rings mast be bigger but the quantity of speeds mast be less. But as for now my opinion that Sram are the best in extreme cycling and I love there components very much!!! Also check this one: www.sram.com/sram/mountain/products/xg-795-mini-block-cassette. It does not have big range (only 10-24 in 7speed) but in near future everything is possible! Good luck!
  • 1 0
 PS: You can just use wolf chainrings www.wolftoothcomponents.com/collections/cassette-cogs/products/giant-cog-for-sram with standard sram's cassettes...
  • 2 1
 Wait, so what is GX? so many x's
  • 1 0
 competition is a bugger...
  • 2 1
 So is this a clutch derailleur or will i need a chain guide to hold it on?
  • 2 0
 You can see in the pic it has a clutch
  • 1 0
 The clutch on Sram is crap,Shimano way superior!
  • 1 0
 Talk about cheesy. That end line, wow
  • 1 0
 Were these forums this whiney 5 years ago?

Anyway, great stuff!
  • 1 0
 Shut up and take my money!!
  • 1 0
 Anyone else notice TYPE THREE on the derailleur?
  • 1 0
 Yes, can't find any explanation as to what it is though. And what happened to type 2.2 - 2.9?
  • 1 0
 Unfortunatly my experience of "Cheap" SRAM is "Cheap Crap" :-(
  • 1 0
 Is it possible to fit a SRAM crankset into a Shimano press fit BB?
  • 2 1
 OEM
  • 2 2
 That is a cheaper for the chain than my LBS has 9 speeds!
  • 1 2
 So now it fits on a regular free hub body. Why didn't they do that from the start?
  • 6 0
 Because the XD driver allows them to run a 10T cog. And allows them to use a one piece cassette that drops tons of weight in the higher end versions. It made sense on paper. Just never went over well with the masses, and so they took a huge market loss when Shimano released it's XT version for people who like their traditional free hubs. So now they're trying to grab those numbers back.
  • 1 0
 that voice though...
  • 1 0
 Life cycles?
  • 1 1
 This is what we want. Instead of some bs new standard boost crap
  • 3 2
 My new drivetrain!
  • 2 2
 Again with the grip shift?
  • 1 0
 sick!
  • 2 1
 XT for me. That is all.
  • 1 1
 lets announce new group every mounth! Fkn marketing workers
  • 1 0
 Finally!
  • 1 0
 Awesome
  • 2 3
 i love all sram stuff! I cant wait to buy this!!
  • 2 0
 me too)
  • 1 0
 I can't imagine what you have now where this is actually an upgrade. You realize this is basically X5 in 11 speed form, right? The same stuff that is on the higher end Walmart bikes?
  • 1 0
 Alias530, I have not looked on it from this point... But you are right. It's just all about that I always putt all my transmission together by myself and choose the best components in the line of gear I need. For example I am now assembling a new bike and I want to have very strange (but it good for me) transmission 1x9 and I will use X0 cranks 36t (just because I've bought them used) with PG-990 casssette 11-34 with PC-991 chain. And as I now see It will work much longer than that NX... So thank you for a good point!!!!
  • 1 0
 It takes 2-3 generations for the old high end stuff to be worse than the new low end stuff. Sure, you get extra gears, but shift quality and durability of 9 or 10spd X0 is going to surpass entry level 10 or 11spd for a while. You'll never get past the difference in materials used. Titanium, carbon, and machined aluminum are my choice over cheap stamped steel any day.
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