First Ride: SRAM's 12-Speed Eagle Drivetrain

Mar 24, 2016
by Mike Kazimer  
SRAM Eagle

After months of rumors, leaked photos, and plenty of heated internet speculation, it's official: SRAM's new XX1 and X01 1x drivetrains go to 12. Twelve speeds that is - both groups are based around a massive looking, 10-50 tooth cassette. Called 'Eagle', the project initially began with the goal of improving SRAM's current 1x11 offerings, but as the company's engineers dove deeper into their tasks, they realized it was possible to add a 50 tooth cog with only a minor weight penalty, a move that would increase the drivetrain's gear range to 500%. That number is greater than the range of a typical 2x10 drivetrain, effectively squashing the complaints of anyone who'd been hesitant to commit to a single ring drivetrain due to the available gear range. In fact, SRAM is so certain that 1x drivetrains are the way forward that they've disbanded their mountain front derailleur division. Front derailleurs have already become a rarity on most high-end mountain bikes, and they'll be even more of an oddity when the 2017 models debut.

It's easy to puff your chest and scoff at a 50-tooth cog as being only for out-of-shape riders, and there's no denying that the dinner plate-sized ring does look odd at first, but Eagle is about more than being able to ride up vertical walls. It's about having a wider gear range, and SRAM encourages riders to choose the chainring size that best suits their needs. For instance, if you're perfectly happy with the climbing gear on a 1x11 setup with a 32-tooth ring and a 10-42 cassette, going with a 36 tooth ring on an 10-50 cassette will feel nearly the same when climbing, but greatly extend the higher end of the cassette, making it much less likely that you'll spin out on a high-speed descent.

There will be two different Eagle drivetrains - XX1 and X01 - when the groups hit stores this June. XX1 is positioned as SRAM's flagship cross-country group, while X01 is aimed at more aggressive riders, those who prefer more technical terrain, and may even find themselves rolling up to the start of an enduro race.


SRAM Eagle



PC-1290 Eagle Chain

Most of us don't spend much time thinking about a bike's chain unless it's making noise, skipping, or coiled in a snake-like heap by the side of the trail, but the new PC-1290 chain is worthy of a closer look. It's an impressive feat of engineering, one that required a new manufacturing process and the German-made tooling to go with it.

The inside of each plate has had any square edges removed, a measure that's said to create a quieter and longer lasting chain. In fact, SRAM say that the new chain is the “quietest, strongest, and most wear resistant chain in the world.” Those are bold claims, and we'll be putting them to the test once we have an Eagle group in for review.


SRAM Eagle
Any sharp edges on the inside of the links have been removed.

The chain itself is slightly narrower than an 11-speed chain, and the pins on each link are now completely flush with each side, a space saving measure that allowed SRAM to squeeze in that extra cog without needing to resort to a different driver body.



SRAM Eagle
The XX1 and X01 Eagle cassettes are identical...
SRAM Eagle
But XX1 is available in a flashy gold color.

Cassette

The tooth count of the first 11 cogs on the Eagle cassette are the same as they are on SRAM's 11-speed 10-42 cassettes (10-12-14-16-18-21-24-28-32-36-42), with the 10-tooth cog sitting in exactly the same position. The spacing between each cogs is ever-so-slightly tighter, and the final 50-tooth cog sits a little closer (2mm to be exact) to the spokes than the 42-tooth cog would on an 11-speed cassette. Despite the extra cog, the cassette still works with a standard XD driver body.

The 10-50 tooth cassette weighs a claimed 355 grams (87 grams more than 11-speed XX1), and is constructed using SRAM's X-Dome technique, where nine of the cogs are machined out of a single piece of steel billet. Two of the three remaining cogs are also made of steel, and the final 50-tooth cog is aluminum. For the numbers oriented out there, a 10-50 tooth cassette offers a 500% gear range, versus 420% with a 10-42 tooth cassette. Both groups share the same cassette construction, although XX1 comes in a snazzy gold-colored option that adds to the bling factor, and $60 to the final price.



SRAM Eagle
The B-knuckle has been revised, and the Cage Lock button is now tucked farther out of harm's way.
SRAM Eagle
The lower pulley wheel now has 14 teeth (two more than before) to accommodate the wider range cassette.

Derailleur

To accommodate the wider range cassette, the Eagle's 12-speed specific rear derailleur has a 14-tooth lower pulley wheel, two teeth larger than its 11-speed sibling. Other updates include version 3.0 of SRAM's roller bearing clutch mechanism, a revision that's designed to create a smoother feeling as the cage moves forward, although it's still not externally adjustable due to a patent held by Shimano. The Cage Lock button has also been relocated away from the front of the derailleur to better protect it from impacts.

Even the B-knuckle (the portion of the derailleur that's threaded onto the hanger) has been tweaked to help keep the mounting bolt from unthreading itself. There's now a bushing around the mounting bolt, allowing the derailleur to pivot forwards and back without bringing that bolt with it. The XX1 Eagle derailleur gets a carbon fiber cage and a titanium spring, features that allow it to weigh in at 12 grams lighter than X01. 12 grams isn't much, but remember that XX1 is aimed at elite-level XC riders, where gram-counting is a way of life.


SRAM Eagle
My, what sharp teeth you have.

Chainring

The teeth on the Eagle chainring look dramatically different from SRAM's previous narrow-wide offerings, with a deeper, more hooked profile that's supposed to increase chain retention, along with reducing the amount of noise, even when the chainring is worn.

Notice how material has been machined away at the top of each tooth? That's the spot where a little nubbin of metal used to develop as the chainring wore, which could create a grinding sensation, especially when the chain was shifted to the far ends of the cassette. On the topic of chainring wear, SRAM says that the new design should last more than four times longer than their previous narrow-wide rings – that means most riders should be able to get multiple seasons out of one ring.

SRAM Eagle
SRAM claim that the new rings are more durable than ever.

It's also worth mentioning that the X-Sync 2 chainrings are backward compatible with 11-speed drivetrains. Available in 30, 32, 34, 36, and 38-tooth options, they're direct-mount only, and will retail for $99 USD.



SRAM Eagle
The XX1 carbon cranks are completely hollow and intended for XC and trail applications.
SRAM Eagle
While the X01 cranks use a foam core and are suitable for anything up to and including enduro racing.

XX1 and X01 Eagle Cranks

The carbon XX1 and X01 cranksets are both suitable for XC and trail usage, but the X01 cranks have been constructed to survive the rigors of all-mountain and enduro riding as well. The XX1 cranks are completely hollow, while the X01 cranks have a foam core, and are tested to SRAM's gravity standard.



SRAM
Now if I could only get this Steve Miller Band song out of my head...

5 Quick Questions

Who is Eagle for? Riders who want a purpose-built, single ring 12-speed drivetrain with a 500% gear range.

Do I need a bike with 12x148 rear spacing to run Eagle? Nope, and it works with a regular XD driver body. The ability to run an Eagle drivetrain isn't dependent on your rear axle width. That being said, Boost spacing can help frame designers create enough chainring clearance to fit the larger chainrings that many riders will be using with Eagle.

Why not go to 13 speeds? Or 15? Why the one cog jump every few years? According to Chris Hilton, SRAM's drivetrain product manager, “Sometimes people, including ourselves [SRAM], need time to acclimatize to change. When we looked at XX1 originally there was a fair bit of internal stress about the aesthetic change that XX1 had.... People getting used to these things slowly has made it easier for us. Can you go bigger? Yeah, you can go bigger, you can go more. Any of these things are possible, but we try to understand how much are people going to take, and I think that if you look at things like hub standards right now people have pretty clearly told me they don't want any more... People have had enough.”

When will a more affordable version hit the market? It took four years for SRAM's more budget-oriented 1x11 drivetrains to hit the market, but the trickle down for Eagle could be quicker, although SRAM couldn't reveal an exact timeline.

What do I need to make the switch to a 12-speed drivetrain? At the minimum, if you already have an XD-driver equipped hub and SRAM direct mount compatible cranks, upgrading to Eagle requires the purchase of a cassette, derailleur, shifter, chain, and chainring.



I was able to spend a day on each group riding the trails of Massa Marittima, Italy, in order to start getting a feel for Eagle's real world performance. Of course, how a drivetrain fares after months of use and abuse is the true test of its worth – keep an eye out for a long term review later in the year, once we've put in some serious miles.

Day one was spent aboard a Scott Spark, one that had been stripped of its usual mess of cables and remotes and turned into a lean and mean, SRAM and RockShox equipped cross-country machine. That day's loop wasn't particularly technical, but it was full of short climbs and tight, twisting descents, the type of terrain that regularly requires multiple quick shifts. Shifting performance was exactly on par with what I've come to expect from SRAM's top-tier offerings – there's a crisp and precise jump from cog to cog, with a distinct 'thwunk' as the chain settles into place. The most immediate sensation was just how smooth the drivetrain felt. Sure, a brand new drivetrain will always feel better than one that's had the snot beat out of it for months, but this was something different. The interaction between the chain and chainring feels absolutely seamless, almost as if it were somehow one unit rather than two separate components. How much of this is due to the chain and how much is related to the chainring is hard to tell, but it will be interesting to see how an Eagle chainring feels with an 11-speed chain (the chainrings are the only part of the system that are 11-speed compatible). In any case, the drivetrain felt remarkably smooth, no matter what gear the chain was in.

What about the jump up to the 50-tooth cog? That didn't pose any problems, and even though it's the largest jump on the cassette, the chain hopped right up without any hesitation. The 8-tooth spread does mean that the 50-tooth cog feels like more of a bailout gear, one that you would shift into as a last resort, whether that's to grind out the last miles of a soul-crushing climb, or when suddenly faced with a near-vertical section of trail.

SRAM Eagle
Day one's ride, an XX1 Eagle equipped Scott Spark.
SRAM Eagle
Lapierre's Spicy Team, set up with X01 Eagle.

After spending the last few years aboard 11-speed drivetrains it did take a little time to get used to having a wider spread of gears, and an extra click at the shifter. I found myself glancing down a couple times to see just how many gears I had left on the cassette, and in each instance there were more remaining than expected. That's a good thing, especially when compared to the alternative, where you fruitlessly stab at the shift lever hoping for just one more gear. I've honestly never had any issues with the gear range of a 1x11 drivetrain with a 10-42 cassette, but there have been plenty of rides where I would have shifted into an easier gear if it were available, which is what the 10-50t cassette accomplishes. I usually run a 32-tooth chainring on 11-speed setups – that's what works best to tackle the long, steep logging road climbs around my home – but with Eagle I'd likely bump up to a 34-tooth ring, thus gaining a slightly easier climbing gear, as well as a harder gear for high-speed descents.

The second day of riding was a little rowdier, located on the trails that were going to be used for the first round of the Superenduro race series. My ride was the Lapierre Spicy, a bike that epitomizes the saying, “don't judge a book by its cover.” Despite its ugly duckling looks, it's a good representation of the style of bike many riders are gravitating towards, with 160mm of travel and longer, slacker geometry, the type of bike SRAM expect the X01 group to end up on. Like the XX1 group, X01 felt extremely smooth, with accurate shifts and no dropped chains, even on the rougher, rockier trails. Other than price, and a minor weight difference, there's no functional difference between the two groups, and in a blind test it would be virtually impossible to tell one group from the other.



bigquotesThe battle for drivetrain dominance continues to rage on, but this is a fight that benefits the consumer, and mountain bikers now have more options than ever. One thing is abundantly clear - the front derailleur's extinction has never been more imminent. The launch of relatively inexpensive 11-speed drivetrains from SRAM and Shimano, along with the plethora of conversion kits and aftermarket cassettes from smaller players means that there are 1x choices to fit just about every budget.

Eagle's ultra-wide range and the host of refinements that went into producing the 12-speed group will undoubtedly make it a popular choice on 2017's top tier bikes - it will be interesting to see how Shimano chooses to respond.
- Mike Kazimer


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Photos: Adrian Marcoux / Mike Kazimer


708 Comments

  • + 855
 Nobody needs a fifty tooth cog or twelve gears. This is stupid dumb and unecess.....er.....wait...hold on... nobody told me it was going to be GOLD

TAKE M|Y MONEY
  • + 303
 It's GOLD, Jerry...GOLD!!
  • + 11
 Gold is best, best best best.
  • + 56
 Exactly, this is going to match my X-Fusion gold Revel X beautifully. Oh....
  • + 176
 I don't need it. It is super expensive. But it sure is a pretty impressive piece of work. That gold is sexy.

$1200 USD for the XO1. What is that $50,000 CAD?
  • + 45
 Dr. Evil, can i paint his yoo-hoo gold? It's kind of my thing.
  • + 18
 LOL @moefosho Closer to 75,000 CAD LOL
  • + 18
 @moefosho or about 80 EUR, I believe.
  • + 23
 They only did this to stop people (like me) from using racface cranks and Shimano derailleurs on sram cassettes. Now, if you want 12 speed, you MUST buy sram
  • + 65
 Stoked on this! That means the non-gold 11-spd lighter weight cassettes might come on Sale!
  • + 30
 The Eagle has landed...................
  • + 8
 @PaulLehr How about no.....
  • + 3
 Who is going to do a video of the "blind test" between 1x drivetrains? Talk about gold... that could be hilarious!
  • - 2
 Sexy as hell
  • + 59
 Patiently waiting for a 26" cassette.
  • + 8
 I like the gold accents, "Eagle, the Persian version"
  • + 16
 I have been hounding Zerode, I'm ready for their trail bike, this is just getting out of hand!!!
  • + 10
 So about that gold.. did I read this right? The cassettes are the exact same except with XX1 you get the gold treatment for a mere $60 extra? Really, though??
  • + 9
 all the haters secretely LOVE the gold on the xx1
  • - 6
flag yeti951SD (Mar 24, 2016 at 11:11) (Below Threshold)
 Pardon the language but all these extra gears are bullshit. Nothing against XC or weight conscious riders, the bike industry continues to push the limits of ridiculousness in both pricing and design. Derailleur drivetrains are like the oil industry, they are just going to come up with crazy ways to get your money before we all switch to something new and better.
  • + 19
 Do you know that gold is created when only the largest of stars go supernova?
  • - 4
flag zenis (Mar 24, 2016 at 11:17) (Below Threshold)
 Guys, does this mean that the chain needs replacing more often. There will be much more angle preasure on it! I think it will wear much faster. But hey, it's all about the money.
  • + 5
 Pretty! But I like my 36x42
  • + 64
 My not quite 54 year old knees are starting to see the benefit of that cassette. Does everyone need that sort of thing? Probably not, for me having options that extend my ability to do what I've loved to do since I was 24 is really pretty cool.

If the bike industry sunsets my doubles and I'm forced into a single then this will help keep me riding.
(I'm still pissed about the whole 27.5 things though I have to admit)

If I saw such a thing back when my body wasn't beat up and worn out I'd of scoffed I'm pretty sure ~ time and tide catch up to us all and trolling / trashing on something because you're not broken yet (everyone breaks eventually) is pretty arrogant in my opinion.
  • + 112
 Thanks a lot SRAM!! How am I supposed to sneak a gold drive train past the wife!?!?
  • - 49
flag XCMark (Mar 24, 2016 at 11:49) (Below Threshold)
 Yes, look how quickly we forgot what pieces of shit SRAM is... Now that we've seen bad and gold, only thing left for Sham is gangster. And the idiot look will be complete!
  • + 28
 And to think Shimano just came out with their 11 speed some 6 months ago after SRAM has been 1x for 4 years.... Poor guys are just catching up Hopefully they are about to drop a bomb with a gearbox.
  • + 25
 At $420 for a cassette I hope it really is gold plated.
  • + 20
 I just upgraded to a full XT 1x11. I will never, ever go back to SRAM. There is no substitute for Shimano.
  • + 6
 Who didn't feel this coming?
  • + 8
 Im 34 and would agree with massive gears pfft! But after a knee injury. These big cogs are the future for me pedalling single ring. So for an age and injury front. We are getting there.
  • + 4
 @jts429 no? smoke and pancake? bong and a blitz? flapjack and shigarette? shigar and waffle? no? pipe and crepe?
  • + 5
 Thinking the same, will XX1 11speed see a drop in price ????
  • + 13
 The real tragedy here is that, after 500+ comments, there is nothing from the famed Protour. It saddens me that I haven't seen a comment from him in months.

For a throwback thrusday classic, go back to pinkbikes review of the first 11 speed drivetrain, the XX1, and read the battle that was waged between Protour and Waki on multiple threads.
  • + 1
 +1 I'm completely with you. Skipping to 18-speed and can't wait to see what a unweighted rear suspension feels like.
  • + 1
 Two words. Awesome. Gearbox.
  • + 4
 Eventually it will be bigger than your pizza
  • + 2
 They timed this well with the release of eddy the eagle. It's a fucking conspiracy.
  • + 1
 I just had both of my hips operated on so I'm all about anything that'll allow me to spin an easier gear. Spin to win!
  • - 8
flag WAKIdesigns (Mar 25, 2016 at 5:16) (Below Threshold)
 Why don't you buy an E-Bike @thebigschott?
  • + 3
 If I'm a good Boy will waki buy me an ebike ?
  • + 2
 @rivercitycycles this comment has not received the recognition it deserves....
  • + 3
 $360 FOR A CASSETTE?!?1!1
  • + 4
 @NWuntilirest ....where have YOU been???
  • + 2
 "I like my Eagle bald like an Eagle" - Roach Gigz 2012.
  • + 2
 @jts429

You forgot
"You crazy Dutch bastard!"
  • + 1
 Makes me want a transmission equipped bike . With a belt drive.
More is better? We need this?
  • + 1
 Yah Protour got me thinking. I have 1x on a light 29 hardtail, but I admit he did influence me for a 2x10 on my heavier trail 27.5. Lots of times that 2x is annoying, but age and injury do make low gears good to have..., especially on long rides and multi day trips... But the range in 9-50 would solve all.
  • + 0
 Today I rode 29+ bike with 32t front. It took me 2,5h of intervals involving steep climbs and really boggy terrain to occasionally start using the second last sprocket on 10-42 cassette. I couldn't use 42t sprocket because I was tipping over, riding like a drunk donkey. 32-50 may seem like a great idea but how on earth do you steer the bike going so slow (unless you spin 150 RPM). Then if you ride FS, how do you cope with inevitable extra bob provided by spinning fast? 10-50 is here, like rain, and solar wind, nobody should be stupid enough to cry, but I do believe that some inventions do dumbus down :/
  • + 0
 Agreed waki.same setup no plus tho.
  • + 3
 Went to XX1 and love it, 11 speed cassette same weight as my XTR, was able to lose my front derailleur and shifter to lose a bit of weight and clean up the cockpit a bit, plus was able to drop from a 36t chainring on my 2x to a 32t 1x, increasing my rollover clearance while still keep a reasonable climbing gear with the 42t cog and a nearly identical top end with the 10t cog. Now, looking at Eagle, truth is I don't need a smaller climbing gears for my local trails, so the expense for the drivetrain plus the fact that it puts 140g more on the swing arm because of the heavier derailleur and cassette makes it a no go for me. Could see if it being useful somewhere that someone wants to go 1x but their local trails necessitate a wider range of climbing gears and so they've stuck with 2x or 3x, but otherwise don't see the benefit of hanging 1/3 lb off the axle to mess with the suspension action.

At this point, if I were going to give something a shot it would probably be the e.thirteen 9-44 11 speed cassette, so I could drop another 2 teeth on the chainring and get a little more climbing power and clearance while not affecting the top end because of the 9 tooth, and it only comes at a 50g weight penalty at the axle. I guess we really are in the golden age of choice and horses for courses in MTB.
  • + 1
 i'm waiting for 13 speed to come out Smile
  • + 1
 I agree sshredder, the complete belt drive can weigh less than just the lengthy chain on these new 50t systems. I've benn saying Shimano should redevelop the Alphine around a Saint R axle or a hollowtech spindle to cut its weight. They won't and they don't have to. Thanks to mid drive ebikes there are more good frames from all major brands that can have an adapter made to mount an alphine hub in that interface to use it as a gearbox that is over 1000g lighter than the pinion. there are already bikes using the alphine as a gear box. Since it would not be carrying weight it seems reasonable an alloy axle could replace the steel one to lighten it up. Shimano wouldn't approve but they don't approve of range extenders either.
  • + 3
 @davemud The Alfine hub can't take the torque of MTB they'll blow up. That hub was engineered for commuting. Even very hilly ares that hub regularly has issues.
  • + 1
 @spinto21: Very good point.
  • + 2
 @PaulLehr: I understand the Alfine is not ideal for MTB and Shimano warns against using them in that application officially but acknowledges they are being used off road with success by many people. The 11 speed has more issues than the 8 speed... just like their derailleur based brothers.

The Alfine won't work for people who beat their bikes. They do work for those who ride with skill, finesse and on smoother trails. The Alfine isn't ideal for off road at this time but it certainly could be and most likely will be if Pinion equipped bikes start to take off.
  • + 1
 @mitcht: Yep! is happening. Although a e-thirteen 944 is way smarter!
  • + 2
 @wolf-amongst-lambs: It will work with Race Face rings, so it will work with Race Face cranks. I checked with them, they have done some testing and said its compatible. Putting this on a bike with SixC cranks.
  • + 464
 Finally got a 1x11..............and it's already out dated
  • + 53
 Hell, I just missed a whole product generation. Makes me really enthusiastic about buying the next big thing though. Oh...wait...it doesn't at all.
  • + 29
 To be fair you waited like three years to get on that boat
  • + 210
 1x11 ain't dead.
  • + 170
 i just switched to 10 speed .. ????????
  • - 2
 @chrisingrassia It's even four years! I don't get the whiney comment from the user above, there is always change and you have to consider while buying someting there will be already something new announced.
  • + 58
 1x10 for life! Well, until I get a gearbox anyway.
  • + 7
 Damned, I was so sure that I'm going to replace my 9 speed 36t with the Shimano 42t this month end!
  • + 10
 Switches to PB B&S in search of dirt cheap 1x10/11 groupos. Wink
  • + 2
 Same here and I still think I have 1 too many gears
  • + 14
 Its not outdated. Most regular riders who aren't about to drop $1K+ on a new drivetrain will be enjoying the benefits of the now reasonably priced 1x11 for the next few years.
  • + 1
 e: wrong thread.
  • + 3
 if i'd waited 1 more year i could've gone straight from 9 to 12. but i just switched to 10....
  • + 25
 So you just got 1x11 and its outdated... I'm still running 1x9....
  • + 38
 Lol I'm still on a 1x9
  • + 5
 Me too^^ been holding out on getting 10 speed which apparently is old already, still must be cheap
  • + 27
 Fuck this, I'm done.
  • + 9
 y'all would hate computers then.... the moment a new product makes it to market it's already out of date and something faster/ more compact/ cooler running is being released.
  • + 0
 @nwthumbs no need to single out computers. This is the case with any commodity or consumer good on the face of the planet.
  • + 87
 Everyone shut the f*ck up I'm running 3x8
  • + 14
 I'm on 1x8...
  • + 6
 It's only outdated when Shimano comes out with one. . For me, Shimano holds the standard in quality and ergonomics no matter what's coming out
  • + 3
 I just upgraded my '09 Intense SS from 9-speed to 10-speed last year. I was stoked to be somewhat "up to date" and have a clutch. I was looking forward to 1x11 on my new bike I wanna buy. Now it's all outdated! LOL
  • + 20
 It's not outdated, bruh. Stop comparing bike tech to computer/technology. Does your bike still run on 10-speed? If yes, it's not outdated. Can you still buy parts you need to repair? If yes, it's not outdated. It's not like your bike is no longer operable once 12-speed hits the stores.

If your riding and your trails only require 10s, then, in fact, your rig will never be outdated.
  • + 9
 I'm so old I'm still excited about 8-speed. Don't know about that 8-speed chain though... seems narrow.
  • + 7
 I'm seein 2x12 icoming Big Grin
or maybe 3x12?.... We'll see..
  • + 6
 Me too! I guess I'll wait untill 1×13 comes out next year...
  • + 1
 Lol same
  • + 25
 OneUp coming out with a 8-54 conversion later this year.
  • + 4
 Holding out for 1x13
  • + 23
 Here's to the people who just bought Di2 XTR: sad trombone

Mwa mwa mwa mwa mwa mwaaaaa
  • + 13
 For sale 26" 160mm AM bike 1×10 drive train conventional seat post. Reason for sale too much innovation not enough time. BMX here I come.
  • + 4
 Hold on to that 26er bro, nothing pumps uneven terrain, whips corners, and plays nicer in the air than one of those...as long as parts remain available your rig is dialed.
  • + 0
 ^ which they wont because the industry is the devil
  • + 4
 They should have timed this announcement with the next big iPhone release to really crush spirits.
  • + 2
 Me too, I'll take Japanese engineering/technology over U.S. engineering/technology. Is Honda or Toyota still the best selling car in the U.S? Not Buick, or Plymouth? I mean, they always had such great marketing departments...
  • + 1
 @nwthumbs

Yeah. We would totally hate computers. ; )
  • + 4
 Holy crap these idiots want us to pedal up 80 °
  • + 5
 I love my 2x8! All I need.
  • + 1
 You can run a clutch deraileur with a 8 or 9 speed system. Just use a Sram shifter with a Shimano deraileur. I've been using a Zee deraileur with my Sram x4 (they stopped making X5 and up for 8speed a while back) 8 speed and it works great. Running 30x11-34 for climbing and 32x11-23 for bikepark (5speed).
  • + 8
 @chrisingrassia - yep, that about covers it. Drivetrain improvement do not obsolete bikes in the usefulness sense. They do devalue bikes on shop floors a bit (like when all the high end Shimano stuff just took a bit of a price dive right as dealers were unboxing and building up bikes from their pre-season orders and contemplating the discount they'd have to immediate attach to them - what is it with Shimano and their inept management of their distribution channels?). But from a consumer perspective, there's no mandatory OS upgrade to your bike that then requires you to upgrade your drivetrain to keep it functional (like the more and more bloated software our devices download every month, which will eventually choke them and require better hardware, making a 5 yo smartphone or computer less useful than it was on day 1 when it ran fast).

Because drivetrain components are wear parts, there's a huge business in supplying stuff for years to come. And that stuff, over time, becomes better while still being compatible. So if have to replace a derailleur due to rock strike, hey, all of a sudden you can put an 11speed drivetrain on your bike instead of the old 10sp setup for about what the old parts would have cost you a year ago - or you can get those 10 speed system parts at a discount. There's so much the bike industry does that ends up screwing over consumers - this continuing evolution of drivetrains allowing upgrades to existing bikes, or cheaper-than-before maintenance/replacement of wear parts is not one of those things.
  • + 7
 12 speed doesn't make anything obsolete since it required all new components to make it. components are still made by the two big S guys and everyone else.

What will happen is 12 speed will trickle down so getting XT or X9 9 speed gets more difficult as stock sells off. The up side with Shimano is every they also trikle down tech as they develop DA and XTR. Look at today's 9spd Alivio. Its beautiful and the RDR bears a striking resemblance to the first shadow XT RDR.

More and more people are getting tired of this crap though so more and more are calling for internal gear systems. Have a word with yourself if you think the up coming internal systems won't be superior in every way. Had gearboxes for bikes been developed along side derailleurs for the past 116 years derailleurs would have died decades ago. If getting rid of a 2x derailleur was good for bike design getting rid of a 12 speed one is 6x better.

Don't believe the companies who say IG is less efficient or whatever. They make millions of the high maintenance short life products they are pushing. Shimano has the IG tech in their IGH hubs and so does Sram. If they were to build a BB around that tech the weight where it should be.

People use the Alphine for MTB a lot now. Shimano's main warning is a bent axle will seize and destroy the hub. Great, so why not build it around a Saint axle or a hollow tech BB axle to make it stronger and lighter? Because you won't have to replace it at least once a year.
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 Very well said @davemud. What is interesting is what I observe in online reaction here, that is no more big negativity, just like there is almost no praise. It seems as if we just stopped giving a fk, and who can blame us. So many good jokes here, it seems like people stopped taking this seriously. Good.

Sorry SRAM: meh.

Give me 14 Speeds on a wider FH body, I won't give a tiniest crap either. Original XX1 was great, N/W chainrings and wide range cassette changed the way I ride my bike. But this? Get your balls out in 4 years and give me an electronic gearbox instead of electronic XX1. I still believe that SRAM will be the one to make if Shimano can't even let go of idiotic tripple chainrings.
  • + 1
 They did
  • + 8
 Shimano continues with multi ring cranks because they have research found in their tech book showing they are more efficient than 1x systems. Shimano could easily do all this extended range crap but they know there are compromises in shift consistency they prefer not to have in their systems.

Years ago Shimano was prototyping a system called FM5. It had a 7 spd internal hub and 5 spd internal crank. Top racers like Greg Herbold used it and loved it. We were told it would never be produced for MTB because Shimano was too invested in derailleur. They sold the crank for urban bikes in europe and/or Asia not in NA and of course they continue to sell their IH hubs for commuters and city users who want clean maintenance free long life gear systems... Yeah, who the hell doesn't right?

The take away is Shimano could easily develop their existing IGH technology that sells very well and is very well known and accepted in the market place but they choose not to. Shimano will say there is no market or demand for it... but then they say there is no demand for wireless gear systems either. Clearly if you could find Shimano in the dictionary "stubborn" would be one of the definitions.

Everyone is focused on the range, little gets said about the chain line. It does get mentioned here because Sram knows everyone knows it IS a problem they just made worse. This chain may be better than the current 9/10 speed chains, its hard to imagine them being worse, but will it actually last longer than a 9 speed chain used and maintained properly in a 9 speed system? What if they applied this new design to a 9 speed chain? How much longer would that last? A hell of a lot longer than this new 12 speed chain but where's the profit in that?
  • + 6
 From my perspective I don't give much damn about chain lines and chain wear. I need a reliable, low maintenance system, because I have small kids and one window per week to go out and ride. I have no time to fk with servicing, readjusting sht or fixinga bent hanger or a broken mech. I want to forget that gearing is there when I pick my bikeup from the attic to go riding.
  • + 0
 @waki - go singlespeed Wink ...yeah, I know, your area is too hilly.
@sram - you will get my middle finger for that extra 50t cock Wink
  • + 1
 Except for the new XTR cranks. Those are the worst ever. Crank arms get toasted after a few rides.
  • + 3
 I just switched to ten this year too lol
  • + 2
 If shimano came out with some very good, very affordable, competitively weighted wide range 10 speed and 11 speed cassettes. And continues lowering the prices on those items, they would crush a lot of the aftermarket. The OEM level is the catch 22. They need to keep up with the jones' to keep the appeal at the shop floor level. Manufacturers are gonna want to put on the latest. And that means shimano is going to have to follow suit to some extent. It will probably be 12 speed 11-48 rhythm step crap. Just for the sake of it. If they want to make a real dent though, they should beat them to death with their prices for starters. The high cost SRAM stuff may work nice, but the cost is crazy. Less and less seperating the incentive to move to a gearbox from a consumers standpoint. Gearboxes will be pricey, but if they come out the same as a derailleur based system, there is a very small barrier stopping people from investing in a bike with a gearbox and walking away from deraileurs for good. But if they can get a very solid wide range 10 or 11 speed super super cheap, it's gonna be a harder decision. Shit they could even make wide range 9 speed cassettes.
  • + 1
 A few issues no one here seems to address or perhaps understand. Internal gear boxes are 2-3 times less efficient than chains, nothing beats a chain in that way and it's more important than one may know. Internal gear boxes are very complicated and will never be anywhere as light as a chain driven system.
  • + 3
 Currently not! that's why they should invest and work on weight and efficiency. Got to remember that AM bikes were averaging about 14-15kg a few years ago, nowadays they are like 12.5-13.5kg for a 160mm travel tank, ID quite happily take the extra 1kg gearbox and have a slightlier heavier bike for a drive train that will last.
  • + 5
 Weight and efficiency gets repeatedly mentioned every single time the topic of gearbox arises on Pinkbike. I don't understand where are you come from with this. Then, gearboxes 2-3 times less efficient? Are you from The Republican party to state over exaggerated pseudo-facts with no back-up in any form of evidence? Rohloff hub is at worst 8% less efficient than classic system with a relatively straight chain line. Cross that chain between middle chain ring and either one of outer sprockets and classic drive train goes down in efficiency, particularly on smallest sprockets. Gearbox is not for XC, instead it is undoubtedly the most sensible solution for DH bike and a slight compromise for Enduro bikes. As far as trail bikes go, nobody races on them, so those who want a reliable, low maintenance system that will go strong for years, the slight drop in efficiency and increase in weight are worth it. Apart from the fact that no expensive bit is hanging on the rear axle, at the mercy of rocks, the issue of removing full pound of weight (at best) from the rear and putting it in the center of mass of the bike just cannot be ignored.
  • + 1
 Hear hear.
  • + 5
 @WAKIdesigns - I hear you, time is precious for most people who ride. I live in a relatively muddy place - to keep my drivetrain and everything else on my bike humming, I have to spend about 5 minutes after each ride on a quick gentle hose-down, and then another five minutes before the next ride wiping down suspension parts/dropper post, spraying some suspension lube, lubing/wiping the chain, and checking/adding air to tires. If it's really bad, there's another five minutes or so of spraying a bit of cleaning stuff/degreaser and cleaning stuff up in the post ride regimen. So that's 10-15 min of overhead to go with each ride - if you're trying to squeeze in a quick 1 hour ride after work, that's not trivial.

Here's the problem, though - yes, a gear box would make that ritual a bit quicker - but I'd still have to do a quick clean on suspension parts; I'd still have to do the quick hose down (to make sure mud/rocks/debris don't collect around the pivots or block the bleed holes in the frame). So while the traditional drive train adds time to the routine, the gear box wouldn't get rid of the routine completely.

So where does this leave us? Yes, the gearbox is lower fuss. But at current state of the art, there's a lot of resistance to overcome. The box is expensive at the outset (offset by lower maintenance over time - no derailleurs and cassettes and rings and chains to replace), so you have a sticker shock issue. The box requires very different frames, so you can't make them an option on the high end trim for the early adopters (like you can with stuff like special suspension bits, or electronic shifting, etc.), but have to make a dedicated bike. And you can't sell them to retrofit.

SRAM has a lot of experience with in-hub shifting from their Fichtel & Sachs roots. With cassettes getting bigger and thus heavier, it's hard to imagine SRAM wouldn't be able to come up with a better in-hub system that's not too much heavier than an 11sp derailleur system - so you'd get all the low-maintenance benefits, even if you didn't have the benefit of moving the weight to the center - and that wouldn't require different frames. That's perhaps an easier route to imagine - but then you're looking at a more expensive, slightly heavier, slightly less efficient (at least in clean state) setup, so that's perhaps not the clearly better mousetrap people will flock to.

Pinion is probably closest to having a gear box that's ready for prime time. And they've gotten it to be pretty compact - but it's still a lot bigger than a bottom bracket. So it still requires some serious adaptation to existing frames, or a dedicated frame.

But damn, the nasty old derailleurs have finally gotten pretty damn good. Even a neglected one will work for a good long time; they no longer need constant adjustment; they shift well even under power (a gear box will require learning to anticipate your shifts a lot more on the uphills); chains don't fall off they way they used to; etc.; etc...

It's a pretty damn steep hill to climb, and meanwhile SRAM and Shimano are duking it out leading to better and cheaper drivetrains readily available and compatible with what people already ride. This may end up as another case where good enough beats better...
  • + 4
 @Waki. Why do you consistently cop an attitude and act like a know it all every time somebody states an opinion you disagree with? Regardless of whether the opinion is well informed or otherwise, Danaco's statement doesn't deserve your antagonistic response. If you disagree fine, but leave the name calling out of it. Chill.
  • + 2
 Why is everyone always forgetting Shimano's very successful Alphine hubs when talking gearboxes? The only difference is their location on the bike. I rode an alphine bike last summer, a Brodie Once hybrid and didn't feel any difference in the pedaling efficiency of the drive train on it compared to my 2x10 xt.

Derailleur technology is 116 years old. Yeah it works but imagine if IG systems had been the focus of most of the R&D in that time. IG systems can use a gates belt drive. The complete gates drive, belt cog and chain ring, weigh about the same as your roller chain and last at least twice as long with virtually no maintenance.

I got to ride a city bike with the 8 spd Alphine hub and agates drive. It was awesome, absolutely quiet and smooth. Its a system that would kill chain driven derailleur bikes if it were paired to an IG system that had as much effort put into developing and marketing it for performance as the S guys have put into their derailleurs.

Sunrace and Microshift both already have cheap 10 and 11 speed wide range cassettes and Sunrace even has a decent looking rear derailleur. I'm well aware of the difference in quality so no need to point it out. Point is cheap systems are already out there and the s guys aren't going to devalue their product because like IG its not in their interest to do it.

The future is IG not this crap and I'm betting Sram didn't think so many people would be looking at this and saying enough of this crap, you've gone to far. I'm glad to see it finally.

The Pinion box weighs over 1000g more than Shimano's Alphine 11 spd hub, it weighs 1665g with 409% gear ratio
  • + 2
 Sorry that last line unclear. The Alphine 11 spd hub weighs 1665g with a 409% gear ratio. The pinion weighs 2698g and more expensive. Shimano could make the alphine lighter and stronger and redevelop it as a BB if they wanted to. Obviously it would be an all new product and an expensive process for them but they would make their money back ten fold like they have with derailleurs.
  • - 4
flag fecalmaster (Mar 26, 2016 at 23:43) (Below Threshold)
 I'll stick 509% of that gearbox right up your muffler ass.
  • + 3
 Great info davemud, the internal hub gearboxes already exist, I'm sure it wouldn't take much to get it strong and ready for MTB. You have to give it to SRAM for marketing and finding ways to keep selling 1000$+ drivetrains when you can get a top of the line 2x9 that does the same thing for a fraction of that price. My question is why hasn't anyone else brought out a gearbox bike yet? Suntour I'm sure could easily bring one out, perhaps they are all making good profits on the drivetrain replacement game and the industry collusion is pretty strong? Makes sense! I look forward to the day MTB is like my road bike which takes SO little work to keep going compared to my Slayer, much like my Dirt Bike which laughs at ultra thick mud with its internally sealed O-ring chain and internal gearbox.
  • + 1
 @SintraFreeride: Very interesting idea, thanks! I will try this. Never thought to mix speeds like that.
  • + 1
 This cavalerie is 13.64kg which is very respectable for a 160mm alloy gearbox bike. www.cavalerie-bikes.com/#!anakin-enduro-en/c14ls
  • + 1
 @davemud: Sram 8 speed and shimano 10 speed have the same amount of cable pull and thus allows this to happen. Also works with 9 speed sram shifters.
  • + 1
 @SintraFreeride: Wait what?! Just to be clear, you're saying "9spd SRAM shifter, 10speed Shimano 'Clutch' mech and a 9spd SRAM cassette. Works fine." Because there's 2 issues here; cable-pull (or for the techies "leverage-actuation") ratio and cassette spacing.

I think someone (maybe even me) needs to draw a tick-box-chart of compatible Mechs-Cassettes-Shifters. Please.

While I'm here:
Gearboxes - All the technology exists. Cost is clearly not an issue: The top Trek Emonda SLR is £12,000. People ARE willing to spend a LOT of money on bikes. Frame design and suspension mechanics are issues that can be solved. Weight, would at least be 'unsprung mass' (not seen that term mentioned in a review since about 2007...) Benefits: @g-42 is right, most people are happy with deraileurs and wouldn't see much benefit from the increased cost. Which reminds me of that new groupset...
  • + 4
 @freeridetom: Sounds mad but it works! Turns out shimano's 1:2 ratio on a 10speed is about the same as a 1:1 on a 8/9speed sram shifter. There is a whole forum about this "upgrade" on Pinkbike which is how I found out about it a while back. I have been using my setup for 2 years without a problem!
  • + 356
 Disappointed in SRAM - this was a great opportunity for them to create yet another hub standard, which is what everyone has been crying out for. Major fail.
  • + 46
 They're saving that for next year.
  • + 11
 If they wait until next year they can obsolete 9, 10, 11, AND first gen 12 speed stuff in one fell swoop.
  • + 18
 Yeah why would they do that...FIRST they need you to buy into 1x12. THEN comes the new hub standard.
  • + 13
 The new Boost+ with 149.5mm rear hub width comes out in six months I heard, along with their 15gear cassette with 60t ring!
  • + 2
 i really did lol. thank you.
  • + 5
 You do realise Boost 2.0 is coming... No joke.
  • + 4
 They may go 150.5 boostX, and then they would actually be able to claim an improvement over current standards. Or is it too soon to jump that far that people wouldn't acclimatize?
  • + 4
 I'm waiting for flouro coloured 17.5mm non-qr front axles in 115mm boost+ width, halfway between dh and xc axle standards with extra width for ultra enduro bro steeze, non quick release as all doctors have bike racks on top of their audi's anyhow, so don't need to ever remove their front wheels
  • + 1
 It's boost xo
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 I just hope that the cheaper trickle down version that comes out next year is gonna be called SRAM Beagle.
  • + 203
 Eagle>Hawk>Pidgeon>Parakeet
  • + 66
 Hey, if you post stuff like that, you have to come help all of us clean up the coffee we just snorted at our screens!
  • + 9
 Was literally sipping pepsi and almost blurted it all out haha.. @Pedro404 & @CHawk68462 win the comments for today!
  • + 158
 SRAM Smeagol. One ring to rule them all!
  • + 15
 Parakeets are well better than pigeons!
  • + 6
 I reckon a pidgeon could take a parakeet in a fight though :p
  • + 4
 I agree. Would Pigeon be bottom of the pile? would a Sparrow or a Blue-Tit trump a Pigeon?..
  • + 10
 No way a pidgeon could take a parakeet in a fight... those parakeets are real rowdy little bastards.
  • + 12
 do the chickens have large talons? DANG
  • + 2
 @durkonion : Goldum
  • + 9
 Mock yeah ing yeah bird yeah yeah yeah
  • + 9
 Wow, that's a wide spread on that eagle!
  • + 5
 Just wait till Shimano comes out with the Peregrine Falcon.
  • + 17
 A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
  • + 4
 The Pinion Birdeater
  • + 3
 Seagull?
  • + 3
 Oh have you not heard?.....it was my understanding that everyone had heard....bababird bird bird, bird is the word...
  • + 2
 No it could be SRAM GX and NX Seagle
  • + 1
 You forgot budgie
  • + 1
 I see a blackbird/Hayabusa war coming on
  • - 1
 Mr Biggles
  • + 1
 mockingjay part 1
  • + 3
 I had to create an account just to +1 @durkonion and the 'SRAM Smeagol' comment.
  • + 191
 Meh. Bring on the GEARBOX you fools!!!!
  • + 5
 Meh...why not, I guess my 10spd having ass will jump on this bandwagon
  • + 5
 @aoneal I tried to give you more props but it wouldn't let me... in any case I am with you!
  • + 2
 For fahqing reals. This is getting recockulous. It's worth the release just for this thread though.
  • + 37
 Go buy one. Speak with your wallet. Look how many smaller manufacturers are fitting just the pinion. pinion.eu/en/bicycle-manufacturers

Or you could buy a Nicholai or a Cavalrie with an Effigear.

Or you could just keep posting complaints which go nowhere on every pinkbike article and not actually do anything.
  • + 18
 @aoneal Just buy a gearbox-equipped bike already and call it a day, they are readily available. Unless you don't really want one and you just like typing random words with caps lock on.
  • + 7
 I want to try that Zerode trailbike but i dont know if it has 500% gear range (whatever that is).
  • + 17
 I'd like to see the big guys (SRAM and Shimano) invest in the future which is likely the gearbox. I want to see news, prototypes, efforts, etc. that show us they are working towards providing us with what we want. In doing so, we will all benefit from lower cost and more reliable offerings as the technology progresses. Sure, the Pinion is great and a step in the right direction, but it is expensive, and without any real competition it will remain so. We don't need 12 speeds. We need an affordable and reliable mass-produced gearbox solution.
  • + 17
 So what you want to see is a company invest a huge amount of money in R&D to create a product which doesn't create any new business but just competes with their existing lines? That would be a terrible business move. No new bike sales are going to be created by gearboxes becoming more mainstream.

Until there are other manufacturers taking a chunk out of their derailleur sales they have no motivation to develop anything and as long as people keep saying "Oh, the pinion is too expensive, I want one from a big company" that isn't going to change. That's what people mean by vote with your wallet.
  • + 8
 Patrick9-32, you'll notice the American flag next to aoneal. The only bike available on the pinion link you posted available in the US is a commuter bike by KTM. Nicholai and Cavalrie are not available either. Nicolai-usa website no longer exists, Canalrie's north American distributor Philthy Bikes website no longer exists, the last facebook page activity is in 2014. Google search shows nothing.

For those of us willing to speak with our wallets, where do we get a proper gearbox bike in the US?
  • + 2
 Shimanos time to just annihilate SRAM by coming out with 12 speed gearbox right about now
  • + 18
 I love the gearbox complaint. New? Hub standard? NO! That's crazy. New groupo NO that's crazy. Now my stuff out dated. Gearbox that takes a whole new frame and rear wheel?. . . F#ckya. I want that.
  • + 1
 Gearboxes are never going to happen, imagine all the frame design limitations bike companies are going to get. Their engineers would have to design a frame around the gearbox. Function following form, that's a big nono for any R&D dept.
  • + 11
 Zerode has Pinion 1.12, which is 600% on 12 gears. Far superior range on the Zerode. And, by the time SRAM 1x15 will reach 600%, it will weight same as a gearbox, with all weight unsprung on the rear hub.
  • + 7
 I am so glad our Pinion's are on the way. Like mrciave said, i would rather have all that centered than out on a rear hub. Then having it all sealed so it will last longer than i will be riding with a 600% range.
  • + 11
 I'am looking for this solution on the market: A internal geared hub (142x12 axle) with a small cassete on it. So I am working on it myself in the evenings after engineer at my job:

ep1.pinkbike.org/p5pb13305543/p5pb13305543.jpg

Benefits:
Increasing overall ratio (internal ratio approx 1:1.5)
Small chainring > less weight but more important for engineers: increasing space at bottom bracket, this is the most difficult area to design due all the stresses at that particular point.
Smaller cassette > less weight thinking about a 7 speed downhill XG-795 miniblock (136 gram!)
Smaller derailleur > less change on hitting it.

Future
Changing the (stupid) SRAM design on XG-795 cassette and body to make space for wider hub flanges (boosting) within a standard 142x12 versions.
Program it with Di2 (shifts itself internal or external with one shifter)

My goal is to reach a solution which is even a bit more lightweight then a 1x11 drive, and I am slowly reaching it. By then maybe Shimano or Sram have it already on the market Wink

Greets from Holland
  • + 1
 Nice work. I would be interested to see more. We should be receiving our Pinions in hopefully 5 days. I personally won't mind the weight of it. For the benefits gained it is worth the trade.
  • + 0
 @Patrick9-32 I can understand your direct frustration with me and my comments. My wife has issues during that time of the month too. It's alright though, just keep your head up and it'll pass in few days.
  • + 1
 Nice response, and so timely too.
  • + 0
 @Patrick9-32 I didn't want to respond during your peak PMS time. I'd hate to see you get crazy mad and then cry hysterically over nothing. Hopefully your monthly cycle is in full swing now so there will be no more direct anger towards random individuals for no apparent reason.

...at least until next month.
  • + 167
 I'm just here for the comments.
  • + 13
 i don't even use a drive train, so yeah, i'm here for the comedy.
  • + 38
 Aaron Gwin is dat you?
  • + 4
 Beer and popcorn at hand! Let the comedy begins!
  • + 4
 Wondering if the "kill it with fire" comment will make an appearance
  • + 2
 And the comments are here just for you!
  • + 2
 you can probably just buff it out with wd40
  • + 117
 *Reaches for popcorn*
  • + 5
 And extra butter.
  • + 43
 Extra salty.
  • + 9
 This thread will be so good it's doesn't even need trailer before the main event
  • + 10
 That's not my popcorn...
  • + 45
 *cuts out bottom of popcorn bucket*
  • + 7
 ^^^^ this guy!
  • + 13
 Ya, you know SRAM is just doing this stuff so they can read the comments in Pinkbike and laugh.
  • + 17
 no money for popcorn, need to save it for SRAM
  • + 1
 It has to be toffee popcorn
  • + 71
 Thought it was April 1st when I opened the front page this morning....
  • + 8
 I checked the date as well hahahah
  • + 9
 Because 13 is an unlucky number, I hope they skip straight to a 14 gear cassette next. #facepalmwhenthehellwillthisinsanityendohwaititneverwillthisismtbbeotch
  • + 4
 #overlylonghashtags
  • + 64
 Why is everybody bitching around about 50 tooth being unnecessary? With 50 tooth in the back you can easily install a 36er in the front. That's perfect.
  • + 19
 It's amazing people are missing that. " But my 28t with a 50t is just ridiculous! "
  • + 12
 No, what's amazing is that you actually need to have access to a 10x36 gear ratio on a mountain bike. You must both be ridiculous riders to be crushing it down trails in those gears. Good for you though, I wish I could go that fast down trails- seriously, I'm jealous.
  • + 0
 You can run a 36t with a 42t at the back already.. braaap
  • + 3
 Because the people complaining still have yet to realize they do account downhill performance into these creations. More gearing means more performance both uphill and down, forget about numbers except for ratios.
  • + 9
 I have a really bad back, so spinning out a nice big cog is perfecto for me. I love big BC climbs but if I mash a hard gear I can't ride for a week. I'll take 28x50 for a two hour climb please! (thats a 20 minute climb with normal gearing mind you...)
  • + 5
 I run 36x42 I did it for the Mammoth Kamakaze and never bothered to revert. More top speed and more muscle building climbs. Climbing is not the fun part of this sport, really.
  • + 3
 Did everyone miss the additional length of chain necessary? Not a big problem in XC but faster, rowdier, air bombing to flat riders will be tangling that mess no matter the guide or derailleur spring tension. I like that I could up to a 34 again, but the extra chain length looks like a deal killer.

babump####

Curtain opens on their new shark tooth sprokit to solve the issue!
  • + 5
 I can't see how more range is bad. It's just gonna make current stuff more affordable and it basically nixes the range argument that old guys would always make to justify a perceived need for 2x stuff. For anyone who spends a significant amount of time on the road on the way to/from local trails it's also gonna be real nice.

Also worth considering that SRAM is setting their sites on the road bike market with their 1x stuff. A few months ago I was going with the idea of building a 1x road bike, and some quick math told me that a 46 ring with a 10-42 cassette would give me pretty much the same range as a compact double on a standard race bike. This 12 speed cassette will have an even wider range then that. Less front derailleurs in the world means less headache for everyone. I know super cadence nerd roadies like the tiny jumps on their tiny cassettes, but for many, many people, super wide range 1x gearing is a good thing.
  • + 2
 One problem with the 1X setups is when you are using your smallest cogs, the tension on the derailleur has decreased. Then your chain gets way more floppy and can skip around. On a 2X setup, you can run a pretty short chain. Chain is lengthened to make the 36t up front up to 25t in back. Then when you reverse that you can climb 22t up front and 34 or 36t out back with a short chain that keeps good tension for descending. I manually switched the front rings as i threw out my front derailluer in 2008. Now I am about to throw away my rear derailluer as our Pinion's are being shipped and we will be making framesets for those.
  • + 1
 All good points, and I agree gear boxes are the future, but it's gonna take a while before they really catch on. In the mean time, I think wider range 1x drivetrains make sense.
  • + 2
 I definitely see the appeal for my mini dh(I think they call it enduro now), I spin out on 36x11 going downhill and 36x36 is torture uphill. My legs would worship a 10-50 cassette. If only I spent less time riding bikes so I could afford it...
  • - 1
 Putting such a Large gear in the Rear is defeating the purpose of 1x(9,10,11) You use 1xX because you are a decent rider and have some leg strength... Enough to realize you do not need 2 chainrings and because you are this strong you get to lose the weight of a Front derailleur and shifter, Now you have a lighter bike with less rotational mass as a traditional 2 x setup... Putting a 50t REAR cog(the same size as some ROAD/CX front chainrings in the rear) you are moving the rotational weight(VERTICAL for pedaling and REAR for flicking) to the rear... It is just stupid... In my mind a 2x9 would be better than this bullshit. It just does not make any sense at all!!!
  • + 2
 Ummm, i think you're missing the point of 1x drivetrains. It's not that you are a decent rider, it's that it gets lighter, simpler, safer for dropped cclhains, and cleans the cocpit space up front on the handlebar (so that you can put a dropper post shifter). Wink
  • + 0
 Yay, thank you Peregrinebikes for bringing us the future today. I hope many other bike companies join you.

....Yeah stoodi because the massive weight of a shifter, FDR and its cable are slowing you down so much. Did you factor in your longer 1x chain to your weight loss equation? A lot of people, even elite XC racers still use a chain guide so you don't necessarily loose the weight of an FDR either. You also have the same number of chain wheels in 1x11 as you do in 2x10, 2x9 has 1 less so most of the time you don't loose any chain wheels you just move them from front to back. Funny that the extra weight on the back wheel is a criticism of IG hubs but we have no problems or concerns pilling more weight on the back wheel with more and bigger cogs.
  • + 45
 Cool story bro, I'm just going to have a solid cry while I ride my new yet now entirely outdated xtr 11 speed equipped carbon devinci spartan.
  • - 18
flag cstishenko (Mar 24, 2016 at 7:25) (Below Threshold)
 Problem right there… Shimano. They're very behind the 8 ball compared to SRAM.

You seen SRAM E-Tap Red? For road riding. Completely wireless shifting. www.sram.com/sram/road/family/sram-red-etap
  • + 10
 @mayel Man, that sounds rough. Frown
  • - 1
 Bullshit, xtr shifts better and faster than sram ever could with its clunky shifts.. Plus with oneup shark tooth you have the same range - 1 gear....
  • + 14
 Shimano had had electric shifting for years. That's SRAM's very first iteration. Wireless is dumb anyways. Have to have a battery in everything.
  • + 8
 "entirely outdated"

are you joking?
  • + 1
 Spartan is getting the boost treatment and will be refreshed soon, and my the drive train is 11 speed and not gold, therefore outdated.
  • + 6
 Cry even more while others ride the Taniwha /pinion 12spd gbox bike, that this suddlenly makes and looks very cost effective with no BS
  • + 6
 Just throw it in the field, it's useless now.
  • + 37
 Where are all the "...I've managed with my 3x7 for the last X years and don't understand the need for 12 on the back..." Ranting?

My first proper mountain bike was 2x5. I rode it to the shops last week when I visited the parents. It was horrible.
  • + 21
 Still running 3x9 Smile Smile on the trail bike oh and 26" wheels.
God I feel like I am living behind the moon with my bike.
  • + 5
 I sold a bike to build up another, so I'm currently riding an older bike with 3x9, in the interim. It's terrible. I can't believe we used to put up with all that noise and the dropped chains.
  • + 13
 I ride two bikes:
- A 3x9, all XT except an SLX front derailleur and FSA crank. It doesn't shift as crisp as my other bike.
- The other one is a 3x10, full XT drivetrain, no issues or complaints. Shifts are crisp and precise.
These may be outdated technology, but I'll be enjoying them for years to come. They work, so why upgrade? I don't earn money riding my bike. I'd rather be spending $ on biking events and trips.

I like seeing this new technology. And when I will need a new bike, it will be a 1x drivetrain. But the goal is enjoying the ride, not feeling down that you're riding an outdated bike.
  • + 1
 @Iwanttoride exact same for me... and riding the dream i dont feel like i have/need to change
  • + 1
 How the fuck do you keep your chain on with 3 times. I haven't ridden one in ages but my last memory of three by is my chain being everywhere but on the cogs as soon as soon as you start pushing the speed a bit over rough stuff
  • + 1
 I ride pretty hard and my chain stays on all the time !! as long as it's in good tension it works... even if the cage is long which is my case. Handle your bike and there's no stuggle, even if yeah there's more noise..
  • + 34
 "and I think that if you look at things like hub standards right now people have pretty clearly told me they don't want any more... People have had enough."

AHAHAHAHAHA this is coming from the company who gave us the XD Driver, Boost, and help to proliferate the use of pressfit BBs. That is rich. Piss of SRAM.
  • + 2
 But, but all you need to make this work is a new shifter, cassette, and chainring. And oh, make sure your cranks are direct mount compatible. Chump change! And oh, sorry if you already switched to 11 speed last year, that's old news by now.
  • + 4
 It's a valid point you make and I am not personally interested in many of the new standards which have been introduced recently, but as Kazimer says in the article, it's another choice for consumers which is good. For instance, if a bike brand added another colour option to a bike for next year, there would be no downside to the consumer, same as this. That said, 32 x 50 does seem absurdly low.
  • + 6
 The SRAM board meetings must be just riveting.
  • + 4
 Yeah I read that too. That guy should go into politics
  • + 1
 Yeah and this should put downwards pressure on the prices of the 1x11 groups. That said, SRAM's lack of consistency and uniformity sucks. They operate like several different companies that don't communicate. Combine that with their pricing and how they attempt to generate as much profit as possible by the timing of their releases, and it makes for a confounding experience.
  • + 12
 Well, in all fairness... - drivetrains are either wear parts (chainrings, cassettes, chains) or are likely to get banged up once in a while (derailleurs). The way that 10sp came about, and then 11sp, and now this, nobody has been stranded. You can still get 7sp and 9sp cassettes and chains, amd the rings for the triples up front (all very cheaply, actually). Today, you can buy a kick ass 2x10 drivetrain for very low prices. And if you want to upgrade, there are a bunch of options that have trickled down.

When it was time to switch her worn out cassette and rings, my lady's bike got the 1x10 treatment - replace the 2 front rings with one narrow/wide (that fits right on the 104BCD crank) and the cassette with a 10sp 11-42 Sunrace cassette. All that works really well with her SLX derailleur and shifter and driver and cranks. Net cost over just replacing parts outright was pretty minimal - and well worth it for the simplicity. She lost a gear at the bottom end (she's not missing it), and one at the top (let's just say that she's definitely not missing those). But she wasn't forced by the evil industry to go 1x - she could have very cost effectively stayed 2x10, and the parts for that are only getting less expensive as stuff is all of a sudden 'obsolete'.

And my new bike came set up with X1. Nope, not top of the line - but damn, it's really working well. If I have to replace parts, I can go cheaper (GX is becoming super affordable these days). If I really want to go crazy, I can upgrade to X0 when the time comes - yes, that will mean a new shifter and rear derailleur. But since my cranks were thoughtfully spec'd by Kona to be 94BCD, and since I don't need more top end (I've shifted onto the 10t sprocket exactly once, and that was on asphalt, downhill, in an attempt to see what the range actually was), I could always change from my 30T ring to a 28T ring (for under $30 for the basic SRAM NW) and get more bottom end. So there's little upgrade pressure, I have a very nice drivetrain, I'll be able to get replacement parts for years, and now will be able to do so at ever lower prices (for equivalent stuff) or with lower end replacement (if I really want to go cheap and don't mind a bit of extra weight).

The industry is doing lots of stupid stuff related to standards. And some of that is leaving people stranded for replacement parts, making their bikes hard to keep going (think 26" tires and wheels getting harder to get, or limited selection of hubs that will support the old 135mm QR standards, etc.). But drivetrains are a rare example of all that refinement (I don't want to call it innovation, as there's no "new" stuff, just refined and better versions of existing concepts) actually working to make current bikes less expensive to maintain or even upgrade.
  • + 4
 "Piss of SRAM" = gold piss? Time to go hydrate.
  • + 1
 Available from your LBS for $49/qt
  • + 1
 He did say that would be the minimum needed upgrades
  • - 1
 ..
  • + 1
 I think that's how you have to look at it, there's nothing negative about them offering you more options, and nobody is forcing you to buy an orange bike instead of a green bike. If you feel 1x12 would suit your riding best, it's great that there's the option instead of nothing.(aka only orange bikes for everyone)
  • + 31
 Think before you hate, with this you can have a bigger front chainring meaning on those long straights where you spun out on 11-42 and a 34t chainring, you can have a 36 or 38 giving you a little more speed. Cos you can still get up the hill.
  • - 3
 But less ground clearance and more weight. No thanks. 9-42 10 speed cassette and 2x is still wider. Less sprung weight on the rear too.
  • + 23
 I don't know what trails you're riding but the only place I can manage to spin out with my 30t 11spd setup is pedalling my guts out on the road. Unless the only trails you ride are straight all the way down the hill (a-line) I can't see this being helpful while descending... Climbing on the other hand... We've got some good steep climbs that I could use some more range on
  • + 3
 @Twenty6ers4life it says in the article "The ground clearance is the same as SRAM's 11-speed derailleurs, as is the clearance between the derailleur and the spokes."
  • + 4
 @evanmant happens all the time SoCal lots of wide open trails.
  • - 1
 True dat Connor. But that doesn't make it right.
  • + 5
 @zutroy fair point.. I've seen a couple guys come up from cali with 34 & 36t rings and have issues climbing here. Different terrain different needs?
  • + 2
 I was just going to say, come to SoCal. Any Fontana or CES Race has guys on 34t and 36t rings. Or elevation differences are very similar. Our climbing being long fireroads that gain 2k, yours being techy single track or climbing trail. I see the benefit but for a non-racer like me. Ill stick with my XX1 11 speed for a bit long.
  • + 1
 If you have one bike for the bike park and your local trails and run 1X11 you know spinning out, I've spun the 34t out riding Plattekill, Thunder, Attitash and many other east coast bike parks. Think about the benefit racers will have not needing a different chainring for training and racing on, seems like that will likely be the target market for these groups with the more XC specific and Enduro versions.
  • + 5
 He meant crank/bottom bracket clearance....
  • + 0
 @ConorWhelanMTB I don't mind spinning out. It means I can have a rest and enjoy the downhill and save my legs for the next climb. I spin out at about 25mph but it doesn't bother me.
  • + 3
 @therealme528 He meant the bigger chainring. I hit my 32t ring all the time, I don't want a bigger one.
  • + 4
 Yep, I meant the front chainring clearance. Bigger = less clearance and more weight. Also more weight on the back too with the 12 speed dinner plate on there. With my 10 speed 9-42, (Leonardi, 250g) on back and a 20/32 up front I have plenty of gear on both ends.
  • + 2
 Uh, loads moar chain to deal with.
  • + 1
 I've run out of gears only a couple times with a 30 X 10. On pavement. Off road never so I am fine compromising top speed in those places. But sometimes the hills are a bit much here in Whistler and I can see the purpose of the 50 and. Larger single ring. Makes sense. The gold finish is hideous though. And I had too many issues with the SRAM set ups I had to go back to that stuff. Costs more the Shimano and was less reliable.
  • + 25
 Rode a 2x10 the other day after being on 1x for years and thought, "Wow, this is great, I can shift to a climbing gear in one click. And back to max blast in another." I suppose you might need all that extra weight of the 10-50t cassette when climbing really steep stuff though.
  • - 6
flag mrgonzo (Mar 24, 2016 at 8:30) (Below Threshold)
 Shift like that and you'll be tearing up chains
  • + 5
 A properly set up FD and a well spaced 2x is still my favorite. Only reason I went 1x is to make a spot for my dropper lever. Sour grapes. SRAM never could make a nice FD.
  • + 3
 I ride 2x10 with an mrp 2x chain guide, chain has never come off, I don't have a ridiculous dinner plate on my rear cassette and it works very well for all terrain! 1x setups have a place, but I think this is getting crazy now, a 2x setup seems simpler than this 1x12 with all its proprietary everything
  • + 1
 yes! one of my bikes is a 2x & that feeling of reward of just "that one click" to get into an easier gear is pretty damn cool. as well I've always had debates with people over the fact that this 1 click on the front is from a larger to a smaller ring "to make it easier" which happens really quickly, whereas with a 1x system, the 2 or 3 clicks of the rear "to make it easier" is from smaller to larger cogs (which can be a little bit of a "crunch" if you have to bear weight on the pedals while you are doing it).
  • + 26
 It's weird to think how insane it would have seemed to have a larger ring on the cassette than the cranks just a few years ago...
  • + 24
 Also, there's a typo in the article. The answer to the question "Why not go to 13 speed? Or 15? Why the one tooth jump every few years?" should read "According to Chris Hilton, SRAM's drivetrain product manager: MONEY".
  • + 3
 Also it should be cog not teeth
  • + 16
 Sigh.... It wont be long before Sram/Shimano have to go the other way to be revolutionary, in 2018 we will all be marveling at the amazing 1X10 drivetrain, lighter and cheaper than 1X12 with enough gears for anyone to get the job done. If I wait long enough I'll be up to date again!
  • + 1
 2018! Thats TWO years and then everyone will comment on how stupid the industry is for reintroducing old standards Just my w cents
  • + 3
 iPhone SE
  • + 4
 Or even better... A 2x8 with equal range and a lot less weight.
  • + 2
 Shimano will be coming out with quadrupple chainset
  • + 1
 Hah, you're right, this could go on forever! Once they to to 15 or so gears, they'll start saying that bigger jumps between them is okay, so then we can get the same range with fewer gears!
  • + 5
 I would much rather have a 1x7 or 1x8spd wide range cassette with huge jumps between gears. Suits the roller terrain I ride. That would do away with all the double and tripple shifting on a 1X11 or 1x12. As in XO1 DH in a 10-40T please SRAM...go the other direction now.
  • + 2
 I was thinking the same thing. I'm not too concerned about how big the jumps are between gears. I'd be happy with a 6 speed with a 10-42 range, or a 10-50 with a bigger ring.
  • + 14
 Although people bashing on SRAM for this innovations, i totally like this 1x12 setup. if you can have the simplicity and of 1x drivetrains with the range of 2x10 why just not do it? My current bike is a 150mm travel with 2x10 setup and while riding on an extremely viable and challenging terrain with alternating short punchy climbs followed by descents, i find it very hard to concentrate in 2 shifters (and the dropper) while finding the right gear each and every time so its hard to keep the flow. The other issue concerning 2x10 is that when i shift the front shifter, i immediately have to shift to some other gear on the back in order to smoothen out the gear gap otherwise the gear is too heavy or too light at that time. YES i know that a gearbox is a better solution but until that day, 1x12 seems to be a good and functional solution.
  • + 2
 Di2 would also have you sorted with a better chainline.
  • + 2
 Personally i like this one more. its more focused,simple, bike appearance and aesthetics is less cluttered, does not require programming,does less chain noises , and i guess the chain is more secure as well. i also see it easier and faster to trickle down to cheaper models.The Di2 is too much of a trouble and the prices are astronomical.
  • + 1
 I think with 12 speed you're going to wear the drive train quicker with it being so narrow and that chainline. Di2 doesn't take long to set up and will come down in price/trickle down to other sku's. I'm still on 1x10 waiting for things to sort things out and settle down.
I think the hub standards are going to change again and more gears will be coming.
  • + 12
 People can throw out terms like pussy and wimp all they want but summer time in the Rockies means 4,000 - 6,000 ft days at 12,000 ft. For my daily rides I probably don't even need need my 42t. But for huge rides I'd love way more gearing. I sure as shit am not going to run a double but for all day epics but I'd gladly go to this setup
  • + 2
 I live on the front range. That means straight and straight down. I begin climbs at 6500 feet (approximately around Golden and Boulder). Bring on the wider range 1 X systems. At least until the gearbox's are finally ready for prime time
  • + 5
 @bman33 I moved to the front range a year ago and my legs definitely needed an adjustment and I started using my 42t a lot more but I don't feel I need anything more. Actually I've gone up a few chain rings after adjusting. But when riding up on the Colorado Trail or in Crested Butte, I would have punched a baby for a double ring.
  • + 12
 I love 1X drivetrains and run a 32t cog driving an 11-42 cassette. I believe that the bigger issue that Eagle addresses is not so much having a bigger climbing cog (which it certainly has), but rather the higher end that is diminished with a smaller rings driving a 9, 10 or 11 cogs. I used to run a 34t ring and had plenty of top end, but on long climbing slogs it was tough. Eagle and the poor man's version with Shark will allow me and others to move back to bigger chainrings without the climbing compromises.
  • + 17
 I like GOOOOOOLLLDDDD
  • + 14
 They were too busy wondering if it could be done to think about if it should be done.
  • + 4
 Shoot her
  • + 3
 I can't believe this. The only one who agrees with me is the blood sucking lawyer!
  • + 3
 How do you know they can't breed?
  • + 1
 Nailed it.
  • + 11
 Am I the only one who thinks this is a perfect opportunity to introduce a CHOICE of cassette sizes now?... I love my 1x11, and I often wonder if I could get away with a slightly smaller cassette.. (I realise I could change my front cog, obv)

So with the 12 speed, as @jonokonko says.. albeit in different words.. if you ARE a stronger rider, could to get a 12 speed 10-42 and have even smoother jumps? like the level of incremental steps given on an 11 speed 11-25 road cassette vs. 11-32, The racers go smaller and the leisure riders go big?...

Would be interesting to see a bit of variation... although whether tis worth the investment is another thing.
  • + 0
 This. I want to see 12spd 10-42 and 10-46. 36 to 42 is too big a jump, and I'm guessing 42 to 50 would be worse.
  • + 0
 @brendannz F-Yeah.. I even thought this when I had 1x11 last year, 10-42, id have even thought 11 (10 is just mental) 40?... I guess thats shimano's game... but as as fan of either, but a user of Sram, id like the choice.. even if I had to get a bit fitter to live with it comfortably.. Thats what id love to see, personally.
  • + 2
 Yeah, the 50 tooth is just way too big. You don't need 500% range, especially if the last 80% of that "range" is one single cog. I've never quite liked the big jumps on your typical 1-by drivetrain.
Which is the awesome part about a 2-by drivetrain. You have actual choice as to how big the gear jumps should be, where a 1-by is always the same gear spacing (at least for SRAM).
  • + 10
 I like it but wouldn't buy it until it came on my new bike. I see this is a micro progression and not worth the coin to change from 1x11, especially when you can get a wide range 11 speed cassette for your existing drive-train.

Unlike when SRAM surprised the market with it's initial 1x11 system the competition is MUCH more prepared to compete against this. A whole industry has been created since then and these companies seem well-positioned to adapt their products around the concept of a larger granny gear (whether 10, 11 or 12 speed). Also, the people who are hating on this concept didn't catch the part about being able to run a larger front chain-ring while keeping your climbing gear acceptable.

Finally, Eagle? Why don't you just call it the 'Murica drive-train and be done with it?
  • + 11
 Because secretly they're calling it "Spread Eagle"!!! I'll walk myself out the door....
  • + 1
 This guy wins
  • + 12
 Pfft, my bike has 18 speeds, who cares!
  • + 4
 Prefer a 21 speed myself. Wink
  • + 6
 B***h please, I have 27
  • + 5
 Yo dude, check out my 30 speed
  • + 13
 3x12 with a 22-36-52 crankset, now we're talking
  • + 8
 I'll bite. I see the benefit. But there is NO WAY i'm going to rush out and replace the X01 10-42 on my bike. The only thing left would be the crankset. You require a new shifter, derailleur, chain and cassette.

I think their idea behind it is, you match the 50T rear to your 34/36/+ front in order to optimize your climb speed, and you are left with WAY more high end pedal speed.

Now, looking at this from first hand use of a current 11 speed drivetrain… I use the top 3, the bottom 2 and everything in the middle is whatevs.

I'm digging One-Up's 44T rear cog replacement for the 11 speed, over this Eagle setup. 2 teeth on the rear should gain you an easy 2 up front, putting most guys into a 34T front. With that? I'd have more top end speed than I care to pedal out.

Thoughts?
  • + 2
 I hear you on the One-Up. Totally happy with my 10-42, but having just a tad more at the high-end would be nice.

I think the issue is that a lot of racers are running a 36 up front for races (at least my buddies are, I'm not quite so rad) and then going to a 32 or 34 for training/longer rides. Not that its a big deal switching rings, the 50T just eliminates that need for good.
  • + 4
 I have the 10-44T OneUp cassette setup w/XX1 DR and 34T SRAM DM chainring. Works like a charm, even on the gnarly climbs in the Bay area.
  • + 10
 So the Anti-Squat numbers of all the frames of recent have been thrown out of wack a little due to the bigger chainrings we'll now be running.
  • + 1
 ah don't worry about it. Most bikes have too much anti-squat anyway. Plus I doubt anyone is actually going to upgrade their 1x11 bike's drivetrain with this one. If they do they are loaded and should just buy a new bike LOL. Most riders using this will be getting them on new bikes and it will just shift to the new standard as we replace our current bikes/break their parts. Though it's more sensible to just buy the matching part for your current drivetrain if nothing else is wrong with it. 1x11 is really good. This is just a little bit better.

You should be excited that your wicked bike is slightly inferior to the current bike because it's kind of hard to imagine bikes getting much better than they already are, but then they always do. It'll keep getting better and better forever. You can't hate on the industry for moving forward.
  • + 11
 can't wait for 8 speed xo1 dh!
  • + 3
 7 speed dude...
Then eventually 1x1 DH.
Carbon chain-ring, carbon cassette( can't mess up the hub spacing), Composite printed, crank and pedals.
Extra Value Price 15,999$
  • + 2
 ideal gears are always n+1, 7 speed xo dh will be outdated once they come out with a new 163X15 rear axle standard for better q-factor (aka probably around sea otter freak festival)
  • + 6
 The only real news here is the 50T cog. This would be real news if OneUp didn't release the Shark earlier this week. Unfortunately Sram was one-up'd by OneUp. And...the Shark is ready for sale/delivery while the Eagle won't be ready for another 3 months.

The fact that there's one more gear (i.e. closer ratios) isn't as significant to the average dirt rider as it would to a roadie.
  • + 6
 Haters gonna hate. All this means is you can use a larger chainring in the front without sacrificing anything. Staying in the mid-range cogs of the cassette more often and only having to use the top/bottom gears when they are truly needed will make the drivetrain more reliable. With 1x10 I am in the extreme gears more often than I'd like since I use a 34t chainring.

People will always cry about change but whatever, this is really good for the sport. Sure it enables people to have really easy gear ratios, but it also enables people to have insanely wide and powerful gear ratios. Or however you want it to be basically. It's a lot of range and the chain/derailleur revisions are a big deal. Cry all you want, that gold cassette is pimper than pimp.
  • + 9
 love how they tried to pretend that boost 148 is needed in the questions part lol
  • + 5
 This new 12speed may be compatible with most bikes since it works with the old and new hub standards. However, everyone should remember that it's the chain that will be the new standard. No, one else makes a 12 speed chain. SRAM also had to create a new machine just to make the new chains to work with the new 12 speed cassette. With that in mind any time you break that 12 speed chain you're going to have to pay SRAM top dollar for that shiny gold chain. Like it or not they will be the only ones making it for a while.
  • + 5
 pbs.twimg.com/media/BA8IyduCMAAcwkK.jpg


So I'd need: derailleur, cassette, chain, shifter, chainring, AND xd driver??!! I'll stick with Shimano XT 1x11 that I barely put on this past December for about $300 total--or the price of this new Eagle derailleur.
  • + 6
 E13 TRS+ 9-44. Nearly the same range. Lighter. Less expensive. Shifts as well as SRAM. Done need to buy a new shifter or derailleur. None of the hostile marketing BS either.
  • + 2
 How have you liked it? Has it held up well? I came super close to pulling the trigger on that cassette and decided against it due to lack of reviews
  • + 2
 It is awesome. The 9 vs 10t actually is a huge difference. I do not see needing more range than this. 488% vs 500% is really not that different anyway, but I like the 9t and resulting need for a shorter derailleur cage than eagle and also the ability to run a smaller chainring for better ground clearance since the 9x32 is about the same gear as a 10x34. Shifting is also dead on.
  • + 4
 Right so... The bad boys on this forum need 36t or bigger chainrings so they don't get spun out, and this necessitates a 50t in the back so they can still climb. Meanwhile, Aaron Gwin rocks a 34t chainring. I'll be looking to see you guys up on the podium soon!
  • + 7
 Waiting for complaints about how expensive it will be and jokes about Canadian pesos
  • + 4
 Looks like boost is a stop gap measure til they turn the dial up to 13.

"Any of these things are possible, but we try to understand how much are people going to take, and I think that if you look at things like hub standards right now people have pretty clearly told me they don't want any more... People have had enough"

WRONG. You know what people have had enough of? 4mm this year, 3mm next year. 1 gear this year 1 gear next year...
This incremental shit is exactly what everyone is sick of. Just get it over with already and go 153.33333mm hubs, 14 gears, 40mm bar clamp dia, 1.6" steerer, 81mm BB with 35mm axle and quit f*cking around already.
  • + 3
 next year its called turboboost with 149mm in the back! the year after its megaboost with 151mm in the rear. the giant cogs look ridiculous...some day it will cover the whole backwheel like the old tioga disc wheels.
  • + 2
 I love this shit
  • + 4
 Who wants to keep up with this bike parts "technological boooom", is st.pid. Come one, why would we need 10 and more speed crank sets, totally useless. I am totally satisfied with 26" wheels, and now days, you can not even find frames at that size, and soon we will not be able to use 9 speeds and so.

I am fed up with this, this is going to be after a while dictatorship in bike parts!!!!!!
  • + 2
 I'm pretty sure that in a dictatorship you don't have very many choices.... Now there are tons of option out there.
  • + 3
 Along with the extra chain length needed to cope with the range the rear mech is getting longer ie closer to rocks and stuff. We've spent years going 1x to get shorter chains and shorter mechs to help with ground clearance and chain retention then SRAM go and undo all this hard work with a stupidly big cassette that undoes all those gains. For what it's worth I've just gone XT 11 speed on the main bike and I wouldn't want any more range as I can pedal up steeps until I fall off the back and when I run out of speed downhill I cna gain more by pumping the trail. I wouldn't want my mech any lower either!

We're going the same way as we did with longer forks 20+ years ago: Bigger doesn't always = better people.
  • + 3
 "What do I need to make the switch to a 12-speed drivetrain? At the minimum, if you already have an XD-driver equipped hub and SRAM direct mount compatible cranks, upgrading to Eagle requires the purchase of a cassette, derailleur, shifter, chain, and chainring."

so what you're saying is, in order to make the switch to a 12- speed drivetrain, all I need is an ENTIRE NEW DRIVETRAIN.
Thanks.
  • + 5
 Didn't Shimano already launch an Eagle Derailleur?? Wink

www.disraeligears.co.uk/Site/Shimano_Eagle_derailleur_(1st_style).html1st_style
  • + 7
 I get it - eagle as in the bird (to Shimano):
┌∩┐
  • + 3
 Like George Carlin said, "We don't have real choices, you have the illusion of choice"

All these "advancements" are incremental changes that do not really give the consumer useful choices to say, with their funds, where they value innovation. A true spectrum of choice would be different styles of well implemented drivetrains entirely not adding another, gigantic gear to the cassette and giving is some goofy name.

I understand why they advance these kinds of things rather than other drivetrain options but don't feed us the choices line and expect us to buy it, it is just a farce.
  • + 5
 Im pretty sure there is cobwebs on the smallest cogs on my 1x11 set up as is, haha

hardly see the need to need an even wider range tbh, especially not for over $1k!!
  • + 3
 sounds like you need a different chainring!
  • + 2
 32 up front! very rarely use 10/11th! maybe its the type of trail in ireland that i ride
  • + 3
 What about how much slack the chain has when in the higher gears? I already get much more noise than I would like with the 10-42 spread, and try to not ever use the last
Few cogs when defending rough trails due to the unnerving extra noise. (Yes my chain is sized as tight as possible).
  • + 1
 I meant to upvote this... sorry. I totally agree! I mean, I bet the derailleur takes care of a lot of that, but the chain length must be crazy long. Also... all this rotating weight on the wheel can't be great. At some point it just seems inefficient.
  • + 3
 I have a 1 x 10 with a One-up 42 & I love it but can't see needing anymore .... 1 x 12 is overkill.

1 x 10 already eats chains pretty fast .... 1 x 12 will have be even worse. no thanks
  • + 2
 I don't care what anyone says. To me this is still just something to keep the consumerism machine running. It may cool, and perform it's job the way it is intended to but it is still entirely unnecessary to me. I just went 1x11 and couldn't be happier. I thought even 1x11 was a stretch at the time, but this is getting out of hand. It feels like all these new standards are just getting put into place to keep the industry in a never ending state of flux so we all have to buy new shit.
  • + 1
 Says the guy with the 11speed mech.
  • + 1
 I understand what you are saying. I know it sounds a tad bit hypocritical but it feels like everytime I upgrade its obsolete 6 months later.
  • + 1
 It's all just perspective. The Eagle means the next time you need a new chain, cassette, or derailuer it will probably be a little bit cheaper. I'm on a ten speed, and would be super excited to see 10x parts available at 8x or 9x prices after this is on the market for a while.
  • + 3
 Serious Question: Will there be a grip shift option? Long time gripshift user here, love the gold bits on this one, will go nicely with the pretty Ti & Anno hardware on my XC rig.
  • + 4
 @davidccoleman, yes, there will be both XX1 and X01 GripShift options.
  • + 2
 when i opened this and saw the price my face melted like the indiana jones temple of doom movie!!!!!!!!!

$1200-1500 US for this is crazy. this is why I only buy used bikes now. I'll buy a used bike that someone else already did this upgrade IF I decide to adopt what SRAM is telling us we have to have.....
  • + 5
 This is just what I've been wishing for, now I can pull my boat with a bicycle.
  • + 2
 OneUp product designers are rumored to be planning the release of a 69 gold-tipped tooth conversion sprocket. It's apparently going to be named "Glitter", distributed by Jaw-Dawg, and will come in a purple box with a feather in the lid. It enables the rider to, "take it to the speed limit of love, while climbing the bumps and the humps...."
And you thought she hated Jeffsy....Glitter makes the mascara run as fast as he can now climb.....
  • + 2
 You know how long it took for me to scroll down just to drop a comment on this article? Half a day! During that time, my Dentist called me. Said he just read an article on PB and have to go in for a root canal even though I don't have cavities!
  • + 2
 Just planning a day climbing in moab and a lunch ride DHing at Mount saint Anne..... The bike industry pushes for such a wide range of bike disciplines, but when it comes to drivetrains they seem to think they need the range of a XC 29'er and World cup downhill bike all on in one?

I can't think of an application where this would make sense, are you seriously going to need that much of a range for climbing and descending? if so, what kind of voodoo magic bike are you riding?
  • + 4
 you're the only one making sense here! I agree, I two mtb and a road/cx bike, none of which need the same gearing. My "Enduro" bike does not need a 50t ever and my XC bike has no need to be running a monster chainring so I have access to a really big gear. Both are geared differently and neither crosses into the extreme end ratios of this 1x12 monster. 1x10, regular cog, legs that work.
  • + 2
 You know what's dumb?

An article about a new drive train with a 50t cassette, and not a single picture of them climbing with it!

We get the obligatory air shot as per usual and the semi downhill slope picture!

Come on pink bike......
  • + 2
 I know this won't be popular here, but I bet this is going to be very popular with Fat Bikes. With the big bottom brackets and chainstay/heel interference you run into problems running a single ring. Fat Bikes can rip flat out, nearly as fast as my XC bike, but having a bigger climbing gear would be really nice when you're doing fatbike things in places only fatbikes go.

Will there be a Fat Bike compatible Eagle crankset?
  • + 2
 Awesome news, comest made my day, I'm suggesting intend of that system - XC and Enduro pros.
1х10/1х11 will fit most of average consumer needs, and thats awesome that we have different options;

The real thing that I'm willing to see, is more options of the cassettes in 10/11 segment;
10: 11-42; 9-42
11: 9-42/ 9-36 and so on
also more options from hub manufactures regarding cassette drivers options;

Personally I do not need smooth shifting btw larger cogs, however I would prefer 10x cassette with 9-42; from shimano or sram
or new modified derailleurs with shorter cages for the following cassettes

Also SRAM does not have multi gear shift which is ridiculous on such cassetes
  • + 5
 Is the cassette 355 grams or 455 grams? Semi-related, does Pinkbike employ editors anymore?
  • + 2
 Mmm.... Déja vu? For most of us here today our 1st new bikes where 12 speeds over 30 years ago! We all went everywhere we wanted too, paved road or not! But mostly we all got back home safely with that same 12 speed without even wearing a helmet, pads, ext .... Guess we are back to the future, or i just woke up on Groundhog's day....
  • + 6
 Can't wait to read the comments!!!! Grab the popcorn
  • + 5
 I'm just cringing when I think about the torque that freehub body is going to have to take
  • + 3
 If you don't need the range, don't buy it. Simple! Everyone complaining should be happy because wide 10 and 11 speeds will go down in price. Just be thankful for what you got.
  • + 3
 Just do a 5 speed 10-17-24-36-48 so I don't have to shift 12 times from end to end. I hate shifting, that's why I went 1x10 in the first place. Sometimes I wish I had a 1x9 or 1x8. I hate shifting.
  • + 2
 Well, Im in the dubious-this-cant-be-necessary-and-I-can't afford-it-anyway group but blimey it'd be dull if the industry didn't innovate and push - this is pushing in terms of engineering and capabilities, whether or not its necessary for the PB massive, and I'm very grateful to the guys and gals who do it - Im more emotionally grateful to Hope and One-Up etc but its all for the greater good I reckon.
  • + 4
 I absolutely love my Xo1, but this just doesn't feel right. I hope that 11spd Xo1 remains available to purchase for a little while.
  • + 5
 Your in luck because you will be able to get 11 speed parts a lot cheaper now. I too am a huge fan of my x01 1x11 setup and this makes me happy.
  • + 1
 Ok I'm gonna add my little bit here. I've got a couple of bikes and I ride my friend's bikes too. So I been riding through three generations of tech lately. High end XTR triple 9 speed, 2x XTR 10 speed, high end 1x as well. That one is XT. 26" and 29" wheels. Having ridden all three recently and all in the same very familar trails. Here's my thought. They all work. High end shit is great. Low embed stuff in my wife and kid's bikes sucks. 1x 2x or 3x doesn't matter. But.... For what it's worth.... The smoothest most intuitive shifting bike of the entire lot is... Wait for it... The 3x 9 speed XTR with an old rapid rise derailleur!!! Chain slap??? Hell yeah! But I can come tearing around a corner on that thing press both thumbs once the chain jumps cogs and rings simultaneously under load without a single complaint, and hit the climb right in front of me perfectly. Every time! I can throw the chain around on that bike quicker and easier than any other bike I have or have ridden. Been riding the 1x for the last 2 weeks and yes it does work very well and is easier to maintain. But it's simply not as quick. The engagement does feel slightly tighter, and the cockpit is indeed simpler and cleaner. But it's not that extreme of an upgrade over my old XTR 9 speed. Sorry. I wish it was.
  • + 1
 Can't wait to see the road bike version of this 1X idea. 60 tooth crank ring?....so that way you can use bigger smallest rings on the cassette that do not wear out in only a few months of riding. I miss the pizza sized crank rings of early 90's 650c triathlon bikes.
  • + 1
 I ride a 1x4 rigged drivetrain with a homemade chainguide and its the most hassle free, cheap, and effective. Plus it gets you a lot stronger so even better. and yes at first it was a struggle but over time ive gotten used to the ratios and can climb just about anything that I could climb before. also im trail riding a regular size transition double from 2010 and im 6'5. that's 26 inch wheels, four gear ratios, one brake, and 120mm of travel. and I can positively say it is the most fun thing in the world to ride. So I guess what im saying is one extra gear doesn't REALLY make any real difference, but 50 teeth is retarded, if you really need that ratio stop being weird and run a 2x. Final note, you don't really need the latest and greatest to huck like a boss and most of us don't have the money to be buying this shit anyways so lets all just keep our panties from getting twisted. PS HYPED FOR GEARBOXES
  • + 7
 Keep talking like that and the mtb innovation police will come in a black helicopter to keep you quiet
  • + 5
 I've seen some crazy shit on here before but this takes the cake.
  • + 1
 The helicopter will be enduro specific.
  • + 3
 I am heavy, out of shape, and generally unmotivated to climb and 42t gets me up all sorts of hills. I feel like pedalling at 50t a weak breeze will stop you.
  • + 4
 I am going to put this on my 1x11, and then I will have a spoke guard that nobody will tease me about.
  • + 1
 I think that whether or not this is a good drivetrain option will depend a lot on frame geometry. If your frame has enough chainstay clearance to run a bigger ring without having to also add shims on the drive side it might be pretty good, but still, the 50t cog rides closer to the centerline of the bike than on a 11, so your chainline gets WORSE than a 1x11 in the granny ring EVEN IF YOU DON'T have to shim the chainring out to clear the chainstay. Getting more gear range is nice, but not if the price includes really crappy chainlines.
  • + 1
 Just put on OneUp 32t oval chain ring with a 42t extender in the 10x cassette on my 26" wheel trail toy.
I use it to go to work and some flat land stuff too, but so rarely do I need more speed than the 32x11x26" gives, I just don't care about this stuff....
Way cool for somebody I am sure....
Me I will likely run this 10sp 32x11-42 setup till I die.. or something similar as it wears out.
  • + 1
 @wakidesigns have you ever heard of the diffusion of innovation curve? Innovators, early adopters, early majority, late majority and laggards.
Where do you sit on this curve? My money says the late end, but you will - I'm sure prove - me wrong
  • + 1
 Bought 6" Nomad with 1,5 head tube in 2007 saying it's good enough for roughest tracks, challenging DH bikes. Bought 10speed and Reverb in 2010. 1x since 2010. Clutch rear mech as soon as they hit CRC warehouse. Tubeless since 2009, N/W chainring directly, Minion Exo tyres as soon as they came out, same with 4 piston saint brakes or Guides. Rode E-bike, fatbike and 29+ bike by the first possible occasion. I see no sense in giving any credit for early adopters - 650B early adopters are laughable, sram eagle is great for geriatrics who are too proud to ride E-bikes. Too much mistaking of innovation with minor resizing with uncheckable effects.
  • + 1
 If someone has so many slow twitch muscle fibers, that he spins so fast for so long, he should try road biking, running or triathlon. He is wasting his potential in MTB.
  • + 1
 "how Shimano chooses to respond"

I have a feeling that they knew that Eagle was coming (wasn't that much of a secret), and they preemptively addressed it:

Feb 29, XT cassettes will be available in 11-46 - www.pinkbike.com/news/shimano-tweaks-11-speed-offerings-2016.html
Feb 10, Price dro of high end groups (in USA mostly) - www.bicycleretailer.com/north-america/2016/02/10/shimano-slashes-component-pricing
  • + 1
 front they don't work perfectly all the time unless maintaince is performed fairly often. Front derailleurs are a much cheaper way to get the widest range of gearing on a bike. On the other hand, 1x systems are limited especially on 27.5 wheeled bikes as they don't provide enough top speed to keep up with a single speed on the flats. You need at least three to four more teeth on a chainring to equal the same speed on a 27.5 as a 29er. Check out bike calc.com and research it yourself.
  • + 2
 Why would I pay for another rear sprocket from the worlds shifting company that seem to have turned our sport into money making scam . I'm running XT 1x10, and i'm not using half the gears on that.
  • + 1
 I have a group xx1 working perfectly in my fatbike, but the range is not enough for me. I am excited with the possibilities of the 12 speeds, but I want to throw a question:

If I install a new chainring (XX1 or XO1 12-s) on my current XX1 cranks (actually with 11-s chainring), and install the new components X01 Eagle or XX1 Eagle 12-s (chain, derailleur and cassette), it should work properly. What do think about?
  • + 3
 Well done Sram. For me the are well ahead of shimano for this type of tech. The 1x11 on my bike has been absolutely faultless. Giving the 50 tooth option is great. Nice one .
  • + 2
 @Matt76 I swear its only the brits who love it?... despite our shit AF conditions.. and the grinding when you've gone through a deep, sloppy welsh puddle.... the bastard just WONT f*ckING DIE!!.. and for that.. thank you Sram.. you are awesome.
  • + 4
 Just wait until someone mates the 10-50T cassette to a 2x ring setup. What a gear range you'll have then....
  • + 1
 Instead of more cogs, Shimano should be designing cassettes/derailleurs that can smoothly shift with bigger jumps between adjacent cogs. On my trails, I'm always dumping or jumping a minimum of 2 gears at a time. 48-40-32-24-18-15-13-11 with a 34 up front and no xD driver. All the range anyone needs and 4 cogs lighter than Eagle. Also, with these new drivetrains allowing for bigger chainrings, the FS bikes aren't going to climb as well due to lower anti-squat.
  • + 1
 How about 1x12 for my road bike?
10-12-14-15-16-17-18-20-23-27-32-40 with a 42t chainring, preferably 110 and 130bcd chainring standards so stupid-light cranks still work.
electronic shift availability desired so I can shift from the aero or the drops.
At 61 I need near 1:1 just to get up my driveway, which I used to do in 50-18 fixed. And I need aero so I can still average 19mph to work on the best days. Look at the desired cogs; the 42-16 is what you would use for 19-20 mph, right in the middle of the close ratio.

I have a rohloff, bought 15 years ago; the bottom 7 gears are joyless riding and life is much better when the bike is a joy to ride.

Yes I know proper shifting technology started on the mountain and progressed to the road. Let it happen again.
  • + 1
 I Hope to god that new mounting bold hardwear with the bushing in it makes its way to XO1DH ! I literally would go through a hanger or two a day in the bike park last year because of the stupid bolt backing out and then getting to a point theres barely any surface area on the b tension plate and then would punch through.
  • + 4
 Would have been way more impressed if they came out with an 8 speed cassette with a 10-50 range.
  • + 1
 How can a working father with 2 kids, 3 dogs and a mortgage keep a modern up to date bike? When the high $ stuff finally trickles down the bike companies come out with updates and upgrades. I'm always a step behind and a dollar short.
  • + 1
 @identiti124 remember when you said i'd never be able to set up a 10 speed using my old front ring and some less than expensive stuff none of which that matched?

that was a looong time ago now look at this crazy 12 speed stuff. bet i could set one of these up ghetto and itll work fine Razz
  • + 3
 I bought a Yeti SB66 with a 1x11

The next week, they release the SB6 and discontinue any 26" in their lineup

Now this..... You know what cycling industry, f*ck you
  • + 1
 Same range as a double but without the most pain-in-the-ass component in the history of the bicycle? Sounds like an OK deal. I could give up my chainring collection that I keep around depending on the terrain I'm riding/racing.
  • + 1
 hmm i suppose 1 x 13 is better than 13 x 1 lol......1x10 for me seems fine in fact so did 1x9 but hey gotta say that gold would go ace with my nice gold kmc ti nitride chain and kashima stanchions and rear shock.....god im so materialistic lol...someone please make a gold coloured 1x10 cassete for reasonable money
  • + 1
 I currently run a 1x11 (34t front chain ring and a 11-40T cassette)

This seems almost perfect for me and the trails I ride. However, I've been wanting to upgrade my XT cassette to the 11-42 just to make a few climbs more "enjoyable"

With the release of 44t and 50t I keep thinking about slapping a 36T on the front and going HAM. I like that idea.
  • + 4
 HA, what a bunch of waffle. I'd like to meet the person who can regularly spin out a 36x10.
  • + 5
 Jerome clementz is at most races, introduce yourself next time you see him.
  • + 2
 Pretty much any Pro EWS racer and even down to local Pro's. I wore out my 10t running a 36t chainring.
  • + 1
 2 X 10 is ok for me although I'd rather have a 1 X 10 on my next? bike. Lets face it - our bikes are becoming more like MX bikes and WILL eventually be even more like them, For the price given for the 12...... I can afford a bike with a gearbox. I would also like a 650B back wheel and a 29 front. 6.5 inches at each end and a rear pivot that maintains the wheelbase lrnth of the bike when compressed! Also a case of NEW COCA COLA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • + 1
 I thought maybe the PB crew posted an April Fool's joke early! Quite simple; the extreme chain line is going to cause more wear on the cassette and chain. Thus, you will need to buy replacement parts more often. SRAM wins! If my 5spot ever dies, I will post a pic of my new gearbox equipped AM bike. SRAM and the other big guys are running the release early, release often game and I think it may actually be starting to tarnish the brand name(s) as a whole.
  • + 2
 Reminds me a lot of Apple products. I would like some innovation not just adding another gear or a touch more memory every year. Stop holding back and just hit the market with something new and radical already.
  • + 3
 I always love the sentence about new gear: "The new model is slightly smaller/bigger/narrower..." Which makes it totally incompatible with previous standard.
  • + 1
 Or why not just keep things simpler, burlier and less precision sensitive by bringing it back to 9 or 10 speed and increase the tooth count between each ring minutely... More is not always better... More is generally and simply put more complicated and leaving more room for error... Why does anyone even need each mini interval anyways... So unnecessary.
  • + 1
 I still wonder why they keep the 3/32" inner width for chains?
Move to 2mm and keep the same chain strength, allowing more cogs in less width.
Oh it will requires steel cogs and platter for sure, as Aluminium could bend with such width.
  • + 1
 Actually chains haven't been 3/32" for quite a long time... nine speed went to 11/128 inch inner width and that's the same for ten and eleven speed chains.
  • + 1
 I've been running a XO1 1X11 set up with a 32T chainring for a number of years and rarely use the 42T cog. A 50T cog means bigger chainring though I'm not sure I want to go any faster down my local tracks. I agree with your comments Mike regarding SRAM's claims around increased durability - I'm going broke replacing the cassette, chains and chainring that seem to wear out on a annual basis. How about some innovation into durability for high end products. Nice write up.
  • + 4
 $420 for a cassette?! You must be high to buy it at that price
  • + 0
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  • + 1
 I had a feeling when RC wrote that article about how drive trains are better in even numbers that this was due! Right on ill wait for the trickle down 1x11 is still all good nice to have options.
  • + 1
 this'd be sick on the monstercross bike i'm planning on building as i could be a 46 to 50 on the front and gain some serious top end, as it was going to be a 42 with the 42-10 on the back.
  • + 3
 I'll wait until they come out with the 1×15 driver train before I switch..Should be in a month or so
  • + 0
 Planned obsolescence? I have often wondered if that is the case in shifting technology. Seem like if you released a 14 speed drivetrain you would have a huge edge over the competition, but maybe they are just sitting in a vault somewhere waiting to be used?

Then again does when does adding gears start to add little to no benefit and actually start to hurt the products strength and performance? How big will hub spacing have to get? When is it we will just get smaller and smaller gaps between gears? Is the latter already upon us?

For now my ten speed drivetrain suffices for me, but I am also not the one you would market brand new products to. Especially if they offer little to no benefit over cheap used parts.
  • + 1
 I should add it could easily be the case they have not done anything above 12.
  • + 0
 "Twelve speeds that is - both groups are based around a massive looking, 10-50 tooth cassette. Called 'Eagle', the project initially began with the goal of improving SRAM's current 1x11 offerings, but also to fuel the tears of unfathomable sadness from mountain bikers who don't need 12 freakin' speeds. Who does, anyway? No one, but since SRAM's ultimate goal is to deliver more useless range on a single cassette, and to increase the already deafening level of whining in the mountain biking community, the eagle delivers."
  • + 2
 Sorry to disappoint but i have to respectfully disagree with you. Depending on the terrain and riding style there might be a few riders needing this. Am not sure about the gear number but the range is welcomed.
  • + 2
 I was being completely sarcastic. People may or may not need 12 gears; I certainly understand the logic, but the market will ultimately determine if it's something people see value in. My point is that is that the mountain biking community is deeply cynical, and the response to any new product is generally whining.
  • + 2
 You are right over there! Wait, try and the judge is the best approach to this. nobody forces anybody to buy something anyway. i still have my 26er with 2x10 and massively enjoy it. But when the time comes to change, its nice to know that things have progressed. Makes the next bike purchase even more sweeter. Of course this innovation has to be done with some kind of moderation,and with consideration to the rider. Not a new frame standard every 2 months lets say.
  • + 2
 Agreed^^^^^
  • + 1
 Okay its official. I bought a new ibis hd3 exactly a year ago and the entire thing is obsolete from tire size, frame fit 4 dampers ect. and on up to drive train. maybe we should just start leasing these high end bikes.
  • + 2
 If you all don't want to ride like the freest, most amazing, most fearsome bird in the world ever, then don't buy this. Simple as that.
  • + 2
 30 x 50 range, FFS, that is ridiculous!!

I'm currently running 34 x One-Up 44, so I could go to a 38t front with this beast and give the mid range gears a better work outSmile
  • + 0
 DEAR SRAM and bike industry,

We don't like proprietary parts! It only limits us to what we can use and that sucks! I ride your 1x11 Sram drivetrain which needs a XD driver that doesn't provide any added benefits except I have to pay extra for more SRAM parts. I can't switch to Shimano unless pay more for parts. Your cassettes, chainrings, and whole drivetrain parts are over priced and wear out easily. Quality doesn't meet the standards of other bike components.

As a side note, I ride a giant with a 1.5 steer tube. No company in their right mind is going to make that size stem and no other companies are following this trend. Do I feel a difference from a taper steer tube? No. I had to buy an overpriced stem from Giant.

STOP IT WITH THESE TWEAKS THAT DON'T DO ANYTHING!!

I'm going out to ride now.

Peace out!
  • + 2
 I had the same trouble stripping my old Trance with the 1'1/4" Revelation.. luckily someone wasn't paying attention to eBay, settled outside and realised their mistake soon after. I'm with you on the forks.. but honestly.. Ive had no wear issues with either the XX1 on the old bike or the X1/X01 mix on the current Reign.. if anything.. I'm having less issues than before.. Im ultra impressed with the rings and the cassette and chain just WONT DIE... and I'm not cleaning her that thoroughly... Maybe I'm not powerful enough... maybe the Welsh hills aint steep or long enough.. but for me, now I'm in the cult.. I won't be leaving out of personal choice anytime soon!
  • + 1
 I'm a fan of single ring up front, but is 11, 12, 13-speed really necessary? Hasn't the point of diminishing returns been reached?

I still wish 10 speed was getting more refined, not the newest 12 speed system.
  • + 1
 CEO: uh, Chuck, as our Marketing Specialist, we've exhausted our innovations pool. What have you got planned to boost our sales for 2017?
CHUCK: Hmmm? ... ... ... I've got it!! Introduce another gear!
CEO: Brilliant!!!
  • + 4
 I stick to 1 x 9-10 speed , its enough , and cheap as sweets!
  • + 4
 SKU fatigue has set in. I no longer care about this crap.
  • + 4
 The nightmare is real lol
  • + 1
 Before you drop $1000 on this drivetrain be aware of this issue: mark.kasaboski.com/sram-eagle-drivetrain-out-of-sync-issue.html

I can't speak for the XX1 as I haven't tested it yet, but the X01 is flawed.
  • + 2
 I think having a 1x12 drive train would be epic, I'd be cool if they went further as well; I don't see the harm in having more gears.
  • + 4
 I´d rather get a good second-hand HT for that price
  • + 4
 crankbrothers is going to have to flip their logo around
  • + 2
 I have a simple question. Will my XX1 11sp cranks from 2 years ago work with this system? Then the upgrade would be chain cassette derailleur and shifter "only"...
  • + 1
 It does look good in gold. Far out of my price range though, and I don't need a 500% range. But if you do, go for it, it looks great!
  • + 2
 Why would they go to 1x12 with a 50t cog and leave that nasty 8t jump at the lower end?
  • + 2
 I love this, new parts coming out left right and centre... until I try and sell an 11 spd drivetrain
  • + 1
 not interesting..all i need is pair strong leg..
11 12 13 14..
but good looking drivetrain..are they still shining after get in the muddy track?
  • + 1
 not interesting..all i need is pair strong leg..
11 12 13 14..
but good looking drivetrain..are they still shining after get in the muddy track?
  • + 1
 So the cassette wights 455 and is only 87 grams heavier that than the 11 speed, didn't it weight 260 grams
Someone explain this shit?
  • + 1
 Good catch - the cassette weighs 355 grams. I've updated the article.
  • + 1
 Just wait for 1x20, don't pay for each incremental jump every year or two. Actually, just get stronger! I'll stick with my 1x10 thank you!
  • + 1
 Love all the hater comments. We all benefit when new and revised stuff comes to market. Enjoy the ever-expanding selection of stuff for all MTB to enjoy.
  • + 2
 SRAM just stop already, please just stop. no one likes you and you're trying to hard
  • + 3
 All I want is 10speed 11-40... Or 9speed. Doesnt matter.
  • + 2
 My first thought was, "man, the PB comments are gonna be fun". I was not wrong.
  • + 2
 eagle vs shark! thats a great movie ... do you get it? eagle (sram) vs shark (one up) :-)
  • + 1
 Will this fit on my single speed? HaHaHa! This is the natural evolution of the 1x, but nothing that anyone really needs to run unless it comes as OEM spec.
  • + 1
 It's kind of a cheap move for sram to piggyback off the new movie, Eddie the Eagle. Just the 0.2 of an online marketing mogul.
  • + 3
 It's called eagle cuz gold chains are fly
  • + 1
 Take front der. that's suspended weight and add that weight to the rear wheel's unsuspended weight: Sram XX 10spd cass. weigh 185-205gr - Eagle 355gr.
  • + 2
 theres going to be a rash or RSI complaints if they keep going at this rate..
  • + 1
 They finally succeeded: a 1x that is as heavy as 2x and still has less range than 2x does!!!!!!!

(Won't comment on the ridiculous switch to 12 speed: what a joke!)
  • + 2
 Take that spacing and make your hubs wider jerks. 10 gears are fine. I'd much rather a stiffer wheel.
  • + 2
 Meanwhile at Shimano HQ; "hey guys lets just go back to 10 speed that worked the best."
  • + 2
 Shimano like 'We're driving the 1x11 market with our new 11-46T Cassette.' Sram like 'Cool story bro.'
  • + 3
 I hope Shimano responds with affordable XT Di2
  • + 2
 Death to the front derailleur!! ..... And long live front chainguide? Did I miss something?
  • + 3
 Because my chain line with 11 speed wasn't terrible enough.
  • + 2
 Shit I'm still ridding a 1x10 should I go hang myself right now ? I feel like I wasted my life now ...
  • + 4
 Probably...or reap the benefits of dirt cheap XT cassettes.
  • + 1
 And I'm doing so on a 26". I'm pretty sure I should be the first to step in front of this on-coming train
  • + 2
 Pinkbike might run out of content for April 1st if they keep posting stuff like this too early. 1x9 isn't dead.
  • + 2
 4x longer lifespan on a chainring is a pretty huge claim. Would be interested to see that.
  • + 2
 It's gold, its gold, its gold, its gold, its solid gold Baby! Can I paint the 50 tooth ring gold too, its kinda my thing
  • + 2
 How 'bout no, you crazy Dutch ba@tard
  • + 3
 The Eagle has landed and it's GOLD....GOLD!!!! I'm sold!
  • + 1
 Dang it I just got a 1x10 boost set up. I'm so far behind the times. Heck even my computer is really just a modified Lite Brite.
  • + 1
 Will they accept a trade in of my unbelievably expensive 1 x 11 drivetrain now that they have pissed on it with this 1 x 12 set up, F#CK SAKE!
  • + 4
 I don't think you should be upset by this. You can now get your unbelievably expensive 1x11 drivetrain parts for less money.
  • + 12
 Your 1x11 drivetrain is EXACTLY as good as it was yesterday. Another product being released doesn't diminish the quality of the product you have except in your mind.
  • + 6
 Yeah dude. Any time a company releases an improved product they're legally required to give it to anyone who bought last year's model. Didn't you know that? Your demands are totally reasonable.
  • + 1
 I was only pissing about, I love my 1 x 11 but sometimes my knees ache for another gear so I guess this is the solution, if it makes the 1 x 11 less expensive then its all good!
  • + 1
 If you were SRAM, why in the world would you charge less for 11 speed parts at this time? There's no real alternative to buying them OEM and plenty of people need them. I'll believe that shit when I see it.
  • + 2
 Whats wrong with 2*11/36..never has a problem last forever..nice & quiet..wats all da fuss about..
  • + 1
 I run two separate 1x10's with 11-36s on both bikes. Its money.
  • + 0
 Must be something to do with evolution, folks' legs going all supermodel-skinny and wibbly-wobbly. It's the only explanation I can think of.
  • + 2
 No "In Loving Memory" of the 11 speed?

Huge marketing miss!
  • + 0
 I'm a bit disappointed in the product. I was really expecting them to come out with something a bit more expensive :rolleyes:
  • + 1
 the industry cant even keep up with itself. slow your roll boys and girls....
  • + 0
 ok ok i figured out how THIS will work! when its too feckin wet to ride
i can use a 50 t cog to ride up & over my wood piles in the backyard!
sweet!
  • + 2
 And SRAM broke the internet !!!
  • + 1
 'People getting used to these things slowly has made it easier for us'...to make hordes more cash
  • + 2
 I'm happy if it means everything else gets cheaper Smile
  • - 1
 Lmao. Just picked up a shiny new trance 2 with a 2x10 drive train. I need to go throw my new whip into the dumpster so I don't clowned by the fat rich peeps with 5k+ rigs on the trails. FML!
  • + 1
 Is there going to be an in-between 46 or are the options only 11 w/ 42 or 12 w/50?
  • + 1
 Don't know why anyone would bring up Donald "Douchebag" Trump up on here but what a worthless wastev
  • + 1
 Clearly, the real reason for the new chainring is so you can't flip it over and get another life out of it. :-)
  • + 2
 Thank god I was still riding 1x10????
  • + 0
 WOW! I was on here like ten minutes ago and this article didn't exist. Now there's already like a bajillion comments. This must be crazy wild news!
  • + 0
 If they can make a 355 gram 10-50 cassette where all but the 50 are steel, why can't they make an all steel 10-42 that's around 300g?
  • + 1
 Bought 5 bikes in the last 5 years.
Each one more up-dated than the last.

F*ck this.

Going to Motocross.
  • + 0
 Will to top EWS riders run these? thinking of the added weight... (Didn’t read all the comments, maybe someone else already asked.)
  • + 2
 We'll see soon, but Jerome Clementz will be running Eagle, and more than likely additional riders when it becomes more readily available.
  • + 1
 I wonder if Schurter will be running it this season. EDIT: NEVERMIND, he's already post a pic of him with it on his bike lol.
  • + 2
 Why 'Eagle'?...'Merica, that's why.
  • + 1
 Anyone that needs more than 11 teeth in the back is weak and should just quit biking... sarc
  • + 1
 i will look back on this day later as one of the most dramatic pinkbike "breaking news" discussion forums. i love pinkbike
  • + 2
 One ring to rule them all...
  • + 0
 @mikekazimer : My biggest concern with the 50t is the rear suspension action.Did you notice any unusual behavior concerning this?
ps: thanks for the write-up!
  • + 3
 status symbol drivetrain
  • + 1
 Great, now there'll be able to ride even slower, riding fast and scaring yourself is where the fun is, not spinning up hills
  • + 1
 Luckily the big wheel trend picked up, else we would end with cogs the same size as the wheels
  • + 1
 What about the size of the derailleur cage?
Isn't anyone worried about that thing getting smacked around on the trail?
  • + 1
 SRAM's top secret: 5 x 1 in 2020.
Front mech with perfect indexing and less unsprung weight in the back.
  • + 2
 Finally.... something that will match Renthal stuff.
  • + 1
 I'm super glad Sram released this new setup. Now Replacing my 11 speed stuff will start becoming much cheaper.
  • + 2
 Spinal Tap are going to be well p!ssed as theirs only went up to 11.
  • + 0
 fear not..some taiwanese contract mfr will have a version out for lots less no time, but...you'll be able to get it all in assorted anodized colors!!
  • + 2
 with finest gold :v
its "RACUN" Lol
  • + 1
 screw cassettes, screw gearboxes....... why not an internal hub based bottom bracket?
  • + 1
 Am I the only one that would prefer an all blacked out eagle drivetrain over the gold?
  • + 2
 I love how people hate stuff they don't have to buy.
  • + 2
 Can I use my tripple chainset with this?
  • + 1
 This is crazy before you know it the cassette is going to be the same size of the wheel
  • + 1
 And in a few months shimano will reveal 12 speed XTR that works better with everyone elses freehub body splines...
  • + 5
 Cool story
  • + 1
 @mikelevy
Can you clarify if you can use a 1x11 chainring with eagle or do you have to change the chainring as well?
  • + 1
 Well, if it is GOLD PLATED expect to see our buddy hikers in the middle of the trail holding metal detectors 8~()
  • + 1
 its purpose it that you can ride a bigger chainring in front and still get up the hills and still have a fast sprint
  • + 2
 First ride 2017 new sram 128 speed...caman
  • + 1
 Cool means I can drink way more the night before and still make it up the hill
  • + 1
 I'd totally buy this if it didn't cost as much as my first complete bike with an x0 grouppo
  • + 1
 Dont like it? Dont buy it. If you're not innovating your products you're on the right track to going out of business.
  • + 2
 One and done. Single speed life
  • + 2
 I am waiting for the 1x14 my 2x18 is better!
  • + 2
 are you f$#king kiddding me !?
  • + 1
 Looks like going chain less will save me about $1000. Done.
  • + 1
 At least we are moving closer and closer to internal gearing I suppose
  • + 1
 Sram goes to 12 in an attempt to make your bank account go to zero.
  • + 1
 Finally, a group that Jey Clementz and Jay-Z can both endorse.
  • + 1
 I thought 11 was too many
  • + 2
 STUPID
  • + 1
 Sure, there'll be 50 speed in a moment...
  • + 2
 One word : gearbox.
  • + 7
 Two words:
Mechanical efficiency.
  • + 5
 More words: plenty of gearbox-equipped bikes on the market. Put your money where your mouth is.
  • + 1
 Plenty of DH and enduro bikes. A few hardtails. Not so many pedally bikes. The mechanical efficiency is still less than a standard derailleur setup. Sorry, I wish it wasn't the case. But if we magically found a way to make gearboxes with comparable efficiency to a derailleur drive, your car would be getting about 5% better mileage.
  • + 3
 True that, XC racers won't use gearboxes any time soon. TBH I do somewhat like the idea of a gearbox, but that constant whining about them on PB while they really are available (I assume most PB users buy DH/Enduro bikes anyway) really grinds my gears. With some guys here being so vocal, I can't understand why they wouldn't support the idea with their money despite the efficiency shortcomings.
  • + 2
 "grinds my gears" hehhehehe...

I think the real problem is derailleurs are, despite the holy war between sram and shimano, really fuggin good these days. About their only two failings are shifting under load and vulnerability to rocks.

Gearboxes, while neat and awesome, are still heavy, inherently less efficient, and a bit of a challenge for frame design.

Don't get me wrong, I would love nothing more than a gearbox that, while maybe being a bit pricier than the derailleur setup, could match them for efficiency and compatibility, but that's asking for a huge amount of engineering fairy dust. Dunno, I've though of some ideas but there's always obstacles.
  • + 2
 Hahah, pun half-intended Wink Agreed on how good derailleurs are today. I haven't even got a high-end one, just a Zee and it just... is there and does its job. I could think of better places for improvements on my bike at this point.
  • + 1
 So... I should have said : "gearbox as good as our current drivetrains." But it was too long.

And @bananowy : my money is on singlespeeds. And "good'ol" 1x10. I just think that with the current level of engineering displaying on this really nice Eagle group the two big of transmission could certainly put on the market a fuc**ing good gearbox.
  • + 1
 Oh please Sram, Shimano was just about to plainly keep up with 11...
  • + 1
 You guys are one week early on this release
  • + 1
 Wait... I'm still running running 3x9, when did we all go 1x?
  • + 1
 Seriously 12 speed is out already ??? Eek
  • + 0
 Genuinely thought this was an April Fools' spoof when I started reading... but it's a week early...
  • + 1
 You may need to delve (dove?) deeper into your dictionary next time.
  • + 1
 I told you 1x12 was coming out. Haha. Wait for 1x13.
  • + 1
 Couldn't help but notice that they mention every detail except price ...
  • + 1
 Where is the download upgrade for my year old XX1 11 speed?
  • + 1
 Kind of like my 3x9, 2x8, and 1x9 DH setup better
  • + 2
 SIMPLE IS BEST
  • + 1
 I ride a 1x10 with 32t front and 11-36t rear, and it's fine.
  • + 1
 I apologize. I didnt mean single speed, I meant 1x 29er
  • + 2
 No thanks
  • + 1
 pop corn already got,come on fellas
  • + 1
 Hmmmm.... Let's hear these comments....
  • + 0
 god just kill me before its too late wait... there is no god just 12 deadly sins.
  • + 1
 11, where can you go from there? These go to 12. Must be good, surely.
  • + 0
 They could at least put them on a better looking bikes, those two are just yuck :o
  • + 0
 Do we *REALLY* need 1x12 drivetrains? OK, next are the 28.559 wheels, because it's newer and necessarily BETTER!
  • + 1
 Longer rear mechs = more broken rear mechs.
  • + 1
 Shotgun the backseat with popcorn
  • - 3
 SRAM will have had this sat on the shelf for a while. You can bet the board room conversation went like this.......

"Boss, the new 12 speed is ready. Shall we announce it?"

"No, we better wait until after Shimano kick our arse with their first 11 speed groupset. That way the dentists will still think we are the best."

"Good plan Boss, we could even paint it gold and charge more for it!"
  • + 4
 Why does pinkbike's user base hate wealthy people? Life ain't fair, if you can't afford it then there's always someone who can, no need to hate them for it
  • + 1
 I have no hate for wealthy people (at least not real world wealthy, your trumps/rothschilds etc are a different story). I'm merely saying that the modern mountain biker is far more likely to desire the latest drivetrain than they are to desire learning a new skill or getting fitter. The product manufacturers know this so now our sport is descending into big business corprate bullshit!
  • + 1
 At least the cassette doesn't weigh 500+ grams
  • + 1
 Jerome Clementz has already this drivetrain ...
  • - 2
 Wow. Strong statement on how good the drivetrain is. I bet he would ride 3x8 if the sponsor request it.
  • + 2
 Waiting for 1x27
  • + 7
 Waiting for 1x27,5 duuuuuuuude !
  • + 1
 Perfect now I can buy 1x11 cheaper Smile
  • + 2
 Gearbox. We want it.
  • + 5
 Then go buy it and stop whining: pinion.eu/en/bicycle-manufacturers You have a bunch of options there and that is just with the pinion.
  • + 1
 Measly 12 speed. Come awn sram I am expecting 36 speed
  • + 1
 i Got 8 speed...mainly using 3-4-6-7 nothing else
  • - 2
 Why?

What inclines are people riding up? 34t chainring with a 10 speed cassette with top cog been a 23t. This is my only bike and it's a pivot point 4x, the only thing I struggle on with climbs is the low seat height.
  • + 2
 Gold 7 speed please.
  • + 1
 50t cog is stupid, will need massive chainring with less ground clearance
  • + 2
 It's not April yet...
  • + 1
 Och ££££££££££££ wife just left me )))
  • + 1
 i'm finally upgrading for 2x10... is it something wrong with me ?!
  • + 1
 Yip another here who is over this. Gearbox for me
  • + 1
 way to make me feel hipster: i still ride 2x9 with bashguard..
  • + 0
 Minor detail, but the 'what do I need' section should include a chain, too.
  • + 1
 Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed.
  • + 1
 $400 cassette... I knew you could do it (again) Sram!
  • + 1
 Where's the shifter picture and review??
  • + 0
 whats so good about gold, I can zinc coat my cassette any colour to suit any bike colour
  • + 0
 At that price, I expect a gearbox witch I can bolt onto a normal bike, not a derailleur witch can be broken at any time....
  • - 1
 Some didn't realise that it's not the 50t cog for climbing here the issue but instead the use of a bigger ring up front. I don't mind the negative props.
  • + 0
 wait...... what if this is just an elaborate april fools joke on the whole industry......
  • + 1
 ok, let's wait for 15x1 with 60T cog ))))
  • + 0
 I only will buy this if the 10 speed quick link fits, because, you know, I have yet 5 spares of this.
  • + 1
 A Gold cassette to go with my Gold Chain...yay!
  • + 0
 This is actually very good news, the price of 1x11 will go down, you don't have to buy the 1x12
  • + 1
 yes! a type 3 clutch you can adjust.
  • + 1
 On a normal ride I use about 6 gears of my 10 speed cassette now.
  • + 2
 only $1500 ?!
  • + 3
 ... USD
  • + 1
 This is getting out of hand...
  • + 0
 Good that the xx1 and xo1 cassettes=same weight. Black or gold= good options
  • + 0
 didnt anyone see this coming?!? after boost i saw this a mile off.... no need to act all surprised and outraged.
  • + 1
 Keep sucking the marketing sack, just don't swallow.
  • + 1
 Anyone else need a drink, to much butter on my popcorn
  • + 1
 1x12?!?! I'm still over here rocking 1x9 like meh it still works....
  • + 0
 @mikekazimer Correct sprocket numbers:10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 21, 24, 28, 32, 36, 42, 50
  • + 1
 Cant wait to get 12 speeds onto my plus bike!
  • - 3
 There is no point increasing form . insert current gearing> and sram have just made insert new groupset> to take money from us and set up the new world order (shhsssss illuminati, triangles everywhere in the new groupset)

I'll never use anything other than my pick > 2x > 3x> 1x10>11>12> is stupid marketing.

Anyone who doesn't use insert massive front chain ring> single speed is week and pathetic.

That about covers it.

Oh yeah forgot about

Wheel insert number> is lame
  • + 2
 I like Turtles
  • + 2
 jeb bush is that you?
  • + 0
 I don't see what the big deal is about this. I have 20 gears on my freehub and have since 1999. Sram get with it
  • + 1
 I need a 11-42t 10 speed at a Deore price range. When is that coming?
  • + 1
 Could this be the Donald Trump of drivetrains?
  • + 2
 2034 : 26 speed ? x)
  • + 1
 Until it's on pinkbike buysell, it's not on my bike
  • + 1
 Until its stock on my new complete I'm not caring. I hope this all gets sorted in the next decade before I buy againSmile
  • + 1
 Erm... its XX2.. surely? .. just saying
  • + 1
 I travelled forward through time. I'm riding a 60t. Pfft..Chumps
  • + 0
 And here I am still using a 1x10 drivetrain. I have a wide range 11-42 10spd cassette tho!
  • + 2
 wow That's it.
  • + 1
 50? One step away from e-bike!
  • + 2
 The Sky is the limit
  • + 1
 No way. Again? Not this time. I am waiting for 13.
  • + 0
 Gold 12-Speed Eagle Drivetrain, hard to keep up with, or justify change, 10-speed still works great
  • + 1
 Cool, I think sunrace FALCON shifters are compatiple.
  • + 1
 what's next? 1X 13,14, 15?
  • + 2
 Shimano who?
  • + 2
 Scoff.
  • + 0
 Early April Fool's right @mikekazimer ?
  • + 1
 SPINAL TAP going to 12!!
  • + 1
 Whatever.
  • + 1
 Great stuff!
  • + 1
 ew
  • + 0
 YA I AM still a 9 speed idiot and extremely happy
  • + 1
 *Groans*
  • + 0
 Could the roadies go down to 1 ring with this?
  • + 0
 Is the bike going to explode when you backpedal on the 50 cog?
  • + 0
 I will leave my girlfriend for this gold...
  • + 1
 4 by 12 stock? @europe
  • + 1
 1200 for a gold turd
  • + 0
 let me guess? next year will be 13 speed. what a joke!!
  • + 3
 or at the pace it is currently happening, it would be in 2020. 11 speed has been out for 4 years
  • + 1
 O...... thanks for the 11 speed history lesson. I really need to spend more time researching my facts before I made a funny on PB!
  • + 0
 At least it's affordable....Where's the GX version?
  • + 1
 Hard pass
  • + 0
 Just wait for Scams next big event 3x12. LOL
  • + 0
 no kidding.
  • + 6
 I know right? I wish they would have stopped with new cool bike parts with 7 speed and v-brakes. All this new stuff really takes the "feel" out of riding. Suspension is the worst invention ever. My 1998 rs Judy is perfect. Elastomers for life bitches.
  • - 11
flag MojoMaujer (Mar 24, 2016 at 10:18) (Below Threshold)
 Sunrigle, you don't know anything about the history of SRAM. So be quiet. They did not invent anything. They just buy companies. And transform a good product in garbage I.e. Gripshift etc etc. they launched and recalled so much stuff in the past three years alone. Never heard Campagnolo or shimano taking off the market anything because it did not work. SRAM bla bla bla for weak minds
  • + 5
 @MojoMaujer. You are 100% right. Campy for sure leads the pack with innovation. Heck I bet SRAM doesn't even have engineers. I think they just have 3d printers. Ya they totally copied grip shift too. Gosh. I don't even know where they got their name either? Is it an arcanum for something. Maybe you can help me out with some SRAM history?
  • - 8
flag MojoMaujer (Mar 24, 2016 at 10:56) (Below Threshold)
 Go to bed kiddo. Or talk to ppl your leval.
  • + 3
 Comment of the year right there.
You mean you truly don't know the history of SRAM. I'm waiting to learn?
  • + 2
 It's an acronym for Simon, Robert, Andrew and Mark or something like that. It's four names anyway
  • + 2
 Maybe you should go and learn to spell, tosser.
  • + 1
 @mojomaujer You should probably just learn how to set up your bike and adjust your drivetrain so you aren't so negative and arrogant about everything sucking. There's a few companies out there that would rather give their customers the shaft before admiting that their product is defective.
  • - 1
 You shouldn't judge by it's cover but you absolutely should judge something if it looks like the hunchback of notre damme.
  • + 0
 All this, just to replace it with a gearbox.
  • + 4
 Gearboxes and bikes with them are already available. If you want one, why don't you just buy one?
  • + 6
 @bananowy Because whining.
  • + 0
 Guys, I understand that gearboxes are in existence. I'm just stating that I think we'll all be off drivetrains like this and riding gearboxes down the line. Many folks are just now being introduced to the bicycle gearbox (myself included) and they will trickle into the market over the coming years.
  • - 1
 Ok guys, i am willing to take your outdated 1x11 groupset for usd$150 as a generosity, any givers?
  • + 0
 Did I read that right? No 34t X-sync 2 chainrings?
  • + 3
 Must be a typo, the picture is of a 34T!
  • + 1
 A rich man's drivetrain!
  • + 0
 yawn
  • + 1
 its 24k finest gold Big Grin
  • + 0
 Please, make it stop!!
  • - 1
 can't wait to get my hand on my 1 x 18 drivetrain in 2022.
  • + 0
 They already have those, they are called ebikes
  • + 0
 One week early. Damn.
  • - 1
 If they make a gold 1*10 11-40t, I'll buy it.
  • - 1
 Glad my brand new Yeti SB5 is outdated now. Thanks!
  • + 4
 Yuck! Give it away (to me)
  • - 1
 Isn't it a little early for April fools?
  • + 0
 THE DIRT DOZEN
  • + 0
 Gear box
  • - 1
 Meh
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