Stan's NoTubes Re-Invents the Clincher Mountain Bike Rim

Jun 23, 2014
by Richard Cunningham  

Stan s Notubes Hugo 52 rim-2015

Meet Hugo 52, you may be seeing a lot of him in the future. And if not, he will have inspired us to look at rim design in a whole different way. - Stan's NoTubes photo



The most important product I saw at Dealer Camp in Park City, Utah, was an aluminum rim. Stan's NoTubes was trying to solve the problem of mounting huge tubeless tires to fat bike wheels and in doing so, invented a totally new rim design. The Hugo 52 rim separates the tire beads between a tubular central structure in the rim which carries all the major bending and torsional loads forces. The tire beads are mounted on tiny low-flange wings that extend from either side of the tubular structure. Hugo 52 rims and wheels are designed for mid-sized "Plus" fat bikes, but the ramifications of the design are certain to cross over to all clincher-type wheels.

Stan s Notubes Hugo 52 rim-2015

A cross-section of the 52-millimeter-wide Hugo rim shows the tubular core, flanked by lowered bead wells for each side of the tire and the bead locks which capture the tire against the rim's flanges. The tire is installed by slipping it over the outside of the entire rim, and then popping each bead into the Hugo rim in the conventional way.



The raised central tube and the rim flanges are designed at the same height, so if the tire is flattened against the rim by an impact, the force of the blow is distributed across a wide area. Theoretically, that will reduce or nearly eliminate pinch flats and carcass bruises. The fact that each tire bead has its own "rim well" allows the beads to sit exactly where they need to be to air up without trouble. Finally, the locking section that is built into the rim flanges retains the tire should it go flat. To further stabilize a flat or low tire, the center of the tread is supported by the raised rectangular spine in the center of the rim. While the Hugo 52 rim is far from a fully developed concept, it could be the most important development for the bicycle wheel for the past 100 years.


Stan's NoTubes designed the Hugo 52 rims radical profile to solve the difficulty of mounting up fat bike tires in tubeless configuration. The width of conventional fat bike rims allows the jumbo-sized tires to flop around the well in the center of the rim and prevents the beads from spreading out towards its raised edges, where the beads can begin to seal. The Hugo rim's central rectangular tube naturally spreads the beads apart and forces them to remain in an optimal position for inflation. Once the tire is inflated, the beads are fixed in place by locking ridges. Spoke holes in the rectangular section can easily be sealed with Stan's standard-width tape, and its shape helps to direct sealing fluid to the tire's sidewalls and tread crown.

Bead-seating ridges, in combination with wider flange spacing and the rim's raised rectangular spine, all work together to keep the tire on the wheel should it go flat or soft. If a bead is forced off of its locking ridge, it will be guided by the central spine to remain in place, which should greatly stabilize the tire and help to keep it on the rim, instead of wadding up in the frame or fork. Finally, the raised center section can be exploited to support the center tread area of the tire when a flat occurs in the same manner that the inner liner of a run-flat automobile tire does.

Niner ROS Plus with Stan s Notubes Hugo 52 rim-2015

Niner's latest steel hardtail, the ROS-Plus, is based upon the 29-Plus rim and tire combination that the Stan's Hugo 52 was designed for. The mid-sized tire rolls faster on hardpack and pavement, while approaching the cross-terrain capabilities of the more massive fat bike.



Because the spoke holes penetrate the raised, tubular section, the Hugo 52 rim can be easily sealed with a single wrap of tape, used for conventional-width rims. On the bike, the Hugo 52 rim looks deceptively thin, because its support structure is internal. There is no missing the fact that the Hugo wheel is a radically different concept when you see it mounted up to a tire. At present, Stan's NoTubes has no immediate plans to scale the Hugo 52 down for conventional-width tires, but the future applications are definitely being discussed. I believe that the first step for the Hugo design would be a downhill racing wheel. Aaron Gwin's manly, but heartbreaking ride down the mountain on a bare wheel was, in my opinion, yet another display of how foolishly inadequate the present clincher tire and rim interface is for DH competition - or for any type of off-road cycling, for that matter. Meanwhile, the mountain bike industry continues to feed and breathe life into a dead body while its children are starving for a real solution. The good news is that Stan's apparently has invented one. - RC

Stan's NoTubes

Stan s Hugo 52 wheel prices 2015

Stan s Notubes Hugo 52 rim-2015



158 Comments

  • + 123
 This review was wheely good!
  • + 73
 same, it really widened my opinions on rims
  • + 41
 It's as if they have reinvented the wheel.
  • + 34
 Roll on with the wheel related pun times I guess..
  • + 124
 Oh you spoke too soon!
  • + 39
 All these wheel puns are spinning me out
  • + 95
 How true...
  • + 45
 How about we just round it off then...
  • + 67
 I'm getting tyred of these puns.
  • + 55
 Oh the tension.
  • + 46
 Just give me the straight dish on these!
  • + 52
 It's like beading a dead horse already!
  • + 33
 These rims really pump me up
  • + 56
 I hope they're not over-inflating the importance of this revolutionary new design
  • + 83
 I'm hub-solutely appalled by the lack of imagination in these comments. It just seems like we go round and round in circles. Now I'm off to rim the missus.
  • + 40
 It's amazing how these puns tend to come around, personally they give me a quick-release from day to day life.
  • - 442
flag mhoshal (Jun 23, 2014 at 16:06) (Below Threshold)
 You idiots with bike puns need to get a life and go ride instead of thinking of stupid lame ass jokes every time a review comes on here
  • + 52
 Just let it roll mhoshal
  • + 227
 Mhosal's really got his nipples in a twist.
  • + 31
 just roll one up and deflate your bad vibes bro... you're clinching on our humor man
  • + 20
 The large internal width was the clincher for me
  • + 24
 this thread is seriously deflating
  • + 34
 the pressure from trying to come up with a pun has left me flat.
  • + 32
 I don't know if I have the wheel to go on...
  • + 38
 I think what mhoshal needs is a good rimjob.
  • + 18
 yeah this is getting old. I'm going to go watch the tube.
  • + 11
 These new rims will really have me pinned. Job well-did.
  • - 29
flag moefosho (Jun 23, 2014 at 20:37) (Below Threshold)
 This could be a hugo advancement in mountain bike wheels.
  • + 23
 This is spinning out of control...
  • + 18
 Yeah seriously. I'm going to get off PB and go make some tacos.
  • + 7
 Beadless is more.
  • + 17
 What mhoshal said might be true, but its no reason to get all bent out of shape.
  • + 9
 I got a hugo rection.
  • + 13
 I laughed so much reading these comments I needed to do a clincher and run to the tyred old rim...... spoke too soon ... true.....
  • + 17
 To buy these, you'll most likely have to work tirelessly and pinch pennies to keep from deflating your bank roll, unless you're a high roller.
  • - 18
flag nolan805 (Jun 24, 2014 at 0:01) (Below Threshold)
 so many great comments, I'm dying over here hahaha
  • + 23
 come on mate, dont brake the cycle, theres a good chain going
  • + 21
 someone should add some beats to these puns and create a rim tape...
  • + 6
 I'm worried the cycle of puns is deflating.
  • + 20
 It Stans to reason, that in wheel-ality most of the puns on this tread have now been spoke'n for and its time to put this to bead...
  • + 5
 I really Hope I can get a decent hub for this rim.
  • - 66
flag gabriel-mission9 (Jun 24, 2014 at 5:40) (Below Threshold)
 mhoshal: Im with you. Whats the point in filling up the comments section with stupid puns that aren't even funny? How about think of something actually interesting to say? or is that too much to ask?
  • + 17
 gabriel-mission9: Why don't you stop being so boring and just roll on out of here.
  • + 7
 You guys are on a roll, some of these puns are wheely good.
  • + 1
 I'm getting really tyred from reading these comments.
  • + 8
 Pinkbike, you gotta showcase the momentum of this punnery session.
  • + 3
 Everyone is skirting around the hub of the matter that these rims are reveloutionary!
  • - 1
 Don't get tyred, just keep on rolling!
  • - 2
 whoever can make a pun out of flange can be pun champion.
  • - 28
flag gabriel-mission9 (Jun 24, 2014 at 7:34) (Below Threshold)
 sepronsea: If you find puns exciting...well, I don't really know what to say to that...I think mhoshal worded it pretty well.
  • + 8
 i think you need a sense of humour unless of course you really wanted to come in here and talk for hours about rims. i think i like the pun party better. thanks for wrecking the train BTW.
  • - 30
flag gabriel-mission9 (Jun 24, 2014 at 8:02) (Below Threshold)
 You find it hard to believe i logged onto a specialist bike website, opened an article entirely about rims, and might want to talk about said rims in the comments section?

Surely if I wanted to filter through all this crap first I woulda gone to punparty.com? And yes I do have a sense of humour. f*cking rubbish puns don't really do much to tickle it. They just clog up the otherwise reasonably interesting comments section.
  • - 9
flag drivereight (Jun 24, 2014 at 8:10) (Below Threshold)
 Hmmm, bacon!
  • + 21
 no gabriel.. im surprised that you logged into a website and decided to insert yourself into a conversation that you had nothing to add to and be a complete douche bag. there is a scroll down on the side if you didn't notice it. I think someone missed their morning rim job and is feeling a little tired. you need to get pumped up. no one spoke directly to you so no need to get your knob in a bunch. so if you need a quick release and there isnt anyone to help with your mood maybe you can just go skewer yourself. ps. wear a rubber.
  • + 6
 by skewer yourself i mean go flange yourself..
  • + 3
 2nd best rim-job I've seen all day Wink
  • + 1
 reading that wheely widened my rim
  • - 23
flag gabriel-mission9 (Jun 24, 2014 at 10:27) (Below Threshold)
 err, vermonjeff: overreaction much? I merely commented to say I agree with mhoshal. So i did infact have something to add. Something with a little more substance than yet another boring pun. Perhaps they were funny many months ago when this trend started. Its dragged on a bit long now. get over it.

Anyway, I don't think i made any personal remarks about anyone, I didn't insult anyone, i just stated my opinion. I believe you are the only one who has been throwing the insults around, calling people you have never met douches. So perhaps you should try getting a little perspective before you start your little tantrums?
  • + 7
 I find it gRim that people have spoken up about these puns. Puns illustrate intellectual creativity.
  • + 1
 I'm spacing out here. There's so many puns revolving around here, that I allmost loose my chain of thought.
  • + 4
 Gabriel this is a website that downhillers use how can you expect it to be serious
  • + 1
 Gabriel you need to go drink some Flange-elico and sweeten up.... (i tried)
  • - 31
flag mhoshal (Jun 24, 2014 at 17:17) (Below Threshold)
 Case and point 335 dislikes pinkbike now officially sucks balls this will be my last post ever on here it's full of way too many little pukes that are lame as fuck with their faggoty little queer bike puns I thought this site was for bike enthusiasts not shitty one note ponies with dumb ass jokes
  • + 2
 dont let the seat hit you in the ass on the way out... love you bio btw? being a dick is an awesome thing to be proud of.
  • - 11
flag gabriel-mission9 (Jun 24, 2014 at 18:58) (Below Threshold)
 well it looks like you got the last word with him vernonjeff. you should be proud of yourself Wink
  • + 4
 My nipples get hard every time I see a new Stan's NoTubes product....
  • + 1
 gabriels nipples are in a knot.
  • + 4
 Mhoshal, Good no one wants your posts, you Wheelie need to lighten up.
  • + 8
 I was trying to follow this thread but I have to dropout.
  • + 1
 Well spoken!
  • + 1
 Get a grip people... The width and breadth of these comments are unparalleled.
  • + 1
 I want to add a good pun but I don't know if it will grip enough to the thread or it might make the thread roll slower, however I hope I can keep the thread true without having to twist many nipples
  • - 1
 C'mon Mhoshal, some of them are quite punny.
  • + 0
 This article wasn't a total washout, these puns got me rolling on the ground laughing. I might have pooped myself, enough to leave a skidmark.
  • + 23
 Didn't we try this back in the early 2000's with the Sun Modo and Double Wide?
  • + 59
 What goes around, comes around...
  • + 12
 I know! I used to hunt for the widest bars I could find back around 2000. I couldn't understand why no one offered very wide bars. While I was running the widest t-rex bars I could find, I had massively wide "Double-Wide" rims on my bike. It blows my mind that some of these technologies have been in our faces for years, and no one realized the potential. Or maybe it just takes SRAM to market a technology to us as "ground breaking" before it is widely accepted. (I realize this rim is by STAN's, but SRAM seems to be the proverbial gorilla-in-the-room)
  • + 9
 Nooo, it's new it says so in the article. Razz There's nothing revolutionary with this. a Double Wide with UST bead. Probably made by SunRingle too (also charged more than their regular rims)
  • + 16
 Don't you mean what's all around comes around Ricky?
  • + 5
 @ Marzocchi-USA : I think you're missing the point slightly. The design of this rim is to help facilitate tubeless set-up on fat bikes. As stated in the article, it is due to the nature of fat bike tires and how they don't fit tightly enough for the bead to seat while inflating. This rim is not another conventional wide rim. Look at the cross section and tell me of any other rim that is designed this way. Looking at a cross section of a Double Wide, you'll see it is much more conventional in nature when compared to the Hugo. It would be nice to see Marzocchi develop a radical new fork or shock instead of just slightly improving on the tried an trued designs of what is currently available... oh wait isn't that the way all products evolve, one step at a time? Just sayin'
  • + 9
 i was actually thinking this reminded me of the old THE eliminator rim design , with the raised center to keep you from pinching , also you had to mount a tire this way as well
  • + 1
 sorry cru jones, just read your comment .
  • + 4
 little side note, the eliminator rim was designed by the same person that later created the TUBLISS system for motobike, basically he fixed his own mistake
  • - 1
 A nice design but really not that significant. Pinch flats aren't a problem with tubeless. These aren't proven yet either. Hell, this design isn't even new.

I'd be more impressed with tubeless that mounts easy, doesn't require rim tape, never burps and airs up with a hand pump.

Most significant wheel development in 100 years? Not even close. But hyperbole does make for a great article!
  • + 2
 @dfilter on a tubeless system if you deny the rim game over your seal is gone. With this rim you would have to dent it more than the convetional rim to brake the seal, because the place it is sealing to is much lower than the dobbel wall center. If you wanted to break the seal you could make it happen but it would be much more difficult.
  • + 2
 Tublissworks great and is a good design. 8psi upfront is crazy grippy!
  • + 1
 Dk1996 - denting rims? Carbon doesn't dent. In the near future metal rims will only be found on budget bikes. Carbon rims are so ridiculously better it is astounding. I used to flat spot all of my rims within half a season. Since switching to carbon all my rims have stayed perfectly true with no wobbles or flat spots.
  • + 2
 "The modern clincher bicycle rim and tire interface has been the worst performing aspect of the mountain bike since its inception."

Here we go again...

I can think of a lot worse!

I like the idea of these rims, but I wouldn't buy Stan's again because they are soft.
  • + 0
 "The modern clincher bicycle rim and tire interface has been the worst performing aspect of the mountain bike since its inception."
HA!
No. It really hasn't. Rim brakes perhaps? Derailleurs? Bottom brackets? Freehub bodies? Seriously man, I work in a bike shop as a mechanic, and there are A LOT of things in the bike world that give me huge headaches. Clincher rims are definitely not high on that list. What actually inspired that sentence RC?
  • + 2
 I get like, 1 flat per year, there are so many other things I'm worried about oing wrong than getting a flat
  • + 4
 Dammit all you losers are too busy arguing about this nerd shit to spot my incredible trailer park boys reference?!?! I give up.
  • + 5
 Buncha shithawks
  • + 5
 " it could be the most important development for the bicycle wheel for the past 100 years." Ehmm a certain Toby Henderson had this idea some years ago: www.cambriabike.com/T-H-E-Eliminator-Mountain-Bike-Rim-Silver-Black-26in-X-32H.asp
  • + 5
 Toby and I are friends, His run-flat/anti pinch-flat rims were way ahead of their time - provided that you could manage to mount a tire to them. Off road motos use an improvement on the concept today with a smaller, inflated tire inside the rim. The Stan's version solves different issues, like separating the bead wells, making tubeless installation super easy, and securing the tire when it loses air. Add the potential of pinch-flat protection and it starts to look like a good idea.
  • + 10
 yay pinch flat protection for tubeless.
  • + 15
 Yeah I hate tubeless pinch flats. It's like double annoying because when out mountain biking you really aren't expecting a paradox. I had one the other day and had to spend some time examining my axiom I can tell you
  • + 1
 Pinch flat protection for tubeless tyres would be nice. A couple of weeks ago I didn't hop a water-bar (fancy Scottish drainage ditch to help slow erosion) properly and smacked my tubeless back wheel so hard I pinch flatted. I'd managed to punch a hole through the side-wall right down by the rim. Well done, me.

Thank goodness for those tubeless bung repair kits!
  • + 1
 LOL @ T.H.E. Eliminator Rim; Pretty sure I would have to run at least 50 PSI in a tire with that rim if I didn't want to hit rim every 1/2 a second on anything but a perfectly groomed trail. Tire deformation is pretty significant when running pressures in the high 20's and even low 30's on the average offroad trail with rocks and roots.
  • + 2
 here's the original pinkbike take from 2006!
www.pinkbike.com/news/THE-Eliminator-rim.html
  • + 4
 Reminds me of how Moto GP has evolved (mainly thanks to Kenny Roberts). Back in the 80's tires wouldn't hold up to 2 wheel drifts, frames would flex...consequently, tires and frames got much better. Now motors are so powerful, back to tires and frames! The evolution (and similarites to mtb) is fascinating.
  • + 5
 So is a reason why someone couldn't use this with a current high volume tire? Or is it fat bike specific? Would a standard 2.3 tire just get too spread out on this rim?
  • + 1
 I was wondering if this is a wide rim for the masses at first and I admit I am curious. Would this hold up top Enduro abuse? Seems unlikely since fat bikes usually get gentler treatment. Still, I'd like to see.
  • + 5
 Alexsin: ^^^ Not in its present form, but the design shows a lot of promise. New concepts are rarely born fully developed. This one is certainly in its infancy, but if modified, the concept is scalable down to 2.35 or 2.4 inch tires - even for road tubeless - but it will take some time and development to sqeeze out World Cup performance, for sure. The point of this piece is to present the possibility that a completely different take on the clincher rim may get us closer to the day when tires don't fall off the rims mid-way down a four-minute DH run. Or in an XC race, can compete with glued-on tubular tires that stay on the wheels so racers can ride at pace to the technical assistance pits. Right now, wheels and tires are the weak link - ask Pro wrenches. We can do better.
  • + 2
 You could try, but it would give your tire an extremely square profile which would make cornering more difficult. I know a shredder who sold his 40mm ID rims which he mounted a 2.5" tire tofor this reason, these are even wider. Ride what you can shred with.
  • + 2
 Lots of interesting innovation in rims and tires right now!
  • + 1
 I don't think wide rims are going to make it in the dh or enduro race worlds. It has been tried in the past (mavic's 729s come to my mind) yet people quickly went on the thinner 823s. Wider does mean better traction in some cases, but at the extent of massive drag on pedally bits and absolutely overkill rigidity (I'm talking about all those 35+ carbon rims there). People often speak how stiff their bike/wheels are, while it can actually be worse than having some flex. Ask commencal why they added flex on their Supreme v3 frame on 2 occasions ^^

Mavic designed their xmax enduro rims pretty thin, at the request of their riders. Wider front rim, more grip, thinner rear wheel for less rolling resistance (as the tyre is rounder)

I've got a 35mm set of wheels from velocity, and I find them a tad too stiff. And tyres are just way too big when mounted on them.... Had to try them out though :-)
  • + 4
 I disagree with you Ploutre. The reason racers went back to thinner rims back in the day was weight! That is why the current deemax ultimate are 27mm (XC width) and not 36mm. Now with carbon rims you can run wider rims without the weight penalty. I run a 35mm velocity blunt front (light and wide for an aluminium rim) and my front magic mary doesn't squirm in hard cornering. At the back I run a heavier but stronger Mavic 729. I think that when tires start getting redesigned for these new and better wider rims drag and square profile tires will be a thing of the past.
  • + 3
 SintraFreeride has it right, narrow rims were used due to weight, not performance. Mavic 729 and larger rims were more popular back in the heyday of freeride hucking. Everyone was bombing natural gnar and hucking to flat from as high their balls would permit. Then flow style DH became popular and people opted for lighter bikes that jump and rail rather than tank and plow. With rim weight coming down, the tradeoff has shifted and wider rims can be used without getting so heavy that weight becomes a major concern.
  • + 2
 A slightly narrower and lighter version of this rim would be interesting
  • + 1
 I agree with BryceBorlick. Something in the 35-40mm range would be perfect for DH/EN riders.
  • + 2
 Why are so few people talking about rotational weight and moment of inertia when it comes to these heavy ultra wide rims? The alu hooped versions are especially HEFTY - lots in the 450g+ range (carbon have their own set of issues). Some of these rims are easily into the 550g range yet are being touted as trailbike rims? WTF?

Add a set of lunker rims to your big wheel bike and about the only thing it does well is go in a straight line - forget about ripping tight and nimble single track. Are people that into going just going straight these days?
  • + 10
 You should read RC's article on wide rims. The reason the weight penalty is okay is that running a wider rim allows a rider to use a lower-volume tire than they otherwise would while still having the same contact patch, and also having the additional benefit of a better-stabilized tire. In other words, running a rim that's 30% wider and heavier (say from 440g to 570g) will result in a net loss of rotational weight, since the rider can go from a larger, heavier tire to a smaller, lighter one while keeping his contact patch the same. The basic point is that the rim forms a relatively small percentage of the rotational weight of the wheel, so it's worth making it heavier in order to make the tire and tube (which are at a greater radial distance from the axis and hence experience a greater polar moment of inertia) lighter. Obviously this only makes sense within a given class of tire sizes - fat bike wheels are always going to be heavier and spin up slower than conventional wheels. But for a given contact patch size, you can make a wheel lighter by widening the rim and shrinking the tire.
  • + 1
 I doubt people rolling fat bikes care much about reducing their wheels moment of inertia to rip nimble singletrack lol. In fact I think of fat bikes as tanks that chug along to just mess around on, not too performance oriented
  • + 1
 ckcost is right. this has all mountain and trail potential as well.
  • + 1
 that should be Jubbylinseed is right. this has all mountain and trail potential as well.
  • + 2
 If someone was looking for more air volume for their tire, likely a big reason why they would look into wider tires and rims in the first place, wouldn't this rim design compromise that? That center channel seems to act as a volume reducer, compared to common fatbike single wall rim designs.

Also, is more air volume actually a good thing for a large % of riders? Wouldn't it work like air shocks, where the "spring rate" become less progressive as there's more air volume in the spring? I guess the riders that like less progressive air spring rates (ex. higher volume air cans, or fewer air spring spacers/bottomless tokens) would be more into this stuff.
  • + 2
 I was thinking along these lines too, but conversely, I was thinking that reducing the air volume of the tyre will create a 'rising rate' spring, so it would be harder to bottom out. As the tyre compresses, the pressure will increase drastically, maybe supporting the tyre wall and resisting pinch flats... which could be great. But it might be less beneficial for traction as the tyre might not mould to the terrain as well. Who knows, it's all speculation.
  • + 1
 I like that thought, never really came to me. A more progressive tire "spring" could be another way to drop the pinch flat rate, which I'd absolutely love Smile But I'm not too sure it'll be significant, considering the size of the compressed area on impact vs. the whole air chamber inside a tire.
  • + 1
 Agreed, you're probably not increasing the pressure enough. I certainly don't notice a difference between a 2.5 and a 2.1.
  • + 2
 didn't there used to be a product that was basically a thick rubber strip that sat in the rim well and protruded higher than the sidewalls to reduce snakebites, back in the nineties?

Don't know what happened to it seemed like a reasonable idea, probably a bit heavy though. Much like the moto & schwalbe tube in a tube idea, not inflateable but could be retrofitted to any rim?
  • + 1
 They should flip the inner wall from concave to convex. They would get a wider cross section (more rigid) and slightly improved impact area (further reducing pinch flats and rim dings) without adding a single gram of material.
  • + 1
 I hope this isn't the last we see of this, hurry to Stan! So many silly flats going on while we have electronic shifting coming down the pipeline. Flats have always been the Achilles tendon for so long and it's sad to see equipment hold back athletes.
  • + 3
 With such a short vertical profile I see flat spots and bent bead lips with more extreme riding. Probably cool for Fat bikes tho.
  • + 5
 I think you are correct Skid, that it may not be impact resistant enough at present, but the tubular profile is what gives the rim stiffness and it has plenty of room to grow.
  • + 1
 Stans of all companies seriously need to invest in a non-drilled internal rim bed, like mavic and easton have, this is truly the only way to go with tubeless, no hodge-bodge rim tape sealant crapola... and surely if that internal section was flat it would do better against pinch flats?
  • + 4
 Yes it can be a pain retaping Stans rims.But.......it keeps costs down.Proprietary spoke/nipple systems can add cost.Also some use large strong spokes. We all know what happens when a stick gets in there.I had a dt swiss spoke NOT break and deform an Arch rim. I wish it broke rim was week old. As far as bang per buck, Im sticking with stans.
  • + 2
 This is it. I agree w/ RC. a new day in the crap compromise tire/rim interface is upon us... Bring the DH 45mm version! cant wait!!!
  • + 3
 I expect a rimification of such a low profile will be an awesome weight saving!
  • + 5
 It appears as though they have done an amazing rim job.
  • + 1
 If I have a fat bike and am pedaling around in the backcountry of Montana in the dead of winter (operative term being dead) the last thing I'd be concerned about would be going tubeless.
  • + 1
 good to see designs for offroad rather than trying to adapt an inadequate system from a road bike but i bet they drill th rim for presta valves. one step forward and one step back
  • + 1
 Wasn't Hugo the name of a Category 4 hurricane that made landfall on South Carolina in the 80's? Hope these make a real impact on the fat bike and wheel market.
  • + 1
 Stan's is on the cutting edge again. I don't know if these are the answer. But I applaud the effort. I really love these guys. Stan;s Rules
  • + 3
 can i get a set for a 26er?
  • + 3
 Im so spoked about these new wheels! !
  • + 3
 gwin said the wheel rode better when the tyre came off..
  • + 0
 I remember that as well.
  • + 1
 that fat bike looks disgusting. I've seen nice ones though. I'd really like to read more about this new rim design, a ride review or something Smile
  • + 3
 Its not a fat bike.
  • + 1
 oops. :$
  • + 1
 it's a half-fat bike or semi skimmed if you prefer.
  • + 2
 actually i'm gonna call it a chubby bike. sold.
  • + 1
 Gotta say- They look kinda flat. But really, should I hold off on new rims and wait for the NEW FLOW EXXXXX ?
  • + 2
 Awesome RC! Really cool article!
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 So what happened to the "double-tube" or whatever it was that made PinkBike a while back?
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 It's coming soon!
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 way to say every current rim design on the market isn't good enough... haha
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 RC said it, so it HAS to be true.
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 "Yes, Grasshopper. Snatch pebble and you can leave compound..."
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 Finally getting my head around fat wheels
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 Yes for my prtotype 29er down hill bike.
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 heavy
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 squish... crack...
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 Wow! Very boring Smile
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 These comments are rolling right along.
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 gwin said the wheel rode better when the tyre came off..
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 How is that relevant for mountainbikes with non OB tires?

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