Syntace is a strong supporter of aluminum when it comes to wheel and frame construction. Their debut of a carbon wheelset, then, is a huge break from tradition and begs the question: "How can Syntace deliver the impact resistance and durability that it has heaped upon aluminum in a carbon fiber rim?" Well, the answer is not complicated, but it deserves some background. First, Syntace has been designing carbon handlebars for a number of years, so they have developed some skills. Second, they are crazy about testing, so when they claim a product is X-times stiffer and X-times better in impact resistance than product Y, they can prove it.
The new C33i rim is claimed to have massive impact resistance, enhanced spoke attachment points, a bead-locking internal profile and a weight of only 435 grams in the 27.5 size. Further enhancements in the
C33i Straight Carbon Details• High impact hookless flange design
• Rim width: 40mm outer, 33mm inner
• Molded and angled rim holes (28 spokes)
• Syntace MX straight-pull hubs (Boost or EVO6 width)
• 45-point fast engagement star ratchet freehub
• Weight: 435 grams (rim) 1580 grams (pair, 27.5 wheels)
• 10-year limited warranty
• MSRP: $1480 Euro
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Syntace wheel are low-inertia, straight-pull hubs, a fast-engagement star-ratchet freehub with a steel-reinforced cassette spline, and oversized high-load bearings and axles. C33i Straight Carbon wheels use 28, same-length spokes and are available in Boost or Syntace's zero-dish EVO6 spacing for 1400 Euro. Weight for the pair in 27.5 (tested) is 1580 grams and Syntace backs the wheelset with a ten-year warranty for manufacturing defects.
Full specifications here. Features and Construction C33i rims: Syntace has been on the cutting edge of the wider rim movement, and they have learned a lot about the concept since the inception of their aluminum
MX wheelsets five years ago. Short rim flanges free the tire to follow the terrain, while providing more support. Bead locking internal profiles that guide tubeless tires through the inflation process and efficient V-profile cross-sections that transfer loads without creating a non-compliant structure are a few gems.
Syntace included those lessons, and then took advantage of the carbon process to add some new features that were not possible or practical for aluminum construction. The rim flanges are double thickness for impact resistance, and, inside the rim, triangular cones are molded into the structure to reinforce the spoke entry points, which are correctly angled and tapered to fit Sapim Q-lock nipples. The new interface, says Syntace, is stronger than the spokes. The carbon used for the rims is engineered to be much more ductile, and thus can survive impacts, reportedly, far beyond those survivable by heavier aluminum rims. Finally, Syntace has reconfigured its hub-flange spacing to eliminate most spoke dish, which means all the spokes are the same length and nearly the same tension - an improvement that eliminated the need for the spoke offset of its original W-series rims. Going forward, all Syntace rims will be drilled symmetrically.
Straight MX hubs: Syntace is especially proud of its latest MX hubset. They incorporate straight-pull spokes, made for Syntace by Sapim. Syntace says that the smaller flange diameters help reduce fatigue and rotating mass. Internally, both the front and rear hubs use thin-wall oversized steel axles (20mm for the front and 17mm for the rear), and special triple-sealed high-load bearings, said to increase load-carrying capacity by 90 percent. Axle widths are Boost 110/148 and Syntace supports both conventional, centered-rim lacing and its EVO6, offset-rim lacing that is used on Liteville frames to maintain near-perfect spoke angles and improve the chain line. Both conventional hub caps and SRAM's Torque-Cap interfaces are also supported, and rear hubs support SRAM XD or Shimano cassettes.
Both the hub body and the cassette splines are machined from 7075 alloy aluminum. The freehub splines are reinforced using the patented and proven steel insert developed by American Classic. Inside the freehub, Syntace uses a star ratchet similar to DT Swiss, with 45 teeth, dropping the interval between clicks from 10 degrees to 8 degrees. Syntace says that they designed in some noise reduction to mute the ratchet, but it still makes a deceleration whine that is wonderful for some and..... well, I like it.
If you are the hands-on type, Syntace's MX hubs are easily serviceable with simple tools and they stock parts. To ensure smoothly rolling wheels, the hubs have threaded preload collars that lock with a small Allen screw. If you are familiar with this feature, you can attest to how simple and effective it is to achieve perfectly spinning hubs.
At present, Syntace only offers the C33i wheels in the 27.5 size, but it shouldn't be a long wait for a 29-inch-wheel version. As mentioned, Syntace has an extensive in-house testing facility, in addition to a cadre of real-life test riders that they employ to vet out any flaws that may require design improvements before going to production. On that subject, Syntace offers a limited, ten-year warranty that covers manufacturing and material defects free for the first three years and at 50% of the MSRP thereafter for the years remaining.
Ride Report Setup: Our C33i Straight Carbon wheelset was supplied with the
Liteville 301 MK14 we reviewed earlier. Riding was shared between RC and fellow PB rest rider Harold Preston on various all-mountain and DH trails, most of which feature embedded granite rock, many square-edged impacts, and medium-height jumps and drops. Tires were Schwalbe Hans Dampf (rear) and Magic Mary (front) with pressures ranging from 20 to 26 psi and set up tubeless.
Technical performance: Removing and reinstalling tires requires a firm press with the edge of a shoe to unseat the bead from the C33i rim's raised locking ridge. The force was not as great as is required to free the bead from an Enve or the new Syncros carbon rims, which can be a tough job. Once the bead has been broken, tires can be removed or installed by hand. Inflation was uneventful using a floor pump and there was no need to remove the valve core to achieve maximum air flow. Throughout testing, which lasted approximately three months, neither of us burped air, cracked a rim or experienced a spoke failure. Spoke tension and rim runout remained consistent.
The faster engagement ratchet mechanism is an improvement from the previous W35 MX aluminum wheels I have been using for a number of years, and the growling sound they make is music to my ears. I had no need to adjust the bearing end-play, but I did anyway to check the feature. Finger pressure to rotate the Allen-clamp collar was all I needed to zero out the bearings and the hubs run so smoothly that I still spin the axles to experience it when I remove a wheel. The front hub was outfitted with oversize Torque Caps to interface with the RockShox fork dropouts. They hung up on the fork and typically required some shuffling to slide the wheel in accurately (no fault of Syntace, this is also an issue with SRAM's Torque Cap hubs).
Trail impressions: I rarely break wheels, but co-rider Harold Preston does. Neither of us were able to damage the C33i carbon rims in any way. The wheels are true within a millimeter, and there is no blistering on the tops of the rim flanges where sharp-edge rock strikes often leave their mark.
Ride quality is the talking point of these wheels. They are precise feeling in the turns, most likely due to their lateral stiffness and also for the secure footprint that the 33mm inner-width, low-flange design creates for the tire. Pressing the bike into a corner flares the tire's tread into the soil without any sensation of rolling or folding at pressures near 20 psi (Schwalbe 2.35" EVO casings). A number of wheels can make that claim, but few in the all-mountain class can boast the deft, lightweight feel that this 1580-gram wheelset delivers both while maneuvering, and when under power. Syntace has found the nexus point between a stupidly stiff build, and the twangy sound and feel of an overly lightweight build.
Pinkbike's Take: | Syntace states that they would not consider building with carbon unless they could achieve significant weight savings over aluminum at greater strength - and be able to back the product for ten years of service. While some competitors offer lifetime warranties, that's still a bold claim for an all-mountain wheelset based around carbon rims. So far, the C33i Straight Carbons are measuring up well. It's not an inexpensive set of hoops, but you'll be hard-pressed to find a better option for the same money. If you are looking for reliable and lightweight wheels that can survive ten rounds in the long-travel trail bike ring, I think Syntace C33i wheels would be a good bet.—RC |
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full setup with tires an cassette in the trueing stand and in the frame.
thanks!
I own DT Ex741 on 28 spokes, 27,5 and regular pressures. Could not expect anything more of them. 3 broken spokes, before that rim went no more than 3mm of true. Wonderful compliance. Replaced spokes, what can hou do. For comparison I broke 4 spokes on Mavic EX729.
For that reason, carbon, no thank you. Any rim lighter than 500g is fkng light, and if they hold up to what I am able to put them through, why bother spending double in best instance, if not 10 times as much in the case of Enve.
On a side note my mate borrowed a set and apparently they were really good etc...
As for the tradeoffs that come w/ dropping spoke counts, I've had to walk home in socks after breaking a single spoke on a 20 spoke wheel. That was just once in the last 25yrs since I stopped using 32h on the road, but I simply won't ride less than 32 spokes on the dirt: I break more wheel components on the dirt in a year than in a decade on the road.
Higher Spoke count increases the wheels stiffness and strength as a whole in that spokes support themselves; the presence of fewer spokes of the same calibre is only effective in reducing weight (mainly for the purpose of a good advertised catalogue weight), it will always result in a weaker wheel though, having a stronger rim does not substitute having less spokes, and it's rare that a stronger rim is paired with less spokes anyway, normally the other way around, and quite often thinner and weaker spokes are used where there are less too.
For example a rim will have the near-enough the same impact strength with no spokes in it as it will fully laced, this is why carbon tri-spoke wheels that have huge spaces between spokes still work, the wheels integrity in this case if maintained by fewer much stiffer and stronger spokes.
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I'm not sure what you mean when you say you have seen spoke threads blow. If you have proper spoke length your flange will break or your nipple will pull through the rim before you have e a thread failure.
None the less, yes, a good rim is important, but both rims waki listed are pretty good rims. And unless he has abused the rim in such a way that has changed its shape, and thus created low spots in the tension, broken spokes are definitely not something caused by the rim. And even if this was the case, it would be because of the rim damage, and then lack of maintenance afterward. If the rim remains true, a well build wheel should remain well tensioned and spokes should not break.
A poor wheel build means uneven tension, and low tension spokes get loaded and unloaded more frequently, until spoke fatigue enough and fail.
over the past 24 years riding less than 5 degree @ CK or 3 degrees @I9 is noticeable and i do not like it.
i worked a whole summer at the age of 14 for my first pair of ck hubs with ceramic rims. and will never go less engagement.
I prefer 32 CX-Ray bladed spokes: you drop more weight than w/ 28 double butted spokes, and there is no durability downside: more redundancy & they actually have a higher fatigue strength.
Just got my first set of i9 wheels and I can’t imagine it possible to upgrade from there...
Tougher flange that flares outward like like Newman/moto, short like Stan's, with UST-like bead seat and hook and reinforced molded spoke reinforcements (molded hole too?)... just missing Vittoria's assym channel ramp and zero dish, even-tension geo.
Don’t F$&&k with me RC
I feel like anything over 70 and you get diminishing returns, but below that and I can definitely feel it. I know some don't care, but if I'm paying $1800 for a wheelset (I9/SC Reserve are $100 more with better engagement and lifetime warranty), I'd expect better.
Keep the commercials coming!