Tariffs on Chinese Bicycles & Parts Will Begin Next Week

Sep 18, 2018
by Richard Cunningham  
By Keith Skipper CC BY-SA 2.0 https commons.wikimedia.org w index.php curid 37741003
Keith Skipper photo


Bicycle Retailer's Stephen Frothingham broke the story that US President Donald Trump approved tariffs on another $200 billion dollars worth of Chinese imports. Tariffs take effect this coming Monday, September 27, beginning at ten percent and increasing to 25 percent January 1, 2019. Bicycles and components make up half of the affected goods - a billion dollars worth of imports - much of which has already been paid for, but is still traveling on container ships, headed for bike brands that will now have to cough up ten percent more cash to US Customs before they can receive their goods.

The news came as Interbike, the largest US cycling expo, opened its doors to North American bicycle retailers in its new venue in Reno, Nevada. Timing could not have been worse. A number of industry organizations went to bat against tariffs during Congressional hearings on the subject, but their gains were minimal. Reportedly, "The U.S. Trade Representative said safety products, including bicycle helmets and bike lights, were among the 297 product categories removed from the list of proposed tariffs." Chinese e-bikes and motors have already been dinged for 25 percent, now bicycle, frames and components will fall under the ax.

I covered the conflict in detail when the additional tariffs were first proposed. Now that they are a reality, the burning question is, "How will the new taxes affect my next bike purchase?"
Discarded rental bikes being stockpiled by Chinese government authorities
Not that China will care too much about the loss: One of many stockpiles of discarded rental bikes being readied for destruction by Chinese authorities.

What Does it Mean for Customers?

For a while, not much. Not all brands will be affected, and even the ones that are may not suffer nearly as much as many propose. Truth be told, the bike industry is infamous for making poor business decisions and has rebounded from much larger, self-inflicted losses.

Most bike makers can eat ten percent for one or two business quarters, but come Spring 2019, we should expect a building wave of announcements as bike companies attempt to break the bad news
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With negligible manufacturing at home, tariffs on Chinese bicycle imports may amount to a burdensome ceremonial tax on the US cycling industry.
as softly as possible. Beyond higher retail prices for many bicycles and products, however, the effects of the tariffs on the health of the sport and the future of its retail business are mostly speculation at this point.


377 Comments

  • + 234
 It could be worse, you could have a potentially f*cked economy ran by a silly bint that can’t make a decision whilst a load of equally dim witted politicians chime in with zero logic too. Pair that with venomous propaganda from the media and you have the UK right now, pure horse shit
  • + 117
 Dude we got the same shit goin down verbatim west of the pond. Stay positive over there. Go bunny hop some shit. Helps me
  • + 36
 When she said 'having another vote would be a betrayal of democracy,' last week I actually laughed, because what else can you do?
  • + 44
 @pargolf8: dude it's insulting to say that our economy is similar to that. USA economy is spectacular at the moment by most measures with even wages going up. I think our president is far from presidential and a goon but the economy is a far different story and it should be obvious.
  • + 27
 @Svinyard:

agree. we're booming. here in Utah unemployment is very low and there are good jobs to be had, obviously depending on your skillset, but the housing market is back on a tear and as expected home prices are outpacing wage increases. for all the growth in recent years i've started to wonder what will trigger the next "correction".....

and as a consumer who is considering a new bike in 2019 (okay maybe 2020) it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. will the new sb130 base model increase to $6k? will everyone take an even harder look now at d2c and companies like guerilla gravity?
  • + 4
 @pargolf8: why do politicians think that they are the best person in the world

if they actually cared about us, some good shit would be happening
  • - 1
 @Svinyard: totally
  • - 8
flag foxxyman (Sep 18, 2018 at 15:06) (Below Threshold)
 and politics has been brought in
  • + 78
 @Svinyard: Incorrect. Wages are technically going up, but less than the previous year and slower than inflation (so you're in fact losing money). The average U.S. “real wage,” a federal measure of pay that takes inflation into account, fell to $10.76 an hour last month, 2 cents down from where it was a year ago. I bet you'll say look at the stock market. It's being driven up by stock-buy-back at a record breaking rate (per trumps tax cuts), not actual business growth. Our trade deficits are enlarging as the months go by on track for a 10 year high from August number. The US economy is not spectacular.
  • + 7
 @Junk2016: so then by Obama’s speech the other day he is responsible for this then correct ???? He said don’t be fooled how good economy is doing because Trump didn’t do it.
  • + 51
 I don't really understand why this article doesn't mention how many of our bike frames really aren't made in China. As far as the high quality aluminum mountain bike industry goes I'd go as far as to say that nearly 80% of the frames are made in Taiwan, which won't be affected by these tariffs ( as far as I know ). I believe a good number of component makers are based in Taiwan as well, including FUNN and several others. Shimano makes nearly all if not all of its product out of Japan. Essentially what I'm saying is unless you're slaying a-line on your huffy we needn't worry.
  • + 9
 @WasatchEnduro: The correction on top of all of the corruption, deception, and just straight up crap coming out of the WH at the moment really un-does all of the economic progress being made. That and a lot of the progress we see is still an effect of the policies put in place by BO (not all of it).
Biggest issue the MTB community faces with all of this, though, is the complete disregard for climate/environmental issues. Closing park spaces, cutting taxes that will eventually mess with funding for parks and other outdoor spaces. I hope I'm wrong with that, but I don't think so.
  • - 5
flag jarrod801 (Sep 18, 2018 at 15:32) (Below Threshold)
 very true, tell the queen to move along
  • + 6
 @Svinyard: agreed, no place is perfect but USA is great place to live
  • + 8
 @pargolf8: Are you even employed? If you are, go take a look at your 401k, IRA, or investment portfolio (if you even know what any of those are) and then tell me our economy is f*cked.
  • - 9
flag jarrod801 (Sep 18, 2018 at 15:37) (Below Threshold)
 @Junk2016: i can crlt + c cnn too.....don't cherry pick stats that support your emotions... no one benefits from that
  • - 38
flag SlodownU (Sep 18, 2018 at 15:39) (Below Threshold)
 @krumpdancer101: Obama taking credit is a joke. He should have some dignity and just go away, like most of our past presidents have. Overly simplified explanation (one of many): Trumps corporate tax breaks have increased corporate and revenue = more profit = stock market up = more jobs. Over simplified, but one of many reasons.
  • - 21
flag MTBingSpartan (Sep 18, 2018 at 15:39) (Below Threshold)
 @Junk2016: Businesses have been growing, Walmart offered bouneses to all there employees, many other big business as well, because of the economic growth and drop in taxes.
  • + 5
 @ryanandrewrogers: Unfortunately Diamondback frames are made in China as far as I know, and they're responsible for getting most young dudes into real mountain biking. I started on a Diamondback years ago, and so did most of my friends. I constantly run into mountain bikers with the same story. Without them selling their bikes so cheap, there would be a lot less people trying out the sport and getting hooked.
  • - 1
 @Svinyard: shhh that doesn't jive well with the 'agenda'
  • - 16
flag SlodownU (Sep 18, 2018 at 15:56) (Below Threshold)
 @Arepiscopo: Tell us please exactly which policies BO put in place are responsible? Don’t google, give us real, tangible examples. And before anyone complains about this thread taking this turn, what exactly did you expect from this click-bait article?
  • + 4
 @SlodownU: Pump the brakes, slodown
  • + 2
 @SlodownU: im gonna up vote you. Cool?
  • + 0
 Trump is a wanker, Obama is a softcock.
The one I would choose as a neighbour is not the one I would choose as a leader.
That intense bike in the picture, it's made in Taiwan innit?
  • + 11
 @SlodownU: how about 11.3 million new jobs under his watch.
  • + 51
 Article should read.. Canadian bikes shops to have record year selling bikes to Americans avoiding tariffs and benefiting from the strength in the U.S. dollar vs. the Canadian dollar.
  • + 5
 @WasatchEnduro: nope, they're f-ed too. aluminum tariffs. everything is global and tariffs will trickle down and raise prices on pretty much everything. nothing like some inflation to trigger the next correction...
  • + 5
 @ryanandrewrogers: Shimano hasn’t made all their product in Japan for years.
  • - 19
flag SlodownU (Sep 18, 2018 at 17:19) (Below Threshold)
 @pargolf8: Oh wait, so you're I-don't-know-shit-so-I'll-deflect-with-humor guy. Right on man.
  • - 7
flag SlodownU (Sep 18, 2018 at 17:21) (Below Threshold)
 @jaame: I'd take neither as my neighbor. I would have loved to have had Lemmy (Rest in Peace) though.
  • - 12
flag SlodownU (Sep 18, 2018 at 17:24) (Below Threshold)
 @inverted180: Uh, how about that unemployment rate now though?
  • - 19
flag SlodownU (Sep 18, 2018 at 17:29) (Below Threshold)
 @Junk2016: Wow. Stock market being driven by stock buy backs? Driven by tax cuts???? Your contradicting yourself here, and you don't even know it. Based on these statements, I can tell you don't invest in the equities or funds, do you? You better go get some lessons from someone who knows what they're doing before your throw your money in, of course once you get a job and start making some.
  • + 16
 @Svinyard: C’mon man, the only places anyone is seeing any real wage growth are in jobs they can’t get people to do. Pure demand is driving that rise, most folks are seeing their income growth offset by inflation. The economy is doing well for sure, but people keep making the incorrect association that a good economy means wage growth and prosperity for the average folks, not the case.
  • + 5
 @foxxyman: wtf did you think this article was about, Sam Hills sleeve tattoos?
  • + 19
 @SlodownU: trump threw gas on a decent fire when he gave a 1.5 trillion dollar tax break which benifits mostly the rich.

How about that deficit spending during a strong economy? The economy overall was good when trump took office. Problem is the average worker has seen little benefit. Trump just making that worse.
  • + 1
 Sounds a bit like Canada at the moment too eh?!
  • + 9
 @MTBingSpartan: so a multi billion corporation need a tax cut to give a little back to their minimum wage value essential employee. That's pretty fu#$ed up.
  • + 13
 @SlodownU: I like how you named a bunch of shitty replacements for pensions, which is hilarious just to begin with. Also I am employed, and have a 401k, and dude is going to destroy our economy. But if you want to know, I think only about 50% of employed full time workers have 401k, which is a terrible shitty libertarian version of a retirement plan. But yeah, great point. You also said "Obumma" so I am just going to guess you're a complete moron.
  • + 1
 @ryanandrewrogers: It seems drama is what gets clicks Ryan. Even on a mtn bike site. Hence the "omission" of what you just said. I've never bought a high end bike with a China sticker. Always Taiwan.
  • + 1
 @WasatchEnduro: the next correction will be due to Trump pissing off the world. The wave that the USA is currently riding is not from Trump but from Obama. Leading economic indicators (spending by public utilities and corporations) are already showing a downturn.
  • - 1
 @SlodownU:

Not sure why the negs speedup, my company gave raises to a lot of our employees because of the tax cuts. But yeah, have to consider what the lost govt revenue affected too.
  • + 22
 @SlodownU: If you remember, Bush jr. gave massive tax cuts, deregulated banks, then started wars in two countries. BO had to borrow a crap ton of money 2009 to bail out the economy. Government programs were created to aid industry, the deficit was something like 10% in 2009 and by 2016 it was 3% with steady job growth. Oh yeah he also extended the Bush era rich Republicans tax cuts to pass Obamacare, permanently!

Now Trump inherits this economy gives another tax cut benifiting the rich, while income disparity is at an historic high, then wants to pay for it from taxing consumer goods? Give me a break Slowdown. Are these enough "facts" to make you understand that modern Republicans are bought and paid for by the wealthy? Here's some charts n sh*t from some DC insiders itep.org/federal-tax-cuts-in-the-bush-obama-and-trump-years
  • + 8
 @SlodownU: you do realize that most Americans that are employed don't have any of the three of those and live pay check to pay check... That is the point in our economy not doing as well as the rich make it out to be. It is doing really really well for about 20 percent of us.... But just ok for the rest.
  • - 12
flag rjrx (Sep 18, 2018 at 22:19) (Below Threshold)
 @SlodownU: only a libtard would thumb down your comment bro.
  • + 7
 @Svinyard: actually American wages have just reached 2008 levels, meaning that US workers are just now recovering from the recession.
  • + 8
 @Svinyard: Real wages are not up at all. Unless you are already rich. read the news or remain ignorant of the facts

www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades
  • + 7
 @WasatchEnduro: wow we have jobs we should be so happy with just that and only that! forget a living wage or getting decent raises year after year while inflation climbs steadily and EVERY single thing costs more from bike parts to bread. Read the news or you are just another ignorant person

www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades
  • + 4
 @foxxyman: saw a story on cnn today that seasonal hiring will by highest in 10 years. thx to obama right lol
put aside the personality and look at results from policy.
generally tariffs suck and are not pro liberty/conservative...but before war, a country(enemy of a state) must be dealt with whom steals property and whom also doesnt allow products to be sold there.
interesting how so many will protest metoo and child labor within there own borders but turn blind eye abd support a country whom uses child labor, forced labor, imprisonment, and worse amongst its own people.
  • - 8
flag superdez75 (Sep 18, 2018 at 23:23) (Below Threshold)
 @Fix-the-Spade: We had a second referendum on the EU and the answer was to leave, the British people had 40 years to decide whether to stay to leave, they choose leave despite all the dire warning of economic doom which never came to pass. Remoaners need to accept the decision, it is because of the actions of people like yourself that we are in the mess that we are with the negotiations.
  • + 3
 and italy's with his most recent government is right on your fail-tail, bro Frown
  • + 2
 @Fix-the-Spade: Did she really say that? That's risible. I'm all for Brexit, but logic has to be employed. You don't bet your future on a hypothetical question. Just like buying anything, you want to see it before you hand your cash over. "Do you want to buy a bike?" "Yes." "Ok, give me your money and then you can see it."

Know what I mean? It's absurd to think they are really going to go ahead with it without having the so called People's Vote. You could end up with a sexy beast of a bike... or a turd.
  • + 4
 @Junk2016: I would agree, another stab at trickle down economics is going to produce the same as it ever has and look at the debt service.
  • + 5
 @krumpdancer101: Well, yeah it takes time for Trump's policies to affect the economy. If you think more trickle down policies are good and are ignoring the last 40 years of GOP attempts to drown the government in the bath tub, don't worry another adult Democrat will come along and clean up the GOP mess again.
  • + 4
 @Arepiscopo: "Biggest issue the MTB community faces with all of this, though, is the complete disregard for climate/environmental issues. Closing park spaces, cutting taxes that will eventually mess with funding for parks and other outdoor spaces. I hope I'm wrong with that, but I don't think so"

Complete disregard for the environment?....you mean, like all those non-recyclable carbon fiber bikes and parts the industry itself is responsible for?
  • + 2
 @casman86: I started in an American made SE and 37 years later I'm still busting my shins open.
  • + 3
 @Svinyard: Ballons burst! Just look back ten years . All you need to know is right there. And we are headed in the same direction again. Prepare !
  • + 1
 @ryanandrewrogers: shimano started producing parts out of malaysia, fyi.
  • + 1
 @Fix-the-Spade: you want another vote until you win?
  • + 5
 @BMXrad: @superdez75: I think the current mess we are in is because The Conservative Party is filled with rich children too concerned with stabbing each other in the back to formulate and execute a plan, whilst Labour appears to have decided that the way forwards is to emulate the Trotskyists. I think we need a second vote with three very simple options. 1) Take whatever deal Maybot and chums negotiate, which will likely be how things were, but worse, 2) Take a no deal, hold our noses, jump and hope for the best, 3) Stay in the EU and grovel on our hands and knees to keep our various rebates and independences. For what it's worth I think these are all equally bad options, but those in power have made it abundantly clear that they can't or won't decide, so they need us to point them at a door and kick their arse through it.
  • + 0
 @SlodownU: if there’s anything you wanna compare, hit me up guy. Assets? W2’s? Dick size? Come at me with your trash talking ugly ass
  • + 1
 ..
  • + 1
 @krumpdancer101: because any muppet can declare tax cuts and pump up spending to drive a short term unsustainable boost....that just makes your balance sheet worse.

@Junk2016: kudos for some BS-busting contextual comments
  • + 1
 @casman86: Good less people on the trails Smile
  • + 0
 @SlodownU: hahahaha hows your investment portfolio doing since we last talked, twat donkey?
  • + 0
 @pargolf8: shit mines doing great!!!! In fact made enough extra $$ in the last year to buy a brand new frame!!!!!
  • + 2
 @krumpdancer101: dont talk about it be about it. Great is subjective, chief
  • + 0
 @pargolf8: no chief here even though I’m sure I have more Native American in me than E. Warren. Why all the hiding behind a fake pinkbike page??? Shows how bitch you really are.
  • + 2
 @krumpdancer101: solid english chief. Elizabeth is a tough one to spell. No shame bro

Whos hiding? Pinkbike is a very real website. Not sure what a “fake pinkbike page” is
  • + 0
 @pargolf8: Glad hooked on phonics worked for you. Didn’t want to confuse you with to many letters in a row.

We both know you have more than one page. It’s ok I will keep your secret.
  • + 2
 @krumpdancer101: haha im flattered dude, really.

I wouldn’t advise you go into detective work though
  • + 0
 @pargolf8: Don’t worry I never would they don’t make enough.
  • + 83
 This will be the most epic comment thread in the history of comment threads. Ebikes got nothin' on this, Jack. Minds will be changed, lives will be saved. Mark my words.
  • + 28
 Just put a bag of popcorn in the microwave, cleared the rest of my afternoon, and cracked a cold one. I'm ready for the madness to unfold.
  • + 1
 Comment section exploding in 3.... 2...... 1.........
  • + 2
 @TheR: Lol... ebikes? Naw, politics... now there's something...
  • + 7
 Why is INTENSE singled out?
  • - 1
 25 % hike on my next E-Bike, Trump you piece of shit helmet headed asswipe.
  • + 9
 @trails801: They are the most prominent example of a brand abandoning the USA only for cheaper production costs overseas.
  • - 2
 See this pile of rental bikes? This is the pile of carbon vs aluminum bullsht. Now eat it.
  • + 2
 @ShempHoward: That's what I'm talking about! Bring the noize!
  • - 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Who did what in the where now?
  • + 14
 @siderealwall2: Very true, bring production back home. Rather pay 25% more to our economy and have better quality.
  • + 9
 @ShempHoward: you probably won't get better quality, bit at least you won't be funding the communist party of China
  • + 2
 @ShempHoward: People putting their money where their mouths are is the biggest problem. I know my next bike will be welded (or baked, Waki) in America, but even while all bikes are approaching the same size and axle path, brand loyalty is a powerful force nowadays. Will take a big player (Trek, Santa Cruz, Yeti, Giant) bringing it home to change the market.
  • + 43
 @trails801: We are not sure, especially since we don't import bikes from China.
  • + 1
 @intensecyclesusa: Where do you import bikes from?
  • - 1
 @loganflores: To my knowledge, only Santa Cruz manufactures in China.
  • + 1
 @jaame: Intense is separated from Santa Cruz at this time, both brands F+R triangles are imported from "Taiwan" (Read- China) and Santa Cruz linkages put together in the US.
  • + 0
 @siderealwall2: My loyalty is with my huge USA balls ,, love it or love it. Our quality standards shit on Taiwanese bullshit. End of story, questions?
  • + 1
 @intensecyclesusa: I thought your carbon frames were laid up in China? No? I really don't know but that's the word on the block.
  • + 7
 Still not close to the giro owned by gun company thread/shitstorm.
  • + 2
 @jaame: I didn’t think they where from China I was legitimately asking where they build their bikes.
  • + 5
 @siderealwall2: Taiwan is not China. Might want to do a bit of reading?
Intense is made in Taiwan to my knowledge.
  • + 1
 @siderealwall2: I bet you’ll buy that bike online and still kill the LBS
  • + 2
 @PaulLehr:
My service department has shifted noticeably to building direct-to-consumer brand frames/completes and maintenance volume is rising across the board. Financially, LBS's run profits for at least 10 more years.
All works out, I'll ride my frame until it snaps and build up a new frame from a local fabricator.
  • + 1
 @jaame: Are the taxes limited to continental China (PRC) ? If that's the case most of the high end frames should not be impacted
  • + 1
 @jaame: Ask the Chinese government if Taiwan is China and you will be told it is. Ask some one from Taiwan if they are part of China and they will say no. Taiwan’s official title is “Republic of China”, whereas “China” is officially “Peoples Republic of China”.
  • + 6
 I was trying to explain for the layman. Although Taiwan is officially known as the Republic of China (Taiwan), when people use the term "China", they are referring to the People's Republic of China, as you state. For the sake of this thread, I think it is important to highlight some facts to the uninitiated, which obviously does not include yourself.
Taiwan is a de facto nation. It has all the features of a country including, but not limited to, its own currency, its own passports, its own democratically elected government, free press, and independent judiciary. All the developed countries of the world have unofficial governmental representation in Taipei, which means offices by some name other than Embassy or High Commission, but that perform the same duties.
Simply put, China (that is, the PRC) dislikes the idea that Taiwan should be seen to be independent, despite the fact that that is the reality on the ground and has been since 1949. China is paying or pressuring every other country to publicly state that it owns Taiwan, and that Taiwan is a province of China, which is not reflected in reality. The Communist Party of China is also heavily pressuring every major company that does business in China to state same, in order to be allowed access to the Chinese market. You know what people are like. They will comply because they want to make money, even if that means acting in a way that is morally wrong.
In terms of this thread, the US tariffs on Chinese goods will not affect 90% of high end bicycles, since they are made in Taiwan, not China.
  • + 1
 @ShempHoward: well 1st you gta deal with environmental regs...unelected officials making law.
  • + 4
 @jrocksdh: yes environmental regs are terrible... it reminds me of a kid being pissed off by being told to get into the classroom on time. After a longer quarell with the teacher about following schedules he starts arguing that the educational system sucks. At this point kid is prepared to reform the whole educational system. Instead of just walking into the class and thinking, maybe there's something more to it and nothing is perfect, maybe I am the a*shole... unbelieveable, how is Europe coping with environmental laws harsher than Cali and we still haven't defaulted... Why do we have to go through the pain of sorting garbage, it costs companies millions. There's a big chemical company in my town, why do they have to invest in sanitation of their waste, why can't they just pour it into the river and invest money in creating jobs? Not to mention those fkng rules on quality control in my office, I sat all day last week filling in reports. Cleaning sht feels so not productive. I won't even make my bed, come on, I will get into it in the evening anyways.
  • + 6
 @WAKIdesigns: I agree with your analogy there. It reminded me of the time I took my wife to the doctors about her Tourette’s, it turns out she didn’t have it!! Apparently I am a c*nt and she really does want me to f*ck off
  • + 2
 I knew this thread wouldn't disappoint. My favorite so far is @intensecyclesusa themselves coming on to clarify that they don't import bikes from China, and the ensuing skepticism from people, as if they're lying. Awesome. Simply awesome! Keep it coming!
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: well here in the U.S we have a constitution, one that does not give power to the bureaucratic branch.
We're no longer a representative republic. We're in a major constitutional crisis. Stormy daniels won't tell you that tho.
  • + 80
 British Airways plane leaves Heathrow Airport under the control
of a Jewish captain; his co-pilot is Chinese. It's the first time they've
flown together and an awkward silence between the two seemed
to indicate a mutual dislike.
Once they reach cruising altitude, the Jewish captain activates
the auto-pilot, leans back in his seat, and mutters, 'I don't like
Chinese.'
No rike Chinese?' asks the co-pilot, 'why not?'
'You people bombed Pearl Harbour, that's why!'
'No, no', the co-pilot protests, 'Chinese not bomb Peahl Hahbah!
That Japanese, not Chinese.'
'Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese ...doesn't matter, you're all the
same!'
There's a few minutes of silence.
'I no rike Jews!' the co-pilot suddenly announces.
'Oh yeah, why not?' asks the captain.
'Jews sink Titanic!' says the co-pilot.
'What? You're insane! Jews didn't sink the Titanic!'
exclaims the captain, 'It was an iceberg!'
‘Iceberg, Goldberg, Greenberg, Rosenberg,
...no mattah ..all Rucking same.’
  • + 2
 If Pinkbike would allow videos in comment board I’d send you a boomerang of me taking my hat off and then slow clapping
  • + 4
 Fuc...ng awesome!! That joke made my day!
  • + 69
 just went to walmart and bough a couple Huffy's. nothing like being ahead of the curve. see yall on domestic built trails
  • + 11
 Now is the time to stock up on Huffy's and sell them on Craigslist!
  • + 1
 Rather get a hyper
  • + 60
 Problem solved: There won't be any National Parks to ride bikes in soon.
  • - 16
flag housem8d (Sep 18, 2018 at 13:49) (Below Threshold)
 w4iT BcuZ 0F ChinESe E-bicYcles?
  • + 30
 pretty sure national parks are out already.... national forests however.
  • + 28
 you're riding in national parks?
  • + 0
 @underhawk: Rocky Mountain has some I know
  • - 6
flag Trudeez (Sep 18, 2018 at 14:10) (Below Threshold)
 @underhawk: it’s mostly allowed last I knew. It’s pretty regulated to what and where you can ride but in general it is allowed. I know IMBA has been working with parks to develop better, more sustainable and less impactful trails throughout NPs all over the country.
  • + 20
 @fuzzhead45: There are definitely no bikes allowed on trails in Rocky Mountain NP.
  • + 2
 @dthomp325: a 2 mile section of mountain bike trail opened up in RMNP this year, along with a study to open up a 15.5mile trail in the future, good news!
  • + 1
 @underhawk: check out Cuyahoga Valley National Park. They’ve started to put a trail system in there which while not amazing in its own right will hopefully pave the way for other parks to follow
  • + 4
 @eswebster: When the gov't shuts down there won't be anyone to bust you!
  • + 38
 “...tariffs on another $200 billion dollars worth...Bicycles and components make up half of the affected goods - a billion dollars worth of imports...”

$1bn dollars worth of bike stuff is half of the $200bn of affected goods? I know the numbers we should argue about on pinkbike are usually head angles...
  • + 8
 Goes to show how expensive bike stuff is I guess.
  • + 7
 I read this a few times and it still didn't make sense to me.
  • + 3
 math is hard
  • - 2
 @DarrenV: math is real easy on this one, just do not buy chinese shit,,,canada, usa, taiwan, japan, germany and many more countries will take care of all your bike needs...
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 Probably missing a word - should be half percent of the etc.
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 Lest any Canadians start feeling high and mighty -- we already have a comparable tariff that was put in place to "protect" our national bicycle producers -- almost all of whom moved construction to China anyways. And Devinci is on record for saying it makes no matter to their business either way.
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 Hey, but we are tying to be overly emotional over here in the states because it's hip.
  • + 1
 @Svinyard: Died when I read this comment...so funny
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 That tariff was removed a few years ago by the former Conservative government. There are no longer any tariffs on imported bicycles or frames.
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 Simple solution - stop building plastic bikes in China and bring back Alloy frames made in the USA. Your profit margins are not your customers concern. Raise prices on these already inflated bikes and you may want to prepare your chapter 11 forms in 2019.
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 Viva Foes Racing in California
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 I don’t want an alloy frame though. I want a carbon frame. When the economy tanks at the same time the tariffs really kick in its going to be a blood bath. The pigs have fattened in to hogs....
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 Part of the tariffs include steel and aluminum from China. So manufacturers in the states have to source material elsewhere or pay the tariff. So even locally built frames still take a hit if they’re using Chinese sourced materials.
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 @mountainyj: surely there is a tarrif difference between raw materials and a manufactured product.
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 THIS! ????????
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 OR start making carbon frames here?
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 We support this message.
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 @mountainyj: Maybe we should stop shipping metal to Asia to be recycled and do it ourselves.
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 Viva Guerrilla Gravity
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 @code26: one of the first things trump targeted in his tariffs this year was raw materials such as aluminum and steel. Seemingly unrelated to manufactured products. But, to cope with the tariffs, producers in China up their prices of materials. US manufacturers now have to buy their materials at a higher price. To deal with this higher price, they charge more for their product that you want to buy. Now with this last round of tariffs, the components being spec’d on that product, if you wish to buy complete, are also going to increase in price.
Any components or materials sourced elsewhere already tend to cost more than from China. And now that China is upping their price, and driving demand else where, these other sources can up their costs as well if they choose to.
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 The mountain biking industry seems to be the only sport that thinks carbon fiber is some miracle material that everyone absolutely needs to have. Selling a product at a high premium with a lifespan shorter than some of the canned goods in your pantry.

I can confidently pull my '02 Big Hit out of the garage right now and go huck to flat off the closest 30foot drop without any fear that it will break. I challenge anyone with a carbon fiber bike to do the same after 16 years sitting in the garage.

$2-5k for a bike that will last forever vs. $8-12k for a bike that will only last 5-6yrs... how is this still a hard choice to make?
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 "Industrial automation is the next big shift in technology. Jobs just change. When it comes to welding and milling again raising prices force technological innovation. We went to Asia for many aspects of manufacturing due to lower labor costs. If we can replace those jobs with automated systems the end result will be higher quality and cost less to produce.

An example would be the cotton gin and how it eliminated the need for the hard labor aspect of picking cotton. The bike industry is hopefully headed for it's cotton gin type of technological leap soon."
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 gin changed my life no doubt.
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 Except that the cotton gin indirectly caused the American Civil War, since the gin needed a vast workforce to grow and pick the cotton to feed into the machine, leading to a huge increase in demand for slaves in the US. . Whilst I hope it won't I wonder if mass automation isn't going to spark it's own conflict, what with millions if not billions of unskilled and skilled jobs getting wiped from existence in a couple of decades.
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 @Fix-the-Spade: That is irrelevant. The war needed to happen and end slavery. So are you saying no advancement needs to happen? Manual labor forever? Time cannot be stopped, neither can progression. Lot of research showing automation actually increases jobs in the long run.
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 @Fix-the-Spade: @Fix-the-Spade: Just wait till the machines develop consciousness and start fighting for their rights
  • + 4
 How I was down voted for saying the US Civil war needed happen to end slavery, I am perplexed. Wow
  • + 1
 @bman33: go read Vonnegut’s “player piano”
  • + 1
 @vtracer: As long as they fight for their right paaarrrttaayyy!
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 Time for North America to pull up its socks and figure out how to make shit. Keep the money out of that capitalist communist environmental polluter. We can do better than them!
  • + 4
 Okay, but you do know how tariffs work, right? That 25% comes out of your pocket, not China's.

It's not like we can just stop buying Chinese products. Until the bulk of manufacturing shifts to the US, and/or US wages go down significantly, that 25% tariff will be paid for by North American companies who use Chinese goods in their products, or the North American consumer, or both.
  • + 19
 I'm going to boycott eggrolls now just to show'em.
  • + 2
 They make instant burritos as well. They make everything.
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 It'll be interesting to see if the $10,000 bike now costs $11,000 at some point we all need to sober up and just say no.
  • - 2
 ummm no. When Spec made 18,000$ ltd edition Venge McLaren, they sold them immediately, same with ltd ed. SWOrks E29 Coil, first Sessions 9.9 sold out right away. Let’s cut the BS, once you can afford a 6k bike, you may as well buy yourself a 10k bike.
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 I can afford a $4K bike so I may as well get the $6K bike. That does not mean I can afford $10K!
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 @igxqrrl: nah, 6k is a rather magic number. This is the frontier beyond which only first world problems grow.
  • + 6
 If you can afford to spend $10,000 on a bike, an extra thousand is probably not the breaking point.

My guess is the bigger effect is that price point bikes (Bikes spec'd to sell for $999 for example) will start seeing lower quality components etc. to keep the price point and margins
  • + 13
 @igxqrrl: if you can afford a $4k bike then you really don't have a problem . When you can't afford to put food on the table , then you have a problem .in other words .. people need to quit whining about the price of their toys going up.
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 @BeerGuzlinFool: if you can afford mountain biking in general, then you don't have a problem.
People that can't afford to put food on the table aren't dropping non sense comments on Pinkbike about bike potentially getting more expensive.
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 @zede: people who struggle to put the food on their table are generally not doing mountain biking... at least they aren't concerned about lack of separate high and low sped compression settings... sissies who want everything for nothing are the ones who want an UNNO for 3k. It's not that they are angry only about a base level bikes getting pricier, they are angry that 10k bikes exist at all. They are angry, because they like to blame someone for their own shortcomings. The party of enemies involves both makers of overexpensive bikes as well as people who buy them. The whiny sissies simply can't cope with people coming out better than they are. Or they just want to write sht on the internet.
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 So will other countries that make bike parts like Taiwan and Malaysia benefit from this? If Chinese parts are shipped to a neighboring country to be assembled into a bike and sold to the US...will the tarrifs apply?
  • + 5
 Good question
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 assembly shops to pop up by the scores in Taiwan?
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 @WasatchEnduro: many, many frame makers are already in Taiwan. Take a look at your bike frame (if its aluminum) theres a very high chance its been made in taiwan
  • + 1
 I don't think that is a workaround... NPR recently did a piece on antiquity tariffs. Essentially a piece of art made in China hundreds of years ago, but imported from Japan will still have tariffs, even if it was in Japan for hundreds of years.
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 @PedalDesigns: I have heard of some Taiwanese companies who previously moved product ruin to China for the lower labourer costs bringing it back over here. There is even talk of constructing new facilities in Taiwan because this China thing is not going away soon.
  • + 1
 I think I saw this movie, except it was a warehouse full of Chinese ammo in Eastern Europe, and yeah they got pinched. So sad.
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 This is not going to happen, Specialized is going to sue them
  • + 9
 It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. Especially as a Canadian, we feel a huge crunch from anything that affects the US as most of our goods (especially in the bike industry) are received and distributed through American ports. There could be some argument (though I am not sure of it's validity) to start importing products for Canadians through a Canadian port. That said that is a pretty monumental shift to expect.

To everyone who says that this is going to push manufacturing back to the states, I implore you to do a little research. Pittsburgh and Hamilton (2 of the larger steeltowns in NA) do very little production. Most raw materials are being processed in offshore foundries, this will in turn be taxed much the same as everything else (if it hasn't already) even "made it canada" and "made in the USA" products can be made with parts that fall into this latest round of taxes (Not to mention the rockshox shock that goes in your foes). Not trying to say that it's all doom and gloom (I am not a frame builder who is actively looking at the situation) but we need to be very careful with throwing around made in the USA and Canada, we love in a global world, controlled largely by a global economy.

Let's just all agree that this isn't great but in the lastest shakeout of the political world, it's what we've got!
  • + 1
 The reason the steel industry fell apart in Pittsburgh is because the crooked politicians didn't apply a tarrif on imported steel back in the 70's . Both parties are to blame for letting many industries in America go out of business because of imports. It's been going on for way to long and now it's going to hurt everyone for a while until things shake out.
  • + 5
 Goods bound for Canada (and Mexico for that matter) that are sent through a U.S. port are normally stored at a bonded warehouse - prior to being shipped to Canada. This means U.S. taxes and tariffs are not applied to these goods. Instead, they are applied (if applicable) at the final destination country.

www.export.gov/article?id=Customs-Bonded-Warehouses

This situation is also applied in Canada for goods that wind up in the U.S. This is very common at the Port of Vancouver.
  • + 12
 A tariff is a tax, change my mind
  • + 16
 No need. It is, by definition, a form of tax.
  • + 5
 @mtnallen: I wish republicans would realize this, since they are already anti-tax. I wish liberal democrats would realize this, since they are already anti-tariffs.
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 @hamncheez: Actual conservatives are in favor of free trade.
  • + 10
 Tacos are food. Anyone wanna fight over that?
  • + 1
 A tariff is a tax that is supposed to be applied to imports in order to keep prices in check. It's supposed to protect domestic companies.
  • + 4
 @BeerGuzlinFool: protect people from choosing a competitor?
  • + 1
 @Session603: um, this article is about tariffs. Who controls the house, Senate, and executive?
  • - 1
 @hamncheez: Protect American companies and their employees. It's hard to compete against labor forces from overseas that are paid Penny's s a day.
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 @hamncheez: The majority of the House and Senate Republicans are in favor of free trade. The President favors protectionism, because he has a very poor understanding of trade in general. Unfortunately, Congress punted their responsibility when it comes to trade a while ago, so we're stuck with Trump's protectionist approach to tarriffs.
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 @BeerGuzlinFool: And in the process it is a tax on the majority of people to subsidize a minority of companies. The entire bike buying population will end up paying more on bikes (as the costs of the tariff just get passed on to the consumer), and the benefits are realized by a minority of domestic manufacturers. It's economically the same as a subsidy.
  • + 1
 @BeerGuzlinFool: if you can't do it cheaper, I will take my business elsewhere. You're going to force me otherwise?
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 @hamncheez: You may feel differently one day if you lose your job because someone in China can do it for a fraction of the cost. There are alot of industries that have suffered because of cheap imports. I'm not saying I like tariffs but I understand their purpose.
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 @BeerGuzlinFool: what if someone can do my job cheaper in Alabama? I'm in Utah- should we use the force of government to prevent Utah consumers from buying products made in Alabama?
  • - 1
 @hamncheez: There is a big difference between the wages between states and wages from China.
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 @BeerGuzlinFool: what about new york and Mississippi? Where is the breaking point? Silicone valley and backwoods Alabama? How much of other peoples lives do you get to manage?
  • - 1
 @hamncheez: OMG. Seriously? You do realize that China has been doing the same exact thing to U S.exports for decades. Just take a breath and relax . I don't see this tariff lasting for a long period of time. This is all being done to get China to negotiate with the US. What will really piss you iff us after the tariff is reduced the prices of the bikes won't come back down.
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 @BeerGuzlinFool: "OMG. Seriously?" isn't an argument.

Every single time tarriffs have been used they've cost more jobs than they've saved. See Bush's steel and aluminum tarriffs, and Obama's Chinese tire tarriffs for recent examples.

Arguing that Trump is using tarriffs as a negotiating tactic with the end game being free trade is a reasonable one. Some members of the administration have made that argument even though Trump himself has contradicted it. That argument is itself a pro free trade argument, so it would completely contradict your previous defense of tarriffs.
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 @Session603: So you don't think tariffs serve any purpose? What other options are there to keep foreign product s from flooding the market and undermining domestic goods?
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 @BeerGuzlinFool: I don't have to think it. Pretty much every reputable economist in the last 200 years has said so.

All tarriffs do is redistribute wealth from competitive businesses to non competitive businesses and drive up prices for the consumer. They're bad for the citizens and the economy as whole.

The other option is Americans get to buy things for cheap. Which means having more money left over to spend elsewhere or save.


Now, if tarriffs were used as a negotiating tactic to leverage China into a free trade agreement as some Trump administration officials have suggested then the long term benefits would outweigh the short term pain. We both know that's not the argument you're intending to make though, or you wouldn't be claiming that tarriffs save jobs.
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 @BeerGuzlinFool: Man I wish some dollars would flood my bank account. I wish bike manufacturers were flooded with cheap building materials.
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 @Session603 @BeerGuzlinFool So there is a problem with Chinese goods- many are subsidized by the Chinese government. However, while this is bad for certain US businesses, its good for the US as a whole. To paraphrase Milton Friedman, we've been giving out international aid for 70 years by the billions, and its nice to get some back. What is essentially happening is that the Chinese taxpayer is subsidizing the American lifestyle. This is good for us as a whole, but yes it can hurt some specific domestic industries (this has the same effect when we give foreign aid- so we should be much more careful).

China is trying to grow their industry and kill competition by subsidizing their businesses. However, this is no different than an investor in the stock market looking for the next new company or technology to invest in. Its extremely difficult to pick the winners, and theres nothing special about the Chinese bureaucrats trying to do the same thing. If they truly were good at it, they would quit their government jobs and go be day traders. In the long run, because of this, subsidizing local business hurts china in the short run and the long run.

So what can we do to help the local industry harmed by subsidized Chinese goods? Thats not entirely clear. What is clear is that tariffs or domestic subsidies to try and equal out the foreign subsidies is not effective.
  • + 2
 @hamncheez: Yes. Cheers.
  • + 8
 Wow, maybe I am in the right place. My company is struggling to survive making satellites, but we're incredibly good at making carbon fiber stuff.......maybe we can start making bikes instead ;-)
  • + 7
 Space bikes!
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 @bishopsmike: For the Space Force!!!
  • + 6
 Listened to Jeff Steber on the inside line podcast a few months ago, apparently he's still got one welding bench left. Better fire up that torch Jeff, you must have the jigs left for the uzzi
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 I dunno, one benefit of Intense outsourcing is that the frames are actually straight.
  • + 7
 Good! Businesses should be supporting jobs at home not making China richer, moves like this are the best thing for a countries economy
  • + 5
 Its 100% TRUE. We where lazy here and USED THE SH&^ out of the pacific rim like a 2 dollar whore. Time to bring it back.
  • + 7
 People will down vote you because they don't give a shit about their country and only want cheap shit....
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 @Perry1: i was putting the neg votes down to a basic lack of knowledge regarding economics, you only have to look at companies like Hope Tech in England who survived the recession a decade ago, while many other companies struggled or went under, they've been going for decades and remain strong, because they manufacture in-house and aren't governed by foreign tariffs and politics, supporting jobs in your own country also often tends to give better financial stability to a company from that perspective
  • + 10
 @brookesbruno71: Sooo, you are gonna be the first to raise your hand and work for $2/day and no bathroom breaks like the Chinese are willing to do so the costs stay the same on your American made bike products?

It’s pure economics, if you raise wages, you raise costs. Labor (wages) is the largest component of a commodity. You start making the same product in the USA and have to pay a worker $16/hr, what do you think that bike part is now going to cost? Sure there’s the argument that perhaps the American worker might be more efficient, but not 3 or 4x’s more efficient.

Capitalism will always chase the most cost effective labor market, particularly for unskilled labor.
  • + 3
 Most economists agree (source: The Economist) that a country's people get more value from inexpensive goods than a commensurate increase in wages.
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 What portion of aluminum bikes come from Taiwan? No tariff on those. I *think* both of my alloy sleds were welded in Taiwan...
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 Taiwan is better quality for the cost
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 @Stumpjumper12: Second that, the big three all have plans to move manufacturing to Taiwan.
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 @Nathan6209: Yes, Formosa is where it's at. Ask YT.
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 @endlessblockades: almost all of the high end bikes worldwide are made in Taiwan from Japanese carbon or Chinese aluminium. The big three already manufacture all their high end stuff in Taiwan. Well, giant manufactures trek for them.
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 @jaame: Taiwan used to be named Formosa, but yeah.
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 @endlessblockades: Thanks for telling me. I've lived here for ten years!
I wasn't replying specifically to you though, just too lazy to delete that part of the message.
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 @jaame: haha no worries
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 So I actually was asking a question there. I thought the general rule of thumb was that Taiwan produces a whole lot of aluminum bikes and a few carbon bikes, and China produces a whole lot of carbon bikes and only a few (if any) higher-end aluminum bikes (although I'm sure you can find lots of cheaper alloy bikes made in China). Is this rule of thumb really true? Do a huge portion of higher quality alloy bikes really come from Taiwan?
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 @pinhead907: ixs not sure of the exact figures, but they can be found on the internet. You could try checking the Taiwan bicycle manufacturers association.
As a rule of thumb, most if the high quality stuff comes out of Taiwan, and the high volume lower quality comes out of China... in both materials. The obvious exception is Santa Cruz, which is pretty much the highest quality carbon product in the market, in my opinion, and that is made in China. Vietnam and Cambodia are stepping up carbon production too, but I believe Taiwanese is still ahead. Indo has some ally production also, but I believe most of the hydro forming of the world is actually performed in Taiwan. Devinci for example, I am told, sends aluminium to Taiwan for hydro forming, and then re imports it for welding and finishing
  • + 3
 So what's the practical solution for consumers seeking a higher end bike but wanting to avoid the additional costs? Is it to purchase a bike frame and parts solely manufactured in America? Is that even possible these days?

I know that back in the late 90s and early 2000s it was, but I don't think is anymore. Enlighten me.
  • + 3
 Foes Racing baby

Edit: I'm aware that this is frame only
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 @me2menow: guerrilla gravity smash
  • + 2
 Frame, wheels, and suspension for sure! Drivetrain would be tough unless you're willing to go singlespeed or with old school 8-speed Paul's stuff.
  • + 4
 Single speed it ya Nancy
  • + 2
 Agreed that is how we used to roll for sure OR crack a frame and get the next year upgrade - did that for years. However, it is much harder to do now, because of 'industry standards' (makes you wonder). Now my 142 rear wheel-set fits NOTHING! There are plenty of choices, other then drive-train. But if you can't afford that - you may want to have a much deeper, more meaningful conversation with yourself about 'life goals'. LOL
  • + 2
 Go on holiday to somewhere where bikes are cheaper and bring a bike back “used”...
  • + 1
 @brookesbruno71: lots of hardtails out there that will put a smile on your face!
  • + 2
 Reeb is another company making US made bikes out of US manufactured components. They are a smaller company, but make awesome bikes. If I were looking to stay US based as much as I could, a Sqweeb would be right up there with GG.

Cane Creek does a lot of their manufacturing in house, as does MRP and PUSH. You can get Industry Nine wheels, which are all manufactured in the US (Reynolds, ENVE, and We Are One (CA) too). For other components, Thomson is in the US and does their manufacturing here, as well. I think Chris King products are all US made, too.

So you can get your frame, headset, BB, wheels/hubs/rims, fork, and shock from companies that do all their manufacturing in the US. Some other smaller parts (bolts, axles, sliders, seatpost collars, stems, bars, and grips) are also available from US manufacturers.

I think the problem becomes when you start looking at non-SS (Endless Bike Co offers US manufactured SS components) drivetrain components, brakes, and tires. I'm not aware of any US manufactured mountain biking drivetrains or brakesets, probably because things like that are much more difficult to manufacture stateside. I'm not sure about saddles or tires, either, pretty sure most of those are all overseas.

Personally, I do what I can, but you'll see that a lot of those manufacturers focus on primarily higher end components, so it gets expensive fast. Even with the tariffs, I think we'll see that it's still more cost efficient to obtain some things that aren't made in the US, just because these smaller companies don't have the size to develop less expensive options.
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 @conv3rt: Some are so damn hot looking!
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 @shinook: yeah Colorado is full of bike frame welders and breweries, add Matter Cycles (I have their benefat and it is super awesome), Why cycles, Moots, Durango bike company, Funk cycles, Mosiac, tons of frame welders in CO, quite a few baller titanium frames out there too.
  • + 2
 @Altron5000 @WAKIdesigns Or anyone else

Hey, I've been wondering about this, as I've been planning a dream bike build for mid to late 2019.

Let's say (hypothetically) I were in Poland and bought a high end frameset / fork / some parts at a local Polish bike shop, frame from a Swiss company (probably Taiwan made)...

From what I understand, I would be able to get a full (or nearly) VAT refund, as long as the shop is familiar with the process and paperwork.

I've also heard that the refund would generally come from the last stop before leaving EU (in this hypothetical case, Warsaw airport).

So I wonder if the USA customs would then be notified that I'm bringing in a new bike?

Another part of this is deciding what to buy there, what to bring with me from USA, and what to buy online and have shipped to Poland.

Also, if I have R2 bike in Germany build me a Gucci set of wheels, do I have them ship these to me in the states - avoiding VAT, but getting hit with some customs duties, then paying for extra baggage fees... or have them shipped ahead to Poland?

Anyway, just trying to piece together the best strategy if anyone can help.
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 @Altron5000 @WAKIdesigns

Not sure why this comment is down here but it was in reply to the comment about going on a holiday somewhere bikes are cheaper and bringing it back as used...
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 @DirtGuru2: I don’t know how those VAT refunds work :/
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 @DirtGuru2:
Not familiar with Polish taxes but for the most part to recoup VAT taxes you need to have a firm to buy the bike/parts, the VAT you pay on those will be deducted from the VAT the firm will have to hand over to the state over normal business sells, assuming the firm is making profit.
As an individual/consumer the VAT you can recoup is almost none.
Not all EU countries have same VAT or import duties, over here if you do order outside EU there's a big chance you will end paying VAT (23%) plus customs handling fee (around 10€) for any order.
  • + 1
 @miguelcurto: if you have a bike related company then you can deduct VAT and the value of the product as a cost, without leaving the country... simply put you pay around 50% off everything you buy that can be related to your business activity.
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 @WAKIdesigns: It gets a bit complicated with firm IRS (IRC?) but regarding VAT you really wouldn't need to have a bike related business, any other business should do it, if is just a bike or two you just say you need it as staff vehicle or similar, no biggies there, the caveat is most (mandatory) warranties for business are one year instead of the mandatory 2 years in EU for consumers and for all purposes it belongs to the firm.
  • + 1
 @miguelcurto: it all depends on the tax office agent handling your case. As simple as that.
  • + 6
 what will hurt the bike industry more, is the bike nerds deciding that they can go two seasons on a bike!!!
  • + 3
 Glad I bought my new already super overpriced machine before all this. Guess I'll try to make this one last 18 year like the last (Thanks @Banshee-Team ) But seriously, is this really going to hurt China? We'll still buy all our crap from there it'll just cost US more. So who is this punishing again?
  • + 3
 Wise up and Grow up PB community. This is all about conversion rates and the USD vs Yuan. Do you think China is really going to let US tariffs disrupt their massive economy? Whether you love President Trump or you do not, you are thinking about this conflict in the wrong light and in to narrow of a scope.
  • + 2
 Selling recycled Bud Light frames now...China does not want America's recycles. Made from 6969 super triple butted Aluminum with your choice of 10 frame colors and 10 other color options for $69.00 more. Come with threaded bottom bracket and superboost 15x169 rear axle. Frame come with lifetime warranty and free love me long time custom sticker set. All for $1,699.00 for frame set. Come with 5 rear shock options...you like...you look...you buy ...you love it....you have happy time!
  • + 2
 Hey, is there a market for people like me that hate buying foreign parts of any kind for anything, or did all these companies sell their souls to the cheap labor and mfg. costs of China decades BEFORE Trump was even a thing?

Just curious.
  • + 2
 The bike industry is already so F*****d up.

I pity the poor brands that charge $4000 for a China-made carbon frameset that costs $400 to make, since now they have to pay $500 and cope with a jaw-dropping loss of 2.5% in profits.
  • + 2
 For years riders in Europe looked jelaously at USA where all the things like bikes, components etc. seemed to be way cheaper than in Europe but now. I wonder if we'll be seeing drastic change in scenario right now. Either way pricing going up always sucks Frown
  • + 4
 who cares. yuppies will still buy 10k bikes that cost 2k to make, and the rest of us will buy them at the prices of used domestic trucks a couple years later.
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 I am no fan of the tariffs and subsequent trade wars. But as readers of Pinkbike it is safe to assume that we ride higher end bikes and components that are made in Taiwan. The tariffs do not affect the imports from Taiwan.
  • + 3
 台湾的美利达和捷安特,很多在大陆生产
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 @MTB86:

you’re right, we are a bunch of entitled whiney little bitches.
  • + 2
 O wait I thought they already raised prices. O wait the EXACT same bike I bought 3 years ago is now $2.4k more expensive starting a month ago. O WAIT fk you fk me fk anyone who actually wants to buy a bike.

Never thought I’d be so salty, but I already watched prices inflate when the tariffs were announced. Now no one can afford a bike (or it’s all bull hockey anyways .... ??)
  • + 3
 Just ride what you got. No reason to buy a new bike every year or two. My old bike is just as fun as any of the new bikes coming out.
  • + 0
 @BeerGuzlinFool: I’m tired of patronizing responses from luddites on a bike website. Maybe all the components are worn out. Maybe the frame has already been warranties twice and I’m tired of dealing with it. Maybe I moved to a new place and want a bike that better suits the terrain. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror and go ride your own. Or sit in front of a keyboard and keep telling people to ‘ride what you got.’ No skin off my back what you do.
  • + 2
 This comment section is a clear indicator of what happens when your brain is on Tw@tter, Facepalmbook, etc.

The clear blue sky isn’t falling chicken little. Instead of hyperventilating take a deep breath and go for a bike ride. There’s a reason you won’t notice anything wrong in the world once you step away from people on TV and/or the internet screaming that their hair is on fire over every subtle nuance. Because it’s all just in your head.

I don’t know of Trump is wrong or right, but I know this. Anyone who can live rent free in so many heads is smarter than the heads he’s living rent free in. If you think it’s so bad here and you’ve got Hitler V2 for a President then go try living in China as a citizen there for a shocking dose of reality.
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 Glad you pointed this out. Well said.
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 I think is more of a smoke screen so bike prices can be put up for the following reasons 1. Most bikes are made in Taiwan, not China so wont be affected 2. Shimano make their stuff in Japan so wont be affected. 3. Unless a bike is going to be sold in the US market there is no need to route them through the USA. Bikes destined for Europe have no need to go via the USA so just dont bother and dont charge us the increase in price caused by routing them via the USA
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 One outcome of this is that Taiwanese assembly companies are now fully packed with orders, because every brand with US assembly is now looking to move it to Taiwan. So the frames will still be made in the same Chinese factory, then shipped to Taiwan to do a few operations like painting and assembly. Then it gets shipped to US as made in Taiwan. Big looser will be the people working in an US assembly line. I wonder how many of them will vote for Trump because some cheap „Chinese „ stole their job? And then the products get more expensive, because the detour through Taiwan causes additional cost.
Big winner is Taiwan that gets more business and import taxes.
And do not think this is something that only happens in US. EU has a moderate 50% tax on many bicycle parts imported from China, only with the difference that assembly factories can get exceptions.
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 I could care less. All my bikes are made of Japanese and Taiwanese built components. China = Walmart bikes. Zero f*cks given.
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 Well, ultimately China is a very naughty country. But Trump is a also naughty cunt, so nobody's thinking of the benefits to their people. The economy was on its way up anyway. The orange ape in the baggy suit is just playing a VR game, he's not really there. Can't imagine how he's going to finish.
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 Anyway..... All political hyperbole aside, economics 101 states that you can’t be the world’s reserve currency for any length of time and not run a trade deficit. Simply doesn’t happen. The only exception to this rule was post WW2 when the US mainland was left unscathed and the rest of the world was blown to shit. Easy to be top dog under those circumstances. If you wanna be the world’s reserve currency you’re not going to be on an even footing with trade deficits. But what you get for that is control and influence along with military might in order to protect that reserve status. But the trade deficit thing is deceptive and not straightforward because the country that runs the trade positive has to reinvest in the country that runs a deficit. Otherwise the trade positive country’s currency rate would suffer. I’m completely oversimplifying this and dumbing it down but the gist of it is correct. In other words if you wanna be the world’s biggest dog then you’re gonna have to deal with some trade deficit. Tariff’s have never ever historically brought about the desired effect. In fact the last round of big tariffs that this country tried helped bring about the Great Depression and only served to lengthen its duration. So... let’s be careful here. I’m not saying that there aren’t problems with China’s trade policies but massive tariffs aren’t going to fix them. Tariffs are taxes paid by the citizens of the country that said products are imported to. In other words the common US consumer and businesses. Yeah all those tax cuts??? Here’s how they’re gonna get paid for.
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 i still havent read any solutions from the commenters that seem...to know so much more about this issue. being that its about how tarriffs will affect the bike industry, ...the bike industry,...yes, as one commenter put it, Specialized will sue and save the day!
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 can´t believe how guys from Canada, US and Europe complain...that´s first world problems, hope you can see the world from places like south america or africa, Thanks god Chile is in good shape compared to other places, be grateful of your countries, everybody thinks their leaders are dumbass!!! just be you and start making differences as a person if Obama, or Trump are presidents, please don´t care, you can create a better country with your own acts.

And everyone will suffer the effects from those taxes, not only you first world people!!!
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 Can't we just make it all in tiawan and call it good? Why does everything have to be made in China.
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 The ROC is going to rein that little Formosa problem in before too long.
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 Hmm, if China were to play hard, they would hike the prices, and limit the export of rare earth metals (of whom they are the world's dominant producer and exporter - and that the US was very careful not to impose tariffs on), and the only high-tech thing manufactured in the US will be a good ol' steam engine... Tariffs are idiotic policy. Who will work those shit low paying manufacturing jobs that Trump wants oh so badly to return to American soil when there is already a highly saturated job market, and wages are actually going down exactly because there is an overabundance of low paying jobs? The immigrants he doesn't want in the country? The ageing, disease-ridden population with a decreasing life expectancy? How about instead of giving tax breaks to the rich, the US government used the economic conjuncture to invest in education and infrastructure to prepare for the inevitable eventuality of another recession? Nah... MAGA!!!
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 I’m pretty sure Taiwan is not included in this, and nearly zero quality mtb components are made in PRC.
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 Disagree... some sweet stuff coming out of the pot republic of ????????.
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 Canada
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 @WasatchEnduro: you meant to say California.
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 "The bike industry is infamous for making poor business decisions and has rebounded from much larger, self-inflicted losses"

I bet the industry will pass the cost on.
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 Make American bikes again.
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 Chinese labour costs have been increasing for years anyway, best to take Yeti' s lead and head to Vietnam with its lower labour costs; it's a win win for them and the consumer!! Wink
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 Never the greatest country but always boosting and now have the whack job leader you deserve doing exactly what we as Canadians expected...you guys need to get on it and burn down the WHITE (supremacist’s) house. There is still a little bit of good left but not any in the GOP. Not sayin there are no criminals on the other team but....f*ck Trump...and any one who follows and supports his fascist policies. It is simple.....right and wrong.....good and bad....democracy or Trump?
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 Define fascism, please.
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 I was waiting for some moron from another country to scream about how terrible our country is, without living here or knowing anything that hasn’t been shoved down their throat by the TV. Thanks for raising your hand and diming yourself out! Haha

By the way I love the “fascist policies” remark. I know you’ve been dying to use that term, despite not knowing what it truly means. You’re so intelligent. We are all impressed.
  • + 1
 ill say this guys. In the shop I work at in Michigan the tarrifs brought the price of our electra townies from $500 to $510. Huge difference. they're the only ones to give us pricing after tarrifs so far.
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 The good news is there is a midterm election soon, a very active investigation occurring, and then another presidential election. I suspect that this will all pass soon enough.
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 This is really nothing new - they are just being called out on it. The whole pacific rim devalues there currency on purpose, because they are an 'export lead economy' making there money on trade back to us. As a currency trader, the biggest culprit of this has always been the Japan's Yen. So while parts for us may be more expense - what if you lived in a country that purposely devalues there own currency. You work longer hours for the same pay. Plus, lets be realistic, the margin is there...in the course of 24 months, you can now get your girlfriend or buddy that is getting into riding a descent bike for $2500 or less out the door and upgrade later.
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 This is nonsense.
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 So light bicycle wheels will now cost what enve's do? Thats the title I just read.
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 that's right... their $200 rim is now gonna be $220. Still way less than the $500 most brands charge for a new carbon rim.

But a gucci hub/spoke build on LB rims is still over $1k so yeah, at that point give a nod to We Are One.
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 Looking forward to all the sweet new made in USA bikes.

If this was a thread from the previous decade everyone would be b*tching about evil bike companies taking manufacture abroad.

Think about that long and hard.
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 Walmarticans need to put down the chinese crackpipe, anyway, but this won't even make a dent, sadly.
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 One thing for sure - nothing will be getting cheaper. Ever. If the tariffs do end up increasing prices, it will be permanent, and the industry will follow. And so will consumers. ugh.
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 Phew. Good thing I can't afford new things.
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 You guys know that Fox News has been owned by flaming liberals for a few years now, right? Complaining about them is just broadcasting how out of touch you are.
  • + 1
 wish these comments would read in the order they were replied to. kinda impossible to read anything as coherent debating between parties, although maybe it just isnt anyhow!
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 Hats off to the American made bicycle companies, it's your time to shine.
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 Somebody needs a damn calendar, the 27th is a Thursday this year...
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 I'm just going to stare at that container ship for a while.
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 so should i make a massive order of the stuff that i want off crc and jenson?
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 Canfield bikes!
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 I wish they had gone for 100% tax on the ebike junk! Should probably leave the other stuff alone. Of course fat f*ck Agent Orange would tax bicycles though. He hasn't exercised a day in his life.
  • + 3
 it's a good thing mountain biking is already a cheap hobby
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 Cheap hobby is an oxymoron
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 The R party is only for big companies in the US, little guys will be hurt by all of this. R is against unions and will only cost us more in the end. Wait a year or two, see what is coming.
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 Somehow the poorest people still don't get this and get brainwashed every election to screw themselves.
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 @casman86: ever time I bring this up, Drumpf fans hate/can't deal with it.
Ask how great Drumpf is in 4-5 years
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 @nojzilla: I would say I can't believe any of those people still exist but I live right in the middle of the U.S. and commonly see the bumper stickers on rusty trucks with confederate flags. They'll never learn anything, they refuse to.
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 @casman86: plenty of em here too...... brexshit
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 True. I mean look at the beautiful examples of Chicago and Detroit. They’re clearly loving their Democrat led governments. Just beautiful places to live right? What a joke.
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 if anyone thinks the Don is thinking about the middle class and lower you better wait a year or two and see what happens. Bussness is bussness and we are just the people who pay the bills.
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 Business*
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 Starting Monday every pink biker is required to have a credit card on file. You will now be charged the Tariff for every stupid post
  • + 0
 Well you volunteered your card for my account, prepare yourself for bankruptcy!
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 Trump sucks. Bike helmets were left out of the items included in the tariff from what I heard.
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 Safety or educational products usually are, here in the UK, I worked in a skate/BMX an we didn't charge VAT on helmets or kids shoes. Was told kids books are the same?
  • + 1
 So who's gonna be paying for all these Tariffs? Oh wait, everyone else except Trump.
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 He'll be reaping the profit
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 I stick with as many American parts as possible.
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 S T E E L I S R E A L
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 S T E A L I S R A E L
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 Why would I want to steal Israel?
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 @topfuel564: The Middle East sure wants to.
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 I meant Isreal Kamakaiwos Ukulele
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 Trump rides an e-bike
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 But it created foreign jobs
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 Hillary rides a high end broom made in the factory that makes magna and Pacific.
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 @flyr: I hope Bill doesn't stain her dress for this
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 That's an easy fix, just pass it on to the consumers, $20K bikes! $100 hand grips!
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 Does the US levy the same tariffs on Taiwan, or do they have separate tariff rates?
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 Please don't ask pinkbike commenters to educate you on US trade policy.
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 Don't worry, Trump gives himself an A+ on trade.
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 Will they tariff 29+ bikes?
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 Thanks Bill Clinton ...NAFTA...and all the greedy ceo's of bike companies. Aluminum will become the new Carbon...Made In USA.
  • + 1
 Time to start buying bikes from BC! Ride it there and bring it back "used" Smile
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 FAKE NEWS!!!! WINNING BIGGLY!
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 This isn’t good. Our sport is already expensive enoughEek
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 will the tariff pay for the wall? or more hookers?
  • + 1
 Not in Canada. Buy yer bikes up here in the free North.
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 But the Yanks will (in most cases) still have to pay tariffs when they import them from our stores. Most tariffs apply to the country of manufacture - not the country of sale.
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 Ride a shitty beater over the border an then a sweet new rig back home an be like 'What?'
  • + 1
 Good. No more Chinese plastic pieces of shit.
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 Oh lord have mercy...I yi yi! This is to much. Back to bed, F it.
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 Good reason to keep on buying Hope tech products.
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 Sept 24, Monday
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 So
Will XT an XTR now be cheaper SLX an deore?...........
Big Grin
  • + 1
 Since its Trump, I support it. But damn... very conflicting.
  • + 1
 Haha
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 A lot of you voted this orange haired guy in. Hope your happy.
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 Very
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 @Perry1: you must make a lot of money cause look out coming up
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 @kbb1: I do. And I'd rather willingly pay 10 to 20% more for my bike and parts rather than what I'm currently paying for Obummer Care and government handouts. I'm hoping he gets a hold of this shit soon.
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 @Perry1: Ever look up handouts to other countries? Yes handout in this country are big but just look at what goes out to all the countries in the world, I was shocked. He won't do a thing about it, middle class always pays out. Now he wants us to do more. Who in the US wants to work for low wages to make up for the tarriffs, people from south of the border.
  • + 0
 @Perry1: Ignore it. It's been spamming the entire article with nonsensical comments.
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 @Session603: Sure, close your eyes and everything will be OK.
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 I don't think most mountain bikers voted for him. Most mountain bikers are intelligent people in real life from my experience.
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 I voted for him and I'm unhappy because the wall still hasn't been built.
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 @Perry1: You mention you dislike government handouts, that is exactly what a tariff is. It's a handout to a specific industry. In the case of the steel tariffs it's a handout to the domestic steel industry. Everyone in the US pays more for products with imported steel (that's a ton of products). The companies pass on the cost of the tariff to us, so most products rise in price and the only people who benefit are domestic steel workers and shareholders. It functions the same as a subsidy for that industry. Perhaps you are pro subsidy for specific industries, I would prefer to not pay more in taxes to keep an industry afloat that can't compete on its own.
  • + 1
 his skin is more orange than his hair, lol.
  • + 2
 Yup. Stoked this clown will influence the growth of American manufacturing jobs and the low unemployment....What a POS.
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 Monday is the 24th....by the way.
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 This and NO WALL YET?!?!
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 made back in USA!!
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 Fine by me.
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 这是我们不愿看到的
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 请寄给我一些面条
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 What he said
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 @Verbl-Kint: he said. f*ck You.
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 F the inequality in China , and F trump.
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 Cane Creek industry nine and Chris King like I care about your Chinese Goods got enough Shimano bits to last a lifetime the s*** never wears out
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 #1 punctuation is your friend. #2, what the Hell is your point? Are for or against CC, i9 & King or are you against them? Shimano has factories in Japan, Malaysia, China, Vietnam, etc. BTW
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 Thanks Obama!
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flag kbb1 (Sep 18, 2018 at 16:30) (Below Threshold)
 Obama is the reason things are going good, you think this Don is the reason for things looking up? Don't blame the next pres for the big fall after the Don is out
  • + 7
 @kbb1: the only thing Obumma Did was f up healthcare for every working class American for the foreseeable future.
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 @BeerGuzlinFool: And the R party has done nothing to change a thing.
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 @kbb1: I agree. They bitched about Obamacare for years and when they finally had the opportunity to change things they didn't have a clue. I find it hard to back either party. Politicians suck.
  • + 2
 @BeerGuzlinFool: Please bro.
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 @BeerGuzlinFool: That's funny. Just repeat the clueless vitriol you hear on Fox news. @kbb1 that was a joke
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 @Eatsdirt: Funny huh? I am one of the many that was promised that I could keep the insurance I had only to see it replaced with a plan that costs almost twice as much for half the coverage. And I never watch Fox news. Maybe you should stop watching CNN.
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 @BeerGuzlinFool: Only poor people were affected by the Insurance change! What has Donnie done about it since promising to change it, nothing! His businesses and insurance buddies are making money on it! He's playing with Tariff to bring more business to his family Companies cause they are not making money on COAL AND STEEL, got it!
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 @BeerGuzlinFool: Please explain. If that's the case then that's clearly a bummer.
  • + 0
 @kbb1: 100% wrong.
  • + 1
 @Eatsdirt: Before Obama care I paid around $500. A month for my wife and I. We had a $250.00 deductable. Now I pay that much a month and my employer pays almost that much towards the policy. We each now have a $3,500. Dollar deductable each.
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 @drivereight: Completely wrong.
  • + 1
 @Eatsdirt: so what vitriol do u listen...let me guess CNN. Ba ha ha
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