Tech Randoms 2 - Core Bike Show 2018

Jan 22, 2018
by David Arthur  

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Core Bike Show 2018



If the first batch of Tech Randoms from Core Bike Show wasn't enough to satisfy you, here's another trawl around the garishly carpeted hotel and some more interesting new products coming soon to a bike shop near you.


Lezyne Bells and Lights

Lezyne has added a range of brass bicycle bells to its range, in case you want to be heard when riding on shared trails. Three sizes available and they all make a slightly different sound so you can play a tune. Probably…

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Anyone for a bell?
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New Lezyne Power Drive 1100 light with optional battery pack, that also houses a USB port for charging other electronic devices.



Cane Creek

Brand new from Cane Creek is the Slamset, a low profile headset that reduces the stack height by 5mm, useful for any bike with tall headtube if you need to get the front end and handlebar height a bit lower.

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Do you need to go lower?



Maxxis

Maxxis has just dropped the price of all its tires measuring 2.6” and above and all wire bead tires by 35% in the UK, which is interesting enough. But how does a Minion DHF 2.5 WT on a 35mm rim measure up compared to a Minion 2.8in tire on a 50mm rim?

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Here is the comparison, can you spot the difference?


Reynolds Bernard Kerr Wheels

Reynolds had their Bernard Kerr signature wheelset on display, wheels that were developed especially to meet the demands of riders like Kerr. They have the same profile, and indeed come out of the same mold, as the company’s existing enduro rims, but they have beefed up the carbon fiber layup to increase the strength and durability. Along with an increase in spoke count from 28 to 32, the weight has gone up about 200g. They’ve apparently passed Kerr’s testing with flying colors; he’s still riding the first set of seven they sent him, saying he hasn’t broken them yet. They cost £2,150.

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Extra beefiness to survive a hammering



Fizik

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Fizik has launched the new Luna saddle for female mountain bikers and is available in two widths, 141 and 153mm.



CrankBrothers

Popular with XC and trail riders, the Candy pedal range has been updated and has a new slightly larger pedal to work better with the latest shoe designs, and a new central traction pad to increase grip when clipped in. The top-end pedals have the same clip-in inserts like we’ve seen previously on the Mallet pedals.

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CrankBrothers has overhauled its Candy mid-size pedal

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CrankBrothers is sponsoring the Syndicate team and has produced this signature edition f15 multi-tool
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There are longer pin options for Stamp flat pedals



Fabric

Cannondale and Fabric have got you covered if you want to strap tools, inner tubes and CO2 canisters to your frame, as demonstrated on this Jekyll.

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The Speedsleev tucks an inner tube into a nook

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Tyre levers and CO2 at the ready
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The Fabric Cageless bottle works well in tight spaces

There was no shortage of new grips at the show. These are the new AM Grip with Micro-Hex Technology from Fabric.

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The surface has lots of volcano-like dimples that compress when you squeeze your hand around the grip



Token

I’ll just leave this one here… Token carbon fiber thru-axles. Yes, I did just write carbon thru-axles.

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How light can you go?



POC Carbon DH Helmet Coming Soon

We've heard a rumor that POC could be launching a carbon fiber version of the Coron helmet that Paul tested last year. It may be available in March and that's about all we know for now.

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Exposure Sync Bluetooth Light App

Exposure Lights has been busy developing an app to use Bluetooth to wirelessly control its new Diablo light. The app lets you choose from six default brightness and max/low settings, as well as two user programmable settings, so you could tweak the brightness settings to perfectly suit your night ride requirements. The new Diablo also gets a lumen upgrade from 1500 to 1850. There’s also a new remote control button you can attach to the handlebars so you don’t always have to dig your phone out of your pocket.

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Need to adjust your lights? There's an app for that now



Endura

Stop the press! Endura has developed a onesie. They’ve taken an MT500 jacket and MT500 trousers and blended them together, with a reinforced seat area, full front zipper so the jacket works like a normal jacket, and zipped vents all over the place. The bottom of the trouser legs can be zipped off. It’ll cost £400 when it’s available, probably in September. Paul Aston will have the enviable task of testing it, since he tested the DirtLej last year.

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One-piece jacket and trousers, the start of a new trend?

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Endura will be offering waterproof socks later this year, with various lengths to choose from



Hard To Ignore e-Bikes At Bike Shows

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This Mondraker e-Crafty XR+ almost blends in...
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This new Fantic, not so much



Yeti Gloves

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Someone has been playing silly buggers with the glove display on the Yeti stand



Reverb Dropper On A Road Bike?

Never seen a RockShox Reverb on a road bike? Well, you have now. This is new British brand Vielo’s all-road bike, designed to be able to tackle dirt tracks as well as smooth roads, but what’s really interesting is that they’ve hooked up the Reverb dropper post to the SRAM trigger shifter that is redundant because of the bike's 1x11 gearing.

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The cool camo paint job was just for the show, you can't buy it

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Press this paddle and...
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...you can lower your seat.



Kona

27.5” wheels aren’t just the preserve of mountain bikes, seems road bikes are getting in on the action, such as this Kona Rove kitted out for an adventure with loads of storage bags strapped to it.

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N+1?


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150 Comments
  • 263 13
 "Press this paddle and you can lower your seat"*

*Unless its colder than 75 degrees, your post is older than 8 months, or any other random reason we decide
  • 21 5
 I have only had problems with reverbs in general below -5c and even then they were just slow to return which isn't surprising in a hydraulic system, my deores stop working effectively quicker than my seatpost
  • 9 1
 @Tr011: some batches are pretty messed up, even with the new seal kits. Mine needs to be serviced; it currently won't raise unless my GPS says its warmer than 80 degrees! After the service I hope to have it drop/rise at temps above 60 degrees at least.
  • 43 2
 The problems you're describing are 100% the fault of the old style Reverb levers. All new posts will come with the "forward mount" trigger which should increase service intervals to 4.01 hours of continuous use.
  • 13 1
 Yep. Had this problems with every Reverb I've ever had. Under 50F and it would start slowing down, and around freezing it would sometimes stop entirely.

Picked up a Brand-X Ascend XL from CRC for like $190 and it's awesome! Comparable weight, cable actuated, half the cost, excellent reviews, and works at 30F just like at 80F!
  • 25 1
 @acali: Are you sure it isn't a 3.99 hour service interval?
  • 50 0
 I dont know what youre talking about, my Reverb would lower without me having to faff about with pushing levers or paddles, just sitting on it was enough
  • 4 2
 @hamncheez: buddy that's terrible. I don't go for ride at all if its over 80 degrees.
  • 13 0
 @knarrr: Yes, this past summer (my first summer on it; brand new) towards the end its no longer accurate to call it a dropper post; since it does bob about a cm I guess I can label it a suspension post!
  • 13 0
 why do you guys put up with the reverb? now going on 3 years on my Giant Contact dropper with zero issues, still on the original gas cartridge too. When that dies, you can just swap in a new one for $60
  • 9 0
 @xeren: OEM + kids
  • 2 1
 @hamncheez: kids?
  • 8 3
 Hahaha yet another SRAM turd that was rushed to market for the consumer to beta test.
  • 10 1
 I have an original Reverb on a 2014 Devinci that I keep in my garage and it only acts up when outside temps stay below freezing for multiple days in which case I'm not riding anyway. Otherwise it works great despite never once being serviced in the three years that I've had the bike.
  • 5 0
 I had mine for less than a year and didn't ride much that year. By the end of my 30 day season it completely stopped working no matter what I did to fix it. Certified garbage.
  • 5 0
 @xeren: I think kids implies he doesn't have the disposable income to blow on a new dropper post. While they're not all insanely expensive, kids aren't cheap.
  • 3 2
 @xeren: because the giant contact droppers are riddled with issues, i have had two and bith decided not to work properly after a months riding
  • 2 1
 @Tr011: quite often a poor bleed will cause this with the reverb
  • 2 0
 Why is everyone saying x.01 x.99 all of a sudden in every second post? Aware me?
  • 3 0
 @harrybrottman: www.pinkbike.com/news/srams-new-dub-cranks-and-bottom-brackets-first-look.html

Everyone is losing their shit because of Sram's daft new diameter of their new crank axle. We like ripping the shit out of their 28.99mm diameter because we are petty and easily amused.

But in all seriousness, it's a stupid diameter to claim anyway.
  • 1 0
 @codfather1234: oh shit really! I will check out the Sram thread.
  • 5 0
 @harrybrottman: Yeah, it seems to be the Pinkbike Meme of Q1 2018.
  • 1 0
 @codfather1234: ahh I get it now Sram has moved the entire industry to metric shock sizing and now also to metric spindle sizing ..... wait......
  • 1 0
 On a positive note every Reverb that I have ever had issues with which is all of them. I just simply pick up the phone call my friendly Schram representative. He gives me an RA number. I put the post in a box they send me a brand new one. If I don't feel like using the telephone I drop it off at my local shop and they get me a brand new one.
  • 5 0
 @xeren: @JaredHarzan Yes, kids. They actually aren't as expensive as I thought when I was single, but now I have to be "an adult" and "fiscally responsible" and "plan for the future", so I had a set biking budget for the season, and I budgeted that I might go through a rear derailleur and maybe a busted rim, but I didn't budget that my Dropper would start dying on me the first summer it was ridden.
  • 2 0
 @George-k: how old is your giant dropper? because they have updated them and the new ones are super reliable.
  • 3 1
 @George-k: no dropper has a 0% failure rate, there are going to be some people unsatisfied with them. but look at any of the dropper comparison articles here. the comments sections are filled with people that love their giant dropper. you DEFINITELY won't find that with the reverb. if i had to guess, i would say the failure rate on the giants are 5%, and that's probably about average for the industry, whereas the failure rate for reverbs is 50%
  • 2 0
 @xeren: Check out the Bikeyoke Revive dropper. I haven't seen a negative review yet. Granted the post is only 6 months old, but I can't imagine anything going wrong with a post that you can "reset" yourself. Except of course, wear and tear eventually leading to a refresh.
  • 1 0
 @Endurahbrah: i'll check them out when i buy my next frame in a few months (which should fit a longer dropper), thanks. but I own 3 giant droppers, (one 3 years old, one 2, one 18 months) across 3 different bikes, and i've had zero problems with them, so it's hard to take a risk on anything new!
  • 2 0
 @xeren: FWIW, i've had six or seven Giant droppers and no problems.
  • 1 0
 @W-Hough: how long in between rides did you ride 30 days in a year im not trying to be rude more interested in wether long intervals of not riding effect the performance of a hydro/air product.
  • 1 0
 @xeren: I'm with you on that one all I'm basing this off is my own experience with giant and reverb droppers. I have had 3 reverbs all with no issues riding every day for the 1.5-2 year intervals I had them. The two giant contacts on the other hand, both from 2015 bikes had issues. Maybe Im just lucky with reverbs hah
  • 79 30
 Hard to ignore the taste of vomit in my mouth when I see e-Bike coverage.
  • 6 8
 What e-bikes?
  • 84 1
 @daugherd:
You mean watt e-bikes
  • 23 54
flag cragus-t (Jan 22, 2018 at 12:21) (Below Threshold)
 Embrace it. Let it take over you. Mmmmmm its nice
  • 13 3
 I passed a Haibike Sduro on the way to work today. But I was on a roadie. At least he didn’t have a hacked one
  • 3 2
 @cragus-t: haha surely this guy jests
  • 43 3
 Ugh, that Mondraker looks like pregnant crack whore. ... good gawd, what's wrong with me. That's a terrible comparison to make. I formally apologize to all crack whores. You no doubt look and ride way better than that Mondraker.
  • 11 25
flag apatipsychonaut4 (Jan 22, 2018 at 15:51) (Below Threshold)
 There's nothing wrong with e-bikes as long as people who really need them are the ones that use them, and with this i mean handicapped people.
  • 17 6
 It's a valid thing to have at a European bike show. E-MTBs are an absolutely massive market segment in Europe where they don't have issues with land access.
  • 16 2
 It’s just like fat bikes a few years ago. They’re gonna crowd the trade show halls for a few months, and then people will stop caring and we can move on with our lives. I wouldn’t worry too much, it’s just a phase.
  • 4 0
 I think you were supposed to send this on Snapchat or whatever 15-year-olds use now.
  • 8 2
 Fantic and Mondraker are off the list now.
  • 19 9
 I don't get the hate. The only real difference is that ebikes go uphill faster. Plus, ebikes are a great tool for trail builders who have to go a longer distance and be able to pack tools in. They are increasingly being used for that purpose, including myself.
  • 4 2
 @bcmrider: somewhere in Barcelona Cesar Rojo is reading this and going, yes! Someone finally get it!
  • 6 0
 @mnorris122: Europe does not have issues with land access? What gives you that idea? Almost in every European country there are trails now, that are banned for MTBs, and for example there's regions in Germany where proper mountainbiking is basically outlawed ("only trails wider than 2 meters allowed").
  • 1 7
flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 22, 2018 at 23:20) (Below Threshold)
 @FuzzyL: OMG bikes banned, ride somewhere else then? Or ride on banned trails just don’t tell everyone about it in every possible way? Also Germany is possibly the last country on Earth toban E-bikes. I’d rather expect them to create some trail centers with flow trails
  • 3 2
 An interesting fact. It came to my attention through anonymous source, that Traffic Office in Gothenburg is going to look into policing the use of E-bikes on the cycle paths. There are concerns since there has been an increase in cycling related accidents over recent 2 years and E-bikes are a noticeable culprit In many cases. Within speed limit of 25 (which I assume is too much to handle for people who cannot ride a fkng bike) Then there are now cases registered by Police of people hacking the max speed limitation of the assist. The highly anonymous source stated that anonymous representative of Traffic Office has been told by an anonymous politician that E-bikes are an important part of minimizing car use policy of the city of Gothenburg and they will be further promoted, so Police and Traffic Office will need to come up with take necessary measures to provide safety on cycle paths in the city.

So my friends, E-bikes are demanded by authorities...
  • 11 19
flag clarky78 (Jan 23, 2018 at 4:20) (Below Threshold)
 Go fuck yourself up the ass with your rigid forks, you backward, inbred fucking American retard. Fuck you. Bored to fucking death woth this ebike hate. I think I will petition pinkbike is closed just so you fuckwit whiners can't cry your eyes out everyday on it. Test.
  • 5 4
 So 10-15 years ago DH bikes were 50 lbs. Now we ride 34lb carbon dream bikes. So why the hell would you want to ride a 55-60lb ebike? It helps get up the hill? So does a chairlift. Oh you can ride trails that don't have chair lifts? Having any level of fitness also helps with that. Isn't that why we ride bikes?
  • 5 2
 Pink bike is just a dirty grubbing advertising hore for that E advertising money
  • 3 0
 @clarky78: wut?
  • 2 2
 @clarky78: you got nuts in your mouth?
  • 2 5
 @clarky78: I feel exactly the same way, and the fun part of it is that they express their childish discontent downvoting your comment if you try to politely defend the point of ebikes, they hate ebikes because they are not the people who actually need them, it's like hating aspirin just because you don't need them, but people who are in risk of a heart attack due need aspirin, you guys need to stop hating the things that don't go with your needs, you look stupid and childish. I hope none of you haters see yourself sometime in the future needing an ebike because you are not able to go up the hill without having a stroke or a cardiac arrest. Ebikes are meant for THAT kind of people, you hate ebikes because you are not one of these people who need them and you don't want to accept that other people do need them! You can hate all you want on people who use them because they're lazy, but don't get all the ebikes and ebikers in the same bag!
  • 4 0
 The Core Bike Trade show is in the UK, E-Bikes are popular in the UK, We have no trail access issues in the UK.

There is even e-bike categories in races now (Not Southern Enduro's) If it mean it gets more people out on bike I'm all for it, personally at this stage I wouldn't own one but maybe when I'm older.
  • 2 0
 @SouthernEnduro: how is it in UK with E-bike commuting? Are your towns and cities also pushing hard for E-bikes like in Sweden? In here you get 30% off the price from the state if you buy an ebike. As I wrote before they tell Police to not react for cases of people hacking the motor controllers. Just ride a bike to work instead of taking a car.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: they are getting more popular with commuting but no help from the state to buy. We do have a ride 2 work scheme that apply to any bike around £1000.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: So, how fast are these hacked e-bikes going then? There is a correction margin for cars too so (at least over here) you're being fined once you go over 7km/h too fast. So if an e-bikes rolls at 32km/h instead of 25km/h, is that such a big deal? There is so much more to it before something truly becomes an issue. Someone who maybe reaches 20km/h on a regular upright (7sp geared hub heavy beast) bike may reach 32km/h (unassisted) too on a racebike or a recumbent. Is that so much safer in traffic than the same person in an upright position (so they can actually look around) with pedal assist going the same pace? I'm sure it is pretty much the opposite. See, when I ride to work I also go between 25km/h and 30 (or faster if I feel like) on a regular (unassisted) bike with 8sp Nexus hub. I overtake some bikes with pedal assist, some overtake me. No big deal. Most people here use these bikes for commuting. To ride to work, bring kids to school or daycare, stuff like that. And I never ever felt their riding was remotely dangerous or obstructive. Real mopeds (with the wide ones with combustion engine) yes. But never bikes with pedal assist. Even the ones that go "too fast".

I know PB visitors tend to mix up skill and fitness which, especially in mountainbiking, are very distinct qualities. On the same mountainbike I expect someone coming from road cycling to climb faster than someone coming from BMX. But I'm going to trust the BMX rider to have a better chance to actually making it down the trail in one piece than the road cyclist down that same trail. Now with that in the backs of our mind, in traffic people on e-bikes generally don't ride any worse. Of course what we also have now is that there are indeed older people who are suddenly able to ride at a pace they're not used to and which does cause accidents. And silly enough it happen to be the PB visitors who in all their wisdom claim that bikes with pedal assist should be reserved for those who are physically unable to ride an unassisted bike!
  • 1 0
 @vinay: you're dreaming, as far as I know you can get to 50-60 with any better Bosch motor. 40 is not a problem for a dude I know on that fast red trek e-bike commuter. I read somewhere that Cavendish took Spec Turbo (commuter hybrid) to 76 on flat. So you break speed rule. Then you break the max power output of 250W rule, since most of motors are 500W, even 1000W as stock and batteries differ too. Then when you hack it you can run it without pedalling. Low speed but still.
  • 1 0
 @vinay: THIS popped up on my Facebook feed. Thing I was talking about on numerous occasions. A super light and rather fast E motorbike:

www.facebook.com/ridecake/?fref=mentions

I was saying that E-bike future is not so clear yet, since while bicycle companies have bottom up approach - motorizing a bicycle, moto companies go top to bottom, make super light, silent motos. No pedals, no bollocks. Both E-bikes and super light e-motos are attractive to folks who are too lazy to pedal and too scared to ride a proper moto. The line between a bicycle and a moto is blurring and we have no idea where it will go. Off course some morons here know that they will limit trail access just like other morons know Jesus will throw gay people to hell.

Oh and yesterday I saw a commercial of travel agency on Swedish TV where a girl with a dude ride on Haibikes towards the sunset.
  • 30 1
 Using the redundant left shift lever to operate the dropper post is a super cool idea!

I think Norco did it first with the Search XR that came out last year.
  • 6 1
 Yes it is awesome! We have been building Open's and Devinci Hatchets with dropper posts for gravel type builds, super fun!
  • 13 0
 I think I did that back in 2011 with an old XO shifter. Send royalties. Thanks.
  • 5 3
 Yep, but if you are not specifically a cx racer, you do want a 2x on a cx or road bike with wide tyres. Or at least I prefer it. The bike is more multifunctional and you get much better gear steps (something that you actually care about on these bikes).
  • 2 0
 I saw it a few years ago on a Jared Graves article and ended up doing the same with my Thomson and front XT shifter. It works really well and is super intuitive to use.
  • 1 0
 @bubbrubb: how well does your XO work? My XT is great. I am surprised SRAM and Shimano haven't seen the market for this.
  • 1 0
 @fartymarty: It's good as custom hack, but there is no point of selling it. 90% of the standard lever is the gear release mechanism, which you don't need at all on a dropper.
  • 1 0
 @IluvRIDING: Agreed that most of the shifter is for gears but it would be very simple for S or S to use the same housing and levers and make a dropper specific unit. It's really nice having matching levers aesthetically and in terms of lever feel.
  • 25 2
 " But how does a Minion DHR 2.5 WT on a 35mm rim measure up compared to a Minion 2.8in tire on a 50mm rim?
Here is the comparison, can you spot the difference?"

No, can only see DHF. Smile
  • 5 1
 Haha. Didn't catch that. I was thinking it was obvious: one was clearly mounted backwards.
  • 1 0
 Other than size.... One is Facing Forward the other is backward.. REALLY?!
  • 26 2
 A bluetooth controlled headlight is one of the dumbest things I've seen on this site. And I've read the eBike articles.
  • 1 0
 I think its a great step forward, I always forgetting to turn my head torch off full. It's really annoying when you have an hour of a night ride left and you run out of juice. The bar mounted control will really help me control the amount of power I used and there for make my light last longer (I currently only tend to get 2 ish hours).
  • 28 9
 Still don't understand e bikes, just buy a dirtbike for the same price and have 10 times more fun
  • 1 0
 You can legally ride E-Bikes on UK trails but you can't with Dirtbikes. This is why e-bikes are booming in the UK and whey there is a strong e-bike presents at Trade shows in the UK (Like CoreBike)
  • 16 0
 That Cane Creek Slamset is cool... Perfect for when you accidentally cut your steer tube a little to short. Not that I have every done that...cough cough...
  • 15 0
 I'm all about those lights that you can use your phone to turn on. I'm absolutely sick of using those lights that you turn on by pressing a button on the lights themselves. So annoying!
  • 8 0
 I know right, it's so much easier to take your phone out of your pocket/bag find the app load it and then switch them on.
  • 5 0
 @Captain1Eye: yeah especially in the freezing cold with gloves on, and when you're busting for a pee.
  • 17 0
 My hands stick to dodecahedrons way better than simple hexagons.
  • 15 0
 Why is it revolutionary to use 27.5 (650B) wheels on a road bike? That’s where that size originated.
  • 1 0
 This!!!
  • 2 0
 Maybe it's revolutionary to use the fake name 27.5?
  • 16 5
 "how does a Minion DHR 2.5 WT on a 35mm rim measure up compared to a Minion 2.8in tire on a 50mm rim? Here is the comparison, can you spot the difference?" i think so, but i can definitely spot the difference between a DHR and a DHF. c'mon pinkbike, this is tire and editorial 101 level stuff.
  • 19 8
 Not sure why they would need electric mopeds in the uk as the few mountains are pretty small.
  • 28 16
 .....it's a DHF dude! But why are motorcycles in a bicycle show?
  • 14 38
flag mhoshal (Jan 22, 2018 at 18:24) (Below Threshold)
 Again so all you morons can understand a pedal assist bike is NOT a fucken motorbike fuck there are alot of stupid fucken idiots on this site!!!!
  • 9 4
 @mhoshal: Pedal assist, also called MOPEDS! Pedal assist is the Marketing engine that’s bringing the e-bikes into LBS showrooms and will be the crying call for e-bikers into non-motorized trails!
  • 3 1
 @mhoshal: You do understand that the first motorcycles ever made were pedal assist right? Until engines got good enough to get rid of that garbage.
  • 4 0
 @mhoshal: damn dude, chill
  • 8 0
 man, I was hoping Fizik had come out with a new "Nut Ventilator" Seat...
alas...the ladies get all the cool stuff...
  • 40 0
 the technical term for vented ladies' saddle is a "Beaver Breather"
  • 5 0
 @knarrr: A snorkel?
  • 1 0
 @HerrDoctorSloth: teeheehee
  • 6 0
 Just by looking at the pictures, I can see that those Reynolds wheels are 28.99.
  • 4 2
 Here use our light strong carbon fiber rims for racing.
Are they going to last?
ill get back to you.
Here use our half pound heavier carbon fiber wheel set.
Carbon fiber is stronger than Al.
But only by a slight amount.
A very light Al. rim will dent before it compleatly fails.
Carbon rims crack with possibly no visual sighns.
Next time they explode.
I assume thata why most DH racers run Al. rims.
  • 6 0
 They passed the Bernard Kerr test, he hasn't broken them YET.

They cost £2150.

How amusing to put these two sentences back to back!
  • 5 1
 Anytime i hear doubts about carbon fiber i love showing this old video of the santa cruz test lab of carbon vs. Aluminum. The only thing holding me back from carbon wheels is the price.

m.pinkbike.com/news/santa-cruz-bicycles-test-lab.html
  • 8 0
 @BobbyLite: Yes Carbon fiber is lighter and stronger than Al.
Would you pay 400$ a rim if they are only 50 grams lighter?
No.
200 grams ?
yes.
Only that 200 gram saving came at a cost of durabuility.
Proof?
200 grams of Carbon fiber are added to makes these hoops strong.
  • 1 0
 @Sshredder: now add the weight of tyre insert to protect the carbon rim. Yeah carbon is stronger torsionally but sharp impacts are another thing. Add the rim protection weights an pop goes that advantage
  • 4 1
 @nojzilla: Why are we even talking about performance, when the price is loony!?

The difference between a carbon and an ally frame is a lot less than the difference between an ally rim and a carbon one? Carbon rims are the most overpriced joke going. No wonder so many companies have sprung up selling them. The margins must be INSANE!
  • 2 0
 @nojzilla: I don't know, I played ice hockey and we used carbon fibre sticks partly due to the weight saving but also they were so strong the aluminium sticks would bend before an carbon would. They took some real abuse so I would put my confidence in them the only thing putting me off is the price
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 @JOHN8LAZE: I agree that carbon is marginally better than aluminium. I feel it's pretty incredible that we have somehow come to this point where a pair of wheels costs over two thousand pounds! You don't even get tyres or brake discs! Imagine spending over two thousand pounds on a pair of wheels and then having to spend another three hundred on other parts before you can use them.
And then there is the comment about how Bernard Kerr has not broken them yet. That they use the word yet is an admission that they are expected to fail. So here we are, reading a real article about a pair of wheels that costs over two thousand pounds, not including tyres, that is expected to fail! I mean, really? This is what it's come to? And people find this to be normal? Do people actually buy wheels like this?
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 @Sshredder: Price is whats holding me back. If carbon were close the Al in price id pick carbon everytime. I agree an extra $400 for a marginal weight savings is insane.
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 @jaame: " I feel it's pretty incredible that we have somehow come to this point where a pair of wheels costs over two thousand pounds! You don't even get tyres or brake discs! Imagine spending over two thousand pounds on a pair of wheels and then having to spend another three hundred on other parts before you can use them."

just don't buy them then.

I find it incredible that I can literally spend a million pounds on a car. But because I can't afford that, i just buy a normal one and get on with my life, leaving the £1m car to those who can afford it. other than appreciating the aesthetic qualities and the engineering impressiveness of said car, it has absolutely no effect on my life.
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 @hungrymonkey: I get your point, but that car can do a lot of things that a normal car cannot do, like get you a lot of pussy. I don't see girls lining up for a shag with guys just because they have carbon rims on their mountain bike.
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 So, who thinks that a carbon Coron would bump the price into 4-digit territory?
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 The previous POC carbon helmet was around 500€ so I'm not sure it would go for more than 1k€ but they sell knee pads for almost 200€.
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 it should be kicking the $600 cad price point, the coron air helmets are for whatever reason considerably cheaper
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 @Tr011: Where did you find the price for the Coron air, I can't find it anywhere.
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 @vid1998: our shop deals poc, its the best priced carbon lid out there
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 @vid1998: he probably read this:
"The Coron Air features a multi-impact EPP liner and has lost a very impressive 300-400g weight, nearly $200 from the price tag"
m.vitalmtb.com/features/POC-Creates-New-SPIN-Helmet-Pads-to-Reduce-Rotational-Injuries-More-Lightweight-Knee-Pads-and-Some-F,1992
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 @vid1998: coron air carbon will retail for $450 cad and its a very cool white and black
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 i think this means we're not getting a bike review this week. i read RC's review of the 8pins dropper thinking we'd get a review of the liteviille, but i guess no. my week is already ruined
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 A bluetooth controlled Light, Ya thats what we needed.
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 Maxxis tyres are quite hard to get already...so i wonder how will they cope now...if this price cut is actually going forward or the prices at CRC will just maintain the same?
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 ‘Meet the demands of riders like Kerr’ ..so..there is only one pair that can be sold in this planet..
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 Ya all can't stand e-bikes? Well there is new kid on the block!
www.pragma-industries.com/products/light-mobility
We will be pumping hydrogene into our two wheeled friends
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 Is it just me, or is everyone skirting the real question. Why a dropper on a road bike...? Maybe I am missing the obvious however
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 Slamset is cool - would certainly seem to be the new default answer to lowering the bar stack height via the headset.
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 Carbon thru-axles? Why!??
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 At least carbon performs well under tension?
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 They were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
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 Those are old hat now. I’ve been riding on the 14.99mm thru axle. I’m never going back.
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 Carbon, uh...finds a way
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 Jurassic Park quotes on Pinkbike and my morning is made.
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 Reverbs are the worst.... unless..... converted to the wolf tooth sustain. Then they are awesome.
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 Can't wait to sell my custom titanium bike, Ferrari, and all other assets to pay for that Carbon fiber POC Coron!
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 CaneCreek headset? Nah, I have since 3 years ago a FSA headset with that "new" feature.
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 650b in a road bike? Check out the 2018 Brodie bikes. They've gone all in on 650b road bikes including the Romax.
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 Carbon axels NO THANK YOU!!!!
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 Meh... another slow news day
  • 1 0
 Anyone for a bell? Euro bell....
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 it actually yells "STRAVA" when you ding it
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 ...but where can I get that sweet reflector displayed on the Jekyll?!
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 Did I just see Candy's in plastic? Again? Hmmmmm....
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 Read E-Bike and ignored the pictures easily
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 i can't spot the difference.
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 ENDURA. love everything they do for the MT500 series!!
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 Fabric frame bag looks so terrible..
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 Crankbrothers are good!
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