Tech Randoms - Lenzerheide DH World Cup 2017

Jul 5, 2017
by Ross Bell  
The teams have had little respite after a brutal weekend last time out in Andorra and mechanics have been focusing on rebuilds prior to the first practice session in Lenzerheide tomorrow morning. The sun is baking down, the track looks rough, and we've been for a snoop around the lengthy lakeside pits here in Lenzerheide. Here's what we found…

The sun is beating down here with the pits offering little shelter for the mechanics apart from a little shade.
  The sun is beating down here with the pits offering little shelter for the mechanics.

Norco preparing for some F1 style pitstops this weekend.
Norco preparing for some F1 style pit stops this weekend.
A small lead weight on the wheels in the Norco pits.
A small lead weight on the wheels in the Norco pits.

Gee Atherton is back in business this weekend mechanic Pete gets to work on a fresh rebuild.
  Gee Atherton is back in business this weekend, mechanic Pete gets to work on a fresh rebuild.

What comes off must go back on... The teams have a long day ahead of them after setting up the pits late last night and early this morning.
  What comes off must go back on... The teams have a long day ahead of them after setting up the pits late last night and early this morning.

Rachel Atherton s Session getting a little loving in the Lenzerheide sun.
  Rachel Atherton's Session getting a little loving in the Lenzerheide sun.

A fresh rear end on the Saracen Myst of Matt Walker.
  A fresh rear end on the Saracen Myst of Matt Walker.

There s three positions of adjust-ability to lengthen the wheelbase...
There are three positions of adjustability to lengthen the wheelbase...
... and coincidentally on the longest setting they fit 29 wheels we ll see whether Walker opts for them further down the line.
... and coincidentally on the longest setting they fit 29" wheels, we'll see whether Walker opts for them further down the line.

The axle. The rear end is not production despite being carbon they are still testing options but are enjoying the improved stability and improved efficiency on the suspension.
  The axle. The rear end is not production despite being carbon, they are still testing options but are enjoying the improved stability and efficiency from the suspension.

Adam Brayton has gone back to the standard Hope V4s after last week.
  Adam Brayton has gone back to the standard Hope V4s after last week.

The monstrous 6 pot brakes have been dropped with less of an emphasis on braking here.
The monstrous six-pot brakes have been dropped with less of an emphasis on braking here.
The team were surprised with just how well the brakes dealt with the long and brutal Andorran track. Not even reaching the lowest reading on the temperature gauge.
The team were surprised with just how well the brakes dealt with the long and brutal Andorran track. Not even reaching the lowest reading on the temperature gauge.

Vibrations dampeners dotted throughout the frames in the Commencal pits.
  Vibration dampers dotted throughout the frames in the Commencal pits.

Smaller rotors waiting to be strapped onto Marcelo Gutierrez s Glory after last week s brutal test of brakes on the steep and long Andorran track.
  Smaller rotors waiting to be strapped onto Marcelo Gutierrez's Glory after last week's brutal test of brakes on the steep and long Andorran track.

A stiffer tune on the shock of Eliot Jackson to help deal with the high speed nature of the Lenzerheide track.
  A stiffer tune on the shock of Eliot Jackson to help deal with the high speed nature of the Lenzerheide track.

Some fresh deliveries arriving into the pits this weekend.
Plenty of deliveries arriving into the pits this weekend.
A fresh range on an e 13 cassette for the Polygon crew. A 10-20T compared to the old 9-21T for those interested...
A new range on an e-thirteen cassette for the Polygon crew. A 10-20T compared to the old 9-21T for those interested...

Fresh pedals in the Propain pits with a chunky plastic body.
  Fresh prototype pedals in the Propain pits with a chunky plastic body.

No other details but Phil Atwill said he was loving them.
  No other details but Phil Atwill said he was loving them.

Harder compound rubber going on in the Transition pits to eek out a little more rolling speed from the faster Lenzerheide course.
  Harder compound rubber going on in the Transition pits to eek out a little more rolling speed from the faster Lenzerheide course.

Danny Hart s mechanic Christian making everything is mm perfect.
  Danny Hart's mechanic Christian making sure everything is millimeter perfect.

Fresh decals ready for Danny Hart s 40s.
Fresh decals ready for Danny Hart's 40s.
A fresh delivery of Maxxis rubber in the Canyon pits.
A fresh delivery of Maxxis rubber in the Canyon pits.

The winning bike from last weekend Troy Brosnan s Canyon Sender ready to go again.
  The winning bike from last weekend, Troy Brosnan's Canyon Sender, ready to go again.

Miranda Miller s shifter is cooler than yours.
  Miranda Miller's shifter is cooler than yours.


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103 Comments
  • 159 0
 Gee HAS to be a robot. To come back from that kind of injury this fast? Cmon. ROBOT. No question...
  • 40 2
 He's a fuckin workhorse
  • 26 1
 Dude's clearly a Vulcan, look at those eyes, look at that jaw line, oh wait I'm swooning...
  • 48 2
 Apparently Gee is still looking for Sara Connor. Terminator mode re-activated.
  • 18 0
 For reals. If you told me to put money on who'd be healthier to ride - Rachel or Gee, I would've bet the house on Rachel being in better shape, but now I'm not so sure as she still seems pretty tentative. Hell, I figured his season was effectively over. All those Athertons are hard as week old French bread.
  • 15 3
 For real though. Not my favorite rider personality or style wise, but I have to admire his work ethic. Dude cares about what he does.
  • 19 0
 Gee's season is pretty much wrap[ed up - but damn, I want him back on winning form again - it's been too long, with too much bad luck. Great he's back!
  • 32 0
 visit from dr. kreiger?
  • 4 0
 Yeah, let's hope for him he hasn't forced his body into competition too soon. Injuryceptions suck...
  • 3 0
 Beast mode activated for Gee. I'm surprised he's racing. But he can test himself this weekend and still recover for Mt St Ann
  • 4 0
 maybe he's actually Peter Sagan visiting from the tour
  • 1 0
 @RedBurn: "Come with me if you want to shred."
  • 2 2
 @powderturns: Would not put it past Sagan racing and winning on MTB, after being kicked out the tour de France for no good reason
  • 1 0
 @aljoburr: that was some serious BS...and Sagan is in the Tomac mold. a Badass bike rider. Period.
  • 1 0
 Athertons are actually honey badgers in human suits, didn't you know?
  • 59 0
 Pinkbike I expect to see a double-blind test comparing the AXS damper to a folded up gum wrapper. Wrigley's may be missing out on a huge market...
  • 5 1
 I will add that for this test they should be fitted to a battery operated sex toy.
  • 24 1
 I looooove tech randoms. Hey Nelson
  • 2 0
 Jimmy0 back at it again!
  • 23 0
 Wishing nothing but gold this weekend for Miranda - kill it girl!
  • 20 0
 I still think Gracia is going to take the World Champs this year #comeback2017 #winebreath
  • 19 2
 dat vibration damper doe
  • 18 1
 Millions of dollars spent on MTB R&D... Suspension, tires, materials... We've been duped all along... Wheel size for what??? ... Stick these on a Walmart bike and you're sorted for life!
  • 3 1
 @Spark24: put some of that carbon pattern tape on the Huffy's bars and frame and boom! rainbow jersey.
  • 7 1
 It looks like their 'facts' about the Commencal team are as accurate as their product claims:

• Rémi Thirion, several times winner at the World Cup 2016
• George Brannigan, champion at the World Cup 2016
  • 14 0
 look at their site... vibration damper on a cast fork lug, vibration damper on the shock reservoir, damper on outside edge of triple clamp... 100% horseshit. Gwyneth Paltrow motorsports
  • 1 0
 @ianmp: I'm curious why those are specifically bad places to put a damper? Not that it would matter where they stuck 'em.
  • 2 0
 @phile99: picture a guitar string being plucked-- it twangs back and forth between two extremes for a while, making the tone. The tone is the resonant frequency of the string (based on string material, diameter, length, and tension). The center of the string is where the highest amplitude of vibration occurs; where the string gets closer to the fret it tightens back up and there's less noise.

Now imagine a 3D guitar string: it's a drum skin. The center of the drum skin has the highest amplitude and makes the most noise. The most useful place for a constrained layer damper, if it does anything, is at the point of highest amplitude.

I'm sure if you put that doohicky in the center of a drum skin it would noticeably lower the frequency, and the sound would go from "tonk" down to "thunk" or something. If you stick it near the edge of the skin though, the effect is way less. If you stick it to the fiberglass side of the drum... it might not be perceptible.

I'm suggesting is that the places on the bike they are putting these little squares of foil is like sticking them to the leg of the drum kit. Never mind that they look too small to do anything, they would have to first be located somewhere sensible-- the widest, thinnest, flattest, carbon'est parts of the bike. Front center of an oversized carbon downtube? Maybe it'll sound a little different like an aluminum bike to steel... but even that is being pretty charitable.
  • 12 1
 You can get them from the magic shop, along with extra large Placebo pills.
  • 7 0
 Is the lead on the opposite side of the stem (the wheel pictured)? To balance like a car wheel?

I need to get some of that heat? shrink cable managment that Miranda has; zip ties and velcro isn't nearly as clean or cool!
  • 5 1
 Electrical tape is easier to apply and looks almost as good
  • 4 0
 I did it on my bike. as you can imagine, was a bit of a pain to set up, but it does really keep things clean. I think it makes the bike quieter due to less housings clacking against each other as well. bought the heat shrink at Ace hardware, think it's about 3/4" diameter. Heat gun is worth using over a lighter or whatnot, it was much easier to get uniform heat & keep it away from the rest of the bike.
  • 2 0
 @Happymtbfr: Somehow I have never considered using electrical tape for that purpose. I know what I am going to go and try on my bike tonight.
  • 1 0
 Speed balanced...
  • 11 0
 @neologisticzand: electrical tape sucks. Heat & time makes the glue go all gooey, & it doesn't withstand sunlight very well. heatshrink is significantly better than any other way I've done it(enough to keep doing it in the future, which is saying something when you have to disconnect a brake line to do it) but if I was going to use tape, I'd use gorilla, or some other duct tape. Duct tape withstands UV better, & the glue is more stable.
  • 3 0
 @neologisticzand: electrical tape will not last long. On a warm day in the sun, the adhesive will get soft and start unwrapping. Then the sticky stuff collects dirt and no longer sticks.
  • 3 0
 heat shrink sleeve > elec tape. All day.
  • 4 0
 Normal electrical tape won't hold on the the cables that long, the glue isn/t very well (for this purpose)
You can use vulcanizing tape, it hasn't got any glue, so your cables will come out clean but the different layers of tape will "melt" to each other to make a lasting bond. Won't look as tidy as shrink-wrap but it's a lot less work...
  • 1 0
 @hotsnail: If you're talking about the stuff known as "rescue tape" I tried it, & it adds so much bulk as to be really ugly looking. Maybe if they made it in a thinner style.

I still use it on my chain stay though. Works great for that.
  • 1 0
 @groghunter: tesa tape used for automotive looming of cables works rad plus it's kinda furry so doesn't rattle also stable at high temps as is used in engine bays
  • 8 0
 *incoming vibration dampening comments*
  • 12 3
 They surely sent some shockwaves across the audience the last time they appeared...
  • 2 0
 Nah, the triggered vibes have been dampened.
  • 3 0
 @Connerv6: All this dampening talk gets me real moist
  • 7 0
 why not vibration damper as wheel balancer?
  • 1 0
 A couple weeks ago there was a write up on the giant mechanic talking about how at higher speed he is opening up the compression on the shock (maybe it was on vitalmtb). what does he mean by a stiffer tune on the shock here? a heavier spring? - wouldn't that just affect preload?
  • 5 0
 I just love this stuff. Go Miranda!
  • 4 0
 You know you are fast when your wheels get balanced. Balance wheel and tire, then add sealant?
  • 2 0
 What does a bike wheel balancer look like? Does such a machine exist? How's it done? I'm curious because in MX, where the wheel is spinning much faster than a bicycle (the rear at least) this isn't even a thing. So how do you balance a bike wheel (not true it)?
  • 1 0
 Sealant shouldn't make a difference if it's fresh (WC racers it is) it will spread pretty much evenly throughout the tire
  • 2 0
 I guess could just use an adapter made for an automotive balencer, or a road going motorbike, those wheels get balanced, or i guess you could just weigh the valve and add approximately the same amount of weight directly opposite to counteract that imbalance, wouldn't help if there were any imbalances in the rim though @Chadimac22:
  • 3 0
 @downhillrob2010: You can probably get close just letting the wheel rotate on it's own bearings. Spin the wheel vertically, let it come to a rest, put a little weight on the upper part of the rim. Repeat.
  • 2 0
 @Chadimac22: This guy shows how to do it, I've heard the estimate is low single digit watts. Probably makes a difference in a TDF breakaway but on a DH course I doubt its worth the trouble. www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcgiUcbS64c
  • 1 0
 Really interesting to see the adjustable axle on the Saracen. Curious if the various positions have any effect on the bottom bracket height as well as wheelbase. The idea has been around for a while, most recent version I saw was on a Gunslinger BMX frame which allowed movement of the axle in a vertical direction only. This seems to add another dimension to the theory - literally - and it will be interesting to see if it is a game changer or just another layer of complexity in the tuning to be accounted for with no real gain for the effort. I will say that the idea of being able to swap out to a 29" wheel does seem interesting though!
  • 1 0
 I notice the Pros have coils on their shocks that have bugger all coils, yet production shocks come with a lot more coils in the springs...
What's the go there? Is this a weight saving measure or is the performance significantly better?
  • 4 0
 The new lightweight Aluminium or Steel springs on the market have less coils for their length, they weigh similar or less to titanium springs but cost a bit less, albeit still costing an arm and a leg, rumour has it they have a much shorter fatigue life than a standard steel spring though, not that that bothers a pro.
  • 1 0
 The SA Racing springs only come in one length and can be used on a range of different shock lengths by using a plastic spacer of a corresponding size.
  • 1 0
 More coils = lower spring rate. Pros run em stiff, fewer coils are harder to bend (imagine unwinding the coil and trying to bend a longer vs shorter rod the same distance)
  • 2 0
 I would really love to see you guys reviewing these vibration dampers! I've read the marketing text and that sounds to me pretty mouch esoteric. Would be interesting to read if these things actually work!
  • 4 0
 tech randoms are the best. have more.
  • 1 0
 Another thought. Does anyone have any experience with the braided hydraulic hose used in the Hope brakes? Looks very bad ass but I could see it chewing up a carbon frame pretty quickly after a couple of runs.
  • 2 0
 I have upgraded all my E4 brakes to use braided, and the DH (V4) version comes that way stock. They all have a nice plastic? coating on the lines, so there has been no frame rub or blemishes other than the typical issues for shifter cable or standard brake cable (3M 'copter tape works great).
The two negatives:
1. the diameter of the cable is larger than a normal line, so sometimes things get tight, depending on your frame
2. you need to use good (Swiss?) cable cutters and a nice, sharp exacto knife when / if you shorten them to avoid frayed ends. You can work with number two with good tools, and number one ain't so bad.

It's really more bling (I think), I have not been able to notice a difference between steel braid and not, but I love the look. The theory would be, the steel braid removes any (if there is any) hose flex?

I love my Hope steel braided brakes. First update to any new bike.
  • 1 1
 I tried to cut Hope braided hose without perfect tools. It was awful. I'll stick with
Sram/Shimano brakes...
  • 2 0
 Is PinkBike going to come clean with how much they're being paid to keep giving time to these BS "vibration dampening" patches?
  • 2 0
 Interesting to see e13 move from the 9t up to the 10t. Maybe SRAM had it right all along?
  • 3 0
 It's just a closer ratio for this particular course, no?
  • 3 0
 Canyon Senders just look so good
  • 3 0
 So any other teams still on 29ers other than SC and Intense?
  • 1 0
 This is as ridiculous as when magic necklaces and bracelets became popular in baseball
  • 1 0
 Somebody knows where to get such awesome trigger covers as shown on Miranda´s bike?
  • 2 1
 So where do I purchase some of these vibration damping sticker things?
  • 35 1
 The same place that sells L-shaped cranks, soldering kits for spoke crossings and homeopatic doping.
  • 18 1
 on ebay, between magnetic bracelet and magic stick.
  • 6 1
 Next to the muffler bearings at the auto parts store
  • 1 0
 www.emsdiasum.com/microscopy/products/vibration/vibration.aspx

I think the best place is to have the mechanics use a vibration damped bench, or tune your suspension better or ride a track bike on a velodrome. Maybe Helium in the tyres?
  • 5 0
 Same place as you can find elbow grease and tartan paint
  • 6 4
 Cheeroke hair tampons work better
  • 1 0
 @bcamapgnolo: helium wouldn't stay in your wheel for long...
  • 1 0
 @fracasnoxteam: Good call. Nitrogen? Maybe Cotton Candy? Smile
  • 2 3
 Go to your local hardware store and ask for aluminum vibration tape get it as thick as possible. Cut it into strips and place on the bottom of your top tube downtube chain and seat stays layer strips if you can't get the thick stuff. It's the same concept but I don't think those tiny little ones would do much of anything. I started using it at work to cut vibration and reduce wear on parts in the machine we make. I slapped some on my bike after reading somethin on here a few months ago about this and I noticed a minor difference in chatter and I guess fatigue. I used 4 to 6in by 1/2in strips. Aluminum hardtail. I don't think it does anything but cut some hand/shoulder fatigue.
  • 2 0
 @loganflores: No, you didn't notice anything. No way does the tape you applied have any practical effect.
  • 1 1
 @aaronjb: Have you tried it? I haven't but can attest to vibration tape working on machines and a lot of other scenarios. Dampening the vibrations in metal panels is the easiest one to prove. They probably don't work like magic for bikes, maybe more like aspirin.
  • 3 0
 @MikeGruhler: so you are saying the tape makes machines "wet" in other scenarios?

Or do you mean damping?
  • 4 0
 I can't believe this goes on... it may look stupid it may sound stupid but don't let it deceive you - it is stupid. Some ideas are so stupid only an intellectual would find them attractive. if you need even more intellectual shaming, please read "Emperor's new clothes". Vibrating machines, I tell you more, you put fkng thick sheets of rubber and sometimes even suspension between machine and the floor to minimize transfer of vibrations to the surrounding and increase the effectivness of the machine itself ... wait...

This is the biggest load of bullsht that cycling has ever seen, it's technological homeopathy at work. A proof that racers are not normal people. They just aren't. Arguing about it is building an altar to stupidity. To finish and get my self out of this insanity: when you stare long enough into the void, the void looks back at you. Unbelievable, un-fkng-believable...
  • 3 0
 @WAKIdesigns: It took a while, but I guess we finally managed to troll Waki Wink
  • 1 0
 @graeme187: I feel worthless... mother should have kept the stork and throw away the baby...
  • 1 1
 How come I can't find more info on Matt Walker's adjustable wheelbase Saracen Myst?
  • 2 0
 Fairly certain the caption mentioned something about it not being production yet and that they were still testing options but loving the results.
  • 1 0
 That whole rear end is not production. So prototype stuff still. Seems more companies are starting to throw down for actual carbon prototypes for race teams even when not ready for production or sometimes with no intention of going into production.
  • 1 0
 Those are probably FUNN pedals on Atwill's bike
  • 1 0
 *Generic anti jet-wash comment*
  • 1 0
 that 6p brake looks like it's taken off of a locomotive o.O
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