Tech Randoms: Snowshoe DH World Cup 2019

Sep 5, 2019
by Ross Bell  
The World Champs bike hangover was still being felt today as attention turned to World Cups finals in Snowshoe; mechanics were busy rebuilding after the travel down from Mont-Sainte-Anne to West Virginia. Before checking out the track we went for a lap of the pits to see what was going down:

The camo is out. Let s get this party started America.
The camo is out. Let's get this party started, America.

Carbon goodness from We Are one.
Carbon goodness from We Are one.

Lucas was in a podium spot until the last few riders came down in MSA.
Lucas was in a podium spot until the last few riders came down in MSA.
Monkey eyes on Lucas Cruz s Trek.
Monkey eyes on Lucas Cruz's Trek.

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
As usual it was a busy track walk day for the RockShox and SRAM crew.

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Everyone was wanting a suspension freshen up after MSA.

Dampers ready to go over at SRAM.
Dampers ready to go over at SRAM.
A box of Boxxers ready to roll.
A box of Boxxers ready to roll.

Teams are busy smoothing out bent and broken parts from last weekend.
Teams are busy smoothing out bent and broken parts from last weekend.

Field notes that make all the difference.
Field notes that make all the difference.

World Champ Vali Holl s bike ready for another round.
World Champ Vali Holl's bike ready for another round.

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Norco are sticking with their retro World Champs bikes this weekend.
Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Silence is the name of the game.

HSP linkage art.
HSP linkage art.

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Aaron Gwin's prototype Intense M279 ready to take on Snowshoe.

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Detail shots of the linkage of the M279 that broke cover in MSA.

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
We saw these prototype TRP calipers a while ago but still await any real detailed information on them.

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Greg Minnaar's Santa Cruz V10 getting kitted up with the Motion Instruments data acquisition system.

Greg Minnaar s super tall stack height.
Greg Minnaar's super tall stack height.

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Fork gets remounted to Reece Wilson's Trek Session after a service at SRAM.

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Danny Hart continuing to run the floating brake arm on his Saracen Myst.

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Brake bleed time in the Saracen pits.

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Myriam Nicole's World Champs winning Commencal Supreme sitting pretty.

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Snowshoe World Cup 2019
She runs SRAM G2 brakes over the Codes as she thinks the balance of modulation and power is better suited to her weight.

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Amaury Pierron and Remi Thirion have two very different riding styles and bike setups to match...

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Snowshoe World Cup 2019
They have a different preference on the feel of their shocks and run different air cans as a result. Amaury will also move his shock position to change the geometry and make the bike slightly steeper for the track here in Snowshoe.

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Martin Maes has switched to the 29/27.5 setup on his GT Fury this weekend,

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Snowshoe World Cup 2019
They've tested both configurations this year and opted for the full 29" setup in MSA as they thought it'd suit the track more.

Dialing rear shocks back in after the brutality that was Mont Sainte Anne.
Dialing shocks back in after the brutality that was Mont Sainte Anne.

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Snowshoe World Cup 2019
That's a whole lot of Kashima right there.

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Soaking seals in the FOX pits.

Snowshoe World Cup 2019
Your shins would soon know about these pins if you were to slip a pedal.



110 Comments

  • 147 4
 I really should be studying
  • 23 2
 Well I'm glad I'm not the only one...
  • 24 1
 You are. Tech Randoms study.
  • 19 1
 Another member of the procrastudying crew here!
  • 101 0
 School is important but bikes are importanter
  • 5 3
 Me: T-10 days until biggest test of my life so far... (Cue The Final Countdown)
Small rational Jiminy Cricket part of my brain: WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU MAN YOU SHOULD BE STUDYING!!!
Me: Awww... but this is fun... I'll study in a minute...
...
Ohooooh New DH WC bike stuff on PB! WOOT!
Hours later. ... Facepalm Big Grin
  • 1 0
 Same here but mines this Friday. Struggling. @mtbikeaddict:
  • 1 0
 @dro-cfr: LOL not helping... see, comparatively speaking I have plenty of time! Razz
Signing off (for) now I think, actually
  • 2 1
 @thook: i agree, bike porn is more important than book learning.
  • 9 0
 Studying is important to get the qualifications to be become a dentist to be able to afford that new carbon superboost hybrid yeti
  • 3 0
 Well I should be working right now, hope my boss does not catch me reading all this stuff.
  • 2 0
 You have to turn the brightness down and all notifications off to go full ninja. Don't get caught out there.
  • 8 3
 I should be commenting on socialism and transgender rights on Cuba in relation to shock mount on that Norco but all I have is love for the game today.
  • 1 1
 @ibis09:
So give me what I got to get so I can go
'Cause I ain't washin dishes in the ditch no more
'Cause I ain't gonna work for no soul-suckin jerk
I'm gonna take it all back and I ain't sayin jack
'Cause I ain't gonna work for no soul-suckin jerk
I'm gonna take it all back and I ain't sayin jack
  • 2 1
 Year 12 exams n shit round the corner but yeah nah
  • 2 0
 @Campbell-Thompson: yeah I have less than 2 months before I graduate high school but f*ck it let me look at bike parts on the internet
  • 59 1
 Sad its the last world cup DH race of the season, already. Summer screamed by.
  • 56 4
 Gotta love that Saint brakes are still on bikes after six years with no updates.
  • 20 2
 Not saying they are outdated but if youre a shimano rider you gotta run their brakes wether theyre outdated or not
  • 9 1
 don't fix what's not broken I guess it goes. That being said im sure they are cooking something up after redoing most of there line this year.
  • 17 0
 Ton of riders are riding the xtr brakes if that says anything
  • 3 0
 Welcome to the backwoods, they really brought UCI to Snowshoe hahahaha. I'll be there in 2 hours.
  • 3 1
 Would be really surprised if the next generation of Saint brakes isn't 7speed compatible with a short microshift freewheel (to make more room between the flanges). So that may make it a very Saint specific hub. If they initially developed it around that Sylence (or however it was spelled) tech and that tech didn't turn out to work it sent them back to the drawing board. Whereas for XTR, they could bump up some XT parts that were already under development. For the niche market Saint needs to cater for (new gravity XTR is already more capable and those on a budget are already well served with Zee) they probably already put too much engineering time and money into it (if the scenario above actually happened).

Of course for most people who need to buy their parts (so those not already sponsored), XTR is already overkill but in that market there may be more people willing to splash their money. Back in 2004 Saint was the only gravity specific groupset. Right now and especially with newcomers (TRP, Box) focussing on DH exclusively, the market is saturated. Plus of course some of their tech they invested in lately (Di2 with clever front-rear mech synchronization etc, being able to downshift under load) just doesn't make sense for a DH groupset. So yeah, other than the smaller sprocket that the microspline would accept, there may just be much to gain with a new DH groupset. It is just prestige and marketing for the brand on the highest level. But they won't be making any money selling Saint groupsets.
  • 57 24
 Does the winner get a free gun with ammo?
  • 16 4
 Sponsored by Walmart's surplus.
  • 28 42
flag savage47 (Sep 4, 2019 at 17:58) (Below Threshold)
 You live in America? And your gonna said dumb shit like that.
  • 10 4
 @carraig042: Wal-Mart just cut their gun and ammo sales.
  • 57 20
 Welcome to ammo-sexual America. Where the kids wear bulletproof backpack to school. #wehaveaproblemhouston
  • 9 1
 @Jimmy0: not before they took out violent video game ads lmao
  • 5 1
 @Jimmy0: whoosh
  • 10 0
 @fruitsd79: I see now. I will forever live with this public humiliation
  • 5 0
 @bsarfino: So just to be clear, ammo-sexuals are the only group it's OK to speak ill of on PB? Don't want to accidentally misorient a newly enlightened gun owner.
  • 2 0
 @BDKR: I heard Dorian was headed your way. That was close! #prayforalabama
  • 1 0
 @Jimmy0: exactly why they have so much extra now haha!
  • 23 0
 Holy brake-mount-adapter-height, Commencal-man! The Penguin and Riddler are bemused....
  • 15 1
 Why doesn’t Minnaar ride a higher rise bar and drop a couple of spacers? Lordy, that setup scares me. Wasn’t there a recent note about him replacing the bolts after each run?
  • 2 0
 He did when he was with enve, it was even named the Minnaar Bar. Not sure what he uses now but maybe they don’t make one?
  • 2 0
 ya, doesn't quite make sense. That many spacers and a reach adjust headset? Burgtec makes a tall rise bar that would make a lot more sense in this situation, he could maybe even run it without the reach adjust headset. But hell, what do I know, he doesn't seem to be having any problems.
  • 1 0
 maybe a larger rise bar changes the position of the actual bar ends because of sweep and rake or is that wrong?
  • 2 0
 @Bearlover well, I guesd we'll have to wait and see. He seems to be able to ride ok...
  • 4 0
 He should knock on SAMCRO’s door for a bar
  • 2 0
 Remember a few years ago when super slammed front ends were fashionable? Everyone started making flat bars and zero rise stems. It's hard to find wide bars over 20mm high. I patiently await the return of suitable bars to DH.
  • 12 0
 The Commencal's alloy frame is probably cheaper than their Enve carbon wheelset.
  • 2 1
 and less likely to lose you your job
  • 7 0
 Currently packing our bags and heading to WV in the AM. It's on son!!!
  • 3 0
 Not jealous at all... :-(
  • 3 0
 Currently supposed to be waking up 500ft from the start gate at Snowshoe.Thanks hurricane Dorian for fucking that up!Couldnt have stayed home without ya!
  • 13 7
 Sram spent a long day track walking = picking up all of the pieces that fell off their components.
  • 4 0
 I’m surprised they are fixing sidewall dents and other parts. What’s the rule for parts change ups? Can they replace whatever whenever (frame, wheels, etc.)?
  • 21 0
 likely a non-factory riders bike.
  • 12 1
 No reason to waste perfectly good parts that are just a bit bent. The teams do have a budget.
  • 6 0
 could you build a "functioning" bike out of stuff that is discarded in the pits? slightly worn tires, dented rims, brakes/suspension that seeps fluid
  • 1 3
 @racerfacer: for sure tyres id they dis not cut the sidewalls on purpose before throwing them out
  • 2 0
 @racerfacer: Brakes that seep fluid are likely not found on a functioning bike
  • 5 1
 They 100% were not fixing that sidewall dent, that rim would explode in a single run if it was bent back. The entire rim bed was cracked and could not be fixed, completely compromised. Riders can replace parts as needed throughout the entire race between each run. Apart from rim cracks, I'm sure riders, especially privateers, ride with bent brake levers or just bend them back with a wrench after every crash.
  • 3 0
 @racerfacer: Brilliant idea. Imma go to the WC and raid the dumpsters. New bike day! Mwahaha! Big Grin
  • 1 2
 Absolutely. Agreed. Not to mention that the rim would never run true again...and in a discipline increasingly about incremental gains and splitting hairs. Would be really hard to keep that wheel off of the pads, especially at the lowish tensions that some racers opt to run.
  • 3 0
 @racerfacer: I got Minaars deemax rimsdoing a pit walk/lurk years ago and they had much less of a dent than what is shown. I got another year out of them. Felt like winning the lottery
  • 2 0
 @HogtownWheelsmith: ... The disc brake pads?
  • 1 0
 @MoonboyMTB: I doubt Gwin's mechanic is using bent or old parts. hahaha,.
  • 1 2
 @DDoc: E thirtheens parts do not bend, they crack like Aaron Gwin's ankle.
  • 8 2
 God dam thats one ugly ass brake adapter setup...
  • 1 1
 Yeah we all thought the same, that stack is ridiculous. Are Sram 220 discs really necessary? It's looks like one more thing to bash, especially out back.
  • 3 0
 @dirtdoctor: bigger wheels require more leverage to slow down
  • 2 3
 @lognar: Isn't slow down the wrong thing to do on a DH track?
  • 5 0
 @dirtdoctor: You just have to slow down less than anyone else.
  • 3 0
 @lognar: and slow down faster
  • 5 0
 It will be interesting with the hurricane leftovers coming over in time for the racing.
  • 1 0
 West Virginia is pretty far inland. Based on the current forecasts it doesn’t look like there much of anything related to the storm hitting the area.
  • 1 0
 Can't trust the forecast anymore.
  • 6 0
 @DDoc sure, you just take a sharpie and add your own
  • 1 0
 #prayforalabama LOL!
  • 6 1
 the hologram decals Rock Shox and Enve are doing are cool.
  • 3 0
 Anybody else notice the crowns on Minnaar's bike? Prototype? Possible offset tests?
  • 1 0
 I was wondering about the riser crown as opposed to the normal fox flat crown.
  • 2 0
 @Mattysville: the riser crown is normal on the Fox 49. But the bolt locations are differant on both top and bottom, and the machining is differant.
  • 3 0
 I’m pretty sure they are the Mojo MORC crowns
www.mojo.co.uk/mojo-morc-crowns-3-c.asp
  • 1 0
 @jomacba: I saw on vital I think what crown it was. Maybe someone posted it on here when they did the bike checks for les gets. Company was over in europe and let you mess with offsets and reach I think. They are def not fox crowns.
  • 3 0
 @jomacba: Mojo MORC Adjustable offset..
  • 1 0
 @blaxxx79: yup. That was it.
  • 1 0
 @solidautomech: those are indeed, cool to see a part from a smaller company on a bike from such a high level rider.
  • 1 1
 @weezyb: interesting theory behind this. If Greg is running these, then there has to be some legitimacy behind them.
  • 3 0
 Very interesting looking headset on Minaars bike. Looks like an angle set from King...??
  • 1 0
 Just reach adjust. Syndicate has been using it for years now. Not sure why king hasnt released for general public.
  • 2 1
 All buzzwork components are not sold to the public. It is a reach adjust headset, most king riders on the circuit use them. Intense uses reach adjust headsets from works components, seems to be a popular upgrade for taller riders.
  • 3 0
 That’s some beauty paint on the GT Fury.
  • 2 0
 And that right there is why aluminum rims rule.
  • 1 0
 So much work to do when doing back to back weekend races! Big props to the mechanics for all the TLC these bikes need !!!!!
  • 2 0
 Very cool, thank you
  • 1 0
 Intense M279? is it a mullet bike?
  • 11 0
 @mikekazimer: WV resident here to fact check you, and you are correct.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: totally missed that article
  • 5 0
 @mikekazimer: not the rage. The norm. Always has been, always will be. Welcome to our home!
  • 4 0
 Mullet is big in the rear, small in the front. This one is the other way around. We call it an emo bike.
  • 1 0
 blue chains. I want a phucking blue chain!!!!!
  • 1 0
 I'll be there tomorrow night! Very pumped!
  • 1 0
 Imagine those pins would feel like swinging an ice axe into your shin.
  • 1 0
 What about Dorian? Weather forecast? Time to add Hart and mud co lol Wink
  • 1 0
 Maybe the perfect wheel arc and a non rotating wheel just done mix well.
  • 1 0
 *don’t
  • 1 0
 I want those pins!
  • 2 3
 Well, it $eem$ that Aa®on Gwin i$ not a pilot anymore, but a brand. ©ool for him; kind of $ma®t.
  • 2 0
 Can't say pilot in English, unless he's flown a plane in the past.
  • 1 0
 @BenPea: But Aaron Gwin isn`t flying a plane, HE IS a PLANE Smile
  • 5 7
 Am I the only one that thinks if you need a floating brake arm, it’s time to redesign your suspension?
  • 5 0
 I was thinking the opposite. Why don’t more bikes use it. Seems like a simple solution.
  • 3 1
 @sino428: I have a 2004 Foes Fly that has the anti-brake jack arm. It was a smaller diameter tube and it works well. As far as the frame and suspension go, it still works as well as new stuff, just the reach is way too short for me now!
  • 2 0
 @sledMXer: Yea if the idea is to eliminate brake jack then this seems like a simple solution. If you can completely eliminate it from the equation and then design a more simple suspension setup that just focuses on what its supposed to (bump absorbtion, traction, etc) why not do that.

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