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Tech Randoms - Val Di Sole DH World Cup 2023

Jun 29, 2023
by Nick Bentley  


We took a trip around the pits before everything kicked off at Val Di Sole.

The new Saracen Myst looking slightly naked.
The new Saracen Myst looking slightly naked

The linkage does look interesting it will be good to get a closer look as this bike nears production
The linkage does look interesting, it will be good to get a closer look as this bike nears production.

There was a second UNNO sat in the Primal Pit this weekend this time not in stealth black
There was a second UNNO sat in the Primal Pit this weekend, this time not in stealth black.

The super-light rear swing arm has pocket machining on the inner faces.
The swingarm has pocket machining on the inner faces.

Douglas Goodwill s Commencal Supreme had a full strip down after a tough few weeks.
Douglas Goodwill's Commencal Supreme had a full strip down after a tough few weeks

The Pole Onni is one crazy-looking bike.
The Pole Onni is one crazy-looking bike.

But it is a beautifully machined bike though and one hell of an interesting linkage.
But it is a beautifully machined bike though with one hell of an interesting linkage.

Plenty of bikes getting full strip downs with June being pretty full on for racing the bikes have taken a pounding this month.
Plenty of bikes getting full strip downs. With June being pretty full on for racing the bikes have taken a pounding this month.

I love the simplicity of the NS Fuzz
I love the simplicity of the NS Fuzz.

Its 4-Link Horstlink Suspension features a floating shock.
It uses a Horst link layout with a floating shock.

Inside the Pit was what we really wanted to see the sunning red GT fury s getting built up for another weekend of racing
The stunning red GT Fury getting built up for another weekend of racing.

A pretty tiny cassette on the back of Jess Blewitt s Fury. The Mech hanger also seems to doubles as chain guide stoping it from being able to drop off the bottom cog
A pretty tiny cassette on the back of Jess Blewitt's Fury. The mech hanger also seems to double as a chain-guide stopping it from being able to drop off the bottom cog.

some fancy work stands in the Rogue Racing pits
Some fancy work stands in the Rogue Racing pits.

Andreas Kolbs race winning bike getting plenty of love in the Atherton pit.
Andreas Kolb's race-winning bike getting plenty of love in the Atherton pit.

Junior Dom Platts Atherton got some more serious attention.
Junior Dom Platt's Atherton got some more serious attention.

All good in the Magura Pit.
All good in the Magura pit.

plenty of work on for the team at Fox
Plenty of work on for the team at Fox.

The fox team where going though plenty of parts with all the full fork services they had this week.
The Fox team were going through plenty of parts with all the full fork services they've had this week.

the simplicity of the Job cards on each fork leg keeps track of the setting and whos fork each one is
The simplicity of the job cards on each fork leg keeps track of the setting and whose fork each one is.
but sometimes a more direct approach is needed also a rear black fox fork.
But sometimes a more direct approach is needed.

Fresh oil
Fresh oil.

Team High Country s Norcos are one of the more colourful bikes in the Pits.
Team High Country's Norcos are one of the more colourful bikes in the pits

Hope Cranks and chainrings and a custom anodised link to for the Ohlins shock
Hope cranks, chainrings and a custom anodised link to for the Ohlins shock

Some colour coordination goes a long way
Some colour coordination goes a long way

the new Hope V4 brakes have a brand new lever.
The new Hope V4 brakes have a brand new lever

Not to many Goodyear tyres found around the pits these days.
Goodyear is still working on making headway in the mountain bike market, and their lineup continues to expand.

An Ohlins DH38 in parts.
An Ohlins DH38 stipped down.

plenty of shiny new shocks read for their new owners to
Plenty of shiny new shocks ready for their new owners

Ohlins new race support van gives the technicians a better set up to keep all the Ohlins riders running.
Ohlins new race support van gives the technicians a better set up to keep all the Ohlins riders running

plenty of New boxers in the Rockshox Pit it cant be long now before these become the production model.
Plenty of new Boxxers in the Rockshox pit. It can't be long now before these become the production model

the last fork in the rack patiently waiting for its turn in the stand
The last fork in the rack patiently waiting for its turn in the stand

turns out supsension mechanics writing is alot like drs.
Turns out suspension mechanics' writing is a lot like a doctor's.

one gentle tap
One gentle tap
and out they come
and out they come

it seems like every bike had its suspension off getting serviced today
It seems like every bike had its suspension off getting serviced today.

Austin Dooleys gips getting some protection from greasy mechanics hands
Austin Dooley's grips getting some protection from greasy mechanics hands.

he also had some freshly serviced Ohlins gold to go back on
He also had some freshly serviced Ohlins Gold to go back on.

good to see Wyn out cruising the pits
Good to see Wyn Masters out cruising the pits.

This weeks Privateer project winners bike getting some love
This week's Privateer project winner's bike getting some love.

not all tool boxes are pristine
Not all tool boxes are pristine.

The new glory looks so good close-up.
The new Glory looks so good close-up.

It has to have one of the best paint jobs in the pits.
It has to have one of the best paint jobs in the pits.
even the head tube badge looks clean
Even the head tube badge looks clean.

a bit of moto foam to keep out the dust and mud
A bit of moto foam to keep out the dust and mud

Full rebuilds on the go in the norco pits
Full rebuilds on the go in the Norco pits

Norcos High Pivot suspension set up looks simular to others we have seen around the pits
Norco's high pivot machine getting prepped for race day.

a closer look at the Norcos lower pivot including its bash guard. it looks like the bottom bracket and pivot bolt are all one thing
A closer look at the Norco's lower pivot, including its bash guard.

On practice days many of the mechanics can be found working in the finish area making sure the riders can make the most of there track time.
On practice days many of the mechanics can be found working in the finish area making sure the riders can make the most of their track time.

Phill Atwills Propaine is ready to go
Phill Atwill's Propain is ready to go.

Some fresh tyres heading on
Some fresh tires heading on.

any one order some dinner plates
Anyone order some dinner plates?

This gig supports the rim so you can really get behind the tyre levers
This rig supports the weheel, so you can really get behind the tire levers.

Nice to see some BOS suspension still out at the World Series.
Nice to see some BOS suspension still out at the World Cup.

Nice simple directions on the compression dial Hard or soft your choice.
Nice simple directions on the compression dial. Hard or soft? Your choice.

a Boss Syors shock to match to. all getting some last minute tweeks though out patce useing trelmitry
A Bos Syors shock to match too. All getting some last-minute tweaks throughout practice using telemetry.

The black Snake at Val Di Sol can be a wheel killer with plenty of spare wheels being made ready all around the pits.
The Black Snake at Val Di Sole can be a wheel killer, with plenty of spare wheels being made ready all around the pits

the new transition team primed and ready to go for junior practice.
The new Transition Racing team primed and ready to go for junior practice.

Brake services for the YT Mob bikes bigger rotors and new pads all round.
Brake services for the YT Mob bikes. Bigger rotors and new pads all round.

Post practice break bleeds are a must.
Post practice brake bleeds to get everything a perfect as possible before racing begins.

More and more manitou forks are popping up.
Two tones.

Stacey Fishers Raw DH bike looking fine in the sun
Stacey Fisher's RAAW DH bike looking fine in the sun

The new rear end on the Trek Session allows the Idler pulley to be moved around ether mounted on the pivot bolt like Reece Willson s session.
The new rear end on the Trek Session allows the idler pulley to be moved around, either mounted on the pivot bolt like Reece Willson's Session...

Or behind the pivot as you can see on Kade Edwards s bike it also look like there s some different options of Idler gear to choose from to
Or behind the pivot, as you can see on Kade Edwards's bike. It also looks like there's some different options of idler gear to choose from too


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84 Comments
  • 79 0
 A second UNNO? Wouldn’t that be a DOOS?
  • 13 0
 Hmmm, a DOOS can have a very different meaning. Especially in Minaar’s home country.
  • 9 0
 @Law-MTB: This I can confirm
  • 63 0
 The fact that the Atherton bike stands aren't titanium lugged carbon-tubed works of art is baffling and truly upsetting. Please resolve this.
  • 40 1
 Where can I order one of those plastic things that supports the bleed syringe?? I hate the long ass hoses drooping over and gravity taking the bubbles the wrong way.
  • 20 0
 any small PVC pipe 1" cut away will do just fine.
  • 6 3
 3D print... it's the holy grail of tools you don't need but come super handy...
Had a tiny smile last day they showed a whole bearing press set for XYZ bucks... just build it yourself... it's the easiest task: a couple of cylindres and you're done...


but the Santa cruz looks like it went through hell... I never scratch that plate....
  • 8 0
 Shorten the hose. I did that on mine and now they're much easier to sit vertical on their own.
  • 5 19
flag YukonMog (Jun 29, 2023 at 10:56) (Below Threshold)
 Yeah come on its not most difficult things to figure out. Use a bit of initiative.
  • 3 0
 @neimbc: sorry if I'm slow: how do they attach this to the handlebar/brake/calipers?
  • 3 0
 @tofhami: It's not attached - the tube just passes through it to give it support so it doesn't bend over. It needs to be as long as your hose and will keep in place. My prefered method - easier - is to use a coat hanger and bend a loop at each end.
  • 2 0
 Nite-Ize makes rubber gear ties that are rigid enough to hold syringes and can wrap around handlebars or seatstays or whatever. Can also wrap around brake levers to hold them squeezed, hold rear triangles in place when working on shocks etc......Super handy.
  • 2 0
 a generic comment about mineral oil Wink
  • 2 0
 you can bend an old spoke so it holds it up as well
  • 4 2
 Or use Shimano brakes
  • 2 1
 @fracasnoxteam: exactly, I refuse to use brakes which require two syringes to be bled, especially simultaneously, I am not an orangutan and don't have +30 ape index ...
  • 30 1
 If you got just Commencal specific bike mechanic skills you could probably get hired by at least 43 different DH teams.
  • 1 0
 Facts
  • 20 0
 Jordan Williams could have stuck with Saracen as it seems he would have been getting a Specialized Demo either way
  • 1 3
 this is a demo 2 2011 , bring back fairclough!!! www.youtube.com/watch?v=uug5cwXv6GQ
  • 19 0
 I love the Pirelli sponsored Trek bikes, with bontrager and Maxxis tires.
  • 18 0
 That GT Fury looks pretty slick, other than the horror that is the revised logo.
  • 10 0
 Why Ochain on HP trek session
  • 2 4
 When you optimize for pedaling efficiency, pedal kickback is inevitable. Whoever says "high pivots don't need ochain" is confused at theoretical and empirical levels.
  • 2 1
 @skimgosu: thought the idler got rid of all kickback
  • 6 1
 There's two types of anti-squat - the natural anti-squat of the suspension geometry and the chain-tension anti-squat.

The natural AS is basically the wheel trying to drive itself forward under the sprung mass. If the pivot is really high, then the drive of the wheel pushing itself forwards will mean the wheel gets sucked forward under you, extending the suspension. This type doesn't result in pedal kickback. The higher the pivot, the more natural AS you get.

The chain tension AS is the tension of the chain pulling on the swingarm to extend the suspension. The further the line of the tight part of the chain is below the main pivot point, the more AS you get. This does result in pedal kickback. The more AS, the more kickback.

Really high pivot bikes (Zerode G2, Craftworks ENR, etc) have so much natural AS that they don't need any chain tension AS at all. So they can have zero pedal kickback, or even negative pedal kickback. The chain either has no effect on the suspension, or it's actually acting to compress the suspension but the natural AS is high enough that it cancels it out and still pedals well.

Mid pivot bikes (trek session) have more natural AS than normal bikes, but they still need a reasonable amount of chain tension AS to pedal well. They don't need as much, so their pedal kickback isn't as bad as normal bikes, but if you tune for a supportive pedalling platform you will still be building in a reasonable amount of kickback.
  • 7 0
 A lot of OChains. Do they sponsor all of those teams or does it make a big enough difference that teams are running them unsponsored? I guess that's a good endorsement of their effectiveness.
  • 6 0
 nobody wants to get gwin'd
  • 6 0
 "I love the simplicity of the NS Fuzz", "It uses a Horst link layout with a floating shock." - Was this just placed there to evoke comment responses??? No it really is not simple and it is not just a horst link with a floating shock, it is a six bar design similar to the Commencal Supreme V5 and the Yeti E-bike.
  • 4 0
 So much purple, still no Formula suspension. Lots of cool bikes though and I'm curious whether that top guide on that Saracen is a (low) idler too.

Other than that, surprised to see a 3min19sec workstand in a WC pits (for that Norce/Hope/Goodyear/Ohlins bike). I thought it was the budget brand of the Bike Components webstore, but there seems to be little "budget" about that bike there.
  • 7 0
 Unreleased TRP rotors?
  • 3 4
 Galfer shark bites
  • 6 1
 @mxmtb: Those are new TRP rotors that knock off the shark design. 2.3mm thickness and no cooling "teeth"
  • 11 0
 @Zaeius: ahem, I believe they’re called teef.
  • 3 0
 @Zaeius: I got the pics messed up , there’s a shark bite a but higher up …..Doah !!!
  • 6 0
 Telemetry aside that BOS V10 is pretty
  • 6 0
 Totally forgot about BOS Suspension!
  • 5 0
 I see raw aluminum frames. I see purple anodized parts. I want to see raw aluminum frames WITH purple anodized parts!!!
  • 5 1
 rockshox having been holding off on the new dh forks for years because they have been trying to sell off all the stock they have left of the old ones.
  • 6 1
 That wheel holder looks handy if you are installing inserts all day.
  • 5 1
 Those two tone bars would upset me.
  • 4 1
 The Pole linkage is pretty much what Rocky Mountain used for a while. Etsx I think.
  • 3 2
 Looks bugger all like it (I had to Google).
The RM has a vertical shock for starters….
  • 4 0
 The Pole linkage weirdly reminds me of a folded up camping chair
  • 8 8
 UNNO design with shock “penetrating” the frame is something appealing to our (well, mine at least) primal brain. The similar feature is on P-Slope and if makes it look… Yep, sexy. I do love bikes though.
  • 22 1
 What the duck did you just type.
  • 5 13
flag ThatOneGuyInTheComments (Jun 29, 2023 at 11:42) (Below Threshold)
 The f*ck*
Autocorrect. Anyway, as a fully fledged man I've never found anything sexy about bikes. Then again, username checks out.
  • 9 0
 @ThatOneGuyInTheComments: it’s a PB comments section, welcome again
  • 6 0
 @Velosexualist: Username checks out.
  • 1 8
flag ThatOneGuyInTheComments (Jun 29, 2023 at 17:47) (Below Threshold)
 @Velosexualist: again? Also, I love how most bikes look, but never found them sexual at all. What's that like?
  • 2 0
 telemetry
/təˈlɛmɪtri,tɛˈlɛmɪtri/
noun
the process of recording and transmitting the readings of an instrument.
  • 3 0
 WRP link on that purple Norco!
  • 2 0
 We aftermarket Hard-Soft knob replacements
  • 1 0
 Make a similar one for rebound too.
  • 3 0
 Have you got it, do you get it? If so, how often? Which do you choose? A hard or soft option?
  • 3 0
 Might need a knob replacement, the current one runs pretty soft these days.
  • 1 0
 @majunior: Well that was my earworm for the last hour. Listening to it right now to get rid of it. Groovy tune though.
  • 3 0
 Great pics PB, thanks.
  • 2 1
 Anyone else bothered by the single Fox 40 that is facing front side up while the rest are down?.....
  • 3 0
 I am now!
  • 2 0
 Please align the Giant Glory's fork tubes.
  • 2 0
 Love the Glory’s colors, a throwback to the ATX DH!
  • 1 0
 aluminum frames. I see purple anodized parts.
  • 2 0
 Nice looking bikes...
  • 4 2
 Those without orange.
  • 1 0
 What diameter stanchion are those new Boxxers??
  • 4 0
 Same as the Zeb 38mm
  • 1 0
 Looks like they also have some handy markings on them! Keen to see what damper designs end up in these...
  • 1 0
 Pole just pre-released an E version of the Onni
  • 1 0
 Theres something very odd going on in the image labelled "fresh oil"
  • 1 0
 The suspension layout on the pole just looks like it would work good.
  • 1 1
 Beautiful Giant Glory is just one additional word away from bringing up a different kind of website in a Google search.
  • 1 0
 "They're the same picture"
  • 1 0
 Isn't that NS Fuzz a 6-bar rather than a "simple" horst link design?
  • 1 0
 I know I'm not playing for anything Wink
  • 2 0
 that NS is so styling
  • 1 0
 That POLE looks like a wee little Grom
  • 1 0
 Is there a bos suspension booth for bos services? Lol prob not
  • 1 1
 re: Pole... Rocky Mountain called. They want their ETSX back...
  • 1 0
 Is Reece racing?
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