Welcome to The Matchup! This is a sponsored series where we take a look at two bikes from the same manufacturer.
Today we're checking out the Trek Slash and Fuel EX. They have similar geometries and frame designs, but decidedly different intentions. Jason and Christina go head to head while explaining some of their personality traits out on the trail.
Let us know in the comments which one you'd want to ride, and tell us which two bikes you want us to match up next!
Christina's custom built Trek Slash with 160mm rear travel and 170mm front.
Jason put the Fuel EX through its' paces with 130mm of rear travel and 140mm in the front.
This episode of The Matchup is presented by Trek Bicycles
This was....kind of disappointing? I mean, we can look up this specs online. What are the tradeoffs if you have to pick one as your only bike? Take a Fuel EX down an enduro track and see how it handles it. Take a Slash out on a big ride, or see if it's fun on the kind of trail that most people have access to. Give us something other than, "Well one's a trail bike and the other is an enduro bike, here's some specs". I like and enjoy both of the presenters, but this was kinda half-baked.
Totally agree - felt like they needed 10 min of content for YT ads and didn't want to waste time writing it. Huge fan of @christinachappetta and Jason, but this just didn't have much more than what Trek lists on the spec sheets.
Feel like if they would have dug more into how the numbers make the bike behave differently in different riding conditions, or upgrades they would make, tuning options... anything would have made it more interesting :/
"Presented by Trek", right at the 20 second mark. This is an advertisement, not an actual review or comparison. Hard to expect any critical points to be presented when it's designed as a puff piece for both bikes.
I’m kinda scratching my head over why there’s a ‘comparo’ between a stock Fuel EX and a customized coil-sprung Slash. I’m no hater - I own that Slash, and am a shameless Trek fanboy, but why not match up two stock bikes that are likely to get cross-shopped?
Having had both, I can tell you that the difference is absolutely there. Mostly in the safety margin that you have for big/stupid situations. Nosing it in on a drop and finding a head sized boulder where you expected some kind of landing - Slash shrugged it off and left me in awe at the stiffness of the fork. Happy to ride at 90% effort descending - the Fuel EX will do fine. Some trails I set faster times on the Fuel EX than my previous Slash, but some trails were just too much of a handful. I sold the Fuel EX because I've moved to somewhere that is more Fuel EX terrain, but also has a bike park, and I don't want two bikes, but do want to bike park. If not for the park I would have kept it.
@mikealive: YT is full of sponsored content. Doesn't stop people from giving honest reviews, or at least good insights on why a person might choose one or the other...?
100% agree. I was disappointed too and got to the end of the video and was like..thanks for reading the specs and the intended use right from the Trek website. Hopefully PB reads this and does a real comparison. Its really does not matter the brand just throw a trail bike down an Enduro course and take an Enduro bike on an all day epic and see where they shake out.
@nouseforaname: spot on and the Slash climbs no where near as well as the Fuel does (have both too) like its not even close even if you set the Slash up at 20% sag it still is not an efficient climber compared to the Fuel
@ShowMe357: see, honestly that's the kind of information I'd like to know! Since the Slash is supposed to pedal well for an enduro bike. So does it pedal well compared to an actual trail bike, or just "good for an enduro bike, but not actually good"? This is useful information when making purchasing decisions.
@enduroNZ: A paywall means *you* pay to access content. It will not shield you from being marketed to by bike brands though, that would be naive to believe.
For what it is, I'm not too bothered by this post--it says right in the video, sponsored by Trek. So be it. The down side is, imo, that it shows that Chappetta et al can be bought. If it was Richie Rude doing a comparison video for Yeti, great. We know he rides for Yeti, his job is to race, and we don't expect him to be impartial in his endorsement. He'll say, "Yeti is the best!", give a thumbs up and a smile to the camera, and he's off. The difference being that Richie doesn't work for an establishment where a good portion of their content comes from reviews, reviews that readers expect to be honest and impartial. (See Kaz when it comes to keeping it real. That guy gives an honest opinion despite taking heat from brands. TLD won't be sending him an Xmas card this year, lol).
I think Christina is rad and love what she brings to Pinkbike, but after this I don't trust her opinion on bikes. I know PB did well to put both in the video and in print that this is 'presented by Trek', but it still feels phony and conflicted.
@mikealive: I do personally appreciate this feedback, thanks! I had hoped in being honest in our opinions in this piece and sharing our true views with the important stuff sprinkled in, some viewers would find some info that helps them in the long run. I know I can't please everyone in every video. However, we did also state that there are already reviews done on both of these bikes by our tech/editorial team so head there for more info. Overall more info is better than less in my personal opinion. Thanks again for your thoughtful response. I appreciate when people take time to explain their views instead of just a passive aggressive comment.
@christinachappetta: Appreciate the response. It can probably be boiled down to the contingency of this statement, "...sharing our true views with the important stuff sprinkled in". The viewer must take 'true' statements at face value, while they are being made by a sponsored rider upon her sponsor's bike, in a video sponsored by said bike brand. That's asking for a lot of faith on the viewer's part. Are you a genuine enough person and have you built enough rapport with PB readers to pull it off? Yeah, probably. But it still sets off some alarms for many people like 'wait a second, something's not right here...'.
FWIW, if this video appeared on Trek's website or marketing materials, it would likely be viewed as helpful and well received. Christina Chappetta as the lead talent in a PB offshoot channel where she does sponsored model intros and intra-brand comparisons like what was done here? I could see it! Or simply a more pointed branding than 'Pinkbike Originals' would let established riders know they can skip it/no need for critical comments, while still providing a valuable resource for people new to the sport? That could be helpful. Not sure there is a simple or easy answer. Maybe stirring up the cranks in the comments section so you all can have a laugh is cause enough to make such videos
It's embarrassing to see Pinkbike belching out this sort of sponsored, fake-matchup advertiser humping. We all knew the Outside buyout was going to suck, but I was hoping the decline would be a little slower.
This exact sort of content has been done before by Pinkbike before the acquisition. I know specifically that the Mikes compared the Sight and Optic in essentially the same format.
@njcbps: yep thats the one I was thinking of. And yeah, it took a beating.
It is a bummer that they chose to go this route with these videos since Fuel vs Slash (and Optic vs Sight) is a question that a lot of buyers find them selves stuck on the fence with.
Am I the only one, or does it not seem obvious this is for more novice riders or people newer to the sport? I realized pretty quickly I'm not the target audience for this video. Not sure why that seems to offend so many on here but it's okay if they decide to put out content that might not be directly targeted at you. Or hey, lets grab our pitchforks and hive mentality this shit and cry about outsider.
@Pmars88: Nobody's complaining about content aimed at newer riders. I wish they had more of it. The problem is that this is sponsored content, paid for by the company whose bikes are being discussed, but instead of running a straight-up informercial done by Trek, this is dressed up to look more like a review. They call it a Matchup, and a Pinkbike Originals, and it's done by (blameless and nice) Pinkbike folks. Only the nerds notice it's sponsored. It's the sort of line-blurring cash grab Pinkbike wouldn't have ever touched back when its focus was on serving riders and readers.
@Phillyenduro: Obviously it's sponsored content as they list off verbatim what Trek has on their website, I guess that just doesn't bother me... I feel like there's this hypersensitivity around anything they do now because of outsider. If they start putting out reviews that are influenced by sponsors then I'd help sharpen the pitchforks but getting upset about one item of sponsored content in the long list of sponsored content is just odd to me. And that goes for literally every mtb outlet no matter how "core" they try to be. Ads, sponsored content, its all there to varying degrees.
@RogerMexico: Evo is the one bike solution. SJ/Enduro is the two bike solution if you don't race XC. Epic Evo/SJ Evo is the two bike solution if you do race XC.
over 10 minutes to tell me exactly what the bike marketing faf is all about.. buy a trail bike for trails.. enduro/bike park bike for bigger stuff.....
Video was kinda pointless.... I've owned a slash and a fuel
If your are wondering whether you need a slash or a fuel then you need a fuel.....
simple as that
You know if you need a slash over a fuel
pushed the fuel just as hard if not harder and it held up great
I feel like the whole enduro vs trail bike thing could use a revisit. Trail bikes have gotten so capable. Enduro bikes so slack. I bet there are many, many places where a trail bike not only does better for daily driver duties, but also as an enduro race bike.
@withdignityifnotalacrity: True. Just look at which bikes have actually been ridden by the dominant EWS overall riders. The old Mega, SB150/SB5, Strive, none of them have the mini-DH geo that "Enduro" bikes are trending to now.
@christinachappetta: Just needs to be same person on two different bikes and see how you feel afterwards. Some of these bikes climb so well now, Ripmo and sb150 for example. I’ve got faster times uphill on a 160mm bike than I have a 100mm, cause the bike was more comfortable with steep angles so my knees didn’t ache.
Sounds way too far out there.
I much prefer the format or reading the trek speech.
I bet the wee bike would beat the big bike...
But, the wee bike can't run a coil out back.
Haha I guarantee there are very little people out there trying to decide between these 2 bikes. If someone wants a trail bike, they are comparing trail specific bikes. If they want enduro, they are looking at enduro rigs. Obviously this was paid advertising.
@DanielP07: I am, which is why I got to stay on my personal bike :-) I did also want a Fuel EX for the smaller, pedally days but I'm stoked to have the Top Fuel now because it is a wildly different bike.
@CircusMaximus: any video with ben cathro riding has his santa cruz and any video with tom brandshaw riding has one of his commecials. the rest of the videos with presenters are about events, field tests, bike checks or new new tech. so it's unsuprising that when christina does a video that she's riding in, her bike gets featured alot
So I've decided that before I click on the "click bait", I'll look at the comments and see if it's a BS video; then I'll skip it.
Imagine what it must be like to work at PB now, you got advertising, marketing, timelines, expected revenue, I can see a mass exodus (restructuring) as Outside takes the reins.
I have both bikes; the Slash is ready for much more than one climb back up.. and the Fuel Ex can handle any trail I've pointed it down... Yes the Fuel Ex climbs better and the Slash descends better, but you make it sound like a dramatic difference. Both bikes rip and are ready for big days!
Agreed this video didn't really have much value. Easy enough to look up specs and get the same info. I do have the new slash 9.9 and love it but having said that, I feel like trek needs to have a bike in 29er between the fuel ex and slash.
The next EX will like be exactly what you asked for since the new Topfuel is a lot more like the EX… (Just lighter & faster in many places). They all look like a Session…
Idea for future matchup- ride different sizes of the same bike on a bunch of different styles of trail (and do mess around with stem length to get a good fit on each) and talk about the real world pros and cons to sizing up or down.
I think a lot of folks are just as confused about sizing as they are choosing correct travel ‘ geo for the trails they ride the most.
LOL - so true... I'm only on a '21 Slash 8 because for the same $ the spec was rubbish on the Fuel EX, and the '22 Top Fuel wasn't out. That and comparing the alloy models the Slash is only 1kg heavier so pffft my own weight fluctuates more between rides... Now I can get away with riding like a muppet, making bad line choices, and it's really comfortable on those all day rides even.
Try pedaling your cranks with your heel on your pedals, forward or backwards is fine.
If you can't keep your heel on the pedal without rocking your hips, your seat is too high for maximum power production.
Try to keep your heels down when pedaling.
I remember an actual, legit, and informative comparison done between the Stumpy and Stumpy EVO. The Sight vs Optic and now this Trek feature are garbage. A lot of riders actually do need some guidance on bikes like this. We know one is better for enduro-ish terrain and one is a better trail bike, but how much do you really have to compromise for various performance metrics by going with one over the other.
Trek is paying for exposure. Give them their money's worth by giving buyers useful information to get them interested in one bike or the other. Or both!
I have not got to ride either one but was trying like hell to buy a slash 8. Not available until the end of 2023 was what I was told by my local dealer. It was a very similar timeline for the Top Fuel EX 8 and 7. Love the looks of them. Would luv to try either one out. Maybe sometime in the future.
I was in the same boat last year, so I called every shop within a 3 hours drive. I finally found one in stock an hour and half away and picked it up the next day. My LBS was mad salty that I bought it somewhere else instead of waiting 10+ months for them to order it.
If it has a thru shaft I’m out. Broke three shocks in record breaking time. Had to fix all my Treks over the years by buying a standard shock. Went with the big S on my last bike purchase and couldn’t be more happy.
@noideamtber: I have never broken a normal shock. Thru shafts only lasted a few weeks to a couple months before the shock broke. Wasn’t riding anything outside of the capabilities of the bikes either. Just a poor design with very little noticeable benefit if any at all.
I have a Slash and I love it. Previously owned a Remedy and a Fuel EX, also loved those. but holy crap what a useless video. learned literally nothing.
My take on FEX vs Slash: I chucked a larger volume reducer in the back of my Fuel 9.8, added 2 tokens to the front fork, and added some heavier casing tires, and my Fuel Ex 9.8 can pretty much go down anything I am willing to point her down. I have a few different buddies slashes in my time and the monster truck, mistake forgiving, the beefy feeling is definitely there compared to my rather squirrelly fuel on gnarly and fast trails. The Fuel Ex will get you down, but the slash lets you ride without care down similar gnarly terrain. The middle position on the reactive air shock on the Fuel Ex gives you a really solid pedaling platform for rocketing through undulating terrain. In terms of durability, I did put a small crack in my first carbon fiber Fuel frame in the seat stay area, but to Trek's credit, I got a new frame in four days that hasn't caused any issues yet.
I love my Slash, but it does not pedal well. you 100% have to lock it out. pedal bob is really bad not locked out. My Firebird did not have to be locked out, at all.
Fuel EX doesn't have any amazing marketing mumbo jumbo like super slack geo or ultralight blah blah, but it's a great bike. It's the bike 90% of people should be on most of the time for what they're actually riding. It was rare I ever took my Fuel EX out and had a bad time.
Lame outside garbage.. exactly why I boycotted outside years ago..there a big part with what's wrong with society..NXT we'll see Pfizer sponsoring videos
The videos are likely useful for folks trying to decide between the two, but they are only a stepping stone.
Litmus is trying them–Once MFG's have stock, offer both bikes to demo for $100/day so we can take it to our local mtn and determine the best fit. Until we ride them, more of these videos aren't necessary.
Would be good to see a comparison of a Spez Enduro vs Stumpy Evo vs Stumpy
Especially one bike like the Evo splitting the difference between the two others.
Would also like to see comparisons between old and new bikes. Like the Enduro 29er has been through three very different iterations (broadly speaking).
Love how fast the PB guys come to the comment section when they want,but when something is smelly/shit content the remind silent hahaha. If you do not have something good to say or argue to defend yourself it is better to remind silent,yep
Funny to read the hate for this format. But seriously, put on your "new rider" hat for a minute and realize that this video provides huge benefit for people who are not total bike nuts. This is a great comparison of two bikes that a newb would not be able to differentiate without guidance. I know everyone commenting on here is a pro (and chooses not to be a famous world class racer out of privacy concerns, not lack of talent), but not everyone consuming PinkBike content is as awesome as the rest of us...
I already own 3 Treks and even I did not need this video! I do get excited every time Christina does a video with her Slash because it is the same as mine, but this video felt like a marketing exercise without drawing any actual conclusions.
Most folk on here will understand the basic difference between a trail and enduro bike. The video could have actually drawn some decent conclusions about “if you could only have one of these two which could you live with?”. There are probably many people in denial about it, but i think if we all examined our riding- many people ride gnarly ‘enduro style’ or even ‘downhill style’ trails sometimes, maybe they do a race here and there, do an occasional all day adventure ride and sometimes ride some more very tame trails- so which bike can do them all? Can a trail bike still be competitive at a race? How much tougher is a big rig to pedal around blue trail centre runs? Is it more fun to push a trail bike to it’s limits or let the enduro bike push yours? I know everyone already has an opinion on these questions, but it could have made a great vid with these two presenters and bikes.
I believe what we are seeing here is what happens when a big conglomerate (Outside) buys a small brand...this is irrelevant to those of us who are invested in the MTB culture and have been following PB for years. This is disappointing.
I can attest to the Fuel EX as being a "fun bike". It's a rad trail bike. I've done 50 to 80 mile rides on it and it's awesome. It also jumps and handles gnarly downhill really well. For me, it's a one bike quiver ride.
Feel like if they would have dug more into how the numbers make the bike behave differently in different riding conditions, or upgrades they would make, tuning options... anything would have made it more interesting :/
For what it is, I'm not too bothered by this post--it says right in the video, sponsored by Trek. So be it. The down side is, imo, that it shows that Chappetta et al can be bought. If it was Richie Rude doing a comparison video for Yeti, great. We know he rides for Yeti, his job is to race, and we don't expect him to be impartial in his endorsement. He'll say, "Yeti is the best!", give a thumbs up and a smile to the camera, and he's off. The difference being that Richie doesn't work for an establishment where a good portion of their content comes from reviews, reviews that readers expect to be honest and impartial. (See Kaz when it comes to keeping it real. That guy gives an honest opinion despite taking heat from brands. TLD won't be sending him an Xmas card this year, lol).
I think Christina is rad and love what she brings to Pinkbike, but after this I don't trust her opinion on bikes. I know PB did well to put both in the video and in print that this is 'presented by Trek', but it still feels phony and conflicted.
FWIW, if this video appeared on Trek's website or marketing materials, it would likely be viewed as helpful and well received. Christina Chappetta as the lead talent in a PB offshoot channel where she does sponsored model intros and intra-brand comparisons like what was done here? I could see it! Or simply a more pointed branding than 'Pinkbike Originals' would let established riders know they can skip it/no need for critical comments, while still providing a valuable resource for people new to the sport? That could be helpful. Not sure there is a simple or easy answer. Maybe stirring up the cranks in the comments section so you all can have a laugh is cause enough to make such videos
www.pinkbike.com/news/the-match-up-norco-optic-vs-norco-sight-2020.html
It took a beating in the comments too for the same reasons.
It is a bummer that they chose to go this route with these videos since Fuel vs Slash (and Optic vs Sight) is a question that a lot of buyers find them selves stuck on the fence with.
Fuel 2017 and Slash 2019...
Fuel ripped Trans Madeira Trails with 130/130 with ease...
Slash is absolute overdressed for Trailriding...
Just needs to be same person on two different bikes and see how you feel afterwards. Some of these bikes climb so well now, Ripmo and sb150 for example. I’ve got faster times uphill on a 160mm bike than I have a 100mm, cause the bike was more comfortable with steep angles so my knees didn’t ache.
I assume this means 200mm is Enduro now?
Imagine what it must be like to work at PB now, you got advertising, marketing, timelines, expected revenue, I can see a mass exodus (restructuring) as Outside takes the reins.
It was good while it lasted.
RIP Pinkbike.
And we were told that they would be a chili review I thought, where is this?
I think a lot of folks are just as confused about sizing as they are choosing correct travel ‘ geo for the trails they ride the most.
I'm only on a '21 Slash 8 because for the same $ the spec was rubbish on the Fuel EX, and the '22 Top Fuel wasn't out.
That and comparing the alloy models the Slash is only 1kg heavier so pffft my own weight fluctuates more between rides...
Now I can get away with riding like a muppet, making bad line choices, and it's really comfortable on those all day rides even.
Fuel EX is just okay. Not super light or progressive or anything else.
Fuel EX doesn't have any amazing marketing mumbo jumbo like super slack geo or ultralight blah blah, but it's a great bike. It's the bike 90% of people should be on most of the time for what they're actually riding. It was rare I ever took my Fuel EX out and had a bad time.
Litmus is trying them–Once MFG's have stock, offer both bikes to demo for $100/day so we can take it to our local mtn and determine the best fit. Until we ride them, more of these videos aren't necessary.
Would be good to see a comparison of a Spez Enduro vs Stumpy Evo vs Stumpy
Especially one bike like the Evo splitting the difference between the two others.
Would also like to see comparisons between old and new bikes. Like the Enduro 29er has been through three very different iterations (broadly speaking).
Most folk on here will understand the basic difference between a trail and enduro bike. The video could have actually drawn some decent conclusions about “if you could only have one of these two which could you live with?”. There are probably many people in denial about it, but i think if we all examined our riding- many people ride gnarly ‘enduro style’ or even ‘downhill style’ trails sometimes, maybe they do a race here and there, do an occasional all day adventure ride and sometimes ride some more very tame trails- so which bike can do them all?
Can a trail bike still be competitive at a race? How much tougher is a big rig to pedal around blue trail centre runs? Is it more fun to push a trail bike to it’s limits or let the enduro bike push yours?
I know everyone already has an opinion on these questions, but it could have made a great vid with these two presenters and bikes.
What? Really? Trek is a sponsor, what a surprise