The New YT Capra - Everything You Need to Know

Feb 8, 2018
by Mike Kazimer  


YT's much-heralded Capra has undergone an extensive revision for 2018, reemerging with more travel, increased standover clearance, and an updated suspension layout. But that's not all – a 29”-wheeled model has been added into the mix, with up to 170mm of travel. The bike has morphed from an all-mountain machine into something even more formidable, although YT took steps to make sure that it could still be pedaled back up to the top for another run.

In addition to being able to choose between two wheel sizes, there will both carbon and aluminum versions of the new Capra, with prices ranging from $2,500 to $3,000 USD for the alloy models, and from $3,700 to $5,200 for the full carbon models.

YT Capra Details

• Intended use: enduro / freeride / DH
• Wheel size: 27.5" or 29"
• Rear wheel travel: 170 or 160mm (29"), 180 or 170mm (27.5")
• Aluminum and carbon frame options
• Boost hub spacing
• PF92 bottom bracket
• Sizes: S - XXL (27.5"), M-XXL (29")
• Price: $2,500 - $5,200 USD
www.yt-industries.com


YT Capra
The Capra's standover height and seat tube lengths have both been reduced, although there's still no spot to hold a water bottle.

Frame Details

In addition to the increased travel, and the addition of a 29" version, the Capra frame received a number of other significant updates. The derailleur, brake, and dropper post housing are all now hidden inside the frame, where there are tubes to prevent it from rattling around and causing an unwanted ruckus. Previously, all Capra models had alloy chainstays, but the carbon frames now have carbon chainstays. There's a chainstay protector to keep chainslap to a minimum, and a color-matched frame protector on the downtube to ward off rock strikes.


Wait, How Much Travel Does the New Capra Have?

It seems like a very straightforward question, but the answer is, “It depends.” The first factor is what wheel size you're referring to. The Capra 29 CF Pro Race uses a 230x65mm shock to deliver 170mm of rear travel, making it one of the longest travel 29ers currently on the market. The other 29” models use a 230 x 60mm shock, which results in 160mm of rear travel.

For the 27.5” models, the Capra 27 CF Pro Race has 180mm of travel, while the remaining models have 170mm of travel, again due to the use of a slightly shorter stroke shock.


Capra 27 CF Pro Race Geometry
27.5
Capra 29 CF Pro Race Geometry
29


Geometry Changes

Even after four years on the market the Capra's geometry was still fairly up-to-date, but there were a few areas that were in need of some modification. The first was the reach, which has been increased by 12-15mm on all sizes. An XXL size has also been added in for both wheel sizes – sizes run from S-XXL for the 27.5” bike, and from M-XXL for the 29er. The largest two sizes also get slightly longer chainstays than their smaller counterparts in order to preserve the balance of the bike, a tactic that we're seeing more and more companies begin to adopt.

Both bikes have head angles around the 65-degree mark, although the 29er does have a flip chip that can be used to steepen things up by half a degree. That flip chip is the easiest way to tell which wheel size a bike has – from a distance it's tricky to tell the difference between the 27.5” and 29” models.



What Size Should I Ride?

The new Capra has a low enough standover height and seat tube length that riders should be able to fit on multiple sizes – it's more a matter of picking the reach number that you feel comfortable with rather than being forced into one pre-determined size. At 5'11” I was able to fit both the size large and the extra large 29er without running into any issues, although I'd probably choose the large for my riding style and typical trails.



2018 YT Capra
The Capra's leverage ratio and amount of end-stroke ramp up have both been reduced compared to the previous model.


Suspension Updates

The Capra still uses a Horst Link suspension design (YT call it Virtual 4 Link), but the rocker link position now takes a cue from the Jeffsy's playbook and extends behind the seat tube. YT also took steps to create a lower leverage ratio – according to Stefan Willard, YT's CTO, that lower ratio allows riders to run less pressure and creates a more sensitive beginning stroke. The amount of end-stroke ramp-up has also been reduced by approximately 8% to allow riders to make the most out of the available travel. Want that 8% back? There's room to add in volume spacers to the rear shock in order to fine-tune the amount of ramp up.


YT Capra
YT reinforced the area on each side of the head tube in order to make it dual-crown compatible.

Can I Run a Dual Crown Fork?

With all that travel, questions about running a dual crown fork will inevitably come up. After all, just imagine what that 170mm 29er would look like with a 180mm dual crown up front... The good news is that YT was thinking ahead, and the frames are dual crown compatible - they tested them to the same standards as their Tues downhill bike. There's an area of reinforced carbon on each side of the headtube that's designed to withstand the impacts that can occur when fork bumpers hit the frame.


YT Capra
Where previous models had alloy chainstays, the new bikes are carbon from tip to tail, although there are still full aluminum versions available.
YT Capra
All the housing is internally routed through the front triangle, emerging briefly from ports in the seat tube.

YT Capra
YT Capra
There's a heavy dose of e*thirteen's cassettes, tires, and wheels throughout the lineup.

Frame Options / Build Kits

The Capra's paint scheme and general parts spec are the same for both wheel sizes, although the 27.5" version of the CF Pro comes with a Fox Float X2, while the 29" version has a Fox DPX2. One interesting spec choice is the decision to pair a Shimano rear derailleur with e*thirteen's 9-46 tooth 11-speed cassette for the entire lineup - there's no SRAM Eagle to be seen.


2018 YT Capra
Capra CF Pro Race
2018 YT Capra
Capra CF Pro

2018 YT Capra
Capra CF
2018 YT Capra
Capra AL Comp

2018 YT Capra
Capra AL
2018 YT Capra



2018 YT Capra




I've been spending a lot of my time on 29ers lately, so I snagged the big wheeled Capra for two days of riding under the California sun, a welcome respite from the heavy rain that was falling on my home trails in Washington.

The first day's ride consisted of a mix of rocky, chunky, higher speed portions of trail, interspersed with steeper, smoother bits of twisty singletrack. The Capra has a definite need for speed, and it felt like I was only scratching the surface of its potential – I can see it being extremely well suited to bike park usage, or anywhere with room to really let it run. That's not to say it can't handle tighter, slower speed sections of trail – it can – it's just that you get the feeling that it's straining at the reins on mellower terrain.

2018 YT Capra

A trip to SkyPark at Santa's Village was the next day's destination, a smattering of flowy trails that begin and end in a North Pole-themed park located in the San Bernardino National Forest. I typically associate bike parks with chairlifts, but this particular park is a little different (to say the least), and returning to the top after a lap requires a meandering, smooth pedal up a designated climbing trail. The Capra pedals well with the shock fully open, especially for a bike with 170mm of travel, but I still found myself flipping the Float X2's blue dial into the firmer mode to firm things up a little. Spinning up that smooth grade was the only real climbing I got in aboard the Capra; until I spend some more time on one I can't really comment on how it handles on more challenging ascents.

The trails at SkyPark weren't overly technical or steep, but there were enough fun-sized jumps and berms to stay entertained for a few hours. The new Capra hasn't lost anything in the jumping department – there's a supportive platform to push into for that extra 'pop' off the lip of a jump, and a nice ramp up when it comes time to come in for a landing. Yes, it's a big bike, but it has an energetic nature that makes it an entertaining ride even when the trail isn't completely full of wheel-swallowing holes and giant boulders. Of course, the typical caveat that accompanies any sort of 'first ride' applies here as well - two days on the Capra wasn't nearly enough to really dive into the nuances of its handling; stay tuned for a long-term review later this year once we put some rougher and rowdier miles in on one.

Call it what you will - freeride, park, mini-DH, Super Enduro - but no matter the name, it seems as if a resurgence of longer travel mountain bikes is underway. For riders who regularly find themselves seeking out gnarly, technical trails, and who alternate between riding chairlifts, shuttling, and pedaling, the return of the long travel trail smasher will be a welcome one.








616 Comments

  • + 380
 We can send man to the moon but can't hold a water bottle inside the frame? Oh ok
  • - 564
flag panzer103 (Feb 8, 2018 at 3:42) (Below Threshold)
 No man was ever to the moon. Never has been never will be.
  • + 284
 @panzer103: And the earth is flat!
  • + 72
 The earth has never been a sphere. It's always been flat, always will be flat.
  • + 117
 @panzer103: Is that not where you're posting from?
  • + 65
 What you really need to know is how do to get a relpacement for a cracked one in less than 3 months
  • + 253
 @larsmeier : Who rides a 170mm 29er with a water bottle...
  • + 28
 @jackalope: don't tell people That, they'll all sell their droppers...
  • + 9
 well, if you don't like it, don't buy it. that's my opinion. Better be aware of the goat.
  • + 49
 @jackalope: this is true, I regular have to avoid "the edge" when out sailing my boat .......
  • - 6
flag Trailstunter (Feb 8, 2018 at 4:55) (Below Threshold)
 @larsmeier
Jeeezzz get a live man... ffs...
Buy some standard Rocker frame of the 1000's of other "look like a session" brands... Good luck with that!
  • + 140
 I think it's all a conspiracy with the hydration pack companies, or as I call them "Big Blatter". Big Blatter is trying to rob us of our bottle mounts!
  • - 7
flag nagan (Feb 8, 2018 at 5:13) (Below Threshold)
 There is no enduro without WB :-P
  • - 1
 @jackalope: Flat... just like your joke
  • - 27
flag pdxkid (Feb 8, 2018 at 5:34) (Below Threshold)
 @Shawn902: I kinda like where you were going with this. Except it's bladder, not blatter. See how even the PB comment box tries to keep you from making simple spelling mistakes? Type blatter and it gets underlined in red. That means it's spelled wrong.
  • + 42
 When you can hold three liters of water in your backpack, what the hell do you still need a bottle for? I haven't used one for more than ten years...
  • + 57
 drink beer, simple solution
  • + 11
 @SonofBovril: Enduro-Bros who should ride a trail bike instead of a freeride bike
  • - 4
flag valimiu (Feb 8, 2018 at 5:56) (Below Threshold)
 Still believe that crap? What are you, 2 years old?
  • + 8
 @pdxkid: Try google Mate! Sepp Blatter...
  • + 8
 How many of these cracked frames people keep mentioning were Carbon? Oh thats right, every single one of them.
  • + 4
 @jackalope: I believe you I live in Florida
  • + 9
 @panzer103: trolling achievement unlocked. Well done, sir!
  • + 3
 @SonofBovril: Thank you. These baby bottle people need a binky and a nap.
  • + 7
 @Extremmist: That is an awful lot of water to carry on a sub-2 hour ride. If every ride you do is a 3 hr+ epic awesome, but not having to carry all of that on yr back is quite nice.
  • + 13
 @endlessblockades: DON'T TALK SHIT ABOUT BINKY'S!!!!
  • - 4
flag Trailstunter (Feb 8, 2018 at 6:56) (Below Threshold)
 @panzer103: You are right... but the MSM people don't like that thought ... they cannot handle it well..
  • + 12
 Looks like a tues
  • - 52
flag panzer103 (Feb 8, 2018 at 7:01) (Below Threshold)
 Keep on drinking the Kool Aid about going to the moon. The bike is cool though!
  • + 26
 Hey water bottle crowd, this bike is not for you! You don’t ride hard enough!
  • + 6
 That's because bottles are for infants and the week.
  • + 28
 Yeah but that pricing is mental!! 5200.00 for what other brands would be asking 8k. And 2400.00 for base level.
  • - 2
 @SonofBovril: Me and others who drink.

If you run a pack you sweat significantly more than without a pack. Ultimately, in warm weather, you have to run a pack just to make up for the sweat lost from wearing a pack.

If you ride fast you would know a major factor in extended physical performance is removal of heat from the body and dehydration. Wearing a pack is a disaster for both. It's fine if you're plodding about the forest for a couple of hours but if you're doing a summer Enduro, wearing a pack is a significant disadvantage to someone who doesn't have to.
  • - 13
flag jackalope (Feb 8, 2018 at 7:42) (Below Threshold)
 I think its pretty obvious why we didn't land on the moon...Because Nazis

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jth4yATniS4
  • + 27
 @hellbelly: @hellbelly: You know you don't have to fill that 3l bladder to the brim on shorter rides, right?
  • + 0
 @jclnv: so you dont wear back protection?
  • + 6
 @Trailstunter: Errr no.

@bananowy: Doesn't matter, damage is aready done with the layers of material alone. The weight of the pack (in the worst place possible) is one issue but the heat build up/sweat on hot rides in worse.
  • + 24
 @jclnv: But I live in Chairlifterland, I sweat more in an enclosed gondola than I do riding. Resturants at the top and bottom of every trail make sure you have plenty of coffee/beer/water between runs. Plus the pack saves your spine if you cant wake up your dead sailor.
  • + 9
 @SonofBovril: I do.....Enduro 29 with a 170mm Lyrik up front....bottle, tools, tube, air and a PB&J.
  • + 1
 @jclnv: Seriously? If you ride fast? People sweat differently based on any level of physical exertion. You don't have to just ride fast.....

Extended physical performance? Most likely given that sentence, 1 water bottle isn't going to suffice to hydrate you for an extended amount of time.

Most every enduro I've been to, there is water at the bottom, sometimes the start gate. Your request for a water bottle mount at an enduro is kinda pointless.

In the end, just stuff it in the back of your pants. DH racers have done it since the beginning.
  • + 1
 @bananowy: Sure, but if you did not have to portage anything on your back during a ride would you still? Try it sometime.
  • + 0
 @Airfreak: See if you can get an XCO racer to wear a pack. Or maybe get them to forego a bottle and just feed in the feed zones. Good luck with that.

Sure you can just plod about and keep effort/heat down but personality that bores the piss out of me.
  • - 3
 @Boardlife69: Nice, but this lifts are turning you into a pussy Wink
  • + 23
 @jclnv: Next time I see an XCO racer on a Capra I will be sure to ask him about his hydration prefrences. My guess would be IPA.
  • - 9
flag jclnv (Feb 8, 2018 at 8:52) (Below Threshold)
 @Boardlife69: IPA is for someone with taste. They wouldn't be riding a bike with a 427mm rear centre.
  • + 40
 Came to read about new plastic enduro bike, stayed for snarky bottle vs backpack comments.
  • + 11
 I shred with a Fanny Pack
  • + 11
 @jclnv: seriously you went from enduro to xco racer? Why don’t you complain about some beach cruiser ebikes not having bottle cages
  • - 6
flag jclnv (Feb 8, 2018 at 9:07) (Below Threshold)
 @Airfreak: Seriously just using that as an analogy as it's seriously the most seriously hard form of racing.

If you're serious about riding, you seriously wouldn't want weight on your back regardless of how much it will make you sweat.

Seriously.

Anyway let's not turn this into a one-trick dead horse. The short rear centre would put me off before I even get to the lack of hydration carrying ability.
  • + 2
 Seriously, enduro racers seriously have serious stuff on their back. It’s not a pack but it still is weight. Does weight seriously add to sweat or just a backpack? ????
  • + 8
 @Airfreak: Both are seriously bad dude.

Try a month without. You'll never go back. Seriously.
  • + 1
 @Boardlife69: Super Jealous! What a country you have!
  • + 2
 @RedBurn: real eyes realize real lies!
  • + 13
 Putting man on the moon is old news. These days its all about putting your car in orbit around mars.
  • + 2
 @properp: LOL!!! you just made my day with that comment Big Grin hahaha
  • + 5
 @jclnv: Oh I go without a pack a lot. But I ride with a pack just as much. Depends who I'm with and how much their shit is going to blow up that i need to fix. Or mine.
  • + 1
 @drivereight: Obviously! Everyone knows that heavy wet blanket on your back makes you so gnarly!
  • + 1
 @Airfreak: I recently had a brief conversation with Graves about water bottles. You should tell him he's doing it all wrong.
  • + 1
 am i missing something? if you have a 230x60 shock and you remove the 5mm spacer wouldnt it make a 235x65 shock instead of a 230*65?
  • + 5
 @jackalope: the comment section rarely disappoints.
  • + 7
 @jclnv: its awesome riding without a pack, but being able to carry a multi-tool, a spare cable, a master link, medical supplys, work gloves, snacks, and water is undeniably a more responsible way to ride. and it does depend on your riding situation as well, as boardlife69 has stated.
  • + 7
 @jclnv: I have a question for you, but I'm not here to argue.

In your opinion - are there any mtbs that suit you? You seem knowledgeable about geometry/kinematics/etc - but I never read where you like a bike. I can't ever remember a bike that ticked all the boxes for you. I mean it must be difficult for you to purchase a bike. Or is it?

Do any have the specifications and geometry that you like? If you don't mind, what do you ride most of the time?

Like I said, I'm not being a jackass. I'm curious.
  • - 1
 Dihydrogen Monoxide KILLS!
  • + 2
 @eatsdirt: what that it’s smarter to ride with a pack then not? No matter how “cool” you want to be?!?!?
  • - 4
flag DH-Angel (Feb 8, 2018 at 10:21) (Below Threshold)
 people who ride with water bottles attached to their frame should only be allowed on a 29er XC bike and paved trails.
  • + 1
 @iffy: yesss!
  • + 1
 @sevensixtwo: and still no frame only option! Guess I'm out!
  • + 13
 @jclnv: "IPA is for someone with taste". I thought IPA is like crossfit of beer world.
  • + 2
 @sevensixtwo: Giant Trance 2 alloy is $2800, carbon Reign Advanced 1 is $5500.
  • + 8
 Meanwhile Sam Hill 2017 EWS Champ rode the season with no bottle cage, perhaps that’s the secret. Remember the saying Flat Pedals and no water bottle cages win medals @nagan:
  • + 5
 @alpinebikeworks: The Reign is amazing, and Giant is one of my favorite brands—but thier comparable model (the advanced 0) is 8400.00.
  • + 9
 @kwapik: I'm the Larry David of MTB. I complain about everything.

My complaints are generally about the fundamentals and the piss poor R&D from most bike manufacturers. For example, sizing and geo is critical yet how bikes ride yet how many 10k bike on the market are there that have the same rear centre length for all sizes when the front centre differs by around 70mm? That sort of crap.

That said some bike brands push concepts and are braver than others (like Mondraker) but overall we're being drip fed the geo and concepts that Chris Porter etc worked out years ago.

I don't think any of these current AM bikes from large brands are the holy grail but they're ones I think have good attributes. Orbea Rallon (geo/44mm offset) Scott Genius (geo/construction/weight), Transition Sentinel (geo), Giant Reign (geo apart from seat angle disaster).

They're all too short in the rear centre IMO. The G13 Geometron is at least 10mm longer RC in the small/medium sizes and 16mm in the large.

I ride a 18 Enduro 29. Rear centre is 10mm too short and the leverage rate is not progressive enough. I can just get away with it as I'm 66kg but if you're a bigger guy forget it. That's why the team all have custom links and shock valving. That said the packaging is very clever. Once you've lived with the SWAT storage it's hard to go back. Bit like a bottle cage really!
  • + 4
 Good luck riding flat-out with a water bottle hanging off the frame.
  • + 1
 @drivereight: Nail hit on head!
  • + 1
 @Airfreak: Sounds like you've got it all figured out. Or not.
  • + 6
 @Eatsdirt: Or I'm just tired of lending out tubes and pumps etc. to riders who carry only a water bottle and think they can go on a ride and nothing happen.

Last time I was helping a guy fix his flat instead of a 3 mile hike out, comments about how it was his third time flatting without a tube. I just rolled my eyes.

I remember graeves on the yeti rode always with a pack because he carried enough stuff to get him out of a pinch if something happened. Of course a yeti didn't have a water bottle mount either.
  • + 2
 @jclnv: Yeah, I have to agree with alot of what you said. I too rank the Rallon and Sentinel high up and I like the Whyte S-150. The Genius 9 is good also and I'd like to know more about the KTM Prowler. None are perfect though :-)

I think this Capra is moving in the right direction anyway. I'm also interested in knowing if either size is using a reduced offset fork.

Thanks for the reply.
  • + 3
 Binkies console babies and beer consoles adults. Figure it out son!@endlessblockades:
  • + 1
 Go so big that you need a sumo suit not a back/hemmoroid pad@Trailstunter:
  • + 1
 There.is.no.room. Should they engineer the frame around your preferred hydration container?
  • + 4
 @endlessblockades: be careful what you say. There is probably a product manager writing frantically
  • + 1
 @iffy: You might need a relpacement helmet while you're at it.
  • + 1
 @kwapik:

Offsets are mentioned on each model on the YT website, click the little plus to expand the fork info.
  • + 1
 @Airfreak: are you serious?
  • + 1
 To be fair if you can afford that bike you can probably afford a decent hydration pack although I usually just do the Bear Grylls method
  • + 2
 @Extremmist:3 liters of water on your back? I will like see how you climb whit that wheigt on, I been using hidratation pack for 15 years and just start to use bottle on the frame and I never go back again to carry my water on my back.
  • + 4
 @mubu: been carrying 3 litres plus protein bars and various repair necessities on gruelling climbs in the Alberta Rockies for a decade! You just get stronger!
  • + 1
 @gramboh: I saw that, but I'm not sure of their accuracy.
  • + 3
 Why would you want to use water bottle instead of hydration system? Frame looks way nicer if it's NOT designed aroud space for water bottle.
  • + 7
 @EnduroriderPL Why totally change the telemetry of a frame and sacrifice ride quality for a bottle when camelbacks work just as well?

Because tap water is so toxic that it's even making the frogs gay. It's so bad that I now infuse my baths with Super Male Vitality™ supplements.

By using bottled water we are BREAKING THE CONDITIONING and rebelling against the soros-funded anti-fa globalist deep-state operatives. It's obvious!
  • - 1
 I don't think anyone actually went to the moon bro....Man up, bag up
  • + 1
 @Aksel31:
The earth is spare part of the moon, hit the Capra, boom. Big Grin
  • + 1
 @SonofBovril: Real question is why does a direct sales model still cost R18000 ($1542.705) more here in SA?
  • + 3
 It's a plot to get you to use a fanny
  • + 2
 @SonofBovril: i had a cage on my demo 9 just for funzies. it was actually pretty nice for the fontana race practices.
  • - 6
flag zelkova (Feb 9, 2018 at 11:26) (Below Threshold)
 @panzer103: stupid idiot. just like your trump
  • - 1
 @lehott: Sing it!
@zelkova: I dont vote bro..
  • - 1
 @panzer103: way to contribute
  • + 1
 That is why god invented the camelback
  • + 2
 @pdxkid: word police
  • + 1
 @SonofBovril: I guess the super slack 66.5 degree seat tube angle reflects that too, as in who's gonna pedal
a 170mm 29er. PARK BIKE! weird that they ship them with a dropper. kinda pointless
  • + 1
 @siderealwall2: oh, I get it now Smile
  • + 2
 @iffy: or good luck even finding one to buy in 1st place! Why not be like intense and others that only debut when available? Especially when your not even trying to sell to lbs...
  • + 1
 totally irrelevant this late in the game, but why not go with this guy's set up.

www.twenty20.com/photos/7c11d2bf-51fc-4ad3-865a-238251f595a6
  • + 1
 @bananowy: full bladder or not, the backpack still covers the same amount of your back. and thats the issue with packs. on a 1 hr ride, a water bottle and a granola bar is all you need.
  • + 1
 @troydon: not really capra pedals well and my mates rip up and down on that bike just fine. Not breaking any speed records going up bit watch out on the dn
  • + 1
 @properp: *Weak. It really takes the sting off insults when you make common grammar mistakes that children know.
  • + 3
 I miss water bottles... It's been decades since I've tasted plastic water with the hint trail poo lol!
  • + 3
 @srbell: oh yea because sucking stuff from the bladder sounds like a much better idea. Andthose bladders are making the water taste a mix of plastic and algae at all
  • + 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Soylent Green is people!
  • + 2
 Water bottle schmater bottle. Performance is top priority especially when it comes to a race bike. It kinda gets old listening to water bottle and fanny pack issues in a bike reviews these days. Going down hill is the main focus for a bike with 170mm to 180mm of travel and how well it pedals back up, not whether or not you'll need a fanny pack when you ride it. Besides, weight on the back is better than weight under foot. You tech guys spend soo much money on lightweight components then complain because you can't add weight back on the bike with a cheap water bottle. It's taken along time for the market to make the shift to bikes that rip going down and can pedal back up. I'm my opinion too many years were spent focused on re-inventing the wheel and not taking an obvious look at geometry. So, I'm just happy to see a bike with all the specs dh riders have been wanting for years. AND ITS AFFORDABLE!!! Cheers YT for making a great ride!!!! You guys hit the mark dead center in my book!
  • + 140
 It’s almost like the made all the other schemes ugly so you’ll just go ahead and buy the pro race models
  • + 11
 They'll probably look better IRL but judging from these pictures the other models look so boring.
  • + 38
 @Isey: This is the reason why my friends never go for rides: they have nice bikes that just sit at home so they can keep looking at them instead of riding them.
  • + 11
 That and they withheld that oh-so-tempting 10mm of extra travel from all but the top tier. I really dig the idea of this big hit 29 but it's a bummer that you can't get 170mm of rear travel in an alum. version.
  • + 5
 The pro race is a nice looking bike but I think along side the others they are horrible. Nothing attractive to me with those colour schemes. Screams ploy to just get people to buy the most expensive models
  • + 16
 @Chadimac22: You can. Just put a longer stroke shock on it. Thats all theyre doing.
  • + 2
 @Alexhoward91 yea that white and red is absolutely terrible!
  • + 13
 @NebulousNate: That was exactly my thought...furthermore, unless they've greatly changed things, all shocks of the same eye-to-eye length are capable of a certain amount of max travel, any that have the same eye-to-eye but less stroke simply have a removable travel spacer on the damper rod inside the air can. So more than likely, if you buy the lower-end model, all you need to do is open up the air can on the 230x60mm shock, remove the 5mm spacer, and boom, you've got a 230x65mm shock and a 170mm travel machine!
  • + 8
 Well, looking at the price tag, you could buy the pro race model, have it custom painted and it would still be cheaper than what some other brands sell...
  • - 3
 @Extremmist: And void the warranty in the process. Not that the warranty is worth much anyway.
  • - 1
 @NebulousNate: yes, you could... but point is, you shouldn't have to.
  • + 3
 @pdxkid: I like that scheme the best at first glance. Let ugly things live.
  • + 2
 If you go to their site they have two other schemes that, imo, look better. Same spec as cf and cf pro. (us.yt-industries.com/cat/index/sCategory/260) That said, some of these more affordable specs really could be painted better.
  • + 2
 None of these are ugly!?
  • + 4
 There's actually additional colour schemes for each model on their site that aren't shown here...
  • + 2
 @Chadimac22: where as me and you dont think we should have to, id say other people appreciate it. Plus it fills in the gaps in their lineup better as far as travel numbers go. Jeffsy 27 is 150 so offering the capra at only 180 would leave a little to be desired for some people.
  • + 3
 I dont understand why an online bike company doesn’t have the ability to offer any the ability to choose your package and colour individually. Evil bikes does this.
  • + 0
 @cwatt - Cotic do this as well.
  • + 1
 @Chadimac22: you can still buy the 29 AL, sell the stock shock and buy a new one which brings the travel to 170.
You wouldn't spend too much
  • + 4
 @cwatt: And Evil comes with a much higher price tag. Want an entry Capra? $2500. Want an entry Evil? That will buy you the frame.
  • + 2
 And I believe Evil offers only 2 builds or packages compared to the Capra's 5. Nothing against Evil - they're great and I do like the frame only option.
  • + 4
 @cwatt: customization requires they stock significantly more parts/build kits and increases complexity in the assembly process at their factory. It also means they have reduced buying power as they are not buying as many complete build kits from the big OEM's which is how they get such good pricing. All of this drives up costs.
  • + 4
 @TheRaven: You are correct. Same shock chassis... a 230x65mm shock and a 230x60mm shock are the same aside from a spacer on the shaft. However... you can't just pop open the air can to remove the spacer. A full shock rebuild is required to remove or add the stroke/travel spacer.
  • + 0
 @Sam-B: Ah bummer. Well that's still cheaper than a new shock...or frame.
  • + 0
 @Sam-B: am i missing something? if you have a 230x60 shock and you remove the 5mm spacer wouldnt it make a 235x65 shock instead of a 230*65?
  • + 1
 @vlajko: It is a spacer limiting stroke at bottom out, not at top out.
  • + 0
 Nevermind. Misread.
  • - 1
 Bird in the UK do it too, but for about the same price and with more progressive geometry
  • + 2
 @Poulsbojohnny: Very valid point. Without knowing exact specs, from what I can tell in pictures the Evil XO1 build-kit option is similar to the CF Race Pro ($5200) except the Evil is $6,800.
  • + 3
 @cwatt depends on the bike but I'd say the evil X01 build options are closer to the cf pro yt build at $4300, with their arguably lower end, definitely less expensive rockshox suspension and brakes compared to the factory fox sus and codes on YT's Pro race. Carbon rims do change the price from either brand though...
  • + 2
 Honestly I think the black and blue AL model looks the best.
  • + 5
 @Dalday: yeah im with you dude. The X01 Wreck kit is very similar to the CF Pro but with $2500 in savings! The value on these YT's is starting to get outrageous which puts me in a heck of a position. I had all the way planned my next bike to be a Wreck but its just too hard to say no to these savings. And this coming from a guy who rides an Insurgent and lives in Seattle yet despite my Evil fanboyedness (sp? word?) I may go to YT.

Also, I went and compared the geo numbers between the bikes and they are remarkably similar except in WB and STA where YT is longer and steeper. Ill feel like a traitor turning my back on my local brand but damn is this a deal and a great looking bike.

#dropyourpricesevil....
  • + 1
 That's pretty much why I'm gonna buy Canyon.
  • + 2
 @Deanosuar: Don't forget that there are very good reasons for that $2000+ price difference. Like warranty - if you buy YT, Canyon...etc...you need to be prepared to be without your bike for a month plus if there's a significant issue. For some people that's no big deal, for others it's a straight up deal killer.
  • + 1
 Just check if the shock only needs a spacer removed from its internals to unlock the last 5mm ofits travel for the full travel of the frame. If this is not possible, just put the correct size shock on it and you’re set to go, @Chadimac22:
  • + 5
 @TheRaven: everything I’ve been reading about service leads me to believe if you buy one of these there is no support for you if anything goes wrong with the bike. Anybody have a good experience with YT warranty?
  • + 1
 @warehouse: It's not that there's NO support. It's that it's not reliable. From what i've been told by owners, YT always comes through in the end...it's just that it's a LOOOOOONG process.

That's why I said, if you are going this route, you need to have a backup plan, because there's a very good chance of being without your bike for a long period of time. When you choose a brand that's has a local dealer network, or is at least on the same continent, you are generally back on the trail within a few days. My extensive experience with Specialized has been that they get you back on the trail within 24 hours. THAT'S why you pay more.
  • + 4
 @TheRaven: Hardly any shops are gonna swap a frame out in 24 hrs, with most it's at least a week or longer. It sometimes depends more on the local shop than what particular brand of bike you bought because they are the go-between that you are dependent upon. Most shops are responsive, but some are procrastinators or super busy sometimes. I'm guessing one of the big American brands will eventually go the direct route, will be interesting to see if they can make it work better. But I wouldn't consider a yt or canyon simply because of the inferior bb.
  • + 3
 @Flowcheckers: All true. However you can't have good shops if you don't have shops.

Good shops that carry big brands can absolutely get you back on the trail in 24 hours. Or less. I know the big spec shop in my area can hand you a replacement frame on the spot if they have one...I know of more than one instance of exactly that happening...when they don't have it, and your claim is approved (which the good shops can also do without having to call Specialized), you will have a replacement in no more than 48 hours.

So yes, I know there's a big discrepancy between some shops, but obviously if a brand doesn't have shops at all, there's zero chance of that kind of experience.
  • + 91
 No high spec alloy models is becoming very disappointing.
  • + 50
 totally agree. I'd rather have an AL frame with fox elite than carbon and fox performance for nearly £4k
  • + 20
 @muggomagic: @muggomagic: its the same with all manufcaturers. try finding an AL bike with a decent set of wheels, forks, brakes and drivetrain. Its a Unicorn. I swear the markup on Carbon frames is higher so they try pushing you down that route. Long live steel and Ali.
  • + 16
 @riktherider: Transition has them. My smuggler is the top tier AL model and it doesn't leave me wanting for anything.
  • + 2
 It seems you have to buy the frame and build it yourself.
  • + 2
 @Shredthenoob: Im Not denying there arent a few, but thats the problem. there are only a FEW. All bar 1 of my bikes has been home built, but that decision is purley on what is available and there has never been a decent specced bike.
  • + 4
 @riktherider: radon swoop 170 is only Al, so you get top components for something like 4500€. And dialed geo : size large swoop is very close to new capra 27 XL.

But yeah, in 29" it's even more rare ..
  • + 6
 @Nukeproof Mega 290 and 275 Pro models are aluminum with fox factory suspension dt swiss wheels xt drivetrain and 170mm reverb dropper.
  • - 1
 @dudee47: Nukeproof are pretty good but they don't have a carbon 29er and in the 27.5 where they do they don't have an Alloy model with the same top of the range factory spec, although the pro model is a very nice spec still.
  • + 5
 @maglor: You commented "No high spec alloy model is disappointing", so why would you want a high end carbon model???
  • + 2
 @maglor: Also the alloy 29er and alloy 650b have the same spec at the top end.
  • + 12
 Commencal is what you're looking for, since they only make alloy bikes. Can go from a low end spec all the way up to a race spec.
  • + 5
 @riktherider: Cough, Canfield Balance, cough Smile . I'll let myself out...
  • + 0
 @rezrov: only if you have small feet. Watch out for heel clipping on chainstays
  • + 1
 @Shredthenoob: That's because Transition is an awesome company, big up Dave for the replacement tr frame
  • + 1
 Don't forget Diamondback...
  • + 1
 @riktherider: Commencal Meta AM V4.2 New Zealand is top of my shopping list at the moment. Alu frame and I reckon a killer spec for £3.6k
  • + 2
 @dudee47: My point was with bikes that have carbon and alloy (like the Capra) its becoming common to just have the alloy as a cheap price point but while top end carbon is great if you have the money most people are looking at the middle models where you don't get a very good spec with carbon so it would be nice to have a similarly priced alloy version in the middle of the range with a high end spec so you can choose to prioritize carbon or spec.

Also the Mega 290 comes in comp, pro and factory spec while the alloy 650 is just comp and pro, the factory spec is carbon only.
  • + 1
 @muggomagic: Agreed Commencal do some nice builds, and at decent pricing (albiet you have to get thehigher tier odels to get a decent wheelset) however they are all 650b. I'm not die hard 29er but i do prefer them for my size.
  • + 1
 The AL comp isn't a mega high spec but its certainly enough to get the job done. Good quality suspension, decent brakes and a good drivetrain. Sure its not XX1 eagle or XTR/di2 with kashima coated fox kit, but if you are willing to spend mega money to get those small performance benefits you are probably willing to spend the extra £500-£1000 to get it with the lighter carbon frame as well.

If you want a superbike buy one, if you want some value for money then you may as well buy aluminium with components that also represent good value for money.
  • + 1
 @dhridernz: what if someone doesnt want the carbon frame but want the killer kit?
  • + 1
 @riktherider: Lots of UK brands seem to have high(ish)-end AL... or just custom build...
  • + 78
 4 yrs of riding pf bb, not by choice, but no problems, 4 years riding without bottle cage on my freeride/enduro/trail bike, no problems. Drink before and after your ride/run or carry a hydration pack/spine protector on your 180mm bike, this is not an XC bike, you'll be ok i promise, give it a try.

New bikes look dialed, seems they read and respond to complaints. Longer, lower, XXL, short seat tube, standover, 29er, internal cables w/ guides, no cables under the bb, boost, not giving into the giant heavy eagle cassette fad, aluminum, proper dh brakes, XTR, price... and still nothing but complaints lol. I envision all of you with two 32 oz water bottles inside your frame and a threaded bb tool in your back pocket pedaling your 180mm bike 25 miles from your truck on a fire road haha.
  • + 16
 I envision all of you with two 32 oz water bottles inside your frame and a threaded bb tool in your back pocket pedaling your 180mm bike 25 miles from your truck on a fire road haha. Priceless.
  • + 8
 Best comment so far, absolutely in point.
  • + 4
 Haha brilliant! I thought there might be a coil on some models but no biggie.
  • + 4
 That is spot on
  • + 63
 No threaded BB ?
  • - 28
flag Trailstunter (Feb 8, 2018 at 4:59) (Below Threshold)
 Wow... really some original comment.. haven't read that like 2000 times on PB the last years...
  • + 10
 Argh. That's damn annoying especially if it is PF on the AL version.
  • + 10
 Every manufacturer who goes along with inferior BB standards should be called out for it. YT is a big advertiser on Pinkbike, so they apparently get a pass on the crap BB and lack of water bottle cage. You know a bike manufacturer is getting special treatment when they get a day-before preview release on a new bike model.
  • + 4
 Exactly. I read the article as far as press fit, then scrolled down because even if the rest of the bike is pumpking fucking pie it is not finding a home in my garage. At least pb comments are fun!
  • + 8
 Havent had any problem at all with PF in my old Trek Remedy 9.9 and not in my YT Capra Pro Race.. I really dont understand the issue at all... And the crying for a bottle cage.. pfft... beter have a good bike then all this standard rocker type bikes with bottle cages...
  • + 1
 Isn't the real issue PF92 with 30mm spindles?
  • + 7
 @Travel66: I have pf92 shimano's in several bikes and have never had any issues with them. One is approaching the three-year-old mark. My BB usually is get replaced every year but I'm letting this one hang out and see how long it really does last.
  • + 7
 @Trailstunter: I can give or take a bottle cage however everything I read about PF makes me not want one. I currently have a threaded and have never had any issues with them.

Weirdly I would rather not have a bottle on my bike as it makes my bike heavier. COG is better but the bike feels more lively without it.

Boost is also a PITA but it is the way things are going so cest la vie on that one.
  • + 7
 @fartymarty: you cannot judge from what you never experienced yourself.. don't just follow the howlers and winers...

I know a lot of peeps riding PF and I hear no complaints the last 3 years...
Only thing I had was rust in the bearings (seals), I replaced with ceramic, never any prob anymore...
  • + 1
 @Trailstunter: good point.

It is a good looking bike though but probably overkill for my local riding but you can't argue with the price.
  • + 5
 @Trailstunter: agree that I would rather have better suspension than compromise to fit a bottle.
  • + 1
 @properp: My point is about 30mm spindles not 24mm (Shimano)
  • + 1
 @Travel66:
completely agree. It's a 30mm axle and a pf/bb92 thats the problem. Can't get one with decent water proofing or ball bearings. And its not good for the frame to be knocking bearings in and out every few months. 24mm no problems as long a the frames well made so no creaking.
I won't buy another pf bike regardless of what axle my crank is. It's just not worth it. Threaded with ceramic bearings are a guaranteed easy reliable life for years.
  • + 2
 @markg1150: im not concerned about PF, just PF92 shouldn't be coupled with 30mm spindle...24 fine
  • + 1
 @Travel66: If they used 24 it would be heavier, would have to use a steel spindle like Shimano. Companies like FSA and SRAM usually prioritize weight savings over durability.... because customers can always just buy a new BB. Nearly all bottom bracket issues these days are directly related to PF BB BS.

I'll never buy a bike with PressFit BB because then your BB is the weak link just waiting to develop problems down the road.
  • + 2
 @Flowcheckers: I would take a steel axle over Al any day. For the same reason I have Zee cranks for their steel pedal inserts. For me durability >> weight.
  • + 0
 @Travel66: I'm running 30mm cranks I just use Shimano bottom brackets because they work. Just because I say Shimano bottom bracket does not mean I run Shimano Cranks My point.
  • + 2
 @properp: I didn't realise Shimano made a PF92 that takes 30mm spindles...which cranks are you using?
  • + 0
 @Travel66: GXP , XO, and Next. Pf92 x 30mm
  • + 2
 @properp:
Can't find a shimano bb92 with 30mm Axle. Have you got a link?
Genuinely Confused as Iv tried every thing but never come across a shimano pf/bb92 30mm.
  • + 0
 @markg1150: sorry not XO. Its XX1. JensonUSA
  • + 1
 @properp: Cannot see on Jenson...can you copy the link please?
  • + 1
 @properp: You must be mistaken, there is no Shimano PF92/30mm spindle BB.
  • + 0
 @Travel66: Correct....Shimano is 24mm only.
  • + 43
 Can anyone explain to me what the purpose of using shorter stroke shock on everything except the top model is? It seems like the reasoning is basically "If you want more travel, pay up, sucker".
  • + 6
 That’s really the only negative thing I can see from these new models. Aluminum versions of the long travel bikes would have put it on my list of possible new bikes.
  • + 7
 To compel you to shell out extra cash for the top tier models.
  • + 2
 @FindDigRideRepeat: the stock shock and fork could be bumped up in travel quite easily.
  • + 2
 Doesn't this also change the geometry?
Weird.
  • + 9
 It's most likely a matter of removing a 5mm travel spacer on the shorter-stroke shock. Unless they've completely changed things for no reason, shocks of the same eye-to-eye are all capable of the same max travel, they just use travel spacers for the shorter stroke.
  • + 2
 @colincolin: No, because the eye-to-eye shock length is the same and the shock stroke is shorter, so the only change is that it bottoms out sooner in the travel.
  • + 3
 @colincolin: No, as the Eye to Eye is the same
  • + 1
 "If you want more travel, pay up, sucker". There, you answered your own question.
  • + 3
 They have always done this on the Capra. It was always 165 or 170 on the high spec bikes
  • + 1
 @bikeis4life: Well, it kinda changes the geo since at sag the rear will sit higher.
  • + 2
 @maxjdewaele:Actually, It wouldn't change the sag (if you set it up with same spring rate/air pressure) since the shock has more travel and same i2i and air volume. It just allows an additional 10mm travel and the end of the stroke. The fork is 10mm longer which changes the static geo by raising the bb 3mm and slackens the head angle 0.4*, approximately.
  • + 33
 Three most important things in new bike for PB readers: water bottle cage, threaded BB and color. I am looking for a bit different things on my bike.
  • + 3
 seriously! who are these people?
  • + 4
 Agreed - It's ridiculous! These people may be trying to justify their own choices with this nit-picking.
  • + 33
 I would totally mount those tires ever so slightly off just to fu@k with peoples OCD.
  • + 3
 I tried to cure my ocd by deliberately turning my stem top cap round a few degrees. It totally worked!
  • + 5
 *gasp* you monster!!
  • + 5
 @jaame: I cured my OCD related to buying a new shiny carbon frame by scratching it purposefully on the top tube before brake levers do it...
  • + 3
 @jaame: I've always put mine on a 45* angle because then it looks deliberately crooked
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: that's why you buy a new shiny Trek, knock block ready
  • + 23
 The more important question is: will production be able to keep up with demand?
  • + 14
 Sure. Production speed must have been the only reason why they opted for the press fit assembly.
  • + 3
 That is the question, isn't it? The new Jeffsy's are in stock across the board and people are taking delivery. The Capra's are out to June. I would hope that YT has their supply chain sorted out this year. Reading on the 29er thread sounded like a nightmare for a lot of folks.

(throws leg over Jeffsy 27 and rides off)
  • + 22
 Gotta say the colour schemes are horrific
  • + 0
 agreed. unimaginative and just bad.
  • + 8
 @Longtravel: I think they look good. No need to run the Santa Cruz / Toyota colorway. Seems better than most to me? Glad it's not highlighter yellow
  • + 5
 @Soilsledding: I'm all about the red. Stealth black has had its day. It's all about red for 2018.
  • + 6
 I dont get how these colors are bad? Like I could see these bikes looking so good in person. Yet tons of people bought the bright pink and yellow bronson and pink and blue nomad from SC...
  • + 13
 Compared to Intense these look like something a self respecting grown man could ride out in public.
  • + 7
 youd rather have a baby diarrhea colored santa cruz? or that they would make the yeti teal and call it something else like every other company these days?
  • + 3
 @Soilsledding: Or day glow green. Can we be done with that whole thing already?
  • + 4
 Really?? I like them. Kinda retro but modern. At least for the carbon frames. I think you're right about the alloy ones..
  • + 3
 I like the new colors, but then I ride the 2015 stormtrooper B & W scheme.
  • + 1
 The red and white Santa cluas mobile is pretty fugly
  • + 4
 @bridgermurray: You never know. I ran into a fellow on the trail last weekend with a blue/black 29 Jeffsy. In person, the blue looks fantastic. Online, not so much. Same thing with my wife's Giant. Online the red of her stance looks dark. In person it is more orangy/red. Looks sweet.
  • + 0
 @jaame: When the black and white on my Jeffsy gets too chipped and worn, my plan is to strip it down, scuff, prime, and paint candy apple red with lots of clear coat. Because candy apple red.
  • + 1
 @Poulsbojohnny: get it done. I'm kind of in two minds about doing it to my nomad, because the once satin black is looking polished all over the top tube. red would look sweet.
  • + 17
 Campain is clearly working, YT webpage seems to have broken down under the assault of potential goatees
  • + 2
 On my FB there are about five of these adverts from the various MTB websites in a row.
  • - 6
flag properp (Feb 8, 2018 at 7:35) (Below Threshold)
 @korev: what's Facebook?
  • + 19
 @properp: Don't be such a hipster. You clearly know, as korev only said 'FB' and you could tell what that meant.
  • + 10
 My Capra Pro CF was 4500 Euro when it was new, now its 5200 euro. 700 euro more for mostly the same spec and all the same problems as last years (Press fit, no bottle cage, e-13 stuff really isn't as nice as the equivalent stuff from other brands)

Think I'll just keep my 2017 for now and wait for something else. The longer reach would be nice though.
  • + 1
 What trouble have you had with e-thirteen? I've none..
What trouble have you had with PF? I've none...

Reach I agree... for the rest perfect bike the 2017 indeed...
  • + 1
 you know mate
  • - 1
 @Trailstunter: e-13 Tires, I prefer Minions, the e-13 cassette doesn't shift as nice as a Shimano setup, or eagle, the rear hub has come loose multiple times. PressFit, after a month of riding in the wet starts to creak and groan.

Just found the e-13 stuff takes a lot more time to maintain to keep it running good.
  • + 3
 @j-wasilenko:
Well I dunno what you do with your bike but shifting is perfect with the casette, you might wanna adjust your derailleur...
The tires well that is perdonal, I like them... also have minions on other wheelset...
BB change the bearings for ceramic, it is a problem with water coming in through the seals... maybe also cause you dont dry it well after a ride...
I dont agree on the maintenance... but hey it's all personal...
  • + 1
 @j-wasilenko: Totally personal preference, but the E13 cassette shifts WAY better than the XT 11-46 cassette. The 37-46 jump on the XT cassette sucks and it's HEAVY. E13 tires are the favorite of many of my riding buddies who have previously been on Minions, so for us the YT E13 spec is a bonus!
  • + 10
 Long travel 29er park bike. Yes please. They should sell it stock with a dual-crown, because that's what I'd buy this bike for. Really excited about companies picking up longer chainstays on larger bikes. I've felt many demoed bikes with ultra-short chainstays were also ultra twitchy. No water bottle and pf92 are interesting choices, but not sure it matters for a park bike.
  • - 4
flag jaame (Feb 8, 2018 at 7:26) (Below Threshold)
 Didn't Sam hill ask for longer chainstays on the demo and end up slower?
  • + 14
 @jaame: No Gwin did and went faster.
  • + 1
 how about buying the 27.5 and putting 49 on the front....
  • + 10
 All you true Endurbros should be snapping this up with no bottle cage. 2017 EWS Champion Sam Hill- No bottle cage 2016 EWS Champion Richie Rude- No bottle cage 2015 EWS Champion Richie Rude- No bottle cage 2014 EWS Champion Jared Graves- No bottle cage The secret to being and Enduro lord is not having a bottle cage
  • + 0
 Yeti at least offers a water bottle mount under the down tube...
  • + 12
 400€ more expensive than the 2017 models...
  • + 6
 yep, when you consider that top model capra was around €4.000, the new top model is €5.200 that is quite siqinificant and for that kind of money you could really buy any brand you want not just direct sales
  • + 2
 which one?
  • + 10
 +400€ per bike
That's how they pay Gwin and Lacondeguy's wages
????
  • + 8
 AL models are 300E (AL2) and 200E (AL1) more then previous year with better equipment. Super Deluxe, Code brakes, 9-46t ethirteen cassette. I guess I can swallow the rise.
  • + 6
 @Charbel1911 new moulds need to be paid for.
  • + 11
 @frix182: McLarens don’t come cheap.
  • + 6
 They will have had to buy all new moulds and tooling for 2018. And they've done a f*cking load of sizes. Carbon front triangle moulds probably cost about £80k each. Times through every size they're making and they're doing 29 and 27.5 versions. The Capras were getting cheaper and cheaper year on year partly because they were using the same frame over and over and just changing the paint (so the tools and moulds were already paid for). That and they were no doubt getting better deals on buying the parts and groupsets and stuff because of economies of scale. If you wait until 2019 to buy one they will almost certainly be cheaper - but there's something nice about getting a new bike right now!
  • + 1
 @Stenimir: Yep, that's Santa Cruz money right there.
  • + 1
 Price will go down, as they always seem to be on sale on their website. But...will you be able to get one in your size? Doubtful.
  • - 7
flag Soilsledding (Feb 8, 2018 at 7:17) (Below Threshold)
 No reason to buy this bike. Might as well get a patrol or sentinel. Plus it has outdated geo already
  • + 3
 I'm not saying you're wrong, but I find it impossible to believe a mold costs £80k. Just can't see it.
  • + 4
 these are the same prices as before, the price of the bikes just goes down throughout the year as they try to clear inventory. The fact is these are probably the best priced bikes for the spec in the industry and PBers just like to complain. That said, they have trained me to wait for the black Friday sales to get new bikes but it's going to be hard this time, I need this new goat!
  • - 1
 @jaame: You are right...molds are nowhere near £80K or $80K for that matter. With todays available cnc machines, you're looking at anywhere from $5K-$20K a mold.
  • + 2
 @jaame: $30k USD to $150k USD depending on the complexity of the mould. A road bike mold compared to a bike with any linkage is a wide spectrum of mold complexity too. I'm guessing they changed/improved the lay up as well (I hope), which is more money. Also, mould cost is my guess as to why they couldn't afford to/didn't offer XL and XXL in the past.

Who knows. It would be interesting to get to go to Taipei and see how things work over the course of a year.
  • + 1
 @Stenimir: What top of the range non-direct sale bikes come in at a cheaper price?
  • + 1
 @topherdagopher: No it's not.
  • + 1
 I always get confused by the words mold and mould. Which one is the one used to form shapes, and which one is the smelly one that grows in camelbaks?
  • + 1
 @jaame: Here in the US, *mold* is used for both giving an item shape and the green crap growing on old food. I believe *mould* is the british spelling.
  • + 2
 @kwapik: blazers you're right!

For anyone who is interested, the spellings are the same for both meanings. American is mold for both. UK English is mould for both.
  • + 1
 @jaame: Now you and I are smarter :-D
  • + 1
 @kwapik: thanks brew
  • + 7
 Could someone please explain to me why people get all bothered about water bottle mounts? On my Insurgent I use a strap on bottle mount system that I actually use on two other bikes as well (that do have WB mounts). I prefer being able to take it on and off in about five seconds and move between bikes for when I won't be carrying a pack. I would actually prefer not to have the mounts except on a trekking type bike.
  • - 6
flag chillrider199 (Feb 8, 2018 at 8:08) (Below Threshold)
 Because you kinda need water to live. And say youre shuttling a mountain and it takes 20 min to get down or so. You have to carry a backpack while all your friends dont. Extra weight on your body. I dont like that, especially when Im trying to be pinned
  • + 3
 I had a water bottle mount on my previous bike that rarely ever got used. I wear a pack, and I like it. To each his own. If you don't have a pack, what do you do with your keys, wallet, phone, multi-tool, spare tube, pump or CO2, etc? While I rarely need any of that, it sure is nice to have if I get a flat 5 miles from the trailhead.
  • + 1
 @huntstyle: Fanny Pack. Keeps weight lower on your body. And if I dont want to put a tube in my little pack (which I dont.) I use a OneUp tube holding strap.
  • + 7
 Titter titter! He said ‘strap on’. Sn*gger.

On that note though, most of my rides are 1-2 hours. Tubeless rarely gets flats. I find I hardly ever need a tool so water is all that remains. Im not carrying a pack for 1l of water so bottles work fine. On a bigger day out, packs all the way. It makes me laugh when I go to my local trail centre for a quick spin and people are packed to the max. Why? Phone, car key, bottle. Job done.
  • + 2
 wow. The word snigger got auto edited. Madness.
  • + 2
 @ilovedust: Yeah, thats pretty much what I do. I just carry tools and such with me because I know how to work on bikes, and I usually help a bit of people on the trails who dont. But on the days where I dont want to do that, same thing as you.
  • + 2
 @chillrider199:

If a water bottle is that important to you, this bike is not for you. period.
  • + 1
 @ilovedust: I do the same, bring a water bottle on my Insurgent. My point was that is is a 10 dollar item that is actually more convenient (for me at least) than built in bottle mounts. Rather than screwing and unscrewing, I just attach using two Velcro straps. Mine is SMS, but there are many other brands.
  • + 2
 If I’m to take a guess, I’d say that the water bottle mount appeals to day riders who don’t want to carry everything on their back. With integrated tool solutions like the OneUp products and tubeless tires the norm, the only other thing you’d need is a H2O mounts to go on a ride. I think customers are looking for new products to provide them with options rather than forcing them down a certain path (i.e., a backpack water solution).
  • + 0
 first world problems! Ha Ha people just wanna whine!
  • + 1
 I wouldn't say that I got all bothered with it, but in the past the presence or lack of a water bottle mount would have been a decisive factor in choosing a bike. Why? Weight. A backpack weighs 600 grams, a 700ml bottle setup weighs 110, or 140 if you are using straps to fix it on the frame. That's a difference of 590 grams. How much money do people pay to get a bike that's 590 grams lighter? Easily some extra 2000 dollars. For enduro racing there is no need of a big water pack for race day, a water bottle will do because there is a supply of water at each stage. So, that's my perspective at least. However, recently I was forced to think outside of the water bottle paradigm, and I have found some really light water packs that cover the weight issue. A 1 liter backpack that's enough for racing day and weighs only 200 grams. A 2 liter backpack that weighs 300 grams. Even at full capacity, it doesn't really bother you.
  • + 7
 It has everything right*:
longer reach, shorter seat tube, steep seat angle (sort of) and longer chainstay for bigger frame sizes. Even the cheapest option has Lyrik, Code brakes, Super Deluxe and 9-46t cassette.

*only downsize is the missing bottle cage for some.
  • + 10
 That 29" 170mm. Bites fist...
  • + 10
 Only air shocks?
  • + 1
 Surprising considering the previous Capra's linkage design was very favorable to coil shocks. Can't imagine the linkage curve changed THAT much with this new model.
  • + 2
 @PoussMouss Yeah, that's odd....I guess the aftermarket needs to eat, too.
  • + 1
 Yeah, wanna hear how well it damps with RockShox Super Deluxe Coil RCT.
  • + 7
 The major innovation that I see here is releasing their 2018 model in, wait for it .... 2018?

Or is this the 2019 model? Am I getting ahead of myself?
  • + 7
 PressFit...NOOOOOOOOO Frown
  • + 3
 I wish they would have released info this months ago! I bought the Kona Process 29 when it came out in October (first brand new full-sus trail bike for me) but the parts spec isn't nearly as good as on the Capra 29. I got a Yari, deluxe, NX drivetrain and Level T brakes for $3,000 but I could have had a Lyric, super deluxe, SLX drivetrain and Code brakes for $2500. The Kona does ride amazing though so I can't be upset about that.
  • + 4
 Sick bike, hopefully there will be no warranty issues with it cause the waiting time for a warranty e-mail reply will go from 3 months to billions and billions and billions and billions more...
  • + 4
 The world revolves in circles. After the Enduro revolution, that ended with a surge in trail bikes, people realize that a larger amount of travel is not a bad thing for real riding. Next year, DH is gonna be en vogue again.
  • + 3
 What is it with all these people moaning about water bottle cages, Yes the YT doesn't have one. So what ! if that's the only thing your bothered about stop looking and moaning about it and fuck off down to Halfords and buy a Carrera with 2 on it problem solved. Most of these moaners couldn't afford the Goat anyway
  • + 3
 Hmmm... looks okay, long travel. Press fit BB kind of sucks, but whatever...

Wait... oh no.... NO YOU DIDN'T YT! YOU GODDAMN MONSTERS!

AN INTERNALLY ROUTED REAR BRAKE LINE?!?!?!&$**&@#??!?!

HELL NO. KILL IT WITH FIRE!
  • + 1
 Serious question. This another one of those, "Am I missing the plot?" ones.

Internally routed brake line. Why the hate?
You either buy a bike with brakes already installed - no routing needed.
Or upgrade new brakes - route once, cut to length, close, bleed. Ride.

It isn't like these things are getting replaced every month due to wearing out...
  • + 5
 @Poulsbojohnny: I'm not a fan of internally run rear brake lines. If you ever end up swapping the brakes, its a huge PITA.
  • + 2
 @Poulsbojohnny:
If you ever need to install a brake, then you need to bleed it. If you ever need to pull the brakes to do maintenance, like cleaning the caliper or lubing the pistons, then you need to bleed it. If your friend from across the pond who is used to moto-style levers is borrowing the bike, then you need to bleed it.

Most importantly, if you ever have one of those "oh shit" moments, and need to swap brakes between bikes, you need to bleed it. When you fix things and swap back, you need to bleed it.

I've done all of these things on my bike in the past year. That's five extra bleeds that are totally unnecessary, solely in the name of aesthetics. Maybe on a road bike where fashion and aero is king, it would be acceptable. But mountain bikes, if you're riding them properly, require a lot of maintenance. Making that maintenance as easy as possible should be a design priority.
  • + 2
 @tsheep:
Most of your argument is completely unrelated to replacing the actual hydraulic line.
The guy from across the pond, well, he can suffer for a borrowed ride. And swapping lever position should only require a bleed, not a re-cable.
For cleaning the caliper, again, not necessary to remove the hydraulic line. Just pull the caliper.
Yes, re-bleeding is necessary, but not that big of a deal if it is something you do frequently.

I think that a lot of this pain would be gone if the industry just designed proper master cylinders. The closed system that bikes use is a joke. I can't believe how ridiculous it is. Push pull push pull, then pull push, then whatever. its overly complicated due to the closed nature of the system. A small reservoir would eliminate all of this. If nothing else, a large enough injection tool for the master that would allow you to properly crack and pump the circuit to replace fluid.
  • + 1
 Nope, In an emergency, you run the brake hose externally my dood. A couple of zip ties and off you go to your shop for a bleed, I suppose. A bleed at home isn't a big deal. I've been lazy and run that way for months.
  • + 2
 @Poulsbojohnny:
Friend from across the pond is a hazard to everyone involved without the brake lines swapped, and if you look closely at the way these lines are routed you will have a bad time trying to swap them with their current side-specific routing.

Cleaning the caliper- yes, this is exactly my point, you have now added an otherwise unnecessary bleed to the process. Is it a big deal? Not really, but it is annoying as hell if all you want to do is resolve a sticky brake issue.

And yes, I agree completely on the stupid closed cylinder design. One of the many reasons I have gone Hope for everything- no stupid syringes or "bleed tools". Just a baggie, a box wrench, and a bottle of DOT. Pour from the top, drain from the bottom, perfect results every time.
  • + 5
 will be bought by loads of people then they realise the bike is a tank with far too much travel and wonder why their strava times are worse lol
  • + 8
 Jeffsy FTW
  • + 28
 Capra riders don't Strava.
  • - 12
flag poah (Feb 8, 2018 at 9:57) (Below Threshold)
 That’s cause they are too thick to know how @endlessblockades:
  • + 10
 @poah: Naw, it's because we don't need an app to tell us we're smoking y'all. Smile
  • - 5
flag poah (Feb 8, 2018 at 10:53) (Below Threshold)
 @endlessblockades: yeah smooth trail centre runs that really require 170mm of travel.
  • + 1
 @poah: I race END & DH on my Capra and we have mountains here in California not 'Trail Centres'. My ppl come from Scotland, so no hard feelings, ya Chav! Smile
  • + 0
 @endlessblockades: chav isn't a Scottish slang word Wink
  • + 2
 @poah: I suspected that - It's all I could come up with!! I have a limited repertoire for the UK in general: Salad-dodger, punter, git....what should I upgrade to for the Scots?
  • + 0
 @endlessblockades: Just because you race DH on your Capra, doesn't mean it's faster than a DH bike. Likewise, it's gonna be slower for Enduros because of pedaling. Same reason that most EWS racers don't get out the heavy hitters until they're really needed, and it's sure as hell not in California.
  • + 1
 @dualsuspensiondave: Just saying I use it for everything I do, I'm a punter - not looking to shave seconds or set KOHs. I'd rather have more travel than less.
  • + 1
 @endlessblockades: Gotcha, I did find that my Recluse is more fun everywhere than my Nomad 3. A modern 140-150mm bike is so capable these days that travel isn't really what makes them any better, it's the geo. I'm all about the big hits and hucking as well. The Recluse is my one bike quiver. You can definitely justify having a bigger trail bike out there. You don't always have to go up a technical climb to get back down. Plenty of elevation out there though!
  • + 1
 @dualsuspensiondave: I hear ya. The surprising thing was that my 1st gen Capra climbed/climbs better than any other bike I've had! It was a pleasant surprise. Climbing isn't my favorite part of the sport, to be honest - it's just something I tolerate.
  • + 3
 This bike checks everything on my christmas list. 29" 170mm of travel, long (but still reasonable) reach, low standover, chainstay length that adjusts with size! 2 misses are PF BB and no water bottle, but damnit we can't have it all! Epic looking bike, and at these prices, may have to add one to the stable.
  • + 7
 Would still rather a sheep..
  • + 5
 New lineup looks amazing! Congrats YT! Looking forward to being in your customer database!
  • + 4
 This is exciting, long travel 29 bikes in Aluminum that are affordable are mostly non existant with current geometry and here is YT, just what I've been looking for!
  • + 3
 Not hating but just wondering do people stil have the right tool for the job or do they just buy one of these do it all bikes. I know that i could never give up riding the right bike for the trails im on
  • + 3
 Interesting thought, i have a DH bike and a 140mm trail bike (with 160 fork) and i think a lot of people compromise themselves so they don't need 2 bikes, which is fair as bikes are expensive enough without needing 2

But there are alot of times i ride trails that are flatter and really fun on the trail bike which wouldn't be fun on anything bigger as it would feel sluggish and slow but if i didn't have the DH bike i would feel my trail bike would need to be bigger like the 160/170 enduro bikes (capra) so that i can still ride loose DH tracks without missing my DH bike but that would make the more chilled rides much less fun.

I also have a carbon hardtail that gets out of its depth quickly but its so much fun and fast on smoother stuff that would just be boring on a trail bike, the right tool for the job definitely wins but it is wonderful that we have bikes capable of doing it all to a reasonable degree.
  • + 5
 I'm considering replacing my DH bike with something like this. Modern DH bikes are so freaking crazy you need to be going so fast and huge to make them work, and they feel slow to me even on bike park blacks. I would definitely not want a bike like this for general trail riding, way too sluggish to be fun and it probably climbs like crap, and too much bike for most enduro courses around here.
  • + 3
 I've got a '17 Nomad and a '17 KTM Myroon. They are, as you might guess, very different bikes that cover an incredibly broad range of uses. Plus, I can ride many of the same trails on them and get wholly different experiences. I love those two bikes. I have started envisioning myself with something in the 140-150mm range, maybe even 29er. My expectations is that that would push the Nomad out of favor a lot except for park days or some gnarlier local stuff.
  • + 2
 Seeing how bikes are getting so expensive and the new do-it-all bikes are so capable...
  • + 5
 Damn! As a tall guy, super stoked that they have a properly big XXL, with a reasonable Seat Tube length.
  • + 3
 With longer chainstays and a fair amount of stack Smile
Though it would be nice if the XXL came with 175mm cranks and a 175mm dropper. Two fewer things to have to customize.
  • + 2
 @alexsin: Yeah don't get why the big bikes don't come with 175mm cranks.
  • + 1
 @alexsin: I'm not too worried about the 175 mm cranks, but a longer dropper would be appreciated. I'm running a 200 mm dropper on my current bike - I'm never going back to 150 mm.
  • + 1
 Also as a tall guy would be nice to see a steeper seat tube angle on xl/xxl sizes so I’m not way out over the rear axle with my dropper extended as I climb.
  • + 3
 Ok how many of u have reached for your water bottle,stuck it in your mouth and got a mouthful of mud. Water bottles are great. Just carry a lifestraw. I came here to read about the new Capra and learned about water bottles
  • + 2
 @mikekazimer Amen, brotha... AMEN! "For riders who regularly find themselves seeking out gnarly, technical trails, and who alternate between riding chairlifts, shuttling, and pedaling, the return of the long travel trail smasher will be a welcome one."
  • + 2
 According to vital mtb they didn't make a small 29er because they didn't think it would work for smaller riders. The medium jeffsy is smaller than the medium capra 29er and that works fine! Adds to growing list of bikes that are too big...
  • + 3
 Maybe it's just their PC way of saying that it doesn't make sense for a size S rider to ride a 29 inch wheel?
  • + 9
 Carbon frame moulds cost a LOT of money. Like ~£80k. If they're barely going to sell any size small 29ers (because it doesn't really make sense to buy a small framed gravity oriented bike with massive wheels) they likely won't recover the cost. The other thing is to maintain the balance of the bike the rear triangle has to get smaller/larger as the front triangle does. But rear triangles can only be so small with a 29" wheel in the back and 160-170 travel. So it might be problematic design wise too to have a 29er in a size small frame with so much travel. All round I can see why they decided against it.
  • + 0
 They have made all the sizes bigger though, so it's not even like a small relative to all the other sizes would be that small! Plus if you happen to be short with long legs then 650b's in the right size are all far too low. We've went from having too small bikes for big people to too big bikes for small people
  • + 2
 @RockNRolla92: If the bikes are too big for small people (or children) then IMO the solution is not integrating the biggest wheel size into the smallest frame size, but having that #26aintdead wheel size in the XS, S, M frame sizes (with reduced suspension travel as well). Preferably as cheap alu-only builds.
Regarding YT sizing. I would say that it is on par with Santa Cruz i.e. small and plays to shortone's ego. At 191cm I would not describe myself as XXL, but rather borderline L-XL. It's also true for my clothing. Unless it is Italian. Then all of a sudden I become size XXXXXXXL.
  • + 4
 @jollyXroger: I think on size S and XS 26" wheels make a lot of sense. They're basically for people under ~5'5 (165cm) at that point which is short adults and kids. I don't think either short adults or kids are going to get a tonne of benefit out of 29s or even 650b on a gravity bike. It's just going to be harder to handle.
  • + 1
 @tom666: Exactly the point I'm trying to make.
  • + 1
 @tom666: I'd quite like them to actually ask shorter people what they'd ride. I'm 5"6.5 and I've got a medium jeffsy 29er which fits wonderfully. The medium Capra's reach is just a bit too big.

@jollyXroger so what your suggesting is that if you are small you can't get carbon or a decent build, wtf!

Both of you are now basically saying that because you think small people won't be able to ride bigger wheels that they shouldn't get the option.

What happened to options ?
  • + 1
 @jollyXroger: I'm definitely an XXL on this chart but I'm super stoked. It's very close to the numbers I'm looking for without being a boat.

Chainstays get longer on the bigger bikes, as they should.
  • + 2
 @RockNRolla92: Point that I made regarding the cheaper, alu-only builds in those small sizes, it was principally aimed at addressing kids getting access to decent MTBs at cost their parents can swallow. Not depriving you of your right to fork out a pile of cash for a carbon bike.

As for the size S 29er, or the lack of it, you should refer to my original comment i.e. that it makes very little if any sense.
  • + 2
 @alexsin: Yes, I agree on the numbers being quite close to what I'm after as well. Apart from the real STA. It's very much on the slack side (still better than Slash though). At a fully extended seat post (especially for us tall folk) that ESTA will be noticeably slacker than what's listed in the geo chart.
  • + 1
 YES!!! SO HAPPY! SIZE XXL! Only available starting June 6... darn.
  • + 7
 YT tourqe ????
  • + 3
 *Norton
  • + 1
 Interestingly enough:Race Pro in Europe=5199 euro..same Race Pro in US=4241 euro...Fukkin 'A ...worth goin' in vacation to Boulder, Colorado and order one piece carbon goat a while earlier..and U save yourself 'bout 800 euros..I'm a freakin' genius..anyone else?
  • + 1
 Really nice bikes, that red is "fast". But I have to say, I reall, hate the fact, that you YT equals prices in USD vs EUR no matter what. You should be seperate the prices depending on exchange rate. What I mean, that I will be paying more money than US citizen.
  • + 4
 I could be wrong, but I think the EU price includes and average European VAT of 18%, while the US price includes no sales tax as it varies from state to state.
  • + 13
 Cry me a river... Try being canadian
  • + 5
 @mollow: Peoplekind
  • + 1
 @JBSDesigns: Yes the Euro price is including VAT (19% in Germany) the top model if you caompare to the US price should be Euro 4370 compared to USD 5200.
  • + 1
 @Vulhelm: hahaha gold
  • - 1
 @JBSDesigns: US bikes ship from Nevada; only Nevada residents would need to pay sales tax.
  • + 1
 @n0ahfense: They moved to SoCal.
  • + 2
 YT, thanks you sooooo much for doing a proper tall guys bike (XXL). For that, I'll even forgive you for not figuring out how to put a waterbottle mount on the bike!

Now, add a frameset only option and we're in business.
  • + 1
 Can anyone comment on ways to make the capra more slack?
Looks like the metric shocks use bushings--so offset bushings are an options--or is a trunnion-mount with bearings? Otherwise, angleset with straight 1-1/8" steerer...
  • + 2
 Finally done sensible sizing! I hope they stiffened the rear end laterally and improved quality control. Would be a great bike then and I would buy another, even after all the issues I had with the old goats....
  • + 1
 Why the CF 27 model looks like having a less travel and stepper head angle comaparing to CF Pro 27? Is it just an optical illusion due to different forks, the forks has a different total lenght in axle to crown or perhaps they used wrong for during the making of photos?
  • + 1
 Nice bikes.... but I paid £3200 for my 2015 top of the range carbon Capra. Now that wont even pay for the bottom of the range carbon Capra. Still would conside them but its no way as much of a "no brainer" as it was 3 years ago. There are other good bikes out there close in price, which wasnt the case with the gen 1.
  • + 5
 Pink Bike you are a Canadian web site and you can"t post CDN$ prices?
  • + 1
 But they employ americans.... and it would be a lot of work to put that pricing in CDN$, for such a small market.
  • + 1
 Except they have headquarters in Irvine CA USA!
  • + 1
 @cmcrawfo: as journalist it would not be very hard to go to the Canadian web site and include the information.
  • + 1
 @madocreg2: you should see my comment in the downvotes section .... apparently, that grand feat of journalism, would be too much effort, for a market as small as canada.
  • + 4
 I'm taking my gorgeous matte black 2016 Capra CF Pro for a ride this morning. Stoked!
  • + 5
 PressFit, no bottle cage, only on fireroad ? Sick bike.
  • + 3
 I can deal with no water bottle cage, it's the internal routing I can't deal with. Stop with the annoying internal cable routing!!! Please!!
  • + 1
 completely agree
  • + 1
 I’m glad there’s no bottle mounts.im thinking about buying the cheapest one and slowly upgrading components over time. Just not sure if I want another carbon bike or if I should do the aluminum one and save the money.. I hope they do a demo tour ASAP
  • + 1
 @mtbakerpow: Sea Otter isn't too far off.
  • + 1
 @kwapik: I want to start riding a new bike in march!actually I’d like to buy a new bike this month but they don’t have the one I want in stock..I really want the cheaper version drivetrain but still want a 180mm fork/rear end.wish there was an option that had the full travel without the full price with only one colorway
  • + 1
 @kwapik: plus I’m not close enough to just pop over to sea otter to demo a bike,im up near the Canadian border
  • + 1
 @mtbakerpow: Yeah, I hear you. I want the base black/blue model, but It's not available until June...Bites! I prefer aluminum and like you - I like to upgrade to brands and specifications I would rather have.

TBH, I didn't even look to see where you were located when I mentioned Sea Otter. I'm sure YT will have their *Rolling Circus* demo tour, but it'll probably in the summer which is a long time off also.
  • + 3
 British price £100 more than the exchange rate of the euro price. ???? Erm we've not left yet. 
Could understand if that price includes delivery.....
  • + 27
 It's part of the punishment beating currently being negotiated.
  • + 7
 I wish Brexit would piss off
  • + 9
 @kipvr: Riot
  • + 1
 Changes I would make to this:

1. Coil front and rear
2. Eagle

Other than that it’s pretty much what I want. Come on Santa Cruz make that 170/180 coil nomad 9er. I need it by January 2019 please.
  • + 4
 Finally! A company has told SRAM to SUCK IT!
  • + 1
 Seriously, I have the 2016 Capra and switched all that mess out once it wore out. First time I was happy to replace my entire group set.
  • + 0
 Pinkbike, why when you talk about climbing ability on most bike reviews (or first impressions) you always say something along the lines of "pedals well with the shock fully open"

sorry but why does that matter, pretty much all shocks have a climb mode so why wouldn't you use it, even if it does climb well without the climb mode id still rather make that "climbs well" into climbs brilliantly with the climb mode.

I know open mode is a probably a more fair way to compare bikes that have different shocks but if a bike comes with a certain shock then that shocks climbing mode should be factored into the bikes ability to climb as that's what most of us are going to be using that bike with.
  • + 45
 Switching to climb mode for every climb is not a problem on the type of ride that goes long climb - long descent - home but for rides like I do, with no mountains for hundreds of miles but lots of short punchy climbs. Switching the shock every time is a faff and can lead to forgetting and leaving it closed on the descent. How it climbs with the shock open is actually pretty useful to know.
  • + 5
 Probably because of pedaling sections in downhill trails, yeah, those that no one really likes.
  • + 21
 I'd rather have a bike that climbs well without using switches and I appreciate the mention. More than a few times, I've done an hour long climb to the top of a great descent in climb mode, than forgotten to go back to open before the descent. That sucks. I much rather have a bike I can happily use 100% of the time in open mode.
  • - 3
 @Patrick9-32: Fair comment but for that kind of riding why don't you get a remote? i know not all shocks can have one but that's another thing i think more bikes should have, it makes sense and the only reason we don't is because people are adverse to more cables and handle bar clutter.
  • + 3
 @maglor: The idea of that combination dropper/locker that was being talked about really appeals to me. a remote lock out shock would be ok but I am firmly in the reducing cables/clutter camp and they are not easy to come by these days.

Better than all of that would be a bike which pedals well with the shock open though so you don't need to think about it at all.
  • + 6
 I agree with the last thing you said. However, there are a number of reasons to use the open mode. First off, I ride trails that have lots of ups and downs, so I can't take the time to switch over. Second, what if you get caught off guard by a punchy climb in your descent? The bike will need to climb well there, in open mode. Lastly, open mode offers a lot of rear wheel grip when plowing up a chunky section.
  • - 1
 @Adamrideshisbike: Once again a climb switch remote would solve this issue, for the sake of an extra cable i really think more bikes should have it, we wouldn't go back to having shocks without climb modes would we. people insist on a dropper remote rather than a lever on the post so why isn't the climb switch the same?
  • + 11
 maybe because climb mode while climbing real terrain, not a fire road, doesn´t make any sense
  • + 1
 @bok-CZ: It does when you have a cane creek shock with a properly engineered climb switch that works wonders for technical climbing rather than most other shocks that just ramp up the compression to the point of nearly locked out.
  • - 1
 @Patrick9-32: "Better than all of that would be a bike which pedals well with the shock open though so you don't need to think about it at all." totally agree but unfortunately that defies physics as its all a compromise with descending, you cant have the cake and eat it as they say.
  • + 5
 @maglor: Tell that to Polygon/ Marin haha.
  • + 1
 @maglor: had one, climbing in tech was way better on open shock on banshee virtual platform
  • + 2
 @Patrick9-32: Must admit I am very intrigued to try the R3ACT suspension as everything says it is crazy efficient but does that mean it compromises the supple terrain eating descending capabilities?
  • + 3
 I don't get the hate toward climb switches in long travel bikes; some say they compensate for a flawed desing, I say they allow the best of both worlds.
I can understand that way of thinking for 130 to 150mm bikes, but not for 160/170mm enduro race/freeride sleds where you want a performance as DHish as possible that nornally comes at the price of pedaling performance.
Everything in bikes is a compromise; is great that it can be cheated sometimes.
  • + 4
 @Patrick9-32: I don't think I'd want a 170mm bike to ride "short punchy climbs and descents". This type of bike will feel like a pig on that terrain.
  • + 1
 @dthomp325: When the climbs are short and tough that means the descents are short, steep and fun though. This is probably not the bike I would choose if I was gonna get a YT, the Longer leg Jeffsy would suit me better but it would be a choice. I rarely feel over biked on my Yeti SB6 plus I have a ton of bigger jumpy stuff pretty local to me too which would suit the Capra.
  • + 0
 @Patrick9-32: I'd suggest that one of the key advantages of extra travel is that you can charge down hills/mountains for longer. If your descents are short, you can drop down in travel and go perhaps just as fast all the way the bottom, because you're not being shaken to shit by a relentless 1000m altitude drop and you can rest your DH muscles on the next climb. If you take the argument to its logical conclusion, a decent geo hardtail will easily keep up with a FS on terrain that is merely undulating. At what point do you need as much travel as EWS will offer? And all that ignores the existence of remotes and back pain...
  • + 1
 @Patrick9-32: Well did you see the Capra? It is super easy even on the trail to flip the switch. Dead easy....
  • + 1
 @BenPea: Taking your argument to its logical conclusion, Rampage runs are only 30-50 seconds, they should be on fully rigid bikes as there is no time to get fatigued, why even bother with front suspension? Suspension is about control, not fatigue.

Again, the hills are short but steep and rough, not undulating or smooth.
  • + 1
 @Patrick9-32: I'm talking about the difference between 160/170 and 130/140 for aggressive cross country on small hills, not the diff between 220 and 0 for 50 foot hucks in the desert... It's about the compromise between the ups and downs for someone who's allergic to flipping a switch.
  • + 3
 Hot damn. That would be an awesome 29er. Too bad I'm tired of spending so much money on bikes.
  • + 4
 No 26” frame only option? Wtf?
  • - 2
 NO 26", NO SALE.
  • - 3
 i'll ride 26 til i die, guess i'll be stuck with old frames forever since the mtb industry decided 26 is out and big sloppy wheels are in
  • + 5
 ...ini the benninging
  • + 2
 @ntns just because it has 511 percent range doesn't make it more useful. Range only matters on both ends of the cassette on a mtbike.
  • + 1
 The Capra AL is listed at $2499 USD on the American site which is worth $3150 CAD. On the Canadian site it's $3349 CAD.
What do I get for spending an extra $200 CAD...it looks like the same bike.
  • + 1
 Maybe it is a difference in importing fees or taxes?
  • + 1
 @bmxdougherty: You are correct, sir! I Did some more research. Certain things about Canada don't make much sense to me, such as the 13.5% import duty on complete bicycles, even though there is only one non boutique bike manufacturer in the whole country (Devinci) and they are on record saying they do not approve of the higher import duty introduced as a blanket tariff in 2013.
Yet another hidden tax, I suppose.
Makes about as much sense as the air condition tax applied to new vehicles (yes, there is a tax if your car has air conditioning here.)
  • + 3
 I am buying a YT as my next bike. This company is doing amazing things and I fully support them. Sorry norco >
  • + 1
 Really cool bikes ~ did I tell you I got a wicked bad blatter infection while on my way to the moon... seems I got some bad cool aide or somethin... Hey ~ let's all just ride bikes! and beer, maybe drink some beer Big Grin
  • + 3
 At least three other publications say that after riding them back to back, they like the 27.5 more. Sensible people.
  • + 1
 Can you state which ones said that?
  • + 1
 @headshot: I read some of those same reviews and found it interesting. The Capra 27.5 was great and did everything right while the 29 was pretty good, but still not as good as the 27.5 model.
Just the opposite of the Jeffsy. Reviews stated the 27.5 was ok, so-so while the Jeffsy 29 was absolutely fantastic.
Intriguing.
  • + 1
 @Snowsed341: Vital, MBR, Bike Magazine.
  • + 1
 And Dirt Mag..
  • + 1
 MTB-News.de has an informative review also.
  • + 2
 Yeah but they're all first impressions only. Which probably has more to do with how much adaptation it took from the last bike you were riding than with the actual merits of each version. So Mike Kazimer has been riding lots of 29ers and reached for the 29, the vital has been riding lots of 27.5 and prefered the 27.5. if you want to compare the 2, wait for full reviews
  • + 1
 @beast-from-the-east: Good point. Have to wait for some more in depth and long term reviews. Or ride them myself.
  • + 1
 @headshot: I did not get that from any of the reviews that you mentioned. They basically said that the 29 version is more trail friendly. The 27.5 is more flickable and Bike Park ready. Basically stating what we all know... More to do with the wheel sizes than the actual performance.

The 29er will be faster in a straight line, climb better and faster. The 27.5 will be more flickable fun and poppy.

I don't need a review to tell me that, that is just common sense.

If you ride enough bikes you know this.

I have owned and ridden extensively the following bikes:

Evil Insurgent
Evil Wreckoning
Yeti SB5.5
Pivot Switchblade
Pivot M5.5

The wheel sizes have traits no matter the size. I don't put much stock into reviews or first takes. I ride the bikes and then form an opinion based on what I feel.
  • + 1
 @Snowsed341: Sounds like you are overqualified. Let me list what I have ridden over the years and for how long... Okay I won't bother, This isn't a dick swinging contest is it? Okay, buy a 29er version then. You took away what you wanted to read BTW. At least one of the first ride reviews says that the 27.5 would be the one they would race, not the 29er.
  • + 1
 @headshot: So now were all riding these bikes to race. I am only using the bikes as a barometer of my experience with modern 29ers. I don't put much stock in reviews as most bike websites have a hidden agenda anyway.

How about this, when i get my new Capra I will let you know how awesome it is!!!!
  • + 1
 @Snowsed341: Please do. I'll be looking out for a deal on the 27.5 down the line - we can compare notes :-)
  • + 4
 Capra VS Torque Shootout would be interesting.
  • + 2
 this might be a bit of a stretch, but if any of you have seen the red trek slash in person, that red is absolutely beautiful, maybe this CF Pro red will also be amazing
  • + 4
 Seat tube looks slacker then head angle? Must be a illusion
  • + 2
 According to the website the XXL has a four thousand five hundred milometer reach. 4500!!!??? That's some reach....
  • + 3
 Holy wheelbase Batman. We got a long one here. Mini-DH
  • + 1
 i feel its only a minimal change not slack enough compared to other more aggressive bikes out there.. but the travel options is pretty cool.
  • + 0
 Waaaay to much orange!
Why designers dont oay attention to the colors of the year.
2018 is ultra violet wh8ch is sick, especially when matched with black or silver...matte/gloss combos
  • + 4
 WTF with the drivetrain?
  • + 24
 More range than SRAM's eagle, at 511%.
  • + 2
 All the 2018s have this
  • + 8
 I'm guessing they didn't feel like having to go all Eagle as enforced by SRAM for OEM bikes. So they went no Eagle instead...
  • + 7
 @ntns: Fact = downvote? I love 2018
  • - 4
flag ShailyCR (Feb 8, 2018 at 3:33) (Below Threshold)
 @ntns: less durability and less compatible. FACT
  • + 5
 @ShailyCR: I don't know about durability but it hours on a xd driver so it's as compatible as any other sram 11 speed cassette. Also, due to the dual body construction of the e thirteen cassette you can change individual sections as they wear out rather than the whole cassette. This should reduce cost in the long run.
  • + 7
 @ShailyCR: why is it less durable? or even less compatible? need some evidence to back up your "FACT"
  • + 2
 @ntns: Perfect for my asthma, thanks !
  • + 2
 @maglor: Durability is easy: more teeth to engage simultaneously = less wear on any single tooth because the load is spread and if the chain has to bend less for a 10 instead of a 9 tooth gear it will also last longer.

Don't know what @ShailyCR meant with less compatible tho.
  • - 3
 @Kamba6: seen a lot of people coming in to the shop with this cassette and simply the companies that make derailleurs don't plan for the derailleurs to work with those cassettes and a lot of times it takes them to their maximum limit. My proof is only my experience as a mechanic
Im not nay saying about E13 I think its a good compromise but ITS STILL A COMPROMISE
I think you can salp on an Eagle GX and b happy buts it's not cool, and rebellious enough for the super special cool kids.
  • + 5
 @ShailyCR: I have no reason to doubt what you're saying is true. The only question I'd ask is how many of those derailleurs were damaged because the owner installed a larger cassette but didn't adjust the chain length? I just find it hard to imagine that a company like e thirteen would launch a product like that and not test for compatibility with derailleurs. Wouldn’t adding a 50 tooth gear extender result in same kind of problems as well?
  • + 2
 @ShailyCR: or light enough.
  • + 3
 @NickBosshard: You are right, but in reality how often do you use the little cog? i have an 11-46 shimano 11 speed and cant remember the last time i used the 11 tooth cog and even when you do due to the high speed the force on it is likely low, when you are putting force through the cassette and chain for long periods you are always in the upper half climbing so the big cogs will always go first so i think a 10 or 9t is almost irrelevant. Also worth noting an eagle 12 speed chain is narrower than an 11 speed chain so the chain on this shimano / e13 setup is probably more durable.
  • + 3
 @ShailyCR: I'm all for the SRAM cassette, but to get Eagle range you need Eagle, the e thirteen cassette, or the OneUp MiniDriver. The OneUp setup only works on DT and Hope hubs, which rules it out for entry-level builds, and Eagle GX requires that you run the boat anchor derailleur and cheap plastic shifter cause it's 12-speed. That leaves the e thirteen cassette. So I see why they did it.

SRAM cassettes are great but the rest of the drivetrain doesn't meet the same standard.
  • + 3
 @ShailyCR: I dunno man, I've been running one for over a year now. I got a prototype to test, and while it might not shift quite a smoothly as an eagle cassette (hard to notice), I've had zero issues with durability, compatibility or reliability. And for reference, I've run the cassette with an x01, box and XT derailleur, just to check compatibility for testing purposes.
  • + 2
 @maglor: Well compared to a Eagle 10-50 cassette you shift everything down a few teeth, so with somewhat equivalent highest and lowest gears your chain will always be engaged with less teeth, also because you need a smaller chainring to achieve those equivalent gears.
The narrower chain doesn't really add to the wear because the place where the wear occurs isn't smaller on a 12 speed chain and you also have one more gear ro spread the wear over time.
  • + 2
 @maglor: This too. I have a 10-50t Shimano setup on my Carbine and the only time i've ever touched that 10t is like one time when I was doing mach chicken on a gravel road out to the parking lot and I thought "hmm I wonder what that 10t feels like...click...ok nope that's way too tall", and that's with a 30t chainring. The 50t is frikin awesome but there is effectively no difference between 9t, 10t, and 11t tall gears because you don't use them on a mountain bike.
  • + 3
 @TheRaven: there is a 25g difference in between the xx1 and the GX
"Boat anchor derailleur"
  • + 1
 @ShailyCR: in addition to the cassette, Eagle = new shifter and derailleur = time and money
  • - 1
 @ShailyCR: Yeah, and the XX1 is a heavy derailleur to begin with.

"Boat anchor" sounds a bit sensational to me too, but it's been pounded into my head by the PB community, who has always told me that Shimano's 80g heavier cassettes are flat out offensive...so naturally, I assume i'm supposed to be pissed that SRAM's top derailleur is 40g heavier than Shimano's. That 40g completely destroys any rear suspension efficiency, you know.
  • + 1
 I would love to know what the reach and stack refer to in the flip chip options. Last time I asked YT about this they claimed that they did not change, which is insanity :-(
  • + 2
 PF92 BB with the 30mm E13 crank spindles look an odd choice I recon. There must be DU(m)B-er solution, right?!
  • + 1
 great depiction of the baphomet and a mock kidnapping/ritualistic torture very akin to a satanic ritual?
Bravo YT industries for showing your allegiance to the beast system
  • + 0
 Hey yt! What if u made a custom water bottle shaped for that empty space above the bottom bracket? Wee bit of velcro and boom! Water bottle. Nice and low in the frame. Cmon meow
  • + 1
 I wonder if production has increased w demand for these awesome bikes. Always sold out on the website doesn’t cut it. Make more bikes please.
  • + 1
 It's unfortunate that they did a 'product launch' with flagships across both 29 and 27 platforms not even available for another 6mo.
  • + 1
 looks like the 29er would work fine with either wheelsize thanks to the flip chip and high bb. dual crown compatibility is also nice.
  • + 2
 Geometry is quite similar as on Nomad 4 if you take 27,5" into consideration.
  • + 3
 PS Would love to see comparison to N4 and Torque.
  • + 1
 The rear shock placement on the nomad seems better. Keep the weight low on the frame. Santa Cruz needs to make a nomad 180 29er. I need my mountain slayer by January 2019 please.
  • + 2
 Looks decent, but the lines used to be more elegant for sure, especially the top tube.
  • + 3
 I don't comment much... but that is a sexy bike!
  • + 3
 That's one sexy bike. Looks so much better imo than the new Canyon Torque.
  • + 2
 Testing in socal and not rding laguna is a bit odd..especially if you want steeps, chunk, and climbing!
  • + 2
 Holy seat tube angle on the 29er...
  • + 1
 YT's website says some frame sizes not available til July 18th, geesh what a wait.
  • + 1
 When you ride a YT Capra, you don't a water bottle holder since your a GOAT!
  • + 2
 for you the earth is flat...for me is clipless Smile
  • - 2
 It never fails to amaze me that companies forgo extras as simple as bottle cage rivnuts or threaded inserts for BB shells on their bikes. These may marginally eat into their profit margins, however its sometimes things as simple is this that sees a buyer spend the extra $$ and opting buy a bike from Transition, Santa Cruz, Intense et al.

No bottle cage mounts (even on the underside of frame) in 2018 - total brainfart.
  • + 2
 Love it, kick ass, stay gnar.
  • + 2
 Nice video!! build for fire road? Wink
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer: Do you happen to know if either the 27.5 or 29 is using a reduced offset fork?
  • + 2
 Damn! I think i need to start saving for a new bike now.
  • + 2
 Goat Vs Goat this Fort Williams!
  • + 2
 Damn, you come to town and don't even send out an invite
  • + 2
 Why did they not go with a flip chip to go from 27.5 - 29er?
  • + 1
 All those bitching about no water bottle. Couldn't you zap strap a cage at the base of the top tube?
  • + 2
 So tired after moving my screen to here that I can't write nothing
  • + 1
 Anyone kno how they get the extra 10mm out of travel on the top model? Longer stroke shock maybe?
  • + 1
 Is it just me, or do these prices in the article not match the prices on the website?
  • + 1
 Are the TRS Race wheelset Carbon? There is no mention of "R" or Carbon on the spec....
  • + 2
 wheels on the PRO RACE models are carbon
  • + 3
 You had me until PF92
  • + 1
 Here is the real question, will we see any of the Mob on the 29er with a dual crown?????
  • + 1
 With 180mm of travel, is it still considered an enduro bike? Isn't it more into bikepark/freeride machine, like Cube Fritz?
  • + 1
 I think it's more of a "my bike" : ) Ride up, jump, drop, huck and repeat. The 180 allows the less skilled like myself stay alive.
  • + 2
 new toy for the masses, time to run off
  • + 2
 no frame only option still.
  • + 1
 Yes this is ridiculous. Give us a frame only option or at least the option to customize what components.
  • + 2
 @Xorrox: at these prices, buy the bike sell the parts, free frame!
  • + 2
 How can a XXL bike have less than 500mm of reach...
  • - 1
 Already confused with this press information - it says 160 or 170 mm of travel for 29er , but then mentions - can’t you imagine running a 180 mm dual crown on the 29er. so can 29er actually accommodate 180mm?
  • + 1
 the current 29er DH forks are 180mm, the frame rear sus is 170mm w/ fox x2 and 160 w/ rockshox and fox dpx2
  • + 2
 160 to 170 is the frame travel, 180 is fork travel.
  • + 1
 Also, the Axle to Crown of dual crown forks, is usually shorter than equivalent single crown forks. So a rule of thumb is, if you're replacing a 170mm single crown for a dual crown one, it needs to be 180mm, in order to keep the same length.
  • + 2
 I need the gore red in the CF Pro Race spec
  • + 2
 That demo Capra is sick lol.
  • + 2
 blood red, gore red, black magic, 3 eyed goat... Any confessions, YT?
  • + 0
 I don't understand why the price is the same in € and in $ while 1 $ = 0.8 € ...
We (European) are f*cked by an European brand! Shit!
  • + 1
 Do like the red and black one. Reminds me of the A-TEAM van
  • + 1
 No water bottle so no interests.
  • + 1
 what's a good alternative to this thing??
  • + 1
 Would like to try the 29er
  • + 1
 Pinkbike's comments section never fails to entertain
  • + 1
 This bike is insane.... i realy like the red CF Pro!
  • + 0
 just sad they don't offer a frameset only. might wait for the new carbon patrol then
  • + 1
 I'm gonna wait for the E version, eat my roost PB hate-comment loosers!
  • + 1
 14kg, doublecrown fork. really? dh lolol wtf are these, disposable bikes?
  • + 1
 Had to do a double-take on the XXL frame option. Thank you, YT!
  • + 1
 There's something about the colours on the base cf model... I like it!
  • + 1
 2016 YT Capra Al Comp 2 was the pinnacle
  • + 1
 Is the 29’er version compatible with 6 fattie tires?
  • + 1
 It would be interesting if anyone tried it.
  • - 2
 This seems to be the delirium of the YT brand, I actually like this a lot more than the old capra, good update, paintjobs could use a better update. I still prefer my Knolly however, too sexy of a bike
  • + 1
 The Knolly is more DH with the long shock+ dc crown
And the purple paint of the Deli is just wow
  • + 1
 Agreed, definitely enters freerider territory now. Probably necessary, as JEffsy also offers 160 mil travel.

Honestly not pleased by the less progressive rear suspension. Got the old model with a coil shock and boy, does that rear end feel good ;-) Perhaps the new design will be more suited for air shocks, and that doesnt make it a winner in my book.
  • + 1
 @NotNamed: Knolly can be 170 rear with 180 or can be 188 with 180 or 200. The headtube angle can be 65 or 64.25, it's really a bike you can play around with. Really make it your own
  • + 2
 @AntonOP:
Yeah- Im currently building one with 170mm front and rear- so stoked Smile
  • + 1
 @NotNamed: I'm currently building one as well! Got the longer rear shock to give me 188mm of travel and dual crown forks ATM, I'm installing a 1.5 angle headset to slacken it and in the future when my pockets allow it, I'll put 180 in the front to make a sick fr rig that can climb to my local trails
  • + 1
 @AntonOP: Sick!
Friend of mine also builds up the same frame with DC and 188mm in the back as his new DH/ Park bike

I really cant wait to ride it
  • - 1
 So if I want to run 170mm on the pro race version I have to buy a new shorter shock? No water bottle mount. Presfit. Shit colors. Old Capra looked better.not too impreaaed.
  • + 1
 @Riwajc - I like the colours! I'm with you on the other points though... I still use a water bottle every ride... most people don't though.
  • + 1
 What is the max width for the rear tire?
  • + 1
 Yes, where can we find this info again, ..please..
  • + 1
 @jarsmeier i can hold it down the frame, cheers!
  • + 2
 27,5"? Thanks YT!!!!
  • + 2
 Yes, XXL models!
  • + 0
 don’t suppose it matters much on a bike park bike. but what are the weights
  • + 2
 I dig it
  • + 1
 the pricing is weird, why is it more expensive in europe?
  • + 1
 Another comment suggested that the EU prices include the VAT, while US prices do not include tax yet as it depends on which state it goes it. I don't actually know, though.
  • + 1
 @cgdibble: ah, that makes a sense
  • + 2
 That AL COMP looks nice
  • + 2
 holy goat!
  • + 4
 Greg Minnar is the G.O.A.T!
  • + 0
 @kilazilla: Nah, that dude was too short and had to many tattoo's
  • + 1
 Where abouts in SoCal are those trails?
  • + 1
 I, too, want to know. They pretty often ride trails down here in southern CA, and I want to find them and ride them, too!

I wish they included that information more often, honestly.

The Santa's Village spot is up (or down for you I assume) by lake arrowhead. I rode there for the first time last weekend and it was pretty fun.
  • + 2
 @cgdibble @norcalrider16:

Laguna Beach. Nobody mentions details because the majority of good trails are illegal. They are not signed and you have to pay your dues for awhile until you meet dudes who will show them to you.
  • + 3
 @cgdibble: google 'telonics' they're all based out of the top of the world area and are pretty obvious if you've ever hiked around there. good luck! wish I would've been into bikes when I lived near laguna.
  • + 1
 @moroj82: That will get a guy started for sure but believe me they are not "all" based out of top of the world.
  • + 0
 What do you think maximum tire clearance is on 27.5 / 29? Room for 2.5 / 2.6?
  • + 1
 I think I read there is room for 2.6. But, now I can't find the info again. I gotta get 2.6 (if they fit) right away for the wet days at home!
  • - 1
 The New YT Capra - Everything You Need to Know -> still no room for a water bottle!

Looks stunning though. Will probably get around to getting one at some point.
  • + 1
 Nice bike but honestly I have no use for it.
  • - 2
 I have ridden the capra aluminum version few times, it felt pretty dull. Still better than alu specialized or whatever... same level as commencal, a step below the good stuff.
  • + 1
 what do you consider the good stuff?
  • + 1
 27.5" is dead. Long live 26" and 29ers!
  • + 0
 *insert random goat pun here*
  • + 0
 No mention of 29er fork offset? Sad.
  • + 2
 Offsets are mentioned on each model on the YT website, click the little plus to expand the fork info.
  • + 0
 @gramboh: I’m lazy
  • + 1
 Looks like session
  • + 0
 PF BB on AL & CF & E13 not X01 in XXL with USD WTF
  • + 0
 The most occultic ad campaign ever!
  • - 1
 what happen to direct sale model being cheaper for the customer ?? Thats some expensive bike!
  • - 1
 weight not even mentioned, 180mm travel, no bottle cage...... enduro is dead....long live freeride.
  • + 3
 Look closer
  • + 3
 The weight for each model is listed in a chart.
  • + 2
 Just read.
  • + 0
 no bottle cage mount is dumb
  • + 0
 PLS CHANGE TO THREADED BB
  • - 1
 Soooo...they hired Specializeds graphic designer. Woof.
  • - 1
 .. the reach figures are too long
  • - 1
 Apparently USD has gained in value.
  • + 1
 Usually US $ prices are w/o VAT and € prices with tax.
  • + 1
 @kornbrot: That would make sense.
  • - 3
 Looks rad! And it can take a dual crown fork too? Sweet! Too bad no water bottle holder though. Is there a frame only option?
  • + 10
 Who uses a water bottle on a DC fork bike?!?!? Drink beer.
  • + 4
 @endlessblockades: I'll never understand these people
  • - 2
 Medium Capra AL, available from 10/03/2018...

So just wait for Black Friday?
  • + 5
 It's 10th of March for you folks over the pond...
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