The Pinkbike Podcast: Episode 101 - MTB Tradeshows Explained

Jan 27, 2022
by Mike Levy  
Art by Taj Mihelich

If you've ever found yourself drooling over pictures of exotic bikes and components from some far-flung tradeshow, this is the podcast for you. Episode 101 sees Brian Park, Mike Kazimer, Henry Quinney, and myself explain the ins and outs of tradeshows, why they used to be such a big deal and why that's less so these days, what bike companies do at them, what Pinkbike and other media outlets do at them, and the stuff we love and hate about tradeshows. We also explain the differences between Interbike, Eurobike, Sea Otter, and the Taipei Cycle Show, and talk about some of the fun times we've had traveling around the world for work.

Want to know more? RC's ode to North America's biggest show, Rest in Peace: The Rise & Fall of Interbike, is a good place to start. If the Taipei Cycle Show is more your thing, check out the two videos below to see what the show is like.

Jan 27th, 2022

Giant pretzels, Haribo, dumplings, slot machines, and maybe a few bikes.

Featuring a rotating cast of the editorial team and other guests, the Pinkbike podcast is a weekly update on all the latest stories from around the world of mountain biking, as well as some frank discussion about tech, racing, and everything in between.

Previous Pinkbike Podcasts
Episode 1 - Why Are Bikes So Expensive?
Episode 2 - Where the Hell is the Grim Donut?
Episode 3 - Pond Beaver Tech
Episode 4 - Why is Every Bike a Trail Bike?
Episode 5 - Can You Trust Bike Reviews?
Episode 6 - Over Biked Or Under Biked?
Episode 7 - Wild Project Bikes
Episode 8 - Do We Need an Even Larger Wheel Size?
Episode 9 - Why Are We Doing a Cross-Country Field Test?
Episode 10 - Getting Nerdy About Bike Setup
Episode 11 - Are We Going Racing This Year?
Episode 12 - What's the Future of Bike Shops?
Episode 13 - Are Bikes Too Regular Now?
Episode 14 - What Bikes Would Pinkbike Editors Buy?
Episode 15 - What's Holding Mountain Biking Back?
Episode 16 - Who's Your Mountain Biking Hero?
Episode 17 - XC Field Test Insider
Episode 18 - Electronics on your Mountain Bike: Good or Bad?
Episode 19 - The Hardtail Episode
Episode 20 - MTB Conspiracy Theories
Episode 21 - Stuff We Were Wrong About
Episode 22 - Does Your Riding Style Match Your Personality?
Episode 23 - Grim Donut 2 is Live!
Episode 24 - Why Even Buy a DH Bike?
Episode 25 - Fall Field Test Preview
Episode 26 - The Three Most Important Mountain Bikes
Episode 27 - The World Champs Special
Episode 28 - All About Women's Bikes
Episode 29 - Freeride or Die
Episode 30 - Would You Rather?
Episode 31 - Wet Weather Riding Tips & Tricks
Episode 32 - What Needs to Change in the Bike Industry?
Episode 33 - Behind the Scenes at Pinkbike Academy
Episode 34 - Grilling Levy About Field Test Trail Bikes (and His Bonspiel)
Episode 35 - Story Time - Stranger Than Fiction
Episode 36 - Grilling Kazimer about Field Test Enduro Bikes
Episode 37 - The 2020 Privateer Season with Ben Cathro
Episode 38 - Editors Defend Their 2020 Best-Of Picks
Episode 39 - Predicting the Future of Mountain Biking
Episode 40 - The Pinkbike Awards!
Episode 41 - Racing Rumours and Team Changes
Episode 42 - Mountain Biking's Guilty Pleasures
Episode 43 - Dangerholm's Wildest Custom Mountain Bikes
Episode 44 - Mountain Bike Suspension Decoded
Episode 45 - What Makes a Good Riding Buddy
Episode 46 - The RockShox Zeb vs Fox 38 Deep Dive
Episode 47 - High Pivot Bikes: The Good, The Bad, and The Why?
Episode 48 - Rides That Went Horribly Wrong... & Why That Made Them So Good
Episode 49 - What's the Best DH Bike?
Episode 50 - Are Bikes Actually Getting Less Expensive? (Value Bike Field Test Preview)
Episode 51 - Should MTB Media Post Spy Shots?
Episode 52 - Our Most Embarrassing MTB Moments
Episode 53 - Should Climbers Still Have the Right of Way?
Episode 54 - Best and Worst MTB Product Marketing
Episode 55 - Big Dumb Rides & Staying Motivated
Episode 56 - What Were the Most Important Inventions in Mountain Biking?
Episode 57 - What Were the Best (and Worst) Trends in Mountain Biking?
Episode 58 - Debunking Mountain Biking's Biggest Myths
Episode 59 - Value Bike Field Trip Surprises & Spoilers
Episode 60 - What Kind of Mountain Biker Do You Want to Be?
Episode 61 - Athlete Pay, Lycra, Equality and More from the State of the Sport Survey
Episode 62 - Editor Preferences and Why They Matter
Episode 63 - Our Best (And Worst) Bike Buying Advice
Episode 64 - Who's On Your MTB Mount Rushmore?
Episode 65 - The Hardtail Episode
Episode 66 - The Best and Worst of Repairing Bikes
Episode 67 - The Story of Mountain Biking's Most Interesting Man: Richard Cunningham
Episode 68 - Who Are Mountain Biking's Unsung Heroes?
Episode 69 - The Good, Bad, and Strange Bikes We've Owned - Part 1
Episode 70 - The Good, Bad, and Strange Bikes We've Owned - Part 2
Episode 71 - The Story of Mountain Biking's Most Interesting Man: Richard Cunningham - A Pinkbike Podcast Special, Part 2
Episode 72 - Hey Outers!
Episode 73 - The Details That Matter... and Some That Shouldn't
Episode 74 - The Best Trails We've Ridden and What Makes Them So Special
Episode 75 - Things MTB Brands Waste Money On
Episode 76 - MTB Originals and Copycats
Episode 77 - Interview with Outside CEO, Robin Thurston
Episode 78 - Modern Geometry Explained
Episode 79 - What's the Future of eMTBs?
Episode 80 - The Best Vehicles for Mountain Bikers
Episode 81 - You've Got Questions, We've (Maybe) Got Answers
Episode 82 - Behind the Scenes at Field Test
Episode 83 - Does Carbon Fiber Belong On Your Mountain Bike?
Episode 84 - Explaining RockShox's Computer Controlled Suspension
Episode 85 - Is the Red Bull Rampage Too Slopestyle?
Episode 86 - Greg Minnaar on the Honda DH Bike, World Cup Racing, and Staying Fast Forever
Episode 87 - How to Love Riding When it's Cold and Wet
Episode 88 - Mountain Biking on a Budget
Episode 89 - The Derailleur Pickle
Episode 90 - Is Supre the Future of Trouble-Free Drivetrains? (with Cedric Eveleigh of Lal Bikes)
Episode 91 - Riding Every Double Black in the Whistler Bike Park with Christina Chappetta
Episode 92 - Does Bike Weight Really Matter?
Episode 93 - Staying Motivated and Overcoming Burnout
Episode 94 - PBA Contestant Tori Wood on Her First Race and Finding the Right Mindset
Episode 95 - Field Test Down-Country Bike Debrief
Episode 96 - PBA Contestant Israel Carrillo on Riding in Mexico and Why It's Not Always About Speed
Episode 97 - Can We Predict the Future of Mountain Biking?
Episode 98 - Field Test Trail Bike Debrief
Episode 99 - New Year, New You?
Episode 100 - Q&A with the PB Editors

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  • 40 0
 I really hope this podcast doesnt destroy the story I have in my head. I picture Levy and Kaz at the trade shows being winned and dined while they receive kick backs from the wheel and axle standards cabal
  • 25 3
 Trade shows are an opportunity for decently compensated middle managers to travel without their families to a place where hookers are easily available. That’s literally it.
  • 4 1
 What does the position rugby players play in have to do with bike trade shows?
  • 1 0 cant have hookers without cocaine.
  • 16 2
 I worked in Venture Capital as an Associate for a while and also in Corporate Development M&A at a fast growing tech company for a while.

We used to talk about these waves of acquisition. A lot of these companies have been on bigger company radars for quite a bit. Often the timing is pretty hard to move that much money. I expect the primary drivers are:

1: Very high public and private sock valuations mean that these acquisitions can take place with company stock, so on paper the valuation looks quite high to an acquired company owner.

2: Bigger companies get better economies of scale, so helps smaller companies with production pressure.

3: Over the past several years, companies have been keeping more cash on hand, meaning companies are looking for more places to take risk. Having lots of cash on hand isn't always a great thing. Investors want you to put it to work possibly.

4: Eventually interest rates will rise (inflation is going up but the federal rate hasn't moved as much as it probably should). This will make debt for companies with revolving or short-term debts suffer a bit more, so they will want to look for more capital to prevent a short-fall. Even employees might have more stability with a larger parent.

5: Doesn't seem like these are distressed asset purchases where the backend will be rationalized (G&A laid off) too much on the possibly optimistic side of things Smile
  • 8 2
 FWIW, I don't expect people give a crap about this stuff....
  • 5 0
 It's not that kind of party.
  • 13 0
 old nerd reminiscing: pre-internet (when the primary source of bike news was magazines, with months old intel), interbike was an amazing experience. heaps of never before seen bikes & wild proto hardware (back when cnc & wild suspension platform experimentalism ran rampant). OG legends everywhere, and unlike these days, more or less all the major players were in attendance - not to mention all the freaky small builder stuff in the convention center peripheries. peak interbike was SUCH a rad scene.
  • 13 0
 Agreed, I don't like going down the old "Those were the good ol' days" route but man, those were the good ol days haha
  • 12 0
 How about a pod of former and current wrenchers for pro's and some of the horror stories close calls and hilarious moments in the pits?
  • 13 0
 Yup, @henryquinney has worked as a WC mechanic and we're going to sit down for a chat in the coming days. He has stories, as you'd expect.
  • 6 0
 @mikelevy: So can we maybe get a pod w/ Henry on shrooms w/ 50 people watching him wrench while giving him advice and how he's effing up? Just thinking out loud...
  • 2 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: Lysergic Acid Diethylamide is going to provide the results you want. Psilocybin just makes a seasoned trip, feel like swimming in water with the underlying connection between the perceptual senses.
  • 6 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: sounds like the perfect plan for our Sea Otter booth.
  • 1 0
 @lehott: Not sure Henry's into that, but we do know he had a run-in neural re-wiring w/ our mycorrhizal buddies so that's all know. Plus I'll take natural over lab-rat hallucinogens any day - but this is Henry's decision.
  • 13 1
 I'm no ebike fan, BUT WORSE THAN ZWIFT (or any other indoor stationary training)?! GTFO!!!

Nice rant though....
  • 17 0
 Right? I'd waaaay rather be outdoors than holed up in some sweaty basement staring at a virtual road.
  • 10 3
 I ride a bicycle 20+ hours a week. Sometimes my roadie, sometimes my 170mm bike, sometimes my XC bike, and all too often a bike on a trainer.

I would rather sit on a trainer and stare at nothing than ride an eBike. And I practice what I preach.
  • 6 6
 @JSTootell: Cool. I've never ridden an ebike, and certainly don't own one, but I'd rather be fat on the couch than a mouse on a wheel.
  • 12 0
 @krka73: I don't mind being a mouse on a wheel when the weather is shitty if it means that I'm a better cyclist when the weather isn't shitty.
  • 7 0
 @mikelevy: I just ride in shitty weather.
  • 9 0
 Outdoors is for poor losers, all my rides are on zwift with an ebike! That's what real mountain bikers do! tehe
  • 2 0
 But seriously, some places actually get cold, really cold... a couple weeks ago I was extremely concerned that I had frostbite on my gentleman sausage after a cold ride. Everything was fine till the last few miles going into a very strong head wind. That's not a joke, unfortunately. Luckily it stopped hurting after rushing home and warming it up in the shower, it still works, all is well. I was so relived. That was an overshare, sorry. Anyways, experiences like this has me once again checking fb and craiglist for cheapo stationary bikes for when it's just brutally cold with windchill. For ref, I'm talking about a day that was 0F temp with a windchill of -30F to -40F before you factor in the bike speed.
  • 3 0
 @mikekazimer: Excuse me that's my wattage cottage you're talking about

(jokes Australians don't need to zwift)
  • 7 0
 @krka73: That's cool that you're super-duper tough and need people to know Wink I've been riding for long enough, and have ridden in enough cold and wet weather, to know that it's better to choose my battles. Also, it was obviously very different when I had a 9-5 job; you gotta take advantage of the time you have available. Nowadays, I can work at night and ride during the day if it's nice out, so I can afford to not feel like I need to be out there regardless of it sleeting down sideways.
  • 3 0
 @mikelevy: well, I’m olde than you, have been riding all my life and I’m probably more broken then you physically (clearly you’re more broken mentally). We can compare medical charts, x-rays and surgeries any time you like. And winters in here NYC are no picnic….

But you’re reframing the question from the podcast. No one asked how you prefer to stay fit over winter. It was simply rate the flowing activities: MTB, Road, Gravel, Ebike & Zwift.

You & Henry rated Zwifting over Ebiking. I’m sure Henry enjoys opening blister packs when he’s run out of non-guided internally routed frames to work on so he can run his brakes the wrong way. I’m not sure what your excuse is, but I’m sure aliens play a part….

To me that would be like rating going to the office to work over going to the strip joint to party. There’s no reconciling that in my mind!
  • 2 0
 @krka73: agreed, I'm pretty sure the Monster has addled his brain on this one.
  • 1 0
 That sort of conviction is rarely seen outside of the Q Anon community.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: If you were still working your 9-5 job would you rethink your opinion on ebikes?
  • 1 0
 @krka73 and @mikelevy you guys should relax. I get this might be a "Donny, you are out of your element." moment where I shouldn't but in and let it roll. However, Christ almighty, its just biking for heaven's sake. This is getting to be like some intense Crypto enthusiast sub-reddit.
  • 2 0
 Right?! The indoor trainer is the worst. I'd rather not ride at all over 'riding' on zwift.
  • 1 0
 @Habaden: Hhhhmm, I don't think so but not sure. I think that if I didn't work in the cycling industry, I'd probably be more focused on racing normal bikes and being fit.
  • 1 0
 Most of my time on the trainer is during my lunch break at work. I get 30 minutes, and that is how I use it. Otherwise, most of my riding is outside.

I don't have to worry about weather, I live in SoCal.

Now that my break is over, I have an air conditioner to repair (in case you thought I just had some cushy desk work at home job).
  • 2 0
 Anything human powerd only is better than ebikes... that is the real conclusion
  • 8 0
 Can we either get Henry to talk louder into the microphone or get some audio work done on the podcast. I’m so tired of having to turn my volume up and down depending on who is talking. He has great things to say but I can never hear him. And then I turn it up and Levy ends up yelling in my ear. It truly is a struggle haha
  • 3 0
 This should be a minimal task if they do any post cleanup whatsoever. It's literally push of a button, so I second this notion.
  • 2 0
 Same complaint from me as well
  • 7 0
 I'm a bit late on this question for you guys. But on the MTB Geo episode you were talking about seat tube angle. Why is steeper better and why are we still trying to decide what the "right" seat tube angle is, when road bikes have been settled on 73 degreed, more or less, for a long time? The pedaling mechanics shouldn't be any different between the two. Is it a function of mountain bikes riding steeper climbs? Is it an attempt to combat longer reaches?
  • 6 0
 Added to the list. It'll be in the next podcast Smile
  • 1 0
 It seems like a lot of bikes are hovering around 77-78 right now. I’d imagine that if you account that your rear suspension is about 30% sagged out, and the front fork is somewhere around 10%. That may be getting the seat tube (effective) angle close to the 73° range.
  • 3 0

Steeper is not better for seat tube angle, unless you ride straight up and straight down.

The rest of the time it will put extra pressure and force on your wrists, if you ride on rolling, moderate pitch terrain.

The new Ibis Exie has a much more relaxed seat tube angle, and that’s a big part of what I really like about it.
  • 1 0
 @Saidrick: Is that still true if two bikes with different seat angles have the saddle and grips in the same positions relative to each other?
  • 2 0
 bit of both, keeps the weight centred and stops the front end lifting which can be a problem when reaches get longer, less weight goes on the front wheel. Climbs are typically steeper on MTB. Wouldn't go back to a slack seat angle on an MTB, currently on 80 Degree effective angle and I think it's just right for the sort of riding I do. perhaps for more trails style riding you would want slacker as other have said it does put pressure on your arms on flatter terrain but I've not found it an issue.
  • 1 0

What Melonhead1145 is correct. I would add that most things on a bike, and in life, are a trade off. Most bike reviews don’t really address these pros and cons, they tend to talk about how good the bike instead of “where” the bike is really good. More specifically: What types trails and more importantly difficulty level. For example if you ride the Norco Range on green or blue trails is will be boring to ride and you will wonder how it won bike of the year. Put it in a ski resort / dh bike park and it’s omg amazingly good to ride. Same bike…
  • 1 0
 @Saidrick: That's great but I still don't understand how a steep seat tube is any worse for your body if you can setup the cockpit identically (which you can, because the designer also gave the bike a longer reach)?
  • 1 0
 @Saidrick: Unless it's something to do with the angle of your legs? Either way, I need a steep seat angle because my legs are long, otherwise I'm hanging out over the rear wheel.
  • 1 1
 @boozed: yes, i think the roadies decision to stick to 73 is due to efficiency and comfort for pedalling. It is different going to a much steeper seat angle in terms of pedaling, but as I said before I wouldn't go back, feel like I can climb anything
  • 1 0

I am also not a fan of super long reach bikes either. The forward riding stance is not the biz for me , at least.

If you are a long legged taller, riding the steeper seat tube makes sense. Cockpit set ups can be identical and a bike can still feel different because of all the other numbers in a bikes geometry. Front center and rear center, stack height, bb drop etc.

Your mileage may vary.
  • 4 0
 I went to Eurobike in 1997, the weekend Princess Diana died. As soon as anyone heard my accent, they did their best to give me their condolences, like I was a representative of the royal family. Awkward. But I did get to chat with Keith Bontrager for half an hour. That was just a few months after Trek bought the Bontrager brand. We discussed the wishbone stays and downtube gussets on the new Trek aluminium hard tails with a certain amount of sarcasm. And I met these nice guys who were just starting Truvativ with cranks and BBs. Plus German beer. And swimming in Bodensee. On balance, it was positive (but I wasn't really working).
  • 4 0
 My best memory from a trade show is meeting Charlie Kelly and Joe Breeze and talking for a bit. It was great to meet those guys...I'll never forget it.
  • 6 0
 What happened to “behind the numbers” articles?
  • 4 0
 Dan Roberts has been busy designing some bikes, but he's got a few on his hit list.
  • 3 0
 @brianpark: Has Dan Roberts by any chance been busy helping Ruben design RAAW's DH race bike?
  • 2 0
 @Muscovir: that'd be my guess.
  • 2 0
 Just watched the (6 item) 2019 Taipei cycle show video- nothing of that seemed to have appeared on the market. The TOR stuff looked promising but the webshop is empty. Is that what Trade Shows are for: You see it there you'll, never see it again?
  • 2 0
 Yup, sometimes. I think another factor is that we definitely want to show you guys the wild, interesting things, especially prototypes, and those things don't always make it to the shelves.
  • 3 1
 Here is a question for a future podcast. We always focus on the One bike that we would choose, but let's face it there are plenty of readers here that have more than one bike. So how about discussing with the panel what 2 bikes they would choose. XC + Enduro, or Trail + aggressive ebike. It could lead to some interesting discussion. This might be a good one to ask when you have a panel consisting of riders from a large cross section of terrain locations.
  • 4 0
 Make that episode about Pros wearing out parts ridiculously quick happen or I will break into PB Headquarters and glue mike bears on every single rim I can find!!!
  • 5 1
 Recording that one tomorrow with Henry. It'll go up next week.
  • 2 0
 I think it would be fun to rehash the future of bike shops. Trek is buying up shops left and right. Specialized is venturing into consumer direct (and will probably start buying shops too if it bodes well for Trek). Will PON join the battle of giants and start forcing shops with Santa Cruz to drop their other lines and pick up GT and Cannondale? Or just start buying up shops too and making their own stores? I feel like big brands have been flirting with this "car dealership" idea. This could also mean any little shop who wants to stay independent will have to go to smaller boutique brands to not be ruled over. Curious to see what you guys think.
  • 2 0
 For an mtb geo episode: should bike manufacturers provide geo numbers in the sag position rather than non-sag? (Or maybe they already do, but I doubt it). Seems like we compare all kinds of geometry values and then sit on a bike which immediately throws them off. Plus each bike would sag into these updated numbers differently (based on kinematic), so comparing the usual non-sag values isn’t exactly apples-to-apples.
  • 1 0
 And if this is being too ‘detailed’, then why do we need to read about a 63.25 head tube angle?
  • 2 0
 @emjaybee: Added to next week's questions Smile
  • 4 0
 I lost my spleen at an Interbike. You don't want to spend a week in a Vegas hospital.
  • 2 0
 It was delicious
  • 1 0
 As someone who worked many trade shows back in the day, the only thing I miss is getting some face to face time with customers and industry friends.. As far as working, it sucks. You're on your feet all day, you hit autopilot on the products, and by day 2, I usually had a bloody nose from being in the AC all day.. The major players pulled out of interbike because of how expensive it was.. I think industry shows are a waste.. Get more stuff where the consumers can be involved. The industry will benefit more from letting the riders see, touch and feel the latest and greatest in person..
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer I’m totally with you on the time limit for Vegas. For me it’s 36 hours. It’s bizarre and fun to start with, but then the constant sound of slot machines gets to me and it’s an instant need to GTFO.
  • 2 0
 Great example of a product I found from a guy at a show (festival) with his own little stand - - came across it at NembaFest in VT and these things are a lifesaver in the sweaty summer !!
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy The podcast has been talking a bunch about eMTB lately, and I am seeing way more of them on the trails. I have a question about trail etiquette with them. Yesterday I was on a single-track climb trail and a pair of e-bikes came flying up behind me and hovered a bike length behind me. Zyuh zyuh zyuh zyuh. If a super fit rider came hauling up behind me, I’d pull over out of respect. But since this was a pretty steep trail, and they hadn’t earned my “respect” by actually having climbing chops, I let them wait and just rode to the right at a wider section of trail for the first, and the second had to wait until I got the overlook I was already planning on stopping at. What is the etiquette for passing and yeilding while climbing, both for human powered bikes and electric bikes?
  • 1 0
 That's a great thing to talk about, add to the list. Years ago I had an e-bike come up behind quickly me on a wide fire road and go to pass me, but I ended up sitting at above max effort while blocking him for a few minutes, weaving back and forth across the road and laughing my ass off. The e-bike rider thought it was funny as well.
  • 1 0
 Just adding my Brett guesses: I have a feeling he’s gonna go a Yoann route and try to get close proximity manufacturers. That makes it tough for a slope style guy to pick bikes given that usually they get pretty niche builds/frames to abuse, but just going off his current vibes and personality. Plus with him testing out all these different suspension platforms, seems like a cool idea… idk
  • 1 0
 @brianpark I recall you saying you have a 24lb Steel Hardcore Hardtail. I finally got around to weighing my bikes. How did you do it? I converted to tubeless XC tires on my rigid single speed and got it down to 26lb. That is aluminum frame, steel fork, BMX cranks, alloy wheels and one cog. So there is no carbon with a small amount of steel in the cranks and fork.

I recently built up an aluminum 26" hardtail and it came out at 31lb.

So what is the trick?
  • 2 2
 Biased look with the Norco Range for bike of the year. It was chosen followed quickly by front page advertisements for the Norco Range, hmmm. Best experimental bike of the year for sure but not best overall bike. Trading pedalling efficiency for downhill performance and is not really an advancement, it's a trade off. Let alone the hanging link and added complexity.
  • 5 0
 Username checks out. I'll ask Kazimer about this in next week's podcast and we'll talk about it.
  • 3 0
 BOTY isn't the single best bike for all people, it's a bike that we loved which also captured the zeitgeist of MTB development for the year. Our awards aren't influenced by anyone's ad spends and the tech team doesn't even know who spends what. But yes it's a subjective take, because it's our bike of the year choice.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: podcast idea/question. preferably for Sara. how to get to world level in xc mtb. everything from equipment to traveling. I would love to hear what she did in her youth to get to that level. Thanks for answering my questions.
  • 3 0
 Podcast idea - @henryquinney and @mikelevy ripping on ebikes without interruption. I could listen to hours of this.
  • 2 0
 Important question(s): When do we get to see the new Grim Donut in action and will it be with the Pinkbike Super Uber Factory Racing Team led by Mr. Cathro?
  • 2 0
 Just a little loveletter to this podcast. I always enjoy listening to @mikelevy and the gang talking about what we all love most: bikes!
  • 2 0
 The moment Henry made the Orange comment about the water bottle and Levy sounded they like cemented their bromance forever had me in stitches!!!
  • 1 0
 I'm thinking to stop wearing a chamois all together who's with me ? Do we really need them ? Pro's and Con's ? What do you think ? Please discuss your thoughts and report.
  • 1 0
 Trade shows are fun the first few times. After that you are looking for excuses to head back to your room early to avoid the inevitable headache the next morning.
  • 2 0
 i don't know about cycling, but in the Food space trade shows are little more than a cash grab on part of the "association" that is organizing the show. You have to be there to show presence, but deals aren't being done. Booths are usually staffed with hired demonstrators or outside sales reps who are just there to build a lead list.

Oh, an s wag, that's why most people go to shows isn't it? Or to go spend some of marketing's budget at the bar "entertaining" existing customers or industry buds.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark You can also ask Robin to chime in Smile They would probably understand that part of the market a bit better than me.
  • 3 0
 Henry’s rant at around the 27min mark- brilliant!!
  • 4 0
 Henry ‘Abe Simpson’ Quinney
  • 1 0
 One question you now have to chat about on the next podcast is the injection of Beta Pay-Wall articles into the PB front page.
  • 2 0
 Yup, for sure! We've already recorded tomorrow's episode, so it'll be on next week's podcast.
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy: Thanks!

I have just invested in a 10kg bag of popcorn and a new Oodie so I can sit back and snack in ultimate comfort while reading the next week of comments.
  • 1 0
 Why is everyone pronouncing brake lever so wrong. It is a lever and not a leaver?
  • 1 0
 Las Vegas is getting a new bike park built up at MT. Charleston. Check out Lee Canyon FB page.
  • 1 3
 How many times does Henry's nuts get done in this week? Is that your English line for us north americans at the moment? On a plus note, thank god you turned his mic down, cause he would come through yelling on previous episodes, someone should do an audio check before posting please and thanks?
  • 1 0
 @henryquinney needs his own podcast where he just rips on e-bikes with his wacky british phrases
  • 1 0
 i guess it s not really a trade show, but are you guys coming to the sedona festival? @mikekazimer @mikelevy
  • 1 0
 Some of us will be in Tuscon around that time, but there will be a PB / Beta crew at the Sedona festival as well.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy and @henryquinney, fatbike in the snow or ebike on fun trails? I take the fatbike!
  • 1 0
 Fatty for sure, even on dry normal trails.
  • 2 1
 Will the podcast be making a return to Acast any time soon?
  • 1 0
 errr what's that? We messed some settings up before Christmas and I thought I fixed 'em all.
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 @brianpark: on Acast the episodes stopped arriving at the same time as other platforms (ep 96?) but now the whole show is missing, the podcast itself doesn't show up on a search of the platform, let alone individual episodes.
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 My flight gets delayed so now i get to listen to this and ep 100!
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 Haven't listened yet, but this is the content I want more of
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 Can Pinkbike review Poc's Mantle Thermal Hoodie?
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 Is a MOD like someone worth special powers or dies it mean you’re on the payroll?

Asking fir a friend …

Seriously, this place has really gotten wierd, like off the rails.

It seems like Pinkbike is lost.
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 errr I think the mod tag is a holdover from back in the day permissions. I should probably update the about section for all the people that work here now.

And this place has always been off the rails weird. Smile
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 got to love Henry and Levy ebike urticaria!
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 Another great episode.
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