The Pinkbike Podcast: Episode 23 - Grim Donut 2 is Live!

Sep 17, 2020
by Mike Levy  
Art by Taj Mihelich


Better late than never, right? The second chapter of the Grim Donut was just released and, well, it didn't really go how we expected. The Donut's conception was equal parts tongue-in-cheek and genuine curiosity, but we never thought it'd actually work. Fine, it doesn't work everywhere, but if you watched the video, you'll know that it certainly seems to work well when pointed down some steep, fast terrain. In timed testing, ex-EWS racer and full-time maniac Yoann Barelli went six-seconds quicker on the Donut over just two-minutes; that's a massive improvement in this world. Oh, and that was also his first time on the bike. And the chain jammed off halfway down...

The Donut being unexpectedly fast meant that the second video had to change course a bit. And now that our joke of a bike has shown a bit of promise, we should probably start thinking about an updated prototype.

Episode 23 is all things Grim Donut; we chat about filming, what we expected to happen and what actually happened, and our EWS dreams with V2 of the Donut.

Available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Play, or wherever else you get your podcasts.



THE PINKBIKE PODCAST // EPISODE 23 - GRIM DONUT 2 IS LIVE!
Sept 17th, 2020

Yeah, but why isn't part 3 done yet?

Hosted by Mike Levy (usually) and featuring a rotating cast of the editorial team and other guests, the Pinkbike Podcast is a weekly update on all the latest stories from around the world of mountain biking, as well as some frank discussion about tech, racing, and everything in between.

Previous Pinkbike Podcasts
Episode 1 - Why Are Bikes So Expensive?
Episode 2 - Where the Hell is the Grim Donut?
Episode 3 - Pond Beaver Tech
Episode 4 - Why is Every Bike a Trail Bike?
Episode 5 - Can You Trust Bike Reviews?
Episode 6 - Over Biked Or Under Biked?
Episode 7 - Wild Project Bikes
Episode 8 - Do We Need an Even Larger Wheel Size?
Episode 9 - Why Are We Doing a Cross-Country Field Test?
Episode 10 - Getting Nerdy About Bike Setup
Episode 11 - Are We Going Racing This Year?
Episode 12 - What's the Future of Bike Shops?
Episode 13 - Are Bikes Too Regular Now?
Episode 14 - What Bikes Would Pinkbike Editors Buy?
Episode 15 - What's Holding Mountain Biking Back?
Episode 16 - Who's Your Mountain Biking Hero?
Episode 17 - XC Field Test Insider
Episode 18 - Electronics on your Mountain Bike: Good or Bad?
Episode 19 - The Hardtail Episode
Episode 20 - MTB Conspiracy Theories
Episode 21 - Stuff We Were Wrong About
Episode 22 - Does Your Riding Style Match Your Personality?


163 Comments

  • 54 0
 Grim Donut release and Canyon CEO Roman Arnold steps down on the same day.....coincidence or part of Pinkbikes master plan???
  • 15 0
 Hhmmmm...
  • 10 0
 Sometimes a CEO sees the writing on the wall. Better go now before @mikelevy takes that thing to market. ;-)
  • 5 19
flag SlodownU (Sep 17, 2020 at 19:28) (Below Threshold)
 @noplacelikeloam: It’s been on the market for a long time. Ever hear of a guy called Chris Porter and a company called Geometron? Of course you have, and except for the head angle, they’ve already been making this bike for a very long time.
  • 24 5
 @SlodownU: Yeah I mean other than a 5.3° slacker head-tube angle, 4.7° steeper seat-tube angle, and a significantly lower BB... it's totally the same.
  • 6 19
flag SlodownU (Sep 17, 2020 at 20:17) (Below Threshold)
 @brianpark: You miss the point entirely, as expected. Geometron makes an actually usable version of the donut, you know, a bike whose steerer won’t snap from the leverage of 57degree fork. The Geometron guys have been touting this long-slack thing for years.
  • 4 0
 @brianpark: The bike built as an over the top piss-take on the ideas that Mondraker and Geometron have been implementing for over ten years is actually quite good? Maybe a comparison test with those bikes would be quite informative?
  • 9 1
 @mikelevy: The time has come for an “Unlimited / Prototype” class in DH and Enduro racing. They could hold the regular DH race on Saturday, then the Unlimited / Prototype race on Sunday. Riders would love it (as would fans, spectators, Pinkbike nuts, and television audiences), innovation would flourish, new companies would be setup in North America, and there would be big upsets, big excitement, big bikes, big head angles, and maybe even big Fro-rider hair. Just imagine a Cannondale Fulcrum 3 vs the Grim DHonut vs the Intense M-Unlimited-Pro(totype). Riders, designers, teams, and entrepreneurs could test new exotic tire concepts, optimized frame and bar flex, 32” front wheels, dual-rotor carbon/ceramic front brakes, etc. Maybe just 3-5 major events throughout the year.

While at it, maybe include 2-3 “vintage” 26” DH bike events (just imagine a Cannondale Fulcrum 1 vs Gwin’s Yeti vs an Intense M1). Likewise, it might be interesting to introduce a “homologation” class for certain EWS or DH series or events (either at the top pro level or maybe at an amateur level). This could ensure that racers are on bikes that manufacturers can sell, that bikes might be affordable for certain racers (say a $2500 or $3500 homologation class), that racers are on the same bike for all of the events, or to create a range of specifications for the bikes to prevent track-specific / race-only bikes.

I also imagine that an affordable “spec” class could increase mountain biking and racing access to a wider range of people — just imagine a “$1K” spec class...bikes available in 5 sizes that can be raced in Enduro, XC, and Dual Slalom “1K” spec events. And likewise, a $1K DH bike spec — likely also 5 standardized sizes with standardized geometry, aluminum frame, durable wheels, standardized tire specs and weights, and components and designs that are proven, durable, easy and cheap to maintain, not too crazy heavy, and also easy to “try out” or rent.

Anyhow, I’m seriously hoping that MTB racing and MTB industry will consider an Unlimited / Prototype class for the top pro level. Maybe along with a homologation class, a vintage class (for fun), and a 1K spec class to make MTB racing more accessible for a wider range of people (of course including students and new riders, worldwide).

And lastly, maybe Pinkbike could sponsor a university “Formula SAE” style bike design / build / race competition. Just imagine what kind of amazing and wild stuff we’d see!
  • 9 2
 @SlodownU: Someone missed the point but I don't think it was @brianpark.
  • 35 1
 Unpopular opinion:

The AWD Toyota Sienna is the best mountain biking vehicle out there. You can shuttle, go long distance, sleep in it, haul with it, and it’s a Toyota
  • 5 1
 Looked into a Sienna a few years back, but didn't have storage for a spare tire (not even the little spares). Do newer models now come with a spare? That was dealbreaker for me. Sort of the equivalent of a water bottle cage. 100% serious.
  • 5 2
 @JDFF: the spare tire goes under the car, same as on the 4runner
  • 8 0
 Not sure why we're on this topic, but cheers. My only beef with minivans in this arena is the low clearance. Otherwise, yes, they're pretty sweet.
  • 3 0
 @BiNARYBiKE: there are lift kits for the sienna, allowing larger tires and more clearance. Very popular in SLC as family ski-hill mobiles, I'm told. If I still lived in Denver, I'd be very tempted.
  • 2 2
 Tempting to agree but Siennas have windows which reduce privacy (limo tints attract attention) and they’re big. Transit Connect or Promaster City vans are more nondescript, easier to park, can be swept clean, are available as panel vans, but are not “Toyota reliable”, FWD only, and can’t tow.

I’d say a Ram Grand Caravan CV (panel van minivan) would be the best compromise and they’re even cheaper.
  • 2 0
 BINGO
  • 3 0
 Hell yes!
  • 6 2
 I like the AWD Tercels or Astro vans. My vote goes to the Mitsubishi Delica - had one for 11 years and it was PERFECT. Slow, but perfect.
  • 1 0
 @onlyDH: i think it was the early model Siennas, right aftet they stopped making Previas, that didn't come witj spares. Must of corrected the issue on newer models, thank goodness!
  • 4 0
 @onlyDH: Looked into it a bit more, I'm not making it up. Looks like in 2012 they were still coming without spares and "run flat tires", which limits tire choice and a bad solution to a dumb design. Check out the link:

community.cartalk.com/t/no-more-run-flats/85107

I'm definitely going to look into a newer Sienna now, lift it slightly and throw on some BFG AT's. Remove all back seats and build bed/storage. Cut out foam inserts for interior window insulation (while parked/sleeping). (Used to have a sweet Previa like that)
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: As someone who lives in the States, but has lived in B.C., I agree Delicas are pretty sweet. Current problem #6,841 for us down south is that they have to be 20+ years old for us to import them. (They don't sell them new down here.) So the ones that get imported out of Canada are "high maintenance". Love seeing the newer ones up north though!
  • 2 0
 @JDFF: I hate that rule. I had an L300, not an L400, and loved it so much. I sold it to a guy in Bellingham, but no idea where it is now. It was over 20 years old at that point.
  • 1 0
 @JDFF: No spare would be a non starter for me too.

That said, I'd still rather have a full size van or truck. Or, in my case, hopefully getting insurance on my ambulance today!
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: and now Mini is Damn FAAAAST
  • 1 0
 @JDFF: for sure. The newer ones are awesome. I had a 2002 4Runner up until 2014. Now it’s soccer mom life minus the kids and not being a mom.

If I was doing nothing but driving up and down mountains and carrying bikes and a couple of people, a dodge d100 flatbed would be my go to.
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy: Do you ever wish you had something more stealthy than the mini these days? Kinda stands out these days. Probably draws lots of attention at Timmy Ho's?
  • 3 0
 I was pretty psyched about the new hybrid AWD Sienna, great gas mileage plus all the points you mention. BUT apparently they've eliminated easy removal of middle seats due to fancy new air bags built into the headrests. So that's a bummer! Curious how hard it actually is to get those things out...
  • 2 0
 @JDFF: It'll be black soon!
  • 1 0
 @Drew-O: oh, good to know!
  • 1 1
 @onlyDH: AWD version, no space for a tire. Run flats only.

I agree better than a Taco as long as no real off road as the ground clearance sucks especially with a hitch.
  • 1 0
 @fabwizard: Even on new Siennas? As in 2018 or newer? AWD models and space for spare tire, specifically????
  • 3 0
 @mikelevy: No Mike, don't!
My Mini is the same colour, don't break up the band!
  • 4 0
 The bouncing back and forth between cool Minis and boring Minivans is making me seasick.
  • 3 0
 @ICKYBOD: Sounds like a MTBer "vehicle" choice podcast is in order......
  • 1 0
 I have a 2007 Honda Oddysey now and I built 2 small frames with storage inside then we just put a panel in between the 2 frames I built and we can sleep inside.

Back on the hitch we installed a North Shore rack of 4 and it’s perfect for our 2 dirtiumpers and 2 enduro bikes .

Thanks
  • 2 0
 @JDFF: I've owned two Siennas ('05 and '06) and concur that they are awesome adventure vehicles. Best turning radius of any car I've ever had, and the AWD one was also the best vehicle in the snow I've ever had (including several 4x4 trucks, a bunch of Subarus, etc.) The third row folds totally flat and the second row seats tumble forward, so even without removing anything you can fit a full-sized mattress on the floor for comfy sleeping, or fit 4 people and 4 bikes inside the van. It's true that the there is no spare tire on the AWD models, but you can just throw one in the back, on the roof rack, or on a hitch mount if you want to. Not ideal, but not terrible. And I feel sorry for the commenters who think you need a lifted truck to drive on forest service roads. 6-7" of clearance is plenty if you're careful! Finally, Sienna's are invisible to cops. They don't even look at you.
  • 1 0
 @VtVolk: We have a 2011 and ground clearance is a bit less, then adding the hitch makes it much worse. Add some weight and you are down to 5inch clearance. Our hitch regularly bottoms out on large speed bumps if loaded and i forget.

That being said ultra reliable.

We carried a spare tire for years inside and finally gave up. We have run flats so WTF.

Cops here don't ignore as speeding soccer moms regularly get tagged. Don't ask me how many tickets the wife has got )-:
  • 20 0
 You need to get Yoann to be permanent adjunct staff. He and Levy make a good team up. Yoann's energy is infectious.
  • 20 0
 Hopefully Yoann and I will do more together in the future Smile
  • 4 0
 @mikelevy: Yoann, Nino and ???

Kiss, marry, murder

Go
  • 4 0
 @toad321: To quote WOPR, "Strange game. The only way to win is not to play."
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: I hope so, you two giggling maniacally was a highlight.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy:
Any sort of giggling should be encouraged! Love the video. I want to see Yoann on a pole or geometron. Commencal probably don't though.
  • 1 0
 @ICKYBOD: I suddenly feel old.

Again
  • 12 0
 Looks like the Grim Donut is already influencing the 2021 medium sized Norco Optic's head tube angle.
35 degrees is pretty slack.
www.norco.com/bikes/2021/mountain/trail/optic/optic-c3
(In case they fix the type-o):
imgur.com/JFdrMtM
  • 10 0
 Please compare the donut to a full on DH rig as well! Enduro bikes are a compromise between ascending and descending, it would be interesting to see how it compares to a purpose built DH rig!
  • 5 0
 Now that you mention it, a 203mm fork on this bike will raise the BB a little. And if 57 degrees of HA is good, 56 might be even better.
  • 1 0
 But the comparison would be interesting, not just against the Donut, but also against the enduro bike.
  • 1 0
 I'm curious about this as well. Although a pedalable DH bike seems more and more like a good option for EWS too!
  • 1 0
 Or achieve it with a 32" wheel up front and a 27.5" rear
  • 7 0
 Have you ever considered putting a skid plate on the BB shell of the grim Donut like they have on racing trucks? It might help prevent it being hung up on the rough stuff.
  • 15 0
 I tiny 10" wheel for when we hit bottom? That way the bike would keep rolling!
  • 4 0
 I think it's Levy's mini that needs a skid plate.
  • 4 0
 @geephlow: You're not wrong...
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: a crank center mounted inline skate wheel!
  • 6 0
 First Gwin at Leogang, and now Barelli on the Donut... all this tells me is that a chain makes you slower.
  • 6 0
 The Pinkbike Podcast is quickly turning into one of my favorite weekly podcasts! Keep up the good work!
  • 3 0
 Was it mainly faster because of the long chain stays and coil shock or the low bb and slack head angle. Maybe make an adjustable mule and get testing.. seems like the industry still has a fair bit of evolution ahead of it.
  • 1 0
 i think a long ass reach (with a slack headangle) does wonders for flat out stability. i've a 2011 V10 in medium and while flickable i'd like if it were a size bigger, would be more stable and look nicer
  • 2 0
 I'd put most of the speed down to the length and lowness of the bike. And the super active suspension = traction for days.
  • 2 1
 @mikelevy: not to mention the guy riding it....
  • 3 0
 0 degree head angle. Just a horizontal tube with hubs at either end, and of course, the widest bars your can find. I look forward to hitting descents with my belly scraping the ground instead of the bottom bracket.
  • 4 0
 The recumbant donut
  • 3 0
 Switch infinity fork
  • 2 0
 YB is such a champ.. seems like one of the coolest riders out there.

And commencal.. it was him who had me notice your new Meta AM 29 of which I've got an ALC bike ordered (bit nicer than the signature series I think which are pretty banging anyway)
  • 2 0
 I would love to see an article or hear in the podcast about modern kids bikes. Apparently there are more and more bikes are coming out with modern geometry, but it is hard to find a good list about these new offerings. Any recommendations are also welcome, especially on bikes, which are available in Europe. I am currently looking for a 24 incs bike for my bigger son.
  • 2 0
 Why do chainstays and seat tube angles have to be static across the size range? Isn't the fact that these numbers shrink and then expand again is because different people need different things?
  • 1 0
 Some brands vary those numbers - seat angles get steeper and rear centers get longer as the bikes get bigger. Norco and others.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy If the geo of the grim donut only made it truly excel where flat out speed mattered, if we ignored the insanely steep seat tube angle and raised the bb just a hair. Wouldn’t this make for the fastest DH race bike? Maybe Gwin will be on board if you tell him you’ve made a DH bike so fast he could win all the world cup races. Maybe even with no chain and no rear tire in the same run.
  • 7 0
 Yes! Next version: no seat tube at all and a dual-crown fork!
  • 1 0
 the dream! Enduro is just DH on singlecrowns anyway. Might as well go the distance .
  • 4 0
 I was really, really hoping for an entire episode of the PB podcast about the Grim Donut. Well done Levy!
  • 1 0
 For the grim bicycles company. Will the first ebike be the eclair? The bear claw?

Obviously the longer and slacker DH bike will be the Grim Long John.

Down country bike, Grim Jelly Donut?

I need to hear ideas. This company could have the best names in the industry.
  • 8 0
 The Grim Timbit - kids bike (roughly the same geo as most XL enduro bikes from 2021)
The Grim Strudel - eMTB (550mm CSL, 550mm reach)
The Grim Croissant - high pivot DH bike (45° HTA, 90° STA)
The Grim Danish - the fixie (90° HTA, 30mm bars)

...I'm hungry
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: The Grim Long Black - 57° HTA, Single speed hardtail.
  • 3 0
 @brianpark: The next one should be called The Bleak Bagel.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: you missed the most obvious one. Two wheels —> two holes —> grim pretzel
  • 1 0
 @brianpark:
The Grim Croissant needs to be a cx bike. Might require some UCI regulation changes for geo, though.
  • 3 0
 I didn't expect to get homework. I will take my new bike and my old bike out to test the twisty bits of my local trails this weekend and report back here.
  • 3 0
 It just occurred to me that your name is vapid - oscar, not vapeedo-scar. Whoops.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: don't worry about it. Not my real name.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark @mikelevy @mikekazimer
Homework complete.

The bikes:
1) 2017 Breezer Storm shoddily converted to 1x8 trail bike. No dropper. 71deg head angle with SR Suntour XCT fork. Think cheapest bike in LBS.
2) 201X Titus El Viajero Gravity Trail. Dropper. 65deg head angle with SR Suntour Auron fork and Duair RC shock. Put together with best cheap NOS parts I could find.

The technical trail features.
1) Switchbacks: first left then right with about 20 yards between them. Both are about 8 ft diameter.
2) Root ball turn: short climb leading up to a hard left around a tree followed by some rocks and a tree to avoid.
  • 1 0
 Prior to being assigned my homework, on my last ride on bike 2, I made none of these features. Sliding off the switchbacks and stalling on the root ball.

First off I checked my suspension. Bike 2 fork was too soft and was diving. Added 10 PSI.

I took bike 1 out first. First stop: climb switchbacks - did not get either. Second stop: descending switchbacks - no problem. Repeat several times - same result. Third stop: root ball - hit with a little speed and was no problem. I thought it was a real possibility I would crash or chicken out on root ball because it was so awkward and chunky. Booked it back to the car because I was paranoid that bike 2 would be stolen.

Bike 2. Hit root ball first after descending trail that i had to walk down on bike 1. Root ball worked but line was not as good. Then enjoyed a ride until looping back to switchbacks. I did a bit better on the climbs and a bit worse on the descending.
  • 1 0
 What did I learn. Speed helped on root ball. Setting up early and looking where I wanted to go helped on switchbacks. I had been staring at my front wheel. I knew that wasn't right but was so worried I would drift off trail I couldn't help it.

I'm close on the up hill just out of shape due to some nagging injuries.

The full suspension opens up trails that are too scary and physically punishing on the hardtail.

Yes the steering on the hardtail is snappier and more stable at low/no speed but that does not make up for it being worse in every other conceivable way.

Thanks for the homework. Helped me decide that the old bike is probably not the ideal winter beater and should sell while people are desperate for bikes.
  • 5 0
 @mikelevy @brianpark best podcast ever
  • 3 0
 All this talk of geometry, and no mention of Pole or Geometron?
I'm sure Chris Porter must have tried something like this. It would be interesting to hear his comments?
  • 11 0
 We actually interviewed Chris Porter for this project, but we decided to save the interview for Part 3. He had a lot to say!
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: he always does!
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: oooh. That's cool. Thanks for the update.
  • 1 0
 Regarding antisquat and downhill performance. Pole back in 2015 had a 27.5’’ bb concentric single pivot bike called the Rinne Ylä, you can guess the pedalling efficiency of that thing without a climbing switch on the shock. But go back to Paul Astons review here on PB, and read what that translated into in terms of performance on the trail.

My two cents for version 2.0
  • 1 0
 Question! The Donut of Grim got me thinking DH racing.

Should (or does) the UCI have some rules in place to stop different bike designs being used for different tracks? Long, slack, low donuts for steep fast tracks vs completely different for a tight pedally track? Ie Sam Hill on and enduro bike, Cairns worlds 2017 (i think).
Should geo numbers be limited to change only within certain parameters of the frame design a rider starts the season off with? 1 degree HA, 50mm wheelbase etc?

Give the right rider 2 different setups and a full days practice, could end but 3% quicker...

Your thoughts?
  • 2 1
 @mikelevy - Time to take this podcast to the next level and add some transition music between segments to eliminate that awkward shift you guys currently have.
- Signed some guy on the internet that likes to critic other peoples podcasts but has never actually made one of his own.
  • 1 0
 Question: Why are pro bikers contracts so secretive? When major sports team sign a athlete, they details of the contract are headline news, can anyone tell me what a top ten world cup riders makes? Looking at Gwins home, some of these contracts must be fairly massive, i imagine however most are quite low. So what do they make (roughly) and why is this not more public?? In addition, how to brands sponsor america riders vs Euro riders, Do the brands provide insurance and if so do the america riders take a pay cut to order to compastate. i.e If Luca Shaw gets hurt training it could easy cost 10K plus vs if Loris Vergier gets hurt it will cost .99 cents or so. Or do are the riders consider independent contracts have have to purchase private insurance.
  • 1 0
 Great topic. Hard one for us to cover, sensitive for sure. But would be worth doing right.
  • 1 0
 @brianpark: Agreed, and that was the reason for the question. Why is it sensitive? Seems to be the same across all “extreme” sports. So I’ve spent most of today thinking about this, my best guess is that the same people paying the athletes are the ones trying to sell product. As such they would like the public thinking all the money they spent on xyz went into the R&D and production of xyz, not to support joe blow World Cup appearances. Where as Pro Sport teams are just trying to sell ticket and commercials.

Still it would be interesting to track riders earnings, or at least would provide one more article on here for me to read.
  • 1 0
 Question: why did Bryan feel the need to override Yoann's opinion of how the bike climbed. Yoann said he cleared some janky rocks at the top of the climb that are usually super hard. Then Bryan chimes in with "but it definitely doesn't feel efficient". Who cares? Yoann f*cking Barelli just said it has insane traction and helped him clean stuff that usually isn't cleaned. I think that means it definitely climbs well! Long rear center means easy traction means it will climb some shit. Traction beats "feeling efficient" every time on actual trails.
  • 1 0
 I don't disagree with Yoann's assessment of how it climbs. I just want people to understand what we mean when we're talking about climbing on the Grim Donut. We've alternately praised and shit-talked its climbing, so it's worth being clear which parts are good and which parts aren't.

Traction: great
Pedaling position: surprisingly good
Ability to get over things: literally hit and miss
Pedaling efficiency: shit
  • 1 2
 @brianpark: If there is no traction and you just can't get over stuff, isn't that the most inefficient possible situation? Many riders live in places where most of the climbs aren't just fire-roads, so "efficiency" of just plain spinning up a smoothish [fire-road] climb in the saddle is literally the least important thing. Being able to maintain traction and get up and over stuff when out of the saddle is king.

I just find it silly that after Yoann praises it in an actual mountain bike situation (getting up nasty fun shit), you immediately have to bash it for how it performs in what is pretty much transition stage conditions (boring AF seated spinning up a fire-road). Who f*cking cares? Should have let Yoann's appraisal sit for just a few seconds before immediately dismissing it as being offset by a metric which just wouldn't really matter to anyone who chose this bike on purpose.

Just flip the damn lockout lever and pedal away if you really care about being the fastest up the fire-road. Hell, just leave it locked out all the time, since traction is obviously way down on the priority list.
  • 1 0
 Trying to not be nit picky comment but probably sounding like a jerk anyway: was the track one Yoann knew well or one he’d never ridden before? Cause I though it was.said he used it to test bikes but he also beat the KOM by 20 seconds or something? Maybe just never Strava’d?
  • 1 0
 @brianpark
I listened to this episode and enjoyed it as usual. However, I was conflicted by the way you handled the Indiana biker confronting the handicapped biker on the trail. The man in the video is in the wrong, he acted without thinking and I hope he is deeply reviewing his actions. But, I don't understand how the management of this site can complain about the comments section (their audience) being toxic, and encourage violence against the person in the video ("I want to punch him in the face..."). Maybe you should look at yourself before you complain about other peoples comments and reactions
  • 3 0
 Can you share the IG account of the guy who cuts apart old FS bikes and puts them back together as kids' bikes?
  • 1 0
 Second that.
  • 5 0
 Sure thing - it's @reclaimdesigns (www.instagram.com/reclaimdesigns).
  • 4 1
 @mikelevy If you truly want us to believe that version 2.0 is from future(2030), it needs to have a gearbox!!
  • 1 0
 Every time I see the mini it makes me re-tgink my decision not to buy a mini with a civic type r engine. I bought a car with no windscreen instead. It did work though, so maybe the correct choice.
  • 1 0
 61* headangle, 40mm-50mm stem, 180mm dual crown no doubt. 470ish reach. Around 340 bb height. Keep the mullet setup it’s money. It would also be fun to try out a 29” 26” rear. Also can I be a test rider?
  • 4 1
 Kazimer was so salty in this episode. Probably pissed he wasn't part of this project.
  • 1 0
 29er wheels front and rear, big a** 38mm up front, keep the seat tube angle as much as you can, and add a freaking water bottle mount.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy - have you lost your commitment to the donut or die diet? The one donut you are eating in part two was a flashback sequence from the previous video, SMH
  • 7 0
 It's 8:55am here and I've eaten two donuts already. Still on the program.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: one of my friends says that he's willing to take me up on a small wager by climbing one of the most notorious climbs on the Front Range outside of Denver (Belcher Hill, White Ranch). Any chance of getting the bike for a few days?
  • 3 0
 Hogwash...VW Eurovan with a swing hitch covers camping homeless van duty!
  • 3 0
 $$$$$$$
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: true true
  • 1 3
 Skip all that and just get a truck and a trailer. Having a portable cabin with a real shower and toilet that you take with you and make a base camp out of is a game changer.
  • 1 0
 @ICKYBOD: skip the hokey trailer...get a Scout Kenai camper on that truck with a swing out vertical rack. Best of both worlds
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 @Svinyard: nah, I love the trailer setup much more. I've brought a couple friends and everyone has own bed. Shower I can stand up in. Couch. Drop it at a campground then go hit a whole area without breaking camp every day.
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 Guys I want to do some statistical hypothesis testing to show that the Grim Donut is statistically and scientifically faster. PUT ME IN COACH.
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 The Grim Minivan!
Seriously though why does "Cartoon Mike" have a gold tooth, a teardrop tattoo, and a penis tip microphone... Mysterious
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 I love that you guys are experimenting with this stuff. It's genuinely surprising to me that very few bike manufacturers are thinking outside the box more than .5* at a time.
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 Now that is beyond the joke and into the realm of a real, possible, game changer, Its time to get Timmies on board as a sponsor.
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 Just putting it out there, PinkBike podcast has to be the best podcast out there. Quality. Humour. Informed discussion, sarcasm and irony. Never stop!!!
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 Yoann’s insight on the bike was really interesting. Props to a pro rider willing to be objective with something that was intended to be too far.
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 Grim Bicycles Inc the bike company that doesn't sell bikes. Sure I've heard of that model before. When do the Grim T shirts come out? #sick
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 How did we come at 3%. By my maths it’s 4.9%.
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 Because I had to go to summer school for math every single year I was in high school, and I talked before thinking. Sometimes it works out, sometimes the math is wrong. My bad haha
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 If it was 2:03 vs 2:09, it was 4.65% faster
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 but if you were saying how much slower his own bike was, then yes, 4.87% slower!
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 @twonsarelli: Lets all agree it was 4.69% faster. #marketing
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 @watchmyradical: Needs more digits to be taken seriously: 4.698375%
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 @mikelevy: ahh yes more numbers and more 420. 4.698420% SRAM marketing department approved?
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 I could listen to GRIM DONUT talk all damn day.... And the Grim Cruller, OMG it MUST happen!
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 Grim Reaper - DH Sled.
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 @fartymarty: The Reaper is already a Rocky Mountain though.
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 The MINI is the right choice for mountain biking.
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 I rewatched @jasonlucas hucking the grim donut to flat but got distracted by his strong tawny legs. Nice work my son.
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 Thank you papa.
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 Fabiens MSA Mondraker had a 59° HTA.

This bike is so slack they should be running a dual crown fork. At least I would be.
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 @mikelevy @yoannbarelli Quote of 2020? “I’ve never rode this f***ing donut.”
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 post the side by side go pros!
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 Monday Wink
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 Best episode ever
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 Is the trail you tested it on "the stache"?
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 Bike check the Bowhead Reach!!!
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 If mike makes it, I will buy one
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 That heli that the OZ Trails guys have is SO COOL!
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 Let's get Atherton bikes or Geometron/Nicolai on board.
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 Still the dopest podcast music around! Good job Levy.
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 Missing an opportunity for a unicycle being the Grim Donut Hole.
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 You should def steepen the head tube at least a tiny bit guys!!
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 @brianpark wins the podcast with the 5% cheaper comment about the Intend.
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 I'm sticking withy wrangler unlimited or a gladiator
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 ooooo
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