Better late than never, right? The second chapter of the Grim Donut was just released
and, well, it didn't really go how we expected. The Donut's conception
was equal parts tongue-in-cheek and genuine curiosity, but we never thought it'd actually work. Fine, it doesn't work everywhere
, but if you watched the video, you'll know that it certainly seems to work well when pointed down some steep, fast terrain. In timed testing, ex-EWS racer and full-time maniac Yoann Barelli went six-seconds quicker on the Donut over just two-minutes; that's a massive improvement in this world. Oh, and that was also his first time on the bike. And the chain jammed off halfway down...
The Donut being unexpectedly fast meant that the second video had to change course a bit. And now that our joke of a bike has shown a bit of promise, we should probably start thinking about an updated prototype.
Episode 23 is all things Grim Donut; we chat about filming, what we expected to happen and what actually happened, and our EWS dreams with V2 of the Donut.
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THE PINKBIKE PODCAST // EPISODE 23 - GRIM DONUT 2 IS LIVE!
Sept 17th, 2020
Yeah, but why isn't part 3 done yet?
Hosted by Mike Levy (usually) and featuring a rotating cast of the editorial team and other guests, the Pinkbike Podcast is a weekly update on all the latest stories from around the world of mountain biking, as well as some frank discussion about tech, racing, and everything in between.Previous Pinkbike PodcastsEpisode 1 - Why Are Bikes So Expensive?Episode 2 - Where the Hell is the Grim Donut?Episode 3 - Pond Beaver TechEpisode 4 - Why is Every Bike a Trail Bike?Episode 5 - Can You Trust Bike Reviews?Episode 6 - Over Biked Or Under Biked?Episode 7 - Wild Project BikesEpisode 8 - Do We Need an Even Larger Wheel Size?Episode 9 - Why Are We Doing a Cross-Country Field Test?Episode 10 - Getting Nerdy About Bike SetupEpisode 11 - Are We Going Racing This Year?Episode 12 - What's the Future of Bike Shops?Episode 13 - Are Bikes Too Regular Now?Episode 14 - What Bikes Would Pinkbike Editors Buy?Episode 15 - What's Holding Mountain Biking Back?Episode 16 - Who's Your Mountain Biking Hero?Episode 17 - XC Field Test Insider Episode 18 - Electronics on your Mountain Bike: Good or Bad? Episode 19 - The Hardtail EpisodeEpisode 20 - MTB Conspiracy TheoriesEpisode 21 - Stuff We Were Wrong AboutEpisode 22 - Does Your Riding Style Match Your Personality?
While at it, maybe include 2-3 “vintage” 26” DH bike events (just imagine a Cannondale Fulcrum 1 vs Gwin’s Yeti vs an Intense M1). Likewise, it might be interesting to introduce a “homologation” class for certain EWS or DH series or events (either at the top pro level or maybe at an amateur level). This could ensure that racers are on bikes that manufacturers can sell, that bikes might be affordable for certain racers (say a $2500 or $3500 homologation class), that racers are on the same bike for all of the events, or to create a range of specifications for the bikes to prevent track-specific / race-only bikes.
I also imagine that an affordable “spec” class could increase mountain biking and racing access to a wider range of people — just imagine a “$1K” spec class...bikes available in 5 sizes that can be raced in Enduro, XC, and Dual Slalom “1K” spec events. And likewise, a $1K DH bike spec — likely also 5 standardized sizes with standardized geometry, aluminum frame, durable wheels, standardized tire specs and weights, and components and designs that are proven, durable, easy and cheap to maintain, not too crazy heavy, and also easy to “try out” or rent.
Anyhow, I’m seriously hoping that MTB racing and MTB industry will consider an Unlimited / Prototype class for the top pro level. Maybe along with a homologation class, a vintage class (for fun), and a 1K spec class to make MTB racing more accessible for a wider range of people (of course including students and new riders, worldwide).
And lastly, maybe Pinkbike could sponsor a university “Formula SAE” style bike design / build / race competition. Just imagine what kind of amazing and wild stuff we’d see!
The AWD Toyota Sienna is the best mountain biking vehicle out there. You can shuttle, go long distance, sleep in it, haul with it, and it’s a Toyota
I’d say a Ram Grand Caravan CV (panel van minivan) would be the best compromise and they’re even cheaper.
I'm definitely going to look into a newer Sienna now, lift it slightly and throw on some BFG AT's. Remove all back seats and build bed/storage. Cut out foam inserts for interior window insulation (while parked/sleeping). (Used to have a sweet Previa like that)
That said, I'd still rather have a full size van or truck. Or, in my case, hopefully getting insurance on my ambulance today!
If I was doing nothing but driving up and down mountains and carrying bikes and a couple of people, a dodge d100 flatbed would be my go to.
I agree better than a Taco as long as no real off road as the ground clearance sucks especially with a hitch.
My Mini is the same colour, don't break up the band!
Back on the hitch we installed a North Shore rack of 4 and it’s perfect for our 2 dirtiumpers and 2 enduro bikes .
That being said ultra reliable.
We carried a spare tire for years inside and finally gave up. We have run flats so WTF.
Cops here don't ignore as speeding soccer moms regularly get tagged. Don't ask me how many tickets the wife has got )-:
Kiss, marry, murder
Any sort of giggling should be encouraged! Love the video. I want to see Yoann on a pole or geometron. Commencal probably don't though.
35 degrees is pretty slack.
(In case they fix the type-o):
And commencal.. it was him who had me notice your new Meta AM 29 of which I've got an ALC bike ordered (bit nicer than the signature series I think which are pretty banging anyway)
Obviously the longer and slacker DH bike will be the Grim Long John.
Down country bike, Grim Jelly Donut?
I need to hear ideas. This company could have the best names in the industry.
The Grim Strudel - eMTB (550mm CSL, 550mm reach)
The Grim Croissant - high pivot DH bike (45° HTA, 90° STA)
The Grim Danish - the fixie (90° HTA, 30mm bars)
The Grim Croissant needs to be a cx bike. Might require some UCI regulation changes for geo, though.
1) 2017 Breezer Storm shoddily converted to 1x8 trail bike. No dropper. 71deg head angle with SR Suntour XCT fork. Think cheapest bike in LBS.
2) 201X Titus El Viajero Gravity Trail. Dropper. 65deg head angle with SR Suntour Auron fork and Duair RC shock. Put together with best cheap NOS parts I could find.
The technical trail features.
1) Switchbacks: first left then right with about 20 yards between them. Both are about 8 ft diameter.
2) Root ball turn: short climb leading up to a hard left around a tree followed by some rocks and a tree to avoid.
First off I checked my suspension. Bike 2 fork was too soft and was diving. Added 10 PSI.
I took bike 1 out first. First stop: climb switchbacks - did not get either. Second stop: descending switchbacks - no problem. Repeat several times - same result. Third stop: root ball - hit with a little speed and was no problem. I thought it was a real possibility I would crash or chicken out on root ball because it was so awkward and chunky. Booked it back to the car because I was paranoid that bike 2 would be stolen.
Bike 2. Hit root ball first after descending trail that i had to walk down on bike 1. Root ball worked but line was not as good. Then enjoyed a ride until looping back to switchbacks. I did a bit better on the climbs and a bit worse on the descending.
I'm close on the up hill just out of shape due to some nagging injuries.
The full suspension opens up trails that are too scary and physically punishing on the hardtail.
Yes the steering on the hardtail is snappier and more stable at low/no speed but that does not make up for it being worse in every other conceivable way.
Thanks for the homework. Helped me decide that the old bike is probably not the ideal winter beater and should sell while people are desperate for bikes.
I'm sure Chris Porter must have tried something like this. It would be interesting to hear his comments?
My two cents for version 2.0
Should (or does) the UCI have some rules in place to stop different bike designs being used for different tracks? Long, slack, low donuts for steep fast tracks vs completely different for a tight pedally track? Ie Sam Hill on and enduro bike, Cairns worlds 2017 (i think).
Should geo numbers be limited to change only within certain parameters of the frame design a rider starts the season off with? 1 degree HA, 50mm wheelbase etc?
Give the right rider 2 different setups and a full days practice, could end but 3% quicker...
- Signed some guy on the internet that likes to critic other peoples podcasts but has never actually made one of his own.
Still it would be interesting to track riders earnings, or at least would provide one more article on here for me to read.
Pedaling position: surprisingly good
Ability to get over things: literally hit and miss
Pedaling efficiency: shit
I just find it silly that after Yoann praises it in an actual mountain bike situation (getting up nasty fun shit), you immediately have to bash it for how it performs in what is pretty much transition stage conditions (boring AF seated spinning up a fire-road). Who f*cking cares? Should have let Yoann's appraisal sit for just a few seconds before immediately dismissing it as being offset by a metric which just wouldn't really matter to anyone who chose this bike on purpose.
Just flip the damn lockout lever and pedal away if you really care about being the fastest up the fire-road. Hell, just leave it locked out all the time, since traction is obviously way down on the priority list.
I listened to this episode and enjoyed it as usual. However, I was conflicted by the way you handled the Indiana biker confronting the handicapped biker on the trail. The man in the video is in the wrong, he acted without thinking and I hope he is deeply reviewing his actions. But, I don't understand how the management of this site can complain about the comments section (their audience) being toxic, and encourage violence against the person in the video ("I want to punch him in the face..."). Maybe you should look at yourself before you complain about other peoples comments and reactions
Seriously though why does "Cartoon Mike" have a gold tooth, a teardrop tattoo, and a penis tip microphone... Mysterious
This bike is so slack they should be running a dual crown fork. At least I would be.