Mountain bike suspension can offer impressive performance and adjustability, and you can even get it in a package that's been optimized to within a few grams of its life. In other words, things are pretty damn good... But we still have questions. So many questions. Good thing we have Chris Mandell from RockShox in to answer some of them. Like, why the heck do service intervals seem so short? Do we really need all those dials and knobs? Why are creaky CSUs still a thing? Who's faster: Kazimer or Levy? And once and for all, should you do air or coil?
If you have questions about suspension, today's podcast might have some answers for you.
THE PINKBIKE PODCAST // EPISODE 44 - MOUNTAIN BIKE SUSPENSION DECODED January 28, 2021
Moar shimz, please.
Hosted by Mike Levy (usually) and featuring a rotating cast of the editorial team and other guests, the Pinkbike Podcast is a weekly update on all the latest stories from around the world of mountain biking, as well as some frank discussion about tech, racing, and everything in between.
Second, do you want them to be responsible for you knowing how to ride it too?
Google gets 4 million plus hits when you type "mountain bike suspension setup". The info is out there, in as simplified terms as you want.
If someone is dumb enough to shell out big bucks to get high end suspension with a lot of adjustment, but are not inclined to use it properly...that's on them.
1. Most new riders, do not have the experience, and are fairly overwhelmed by riding off road upright, changing gears, etc, and most of the time spent on suspension setup is lost time in the excitement of a new bike purchase.
2. Without that knowledge and experience, a base setup is really all that you’re going to be able to accomplish.
3. My belief is that experience is the best teacher, and the quickest, teach a man to fish and all that. futzing with your own stuff helps you learn how these things work, and the effect they have. On top of, riding style changes, different terrain, different bikes, all require new and different changes to your setup to get the most out it.
4. In my experience (obviously antidotal) at all the shops I worked at we did a basic suspension setup to all bikes at time of build. It’s a one size fits all approach obviously, but it helps sell bikes. More advanced setup/tuning was a value added service, that we sold as a package (could be thrown in to make a sale). Again, I’m not sure how valuable this is to new riders, without that experience.
5. I honestly believe most people aren’t really interested, I’d wager that most people are “set and forget”, they could, and most of the time do, have all the settings in the world, and either dont notice, or cant be bothered to worry about it.
Good shops will provide good service, there is a cost associated to it, and not everyone wants to pay for that, direct to market bikes a real good example of that.
I don't see how the shop could really do more than maybe set sag, or pump the shock/fork to recommended pressures for their weight.
That’s your value advantage not a hindrance to picking the shop Spotify playlist.
However, the dealership better show you where all the bells and whistles are and where the switches for those bells and whistles are. This is quite literally the only value a dealership could offer over just ordering cars direct from the manufacturer.
Also, patenting graduations on a shaft? Isn't that just a tube-shaped ruler? I can't see how that's ok.
@rockshox plz fix
To be fair, RS has taken care of my creaky CSUs, but they certainly still have issues with that (as do others I suppose).
Levy: why is it hard to make CSUs that don't creak?
Chris (paraphrasing): it's not, we have it locked down.
In my experience (3 RS forks in the last 3 years) this simply isn't the case. Maybe I'm unlucky, but I don't think so.
However, regarding the one-piece CSU, Chris clearly states that their current paradigm results in a "light-weight, affordable, cost-effective product"...basically, fancy words used to say it is too expensive, which is a shame, because I also believe that this would solve a lot of issues.
Chris Mandell is a master of spin up he has a career in Politics whenever he leaves Rockshox.
Suspension Marketing: Goes on about Trunnion
Pinkbike guys: goes on to the next question, not even trying to address the awkward issue.
Trunnion mount makes sense. Converting from one type of units to another does not make that much sense. It is essentially a standard change which causes irritation just like the different axle diameters on Shimano and SRAM Cranksets. I mean, even in the sensible metric(sorry, but not sorry!) world we still buy our car rims in inch measurements.
In years past it seemed you'd get a better shim-stack in the higher end models, as well as a 3-pos switch.
I wonder if it's still the same now? Or is it just more external adjustments on the better models?
Speaking of patents, is Knolly keeping other brands from connecting the seat tube to the down tube? Never really understood that lawsuit against Intense.
Chris; "That's an excellent question, please allow me to ignore it and talk about something else".
Chris is clearly an experienced PR guy
Super interesting talk though.
Remy. All the Remy. I want a coupon code that lets me ride steep slabs.
How about industry folks from Rocky, Banshee or Norco to talk geo and if they’re going to give you royalties when they copy the Grim Donut?
Vorsprung for some more suspension talk?
Nico Vouilloz to recall his racing career and geek out on bike geo / setup (that might need a few instalments).
you need to be carefull my friend, you will regret it, if your attitude provokes an accident.