The Pinkbike Podcast: Episode 81 - You've Got Questions, We've (Maybe) Got Answers

Sep 16, 2021
by Mike Levy  
Pinkbike Podcast
Art by Taj Mihelich


Since we usually have the most fun - and the most shit talk - while answering your questions on the podcast, why not do an entire Q&A show? Today's episode sees Mike Kazimer, Henry Quinney, RC, and I get through around half of the questions I had originally planned on answering. There'll be another Q&A podcast in the near future, but this one covers everything from high-end aftermarket shocks, hardest challenges, explaining World Cup downhill racing, suction cup bike racks, standards, interviews with CEOs, our favorite underdog brands, and a ton of other questions. Did we answer yours? Did I mispronounce your username? Maybe and highly likely.

Want your question answered on the Pinkbike podcast? Post it in the comment section below and we might get to it.





THE PINKBIKE PODCAST // EPISODE 81 - YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS, WE'VE (MAYBE) GOT ANSWERS
Sep 16th, 2021

I wish this episode was multiple choice...


Featuring a rotating cast of the editorial team and other guests, the Pinkbike podcast is a weekly update on all the latest stories from around the world of mountain biking, as well as some frank discussion about tech, racing, and everything in between.




Previous Pinkbike Podcasts
Episode 1 - Why Are Bikes So Expensive?
Episode 2 - Where the Hell is the Grim Donut?
Episode 3 - Pond Beaver Tech
Episode 4 - Why is Every Bike a Trail Bike?
Episode 5 - Can You Trust Bike Reviews?
Episode 6 - Over Biked Or Under Biked?
Episode 7 - Wild Project Bikes
Episode 8 - Do We Need an Even Larger Wheel Size?
Episode 9 - Why Are We Doing a Cross-Country Field Test?
Episode 10 - Getting Nerdy About Bike Setup
Episode 11 - Are We Going Racing This Year?
Episode 12 - What's the Future of Bike Shops?
Episode 13 - Are Bikes Too Regular Now?
Episode 14 - What Bikes Would Pinkbike Editors Buy?
Episode 15 - What's Holding Mountain Biking Back?
Episode 16 - Who's Your Mountain Biking Hero?
Episode 17 - XC Field Test Insider
Episode 18 - Electronics on your Mountain Bike: Good or Bad?
Episode 19 - The Hardtail Episode
Episode 20 - MTB Conspiracy Theories
Episode 21 - Stuff We Were Wrong About
Episode 22 - Does Your Riding Style Match Your Personality?
Episode 23 - Grim Donut 2 is Live!
Episode 24 - Why Even Buy a DH Bike?
Episode 25 - Fall Field Test Preview
Episode 26 - The Three Most Important Mountain Bikes
Episode 27 - The World Champs Special
Episode 28 - All About Women's Bikes
Episode 29 - Freeride or Die
Episode 30 - Would You Rather?
Episode 31 - Wet Weather Riding Tips & Tricks
Episode 32 - What Needs to Change in the Bike Industry?
Episode 33 - Behind the Scenes at Pinkbike Academy
Episode 34 - Grilling Levy About Field Test Trail Bikes (and His Bonspiel)
Episode 35 - Story Time - Stranger Than Fiction
Episode 36 - Grilling Kazimer about Field Test Enduro Bikes
Episode 37 - The 2020 Privateer Season with Ben Cathro
Episode 38 - Editors Defend Their 2020 Best-Of Picks
Episode 39 - Predicting the Future of Mountain Biking
Episode 40 - The Pinkbike Awards!
Episode 41 - Racing Rumours and Team Changes
Episode 42 - Mountain Biking's Guilty Pleasures
Episode 43 - Dangerholm's Wildest Custom Mountain Bikes
Episode 44 - Mountain Bike Suspension Decoded
Episode 45 - What Makes a Good Riding Buddy
Episode 46 - The RockShox Zeb vs Fox 38 Deep Dive
Episode 47 - High Pivot Bikes: The Good, The Bad, and The Why?
Episode 48 - Rides That Went Horribly Wrong... & Why That Made Them So Good
Episode 49 - What's the Best DH Bike?
Episode 50 - Are Bikes Actually Getting Less Expensive? (Value Bike Field Test Preview)
Episode 51 - Should MTB Media Post Spy Shots?
Episode 52 - Our Most Embarrassing MTB Moments
Episode 53 - Should Climbers Still Have the Right of Way?
Episode 54 - Best and Worst MTB Product Marketing
Episode 55 - Big Dumb Rides & Staying Motivated
Episode 56 - What Were the Most Important Inventions in Mountain Biking?
Episode 57 - What Were the Best (and Worst) Trends in Mountain Biking?
Episode 58 - Debunking Mountain Biking's Biggest Myths
Episode 59 - Value Bike Field Trip Surprises & Spoilers
Episode 60 - What Kind of Mountain Biker Do You Want to Be?
Episode 61 - Athlete Pay, Lycra, Equality and More from the State of the Sport Survey
Episode 62 - Editor Preferences and Why They Matter
Episode 63 - Our Best (And Worst) Bike Buying Advice
Episode 64 - Who's On Your MTB Mount Rushmore?
Episode 65 - The Hardtail Episode
Episode 66 - The Best and Worst of Repairing Bikes
Episode 67 - The Story of Mountain Biking's Most Interesting Man: Richard Cunningham
Episode 68 - Who Are Mountain Biking's Unsung Heroes?
Episode 69 - The Good, Bad, and Strange Bikes We've Owned - Part 1
Episode 70 - The Good, Bad, and Strange Bikes We've Owned - Part 2
Episode 71 - The Story of Mountain Biking's Most Interesting Man: Richard Cunningham - A Pinkbike Podcast Special, Part 2
Episode 72 - Hey Outers!
Episode 73 - The Details That Matter... and Some That Shouldn't
Episode 74 - The Best Trails We've Ridden and What Makes Them So Special
Episode 75 - Things MTB Brands Waste Money On
Episode 76 - MTB Originals and Copycats
Episode 77 - Interview with Outside CEO, Robin Thurston
Episode 78 - Modern Geometry Explained
Episode 79 - What's the Future of eMTBs?
Episode 80 - The Best Vehicles for Mountain Bikers


135 Comments

  • 30 0
 Now that Pinkbike has an Outside+ tag, thoughts on allowing users to pay a monthly fee to display an Outside- tag with no other benefit?
  • 23 4
 yeah, not stoked on my tag.... I signed up to watch the fly fishing film tour remotely last year at a discounted rate. And now my PB account is maimed. What's up with that?
  • 4 1
 @TerrapinBen: It's like a dentist badge, I mean, anyone who reads bike sites, hiking sites, fishing sites, yoga, fitness, etc. simultaneously is a total gear junkie, and probably a wealthy vegan California ciitizen Wink
  • 11 0
 @TerrapinBen: They should really make it optional to show it. 100% holding me back from getting it. I don't want to get bullied in the comments lol
  • 2 0
 @TerrapinBen: you're an outstanding citizen, my guy
  • 6 9
 @TerrapinBen: nothing personal against you, but I will be automatically downvoting anyone with that tag from here on. I’m sure you’re a good dude, but ya know.
  • 14 2
 I signed up over a year ago so I could have access to the Warren Miller catalogue and now I have to wear this mark of shame without being asked.
  • 6 1
 actually that's what you get for watching warren miller
  • 1 0
 I can't help but think that if they'd left it the same colour as the old Plus logo then an awful lot of people wouldn't have noticed.
  • 3 2
 @Binderclip: It's strange how strong and visceral my negative reaction to seeing that mark of shame next to my username is. If they don't allow me to remove it I'll likely end up creating a new account just for PB comments.

I can't even say I understand why I feel this way either. I just know it pisses me off. Probably says something lame about my character.
  • 1 1
 @TerrapinBen: I feel your pain, dude.
  • 24 1
 Is mayonnaise an instrument?
  • 8 0
 Are pickles a sustainable light source?
  • 2 7
flag TerrapinBen (Sep 16, 2021 at 7:40) (Below Threshold)
 Do tigers sleep in lily patches?
  • 1 0
 Can we say that shoes from Texas are dumb? Can we say that plants from Texas are dumb?
  • 15 0
 RC isn't correct about vacuum holding things together. It's almost always chemical bonds. In the case of glue, there's often non-covalent chemical bonds (e.g. hydrogen bonds) holding the materials together. Glass has SiOH groups on its surface, which can hydrogen with glue molecules and stick together. It is true you can "glue" two pieces of steel together by simply putting them next to each other (both pieces need to be incredibly smooth), but this still relies on non-covalent bonds between the atoms of the steel.
  • 22 1
 @svanwyck: Justifiably called out and guilty of gross oversimplification
  • 3 0
 @RichardCunningham: It's definitely true is some cases!
  • 11 0
 @RichardCunningham: So, hypothetically…. If you clean the vacuum cleaner, you become a vacuum cleaner ??
  • 16 1
 Who is the king or queen of hot-boxing at Pinkbike and why is it Levy?
  • 4 0
 It’s because he has a mini
  • 1 0
 @brandaneisma: Levy is being silent - but deadly - on this one DOHHHHHHHHHH !
  • 1 0
 Levy is the queen of our hearts
  • 1 0
 @Larkey1: Or maybe just the Jester…
  • 8 0
 Cunningham nails it w/ the Where To Ride In the US reply. Being from the east i can tell you that even our best views & terrain are laughable versus the desert southwest (and mountain Colorado) or the PNW

I will specifically say that while Bentonville Arkansas is making tons of hay about their trails - its the Six Flags / Disneyland silicone implants of all MTB regions - super fun, a blast - but almost completely built, minimal views or vastness and ultimately a hamster wheel & habi-trail board game compared to wilderness, vastness, views & level / type of trails in the southwest & PNW. Truly, not to bust on AR (I'm from there) but the theme-park feel of it is not a good intro to US riding when ya could ride the west.
  • 3 0
 Ouch! Ya I don't disagree at all, but after Vanlifing the US + Canada for 2 years, riding everything I could, I moved to Bville. Not because they had the most epic trails, but because of the accessibility, variety, quantity and quality of purpose built trails, in close proximity to a friendly little town that embraces it's MTB scene. Bentonville chamber of commerce pitch done lol. But yeah, PNW, SWest trails and views are on another level for sure.
  • 3 0
 @Moonie2123: Glad ya didn't get all bent outta shape (and even if so, whatever)...def wasn't meant to be insulting vs. simple info. Main point was if anyone was coming from UK or elsewhere to ride in one US region, I'd focus on the SW or PNW (effin' Colorado has some epic shit too that you couldn't ride 1/2 of even in a year). B'ville is a hoot... in fact, have a trip there in Oct - its fun. But I wouldn't recom it for a 1st time or one-place only ride site. Even my area (Pisgah, western NC) is actually banger, but if I had anywhere to ride in the US, sure wouldn't suggest anyone come here over CO / UT / AZ or PNW...hands down. Its on an entirely diff't level.
  • 5 0
 I rode a few hours in Bentonville as I was nearby visiting relatives. So I only did the some of the trails, the supposedly hardest and most gravity oriented. They were ok, not amazing. It's not the mega destination they're claiming, that was a couple years ago tho. But a few years ago I moved to an area that has a lot fewer trails than I'm used to. It has some amazing trails just not that many miles in total. It made me realized that trails are like sex or pizza even when they're not that good they're still pretty good. My point is any trail is better than no trail: We should all appreciate any trail we can ride. I think it's awesome that Bentonville is building so much and so open to bikers. The trails there will develop, grow, and improve as the scene there grows.
  • 1 0
 @kcy4130: Def so and indisputably true - a diff't topic tho. If ya were from UK or elsewhere tho - what's the one (or two) place(s) you'd recom someone to ride. B'ville? Lots of us spoiled rotten really with the trails we have - self included: I'm beside 30 miles of hardly used monster DH tracks few even like, but I love 'em...nice & quiet. But the user question to PB was about the One Place they'd recommend so that my main point on the comment. Yours is well taken tho, just not fully related to the topic. Maybe I didn't need to go outta my way and say places to avoid but - like Walmart - its not the first place I'd recommend or go
  • 1 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: Oh, right on, now I got you. Haven't listened yet. Yeah someone coming from the uk, I'd agree, southwest, maybe Sedona, if you could only hit one spot. Awesome riding, crazy beautiful, and super different landscape/environment than the uk. But it would all depend on time of year, weather and such.
  • 2 0
 @kcy4130: Gotcha...yeah, I assumed ya heard the pod. Anyway - its all subjective I guess but I thought RC nailed it good. I'm less a sun-basked lizard type so I'm a Colorado goto myself, but there's killer stuff all around there and tons of hidden gems. And yeah, seasonally dependent
  • 2 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: Nah I wasn't offended at all, hell I just moved here! They might've done more harm then good with the whole "MTB capitol" claim lol. But ya one spot, probably Southern Utah, just because it's so unique visually with tons of epic stuff.
  • 2 0
 @kcy4130: Honestly they're building stuff here faster than I can ride it! Been here 6 months now, and I'm still finding new fun stuff every week. Again, not epic, but loads and loads of solid.
  • 2 0
 @Moonie2123: I heard it was a mile a week or so of trail (?) - in a sense that is all epic in & of itself and to be super clear, the whole scene is pretty unique (esp for Walmartville...last place I'd have expected vs. a banjo hall of fame or something) so its nothing to snub. Hoping to hit a fall break trip there but...I'd rather just go to Utah if I could! Still - fun stuff & good times. Any normal mtb rider is actually jealous for what is our normal non-epic home conditions.
  • 6 0
 RC has the best explanation for weariness concerning E-bikes and why so many organizations are slow to jump on board advocacy wise. I'm not sure that they necessarily do more trail damage, as their riders often aren't the sending crowd, but from a management stand point it sure seems like an unpredictable future. I think he speaks more to the GREAT DEBATE than anyone else has in some time.
  • 4 0
 Ditto on that w/ RC. He's the cool hand we need in the room and he already had all these discussions in the 80's/90's tho obviously motorized mtb wasn't an issue at that point. Point being: the specifics are different the topic is still the same: motorized use. Sure eMTBs have batteries & are quiet vs. motos - thankfully - but its still motorized and when that battery dies, not a lotta eMTB riders are gonna pedal uphill that much. But when he pointed out the issue of eMTBs uphilling on berms / flow (or any uphill they can) and what effin problems this is gonna cause, I knew he was still thinking 25 steps ahead of most of us.
  • 2 0
 These have been my thoughts all along. I have no real issue with current E-bikes created by MTB companies but how do you determine a class of ebike as a land manager with non-regulated E-bikes coming on the market. If the unregulated bikes become the norm then MTB companies will need to try and stay competitive by offering higher power and speeds to maintain sales.
  • 7 0
 PODCAST REQUEST: Can we PLEASE get a Ben Cathro podcast??! What an awesome series over the last couple of crazy years, finally qualifying and finishing 40th in snowshoe R1!
  • 2 0
 Here's our last podcast with Ben: www.pinkbike.com/news/the-pinkbike-podcast-episode-37-the-2020-privateer-season-with-ben-cathro.html We'll have him on again for sure.
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy: Thanks!!! I remember that one, great. Looking forward to the follow up. Thanks for the PB podcast, it’s my favourite every week in my podcast feed
  • 4 0
 The pandemic not only increased the number of hikers, mtbers, & associated gear sales. However, the same applies for motorbikes & atvs. These are not allowed in any of the trails in my neck of the woods but enforcement is sorely lacking and user conflicts are on the rise. How does your municipality and trail orgs deal with this situation? I proposed that the munis create dedicated parks for moto but liability is the biggest roadblock- and this user group doesn't organize as one voice to implement change- they just run & gun.
  • 3 1
 So much more substantial than my hot-boxing question. I have to try again...
  • 6 0
 How much extra weight am I carrying around once my chamois is fully soaked with sweat? Can we have a "Shammy absorbtion comparison?" podcast?
  • 1 1
 Kaz seriously giving us too much ammo on this one - now that means we're gonna have to bomb the PB pod crew s/ chamois questions, thoughts, ideology, tips, and philosophy. I also call them pads or liners tho b/c as Kaz correctly notes - chamois is just a strange word. I for one am a balls-gone-to-sleep type w/o a liner but...honestly I don't need to go on & on about it. But I will if annoys Kaz.
  • 5 0
 I got a Shamy question for the next podcast: how do you use the chamois butt'r? I've used it on toast, bakes and when grilling. Is non stick but a terrible after taste. Any tips or recipes?
  • 1 0
 Bad aftertaste? Are you licking it out of the chamois or off the butt? The chamois may have an unpalatable plasticky taste.
  • 4 0
 Guys.. Switzerland EWS was not a double hitter.. it was a PRO stage on saturday and 4 stages on sunday for the pros.. Loudenvielle in France was a double header.. get your british guy to do the news ; )
  • 3 0
 @mikelevy
@mikekazimer

Question for the Q and A next week.

Hey Pinkbike Team love the podcast!

My kids and I are grass roots racers and get our bikes as brand ambassadors through the generosity and support of our local bike shop. I am hearing rumors that the big brands will not be offering these sponsorship deals to people next year and I am also hearing rumblings of pro-deals for shop employees not being offered as well. This of course is one of the big perks of working in a bike shop.

Have you guys heard anything about this? I know there are bike shortages out there and I am wondering if the big brands are just going for the profits over supporting the grass roots avid riders? Or is it a function of just not having the inventory to provide these ambassadors and shop employees with bikes?

Cheers,
  • 2 0
 Comment about having more PB pods per week. I'm all for 2-3 pods a week, but I seriously think ya have to listen to each cast 3-4 times to actually soak it all up. Combine that with a previous podcast replays - and I promise you'll hear shit you didn't remember hearing back when it aired - and you can make up for there not being 2-3 pods a week. Don't wanna wax too sentimental but the PB pod is easily the most awaited pod of my week, but honestly - without multiple listens can you really soak up all that juicy info and Chamois Cognition, Comprehension & Consciousness that Kaz loves so much?
  • 2 0
 For those listening, I have already sunk the money's on an Ext Storia and fitted it to a Raaw madonna v2. Was interested to hear if the team thought they were snake oil. I'm a big fan and I'm happy with the new shiny thing after a year of riding. I've done a fair bit of bracketing and set up which has got it feeling great. Chris Porter from mojo gave some really handy tips on getting it balanced with the front. I bought it from them and it was set up for my weight, bike and riding style. The bike came with a Fox DPX2. I did do a lot of set up with it but could never find a set up I liked. It never felt right to me. I've previously ridden a canecreek double barrel, Rockshox vivid air and a Fox DHX2 on other bikes. The storia is a cut above everything but probably not the same percentage performance increase as the price.
  • 1 0
 Any tips you can pass on for it?
  • 2 0
 @stormracing: one of the things that made the biggest difference was speeding up the rebound on the fork. Its a Fox 38. I'm running it 3 to 4 clicks from fully open (fast) 2 HSC and 2 LSC. I'm running around 30% sag and no tokens.

The storia I have 4 LSC 3 HSC from open (soft) and the rebound 4 from fully open (fast) The supplied and suggested springs are softer/lighter than you might expect. The damping in the EXT changes the ‘dynamic (sag) ride height’ quite a lot from the other shocks. It doesn't feel very special in the carpark but it's a winner on the trail.

If I'm riding bike park tracks I dial in a few more clicks of HSC on the fork and slow the rebound down on both 1 or 2 clicks.
  • 1 0
 @RichardCunningham in answer to the suggestion in the podcast. Yes, I think I've done enough to know that I've maximised the performance on what I had before dropping big dollar. A notebook and repeat runs on the same trail starting at the suggested settings and then bracketing. Then doing the same at a variety of air pressures. As a bit of a bike nerd set up and fiddling is one of the things I really enjoy. I definitely agreed with the sentiment that has been mentioned on the podcast a lot that you should be meticulous about tyre pressure if you're trying to get the best out of your bike.

Still interested to know how you guys think it compares to a custom shimmed shock like a DHX2 as that wasn't really discussed.

Happy trails. Really enjoyed the RC tales episode
  • 2 0
 @raawbikerider: thanks for the tips!! Have a Storia coming soon and sure am pumped to get that and the era all dialed in!
  • 6 0
 I’m supposed to wash my chain?!?
  • 2 0
 Question for the next Podcast.

What is the best 150mm-160mm travel "Jack of all trades" bike you all have tested?

That travel range seems to be the most versatile and would suit most riders in most locations, but bigger travel enduro bikes seem to get a lot more attention these days. I'm currently on a custom Marin Alpine trail C2 and love it, and have a lot of friends on Norco Sights which are very similar, but I'd like to know what has been a stand out for you.
  • 2 0
 Why is it so common to see bikes with different amounts of suspension travel between the front and rear? There are bikes that are 170/170 but there are a lot more bikes that are 180/165 (ex. Yeti SB165), 170/150 (ex. Yeti SB150), 150/140 (ex. Transition Scout), 140/130 (ex. Trek Fuel EX), etc.
  • 2 0
 Question for the next podcast or Q&A podcast inspired by seeing the Bright fork Seb is testing: Why don't we see monocoque bikes like the Mountain Cycles San Andreas anymore?

As RC so rightly said in his 'Now THAT was a bike' article, the design "solved every major issue that would plague dual suspension mountain bikes for decades to come: It was inherently stronger and stiffer, had plenty of stand-over clearance, room for short stays and big tires, it offered modular frame sizing, and its suspension kinematics were completely unhindered by frame constraints.", so why don't we still see that type of design?

I thought it was weight, but the the internet says that a San Andreas with the inverted forks and disc brakes was only 26lbs, which is as light as my ProFlex was back then, so it doesn't seem like there's a significant weight penalty?

I'd buy an updated version of this killer in heartbeat! www.pinkbike.com/photo/15379095
  • 1 0
 Ref ebikes with expired batteries / motors. What would you think to dropping in some kind of assembly that replaces the motor with a regular bottom bracket and crankset? The bike can then be run with the battery and other electronics stripped off. Sure it'll look a bit goofy but would keep an otherwise useable bike on the trail.
  • 1 0
 I may be making this up, but I think Shimano submitted a patent for a gearbox that was the same dimensions as their e-bike motors. Seems a good idea anyway! Same frame moulds, you just choose motor or not. Cheaper for everyone.
  • 1 0
 Has uphill mountain bike racing ever been a thing? I know there was a short uphill stage at an EWS-E event in the last year or two, but I'm curious if there has ever been a serious attempt to make it competitive? Sounds a bit weird, and maybe doesn't have the adrenaline rush, but it would give a chance to showcase technical climbing skills that you rarely see. Maybe it could be a bonus points round for EWS events, which would not only give some variety but also help to differentiate more from downhill.
  • 1 0
 Is that not just XC? Or are you talking hillclimb?
  • 1 0
 @lefthandohvhater: I was thinking hillclimb, like a one mile uphill sprint, switchbacks, roots, rocks, loose dirt, all that stuff
  • 1 0
 Thanks for using my question in the podcast! While i have many questions for you presenters, i more meant this question to be for the pinkers who get so mad about axle standards. Just wanted to see what proportion of them would favor a single standard (whether that stood for 5 years, 10 years, whatever).
  • 1 0
 I'll weigh in on the bike cleaning. I used to use Dawn dish soap unless a drivetrain was especially dirty, then I would use a citrus degreaser which does wonders when things are filthy.

Been using Bike Hardcore cleaning products as of late, after hearing in another podcast with Muc-Off that dish soaps contained a small amount of salt to get that streak-free shine on glass. I was using Dawn for 2 decades prior with no issues, but news of salt content caused me to switch things up.

For brushes, you want something that uses Tampico fibers, they don't hold on to grease the same way plastic bristles do. I got the "Service Course" brush kit and it has been fantastic, but I still use a park tools cassette brush, as well as the Pedro's chainpig II (they fixed the chain pig so it doesn't break in 2 uses)

for chain lube, Bike hardcore chain butter keeps my cassette running clean, but requires more frequent application than my normal go-to chain lube which was Dumonde Tech Lite (yellow)
  • 1 0
 Here is a question. With the so many high pivot bikes popping up, is it safe to say that the industry maxed out the geometry and wheels size progression so they are trying to innovate with their suspension pivot style?
It seems to me that nearly every brand does kind of a take on the first generation transition Sentinel as their trail bike or XC bike that is "inspired" by the 2018 Spesh epic.
  • 1 0
 I have to disagree with RC on Geometry. As an ex ski/snowboard bum, I got into MTB late without learning the skills a lot of people did at a young age. On my old bike (Spesh Enduro), I'd do a lot of crashing and had some big, painful accidents. I got a Pole last year, and man the difference in my riding and confidence is massive. Similarly, my wife got a new Slash this year and she started complaining about her brakes (which are now big, powerful 4 pots) which we then realised were because she got on and was instantly sooo much faster than before.

If anything, modern geometry helps lower skill levels more than the experienced riders.
  • 1 0
 RE: Battery replacements...

An e-bike battery is made with off the shelf cells, which are easy to replace. In theory it would not take much for someone to be able to take apart a battery and replace the cells. However, a brand could make it intentionally hard to take it apart.
Prius batteries can also be replaced relatively cheaply (though, not by Toyota) and electric motors are inherently less complicated and required less maintenance than an engine that's igniting fuel at 9000 a minute.

I think 3rd party batteries will definitely become a thing and there's no reason why they can't be exactly the same inside as the originals.

Iphones are not a great comparison as Apple designs it's own batteries and makes them impossible to repair so you are forced to buy a new one.
  • 1 0
 . Don’t know if I am too late for the QUESTIONS podcast? But here goes anyway…. I am about to retire my 2008 Turner Flux (for a Starling Murmur). The Turner has bushings instead of bearings. These are still going strong with no play after 13 years! I do have to blast some grease in every so often as the main pivot is starting to creak a little, but it has grease ports for this. The question is, why don’t more bikes come with bushings? My pal has a Turner 5 Spot which had a similar lifespan. Thanks, awesome podcast.
  • 1 0
 Henry, quadlock mount for your phone and mount it your handlbar. I watch test cricket when I am training on long boring rides on fire roads or quiet bike paths. Real handy and can stop for a sec if something interesting happens!! Or I just listen to the Pinkbike Podcast or music. Although the only music on the trail I want to listen too is the sweet sound of my freehub...
  • 1 0
 Question: You referred to "normal mountain bikes" a couple of times in this podcast to differentiate them from eBikes. Are we going to a new name for our real MTBs?

An eBiker once referred to me as an "acoustic mountain biker". It hurt and I wanted to punch him for his ignorance, but he kinda had a point.
  • 4 0
 We are mountain biker. They are eBiker. The End. Wink
  • 1 0
 RE: front axles not needing to be as stiff as rear axles because of the position of the GOG and a 35% front axle loading. This is true for static flat ground, but the moment you start braking baking downhill this all goes out the window. This is easily demonstrated by how the rear wheel is the one to break traction when descending a slab for example. A stiff front axle has very few drawbacks and could improve suspension performance.
  • 1 0
 I used to do a lot of orienteering races... back in the naughties mountain bike orienteering became a thing. People started calling orienteering "foot orienteering". We didn't need a new name for the sport, it was still just orienteering.

Now I'm the bike world we have e-bikes and I hear @mikelevy calling mountain bikes "regular bikes". Can you please stop? They're mountain bikes Wink
  • 1 0
 Yup, I can stop.
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy: you can't even stop saying pinkers
  • 3 0
 @mtbman1980: I can't stop Pinking you guys, sorry
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: thanks mate!

PS keep on pinking Wink
  • 1 0
 If it wasn't for the free parts, would you rather buy a bike and run it into the ground until everything is knackered/ worn out and start fresh (apart from consumables like pads and chains), or would you continually keep replacing parts that get a bit old and swapping them with new ones (my forks are a year old, better upgrade), even though they are still working?
  • 1 0
 Replace as they die. Things wear at different rates, of course, so I feel like that's the only way to have a bike that runs somewhat normally.
  • 1 0
 A good one for RC: What have you noticed about changing demographics and riding habits? The racing boom has come and gone. Previous mountain biking guidebooks have these incredible, remote rides, yet they don't even show up on the heatmaps because not a single person has ridden it with a GPS device. People used to ride big loops, not it's all about doing laps. Have mountain bikers gotten soft or is it just a consequence of having better options (downhill trail networks) closer at hand and busier schedules?
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 I totally agree with Henry on the Vittoria Mazza. One of the best tires I have ever used - super grippy on the granite out here in the northeast. HOWEVER, I have had 3 of the Trail versions fail on me in the last 3 months. All three tore at the base of a knob right through the casing causing me to flat instantly - two rear and one front. None of them were super worn, so it was a bit surprising. The first set of these that I bought were very durable, so I'm not sure why this has been happening recently? Is there a graphene shortage due to covid? Kidding of course, but seriously - is there a materials issue?
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 @mikelevy what are your thoughts on using a data system on the suspension on the field test bikes to put some numbers behind what the testers are feeling.

Second question how much setup time are these guys putting into the bikes?
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 @mikelevy @mikekazimer : in the this Pod you talk about replacement ebike component costs, as an employee of one of these companies, the components aren't exactly cheap, but its all relative.

Firstly id like to say a motor replacement is pricey, AUD 1200/ 1100CAD, but you have a 2-3 year warranty, then there is the offer of discounted sales past that. Batteries are the most expensive component, (AUD1000-1500, CAD900-1400) but you will see electronic repairers turn up overtime for those out of warranty.

When you compare costs to similar priced complete road bikes replacing Chainrings on a Dura ace crank or entire crank it adds up.$400 for a rings or $1000+ for a crank set, so motor and battery prices look alright now.

As these are major components of the bikes they will come with big repair costs, Just like buying a bike with a dodgy fork. The replacement is still a fraction of the overall bike value.

PS keep up the good work!
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 Hey @mikelevy and @mikekazimer, since we're coming into the dark and nasty season in the norther hemisphere, I'd love to hear an episode about foul weather tips. What do you wear when it's pissing out? What kind of bike cleaning routine do you have? Suspension settings and tire pressure when it's wet and slimy? How about lights, are there any that you like (even though I know you can ride in the middle of the day, and usually don't need them!). Most of you seem to live in the UK or PNW, so I know you have to deal with crap weather. Thanks!
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 I have spent the last few years dialing my short travel bike and am now looking to build up a longer travel (140mm or so rear) bike. With very few exceptions, it seems like the bikes are all the same (longer wheelbases, longer reaches, angles, etc...). Is this the best time (assuming you can get one) in a long time to buy a bike that is destined to remain en vogue for some time? It seems like angle have nowhere to go from here and everything now really hinges upon sizing and suspension feel than anything else. Am I really far off?
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 For those of us riding somewhere in the middle, (ie not racing, not gunning for KOMs, not hitting huge jumps, or extreme knar, but still doing long challenging rides and occasional park), what is the disadvantage of relatively agressive geometry, say 65 HTA, 75 STA, and a pretty long reach and high stack. My Ibis Ripmo V1 and Banshee Paradox V3 are comfortable to ride, climb well, and feel more confident on hard terrain than most current cross country bike. Is that steeper shorter bike faster on the climbs. If not, why would you want one.
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 Regarding the “underdog companies”, Levy I can’t believe you didn’t mention that Trust fork!

Anyway, I believe light e-enduros are a thing and I would expect them to influence the design of new enduro racing bikes, but I guess it’s just a matter of time until we will see them having the same range and power of full motorised ones that we have nowadays. Btw when will someone start to integrate a small seamless motor in them for stealth competition advantage like we saw already in road bike competitions?
  • 1 0
 And another question for the podcast: Are you going to set up a European based shop so we can buy pinkbike merch too, without having to wait weeks and pay a load of extra fees?

Well, I say "we". I'm a brit, so I have to pay fees regardless because we decided as a nation that we'd like to begin a regression to the middle ages, but that's another story.

Surely our new Outside overlords can't approve of all this lovely merch money being left on the table? (In case they're listening; I, for one, welcome our new corporate overlords)
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 @heneryquinney please tell me more about Vittoria tyres? Which casing and width do you run? Are you running inserts?
My new Norco Optic has 2.4" Trail casing Mazza on the front and a Martello on the rear. The Martello is my new favourite rear tyre. Interested to try them in wider casings on the Enduro bike
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 @henryquinney can you please tell me more about Vittoria tyres? Which casing and width do you run? Are you running inserts?
My new Norco Optic has 2.4" Trail casing Mazza on the front and a Martello on the rear. The Martello is my new favourite rear tyre. Interested to try them in wider casings on the Enduro bike
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 Hello there.

For a long while I was running a 2.6 Trail Mazza on the front then a mixture of Enduro and Trail casings on the rear. The Martello is a great tyre, I have to say. I really like it in changeable conditions over winter. However, I love the centre knobs to cornering transer the Mazza delivers. Without inserts, I'd probably 2.6 Mazza on the front and then either-or on the rear in a 2.35/2.4 in an Enduro casing.

My favourite setup is the one I've been running out here in Canada. I've moved away from the wider tyres as they're just too heavy for me and have been running 2.4 Mazzas in trail with Rimpact Pros front and rear. I feel this is a great mix to offer something that pedals well without the associated blindspots you might traditionally find with lighter tyres. But yeah, Vittoria are doing some great things, I have to say.
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 @henryquinney: Great info. Thank you! I have a Tannus Tubeless insert on my NP Mega, which I could use. I am currently running a maxxgrip assegai and maxx terra Dissector both in EXO plus casings on that bike. The Assegai is great (albeit slow) and the Dissector is ok (can let go briefly). I want something faster rolling on that bike and with a little more grip on the rear, so I have been considering Vittoria.

Did you ever do a front tyre group test (similar to the rear tyre one you did previously)? I'm a bit of a tyre nerd and would never tire (pun intended) of reading tyre tests. I recall you mentioning the Kenda Pinner in another podcast too.
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 Question: You might need to ask a friend about this one, but what rear shock would you recommend to a heavier rider? I am 230 and ride a ripmo AF and run the Topaz in the middle "trail position" even at bike parks. I recently sent the Topaz to be custom-tuned by DVO and hope that optimizes the shock to work better for my weight. Are there shocks that are known to support heavier riders better? It seems to me that the Fox VVT technology is promising in this regard? (or maybe I am reading too much into Fox's marketing?)

Also what bike upgrades would you recommend for a heavier rider. For me, larger brake rotors are the things that made the biggest difference and I am hoping to add custom tuning the rear shock to that list.
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 Re Sea Sucker racks, I work for a European Aerospace company and we use suction lifting beams to lift and move Carbon Fibre parts around, even up to full wings! If designed well it's fine.
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 For sure, and massive panes of glass and all that. But I'll still be driving down the road expecting my bike to fall through my side window, even though it's never moved even a millimeter and won't move at all. Might be a funny video to strap the 8-Ball to the top of a beater car and see exactly what kind of abuse it'll take before it pulls off haha
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 @mikelevy: I believe there is a rally car driver whom happens to be pretty decent at MTBing. He’d be perfect for the this kinda of test.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer mentions a website, I thought he said "grossbike" that lists bike industry jobs, but couldn't find on google search.
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 Ha, no, not grossbike - I mentioned Grow Cycling: jobs.growcyclingfoundation.org.
  • 2 0
 Glad my question was selected...sad about the answer. @mikekazimer @mikelevy if not a live podcast...can we get the mike vs mike video's back?
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 I'm just nervous to do live shows because I'll probably say something dumb. More dumb than usual, I mean. But yes, we'll have to get back to me winning the Mike v Mike videos now that the border is open again.
  • 3 0
 @mikelevy: podcasts don't have to be live, but i think we all want to see the outtakes and cut footage at sometime...behind the scenes at PB would be kinda interesting
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy: like calicartel said, a behind the scenes video would be cool. I'm imagining a wooden shack beneath some Northshore where the Mikebikers work from, but i expect the reality is a little different!
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 @Hillmanjames: I think both Kazimer and I aren't far off from being in a sweet wooden shack tbh
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 Regarding chain cleaning - do you reuse the quick links when taking off and putting on the old chain? You're not supposed to reuse them, right?
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 @mikelevy @mikekazimer
Seconding this, I bring a few used links long with a new spare on rides in case of multiple chain brakes. (not an issue I have yet to encounter but...) Should used 11 and 12 speed links be saved for limping out of the bush, or scrapped right away when pulled off the chain?
@brianpark could be a future PB Lab test here...
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 Yup, I reuse them all the time. Zero issues.
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 @mikelevy
@mikekazimer

Do you guys ever get drunk (or other stuff) and write / respond to comments you regret? I know I do that a few times a week!
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 No, never. Maybe.
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 Sounds like a new standard is on the way...."I can't get this press fit replacement motor to stop squeaking...I knew I should have got the frame with the threaded bottom bracket motor shell"
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 Definitely mispronounced my name... D Mack Ya Heard* But, thank you for brining up my question! I was excited to heard the opinions from the guys!

Next question... When can we expect to see an Orange bike in a field test??? They have a new mullet... and it would be sweet to see the new Switch 6 face off compared to the Bronson MX etc! Thanks again!
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 I do have to say that a coil shock on a bike with great pedaling to start with is still great. SB150 with a coil and even with fully open compression pedals great.
  • 2 0
 Is @mikelevy really a procrastinator? or does he secretly an expert project manager?
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 @brianpark am I an "Expert project manager" ?
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 How often do the tech editors ride their personal bikes? Do they only ride it when they don't have a bike to ride for a review?
  • 1 0
 Will Norco release a conversion kit so I can run my new Range as a 200mm DH bike when I travel to bikeparks?
If not I may need to cancel my order.
  • 1 1
 @mikekazimer , I posted on the VeloClub slack that someone (i.e. Dave Rome) needs to have a word with you about your chain lube recommendations

cyclingtips.com/2020/08/how-to-wax-a-chain-an-endless-faq
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 I'm sticking with my occasional application of Dumonde Tech Lite, unless I can find an unpaid intern with a crockpot that feels like waxing all of the chains on the bikes in the test fleet.
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 Transition has no ebike.
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 at the moment...
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 Don't tell doublecrownaddict. He'll cry here about it all day. If he can get help pedaling uphill, its not actually biking. BAD Transition. Bad.
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 They were who I was thinking of too.
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 Actually stood up for the guy initially when everyone was pounding on him but he's proven his sheer sub-teen douchery time & time again. No one douches (or whines) like doublecrownaddict!
  • 1 0
 Neither does Banshee...
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 I definitely agree with Henry, Vittoria tires are amazing! I’m a huge fan of the Mazza front and rear
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 Chamois field test?
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 Read my mind.
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 I forgot to take notes during class. What was that new fangled chain ring that does something similar to high pivot bikes?
  • 1 0
 The gist is that it lets the suspension move more freely and unhindered my drivetrain forces.
  • 1 0
 How did dentists get to be the butt of mountain bike jokes? They seem fairly benign, why not lawyers or tech bros?
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 Can I have a gate keeper tag?
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 Mike Kazmer "If e-bikes aren't expensive I don't want it."
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 Weird, that doesn't sound like something I'd say. I'll have to listen to this episode.
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 Question: when someone like Kaz is visiting does he stay with anyone in particular, in a rental or in his van?
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 bringing*

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