The SwitchGrade Will Allow Riders to Change Their Saddle Angle on the Fly

Jan 13, 2021
by Daniel Sapp  
SwitchGrade

Some of the greatest inventions have been born out of necessity and Noel Dolotallas, the founder of the SwitchGrade, has developed his product out of what he has seen as a need for not only himself but other riders as well.

Dolotallas had begun noticing a number of riders who were riding with a nose-down saddle position to help on steep climbs in his area of Western British Columbia, including the Sea to Sky area, North Shore, and Fraser Valley. Alas, at a height of 5'7" (170cm), having the rear of the saddle in the way, "blocking re-entry" as he says, was less than ideal for descending. This led to him frequently readjusting the saddle nose up, prior to descents. It was time-consuming and unpleasant, but the extra room was a huge help. Specialized's Command Post WU did something similar, but it came and went, never really catching on.

In thinking of an innovative way to solve the issue, Dolotallas contacted an engineer and industrial designer to help develop a proof of concept and create some prototypes. He claims to have even gathered some inspiration from Mike Kazimer's opinion article, "Why Is Everyone Talking About Seat Tube Angles?" and the discussion following it which helped his team validate their hypothesis and continue with development.

This video shows the action of how the SwitchGrade works.

What Is It?

The SwitchGrade is a simple, patent-pending mechanism that replaces a rider's seatpost rail clamp. It's made to be compatible with a wide range of fixed and dropper seat posts. It is built from a piece of solid 6061 T6 aluminum billet and features three locking positions. The positions are indexed, separated by 10°. The key benefit claimed of the SwitchGrade is that it provides riders the choice to optimize their saddle positions for each of the three major trail features they encounter on rides - climbing, descending, and flat.

For climbing, the SwitchGrade is claimed to improve biomechanical efficiencies for grinding out long, steep, or technical uphills by moving the rider forward and over the bottom bracket. According to Dolotallas this is a similar benefit to that of riding with a steeper seat tube angle amplified by the stable push point afforded by the saddle tilt which negates the climbing grade. For descending, riders can flip the lever which instantly creates more room to maneuver about the saddle. For undulating terrain, riders can choose to keep the saddle flat and adjust it as needed.

SwitchGrade
SwitchGrade


Dolotallas also believes the SwitchGrade will be helpful for adventure cyclists and bikepackers who spend hours on the saddle and want to ease pain and discomfort from pressure on the perineum and sit bones.

The team is in their final stages of refining its prototype in preparation for launching it this spring. For more information, check out their website, aenomalyconstructs.com





314 Comments

  • 306 7
 The angle of the dangle is directed related to the heat of the beat.
  • 71 1
 Nah...it's the pleat of the meat.
  • 92 3
 ....to the Mass in the Ass.
  • 64 2
 ...hang of the wang
  • 60 1
 I thought it was heat of the meat x mass of the lass?
  • 104 103
 More like to the dump of trump
  • 25 1
 The application of the lubrication is directly related to the perceptibility of the posterior post play.
  • 24 2
 ...long of the dong ...resty of the testie ...maint of the taint ...room for the shroom ...swells for your bells
  • 5 4
 @Kebabroll: only us brits will appreciate that one. Eek
  • 5 2
 I reckon its, (4/3 πr³)2 = V of 5318008
  • 22 9
 @karoliusz: This thang looks like it can impeach the peach! Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
  • 6 0
 I need to go back to school... I was taught that it was inversely proportional.
  • 9 0
 The Straddle of the Saddle and the Trend of the Send: A Play in Three Clicks
  • 4 0
 I’m way older than all of you... it’s the rise in your Levi’s .
  • 2 3
 ...space for the mace.
  • 1 0
 @johnski: Johnski of the thing that goes pee
  • 3 0
 . . . torque of the pork
  • 1 0
 *inversely proportional.
  • 202 1
 Hey guys, Noel here - guy behind the SwitchGrade! Just out doing some product testing / riding but happy to answer questions the best I can.

Off the cuff:
- approx weight as shown is ~170 grams. But because it replaces standard rail clamps which average 60-70 g, net gain is around 100grams
- after months of testing absolutely zero play and zero creaking.
- lever can be run front or back
- compatible with a wide range of seatposts and saddles
- easily rebuildable

I’m going to be updating the website a lot over the next few days so check back for more info.

Thanks for the positive vibes!

- Noel
  • 8 0
 Really cool idea. Like a lot of folks.. had a specialized Wu that came on a bike. Interesting idea but flawed execution for a variety of reasons. I did like the angled up seat on the dh

Question I have on this is if you see this being more beneficial on bikes with slacker seat tubes to start? Also, can you speak to the saddle height change (if any)?
  • 8 0
 @Jcmonty: thanks! The SwitchGrade will definitely be boon for those with slack STA’s as it moves you forward over the BB. But it’s also beneficial for those with steep STA’s because it can get tiring being forced forward especially on long rides.

As far as stack goes, the prototype raises stack by around 10mm but that is offset by the tilt which is about 20mm. I’ll share a video on Instagram about that soon.
  • 10 0
 This is an amazing idea, super excited to see when it's finally available to the public. I absolutely love all the small groups coming up with new ideas and ways of doing things. You guys rock!!
  • 3 3
 What’s the stack height difference in reference to the standard seat?
  • 11 0
 you have a pending customer. as a bmxer and DHer first, i've always hated my flat saddle in the down position. nose up please
  • 15 26
flag Boxmtb (Jan 13, 2021 at 18:03) (Below Threshold)
 Solution to a problem I never had? Yes please.
  • 11 1
 Great concept, should consider making a remote lever that can be integrated with a dropper lever
  • 17 0
 I think that is a great idea and made one for my self a few years back. Looks good. Thumbs up.

www.pinkbike.com/video/525107
  • 2 0
 I know it's too early to say, but what would one of these puppies cost in AUD? Just a rough cost, love the idea
  • 2 0
 @stefanroussev: I saw the article title and thought it may have actually been yours. I've seen you post yours in the forums before.
  • 7 0
 Don't really want another lever, but love the idea. Would be awesome if it could be connected to the dropper somehow. Tilt forward when up, tilt back when down
  • 4 0
 @yale986 Looks like a brilliant execution to a problem a lot of people have. Well done! I have two questions:

1. How much stack height is there above the mounting point? Have you experienced bottom outs on seats which have a lot of flex or are low in profile?
2. What price range will this land in? I couldn't find anything anywhere.

(Also link to website doesn't work properly in article.)
  • 4 0
 Love the concept. I run all my bikes with a slight front of saddle down tilt to aid climbing. Protects the perineum on the flats and helps hugely on climbs, especially on the enduro bike. Would be great to be able to vary the angle along the way.
  • 1 0
 @DylanH93: thank you!
  • 1 0
 @trickland: it will vary from post to post. In the photos, the SwitchGrade is mounted to a Scada Relevo post and the increase in stack is only 5mm vs original rails.
  • 1 0
 @5afety3rd: 100 you got it!
  • 1 0
 Really like the concept. Looking forward to seeing it on the market
  • 4 0
 @megatryn: Thanks!

1(a) The photo shows the SwitchGrade mounted to a Scada seatpost and the stack increase was a nominal 5mm but consider that with tilt the rear up or down you either gain 20mm for climbing or lose 20mm for descending

1(b) The prototype has ample clearance for most saddles. The photos and videos on my website show the SwitchGrade hosting an Ergon SM Enduro saddle with a deep centre channel and no conflict. The production model will be even lower and sleeker in profile.

2. Pricing is still being determined.

Yes you're right - but the website works if you go directly to www.aenomalyconstructs.com. I think the PB link is broken.
  • 2 0
 @headshot: That is the perfect use case for the SwitchGrade - you nailed it!
  • 2 8
flag Balgaroth (Jan 14, 2021 at 1:11) (Below Threshold)
 Idea is pretty interesting, but 100gr penalty is a bit much IMO since it is placed high on the bike and I usually appreciate a light saddle. But I am sure with a bit of refinement going down to 120gr is possible and would definitely consider it. I'd rather have the tilt I have on my DH bike rather than more drop so looking forward to see how this develops.
  • 1 0
 @yale986 Noel can this be combined with the seatpost lever so it automatically adjusts according to the saddle height?
  • 1 0
 @Ktron: Noel's idea is great, but dropper manufacturers will steal the idea, making his system redundant pretty quick.
  • 3 0
 @Ktron: I've been saying this for years. If the seat can tilt further back as you lower the seat, that would be ideal. Then some how set limits to how far forward and how far back.
  • 1 0
 @blazekelly: The idea is pretty old , Shimano had a similar concept I believe in late nineties but did not come to life for whatever reason. I have a second different prototype in the works as well. Fist one was to expensive for mass production. I am still using it however 5 years later.
  • 1 0
 How much will it cost, I want one!
  • 1 1
 @willdavidson9595: second prototype is still on the drawing board. Soon will make it materialize and I would have rough idea. Sorry for the vague answer. Early rough estimate is between $200 - $300 at early production times.
  • 1 0
 Hello Noel, a few questions about your product:

How much additional stack height does the SwitchGrade add, some frames seat tubes incorporate a bend in them, limiting how far one could insert the dropper into the frame. Some frames also have tall seat tubes, another compatibility issue.

Personally I would not want to buy a premium dropper post to adjust the travel of the dropper, to further compensate for any additional stack height increases.

Is this product patented? Curious if any significant companies have interest in your SwitchGrade.

As for refinements, what other materials could you construct the SwitchGrade from, to provide multiple options to buyers with differing budgets.

Does the SwitchGrade use sealed cartage bearings? A rubberized glove or grip on the main lever?

I noticed the 3 small lips on the lever, but I think that would be uncomfortable to people who ride without gloves. What about a mud shroud to keep out dirt or rocks?

How low profile can the SwitchGrade be made, in terms of how small you can make it but keep it strong enough. What about different length levers, to fit a variety of saddle lengths and sizes.

Also what about the ability to adjust ones saddle along the rails, can you still do that?

Thanks, Hayden
  • 1 0
 @Ktron: Idk who makes it but I know that that that concept of a dropper is on the market today.
  • 1 0
 @yale986: you say it raises by 10mm but what is this vs? It looks like it’s be a lot more vs something like the oneup where the rails mount below the head. Very cool concept but I don’t know if it’d work on bike like SC low mount frames where I’d give up too much travel for tilt.
  • 1 0
 Nice product! Thanks for addressing my creaking concerns. Hope there's a changeable busing in there or the like...
  • 2 0
 @Sethimus: perhaps in a future version Wink
  • 1 0
 @phutphutend: we'd be happy to speak with potential partners!
  • 2 0
 @stefanroussev: that's sweet!
  • 2 0
 @Rusher02: still working on pricing details - will share soon
  • 1 0
 When I first looked at this in the list of articles I thought it looked kind of dumb, but then I read the article and looked at the prototype pictures, and realised that this is actually a brilliant idea. I'm not sure if we have long enough consistently steep enough rides here in Eastern Ontarion/Western Quebec, but I can see many areas where this could definitely come to be very handy. I'll keep an eye out for further developments, this is quite smart.
  • 1 0
 @yale986: What seatposts would this work on? I see you have it on a Fox Transfer but is it designed to work with others?
  • 1 1
 I like the idea, but I don't like the big 10 degree angle change. A couple of degrees can make a huge difference and this seems to be a big angle change with each click. Once one finds their ideal angle I don't see much need to change it. That said, this could be a great tool for bike shops to help customers both road and mountain to test a different angle from what thye're used to. @yale986 I'd like to see this with less than 10 degree angle changes. 2.5 would be ideal. Just my two cents as a bike shop guy, but then again who listens to bike shops anymore...
  • 1 0
 @arghana: thanks! To be honest, my original thoughts were that a rider would only need to change angles before going up, then again before going down. With the action of the SwitchGrade being so fast and seamless I find myself eating crow and using it countless times per ride. Even I didn’t anticipate that - to the point that we had to pivot radically between proof of concept to later prototype versions. Has been an eye opener!

Thanks for the support!
  • 1 0
 @CDABikeCo: here in the Pacific Northwest we have long climbs: short to very long (ie 3+ hours) and a dog’s breakfast of technical and FSR’s. Some would say of the “winch and plummet” variety but that’s limiting. The pitches here can get ugly - up to 20° - 25° range and it’s not possible to sustain standing climbing that long. The SwitchGrade was designed so the rider could optimize power and efficiency going up and save energy for the fun part! What I’ve found works for me and how I climb is that I keep my ‘flat’ position with nose slightly down at -2°. I use this position for climbs less than 10°. For anything steeper I switch it to nose down -12°. That still leaves me 6° nose up for descending and boom! Let the good times roll!!!

- Noel
  • 1 0
 @harmar: yes it’s been tested on the Fox transfer, Oneup, Raceface, Brand X - which is the same as many of the PNW lines, TranzX. We are currently refining the SwitchGrade to work across a very wide range of seatposts which I’ll confirm once tests are conclusive.
  • 1 0
 @Jesse221: the Oneup clamp is a masterful work of art and boasts the lowest profile of any clamp on the market - full marks for being patented too! The SwitchGrade for sure is higher but the value is that you can run a shorter seatpost - which can then be slammed further into the seat tube - and still lose nothing in travel! Then reason being, the SwitchGrade provides ~20mm extra “functional” travel when it pivots 10°. To clarify, if you ran a 150mm seatpost, you would have the realized benefit of an effective 170mm post but better yet - with the tilt you tack on the advantage of having a solid platform to keep you from sliding off then back on steep climbs, and your legs, core and arms would not fatigue nearly as fast! By the way, I’ve been testing on a SC Nomad with 170mm Zeb up front and 170mm coil out back.

Hope that helps!
  • 1 0
 @trickland: that's hard to answer as each post is different in height and length. The SwitchGrade will run a few mm above your given rail clamp BUT because of the tilting mechanism, the nose or rear can either fall or raise around 20mm which translates to: it's higher when and where you need it for climbing, and lower when and when you need it for descending. I say "where and when" because for climbing, you want the saddle to be nose down/rear up, and the reverse for descending ie, nose up/rear down.
  • 1 0
 @5afety3rd: Great!! Smile
  • 1 0
 @Sethimus: now you're talking! We have some ideas in mind but will take it a step at a time. Be sure to follow along on our website or Instagram for updates!
  • 3 0
 @Hayden2248MTB: phewf! let's give it a go!

1a. re: stack height - The SwitchGrade as seen added about 5mm more height vs the one it replaced - I'm referring to the rail clamp assembly.

1b. re: interrupted seat tubes - The SwitchGrade was purpose-made to address the problem posed by interrupted seat tubes! Now, riders can run shorter travel posts eg 150mm, but effectively have around a 170mm post for climbing because the nose-down tilt adds ~20mm height to the rear portion of the saddle. Stay tuned for a video explaining/showing this.

1c. re: tall seat tubes - The SwitchGrade also answers this dilemma in that, again, taller riders can use shorter posts but still have the effective height as a longer one. A big benefit for tall riders is that the nose-down climbing position effectively adds 1.5 to 2 degrees of effective seat tube angle change depending on post length. This position moves taller riders forward much closer to being centred over the bb.

2. re patented - The SwitchGrade is patent pending.

3. We're using 6061 T6 aluminum. Later version may explore more exotic materials

4. No bearings. Current prototype featured a bushing. The production model will be different but I'll defer to the design team's input, stay tuned! So far the lever has not proved to be slippery despite the wet - cool idea though.

5. The small size of the SwitchGrade is exactly why this product has taken years to develop - it's no small challenge to fit the functionality of the SwitchGrade in a space roughly the size of a Hot Wheels car AND make it tough.

6. Yes you can still place the saddle anywhere fore and aft within the saddle's provided limits
  • 1 0
 does it effect the saddle flex at all? or is it clear most saddles to where thats not an issue.. kinda hard to tell in pictures
  • 3 0
 @yale986: interesting, ill be keeping my eye on this. My oneup at 200mm has been great and I can barely fit it at 210mm so in theory I could set it to 190 and possibly still fit. I do like a tilted back saddle on steeper descents like my DH bike if I could get it.
  • 1 0
 @onelivinlarge: the prototype stands a bit tall but the production version will be lower profile. Even now though, the prototype does not conflict with deep channel saddles.
  • 1 0
 @Sethimus: no, as of right now the SwitchGrade is designed as a standalone product only
  • 104 1
 That sound though....whew things I’d do for a nice click.
  • 78 0
 Pinkbike editors feel the same way.
  • 29 2
 Convince me that this thing won't creak like hell once it gets some use on it.
  • 4 1
 @CamNeelyCantWheelie: It wont. There you go.
  • 19 0
 We built it purposely to have a loud audible effect to give the rider confidence that the system engaged properly. It’s a pretty satisfying click!
  • 94 2
 This is so awesome! I’ve had this idea in the past but couldn’t figure out how to make it happen. I hope it works great and good luck to them. I’m sure in the future it will only get more dialed and many people will use them.
  • 14 0
 I always thought it would be rad if the seat automatically changed angle when the dropper was used...if this makes a big difference then maybe in the future???
  • 32 1
 @unrooted: specialized already made a dropper that auto angle-adjusts when you raise/lower it. Didn't sell very well.
  • 4 0
 @scar4me: yeah that is mentioned in the article. The stack height was huge so I think that is why it didn't catch on
  • 22 1
 @scar4me: they didn't because the execution was bad and they had only 120mm of drop or so. The idea of combined drop/tilt mechanism is still the way to go imho. Too bad S is sitting on the patent now and no other company can try it.
  • 4 1
 @scar4me: yeah I had it $450 I think. Then the seat angle got locked in the descend position with an hour of saddle time left in my ride. Never again.
  • 6 0
 ...and thats the bottom line, cause Brett Tippie said so!!
  • 1 0
 @scar4me: pre plus size and 29 explosion. The seat angle adjust is a great idea. Sure spez did it but were ahead of the curve
  • 1 0
 @scar4me: I had a Wu dropper on my Enduro, it was cool at first, but failed. Too many moving parts.
  • 2 0
 @scar4me: If I remember correctly that was also the post that would obliterate your manhood with the speed it shot upwards. It alway put me off considering it.
  • 6 0
 Thanks Brett! That means a lot. This concept has sat in my sketch book since 1997 if you can believe that! Just decided to finally do something about it. Thanks for the positive vibes ????
  • 2 0
 @bretttippie - great minds think alike! The SwitchGrade is just the start with more disruptive concepts to follow. But as they say... baby steps!
  • 4 0
 Thats one helluva endorsement right there folks
  • 2 0
 @scar4me: the spec saddle was a great idea poorly executed, it sagged, badly, so many sealing issues and wasn't enough drop.also was 34.9 only so limited aftermarket at the time. they had so many warranty claims they canned it after a season.
  • 2 0
 how about a seat that magically folds up and disappears in the lowest position
  • 1 0
 @UncleAnti: we think so too! Grateful!
  • 66 0
 I though dropper posts were the dumbest thing when they first appeared on the market. I will not make that mistake again. Looking forward to seeing where this goes! Cool concept!
  • 27 1
 I remember rolling my eyes the first time I saw a dropper in the wild, seemed like such a waste of money to add so much weight to a bike...now I can’t ride a bike with a regular seat post!
  • 5 1
 soon our bike seats will come with more adjustments than our car seats! Maybe the will come with AC for the summer time at some point too Razz
  • 4 0
 @monkeybizz: sounds cool!
  • 1 0
 Thank you! Pretty stoked at how it’s turned out. I was the same about droppers as well but mostly concerning durability. They’ve come a long way since.
  • 1 0
 @monkeybizz: now there’s an idea ????!
  • 2 0
 @yale986: Hey man, when that idea goes big, just sign me up for the royalties Razz
  • 38 18
 What happened to set and forget ? Does it really make that much of a difference ?
  • 53 35
 Do you actually ride?
  • 38 9
 @radrider: I do. And honestly had to check it's not April the 1st.
  • 24 12
 @radrider: I actually ride quite frequently and still don't see the point of this. Set your seat at a neutral angle and let the dropper post manage the rest. The description in the article about re-entry angle seems like an old school problem that was solved with dropper posts and their ability to move the saddle out of the way. Unless you are raising your post back up BEFORE you move your body over the saddle, I don't see the issue. Cool engineering though.
  • 5 0
 @Poulsbojohnny: Yeah, the re-entry thing seems like it would be solved with a longer dropper or perhaps a narrower saddle. I am curious if being able to have the saddle flat while pedaling flat ground and nose down while climbing would make a large difference in overall comfort. I'm interested.
  • 3 0
 @Poulsbojohnny: exactly - the dropper is already doing the HUGE majority of what this thing is for
  • 22 2
 @radrider:

I ride. Thousands of feet of elevation at a time. Often.

I’ve never once considered the angle of my saddle, aside from level in my garage.
  • 8 1
 @hllclmbr: Really? I mostly never consider it because I know it's a giant pain in the ass to change. You find the best angle for most riding and you leave it because what other choice is there? I could definitely see this being fun to play around with when you're riding different grades.
  • 4 1
 I tilted back at the top of every climb for many years and still do for lift days. Feels so much "righter" going down. If you can't tell the difference, that's cool.
  • 2 1
 Stay crushing your choad.
  • 3 0
 @hllclmbr: what if I told you you're just looking at the shadow of your seat on the garage wall.
  • 4 13
flag glenno (Jan 13, 2021 at 14:26) (Below Threshold)
 @radrider: 24+ years of mountain biking, 10 + years of mtn bike coaching and several years of racing nation downhill series... own several mountain bikes. Yeeeeeeep I ride alright. So I set my bike seat angle on my bike, ride it, tweek it to the sweet spot then leave it. Why would you want to change angles throughout a ride ? Since when do you ride using your butt ? lol
  • 3 8
flag suspended-flesh (Jan 13, 2021 at 14:59) (Below Threshold)
 @deez-nucks: Then it should be slammed and angled upwards slightly cuz that looks bitchen. Pointed down looks XC and i don;t care how much it might help - not gonna do it.
  • 4 1
 @glenno: People have different shaped bodies. If you have long legs and run a high seat post, you need to angle down for pedalling to work. When you slam the seat on the dropper, the steep angle gets accentuated, leaving the back of the saddle high and awkward. Maybe it's a niche demographic - but the use case is definitely out there.
  • 1 0
 @deez-nucks: then truth would be literally nothing but the shadows.
  • 4 3
 @Linc: @Linc: Regardless of body shapes and size the seat position does not require to move. If you have slammed your seat post down then you shouldn't be sitting on your seat, you should be standing on your pedals. Seats are for climbing and riding flat ground, otherwise slam it out of the way and stand on your pedals.
  • 6 0
 @glenno: Yeah nah - 1) If you're tall, it's impossible to get the seat as out of the way as you need for proper DH using a dropper post - even at 210mm drop (which I have), tilting the back helps. 2) When you blow your feet off the pedals, would you prefer to land on a nicely rear tilted seat, or a hard sharp back seat edge. This is why BMXers / DHers run rear tilted seats 3) Many DHers are as particular about how the seat interacts with the inside of their legs when corners as they are about bar setup. Having a neutral seat angle is much nicer to brace against when chopping through fast corners.
  • 6 0
 @Linc:
How on Earth does the saddle get in the way when you have 210mm drop? My mind is blown
  • 2 0
 @glenno: thanks for the resume. If your sweet spot going uphill is the same as going downhill, then I just dont know what to tell you.

If your seat is out and out of the way when you drop it..then you aren't riding steep enough DH.. If you aren't using your seat to improve the stability of yourself in rough/dh/turns then you are really far from an expert and have no business teaching.
  • 1 0
 "set and forget" -Ronco Showtime Rotisserie oven
  • 3 0
 @radrider: harsh but fair
  • 1 0
 @Linc: Agreed and I don't think our demographic is so niche - this is a sport where 90% of the power is generated by legs... I'm wagering we've got a decent proportion (pun intended) of "T-Rex's" like me
  • 18 2
 This is very cool. Problem with the specialized Wu is that it was always angled down when the post was slammed which was annoying if you just wanted to sit for a second on level terrain.

I’d buy one of these.
  • 3 0
 You mean angled up, right?
  • 3 1
 @Chuckolicious: I suppose that depends on how you're looking at the saddle.
  • 4 0
 Yeah saddle angle is always where the nose is pointing as that’s the part that matters
  • 4 0
 @johannensc: “This is the kind of pedantic nonsense up with which I will not put!” – Good 'ol Winston
  • 16 1
 If this design holds promise, I could definitely see a big company buying or licensing it to use integrated into a post. While most people don't need it, enough do that it could certainly be a selling point.
  • 4 2
 New trek slash
  • 43 1
 Scott need to get behind this! More cables! We need more cables!
  • 4 0
 Canyon needs to buy it so they can have a Shapeshifter suspension and seat post.
  • 5 0
 @PB-J: once Scott figures out wireless, the cockpit of the Genius is going to look like a Goldwing
  • 1 0
 @sjma: @sjma: And their already high prices will fly to space Big Grin
  • 33 20
 Raises the seat, adds weight and complexity, not cheap, and it's not really a need (call it a thneed).

Nice job engineering a solution, but I think the problem it solves is pretty minimal.
  • 14 4
 I would love one!
  • 29 9
 If you're worried about this raising the seat you can just let some air out of your tires. Problem solved.
  • 8 4
 @mi-bike: worried about overall seat post stack, not altitude sickness...
  • 6 0
 @mi-bike: bro yer on to somethin
  • 3 0
 @mi-bike: Pure Genius!
  • 4 1
 all you said can be said of droppers, damn, it can be said about bikes themselves.
  • 1 0
 @iiman: Eek now that IS genius right there.
  • 1 1
 @mi-bike: or go on a diet and make my butt less fat ...
  • 2 0
 I with you... but still there is a niche... and hopefully guy makes some money. I'm always upset that I didn't think of or follow through on ideas like this.

It looks and sounds of high quality... not sure what the price point will be though.

I don't need or want one... but I could see paying $50ish for it.
  • 4 1
 This is actually a huge problem for riders with long legs running enduro bikes at pedalable saddle heights. Solves a real problem for many riders.
  • 1 0
 @bluenext: Just the back
  • 1 0
 We are way past that at this point in the bike game. Now its all about the neat things.
  • 15 4
 Ill wait til its combined with a dropper.
  • 27 14
 Apparently looking at photos is hard?
  • 15 1
 @NorCalNomad: dropper-lever actuation
  • 7 0
 Specialized did it a few years ago with the command post wu. Haven't heard much about it since it launched, so it must not have been much of a hit.

kylesbikes.com/specialized-command-post-wu-seatpost-black.html
  • 1 0
 @NorCalNomad: I think he means integrated, as in it changes angle automatically as the post goes up and down, like the Specialized post (not sure why it didn’t take off??)
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 @ninjatarian:

It was because the dropper would be very long but only have 125mm of drop
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 My bike came with the Wu. It worked fine, but that 115mm (I think) of travel as the problem. My XC bike has that.
  • 2 0
 Bmx style pivotal seats integrated with dropper posts would be awesome.
  • 1 0
 @JSTootell: It was 115mm, but because of the way the rear of the seat lifted, it was 150mm effectively...
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 @deadmeat25: The pointy end of the saddle bouncing between my thighs says that is a lie lol
  • 1 0
 @JSTootell: A ruler does not lie...
  • 9 0
 Love the click but with tiny seat posts and 170mm droppers on medium sized bikes is the seat ever actually in the way anymore?
  • 5 2
 Even with my post all the way down and the post fukky in the frame I often notice almost getting caught on the back of the seat. Hasn't happened but the same thought the designer had has crossed my mind many a time. There's good reason the seat gets pointed up on a dh bike.
  • 2 0
 @friendlyfoe: I accidentally downvoted because of mobile, but +1 to this. Anything I can do to get that seat out of the way!
  • 1 0
 Absolutely yes
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 This is sit.
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 Is this it?
  • 1 0
 This is it?
  • 6 2
 Hey,
wouldn´t it be better to change the Bar/Stemheight on the fly, like a seatpost?
Low -for agressive climbing,
high - for agressive decending?

If someone designs this now - I would like to have the first production item.
  • 5 6
 I also want adjsutable stem length and adjustable rise sweep and tip angle on my bars. Oh and ajustable grip size and feel. What about adjsutable tire pressure, wheel width and size. Oh adjustable hub noise pitch and volume....now that would be awsome. The marketing folks should come up with some great stuff as all their bikes are sold out for the next 6 month. They have lots of time to sit around and come up with the next great must have items on our bikes.
  • 17 0
 They are called elbows
  • 1 1
 The best DH riders run a pretty low setup, all things considered.
  • 1 0
 This was done a couple of years ago.
  • 1 0
 there was a kickstarter for this but execution was bad
  • 1 0
 +1 I always thought it would be nice to lock my fork deeper into the travel (at least sagged) to make climbing for efficient.
  • 1 0
 @vRidge: they have straps that do exactly that. www.vecnum.com/en/products/leveloc
  • 1 0
 @hllclmbr: for 5 minute all out efforts.
  • 4 0
 @vRidge: Old fox talas. They have adjustable travel from 110-140 with a switch
  • 1 0
 @pink505:
yes an equalizer for the rearhub noise !!
or way better:
we employ "Kraftwerk" for designing a proper hub sound.
  • 1 0
 @OldschoolOlaf: how about a clothes peg and a playing card?
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 @Nplusoneequalsone:

I like oldschool!
  • 4 0
 Seems like it could be relatively easy to integrate into an AXS type design. There’s already a motor in the post head, why not attach a gear/cam type mech in there that changes angle with height when the button is pressed? Or maybe a switch at the bottom-out point in the dropper that actuates the angle? SRAM, help us out here!
  • 4 1
 This is a really great idea. Use cases definitely go way beyond mountain biking. This is a common issue with road and gravel and I've thought that there must be a better way in the past. Signed up for notification when they are ready for sale. Hopefully it isn't the price of a dropper but I can really see this being a high value for those that ride in areas with steep climbs.
  • 6 1
 Specialized Wu Dropper absolutly ahead of the game, wish this was the common standard, seat angle is huge
  • 5 0
 new update for the ejector seat just add a thud buster to that mess with some streamers and a honky horn
  • 2 0
 Hahaha ya beat me to it!
  • 3 1
 This thing makes no sense.
On a mountain bike you set the saddle for climbing comfort, and on the descent it's at the height of your knees because of dropper posts.
If you only ride DH / park you set the saddle for looks and whatever's comfortable when sitting still and chatting with your friends.
  • 3 0
 I would really love to see the marketing video of a guy oh so comfortably descending a trail sat down. Please make this video happen, please
  • 5 0
 Looks cool, but not my problem.
  • 2 1
 Re building this into a dropper: I wonder if you could make the seat clamp mechanism a horizontal cylinder with three holes with a fairly strong spring that centres the cylinder to the middle position, which would give the 'flat' saddle position, and a spring operated bolt that sits in one of those three holes.

Then pressing the dropper post button could release the dropper *and* the seat angle bolt and you apply your weight to either the front, back or middle of your saddle to drop the post and set the angle simultaneously. If your post is already fully extended you could just blip the button and shift your weight forward on the saddle to rotate it into the nose down position, without dropping it.

If you had the saddle part way down but now wanted the nose pointing up you could shift your weight to the back but not move your bum up or down, press the dropper button and it would just point up, but stay at roughly the same height.

Would that work I wonder...
  • 1 0
 Ok I’m going to be the one to ask the real questions: What’s the correct/optimal saddle angle and or saddle to not smash your prostate and or perineum on long lumpy rides. Asking for me as my undercarriage is suffering in middle age
  • 6 0
 Saddle with a cutout.. is your answer.
  • 14 1
 Prostate...? Er... sure you still had the saddle attached to the seatpost?
  • 3 0
 @stingmered: oh wait till you get to middle age lad... I’d get a sore arse sitting on a f*cking rubber ring these days
  • 2 0
 often times cyclists have tilted hips. I'm sure someone knows the technical term. I was getting numbness on road rides and the bike fitter actually raised the nose of the seat up (counterintuitive to me) so that it basically was meeting my hips where they tilted. This solved quite a bit. Also yeah get a saddle with a cutout. I use the Selle Italia SLR Superboost or something like that.
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 @Peskycoots: ha ha, I’m already there pal! there’s a reason the doc uses a lubed finger for your health MoT... it’s pretty far up there, not sure how an uncomfy saddle would cause it pain. Your hoop: definitely, but Prostate...? In fact, I don’t want to devote too much time to that thought really...
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 @stingmered: ok maybe I’m exaggerating a touch but the general outline of my complaint still stands, modern saddles taint too forgiving. I’m going to look up one of them cut out saddles
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 @Austin014: thanks I’ll look into that
  • 2 0
 I found SQLabs saddles are very comfortable and reduce pressure and discomfort for me down there. In my experience saddles with larger cutouts made things worse.
  • 2 0
 Sometimes width and shape are the culprit, if you feel pressure between your sitbones you may need a wider or flatter saddle that supports the bottom of your pelvis. And you can feel a 1cm difference, so if your saddle is a 134mm you might just need 142 or 150 to feel way better. And for shape, saddles that are rounded in the sitbone area (the wide part) look anatomical but flatter ones support most people’s sitbones better while keeping saddle pressure off the bits. That’s what the cutout or channel is all about.

Saddle angle, try running it level. If your saddle has padding, figure that will compress a bit in the rear as you shouldn’t be sitting on the nose.. so nose a bit lower than level if it’s somewhat cushy. If you still feel pressure drop the nose a few more degrees.
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 @emptybe-er: ok thanks you’ve actually given me plenty to explore
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 @thatalexguy: that is something I had heard about cutouts, apparently they can up the pressure elsewhere. I’ll check the sqlabs saddles, cheers
  • 2 1
 "Dolotallas also believes the SwitchGrade will be helpful for adventure cyclists and bikepackers who spend hours on the saddle and want to ease pain and discomfort from pressure on the perineum and sit bones"

Or just Just buy a brooks B17 saddle!
  • 1 0
 Anyone riding for hours would not welcome abrupt 10 degree saddle angle changes for sure. +/- 1-2 degrees is noticeable on a road or gravel bike. 10 is huge.
  • 3 1
 I was told the b17 was comfy, but I've put hundreds of hours into mine and I wouldn't get rid of it, but I can't say it's very comfortable either
  • 1 0
 @nordland071285:
The more you ride it the better they get. I bought one new before riding from Morocco back to the UK, the first few days were savage, by the end after 100miles per day I didn’t even need bin shorts!
  • 1 0
 If dropper posts had this mechanism integrated everyone could cope with much less dropper travel. Maybe 120mm posts would be the new 200 mm. I think they should redesign seat / seatpost junction to allow an easier and cleaner mean to do all this togheter....I've thinking about this for years
  • 3 1
 Would anyone else like a dropper that slides your saddle forward a couple inches at full height? This would create the feel of a steep seat tube, keeping weight forward (over the cranks) in seated climbs. #TallGuyProblems
  • 1 0
 Absolutely this. Can also recommend trying to find an old Fizik Thar (29er 'specific' saddle). Had straight rails at the back so you can slam the seat forward. Not many around though now.
  • 1 0
 Or just get a bike with a suitable ST angle so there's no need for gimmicks
  • 1 0
 I know this wasn't the point of your post but when you come to replace your bike have a look at the Geometron G1. The seat tube is very steep and is pretty much designed around tall people! I'm 6'2 on an XLongest and there's an even bigger size available if that's not enough...
  • 1 0
 Where's the picture with a saddle? I'm curious how much room there is between the base of the saddle and the top of that unit.....saddles are meant to flex a certain amount and saddle manufacturers can't make rails too low as it can't pass testing.
  • 1 0
 Check the Instagram . They have a few shots
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 @Jcmonty: I see lots of saddles breaking in the future.
  • 1 0
 Seat angle has been one of my biggest gripes riding my trail bike. Coming from a DH background I always prefer having a nose up seat for the steeps. This causes my lower back to hurt on the climbs from pelvic rotation. This would certainly be a solution to my problems!
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 Hadn´t Specialized had that in one of their droppers a few years ago ? In my memory their solution was integrated in the post. I think as good as the idea is, manufactures could integrate a saddle tilt into future dropper post without adding an other parts onto the actual post.
BUT. Heats of to everyone who thinks about stuff and takes action to build it. This drives progression.
  • 1 0
 I love the idea of this. Someone runs a long dropper, saddle is in that climbing position, then drop the saddle mid ride, then do a 1 hander to adjust the angle of the saddle, then change gear. Why not switch their suspension settings front and rear from climb mode to descend mode... or Someone runs a longer dropper, buys this, fits it then realises it doesnt work as the rear of the saddle is now going to contact the rear wheel at full travel when they bottom out, taking out that dropper!! Good luck with your invention. It looks interesting for a minority who want to take instagram photos, not sure this will look that great though for them on those insta photos.
  • 1 0
 Might be a candidate for dumbest product of all time. I find it hilarious that bike companies have been going longer and longer, and now bikes are so long that people are forced to change the angle of their damn saddle to actually have a pedallable position. And why in the world would you want to change the angle of your saddle on a descent?! I get changing for doing TBogs and pinching on a DH run, but those would account for a market of about 16. And if you’re an XCer, why would you bother with this over a dropper if it’s gonna add nearly all the weight back while giving you ~20% of the benefit. I’d like to see some pro bike fitters have a field day with this ill thought contraption.
  • 1 0
 I like the idea of it, for me I don't think it will be very useful as an xc and enduro rider. I would like to try it, sound interesting to tilt it forward when climbing. I see that the biggest down side for me is the amount of leverages there are in the bike: dropper, sus, gears and now plus tilting the saddle could be too much and forgot to enjoy the ride.
  • 1 0
 This is cool! A couple years back I was wishing someone had an integrated dropper that allowed for changing the seat angles as well. I imagine if you had integration with a dropper in one it would have a little less stack height.
  • 3 0
 we're going there. if you combine this with a dropper - and it tilts the saddle back when lowering, i'd be in.
  • 1 0
 Thats not the whole point of this thing. Its also built to tilt the nose done while riding uphill.
  • 3 0
 They gonna add a remote version to add it to the handlebar to fill the empty spot on the left side?
  • 2 1
 Cool you can go from nose down climbing nerd to nose up bike park bro...now if could only change your riding kit too with a lever flick to match your seat angle... Just another worthless unnecessary product...
  • 1 0
 I didn’t know my nose down saddle made me a nerd
  • 1 0
 Wasn't there a patent filed by Sram in 2019 or 2020 for a dropper with an adjustable saddle angle? I can't seem to find it via a search on Pinkbike but I am 99% sure I read about it.
  • 1 0
 Man, if they price this thing reasonably, I think it will really take off big time. I also hope this creates enough buzz to spur Specialized to fix their dropper...The concept is great.
  • 3 1
 This isn't a solution that I need but I could see how a shorter right might. Cool solution. Great positive click.
  • 3 2
 But you could probably get the saddle lower anyway without that contraption underneath you seat as the stack high would increase
  • 1 0
 It's not for DH only, it enables you to angle the saddle downward for steep climbing, flat for flat roads, and upward for DH. Look at the other posts on Instagram. It seems to be a first iterationso it can get smaller, lighter, bring more freedom to seat tube angle design.
  • 2 0
 Awesome. If it works, I want one. For all my bikes except the BMX or road...
  • 3 1
 I put a quick release on one of the bolts to achieve this...it’s shit.
I’d buy one of these for sure.
  • 1 2
 I don't really get it, but apparently some do. So good job. I run a hyper extended dropper post when climbing: As in, under normal riding conditions, it's ~1cm from max extension and then when it gets super steep, I jack that thing up and scoot forward on the nose and it's almost like standing, but I'm still keeping weight on the rear wheel for max traction.
  • 1 0
 this is brilliant! I always wanted to try DIYing something to change seat angle like this. This is going to be the next normal thing for bikes to have
  • 2 0
 I’m tall, and I am f*cking hyped for this beauty.
I think 100 bucks is fair.
  • 1 0
 Bringing back such sweet memories of the activation lever on my Crank Brothers Joplin. Man, such great times I had with that post .
  • 1 0
 Almost perfect. Now combine it with a dropper to have full extension,all the way forward and nose drop. And compressed full back and nose up for dh mojo
  • 1 0
 I've thought that a saddle you could actually slide forward a couple inches to put you over the BB would be really interesting.
  • 1 2
 This is for people who ride steep stuff. If you don’t ride steep stuff don’t buy it. It’s like all the people who think 150mm is plenty of drop. Come ride steeps and your bruised thighs will have you on a 210 in no time. This is a great addition to the steep enduro tool kit.
  • 1 0
 It would be awesome if the seat angle would automatically change from a nose-down position when the seatpost is extended to a nose-up position when the seatpost is lowered.
  • 1 0
 Made from Aluminium?! Wouldn't last more than one ride in the winter grinding paste until you ended up with horrendous amounts of play....
  • 1 0
 youtu.be/qLo7secK5vA

나는 5 년 전에 그것을 했다 ...... 및..... 레일 클램프의 작은 버전을 만들었습니다.

^^*)
  • 1 0
 It was called the specialized wu cause when you accidentally sat on it in the up position you would say “wuuuu there buddy”
  • 1 0
 Awesome idea, but even if it doesnt work I'm in for the fact it allows your saddle to be removed easily without altering angle...like the 9.8 droppers
  • 2 0
 Specialized wu but simpler
  • 3 0
 Put me down for one.
  • 1 0
 Sign me UP for one
  • 2 0
 it would suck to leave it way up when you sit down.
  • 6 0
 Some might enjoy it
  • 1 0
 I like the basic idea. However it looks like you need a very tall saddle to fit it. The link doesn't work also.
  • 2 1
 Specialized post was amazing. I called it Taint Control. I have no idea why it didn't become the standard.
  • 1 0
 Sooner or later MTB designers will figure out this seat tube angle thing....
Its only been like 40 years.......¿
  • 1 2
 Looks cool. Sort of thing Chris Porter would like.

I’m hoping someone comes up with a saddle rail extender so you can slam your saddle further forward than the rails allow. Steepen up that seat angle to 78/79 degrees.
  • 2 0
 That's a tiny seat. Cool idea though
  • 1 0
 Omg, please get us to the times when dropper posts has this feature instead of installing a giant turtle under the Discworld
  • 1 0
 So just how steep are these trails folk are riding up?

www.instagram.com/p/CJprnqUB9nN/?igshid=198lsfck3gsx2
  • 3 2
 Useless tech is useless, and heavy. Full stop, didn't even read the article
  • 1 0
 Stay classy (;
  • 1 0
 Been hoping someone would dream up something like this for quite some time now!
  • 1 0
 now just needs a flat thrust bearing under it so your saddle can swivel too! Smile
  • 3 0
 It's neat. I like it.
  • 2 0
 We need another handlebar remote! Mostly the Scott bike owners!!
  • 1 0
 Why not make it so the seat changes angle as the height goes up or down automatically?
  • 1 0
 Campagnolo was laughed of the trail for this in 1988... imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/417x560q90/r/910/pF2Yw3.jpg
  • 1 0
 That’s a slick piece of equipment. Really nice design and function from the looks of it.
  • 1 0
 Great concept! I would really like to see a lower stack height and possibly an intergrated saddle combo!
  • 1 0
 and seat angle could self adjust move with seat post action?
  • 1 0
 I wished to have something like that forever!
  • 4 5
 Haha, but whats the actual point in this? Never before have I ever thought, yes what I want is an adjustable on the fly seat angle adjustment!
  • 1 0
 This might actually be a legitimate candidate for Fox Live Valve!
  • 2 0
 4th setting broke
  • 1 0
 They came up with this after they saw how popular the Wu dropper was.
  • 1 0
 its like the WU, and i dont like it
  • 1 0
 What happened to the specialized dropper?
  • 1 0
 Looks like a ball-stitcher waiting to happen....
  • 1 0
 now we just need something that will set our pedals into 3 positions
  • 1 0
 Shhhh don't give them ideas!
  • 1 0
 working on it Wink
  • 1 0
 I’d like to see a photo with the saddle mounted on here...
  • 1 0
 There's a video and photos on the website and Instagram Smile
  • 1 0
 The bottom of my saddle would definitely hit the top of that.
  • 1 0
 The first tests we ran were with an ultra-low Raceface Atlas as well as a Chromag Mood DT. We were surprised they worked but sure enough a little conflict. The version we're working on now (not as seen) is lower profile and will provide ample space. For reference, the saddle used in the videos is an Ergon SM Enduro with a very deep, box-shaped channel. There is absolutely zero conflict with heaps of space. I'll share photos on the Instagram page soon - please follow if not already @aenomalyconstructs

Cheers!
  • 1 0
 I would buy so long as it doesn't creak
  • 2 0
 After months of testing absolutely zero creaking. Our trails are wild here so we overbuilt it to handle double blacks
  • 1 0
 I wild each it. That meets they're naked.
  • 1 0
 does thompson make make the post for fox?
  • 3 2
 looks heavy
  • 1 0
 - approx weight as shown is ~170 grams. But because it replaces standard rail clamps which average 60-70 g, net gain is around 100grams
  • 2 2
 This is fkn genius!!! Also those positive clicks made me cum a little
  • 1 0
 sick
  • 1 0
 I need one so badly!!
  • 1 0
 Hmmmm
  • 1 1
 looks heavy, expensive and solves a problem that really doesnt exist
  • 3 4
 Does ii come with a free set of carbon tire levers?
  • 1 1
 ummm, no
  • 4 6
 Useless as tits on a bull
  • 3 4
 this is stupid
  • 1 2
 No remote....I’ll pass
  • 1 2
 Blue tooth or GTFO!
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