Transition's next generation of mountain bikes are on the way - time to put the old ones out to pasture. Watch the whole video for a sneak peek at the upcoming Scout, Smuggler, Patrol, and Sentinel.
There was a bmx kid who used to show up to the local dirt jumps like that. Apparently he could throw down, too... used to do flip bars with a little cowboy hat taped to his helmet
This is gold, a great video that sums up why I love mountain biking, grown ass adults gooning on bikes pretending to be cowboys. How can you not love it?
They didn't change a lot luckily. So i will keep riding mine until it falls to pieces... i have put a 160mm fork on it and a -1.5 angleset and the rear end can still handle it. Impressed by what you can get out of 125mm! Never rode a bike that was even comparable to the scout...
@Schlafmutzli: just been riding a scout on DH trails at Descend bike park and had no problem at all. This one has a well tuned shock and dh casing tyres and feels like there's nothing it can't do - dj to dh. The perfect one bike, quiver killer for me. Going to do Ard Moors race in a few weeks and will just put lighter tyres and tip my saddle forward a bit. Not expecting to win but I'm not worried at all.
@ThomDawson: haha yeah i've been to portes du Soleil. It could even handle Vink line. But it's on singletrails where it really shines. Up or down you never feel the need for another bike...
I know they've talked a lot about their new geometry, but I can't imagine they could get any better than my current Smuggler. The geo on that bike feels so spot on perfect. It's a great climber but also super confident descender that's almost impossible to OTB on. It's ridiculous how capable it is for a short-travel 29er.
'15 smuggler owner here and I agree totally, I've told people hundreds of times, if you endo a smuggler you accomplished something because it is impossible imo. lol
I love my smuggler, just upgraded to X01 Eagle and man having that extra range is AWESOME on the ups!! Took it to a bike park this past weekend and had an effing BLAST!!! it jumps so good!
I love these crazy videos. So funny. It's one of the reasons I got hooked on this brand. Seems like the new Transition Patrol got a downtube protection. It would be nice if it could retrofit on the old one.
But I just got my Scout! Just got back from BC, had an absolute blast riding it at Silverstar and Big White, don't think it's time to put it "out to pasture" just yet
I've got my '15 Scout and no plans to let it go yet either, plus I've always had it set with a 150 fork. Hopefully the chainstays are stronger on the new one since I'm on my 3rd, but I love the bike despite that
@rrolly: Besides the chainstay cracking I haven't had any other issues, and fortunately the cracks haven't been "catastrophic"---I had time to figure out was going on. Also, I'm 6'4, 210 and a pretty rowdy on my bikes so that equals to some harder stress than the average rider. There are a ton of great bikes out there but if I had cash ready for a bike I'd probably just get a new Scout so I'd always have a backup! And like SeaLegs26 said....it's felt more capable and more comfortable to me than the 160 bikes it replaced
@rrolly: I'm riding a 2010 Covert, (non Giddy Up), that was built from the frame up for the last 3 years and loving it! Was a buddy's bike before that and have had Zero durability issues. Love my Transition 26" and have no plans of getting anything new until there is a frame issue. Really like and appreciate the company and what they stand for too. My $.02 worth
@Canadmos: alloy, and yep...they send a new one, so I can't give any hate at all. I asked if I should be riding a Patrol as I thought it might take a bit more abuse and I was told it wouldn't make a difference.
@lightsgetdimmer: That's good to hear. I was reading that some of the Transitions in the past few years had issues with their pivots as well, if I remember correctly. I was kind of surprised, to be honest. As soon as my schedule frees up, I'm want to head over to Bellingham and demo a Transition.
Awesome, funny video. And impressed they've watched "Bonanza" to caricature (pretty decent acting too)
Does anyone know there video making process or who does their videos for them? - it's really good, multiple cameras and angles, drone/s? I thought right when they first started making videos they were immediately better than the then big brands' videos.
3 years old! shoot that sumbitch! basically useless that bike, haven't you heard? them new steeds got 1 deg slack HTA and 1mm lower bottom bracket! its a reeeeeee-volution!
I'm looking very closely at a Transition frame for my next build - Patrol or Scout, I'm undecided at the moment.
Only thing that worries me about the new line is if they all have the new 'balanced geometry' thing with reduced offset forks. I can't afford a new frame and fork so would want to use use my current fork on the new build. I wonder if this would screw the geometry.
I hope they haven't made me have to re-think my next bike.
you just need a off set head set or off set bushings for your shock and you are good to go....offsetbushings.com they are like 40$ and an angle set is like 100$
@oldmanfalling: u don't need a rear hub dude.. Just get the lindarets hub spacer kit with rotor spacer.. Been on mine two seasons no issue.. A slight re dish of your wheel and ur golden.. Think I paid $37.00
@Bird-Man: You are confusing fork offset and head angle, offset bushings / an angle headset would not give the same effect as a reduction in fork offset, especially as the head angle is already quite slack.
@oldmanfalling: Realistically it wont ride like complete crap as the geometry isnt that radical but it would be just like riding a long, slack bike and you wont get the benefits of the lower offset fork, that would be a big deal for me
Contact your local RS or Fox importer and get a new crown and CSU, they are not that expensive in reality, you just need a 27.5 version if you want a 29er frame or a 26" version if you want a 27.5 frame.
Run it with whatever fork you have, it won't make any difference. The 'reduced' offset is only marginally smaller. Upgrade to a shorter offset later down the road if you want to.
@Racer951: 3-5mm. It will make more of a difference for the 29er and the slacker models but it won't be earth shattering. If we're talking about a 52mm offset forget it, those are no use to no one. I wouldn't fuss about using a 46mm, personally I might even prefer it where I ride. I haven't seen exactly what they're doing on the Scout and Patrol but I think probably ~5mm reduction; on the Scout that may be an excercise in wheelbase reduction more than anything else depending how slack they made it.
@Racer951: you're right, I spoke too hastily. I didn't like 52mm csu but that's not to say there aren't a lot of people using them. But if you are the bike will still work just fine, maybe not exactly how Lars intended it to but you'll still have a big ol' slack and stable machine which you could then change the fork on later on. Doing it that way around may even help the rider decide just how much increase in trail they can handle? I'm curious just how many people will get on with the Sentinel with its slack HA and reduced offset, you've really got to be charging to make that work ime. But the OP was talking about the Patrol/ Scout and for those I really wouldn't sweat using a current fork to start with. Actually I think the Scout has the most to gain from reduced offset, giving it some more descend credensh while keeping the wheelbase short but I would also expect to see the smallest difference on the Scout, the Patrol a little more so.
I was gonna say, I totally recognize the zone they were riding (not the lake shot)... Funny how the scene at the lake closes with, wait for it... . . . . a "YETI" cooler - lol
So what are peoples thoughts when full specs will be released? Also, do you all think carbon is in the works too or will take a bit longer to get molds setup? Pretty interested to see what the specs on the new Scout will look like.
Costumes are perfect. Accents are strange, but I'm okay with it. Intros are my favorite. Thank you for not having a Hop Sing, even though I'm sure it was discussed.
I watched Bonanza reruns every day for a couple years in the very early 90s. It's insane.
Great vid.
Common with the seatpost lengths guys!! I'd have to get a 200mm dropper to be able to fit on anything smaller than a large, which likely wouldn't even fit in their frame. I'm only 5"6, the reach on the small is big enough
360mm seatpost on a small... that is shorter than a kona! Does anyone genuinely need a seatpost that short ?
Thats my issue with the longer reach that is becoming the norm. At 6ft, I have to move to a medium frame which needs at least a 175mm dropper.... which wont fit...
Not that anyone will ever read this, but I ended up buying a large Patrol. The seat angle compensated for the longer reach, and it fits perfect. Best bike I've ever ridden.
This is a thing. It looks like Fox isn't offering a 36 29er option in anything other than 51mm offset. So does that mean you can only get the right fork through Transition?
So they all gain 5mm of rear travel, the 29ers both get shorter offset forks, they all get Boost, and they've added the Sentinel? I guess the thought was "don't fix what aint broke."
@rogelioblancot: Me too, typically, I am not a stickler on paint chips but the Carbon Patrol was chipping at a rate that was disturbing. Maybe I'm a bad rider, or a hard rider (maybe even both), but it just started to grate on me. I sold it soon after b/c it was just too much. I went back to Santa Cruz Hightower after having a Tallboy LT.
Transition doesn't spend money on paint. They claimed it saved us buyers money. But I'm pretty sure their bikes are still up to standard pricing. @rogelioblancot:
Good actittude,good vibes from those guys makes want to be part of the clâ,but... two things against.. They change bike concept design like i change socks.Or should i let them longer ? And the bikes have every year a few less cm of travel to increase in the next year. Apart that and if we can live with that ,nice and trust company.
Looking for a small or medium 2016-2017 patrol for the girl friend incase any of ya'll upgrade.
Awesome video guys! Always know how to have fun. NW till I rest
At least they're having fun. I think I'm going to be a native American for Halloween this year. Was one when I was a child, was pretty fricken awesome, but like a legitimate headdress, and gear would probably be thousands of dollars.
When you buy a Trek you get unique cutting edge technology like the thru-shaft shock. Same for Specialized: you are paying for the fact they actually do real engineering on their bikes. With Santa Cruz you are paying for liftetime warranty and quality carbon construction. Scott you get a unique travel adjust system if that's your thing.
@RNeves: real geometry innovation? Or just jumping on the Mojo/Pole bandwagon all the pro riders in the comment sections and the forums (who ride 5 year old Giant Yukons) are convinced is the best thing ever.
Transition make nice bikes, but there is a literal ocean of Horst Link bikes out there that all look the same, and ride very similar. How about trying something different like Marin or Polygon, instead of tweaking geometry and adding boost? Why should I buy this instead of a Norco, or Rocky, or YT, or Ghost, or Specialized, Canyon, etc., etc., etc.?
THAT would have been hilarious.
I have the sickest references
www.mbr.co.uk/news/bike_news/transition-sentinel-364397
Patrol
STA: 76.6
HTA: 64
Reach: 475
Chainstay: 430
Seatube: 440
Wheelbase: 1238
Fork Offset: 37
Sentinel
STA: 76.3
HTA: 64
Reach: 475
Chainstay: 435
Seatube: 440
Wheelbase: 1247
Fork Offset: 41 or 43mm depending on fork choice
There are a ton of great bikes out there but if I had cash ready for a bike I'd probably just get a new Scout so I'd always have a backup! And like SeaLegs26 said....it's felt more capable and more comfortable to me than the 160 bikes it replaced
As soon as my schedule frees up, I'm want to head over to Bellingham and demo a Transition.
Awesome, funny video. And impressed they've watched "Bonanza" to caricature (pretty decent acting too)
Does anyone know there video making process or who does their videos for them? - it's really good, multiple cameras and angles, drone/s? I thought right when they first started making videos they were immediately better than the then big brands' videos.
Boost spacing too, so now I'd need a new rear hub. Let's hope there are still some 2017 models floating around when I'm ready to guy.
@oldmanfalling: Realistically it wont ride like complete crap as the geometry isnt that radical but it would be just like riding a long, slack bike and you wont get the benefits of the lower offset fork, that would be a big deal for me
Contact your local RS or Fox importer and get a new crown and CSU, they are not that expensive in reality, you just need a 27.5 version if you want a 29er frame or a 26" version if you want a 27.5 frame.
You can't do far even buy a lower offset fox 29er fork off the shelf than 52mm at the moment.
So, as I say, the reduction of 8mm is pretty damn significant.
Interesting to see if others follow suit and Fox starts offering the lower offset fork aftermarket.
But the OP was talking about the Patrol/ Scout and for those I really wouldn't sweat using a current fork to start with. Actually I think the Scout has the most to gain from reduced offset, giving it some more descend credensh while keeping the wheelbase short but I would also expect to see the smallest difference on the Scout, the Patrol a little more so.
I NEED that Patrol!!!
Funny how the scene at the lake closes with, wait for it...
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a "YETI" cooler - lol
360mm seatpost on a small... that is shorter than a kona! Does anyone genuinely need a seatpost that short ?
Does that mean a specially raked fork would be needed for every bike? Might limit aftermarket fork options.
@sailor0231 I'll take you up on that.
I had to cover the bike in frame protectors.
They change bike concept design like i change socks.Or should i let them longer ?
And the bikes have every year a few less cm of travel to increase in the next year.
Apart that and if we can live with that ,nice and trust company.
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@vikb @steflund: I thought all the snowflakes had melted by this time of year.
With Transition you get funny videos bro.