First Look: Transition's All-New Spur is a Rowdy XC Bike

Jun 30, 2020
by Mike Levy  


Transition didn’t invent the whole long, slack head angle, steep seat angle thing, but they’re one of the brands that have fully embraced that sort of thinking. And now they’re applying their 'Speed Balanced Geometry' to the all-new Spur, a 29er with 120mm of front and rear travel. This isn't your typical cross-country bike, though, with Transition saying that it's designed to be relatively light and cover ground quickly but, as Transition puts it, “descend anything you may encounter along the way.’’

To underline that capability, the Spur comes stock with stuff that you wouldn't usually see on a 120mm-travel bike. There are 2.4" wide tires from Maxxis with EXO casings, long-stroke dropper posts (my size-large test bike has a 180mm OneUp dropper), and four-piston brakes on all models. Further making the Spur's intentions obvious are the 800mm wide handlebars and 50mm stems across the three-bike range.

Spur Details

• Intended use: Everything?
• Wheel size: 29"
• Rear wheel travel: 120mm
• Fork travel: 120mm
• Frame material: Carbon fiber
• Threaded bottom bracket
• Flex-pivot
• SBG geometry
• Four-piston brakes, long-travel dropper posts, wide tires stock
• Weight: 24.74lb (X01 build)
• MSRP: $4,999 - $8,999 USD
• More info: www.transitionbikes.com


Transition says that the 120mm-travel design is happy between 25 and 35-percent sag, and there's enough progression and tuning for rowdy riding.


Suspension and Frame Design

The Spur’s suspension layout is pretty straightforward, with the SIDLuxe shock being compressed from above via a cute little rocker link that’s also carbon fiber. Like some other short-travel bikes, Transition has skipped using a pivot at the axle, with a “carbon-tuned pivot-less flex stay” doing the job instead. Engineered flex pivots always seem to get a bit of heat from people who are wary of such things, be it for a good reason or not. They’ve always been reliable in my experience, though, and I’ve owned and ridden a bunch of different bikes that use flex pivots. Remember, there are barely a few degrees of movement down at an axle pivot, especially on these short-travel bikes, and engineered flex can easily do that job.

Transition doesn’t make any weight saving claims about the flex pivot, but other brands have said that they’ve shaved around 200-grams by not using sealed bearings and all the required pivot hardware. Word is that the suspension works well when running anywhere between 25 and 35-percent sag, a relatively wide range for a bike with just 120mm of travel, and the 30-percent progression has a "consistent linear rate of change."

Oh, and if 120mm is way too much suspension for you, Transition says that you can swap out the 45mm-stroke SID shock for one with 37.5mm to convert it to a 100mm-travel Spur.
The SID shock is compressed by this carbon link to deliver 120mm of travel.

There are a handful of details on the Spur worth mentioning, starting with the threaded bottom bracket shell and headtube that takes press-in cups to allow for angle-adjusting headsets. It’s almost like these Transition guys read Pinkbike comments or something… Hmmm.


No bearings, no cares. The Spur depends on engineered flex at the axle pivot.


On that note, there’s a ton of room for a bottle inside the front triangle, as well as a mount under the downtube for when you want to suck on a muddy nipple. There’s another set of threaded bosses on the underside of the toptube for some sort of bolt-on tool kit. Other details: Cable routing is internal and pass-through to make repairs easy, and check out the rubber chainstay protection - it sits nearly flush with the frame and sure looks classy.


Geometry

Suspension travel doesn't define geometry, but the Spur is sporting some forward-thinking numbers relative to its travel. There's a 66-degree head angle - the slackest of the nine bikes in our upcoming cross-country Field Test video series - and my large-sized test bike has a 480mm reach. That's 20 to 30mm longer than many other large-sized bikes that aren't feeling so large these days.

There’s also a 75.9 - why not just call it 76? - degree seat angle that really helps to make the 480mm reach feel not so long, and the rear-end is 435mm on all sizes.

It may have just 120mm of travel, but the Spur didn’t start life as a cross-country bike like the Scalpel and Epic EVO, and that allowed Transition to take a much more aggressive approach in the geo department because they didn’t need to make a bike that was originally born as a racer.



Spur Models

There are three different versions of the Spur, all based on the same 2,500-gram carbon frame and shock, and starting with the GX build at $4,999 USD and followed by the bike I'm currently testing, the X01 version that costs $5,999. That gets you a SID Ultimate fork and SIDLuxe shock, a set of DT Swiss’ XR1700 wheels, and guess what kind of drivetrain, all of which adds up to 24.74lb. Want less weight and a wireless drivetrain? The AXS bike costs $8,999, although that does get you a set of carbon rims as well. The frame and shock cost $2,999.

I've been putting in a ton of miles on the all-new Spur, so stay tuned for our upcoming cross-country Field Test video review series where it'll be covered in-depth.


428 Comments

  • 234 3
 That blue is one of the most attractive bikes I have ever seen. Love the one unbroken line from the headset to the rear axle.
  • 83 4
 Never ever considered a Transition but this will be my next bike. They absolutely nailed the understated graphics and minimalist design. It’s like a full sus bike for those who just want a fun hard tail. Congrats!! Time to start saving ;-D
  • 50 17
 Yea, Mondraker design lines.
  • 21 28
flag Jacquers (Jun 30, 2020 at 1:27) (Below Threshold)
 @embi: Also Canyon.
  • 8 0
 Looks properly fun too
  • 6 1
 @embi: Yeah, the angular shape immediately reminded me of Mondraker too. Agreed the latest generation of Canyon has it too now, but Mondraker was first (at least in my mind). Also looks a bit like a Last, which is a pretty bike too.

As for the unbroken line, I do agree it looks pretty but I can imagine the shorter shock would turn it into an even more fun ride and if so, I'd be more than willing to break that straight line as a consequence.
  • 14 9
 @Jacquers: the canyon lines get ruined when the frame fails. Some of the worst built carbon out there.
  • 5 2
 @Jacquers: thought the same but Canyon has lost their design momentum a bit in past years.
  • 4 0
 > Love the one unbroken line from the headset to the rear axle.

Echoes of the Focus Raven hardtail
  • 3 1
 @heinous: That's a pity. How's the Alu?
  • 4 0
 What a beautiful beauty
  • 24 1
 Reminds me a lot of the Izzo. Seems to be the latest and greatest design to make a bike look light,fast and sharp. That changes as soon as i place my dad-bod on that thing.
  • 5 0
 Yep. Late Transition bikes are definitively nailed from aesthetic perspective... Don't get why other brands didn't put these elements together before...
  • 4 0
 @vinay: the length of the shock stays the same, preserving the geo of the bike. The shorter travel is achieved by a travel spacer, not by actually shortening the shock eye-yo-eye. The travel is limited and the shock will bottom out earlier at 100mm. So you get to keep those gorgeous lines!
  • 5 1
 @Jacquers: I've got a 2016 alloy frame with a cracked seatstay. So those are not too good either, I guess..
  • 1 1
 @blackthorne: completely agree. When treks supercaliber came out I was excited for a more all Mountain version; this looks like it
  • 2 2
 So how much travel do we get taking the spacer out of the shock and what kind of geo with a 140mm fork....? Smile
  • 1 1
 @Tamasz: I agree they look too robotic and lifeless lately.
  • 1 0
 Gotta thing for 29'ers with short travel but with DH geometry. Way of the future, yo.
  • 1 0
 @streetkvnt-kvlt: Pipedream Moxie?
  • 1 0
 @vinay: almost but a full susser is preferable.
  • 1 3
 @streetkvnt-kvlt: Yeah, I've got to admit I've got quite limited experience with full suspension bikes. I've got my own full susser (Cannondale Prophet) and I'm still way more confident in the tech than I am on my hardtail. It is only when I ride "lazy" or "mindless" that a full susser works better. So straightlining the rough rubble not paying any attention to the smaller details. Or even, I once was given a full susser with horrible pedals (I don't clip in but I got these Shimano ones with clip on one side and a useless steel cage on the other) so I my control through the pedals was limited. So often I couldn't do much other than smash into a section and hope for the best. And surprisingly I came out just fine. But on switchbacks, low speed drops etc I mess up sections on the fully that I can easily nail on the hardtail. I've got the feeling that fullies don't quite work well with my over the front riding style you'd get from years of hardtail riding (many of which with an hydraulic disc brake up front and a useless V-brake at the rear). But of course I see that rear suspension does have it's merits and now that the front ends have stretched and slackened over the years so I may be good with something modern. I'm more drawn towards Cotic though. Flare looks fun, Flare Max for you as you prefer the bigger wheels. Geometry and suspension travel is comparable to this one (if you'd add more bottom out bumpers in the fork).

So yeah, short travel XC/trail bikes designed to be ridden hard make a lot of sense and despite this marketing, they've been around for a good while (also outside the slopestyle niche). I recall Dirt magazine (UK) had an article where they were even pushing the Specialized Epic and the Cannondale Rush marathon/XC bikes. They're definitely up to it. Not sure about the angles though. My 2007 Cannondale Prophet already has a 67deg head angle, so that would drop to 65deg with a Slackerizer headset (though it won't help you increase the reach, obviously).
  • 1 0
 Kona did the single line back in 2015 with the first Process bikes. Draw a line from the axle to top of headtube and it's perfectly straight.
  • 1 0
 The 2008ish Stumpjumpers did that too, but curvier... agreed... it makes it beautiful.
  • 1 0
 Transition have made the bike Kona should have made to replace the 111.
  • 1 0
 This bike literally looks so slick and amazing couldn’t agree more
  • 113 0
 Was there a Yeti released today?
  • 5 71
flag Biddy2101 (Jun 30, 2020 at 1:17) (Below Threshold)
 yeah its on the front page
  • 10 0
 @Biddy2101: think he was making a point
  • 12 0
 Well, it was a lunch ride of sb100. Its an old bike with a new link.
  • 21 33
flag Pyres (Jun 30, 2020 at 6:01) (Below Threshold)
 Kinda sad that this bike has 2 times plus more comments!! #dentistsmatter
  • 25 1
 @Pyres: Covid has hit them hard. I have the dentist's office calling me now to go in.
  • 6 1
 @learningcycles: Shame that they will have to sell a few yetis.
  • 22 28
flag pinhead907 (Jun 30, 2020 at 8:10) (Below Threshold)
 This bike is not any cheaper than the Yeti, and is probably more expensive. Why does Transition get such a pass on the price of their bikes?
  • 31 5
 @pinhead907: The Transition won't crack?
  • 36 17
 @pinhead907: because they have the cool guy image, and arrogantly mock marketing lingo and trends while being as guilty of it as anyone
  • 11 0
 @pinhead907: It is cheaper when you look at the suspension spec. Transition is speccing way nicer stuff on their bikes than other companies at the same price point. The only better value seems to be direct to consumer, but there are downsides with that path (and upsides as well).
  • 43 0
 @pinhead907: the frame is literally $500 cheaper weighs half a lb less and has a 66 deg HTA compared to a 67.8 that’s why
  • 1 0
 Hahahaha so tru
  • 10 13
 @HB208: I dunno - It looks like the SLX build Yeti has Fox Performance line. Probably not as light as the SID, but likely better trail feel (haven't ridden the new SID, maybe I'm wrong). Myself, I'd take the Fox. But if you want a light bike, I'd agree with you - the SID fork and shock probably save a pound or more, and I doubt they suck.

@thisspock: it's actually $400, but true. I think complete GX builds are the same price, though, and Yeti has an SLX build for a couple hundred less than GX.

Anyhow, Transition ain't exactly cheap bikes no matter how you slice it. Not sure how Yeti gets one reputation, and Transition gets another. . . other than @thegoodflow 's point.
  • 5 2
 @pinhead907: To be fair, I think they held back on the pricing on the SB115. It seems like they could have charged more and didn't. However, the transition is like 4-5 pounds lighter depending on the spec.
  • 1 0
 @Richt2000: ancient... /s
  • 2 0
 @thegoodflow: I completely agree. It's ironic.
  • 88 0
 Transcountry
  • 21 0
 Overduro
  • 20 0
 @nozes: nah unduro!
  • 23 0
 Crossdownie
  • 5 0
 UpDuro!
  • 17 3
 updickpoundurocountry. I hate myself too.
  • 1 0
 Go-Downduro.
  • 26 1
 don't assume my bikes identity
  • 7 1
 @nyles: I identify my bike as "upduro" even if it's cost, weight, horrible spec and lack of suspension performance identifies it as "department store"
  • 71 0
 I wonder how many of these will end up with Fox 36 and a coil lol.
I bet more than 1/2....
  • 11 10
 Tr say that it will mess with the balance of the bike to put anything burlier on it and it rides perfectly as is and is super capable. Geometry trumps travel.
  • 69 1
 A coil + upforked version featured as bike of the day on vitalMTB next month
  • 39 0
 @thwillis:
Fox 36 can be run at 130.
Cane creek Coil IL do a 190x45.

Beast mode!
  • 9 3
 Is ANYONE riding an XC bike with a coil?
  • 4 2
 @Richt2000: @Richt2000: I guess a pike or 34 @ 140 would be enough and still shaving some grams ... and a dpx2...
It will be a Norco optic challenger.
  • 4 2
 @RonSauce: Scalpel and Epic are cross-country bikes. You will never see this one aligned at a XCO competition. Angles and wheelbase are too relaxed and the bike will lack of nervosity. Check the two scott scale in the front page too, with shocl lock, etc...
Levy will call it a down-country bike, like the Norco Optic.
So no non-sense putting a coil on it given the ratio progression, high AS and flex stays that will add progressivity at the end of travel.
  • 5 0
 Since it’s a standard mount shock, I bet we’ll see 190 x 51’s go on there to get 136mm travel. Wink

Spur - Afternoon Delight Edition
  • 8 2
 @Richt2000: If you want to make it slower this is the way to do it
  • 14 0
 @kinematix: I suspect the flex stays will deter many from overstroking the shock. They're designed with a specific amount of allowable freedom and going above that seems unwise.
  • 5 0
 SPUR with bigger fork & shock... do yo mean a SMUGLLER ?
  • 4 9
flag BScotty (Jun 30, 2020 at 9:02) (Below Threshold)
 @CaMKii: I'd be concerned about the long term fatigue of that flex point... definitely not a bike I'd buy used!
  • 1 4
 Anyone else see the FAQ regarding it?

"Can I run a fork with a different amount of travel?
The Spur was designed to run a 120mm travel fork and can be run with a 110mm fork as well. We do not recommend running a fork with more than a 120mm of travel."

So I would guess running a 140 fork would void the warranty?

Shame as it looked promising for that short travel do most everything bike. Guess this is not quite the Smuggler replacement afterall.
  • 18 0
 @nord1899: I don't think it is aimed at being a Smuggler replacement. I imagine the new Smuggler is going to be the Smuggler replacement.
  • 4 0
 @HB208: yeah I figure the Smuggler isn't dead yet. Guess if the Spur is 120/120 29er and the Sentinel is 150/160 29er, the new Smuggler will be a 135 rear with either a 140 or 150 front. Probably a 140 stock but can take a 150.

Just lots of the comments here are about upforking the Spur, yet Transition is saying "don't do that".
  • 3 0
 @nord1899: I'm really hoping that the Smuggler will be a 135/150 with downhill brakes. If it is, that will be my next bike. If it isn't, I might lean towards the Sentinel.
  • 1 0
 @Richt2000: was literally my first thought. Sorta worried about headtube integrity though with a 36.........Bueller?
  • 5 0
 @nord1899: I think everyone doing the typical "upforking" idea should look at it a little differently as the geometry already seems pretty dialed.

Keep the 120mm travel but add a little more capable fork (and shock, maybe) like a Pike or Fox 34, Z2, Diamond, etc... would do the trick nicely.

I'm sure we'll see a Smuggler soon-ish for all those wanting a little more robustness for their ride. And if you're after something more playful, there's already the Scout available.
  • 2 0
 @BScotty: why? Many other bikes use flex points, such as the Kona Hei Hei. Virtually identical system. Zero issues.

There are forks (leaf forks) with suspension designed around flex of carbon leaf forks alone.

Engineered right, it's there are no issues with fatigue failure.
  • 1 0
 On Transition`s website photos you can already see Lars`s bike has a Fox 34 on. Just zoom in on the pictures they are standing on the ridge trail beside their bikes.
  • 1 0
 @Whipperman: plus cane creek ee-wings... those cranks are a must-have to be a VitalMTB Bike of the Day Big Grin
  • 55 0
 Is this what a "I ride on XC terrain & I'm not interested in XC racing" bike looks like?
  • 17 0
 Pretty much. I am pretty stoked to see this class emerge, since it's finally a modern design for east coast terrain- Light and efficient Slack, but not insanely so Enough travel to take most of the big hits Benefits of longer reach without the added weight
  • 38 3
 No, this is what a "I ride on all terrain except downhill and EWS caliber trails & I'm not a professional XC racer" bike looks like. Hint, this likely applies to you and 90% of the riding you do.
  • 5 0
 @tgent: Yeah, I think this could handle most of what we have in Boise and Sun Valley. The only issue for me is that if I am only going to have one bike, I do want it to also handle the rowdy trails at speed. I am hoping that the Smuggler ends up being somewhere in between this and the Sentinel... that would be the ideal bike for me I think.
  • 1 0
 @HB208: Nice! I'm actually moving to Boise as we speak from SLC and spend a lot of time in Sun Valley, so I'm very familiar with the trails you're referring to. I do agree that a few trails you'll be outgunned on in those locations with a bike like this and you're likely better off with something in the 130-150mm travel range so that you're better equipped to ride those few trails if you only have one bike, but this bike will be better for the 90% of trails the rest of the time. Personally, I currently own a burlier 160mm enduro bike (Megatower) and am looking to get a downcountry bike such as this to complement it as a 2-bike setup, though I recognize I'll likely be riding the downcountry bike 70% of the time and the big bike only 30% of the time.
  • 2 0
 @tgent: Nice man! Shoot me a DM and we can go riding.

I think the one issue with both locations on a bike like this is that a lot of the tame trails can turn rowdy pretty quickly if you want them to (i.e. pedal up a bit higher in the military reserve, ride at speed on Hulls). I'd love to have a Sentinel and this bike. I can "afford it", but I think my fiance will kill me if I spent 10k on bikes in a year.
  • 3 0
 I do race XC (albeit not well, and mostly marathon-type stuff around the southeast) and am interested in this.
  • 2 0
 @SangamonTaylor: same, thing looks fun as heck
  • 39 1
 Does that say “24.7, 66, 75.9, threaded bb, water bottle?” I believe Transition has created the perfect bike.
  • 28 1
 Edit: XL comes with a 210 dropper. I stand corrected: Transition created the perfect bike!
  • 6 1
 Can someone point out why this bike isn't perfect. Damned well looks like it on paper!
  • 5 0
 @smartyiak: Almost perfect, because there's the dust pool thingy under the shock haha :p
  • 2 0
 @Will-narayan: The bike is sick, but that bugs me too that dirt and water can collect in the lower shock area.
  • 1 4
 @BeardlessMarinRider: the pinstripes; no Japanese kit; it's not a Tallboy
  • 1 0
 Good answers Big Grin Expensive and probably porky were as far as I got. If it is really a 2500g frame and shock is it even a transition? Big Grin That would be on par with something like a Pivot Mach 4 SL
  • 2 1
 @BeardlessMarinRider: no remote lockout? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • 1 0
 @BeardlessMarinRider: frame not made in US, Canada or Europe; frame not recyclable; pivots aren’t bushings. These are not issues for me, but GG/Revel/Ibis owners seem to care about such things.
  • 3 0
 I miss the 2 water bottle mounts.... 'cause marathon meh
  • 2 0
 @StFred: at least there’s enough room to hold a big bottle inside the frame
  • 1 0
 Tire clearance.
  • 1 0
 @Will-narayan: can easily solve that with some aquarium filter foam!
  • 1 0
 @ripdogg1: Tire clearance and cable routing are my usual grumbles when I think I have found perfection
  • 32 1
 If that is not a downcountry bike, I don't know what is.
  • 8 5
 It's an all-country. You didn't follow the teaser? Anyway it's pretty obvious I think. Or not.
  • 1 1
 @EnduroManiac: That's obvious.
  • 29 0
 This blue bike is what the turquoise bike should have been...
  • 2 0
 So true! Haha!!
  • 30 2
 Where’s my carbon smuggler?
  • 15 0
 Would be really interested in an aluminum version of this... but then I guess there's the Banshee Phantom.
  • 8 0
 I'm riding a new Phantom, & can't recommend it enough. That bike absolutely rips!!
  • 6 0
 @nyhc00: I'm on a V2 with 120mm Pike and it's really great... V3 looks awesome.
  • 2 1
 Check out the Knolly fugitive. Awesome bike. Will last longer and you can switch it between 120mm and 135mm rear travel.
  • 14 2
 And when you look at this one and then at the sb115, it all becomes evident. New bike vs new bike with old geo.
  • 13 3
 Wow.looks like a direct competitor to the IZZO.
Infact they look identical. And geo is almost identical bar a bit more reach.

Pinkbike - please compare in your review ;-)
  • 8 0
 I'm hoping Transition release a lower spec version after the initial rollout. £5000 for the cheapest model puts it out of reach for a lot of people that would be considering the lower-spec Izzo.
  • 5 1
 @lopzag: Exactly, this is the type of bike I need for my local trails, but at $7100CAD ($8023CAD after Ontario's 13% tax rate), getting Sid Select, GX and Stans Arch wheels seems a bit steep.

It's a nice bike, but you can buy a Trek Top Fuel 9.8 XT (or GX) and you get Fox 34 Stepcast Performance (Grip2), carbon wheels, XT or GX drivetrain, carbon bars, and it weighs the same, for the same $7100CAD.
  • 2 3
 Just with a more sensible amount of travel for a downcountry bike, and the lower shock mount looks a bit nicer than the papmaché monstrosity on the Izzo.

The Spur has more balanced builds as well. There is no real top model of the Izzo, as they have mixed in (too many) cheaper parts to lower the price.
  • 3 0
 @Ryan2949: It's well priced in the US. $5k for a Gx build with better suspension that you will find on similarly priced bikes.
  • 4 0
 The Izzo is sick too, but weighs around 1.75 lbs heavier with the X01 build. Also, there looks like the Spur has more potential for losing some weight to get it even lighter by swapping out tires and wheelset. The Spur has a heavier wheelset and heavier tires, which makes it's 25lbs more impressive. The Izzo already has light wheelset and lighter tires stock.
  • 2 0
 @Nygaard:
What cheap parts on izzo?
Apart from tires, that is?
  • 3 0
 I'd be considering it if it weren't ~$1000 more than the Izzo Pro I have on order! It looks awesome regardless.
  • 4 2
 @Richt2000: I don't get what he's talking about either, they are very similar. Both have GX drivetrains, G2 RS brakes, alum bar/stem, Stans Arch on Trans, and DT M1700 on YT. The biggest differences is the 34 Perf Elite and DPS Perf Elite vs the Sidluxe Select suspension.

Meanwhile the Izzo is $1400CAD cheaper.

For $400CAD more than the BASE MODEL Spur GX build, you can get the Izzo Pro Race with Fox Factory suspension, XMC 1200 carbon wheels, X01 drivetrain. Transition is charging a premium it seems.
  • 6 2
 @Ryan2949: You are never going to be the same price as a huge direct to consumer bike brand as a small(ish) boutique brand. What you get from Transition is better quality, better support, and a lifetime warranty, while also supporting a small business. The volume of bikes that YT sells alone makes it cheaper for the consumer. With that being said, Transition is competitively priced for the component spec you get when compared to other boutique brands.

Whether or not all of that is worth it to you is the question.
  • 1 0
 @HB208:

I have a transition and a YT.
They are pretty much on par quality-wise.

Both ride AMAZING.
Both don’t have the best paint quality.
  • 1 0
 i would very like to order spur but frame alone is almost 4k € here in europe. considering izzo is 4k with perf elite ,both are made in asia and atleast for me all issues i have to deal with via email because no local shope stock them(so support is basically same)
  • 1 0
 @Richt2000: The new bikes seem to have raised the bar on quality. I'd say the older bikes are probably more comparable though.
  • 1 0
 @mironfs: For sure, I would probably go with the YT if I was in the same position.
  • 1 0
 @HB208: yeah i probably will, but wanted bike without PressFit and sram drivetrain
  • 10 0
 I owned a YT for two years and also currently own a Transition for the last two seasons. YT are cheaper, for sure. But the customer support is horrible (at least here in Canada).. Hands down worst customer experience out of anything I've ever bought. Months of delays, nobody returning calls or emails, broken parts that were never replaced, just brutal. Transition have been fantastic. I cracked my Smuggler and had the frame replaced in about a week. I'd happily pay extra again for another Transition knowing that they have my back if something goes wrong. Plus they always give me beer at their demo events. YT never offered me any beer.
  • 8 0
 About as good as an XC bike will ever get!

Is this the death of the Smuggler though? I am eagerly awaiting to replace my alu Sentinel with a carbon Smuggler... Sentinel was too much bike for my trails, this will be slightly too little. If I could afford both I'd want this and a Sentinel, but I am looking for that middle ground....
  • 5 0
 If you dropped the Smuggler's fork down to 120 and installed a -1 Angleset, you'll pretty much get the same geometry. The middle ground is to slap a 210 x 55 shock on the Smuggler to get you 132 mm travel, and then a 150mm fork on there. Mini Sentinel ready to rock. Or find a non-SBG Smuggler and put a 200 x 57 on there for 130mm travel, then -1 Angleset and 150mm fork.
  • 1 0
 @kinematix: Unless you know differently, I think the Smuggler will have interference with a 210 x 55 fitted in it. Some discussion here: www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=208890&pagenum=1

I have a 210 x 50 DPX 2 on mine, and it's a great ride. But I would have definitely gone with 210 x 55 if I thought I could have gotten away with it.
  • 1 0
 @atourgates: I'm running my SBG Smuggler at 132/150 with a 210x55 Cane Creek coil and offset bushing. It's a beauty of a beast and IMO what the Smuggler should be. The Spur has all the geo numbers of the Smuggler but less robust and less travel. I think the Smuggler is dead.
  • 7 0
 Instantly calculating how in the world I could justify and afford adding this to the garage next to the Sentinel! Been waiting years to see Transition’s proper take on an XC bike And this does not disappoint!
  • 1 0
 What is more important: Wife or Biking (hint: biking).
  • 1 0
 @HB208: Whoa, whoa, whoa! do not let your Lady see this! they are both very important, and if you think about it, you cannot replace the love of your life (your Wife) but you can always get a new bike Smile
  • 1 0
 @rosemarywheel: if you can always get a new bike, then the comparison is moot. Wink
  • 1 0
 @LG10: I guess you are right.
  • 9 0
 Well, 2020 is taking a nice turn finally
  • 5 0
 I didn't know I needed an All-Country bike, every day's a school day. Out of the park again Transition. I may just have to sell the family on eBay and get a new Scout, Sentinel and this thing. I just hope they don't release an updated Patrol anytime soon.
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 Once that new patrol comes out it'll be you you're selling on eBay lol
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 @ryd-or-die: Won't get any bids
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 this would look damn nice next to my sentinel to replace the hardtail but not sure I can stomach $3k for a frame and shock. Put me on the waiting for the $1500 aluminum version.
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 If this was a new Santa Cruz everyone would be bemoaning how all they can’t tell it apart from any of the other Santa Cruz’s.

That said, super sharp looking bike.
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 I've never understood that criticism. Most bike companies have an industrial design that is similar across product lines.
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 Nah, i’d be moaning that the santa cruz has a really slack actual seat angle. Santa cruz bikes are dead to me.
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 @Richt2000: Transition is what Santa Cruz was a while back: Small, but growing, bike company that makes awesome shit. Now SC is pushing overpriced bikes that are good, but don't justify the premium.
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 Love all of Transitions new designs, I just hope they start making aluminum bikes again... Can't afford these carbon prices.
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 so you're telling me you can have a straight downtube without a knock-block??! NONSENSE
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 I'd like a "Behind the Numbers" from Dan Roberts on all these flex stay bikes. how does the additional spring impact the curves? Are some more or less stiff, and why? Does it take additional damping to make it feel right?

I suppose that carbon layup has gotten to the point where this is feasible and inexpensive to do, but it's weird to think about the many years the industry went through while the Horst Link patent was still valid, and this idea wasn't popularized.
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 Yeti had a tiny flat titanium plate as their pivot, at some point. I think it was on the seatstays, tho.
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 @hllclmbr: It was a molded carbon/plastic piece on the seat stays of the ASR and 575's from the '00's.
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 @bicycle019: You are both right. The first versions on the Yeti were a machined Titanium flex pivot bonded into the aluminum stays, and then later they moved to a carbon version of the same. I had both revisions.
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 @Ginsu2000:

A friend had the Ti one, so I thought I was correct, but an image search only pulled up the carbon version.

No dementia yet...
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 Transition for 2020 is one of my favorite brands. The bikes have clean lines, the color pallet is superb and they have a bike for everything. The price is reasonable and the spec'd parts are what I would choose if I was to build my own bike.
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 I'm still waiting/hoping for an alloy dh bike, otherwise very much agree
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 Bloody fine looking steed Transition, dunno why but I get excited about short travel bikes that like to get loose on the downs, they appeal to me.
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 Shimano kit not available.
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 I've wondered if Transition will ever spec a Shimano build on their bikes. It's unfortunate, as it'll be an extra step to switch things after purchase.
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 A lot of bikes have made appearances in my stable. And I hope there will be many more. But most of them have had shortcomings somewhere in the package. I've always had to make adjustments and alterations to satisfy my fit and performance needs. But Wow! This bike hits form and function squarely on the head. I might not be hitting the big gaps like I used to but I could definitely use this on anything. Way to go Transition!
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 Whoever took the photos for this article killed the game
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 These latest Transition bikes are all stunners with on-point geometry! Very well done! Now the Patrol please!
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 Transition is on a serious roll right now, well done!
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 Do the Smuggler disappear ? Or will it end up between the Spur and the Sentinel at around 135 mm of travel ?
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 That would be my guess. 130mm Rear / 150mm Front. They removed the smuggler as an offering from their webpage....hmmm
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 The Sentinel still has a 140 mm rear travel option so I don't know why they'd invest in having that many models for such a small company.
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 @briceps: They are saying to shortfork a sentinel if you want something between the Spur and Sentinel.
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 You can run a 55mm stroke metric shock to get the Sentinel to the 132mm, and then short fork. Or get even crazier to get 126mm rear with a 52.5mm stroke shock, but I think that may mess too much with leverage ratios/sag point, etc.
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 When I purchased my first full suspension bike in 2007, I went with the "do everything, trail bike" by way of the new 2008 Specialized Stumpjumper. That bike came with reasonably burly Fox suspension (120/120mm), and a mix of XC parts, and a 3x9 drivetrain. Aside from a new wheel size standard and the obvious updates to geometry over the past 13 years, it feels like we're back where we started: a 120mm bike that can do it all.
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 You got it. We’re back at the “trail” bike becoming popular. Updated Geo without being too slack, sub 27 lbs, mid-length wheelbase, and capable of being fun on nearly any trail. I’m still rocking an ‘08 Trance X For my primary bike because it’s still a good all-around bike, despite old standards. I’ve had a few bikes in between, but have been waiting for this category to make a comeback and a few of the standards to settle in.
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 Looks really really nice! I'd love a 120mm bike as second bike but none of them are remotely affordable! Why can't someone make a single pivot, aluminium, short travel bike for me?!
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 Knolly fugitive st
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 Giant Stance?
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 Marin Rift Zone?
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 If you expand your search to other pivot designs there's more choices... Banshee Phantom is a prime example.
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 @Hogfly: geometry from 1998
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 @thegoodflow: geometry from 2002
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 @DirkMcClerkin: never in stock when your ready to buy one and don't want to deal with dirtworks anyway
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 @thegoodflow: no interest in 157. I don't even care if it's better, I've gone through enough hub and wheel size changes that I'm done with it. Smile
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 @jrouellet: seems like the sleeper, not the best spec going on, but builds are not too expensive so easy upgrade path. Too bad they don't do a frame only option. Not that I'm against single pivots, but I don't understand the point of building a frame with a seatstay pivot? If your gonna have the same weight and complexity than why not just do a horst link and get the braking benefits...?? Still great geo...
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 @stiingya: Sounds like you're just full of excuses here. "I want a cheap 120 bike" but what you really mean is "I want a cheap 120 bike with all the R&D of the expensive bikes, the most progressive geometry, the best parts spec, and no feature anyone on PB would scoff at". Sounds like you just want Transition to make an alloy Spur.
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 Trek Top Fuel 8 might meet that.
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 @BsampSy: I won't deny that I'm cheap, but I don't think I said any of that...? OP was commenting about affordability. I was just commenting on the bikes suggested.

The thing with an alloy Spur is the flex stays? For sure putting a horst link back on the metal version would be an option? But I don't think an alloy flex stay would ever work as well? (almost bought a Trek liquid back in the day though) Honestly I'd say keep the Spur what it is because I don't think you can get another bike this light for such a low price??? (sure not with that kind of geometry!) It may not really be "cheap", but it is cheap for a bike that's this light? Heck.GG just put out that 8 thousand dollar build at 26lbs. The Spur can hit that weight for under 5 thousand. (not an apples to apples comparison as you could Park ride your Trail Pistol all day long VS I don't think a bike with flex stays is in the same league?? Part of WHY it's so light. BIDK...)

I think the Spur is very cool; I'd just like them to keep the Smuggler in the lineup TOO, but yes I think an Alloy option would be great for most of their frames! With all the anti carbon rhetoric we've seen lately I'm surprised we didn't start seeing alloy Sentinels when all the carbon frames sold out? But perhaps Transition will be only carbon from here out???

Geometry doesn't really cost anything "extra". When the Giant Stance 29 was created they could have easily taken a degree off the head tube angle and there is NO REASON to keep those 15, 17, 19, 20" seat tube lengths anymore...??? Shorter seat tubes and adding an XXL frame size so people could size up would greatly improve the bike. I would argue it actually costs Giant MORE to be so conservative with geometry because there is no longevity.

I'd counter the excuses go the other way around. Kona usually has very good geo, Process 111 was ahead of it's time and pretty much EVERYONE keeps wondering why they have never made a new one.

Giant got things mostly right with the Reign 29. But imagine if they would have used modern geometry on the last Trance 29 with 115mm travel. Hell they would have been 2-3 years ahead of everybody who's only just now jumping on the short travel "downduro" rush. As far as the Stance, if any bike manufacturer can figure out a way to squeeze the best bang for the buck it should be the largest bike manufacturer on the planet...? WHY does their bike still have quick releases compared to the other bikes in the field test? If they don't make a good bike nobodies going to buy it and so whatever profit margin they were inflating by using QR's doesn't ACTUALLY make them any money...

Banshee has always made great bikes. Sometimes they were heavier than they should have been and conversely seemed like some failure issues in the past. But again, the only knock against the current Phantom is being able to easily get one. Can't just order it online, can't just drop by your local dealer and pick one up. Sucks... I wish them further success so they can remedy those issues.

Knolly is honestly pretty sweet. But I do hate the 157 thing. I know the manufacturers that have made the switch are just trying to get out ahead of it this time. But I still don't like it... Smile

The Rift Zone is a sweet bike, again I don't get seatstay pivots after the HL patent expired. It doesn't cost any more or create any more complexity to use a chainstay pivot and get the braking benefits. But I don't think that should keep anyone away from it. When they had the last carbon Smuggler frames for $2400 it was the idea that I could get a whole Alu RZ bike for less than that, OR a pretty comparable bike in the carbon rift zone for just another grand that kept me from ordering the last Smuggler frame... HUM so sad. (and I was wondering if they'd drop the Smuggler frames down lower... me = cheap bastard!)

Thing for me is I have some good bikes and there are lots of really good bikes to rent to keep trying different bikes so there really just isn't any huge RUSH to buy or build up a new one. I'm totally interested in something like the Spur or the previous Smuggler. And I'm sure I'll buy something here soon. But there is no "need" other than that same N+1 all mountain bikers have.

time to punch out and go for a RIDE! Smile
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 @dhridernz: comparatively short and tall though. Swing and a miss for a downduro...
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 I was bummed to see Transition cut out the XXL frame option for this model. Then I looked at the geo numbers and its still a longer reach and higher stack than most other bikes in this segment (save the Izzo). Hey Transition, why cut out a frame size compared to the rest of your new carbon lineup? I know it saves on costs, but now there's less chance of my whole stable sporting the TR headtube badge...
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 Oh man this Field Test can't come soon enough! The Spur looks ridiculously nice and to echo previous comments that may be one of the better bike colors in a while. This 115-120mm, aggressive geo bike category is really hitting the sweet spot for me and I imagine a lot of riders who find themselves over-biked for their everyday riding.
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 She's a sexy little rocket that one!

Having only quickly ridden a Sentinel and a few DH laps on an SB6 and being pretty stoked on both, I was pretty interested to see both Trans' & Yetis' approach with the Spur and SB115 bike geo/specs, especially given I literally just bomb-wholed my credit card on a new Izzo ("did I pull the trigger too soon?!"). On paper nothing between these two new bikes makes me think they're more fit for my purpose than the YT, *phew*, but I'm sure as hell looking forward to hearing some comparisons from the PB team. (not to mention all these market-hype/anti-hype inflated opinions in the comments, hours of fun).
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 Looks great, although nothing particularly new (Turner was knocking out bikes likes this ages ago, although not with the flexstay).

It would be a shame if this killed off the Smuggler. Perfection must surely be a Smuggler carbon frame with vastly improved rear tyre clearance (it's main Achilles heal) and a bit of a weight loss plan.
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 I don't think it will kill the Smuggler. There is a clear missing link in their lineup between this and the Sentinel.
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 @HB208: They said on insta if you want a smuggler you can shortfork a sentinel.
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 @Giebela: it's weird they built a bike they don't want you to run a longer fork on, ( I assume they don't want a bunch of broken rear flex stays from riding the bike harder than intended??) but then aren't going to to fill the gap left by no smuggler...???

Wonder if that comment on Instagram is just to mess with us? Or just an offhand comment not meant to be taken verbatim?

Since they seem to be sharing frames or parts between the Scout and Sentinel it's a shame they weren't able to add a 2nd rear triangle with pivots and longer travel to make a Smuggler out of this front triangle. Course then they'd never have got to such a low weight? (Guerilla Gravity problems)

Anyway very cool bike. Impressive weight VS price...
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 @stiingya: Agreed. I would love for them to fill that gap but I feel like if there was one question they were going to get a lot with the release of the Spur was, what about a new smuggler and they've been dead silent other than that one response on insta.
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 @Giebela: I asked them about it today and the guy said that they have discussed it, but nothing in the works. I sort of don't believe that. There is a gaping hole in their lineup.
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 @Giebela: I think it's a marketing tactic. They know that there's a lot of people that really want a new smuggler more than this. If they stay silent about it, or suggest that there is no new smuggler, then some people will buy this instead, and then swap out for the bike they really wanted (smuggler) when that's released. If they tease the new smuggler now, some of those people would wait. If this was the smuggler replacement, there's no way in hell they would be telling people not to run a 130 fork. It's not versatile enough to fill that gap.
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 @thegoodflow: so, you think they are trying to sell you this instead of a smuggler assuming when they announce the new smuggler in 2 weeks their customers will buy both? That's not how marketing works.
It's TRUE that they aren't going to leak info about the smuggler while trying to hype the spur, but that's because they want to keep buzz going, not because of some nefarious scam.
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 @RonSauce: probably not 2 weeks, but sure maybe 2-12 months. I think it's a stretch to call it a scam, but stuff like that happens all the time. And yeah, I think there'd probably be some people that will buy this now and then sell in six months when the smuggler is released because they realize it's really a better fit for their style. So what, you think they'd cap this at 120mm fork travel and not offer a 135/140mm 29er in the future? Why would they drop the smuggler and leave that gap in their lineup?

It's a similar tactic to when companies release a bike in aluminum first and then release a carbon version a few months later. How many people bought a ripmo af because of the geo and progressive rate, and then sold a few months later to upgrade to the v2 carbon? Same with the stumpy Evo. It's not a scam but if you think these companies don't strategize about releasing new models in an effort to sell more bikes, that sounds a bit naive.
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 @thegoodflow: there is an effort to sell more bikes, yes. They are not trying to get one person to buy all of their bikes, they are trying to get everyone to buy one of their bikes. Staggered releases are less about when they sell it to you and more about keeping you talking about them. They could very easily announce all of next years bikes February every year, by March when other companies are trickling out releases they will have been forgotten.
If you spend 6 grand on a 120mm when you want and need a 140 bike and replace it in 6 months, naive doesn't start to describe you.
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 @RonSauce: ok, whatever
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 @RonSauce: Naive because someone switched bikes in 6 months? Per above, tell that to everyone who's selling their AF ripmo for the carbon one, (or everyone selling their V1 Rip for a V2 instead of an angleset) Or everyone who sold their stumpy for the evo, or everyone who sold their aluminum evo for a carbon evo, How many people swapped bronsons or Hightower LT's for megatowers who then went to hightowers once they fixed the geo? Or everyone who sold their aluminum sentinel for a carbon one, or everyone who sold their aluminum smuggler for a carbon one, how about all the people who sold their Smugglers for a Sentinel or visa versa and then throw the Patrol and Scout in the mix, people go back and forth on what bike they want or need all the time. It goes on and on...

The mountain bike world is full of people with a lot of money wanting to try new things, and plenty of people who wait for those people to sell their bikes so we can buy them for less! Smile As well as a lot of people who over spend/get buyers remorse/find out how much interest their paying on their CC for a bike they don't ride enough to justify it/discover they got too much bike for their trails/not enough bike for their growing skill set, wrong size, even wrong color. (Kalimotxo anyone? I'm still scarred) It's naive not to be aware of how often people buy and sell bikes for the smallest reasons!

I don't claim to know what or why Transition is doing what they are doing. I mean perhaps the reason we didn't get the "super sentinel" was because they planned not to replace the smuggler and were trying to keep the gap somewhat in check? (though if that was the case you'd think they'd have sold it as 140mm and let people do shock changes to go 150?) It wouldn't be so bad if the Spur was an overfork/semi-park approved sort of a bike. But with how light the frame is and the flex stays and paying for lifetime frame replacements my guess is the 120mm fork limit is more a way to temper peoples riding habits to keep those light frames in one piece? This isn't just the difference of a 20mm fork, the Spur and the last Smuggler seem to have different intentions. You could build a Smuggler up with a 36/lyrik, decent brakes and have a burly wheelset for park days and be OK not having a Sentinel. (let alone overshock with offsets and up the fork travel) I don't think the Spur would ever scratch that itch...

I think if it was 100% the end of the Smuggler than this bike would have been the new Smuggler and not the Spur?? My guess is they are either doing some marketing magic OR they are just leaving themselves the option? 120mm 25lb bike and then a 150/160mm 31 lb bike is a pretty decent gap. The Smuggler could fill both of those roles, but neither the Spur or Sentinel can. (back to the idea of trying to get you to buy more bikes! Smile )
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 Smooth Stuff. But I want to know when the Smuggler comes? LBS says this replaces the Smuggler, I say that is BS!
To big of a gap in the modell range I guess?
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 Absolutely the best looking bike I've seen in a while. I really would not be scared to ride scary stuff on these "XC" bikes that I used to ride on "Freeride" bikes. Wish this much though and consideration had been put in to bikes when I started riding.
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 There are so many good bikes coming out now in my favorite segment, I'm so stoked. My problem is that I can't decide which one to buy. Hopefully, Levy's field test can narrow it down for me, but this bike is damn near perfect on paper.
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 This thing has the same HTA as my kona process 153... And in size large, it has longer chainstays, reach, and wheelbase... Curious to demo one sometime. And clearly I need to find a slacker big bike to keep up with the times, as apparently my kona is basically a long travel XC bike.
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 Sub 25 lbs?! Well done Transition. For company that is more focussed on the down, this is a very impressive weight. I remember my OG 2015 Smuggler, good gawd that frame was a pig.
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 Would love to hear from a designer on the decision to have matched front/rear travel vs longer front travel. 120/120 on this bike, vs, for example, 130/115 on the SB115.

I've had both (150/125, 160/140,160/160, 150/150, 150/145), and I think I like equal or almost equal slightly better, though this may be due to a more off-the-back riding style that tends to use lots/most of the rear travel but rarely bottoms out the fork. On the unequal bikes I almost always get the o-ring to the bottom of the shock even if the fork still has 10% left, where on equal travel both front and rear usually had the same travel used (whether 10% or 0% left)
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 They nailed the looks, this bike has almost a hardtail silhouette. No broken lines, no pregnant belly, no screaming graphics. Geo and travel seems like huge fun on my local trails, and especially on my after work "fun & pain" XC lap. It should also be great on all day epics with huge elevation that still include fun trails, there are such options where I live. I could easily see myself living on top of this bike, I might even choose the short shock setting (I ride a ht now). If it was a surfboard it would be a stubby shortboard I guess...
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 Everything looks perfect expect one small thing, and I’m guessing Pinkbike is partly to blame. This would have been my next XC-bike (and trail bike) if it had a remote lockout. Without the remote it wont work for my racing and becomes just a trail bike for having fun.
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 we're at a world famous burrito truck where ebikers come to eat lunch
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 This bike should spur anyone on to greater climbing miles..
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 I can definitely think of a few riders who will be transitioning to one of these...
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 @dugcarch: Giddy up
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 This was my dream bike 10 years ago. A full-on small sized ripper! Very nice Transition, very nice!!
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 Yep, yep, yep, yep.... yep and yep.
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 Rowdy XC as a type of bike evokes much more fun than down country and short travel trail bike. I once bought a Giant Anthem SX because they said it was a rowdy XC bike.
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 Did I just read that this bike's price of admission is more than that new Yeti's? What in the hell is the world coming to?
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 $500 less for the Transition frame. From there it’s just build kit.
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 Very close to my dream next bike. Wish list would include a 130mm fork and 30mm IW rims at about the same weight. Any other contenders?
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 Ibis Ripley?
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 @Crossmaxx: oh hell yes, Ripley is the one if I’m buying frame only, for sure. Good call. Hard to say if it’s worth the premium over the YT Izzo builds price-wise though...
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 Transition is building some beautiful bikes these days... I love the new design language and they've really tied it into all models. You can always tell at a glance now what they are.
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 transition and Norco are killing it this year with the re designs.
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 I can't wait for the head to head comparison. Optic has the remote RS Deluxe to take the heat of the rough
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 @advansti: I know, I just demoed the optic and sight. Going to grab a sight for sure, now just gotta find one
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 No Smuggler remake though? I know a lot of people wanting the wagon wheels on the scout's geo/platform... Love that color though.
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 No kidding, where’s my Carbon Smuggler!
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 @Cowboy13: really the sentinel is a great all rounder now.
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 @5chmaus: It is, but maaan I would love just that little shorter travel in my quiver. Shorter laps, less energy.
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 @5chmaus: I bet, but Midwest biking doesn’t warrant it, and 230# is too big for this XC whippet
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 Ooooh it’s like a desirable version of the YT Izzo.
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 Has anyone bought a Transition without a dealer anywhere around? There isnt one in the entire lower peninsula of Michigan. 5-9 hours away is the nearest dealer. Do they work with local shops? I want to order the frame today.
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 I bought my sentinel straight from transition. Took about 10 minutes to put it together.
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 @BoneZ156: Thank you, I emailed them as soon as I saw this. Hopefully I can order the first large they ship!
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 Just contact them...they sell on their site
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 @GlassGuy: Thank you I overlooked that. I get the black frame next week. Time to sell a stache and an epic Evo! Going to have the Spur, Rocky MTN Element, and Pivot Les SS. They can all share parts. I can have a pike 120, and SID 35 120 to share between all the bikes.
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 Was it not just yesterday we saw a post about Nino and Kate's XC race bikes with 2.4" tires? www.pinkbike.com/news/bike-vs-bike-nino-schurter-and-kate-courtneys-scott-sparks.html
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 I have ikon 2.4s 9n my 100mm race bike. I dunno why 2.4s are a big deal?
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 @clink83: wEiGhT Wink
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 All the things I want, except the price tag. Why can't we have an aluminum version w/ GX for $3k?
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 Glad to see they went with flex stays after literally every single Smuggler came from the factory with the bolts in the Horst Link pivot 1mm too long...

If you owned one you know what I’m talking about.
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 I'm really looking forward to the XC trail test now.
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 It would be great if you guys can review YT Izzo and compare it with the Spur (and the other bikes that will be on the downcountry series). Geo numbers and weight is almost identical. Thanks!
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 Seems like SID is an odd fork choice. I’d have thought a short travel Pike would’ve been a better spec, but maybe SIDds are burlier now. Either way, looks like a killer bike.
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 New SID has 35mm stanchions and thru axle. It should theoretically be stiffer than a 34 step cast from Fox at the very least.
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 @whiteryanc: Ah, that makes sense.
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 Who else bought one? They sold out framesets in a few hours. I have the only one in Michigan they said, that's why they guaranteed me one. They actually gave me the green one instead of the black frame only.
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 I don't get this "down country" thing. By the descriptions and the intended purpose of these bikes, they sound A LOT like a "trail" bike. My SB130 is a close to an XC bike AND an Enduro bike that one can get IMHO.
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 Beautiful bike. Man that really is a great bike
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 They didn't invent it but look at the current patrol numbers and offset, it came out in 2017/18...
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 If I ever manage to break my Process 111.. This is top of the list for its replacement.. So far
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 My first thought was that the Spur is the updated carbon version of my old Process 111 that Kona should have made ~5 years ago.
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 What a beauty... They just make such great bikes... wish I had endless funds and space for more bikes
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 YT Izzo is still the one, I guess...
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 !Now!......Where is my straight tubed aluminium Smuggler?
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 Steel smuggler? I'm interested....
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 @jubs17: Howsabout a Peanut Smuggler?
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 I had a transition preston back in 2005 - 4" travel, burlier build than an XC bike, 4 bar suspension. They should have re-used the name
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 Spur is actually a really good name though
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 @thegoodflow: if you are from san antonio
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 I wonder if there's any way to run a remote lockout on this beast?? Would love to run it as my next XC whip.
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 That Deep Sea Green bike with Chris King bourbon parts....ohhhhh that would look mighty fine...
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 This is it! I've been waiting for this bike! It has literally everything I've been looking for.
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 Will Transition stop making alu bikes? I see them slowly disappearing from their line up.......

I'd love a alu Scout......
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 Maybe with all these new "all-country" and "down-country" bikes we will start getting some events where we race up and down hills..oh wait...
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 Well done Transition! i wouldn't shred a lot of XC bike, but would love to ride this one and give'r a bit just a tiny bit!!!!!
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 Transitions bike weights are hefty these days. almost 25lbs for a $13000 bike? No thanks.

I bought a patrol in 2015. The base model alloy frame weight was a touch over 30lbs. Now the new carbon Patrol frame weighs the same as the older alloy frames. The top spec'd bike weighs more than older lower spec'd bikes. The alloy frames are 3 pounds heavier than they used to be... why? don't tell me boost adds 3 pounds to a frame.
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 It's 3 grand for a 5.5 pound frame. You sound like a bitter Betty loser who can't afford the bike so you cry about it.
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 Those 800mm bars are gonna get cut by most people. Not that’s uncomfortable, it’s just a lot a trail are not even that wide.
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 The better Yeti SB115. No seriously, the first Transition bike that I'm genuinely interested in. Gorgeous looks, fun geometry.
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 Looks like a diet-2018-rocky mountain slayer.
That’s a good thing
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 Must have this bike. Who wants to buy my 2020 Spark RC AXS?
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 Why did you buy a 4 year old new bike in the first place?
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 @eugenux: The Spark is a fantastic bike and seems to working for Nino and Kate.
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flag eugenux (Jun 30, 2020 at 4:43) (Below Threshold)
 @mgs781HD:

I understand what you are saying..but, this is a 4 year old design. Not a bad bike but a relative old one.

And those guys are world class athletes, Nino is actually an olympian; he could 'work' a Huffy on a WC track. That does not mean we should also try that.
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 @eugenux: Your original snarky comment asked why I bought a 4 year old design and I answered you. We all know that it is less about the bike and more about the rider. In a way to contradicted yourself; if is mostly about the rider, who cares what bike they are on or if it is 4, 10, or 20 years old? I'm going to ride my out of date bike now...
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flag eugenux (Jun 30, 2020 at 6:17) (Below Threshold)
 @mgs781HD:

I'm not contradicting myself. If anyone wants to spend between 3500 and 10k on a bike then, that bike better be the most advanced bike in existence.

And, yes, we all know that bikes have a life cycle around 4 years. Maybe you should have considered that aspect before purchasing your new bike. Then again, maybe it is of little relevance to you so yeah, have fun riding your new bike!
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 @eugenux: what junk disposable bikes are you throwing away after 4 years?
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 @eugenux: "a life cycle around 4 years" Wink So after 4 years does geometry/suspension design magically stop working just because someone came up with different numbers (please note I'm not saying the new numbers aren't better, just that the 'old' ones do the exact same thing they did 4 years ago when you liked them)?

I get it, taking an ATX One DH to the bikepark today would feel weird (I'd still love to do that), but buying (literally) into the other extreme of always chasing the latest is part of the reason why we get stupidity like 2021 models starting in like Feb-March 2020 and tiny, almost meaningless on the trail, incremental changes designed specifically to leave room for more of the same next time.

Consider as well that the Spark RC is an XC race bike and it has a different geo to the Spur because it's intended for a completely different application, not because it's 'outdated'. And so far, it has been and still is very successful at that application, so good on Scott for sticking to a winning formula for a while and not changing for the sake of it.

Which suggests to me that if you're spending 3500 to 10k on a bike, you should think long and hard about what works for you rather than getting "the most advanced bike in existence". Otherwise, let's all sell our bikes and get Poles (ironically, it's geo is at least as old as the Spark's and still one of the most progressive on the market so what are we even talking about if we assume advancement trumps preference).
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 @eugenux: Frankly a lot of people think the bike industry has lost its mind with current geometry trends. If I was buying a 120mm travel bike the regular Scott Spark would make way more sense to me than this. My first thought looking at these numbers was that a bike with this geo and 120mm travel would get me into a lot of trouble! Expect to see these being tootled around by people who only ride easy trails but want something that makes them feel cool.
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 @bananowy:

Why do ppl always assume that one cannot reply without taken into consideration diff. aspects of bike design, purpose, etc.

Mgs781hd said, and I quote, "must have this bike; who wants a 2020 spark?"

I replied continuing on his logic; should I had give a reply along the lines "but hey, spark rc is a race bike (although I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with Nino's 110 front-120 in the back WC Spark) and this(Spur) is more of an all rounder marathon cross-country..like the new hei-hei..or the new revel...or the new epic evo...or the new scalpel SE..or the new..well, you get the point". Should I have started a discussion in which mgs781hd would have thought that I am implying he does not know anything about bikes as, per his reply, he is confused by diff bike genres.

The only appropiate thing to ask, at least imo, was about the reason behind purchasing a 4 year old design race bike; as, if you want a race bike, you probably want the fastest one, which, for sure it is going to be one launched this year. If he wanted an all rounder/marathon style, why the spark rc in the first place?

Back to your reply: don't be condescending when you have no superior arguments and/or logic; I also urge you to try different bikes from 4 years ago against current/modern bikes and see which ones are faster, stable, have better suspension design...basically, are better bikes; then we can discuss about incremential changes with no effect.
From my experience, doing the same 77 kms with 1800 m of ascension on 2018 Orbea Oiz and then on the 2019 model, the difference was about 23 minutes.
As for going down the hill, I have not timed anything as I am still getting used to the bike but, based on feel, my current 150-130mm nukeproof reactor is faster than my 170-160mm 2016 GT Sanction team edition and almost as fast as my 2019 custom(spec(parts) and geo) GT Sanction.

From where I'm standing, those changes do make a difference. It all depends if you care about it or not.

Cheers.
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 @eugenux: Ha Ha, I'm confused about bike genres... My man, I realize this has probably gone too far at this point but for the record, I race DH, Enduro, XC, and CX. My original post was a joke, I don't really want to sell my brand new Spark. The Spark is a brilliant bike, noticeable faster than the Epic I had before it. Is the new Epic or Scalpel faster than my Spark just because the HTA is slacker by one degree? Maybe, I won't know for a year or two until I replace the Spark. BTW, how is the riding in Romania? I was in Lasi last year for business.
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 @mgs781HD:

Man...my reply to bananowy was a theoretical one and in regard to his hypothesis.

Every type of riding and/or rider has place under the sun. I know some xc-guys(no pros) that would shame me on any down the hill ride and one dh guy(big, strong, trail builder type) that can shame me on any(and every) up-hill. So, I have(tried to) let go of the stereotypes for some time now.

I too, as I am not a xc racer, consider that most of 90-120mm bikes can be very good for xcm racing, especially since most of them can be build around 10 kgs with pedals.

I still don't understand why you have purchased a bike at the end of its life cycle instead of buying a modern(latest design) one but, that is your decision and your money so, basically, it does not concern me.

I can tell you that I have sold my big(and very customized) enduro bike and my custom Oiz precisely because of the fact that the geometries are keep changing in xc and enduro and I really did not want a bike that, by the this time next year, would be obsolete. That is why I'll wait and use my gravel bike for xc rides and my trail bike for everything else; although.., in all honesty, that's not really a trail bike..punching above it's paygrade with ease.

As for the riding...plenty of mountains, lots of foot/hiking/natural trails; plenty of amateur xc and xcm races(last year) with the occasional xco racing format. 6 national enduro style races with one being and ews qualifier + one national championship, also last year as this year, there was(still is) a break like all over around the world. To sum it up, our mtb is growing.

Cheers!(you should still have waited for the new Spark, at least imo)

P.S. I think you meant Iasi, not Lasi; and your business is probably IT related or agricultural related.
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 @friendlyfoe: I'm going to race BC Bike Race, pro class on it ????‍♂️. Does that make me a poser as you state?
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 @DetroitCity: damn it I usually remember to throw a "mostly" in there. BC bike race is a special kind of insanity where not only do they make you do multiple marathon xc races but also point you down black diamond trails. I could see this bike being the perfect compromise for that. If I'm going to ride black trails for fun though a 120mm bike just isn't the right tool for the job.
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 @friendlyfoe: Im curious what you would ride for that tool then? More bike? I'm probably moving to Revelstoke in a few months. So this will be my daily driver, I'll have something bigger too. Have the Element as my XC bike.
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 @DetroitCity: I got a Bronson this year as my local trails have plenty of 4-6 foot drops to flat plus the occasional rock garden to smash through. If I lived closer to lift access I would have gone full enduro. Obviously you can ride anything anywhere if you have the skill. My buddy disappears on me instantly with a hard tail but he used to race dh competitively. My only real point (if you can even call it that) is that from my perspective if I was going to ride terrain that justified this Geo I'd want a lot more travel. With the exception of BC bike race lol
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 Nailed it.
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 It’s a Smugglpur - and it’s blooming lovely
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 A Smugglur
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 @Franziskaner: Spuggler
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 @Caddz: Spurgler?
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 Real nice bike but it's ridiculous having the same size change day for all sizes in this day in age and for that price.
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 *Chain stays
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 So they following Evil now.
  • 5 2
 Aluminum please !!!
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 Unless they keep the carbon rear triangle that's never going to happen
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 @thegoodflow: Flex stays on aluminum is a terrible idea, aluminum has a hard limit on fatigue cycles.
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 @MaplePanda: In theory. In practice, I wonder at what point you'd actually reach that limit. I don't think these stays are flexing as far as you may think in order to go through the range of travel. Aluminum handlebars flex constantly too. Are you concerned about reaching the fatigue limit of your handlebars anytime soon?
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 @thegoodflow: Yea, I’m not sure about how much flex they actually go through. As long as it’s not Supercaliber level flex, it’s probably safe for a good while. I don’t personally worry about my bars because I’m not riding that hard, but I know some people do replace them every couple seasons.
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 @MaplePanda: Why not put a bearing at the axle pivot ?
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 @ATV25: I believe adding a pivot would change the suspension’s characteristics. Also adds complexity and weight to a pseudo-XC bike.
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 @MaplePanda: I actually designed a flex-less frame a couple of years ago that looked quite similar to this; single pivot, compact rocker. I'd intended to get it made in titanium which doesn't have the fatigue life issues. In that design, the total flex required of the seatstay was 1.2 degrees. Not a lot. I wonder though whether anyone would stand behind doing this in aluminium, given its different fatigue properties.
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 @dominic54: That's awesome! Yea, I imagine aluminum would be harder to work with. A good crash or two at the end of the frame's fatigue life would be extremely dangerous.
  • 1 0
 And a lifetime warranty on the frame - may be switching brands on the next purchase.
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 All I got from reading this is wanting to suck on a muddy nipple. Thanks Mike.
  • 1 0
 Anyone remember the GT Distortion? I feel like that bike was ahead of it's time
  • 2 0
 I want to see Vink Nico shred one of these.-
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 I imagine that the Smuggler is getting bumped to 130/140 or 150 now that Transition released a new shorter travel 29er.
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 I came into this review ready to mock this bike, but it looks cool.
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 Looks like an izzo
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 rad.... another $5,000-$8,000 carbon trail bike.

love the geo but geo is free.

call me when these bikes are $3 to $4k

until then ill keep riding my honzo.
  • 2 1
 I know it's a minor nitpick, but why not do internal routing on the brake line to clean things up?
  • 3 1
 because its a royal pain in the ass unless you have a big port that allows you to push the cable through the frame without cutting off the end of the hose.
  • 1 0
 Kinda wish i knew this was coming out before i started building up my banshee phantom a few weeks ago ????
  • 4 0
 The Banshee looks like a great bike, I wouldnt regret if I were you. We keep looking at new bikes and consuming new stuff, even if we dont actually need them. I have that feeling too. Sometimes I would like to own 30 bikes, new gloves, helmets, gadgets, but what is the point? Of course, the transition looks awesome, but so does the norco, the commencal, yt, banshee and plenty of others.
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 I don't wanna downvote ya but I totally disagree, the Phantom is a killer bike and I think you made a great choice. I have a new V3 Titan and it's top notch, I prefer it to my Sentinel. I've considered a Phantom as well, you are giving up a bit of weight, but very sim beyond that...
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 @RadBartTaylor: Yea, Im still excited about the banshee (I'm yet to ride it as I broke my scapula two days after I ordered it) guess I more so mean had this been out when I was looking to buy, it would have made the decision a bit tougher.
  • 4 0
 Got the first few rides done on my Phantom, you won't regret it once you ride it. Rides light (my build isn't particularly), super stout frame, likely more so than these new flyweight trail bikes. Amazing bike
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 @lyzyrdskydr: Agreed. I'm riding a 2015 Phantom and it handles all I can throw at it. Not saying this Transition couldn't handle it, but it's nice to have a bike that you know can handle drops and bike park stuff. Here's some of the things I do with my Phantom.

www.instagram.com/p/BjQVWWChioV
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 I have a similar bike on order, I might just hold out for this instead. The geometry seems excellent! Flex stay Horst Link race bike that's not a Specialized?!
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 It's not horst link. It's a linkage driven single pivot with a flex stay (vs pivot) driving the shock.
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 There are plenty of those flex-stay single-pivot bikes! Which do you have on order? I got a 2019 Kona Hei Hei CR/DL last winter, and I'm loving the athletic pedalling platform with good geo and a Fox 34SC up front!
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 @mtskibum16: Yeah I caught that after I posted that. Ain't no way that chain stay is flexing. "Giddy-Up" got me.
  • 1 0
 @GwenNirvana: Waiting on a Ripley. I'd build either with a 34 SC for sure. Looks like a pretty long lead time to get on a Spur though.
  • 2 0
 WOW.... BEAUTIFUL LOOKING BIKE!!!
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 This is the bike I actually wanted when I bought the 1st gen Smuggler, a real crossover between XC and trail bike.
  • 2 0
 Shouldn't the seat angle be getting steeper with size....?
  • 1 0
 Cool bike. I'll stick with the Ripley and DW Link in this travel range though.
  • 1 0
 Looks like a nice bike, good geo, just enough travel for anything but the biggest hits, would be a fun bike esp at ~25#.
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 A sub 25lb bike with decent tyres, four piston brakes and a decent dropper , wow !
  • 1 0
 I have a 2019 Scout, perfect UK bike, but I fancy one of these. Too much overbiking out there.
  • 1 0
 While it looks amazing, where is the hype with 80 degree seat tube? And 60 degree head angle?
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 Sub six pound frame? Better use it for XC. I would destroy this frame on Shore trails.
That said if I had XC trails a 25 pound bike with 5 by 5 travel would be the perfect bike.
  • 1 0
 When is this aforementioned field test coming out. My credit card is heating up!
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 It’s a smugglered spur
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 Sweet! But they forgot the XXL ????
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 IZZA Spark?
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 Won't take a longer fork...not a smuggler replacement Frown
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 Sure it will
  • 4 2
 @thegoodflow: not according to Transition themselves:

"We do not recommend running a fork with more than a (sic) 120mm of travel."
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 @aribr: so? They're not your mommy. You can put a 130-140 fork on there if you want to.
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 @thegoodflow: I'm with you, either put on whatever fork and be you own man, or buy a bike spec'd with a bigger fork.

Same thing I told my "max 180 rotor" fork. Seems like a 203 will fit. Bike hasn't burst into flames yet.
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 @RonSauce: I agree, I will get a frame spec'ed for a longer fork.

I wanted this to be a 140/120 bike cause I'm not putting a longer fork on the 3500USD (here) frame that will void the warranty if something goes south.
  • 1 1
 @aribr: The SID does not support 130mm of travel. So I'm guessing its not Transition that does not recommend the 130 fork, but Rockshox.
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 @jlbanta: actually it is right there on transition's website.

Anyway, this is not the smuggler replacement I was hoping for....time to look elsewhere.
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 @RonSauce: Right, the geo would be fine with a 130. Like, maybe think twice if you weigh 275 lbs but do people think the headtube is just gonna shear off or something? It's a whopping 1.8% increase in a2c length.... wow. I think it'll be ok. I'm guessing transitions recommendation comes more from a marketing angle than anything. They probably don't want it to step on the toes of the upcoming new 135/140 smuggler release
  • 1 0
 @thegoodflow: is there a new smuggler coming? That's very interesting!
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 @aribr: I don't know, to be honest, just speculating. But I'd be really surprised if they didn't. There's a pretty big gap between this bike and the new sentinel.
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 @thegoodflow: Good chance it would void the warranty though.
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 @addingst: maybe so, but that'd be super lame of them to do it that.
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 @thegoodflow: When I was getting my new shock they said if i "overshocked" it, it would void the warranty. But that's because there was the possibility of the shock damaging the frame. I'm not 100% certain they'd void it for longer forks, but it'd be worth asking about.
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 @aribr: I'd bet the reasoning behind it was since they made the frame quite light, that they don't want riders overforking it too much and hucking big with it. I'd overfork it, but I'm 140lbs and not hucking 25ft gap jumps.
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 @addingst: sure can't hurt to ask, but over-shocking the rear is different. Also, their quote above says that they don't recommend it, not that they prohibit it. Seriously, it they denied a warranty claim because you used a 130 fork on a 120 bike that's built to "descend anything you may encounter along the way", that'd be like the lamest shit ever
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 @thegoodflow: I certainly hope there is a Smuggler replacement coming.

I'm a very happy 2019 Carbon Smuggler owner, and with a DPX2 it's a great all-arounder.

The Smuggler's a fantastic bike, but has a frame-weight that puts it at a disadvantage to other similar bikes (actually heavier than a Ripmo). I'm much more-often surprised at how well the Smuggler eats up rough terrain, than I am worried that it isn't enough bike. But, pretty regularly I do use up all 140mm of front travel, and every once in a while I wish for a bit more travel in the back for the rough stuff.

There's a pretty big gap right now between the 120mm/120mm XC-focused Spur and the 150mm/160mm Sentinel. Another 29" model somewhere in the middle is basically my ideal 1-bike quiver, and I hope Transition comes out with a new bike in that sweet spot soon.
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 @atourgates: I long shocked my 2018 SMuggler to 132 with an offset bushing and Cane Creek coil. Then bumped up my MRP Ribbon coil fork to 150. It's the perfect Smuggler but I fear Transition is done with it.
  • 2 0
 Day of the down country
  • 2 0
 Gorgeous
  • 1 0
 Damn, this thing looks great!
  • 1 0
 Mullet in small sizes please!
  • 1 0
 this deep turquoise version is so sexy
  • 1 3
 Ahhhh beautiful, has the looks of a mondraker the price of a pole,and the jenesaqua ofF a Bike from 2015 yarrrrrr, next you lot will be amazed by the new short xc wheel base high bottom bracket version,
  • 2 1
 Hey look, another awesome bike I won't be able to afford
  • 2 0
 If you want it badly enough, you’ll find a way.
  • 1 0
 Does Transition do a frame/fork/seatpost deal if you ask?
  • 1 0
 I was unsuccessful today in my attempt at that, due to supply and demand of the SID 35 I wanted.
  • 2 0
 YT Izzo?
  • 1 0
 That is a beautiful bike.
  • 1 0
 will this work with 51mm offset fork?
  • 1 0
 Give me a new Bottlerocket next please Smile
  • 1 0
 I'll take your Spur Medium ;-)
  • 1 2
 Saving weight by using non-sealed bearings? Oh man. I think I’d prefer the minor grams and not replacing bearings every few months (UK being what it is].
  • 2 0
 All bearings are sealed. The design does away with one set of bearings and pivot hardware altogether through the flex stays.
  • 1 0
 lemme see the b roll of yall climbing the whole trail Wink
  • 2 1
 2500grams? i think a ripmo w/ piggyback weighs that much.
  • 1 0
 Yeah, but don't put a 130 fork on it or it'll explode and don't be expecting any warranty support neither
  • 1 0
 No. Ripmo is nearly 2.9kg which is a basically a pound more. The ripley isn’t even 2500g, it’s more like 2700g
  • 1 0
 Awesome lookin rig. Love the light weight.
  • 1 0
 *laughs in Tallboy 4* lol
  • 1 0
 Intended use: mountainbiking.
  • 1 0
 How would this bike perform with a 140mm fork ?
  • 1 0
 Why WAKI hasn't showed up already?
  • 1 0
 Izzo Transition?
  • 2 0
 Yep
  • 1 0
 WANT
  • 2 1
 Ya....not an XC bike.
  • 2 1
 Spur or Tallboy..
  • 4 1
 or SB 100 or SB 115 or Optic or Top Fuel or Scalpel or Ryve or Epic EVO, or hei hei, or, or, or. this category is getting full of offerings...
  • 1 0
 I agree Spur, Tallboy, and Optic will be a great showdown. I was still hoping this would be more like an updated Smuggler, but cool bike for what it is.
  • 3 1
 @Bkinzel99: Throw Revel Ranger in the mix. Can't wait for Pinkibike field test,
  • 4 2
 Tallboy is heavy AF. Its not in the same league as this Spur.
  • 1 0
 @tunnel-vision: My XL tallboy CC frame is 3kg. So in medium the tallboy should be like 400gr heavier than the Spur. I do agree they are not in the same league, let's compare with the new Smuggler that should come out soon.
  • 1 0
 @TheLittleFox: Ideally would spec a tallboy with the spurs X01 build kit just a shame that new sid ultimate can't run 130mm, otherwise they'd have a similar weight, geo & travel putting them in the same league for me atleast.
  • 1 1
 Easy. Ripley.
  • 1 1
 no more smuggler. smuggler is all gone.
  • 1 0
 Tallboy probably
  • 1 0
 @tunnel-vision: its a different bike.
  • 1 0
 Take my money!
  • 1 0
 So sick !
  • 2 2
 Don't think I could ever go back to a fork with 32mm stanchions
  • 2 0
 This is the new SID with 35mm stanchions.
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 @gilbygilbertson: Thanks as I couldn't spot that anywhere, nice bike !
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 Looks like a mini session!
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flag tempest3070 (Jun 30, 2020 at 7:52) (Below Threshold)
 It's funny this is neg propped since it has an axle pivot and the suspension works the same as a session or fuel/ex
  • 2 1
 @tempest3070: what axle pivot?
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