Trek Remedy 9.9 RSL - Review

Oct 24, 2016
by Mike Kazimer  




The Remedy has been in Trek's lineup for over a decade, and while its appearance (and wheelsize) have morphed over the years, throughout it all the bike has straddled the line between the trail and all-mountain side of the spectrum, with a little more travel and slacker angles than what you'd find on a more cross-country oriented machine.

The 2017 model is no exception, with 150mm of rear travel, 27.5” wheels, and an updated frame design. At the top of the line sits the full carbon Remedy 9.9 Race Shop Limited, bristling with high end components like SRAM's 12-speed Eagle drivetrain, a RE:activ equipped Deluxe shock in the rear, and 160mm RockShox Lyrik RCT3 up front. Stopping duties are handled by a set of SRAM Guide Ultimate brakes, and it all rolls on a Bontrager Line Elite 30 wheelset shod with Bontrager SE4 Team Issue tires. All of those niceties will set you back a penny less than $8,000 USD.
Trek Remedy 9.9 RSL Details

• Intended use: all-mountain / enduro race
• Rear wheel travel: 150mm
• Wheel size: 27.5"
• Carbon fiber frame
• BB92 bottom bracket
• Sizes: 15.5, 17.5, 18.5, 19.5, 21.5
• Weight (as shown, size L w/o pedals): 28 lb (12.7 kg)
• MSRP: $7,999 USD
www.trekbikes.com / @trek

A little rich for your tastes? There's an aluminum framed model of the Remedy RSL that's equipped with a 160mm RockShox Lyrik RC and a SRAM X1 1x11 drivetrain for $4,499 USD.


Trek Remedy 9.9 RSL review
The Knock Block might prevent bar spins, but it also protects the frame from being damaged by the fork.
Trek Remedy 9.9 RSL review
The housing for the dropper, brake, and derailleur is tucked out of the way inside the large diameter downtube.


Frame Details

From the side, the shape of the Remedy's frame doesn't look radically different than that of last year's model, but once you're close enough to see the dimensions of the downtube it's immediately apparent that there have been significant changes. That straightening and enlarging of the downtube was done to increase frame stiffness, although it did create a hurdle for Trek's engineers to overcome – the new shape meant that the fork's crown hit the frame if it was turned too far.

Rather than sacrificing stiffness, Trek came up with the 'Knock Block', which relies on a replaceable stop chip located on the top tube that works with a keyed headset top cap in order to prevent the fork from turning too far. There's also a special keyed stem from Bontrager that helps ensure all of the parts remain lined up. Non-Bontrager stems are compatible with the Knock Block system, although you'll need a clamping headset spacer before you can install your favorite stem. As an added security measure, a downtube protector is in place, just in case the tab that stops the fork from turning too far somehow fails to do its job.


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The Mino Link chip can be flipped to adjust the bike's geometry.
Trek Remedy 9.9 RSL review
The Remedy comes appropriately spec'd with a short stem and 780mm wide bars.


Trek was the first company to come out with a bike equipped with Boost spacing, so it's not surprising that the Remedy has a 12 x 148mm rear end and a 15 x 110mm fork up front. Those numbers mean that there's room for running meaty tires on wide rims while still maintaining plenty of mud clearance. The brake, derailleur and dropper housing are tucked away inside the frame, further adding to the bike's clean and modern look.

ISCG 05 tabs are in place for riders who want to add on a chain guide, and it's also possible to mount a front derailleur for those who haven't yet seen the 1x drivetrain light. A water bottle cage can be mounted in the ideal spot - on top of the downtube – a feature that's always nice to see.



Trek Remedy 9.9 RSL review

Suspension Design

By this point in time, Trek's Active Braking Pivot (ABP) suspension design has become a familiar sight, appearing on everything from their Session downhill bike to the XC race-oriented Top Fuel. ABP uses a pivot that rotates around the rear axle, with the intention being to prevent braking forces from affecting the rear shock in any way. The shock itself isn't attached to a fixed point on the frame; instead, it's attached to the chainstay and the upper rocker link, allowing it to 'float' for what Trek says is increased sensitivity.

The Remedy 9.9 relies on a metric RockShox Deluxe for its 150mm of travel, but this isn't a 'regular' Deluxe shock. It's had a RE:activ valve added in, based on the technology that Trek developed in conjunction with Penske.

For those that are unfamiliar with RE:activ technology, the basic gist is that it was designed to improve a bike's pedaling performance without diminishing its ability to absorb impacts. A spring-loaded valve inside the shock body allows for increased low-speed compression for pedaling support on smoother terrain, but when the shock's shaft speed increases the valve opens up, enabling the shock to quickly and smoothly absorb the impact before the valve closes again.


Geometry

Longer and slacker has become a familiar refrain when it comes to mountain bike geometry, and the new Remedy is no exception. Compared to the previous version, the Remedy's reach has increased from 434mm to 459mm for a size large, and the head angle has changed from 67.5-degrees to 66 degrees. Flipping the small chip that's located at the top of each seatstay lowers the bottom bracket height by 7mm and slackens the head angle even further to 65.5-degrees.


Remedy 27.5 2017 geometry






3 Questions With John Riley, Trek's MTB Product Manager


Let's talk about the Knock Block. Deciding to incorporate that technology on the Fuel EX, Remedy, and Slash is a big step – how did that come about? Was there one particular factor that tipped the scales in favor of going that route?

Gaining frame stiffness was the driving factor in the development of Knock Block. Trail riders are demanding increasingly capable bikes, and one way to provide that is to increase frame stiffness for better composure through rougher sections of trail. A few rounds of analysis and testing revealed that we could gain significant stiffness without adding any additional weight by eliminating the fork clearance curve in the downtube. Of course, then we needed a way to protect the downtube, and Knock Block was the simplest, most reliable way to do that.

This is the first season we've seen RockShox suspension equipped with the RE:activ damper. What did it take to make that a reality? Is it a matter of licensing the technology to RockShox, and they then produce their own version of the damper, or are the damper parts sourced from somewhere else?

It is not a simple plug-and-play solution. Rather it required independent development with RockShox. RockShox was supplied the same development information and insight from the Suspension R&D Lab that was supplied to Fox. We respected the independent development work done by Fox and didn’t share any of that. RockShox had the autonomy to design their own version that would work within their own requirements. However, we controlled the performance characteristics, tuning and conducted testing, both with RockShox and independently, prior to going into production.

Fun anecdote: In a happy turn of events that made the RE:activ application at RockShox relatively painless is Dave Camp. Dave worked for Trek for a couple of years at the Suspension R&D Lab. He helped develop the RE:activ technology for mountain bikes. A couple of years ago, Dave decided he wanted to move back to CO, and RockShox snatched him up! He’s now one of their rear shock engineers at the Colorado Springs SRAM development center. His first-hand RE:activ knowledge allowed him to apply the technology to RockShox products without delay and growing pains.


Why not equip the larger frame sizes with a 150mm dropper post?

For many riders who don’t have long inseams, a 150mm dropper can cause fitting issues. We spec 125mm droppers to provide a better range of adjustment within a given frame size.







Specifications
Specifications
Release Date 2017
Price $7999.99
Travel 150mm
Rear Shock RockShox Deluxe RT3, RE:aktiv 3-position damper, tuned by Trek Suspension Lab, 230x57.5mm
Fork RockShox Lyrik RCT3, Dual Position Air, Charger Damper, E2 tapered steerer, Boost110, 130mm/160mm travel
Headset Knock Block Integrated, cartridge bearing, sealed, 1-1/8" top, 1.5" bottom
Cassette SRAM XG-1295, 10-50, 12 speed
Crankarms SRAM X01 Eagle, 32T Direct Mount X-Sync
Bottom Bracket PF92
Rear Derailleur SRAM X01 Eagle
Chain SRAM X01 Eagle
Shifter Pods SRAM X01 Eagle, 12 speed
Handlebar Bontrager Line Pro, OCLV Carbon, 35mm, 27.5mm rise, 780 width
Stem Bontrager Line Pro, Knock Block,
Brakes SRAM Guide Ultimate carbon hydraulic disc
Wheelset Bontrager Line Elite 30
Tires Bontrager SE4 Team Issue, Tubeless Ready, Core Strength sidewalls, 120tpi, aramid bead, 27.5x2.40"
Seat Bontrager Evoke 3, titanium rails
Seatpost Bontrager Drop Line 125

Trek Remedy launch in Squamish British Columbia. June 2016.








Setup

Getting the suspension dialed in on the Remedy was a straightforward affair, and to make it even easier Trek offers a suspension settings calculator on their website. I didn't remember that that tool existed until well into the test period, but when I entered my information I found that the suggested air pressures were on target, and close to the settings that I came up with on my own. I ran the RockShox Deluxe rear shock with 30% sag, which equated to matching the air pressure to my body weight. Up front, I ran 88psi in the dual position Lyrik, and adjusted the amount of low-speed compression and rebound damping to my liking.


Trek Launch in Squamish BC Canada June 2016

Climbing

The new Remedy, particularly the RSL edition, is more focused on downhill performance than ever before, but that doesn't mean it can't hold its own on the climbs. It's obviously not a cross-country race machine, but for a bike that could easily take on a day in the bike park or an Enduro World Series course, it's a very capable climber. That 28-pound weight helps in this regard, a weight that makes it easy to feel comfortable taking the Remedy out for long days of riding that involve plenty of vertical.

On extended climbing sections I usually flipped the Deluxe's compression lever to the middle compression setting, which created a nice platform for out of the saddle efforts while minimizing the amount of rear suspension movement. The frame's stiffness also became evident during those uphill grinds - there's zero wiggling or flexing from the rear end or bottom bracket area, no matter how hard you stomp on the pedals.

On more technical sections of trail, the type where maintaining rear end traction was crucial, I ran the shock in the fully open position. This did create a little more suspension bob, but the reduced compression helped keep rear wheel glued to the ground on loose or slippery sections of trail.

Reducing the travel on the Lyrik fork from 160mm down to 130mm only takes a second – just turn the dial on the left side top cap and you're good to go, with the idea being that the reduced travel and resulting steeper head angle will create better climbing performance. The concept makes sense on paper, but out on the trail I preferred to leave the fork in the longer travel setting at all times. Decreasing the travel shifted my weight forward, and made it feel like I was dragging cinder block up the trail behind me. I know there are riders who swear by their adjustable travel forks, but I'm not one of them. In any case, the vast majority of my time on the Remedy took place with the fork fully extended.


Trek Launch in Squamish BC Canada June 2016

Descending

The black and red machine accompanied me on a smorgasbord of rowdy trails over the summer, everywhere from the dry and dusty Whistler Bike Park to the slabby steeps of Squamish and the rooty, loamy trails near my home in Bellingham, Washington. Throughout it all, the most impressive trait was the amount of traction the Remedy had, all while maintaining plenty of support for pushing into berms or popping off the lips of jumps.

The RE:activ equipped Deluxe shock has a way of smoothing out the small chatter that made it easy to trust that the rear end would hold, even in slimy, wet weather. It also remained extremely composed when touching down into chunky sections of trail, times when the combination of the stiff frame and a supple shock made it easy to keep plowing straight down the trail. The rear suspension feels fairly linear in the beginning of its travel, with the ramp up coming deeper towards the end of the stroke, especially compared to a bike like the YT Capra. This helped make it feel like there was more than 150mm of travel available, and created a very balanced feeling between the front and rear suspension. The RockShox Deluxe shock comes with two volume spacers installed, and although I did experiment with adding a third spacer, I found that I preferred the feel of the stock configuration.

Trek Launch in Squamish BC Canada June 2016
bigquotesThroughout it all, most impressive trait was the amount of traction the Remedy had, all while maintaining plenty of support for pushing into berms or popping off the lips of jumps.


I initially started with the Remedy in the 'high' geometry setting, the position that the bike arrived in, before switching over to the 'low' position for the remainder of the test period. I'm lucky enough to live in an area where there are plenty of long, steep trails, trails where the 65.5-degree head angle is very appropriate, but I can see riders who typically ride more moderate terrain running the bike in the slightly quicker handling 'high' setting, and then switching things up when visiting areas with wilder riding. Even in that slacker setting, I didn't have any trouble getting the Remedy airborne off of lippy jumps, or popping off of natural features.

As far as contemporaries go, the Remedy falls in line with the likes of the Santa Cruz Bronson and the Transition Patrol. These well-rounded rides are more manageable on varied terrain than some of the full-blown enduro race / mini-DH bikes out there, but can also hold their own when things get technical. Compared to the Transition Patrol, the Remedy didn't feel quite as low slung, and seemed to be ever-so-slightly less eager to whip through a series of tight turns. On the flipside, when it came time to point, shoot, and plow straight down the fall line, the Remedy felt more controlled than either the Bronson or Patrol, making short work of whatever chunky nastiness I aimed it at. That being said, all three bikes are at the top of their class, and while there are subtle handling differences, I'd say it's a draw as far as overall performance goes, a testament to just how evolved this style of bike has become.


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Bontrager's SE4 tires are worth a look, no matter what brand of bike you're on.
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The Drop Line post's lever has a thumb friendly, easy to activate design.


Component Check

• SRAM Eagle Drivetrain: It's easy to puff your chest and laugh at the dinner plate sized, 50-tooth cog that's the hallmark of SRAM's new 12-speed drivetrain, but it earned its keep on multiple occasions as I made my way up ridiculously steep logging roads. Sure, I could have made it up them with a narrower gear range, but it would have taken more effort, and required more out of the saddle straining. Shifting was quick and accurate, and I never lost a chain, even on rough, high speed trails. The Remedy comes with a 32-tooth front ring, but I'd be inclined to go with a 34-tooth ring in order to gain additional top end speed to go along with the easier granny gear.

• Bontrager SE4 Tires: The 2.4” SE4 tires are downright impressive all-rounders, capable of handling everything from hardpack to soft and sloppy trails. It's their predictability that earns these tires a place on my list of favorites – they just work, without any odd handling, no matter the terrain. The tread compound is grippy enough for creeping down steep rock faces, but they're still quick rolling, making them an ideal choice for the Remedy. In really wet, mucky conditions I can see putting on a meatier tire up front, but otherwise there's absolutely no need to swap them out for anything else.

• Knock Block: The Knock Block didn't hinder my ride experience at all, even when working my way through tight uphill switchbacks. You can still turn the front wheel to around 75°, and I can't say I've ridden many trails that required a sharper turn than that. I also had a decent sized crash while testing the Remedy, the type where I ended up on the ground while the bike took a couple extra tumbles through the woods. It's not something I make a habit of, but it happens - this is mountain biking after all. The bike survived, and so did the Knock Block. The little tab didn't break, the fork didn't hit the frame, and even better, I didn't break any bones. A good day all around.

All that being said, was it absolutely necessary for Trek to incorporate the Knock Block rather than using a different frame shape? I'm honestly not sure, mainly because I didn't have any issues with the stiffness of the previous Remedy. Of course, I'm also at least a year's worth of binging at an all-you-can-eat buffet away from being able to get near the Clydesdale category - it's possible that larger riders were noticing flex where I didn't.


Trek Remedy 9.9 RSL review
Plush, stiff, and silent, the RockShox Lyric RCT3 performed flawlessly.
Trek Remedy 9.9 RSL review
The same goes for the SRAM Eagle 12-speed drivetrain - no dropped chains, and no mechanical troubles.


• Bontrager Drop Line Dropper Post: The Drop Line post is extremely simple to install, thanks to the fact that it's cable activated, with the cable length adjusted at the thumb lever. The lever itself has a nice ergonomic shape, and it doesn't take much force to activate the post. After a few muddy rides the post's return speed slowed, but some lube around the wiper seemed to help, although it'll take more wet weather riding to really comment on durability. I do wish the Remedy came with the 150mm version of the Drop Line rather than the 125, at least for the larger frame sizes. 25mm may not seem like much, but I like having my seat as far out of the way as possible for steep downhill sections.


• RockShox Lyrik RCT3 DPA: I already mentioned that I rarely made use of the Lyrik's travel adjust feature, but the actual performance of the fork was stellar. Buttery smooth right out of the box, it remained that way for the entire test period, despite all of the hard riding it was subjected to. In the past, RockShox's Dual Position forks didn't always feel as supple as their Solo Air models, but it seems like that has changed, at least in this case – the fork on the Remedy felt just as plush and responsive as the non-travel adjust model.




Pinkbike's Take:

bigquotesTrek have created the most capable version of the Remedy yet, and the RSL version sits comfortably in the all-mountain / enduro race category. It strikes a nice balance between being a bike that likes to plow and one that prefers to pop off little features, with a level of versatility that allows it to be just as adept on long trail rides as it is taking laps in a bike park. - Mike Kazimer




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About the Reviewer
Stats: Age: 34 • Height: 5'11” • Inseam: 33" • Weight: 160lb • Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Twenty years deep into a mountain biking addiction that began as a way to escape the suburban sprawl of Connecticut, Mike Kazimer is most at home deep the woods, carving his way down steep, technical trails. The decade he spent as a bike mechanic helped create a solid technical background to draw from when reviewing products, and his current location in the Pacific Northwest allows for easy access to the wettest, muddiest conditions imaginable.



234 Comments

  • 155 7
 Looks like it would be a fun bike to session.
  • 82 12
 The obSession with that joke is trekking on tiresome
  • 106 3
 there is no remedy for your bad puns
  • 45 10
 Don't be such a knock block. Just having fun.
  • 91 2
 @moefosho: ah sorry, maybe I was just a bit overRE:activ
  • 8 38
flag jfkusa (Oct 23, 2016 at 23:16) (Below Threshold)
 Gotta hand it to PB, they really knocked it out of the park with this review.
  • 6 23
flag headshot (Oct 24, 2016 at 1:55) (Below Threshold)
 That is a Great Trek! (Only Saffers will understand that one)
  • 5 7
 @headshot: looks like you've yet to decolonize your mind XD... SIES!!!
  • 13 3
 This is where the trail ends for you. You'll be facing life behind bars. These puns are getting unreal. You think there is strength in numbers for you people who come up with these not bad puns.
  • 10 3
 The puns have reached a Tipping Point.
  • 4 3
 Everytime i see this bike , Black Crowes music gets stuck in my head for hours. So annoying
  • 8 1
 mind if I add some more Fuel to this thread?
  • 5 2
 That's it you guys. We really need to Slash these puns.
  • 2 2
 How semen and reader gonna barspin it ?
  • 4 0
 @chyu: semen?! not the coolest nickname ^^
  • 121 16
 $8000 bike dripping in house brand parts. Siiiiick.
  • 61 11
 Fair but unlike many other house brands (spec/roval, giant) Bontrager stuff is mostly good enough to stand on its own.
  • 29 1
 @ryan83: you are right bontrager stuff is pretty good but it defeated the purpose of an inhouse brand long ago, not having the pretty aftermarket sticker means it should cost less but they actually cost more than some of the very recognized brands who drop big bucks in sponsorship and marketing.
  • 4 1
 Well... They can put on a bunch of name brand aftermarket bling and bump up the price some more... Maybe put on some Enve wheels and bump up the price to 10k...
  • 9 2
 Not a Trek fan but looking at the Remedy, the one below this one (sorry don't have the model name off hand, the Blue one) costs about $1000 less than a similarly spec'd Santa Cruz or Yeti in the shop I use in Canada.... so there are some savings.
  • 13 12
 Exactly! Why would I buy this bike over the $6600 X01 Bronson?
  • 43 3
 @packfill: I don't know, I give up, why would you buy this bike over the $6600 X01 Bronson?
  • 8 17
flag wibblywobbly (Oct 24, 2016 at 9:42) (Below Threshold)
 yup. Don't care how good the house brand stuff is, it looks and feels cheap. And it's obviously not saving any money.
  • 4 11
flag packfill (Oct 24, 2016 at 10:27) (Below Threshold)
 @mattsavage: hmm... apparently, rhetorical questions are lost on you.
  • 23 2
 @packfill: Exactly! Why are rhetorical questions lost on me and why are my rhetorical questions lost on others...? There may be an $8000 answer out there.
  • 17 2
 @wibblywobbly: so are you saying if I took a Bontrager bar and a Race Face bar without graphics, you could tell the difference between the two?
  • 8 2
 @packfill: hmm...would appear that sarcasm may be lost on you...
  • 11 2
 @lumpy873: I would run a Bontrager carbon bar without hesitation. Not sure why the uproar.
  • 6 5
 @lumpy873: probably not there might be some slight improvements but if they are same length and width i doubt much difference is felt.
For me they are just about the bling. so if im paying the same amount I want the one that gets me the most street cred.
  • 15 1
 Race face was once "house brand", boyo
  • 2 3
 @lumpy873: There are plenty of other people in this very comment section who can feel the difference in stiffness between the 2016 and 2017 frame so I'm going to say yes.
  • 12 2
 Why all the hate on house brand parts? I've never had a problem with any Bontrager part I've used. The only reason I change out parts is to change the look of my bike, and I'm on my 8th Trek bike (not all mountain bikes). If you don't like the parts, then change them. Lets face it, if you're buying an $8000 bike, you can afford to swap a few parts. 95% of us won't be looking at the top end model anyway, so who cares what parts it has? I think it looks super clean anyway. I might be a bit of a Trek fanboy, but hey, they make some bad ass bikes.
  • 3 0
 I've been riding a 9.8 for a few months coming from a 2015 Rune. It beats the Rune hands down in every area. I loved the Rune but bought the Remedy exactly because there were lots of changes - geometry, weight, metric shock, wider rims. It's only a touch better in the rough stuff, but more importantly for me is miles better on mellow trails, which makes 80% of my riding much more fun.
  • 2 0
 @Pennyrisk: Wish I had the money for the updated one, but I'm still having miles of fun on my 2009. It still inspires me to look for potential upgrades and pour more money into it, because it's so damn fun!
  • 2 0
 @fercho25: so, how much more would you pay for that street cred?
  • 1 0
 @wibblywobbly: how did we jump from house brand parts to frames?
  • 6 0
 Bontrager parts are excellent well engineered and very high quality. There's no reason to upgrade anything on this bike
  • 3 1
 @lumpy873: depends on how much purple anodizing is involved.
  • 4 1
 8 grand for this? It's over twice the price off something like the new Commencal meta and is it twice as good? My money's on the meta being the better bike.
  • 1 0
 @packfill: ride them both and you"ll see
  • 1 0
 @TheStig04: bontrager is not endurbro approved....
  • 1 0
 @fercho25: I had to up vote that just for mentioning purple anno...
  • 3 0
 Why all the hate on Bontrager? Don't forget that 1) Bontrager was an established and respected premium brand long before Trek acquired it, and 2) it's not rebranded Taiwanese catalog stuff like most company's components.

I think it'd be instructive to cite the weights and specs of Bonti bars and stems to the other name-brand parts. I think they'd hold up to scrutiny just fine.
  • 2 1
 @sngltrkmnd: except it is rebranded Taiwanese catalog stuff now

At the end of the day, a bar is a bar and a stem is a stem and it works fine and is competitive on weight. It just looks cheap on an 8000$ bike
  • 2 0
 who pays full retail though? I bought my 9.8 for $6300nzd ($4500usd), dunno if they're more expensive elsewhere but over here that's a pretty good bang for buck.
  • 1 1
 @wibblywobbly: the whole idea of the straight downtube was to be as stiff as the slash.... which doesnt have a straight downtube
  • 54 2
 "For many riders who don’t have long inseams, a 150mm dropper can cause fitting issues."

On their larger sizes? Uh, maybe they should reduce the seat tube length if there's fitting issues with what is now a very common part...
  • 5 0
 Haha I copied that text as well on my way down, ready to quote & say the exact same thing.
  • 13 5
 Not a surprising statement from the company that wins multiple bike of the year awards for the 29 Remedy and then pulls the 29 version from the range...
  • 10 1
 It's not an issue with a large seat tube, it's the room inside the frame of how low you can drop it before it hits the pivot inside the frame. I had a customer that even had a difficult time dropping a 125 into a Medium frame. He still had an inch before the seatpost was bottomed out, but the hose bottomed inside the frame. Went with a 9point8 over the Reverb, and was able to lower it further
  • 3 2
 I was going to say the same thing. This keeps me off a 19.5 and that strikes Trek off my list.
  • 4 0
 @mtnbykr05: Yes, I see it - they've gone and stuck the pivot axle right through the seat tube, hardly any distance below the top tube intersection. That would annoy me - I've managed to fit a 170mm Reverb on my medium 2014 Spitfire!
  • 6 1
 Ok, so this simply a badly designed frame. Enduro bike should have a bit more place in ST than a DH bike ... I cannot imagine frame size L+ which cannot accept a 150mm dropper fully recessed into a frame - i is like 22cm for God's sake.
  • 3 0
 @Harlsta: Agreed! I have no idea what TREK is doing with the Fuel, Remedy & Slash right now. Its like they threw everything they have been saying & testing as "R&D" and marketing out the window.
  • 10 2
 For what it's worth, I was able to run a 150mm Fox Transfer post on the size large Remedy without any fit issues.

And @Harlsta, even though the new Fuel EX has slightly less travel than the Remedy 29 did, it has a slacker head angle and shorter chainstays - I'd say it's a worthy replacement, especially with the Slash coming into play as the enduro beast.
  • 5 1
 @mikekazimer: Very true. I just think they are making things a little confusing... Like BMW and how they name and change how they name their cars.

In my mind if you have a good thing going (like the Remedy 29 with 140ish mm of travel in 29) you continue to tweak it with developments like slackening the head tube, shortening the stays and maybe even throw in a threaded bottom bracket! For the record I'm currently riding a 9.8 Remedy 29 and it is a great bike.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer:

Yes, but you have a 34" inseam. My stubby legs won't work with Trek. Droppers are getting longer and 170mm may become common.
  • 2 0
 Shorten the seat tube, Trek!
  • 1 1
 @mikekazimer:

You might want to check the geometry chart. The seat tube lengths don't match between the high/low settings and the ETT/reach numbers don't seem to add up either.

Mentioning seat tube depth, actual measured seat tube length and the slammability of droppers would be really cool to see in reviews. I've got short legs for my height and my last bike buying experience involved emailing about three manufacturers to double check that I could actually get away with using a 150mm dropper in their frames.
  • 1 0
 @mtnbykr05: that's exactly what I had to do although I'm happy because the reverb is garbage anyways
  • 2 0
 My Remedy 9 Rsl came with a 150mm Reverb. Pretty happy with that.
  • 3 0
 @Harlsta: Fellow 9.8 29 owner here. I'm still a bit puzzled about the change to this bike. FWIW I had my suspension guy extend my 36 to 160mm when it was serviced last week - I really like the small increase in travel. Effectively made it a Slash!
  • 34 3
 Rockshox, Sram, matching stickers, yawn
  • 4 0
 Yawn for sure. But got my jaw dislocated at $8k
  • 25 4
 with bikes like these, it's easy to why so many are lining up at canyons and YTs doors to buy their bikes, 99% of the performance for 40% of the price, although that'd be different if trek offered a 5 year everything covered warranty, or threw in some fork and shock servicing, and promised not to release a new "standard" for at least 10 years.
  • 10 0
 ..Especially the "standard" part!!
  • 12 6
 You're just buying a bike with Canyon and YT. With other brands you're buying service from the shop. I offer 2 years tune ups at my shop, that quickly adds up for some customers. As well as that shops will deal directly with any warranty issues that may come up, give you a demo bike while its been sorted, things like that you don't get without the local shop. Thats nothing against Canyon or YT, they make a great bike but their customers I believe are been pretty narrow minded.
  • 3 0
 @tomgibson: good for you! Very few lbs can offer decent services at least in my country. If i was offered with sevices like the ones you mention i would be tempted.
Keep up the good work. Serious proffessionals have nothing to be afraid from the direct sales model. Think of it. The market will became full of high end bikes with very few serious proffesionals to deal with them.
  • 11 2
 now lets think of this from a consumer standpoint lets say i get 2-3 tunes a year 80 per thats 240 bucks a year and only hold onto the bike for 5 years 5*240= 1200

so lets compair the yt capra comp 2 and the remedy 9 both are the top of the line aluminum frame

3000 for the YT 4500 for the remedy 9 the yt has a better fork, rear shock and wheels

so is 1500 bukcs really worht it for free service over the course of 5 years as the cost of the quailty of the build on the bike? im gunna say no
  • 1 0
 @freeridejerk888: most people usually service suspension once a year and so 2-3 of those on a £6000 bike it's nothing, and i said either a long warranty or some servicing, with a decent warranty many riders would appreciate it, as usually it's only the frame which is covered for more than a year, and then you're buggered if something on the wheels breaks, or for some extremely rare circumstances, if your fork or shock break, then you're left with trying to get them fixed or replaced, and as we all know that shit ain't cheap.

it may sound a little farfetched, but with the rise of direct sales, things like decent warranties, and service packages are what's going to be a deciding factor, as it's either match the price or make the higher priced bike seem better value.
  • 14 4
 @freeridejerk888: i don't see YT supporting local youth events, i don't see YT sponsoring local races and events, YT don't employ local riders from your local town, YT don't support my local trail networks and help build and maintain trails. YT won't be there when you taco a wheel and need it rebuilt asap so you can ride with your buddies, when your YT frame breaks im guessing YT won't end you a bike.
Local shops do way more than sell bikes. By supporting your local shop you're supporting you're community.
  • 7 7
 @tomgibson: ive not been in a bike shop for years. They are completely useless all they will do is tell you that they don't have something but they can order it for you and it will be here in a couple off weeks. No thank you I'll get it off the Internet for half the price and it will be here tomorrow. Yt have the right idea bike shops have had plenty of time to adapt and they haven't managed it. The yt and canyon way of doing it is the future and I can't wait for more companies to follow suit.
  • 7 2
 @thenotoriousmic: not been in a bike shop in years, you say? if that's true, it means that either:
A) you ride regularly and do your own repairs to address regular wear and tear (fork service, brake bleeds, etc.)
B) you ride regularly and don't do your own maintenance, and your bike is in poor shape as a result
C) you don't actually ride your bike all that much

If option A is your reality, it follows that you must own hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars worth of tools: bike stand, truing stand, and hand tools, just for starters. In order to use those tools properly, you must have accumulated significant training and experience, be it from friends, Youtube, whatever. If this describes you, more power to you, but you are an outlier. The majority of riders simply don't bother pressing in their new BBs or trying to bleed their seized Elixirs, either because they don't have the tools and know-how, or because it's not worth their time. The majority of riders, in other words, still go to their "completely useless" LBS.

In the case of options B and C, you're certainly not doing yourself any favors.

All that being said, I do agree that shops need to adapt to the increasing presence of online sales. Where we disagree is the "completely useless" part. Bike shops provide relationships, product support, and bike maintenance services to the communities in which they exist, all of which can't be replaced by an online experience.
  • 4 1
 @makudad: i do my own repairs I do not trust anyone else to do it or at least how I like it to fell once it's done, I think anyone who's been riding from a young age will no how to fix bikes and no I don't have thousands of dollars worth off tools. I made my own wheel jig, I hand my bike from the ceiling with two bungie cords so I don't need a bike stand and I made my own bearing press also.
  • 6 1
 @tomgibson: Actually YT does employ local riders, YT does support local races and events, YT does support local trail networks through non-profits and local partnerships, YT does sponsor and support local riders, when you taco a wheel or damage any other component on your bike YT will be there and will deal directly with any warranty issue. YT does have a 5 year warranty on its frames and even offers a crash replacement frame at cost if your mom runs your bike over. Most Importantly, YT does not make shit up and doesn't throw salt because being salty just isn't that cool
  • 2 0
 @tomgibson: i totally understand what you saying but our local shops dont do any of the things your talking about especially when it comes to MTB i will say paying double for the same exact part and waiting longer IS NOT COOL but that something the shop has to figure out not the customer bike shops would be great if that actually sold parts at reasonable price and supported our MTB comuuity (wich the dont)
  • 3 1
 @Dawsonville: i have yet to see YT or Canyon or Chain Reaction come to any town ive lived or ridden, never sponsored any event ive been part of.
just an FYI: Trek offer a lifetime warranty on their frames
  • 20 1
 $8k for this one and 'only' $4.5k for the aluminum version? Lmfao. Go home Trek, you're drunk.
  • 5 1
 Yeah 4.5k will get you a carbon santacruz.
  • 8 0
 Or a carbon Yeti, or a YT, or plenty of other bikes where you're not stuck with a bunch of proprietary crap like the rear shock.
  • 19 6
 Meh, aggro 29ers are the future. A slash, enduro, wreckoning, riot comparison would be a godsend.
  • 9 14
flag atrokz (Oct 24, 2016 at 9:00) (Below Threshold)
 JUST WAIT TILL 29.25"! You think agro 29ers are the future? No, 29.25 will roll faster, corner slower, be heavier, more prone to flex, and slower to accelerate, perfect for all your riding needs in So-Cal desert trails!! Why settle for 2nd best?
  • 5 1
 @atrokz: so-cal desert trails! for real! thats how bikes are manufactured, around basic consumers trying to 'adventure' and spend that money. we live in a society of waste and converted roadies who 'rip' 29" wheels
  • 4 0
 @EvoRidge: those who know, know. haha. Its interesting to hear each opinion on whats the best, but it usually varies from location to location, with some being better suited to others.
  • 1 0
 You are not wrong!
  • 10 0
 I've owned two Treks in the past. They were awesome and I still believe that it's a great brand. But with all this marketing taking place and with all these technologies emerging so rapidly, meaning that the bikes have reached outrageous prices, I try to keep things simple and that is to get an aluminum full suss trail bike e.g. a Commencal. Currently I am thrashing an NS CrMo with a 140mm fork up front and I couldn't be any happier.
  • 3 0
 Rode the NS Eccentric for quite sometime with 140 up front. Really miss that bike.
  • 3 0
 @slayersxc17: This! That's the one I am referring to! Hell of a bike!
  • 32 23
 Mike - Please stop repeating stupid things Trek says about the "features"of their designs. Frame isn't really stiffer thanks to the straight tube. Yes they did say that the latest Slash is stiffer than their Session. No sht, a DH frame that weighs 2.3kg without shock. Vernon is also guilty of repeating stuff about boost allowing for shorter stays and more tyre clearance which is not true at all. Knock block is awesome, but stiffness argument on carbon frame is a farse. Then on aluminium frame it is a problem. Bent tune distributes stress around the weld better. Trek does cool things but they talk out of their butt...
  • 12 1
 goddamit Waki, stop sitting on the fence and say what you mean Wink
  • 27 12
 @sewer-rat: i mean trek makes great bikes but they talk bollocks when selling them. They are like a Wallstreet broker on crack talking about healing the economy. We do this and that on a fixed rate tax and eh eh then we buy bonds and then put them into hedge funds eha ah and then we borrow money at a high variable in subprime loan ah ah oh and finally we sell the risk insurance and and and... and eh ah eh, great things happen, eh eh people get jobs and poverty eh ah eeeeeh.

We make straight down tube, add a plate under it eh ah Then we oh oh aaah we put a keyed stem and spacers eh and and frame is stiffer an eh eh oh you ride with confidence eeh eh, it's like a session maaaaan - SSSLAP!!! shut up! You make a knock block so that levers and shifter don't hit the top tube in case of a bail. It's great, that's it, end of fkng story!

And then they have a fkng nerve to say that this silly little air shock has something to do with F1 tech...
  • 9 2
 @WAKIdesigns:
Dear Mr Waki Design,

Thank you for your feedback, which is well noted with thanks. We will take it into consideration and revert to you in due course. Thank you for supporting Trek Bikes.

Yours Sincerely,
Mr T. Rek
  • 2 1
 @MTB-Colada: Colors and graphics are good and match with your troylee stuff, you buy and we talk about tech. Annoying stuff, you can switch off your iphone 7
  • 19 4
 WAKI, how did you validate, that it is not stiffer? The Boost story is something else.
So I own a 2016 Slash 9.8 (Carbon) 18,5" and rode a 2017 Remedy 9.9 RSL 19,5" And yes you can feel how stiff it is when you climb out of the saddle e.g. It is way stiffer than the Slash 2016. That is no marketing tale, it is real.
For the average joe it might not be THE NEXT BIG THING. But everyone has to find his own important specs.
Stiffness paired with a low weight is a engineering goal that is not an easy task, especially in the carbon world.
  • 6 0
 @WAKIdesigns the reviewer didn't just repeat what their marketing says - he said he had no problem with the stiffness of the prior frame; not quite calling it farcical but along the same lines as your thinking.
  • 7 0
 Is Penske F1 or Indy car? If its only Indy, I'd not buy the shock because I only want F1 tech on my bikes :-)
  • 10 0
 @WAKIdesigns: in relation to talking out of their butt and not simply stating their point and ending their f*cking story, I refer you to your own posts as other good examples.
  • 2 3
 @tom5: I am afraid your seat of the pants stiffness test is not going to convince anyone. Mike already said he could not feel the difference.
  • 1 0
 @headshot: penske was in f1 in the '70...i think now it's mainly focussed on endurance GT
  • 6 9
 @MTB-Colada: I am friends with Trek Factory Store Gothenburg, awesome people, awesome ambassadors to Trek, great ambassadors to local MTB in general, undoubtedly one of the best mechanics in Sweden, awesome bikes, stunning bikes, great riding bikes mhwaaaa! What a great bunch of athletes in your rooster, right now and in history (including Lance fraking Armstrong, whatever whoever says, a fricking legend!) - mhwaaa! What a lineage of success. Technologies are awesome too, Mino link - awesome, OCLV - awesome, Knock Block awesome, G2 - awesome, 29+ awesome, Boost - dunno whatever, makes the rear wheel stiffer, 29" alu rims do eventually get tacoed easily... just why that confusing written stuff as if it wasn't enough. It's like Specialized's theory on low center of mass of a bike... the spec bikes get low standover, it's great, we get it. It's like this 2008-2010 fight for the coolest sounding suspension system acronym Big Grin
  • 3 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Just puling your leg buddy. I am with you. It is like they always want to create a scientific explanation on why they do stuff. A lot of biking evolution is trial and error in my view. Some ideas (whether super high tech or scientifically argumented or not) stick with riders, others don't.
  • 1 0
 @headshot: so you did a quick world wide survey? sweet!
  • 10 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Preach WAKI!

Trek are the Apple of the bike world. 'innovating' for no other reason than to try and sell more bikes. And by innovating I mean making products with built in obsolescence that are no better that the ones before.
  • 8 7
 @MTB-Colada: Trek is pushing the limit of light weight into "we're cover you with warranty, but it looks so damn good on the scale", so no wonder they may think they have issues with stiffness. Then to make more trouble a bent downtube and a bent downtube are not always made equal. @tom5 Remedy 29 2015 and Santa Cruz Hightower have both bent downtubes... look at both bikes next to each other. NO SHT! that some of the older Treks had downtubes comparatively flexier than most stuff out there. But feeling flex when climbing out of the saddle? eeerm ok, that's a sea monster story. I could not be bothered about frame flex when I climb 1.4kg aluminium coke can of a frame on barely rideable pitch with boulders and roots, and you speak of flex climbing a carbon Slash? A bike with 160mm of travel and dude speaks about flex... give me a break...
  • 4 1
 @tom5: Sorry, no, you are right. Your survey of 1 trumps the reviewers opinion. He only rode the bike for an entire season after all.
  • 3 1
 Just to make sure that everyone understood it here: Let it be measured, it is stiffer and the most important fact it is noticeable stiffer than the old slash. I have ridden both. But whatever. I don't want to convince people, its just an information with my short 16 year gravity riding experience. If you don't care about stiffness, get a steel enduro they can flex jihaw
  • 5 2
 @tom5: I had a Blur Trc with 135 QR barely weighing 2kg and it was stiff as fk. I simply cannot say that 2.8kg Antidote Carbon Jack is any stiffer. You know what's flexy? Orange 5, that's flexy, that's my point of reference for flex. I have no clue what your point of reference is because I rode the 2014 carbon Remedy and it was quite stiff. That is the main issue with carbon. It is damn hard to make it compliant, because by nature carbon frames are fkng stiff, even those under 1kg.
  • 1 0
 Does anybody know what the difference is between this Re:activ stuff and what Progressive did with their 5th element shock a decade ago, short of one using a coil spring and one using an air spring to restrict the damping circuit?
  • 3 2
 "Trek does cool things but they talk out of their butt.."

That's ironic....
  • 3 0
 @headshot & @cauboi: Team Penske was an F1 team in the '70s, but Penske Racing Shocks (PRS) is it's own thing and they do supply shocks to F1 teams. The RE:aktiv damper technology comes from PRS.
  • 8 2
 @jlindy86: that's funny because I don't know why a professional company with F1, Indy pedigree would get involved in a design where the first minute of briefing with Trek looks like that:
- We want you to improve these shocks.
- Yes we can surely do that. What is the most important factor in a shock for a mountain bike?
- it has to weigh under 350g and the shaft has be either gold or black.
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I think weight saving is a pretty important part of F1, no?
  • 5 2
 @headshot: that's a funny generalization. Would you make F1 engine smaller in order to make it lighter? Would you compromise power for weight? Does an F1 car run air shocks or skinny tyres? No. Why aren't MX or GP bikes running primitive air shocks without piggy back to save weight? Recall issue aside why do people go waaaah on Float X2 or Öhlins TTX? My carbon bike weighs 14,5kg and I ride "XC" on it, Why? because I do not sacrifice performance and functionality to get a cool number on the scale. But mountain bikers are the bunch that doesn't like Öhlins TTX because it has a yellow spring. When Jared Graves says he runs double ply tyres on Enduro race, it sounds like NASA discovered aliens on the moon. When Justin Leov runs a coil shock people go: b b b but so not Enduro why? We want air shocks even on DH bikes! We want tonsave 2lbs of weight even when a fricking lift takes our arse up...
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Not quite that simple: www.pinkbike.com/news/trek-fox-penske-reaktiv-suspension-press-release.html But hey, now you can get them in both black and gold shafts!
  • 2 4
 @jlindy86: Ummm not convinced by a tiniest margin by the value of that cooperation. If they make a RE:aktiv Float X2 I may listen... also F1... that's such a purchase bait. According to EXT, an F1 team barely uses a shock per wheel per season, while Rally shocks are binned after every race. F1 teams are as occupied by wishbone stiffness as with shock settings. So no, please no F1 references. If I was to buy a Trek Slash, I'd toss in X2 or CCDB Coil CS into it right away. Each single bike I will own in the future will have a real shock in it. I'd rather ride an old Orange Five with Öhlins TTX than the most sophisticated frame with 300g pressurized telescopic coke can.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: F1 and MTB have another thing in common - tyre pressure used to regulate grip and provide a bit of suspension...
  • 1 1
 Another thing F1 has in common with MTB is that unlike AT&T walker, both vehicles use wheels to move themselves forward. MTB racers just like F1 racers drink water during the race, have two arms, two legs and an ashole,
  • 12 1
 Where's the slash 29 review????
  • 20 0
 In the works - the Remedy was available months before the Slash was.
  • 67 5
 I gotchu bro:

Takes some effort to get it up the hills, 29 inch wheels help with the rollover and provide momentum for technical climbs. We prefer the lever in the middle position. Impressed with its climbing ability even though its got a very slack headangle. Tons of traction.

Descending: this is a dh beast that eats nails for breakfast with no milk. Gobs of traction yet still stays nimble in the tight stuff. Choose the rough line with this bike and it will take it in stride. The best enduro race bike in its class.

*bike of the year
*people whine because won't accept 29 is faster

Of course this is all just a wild guess Rolleyes
  • 9 1
 @ibishreddin: ha ha - I think you'll be spot on.

Reviews on the main sites are just infomercials these days.

Even bikemags bible of bike whatever doesn't actually 'compare' the bikes....
  • 3 0
 Free stuff does come at a price..
  • 5 0
 @RedBurn: The Slash seems like such an awesome bike, pity they have taken the 27.5 version out though...
  • 3 0
 So the remedy is basically a 27.5 slash and vice versa..?
  • 11 0
 How do I do Barspins on it?
  • 1 2
 The C5 Team won't be running these in any new vidoes - thats a big marketing fail, no?
  • 5 0
 @headshot: Did you even watch Not2Bad?
  • 1 0
 @markjaggard: You are correct, they did ride them, but I didn't see any bar spins like Rheeder did in Unreal, on them either...
  • 7 1
 Eliminating barspins sounds like a win to me.
  • 2 0
 See Cam McCaul on the 29'r plus
  • 10 0
 sorry trek you lost me at press fit bb
  • 8 3
 Bike looks great: that being said, I can't trust trek. They re-design their entire fleet what seems like every year. If I had spent 8000 on last years bike, I'd be pissed. Or the year before, or the year before etc. Until they can find a proven frame / geometry that they want to stick with, I'm riding my Nomad. My 2015 is still a great bike. Nobody wants a bike that they feel like is obsolete 10 months later, which is what trek continues to do. I don't see it as evolving...I see them as lost.
  • 1 0
 The apple way
  • 10 1
 only $8k.....im out....
  • 4 0
 @mikekazimer "I'm also at least a year's worth of binging at an all-you-can-eat buffet away from being able to get near the Clydesdale category"?

Or maybe, just maybe - 5 years of protein shakes and hard work in the gym away from the 200lb mark - doesn't seem to be hurting Rude...

Smile
  • 5 1
 I was considering replacing my Tallboy LTc and the Remedy would be near the top of my list. However, I agree that improvements have been incremental (or trade-offs) and prices are outrageous! Instead, I am keeping my Santa Cruz and buying a Beta X-Trainer (a 300 cc dirt bike that is light and nimble and "rides like a mountain bike"). It has cutting-edge Italian technology and, especially, engineering, and the price is LESS than the Remedy reviewed here!!!!
  • 7 2
 28 lbs is kinda heavy for a $8000 bike. My transition patrol alum weighs 29.05 no carbon parts except for the xtr derailleur cage.
  • 1 0
 Building my Patrol today! what's your setup?
  • 3 0
 @Elspecialized: fox 36, rs monarch plus, hope pro 4s hubs, dt ex471 rims, hope v4 brakes, hope cranks, xtr, chromag cockpit, fox transfer dropper. Im saving to get a float x2 for the rear.
  • 1 0
 @charlieh5816: I had the Alloy Patrol last year with very similar build. Love that bike. Had to sell it, but thinking of building up another.
  • 2 0
 @charlieh5816: 29lbs?!!! Holy cow, I'm.on an xl patrol with v similar build but push 11/6 and it's 33lb. Being big sucks sometimes. If I build a light bike it quickly becomes a broken bike!
  • 4 0
 @Ziph: So true, if I had a dollar for everytime someone on here quoted a super low weight bike that's still alloy and then of course it's a small, i'd be a millionaire.
  • 2 0
 @Pennyrisk: mine is a large
  • 1 0
 @Ziph: I completly agree with breaking light bikes thats why I didn't go carbon. I would rather have a heaver stronger bike rather than a light weight bike. I never planed to build it light it just kinda happened that way.
  • 1 0
 @charlieh5816: I've been looking at ways to reduce the overall weight but I'm down to the fact that the wheels are the only place I can save the weight to notice tlany significant distance.patrol is s great bike except the flats where it needs a bit of zip to help get it going.
  • 1 0
 Aggressive 2.4" tires front and back. Where I live I'd be fine with a less aggressive 2.3 front, 2.2 rears and save a pound and a half.
  • 2 0
 So here's a question. I work at a shop that sells trek and am currently in the market for a new bike as my 12 year old Stump jumper fsr is in really rough shape. I live in nebraska however so we have majority xc trails with a few slightly more technical areas. That being said, I'm with in easy driving distance of Colorado and a few other bigger areas. I've been kicking around the idea of picking up a remedy or a trance from giant and just shortening the suspension for riding around here and then opening it back up when I'm headed out to Colorado, Utah, or other places that actually warrant a long legged bike. What would I be able to expect from shortening a bike by 20 mm front and back as far as handling and overall ride quality goes?
  • 1 0
 I should add that I've looked at the fuel already and I'm not all that jazzed about 29 or 27.5+ being my wheel options there.
  • 1 3
 Just get a 2017 fuel ex9. throw a 150mmm front fork on it and call it a day.

This gives you the ability to run 27.5+ or 29" wheels and can take on any terrain you want. I too work at a trek shop and my new North Shore rig is the new Fuel ex9 with the longer travel set up. When the wet shitty muddy season rolls in 27.5 come out to play and for everything else back to 29.
  • 3 0
 @2bigwheels: reading is hard, huh?
  • 4 2
 No X-UPs, no fun ! The stated reason for no crown clearance is poor confirmation of their design... gaining few % (or not even single % ) of frame headtube stiffness is nothing compared to natural flex of 160+ singlecrown fork.
  • 7 5
 If I'm not wrong, Trek said the new 142X12 is better than sex. And Slash was worst POS proprietary shock POS I ever owned! P.S. I'm still running 142X12 and Trek can still suck it.
  • 4 0
 Mike Kazimer, Would you recommend any upgrades to this bike? Say perhaps a CC DBA or even an CC Inline?
  • 1 1
 no company makes a rear shock with the eye to eye
  • 7 3
 Still building bikes with custom shock dimension even in the new metric era, what a shame.
  • 4 0
 230x57.5 is a normal metric offering. RS will be selling aftermarket shocks in that size.

The original metric press release didn't mention (don't ask me why) that stroke options go down in 2.5mm increments.

230 eye to eye can have 65, 62.5, 60, 57.5 stroke options.
  • 3 0
 @dcamp2: you just made me realize that the current trend I see of long shocking a bike will get much bigger once (if) everything goes metric. People already think that they can get away with an extra 7mm stroke length lol. I can see the forums now "My xyz trail bike is amazing with 2.5mm extra shock stroke!!!"
  • 1 0
 @Downhill29erplease: Yeah- I think going metric might actually make hot-rodding your bike easier in that regard.

Do so at your own risk obviously.
  • 2 1
 Not getting the hype about the reaktiv shock or the climbing performance. I rode one back to back with an Enduro and a Nomad and honestly had to flick the climb switch more on the remedy despite it being a shorter travel bike.
  • 2 1
 The Reaktiv Shock isn't about not needing a climb switch, it's designed so that it's more practical to have the climb switch on because even in the two former compression modes, the valve blows off and let's the shock work when you hit something. I had a remedy last season and almost always had it in the middle setting. Good climbing platform and still opened up whenever I hit something.
  • 2 0
 I don't understand lines like this "Trail riders are demanding increasingly capable bikes" Really? They are holding a protest outside the Wisconsin home office chanting "Give us more capable bikes?"
  • 10 0
 There's no protest, but I'd say that most riders want their next bike, even if it's a trail bike, to be able to handle rough, technical trails. That hasn't always been the case - bikes haven't always been as versatile as they are today. Remember when trail bikes came without dropper posts and with spindly 32mm stanchioned forks?
  • 5 1
 I'm having soooo much fun on this bike, no matter if it's Coast Gravity Park, Whistler Bikepark or tech Alpine trails
  • 3 2
 heres my problem with theese bikes... every other company offer a ver ysimular build or better (componates wise) to this for A LOT cheeper than trek. also every other bike youve ever wanted can be at your door step (or local shop) in a week or two at most while theese things wont be avaible till next febuary at the soonest! for the largest bike maifacture in the world they sure do have a hard time making bikes i do have to say i have ridden a 7, 8 , 9, and 9.8 remedys and they all felt GREAT i do belive they are an amazing frame desgin (aside from piles of bullshit marketing) they felt very familuar as soon as your swung your leg over. i cant get over how fun and playful the rear end of this bike felt while still having a bottomless feel (im comming off a 2014 intense m9) to the travel. so i will say this great bike but WAY over priced and that stupid metric shock size means you wont see any aftermark support for a while if not ever so wait a few months for a GREAT feeling bike that everyone can jump on a it will feel like home in 5-10 mins of riding or spend a few grand less for a small name one in close to the same spec
  • 7 1
 to your first point, price:
Giant, Trek and Santa Cruz all have the same bike for $8000 while Transition has it for $9000. So pretty on par with other brands.

Availability: are you sure these aren't available now? better check that again.

manufacturing: the are most certainly NOT the largest manufacturer in the world. better check that again....

You mention the price again; look back to point

rock shox already has support for the metric shocks, i called them last week.
  • 2 2
 @biker245: i didnt mean other big name guys and largest as in best selling yes they are and yes i am a trek dealer and unless your ride a XS your outa luck till early 2017 yes every company makes stuff for metric stuff but no in the size the remedy comes in i ment you can spend 3k on a yt capra and get the top of the line rockshox stuff or a 4500 remedy and only get rc stuff for 3 grand you geta yari rc and thoose shitty deore brakes while you get sram guid and rct3 on the yt thats my issue still a GREAT bike just an insane price for somthing specd like they are (not including the 9.9)
  • 4 3
 @freeridejerk888: Trek dealer trashing the product you sell. Smart.
  • 3 0
 @FisherFreerider: where did i trash the product? all i said was it was too expensive for the parts specd on it i also am givnig it VERY high priase as one of the BEST trail bike bikes avalible theres a big difference bwteeen not being happy with price and production time then it being a bad product (which in cnase it blew over your head it IS GREAT)
  • 1 0
 Why does Trek put a crappy Evoke saddle on an $8k Remedy? I have a Remedy 9.8 that had an Evoke, its an awful saddle that I'll be lucky to get 10 bucks for, I bought a used Montrose Pro and was surprised at how much better it made the bike pedal up long climbs. For that much money people shouldnt have to buy a new saddle, at least put a titanium railed Montrose on instead of a crapass Evoke.
  • 6 5
 Am I the only who feels Waki is just an angry mid 30s guy who never got this dream job with a bike company and instead of just moving on he decided to stay within the community and just be bitter and and angry about everything?

Always talking about how he knows so many industry people and shop guys so he's just got endless knowledge about everything ... but really... what he knows is the same shit we do, just he just rants about it in a way to make it sound different? anytime he has to support his comment he likes to start with "I know a couple guys"

Sometimes it's fun to watch him just go on and on and on... No one gives two shits but yet goes on and on and on.

haha love it.
  • 2 1
 Haha loving all the keyboard warriors on here who probably all ride *upgraded* Kona Stinkys... Iv recently purchased the 2017 Remedy 9 RSL and hands down it is the best bike I have owned (and i have owned a lot). Yes it may have less travel than the equivalent enduro/trail bikes on the market but with the full floater 150mm feels bottomless... The bikes so poppy and playful its ridiculous... There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Bontrager brand. In fact the Bontrager Team Issue tires it comes stock with are f**king awesome. I had the option of plenty of enduro/trail bikes and safe to say im stoked with the Remedy.
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 Can't wait to see Cam do some barspins xups and tail whips on the new slash. Oh he can't cause the bars won't go past 75degrees. Sounds like my 09 Apollo Gauntlet. Oversized bottom tube hits the fork crown. At least these Treks aren't meant to jump with.
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 Proprietary stem? No thanks.
  • 4 0
 You didn't read the article.
  • 2 0
 @kittenjuice: indeed I missed that part. Thanks!
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 This bike looks too slick for its intended use, matching stickers everywhere, eagle, boost. no thanks. I swear Trek has gotten too big for their own good.
  • 1 0
 And whats with everyone on the internet over analyzing the sh*t outta bikes like you can actually ride em...For most of you it probably wouldn't matter if you were on a $10000 Santa Cruz or a tricycle made of plastic...
  • 1 0
 Always the same story on PB.
"waaah I can't afford one of those so i'm going to say it's shit and too expensive"

Don't buy one if you can't afford one. It's obviously a great bike and Trek will sell plenty.
  • 1 1
 I snatched up one of the first Remedy 9.8's and it shipped with a 150mm Reverb (Trek must not have gotten the drop line in yet). I'm 5'11 with a 32" inseam and the 150mm dropper on my 19.5" remedy is bottomed out In the frame and just the right height. I was really nervous the first time hopping on it that it would be too high. If I were any smaller in the leg department I wouldn't be able to ride a dropper that big. I think it was a good idea for them to spec it with a 125 dropper.
  • 3 0
 "Consider all your knocks blocked from this point forward."
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 just looking at it makes me fall asleep
  • 1 0
 Seriously...
  • 2 0
 @Elspecialized: Just a boring looking bike. I think as well as a capable bike that is fun to ride, it needs to look sick so you get stoked to go ride it.
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 @Jack-McLovin: thats asking a lot for only $8k....(sarcasm)
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 @Jack-McLovin: dude your right!! I had the remedy 29 last year and loved the hell out of the bike, got the real this year and just don't see myself riding it as much. Its needs a little more badass appearance
  • 1 0
 @treekilla: Sarcasm or...? lol
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 I have a remedy 29 and love it but its pretty boring to look at
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 @Jack-McLovin: when I first saw them remedy this year I thought it was generic looking, and still kind of is just sitting in my living room. The straight tubes looks kinda lame compared to last year's frame, but i still continued to get it because it was a slash comparison. It surely rides hard and is versatile and rips bike parks though
  • 3 0
 People still use adjustable travel on their fork???
  • 3 1
 with lots of Enduro bikes going to 180 and 170mm of travel front a rear can we say that a 150mm bike is allmountain?
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 I thought 150 was always allmountain
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 Your master, Qui-Gon Jinn. I gutted him while you stood helpless and watched. How did that make you feel, Obi-Wan? Your rage has unbalanced you. That is not the Jedi way, is it?
  • 3 0
 how do u test a bike wit no pedals..??
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 Magnets.
  • 3 0
 PF92. Scratch this off the list.
  • 2 0
 Dave Camp is faster than you.
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 An $8k Trek is like an $80k Chevy.
There is simply no way.
Noooooooo way.
  • 1 0
 There are a few nasty corvettes out there that would love to take your $80k and be a super-car bargain...

Not that they can have my $80k
  • 2 0
 i wonder how it compares to the Devinci Troy....
  • 1 0
 Remedy, Slayer or Patrol... or Ticket S?
  • 2 0
 I'm currently riding a Remedy 2015, but right now I'm planning on building up a Patrol over the winter.
  • 2 0
 Meh' is right.
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 Void your warranty doing barspins on this bike
  • 1 0
 great bike for the lambo drivers
  • 1 4
 @mikekazimer Would you recommend any upgrades to this bike? Say, perhaps a CC DBA or even an CC Inline?
  • 2 5
 Bontrager Se4 Etrto? I dont see ''plenty'' of mud clearance at rear..
  • 3 1
 This photo shows the clearance a little bit better: www.pinkbike.com/photo/13937855. That's a 2.4" tire - in my book, that amount of room qualifies as 'plenty.'
  • 2 1
 @mikekazimer: depends. if se4 is a 56 or 57 etrto , with an ardent or Magic Mary (61 or 62) maybe could be tight space...
  • 1 4
 Hmm, looks like a Session.
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