Review: Trek Session 9.9 29

Oct 8, 2018
by Paul Aston  



Trek's Session has more heritage than any other downhill bike that is still on the circuit, bringing home multiple World Cup DH victories and podium appearances over the years—most recently with Rachel Atherton and Kade Edwards at World Championships in Lenzerheide. The Session 9.9 is the latest iteration of this race-bred machine, with 29" wheels and a lightweight, full OCLV carbon frame that uses Trek's familiar-looking four bar suspension design.

Initially, the 29" version was only available in a frame and fork kit including the Float X2 and Fox 49 fork for $4,499 USD, but Trek recently announced a complete version for 2019 which will have a similar spec to the bike featured here for $8,399 USD.


Session 9.9 29" Details

Intended use: downhill
Travel: 190mm rear / 190mm front
Wheel size: 29"
Frame construction: OCLV Mountain Carbon frame with magnesium Evo rocker link
Fork: Fox 49
Shock: DHX2
Sizes: S, M, L, XL (tested)
Weight: 15.36kg / 33.14lbs (XL, tubeless, w/o pedals, actual)
Price: $4499 USD (frame and fork)
trekbikes.com


bigquotesThe Session 29 is an ultra-light, ultra-stiff machine that's unforgiving at times and best suited to strong or heavy pilots who are precise and highly skilled. Paul Aston




Contents




Construction and Features

Trek Session 9.9 Review - headtube
The head tube is tapered and uses a zero-stack headset.

Trek Session 9.9 Review - downtube protection
Downtube protection is a must for carbon downhill bikes.
Trek Session 9.9 Review - chainstay protection
Chainstay rubber for protection and sound damping. I still found it a bit noisy.

The Session 9.9's lightweight OCLV carbon frame (claimed 13.6 lb frame and fork) has exceptional finish, with simple, clean lines. It uses a tapered head tube that leads into a huge downtube which arrives at a BB83 threaded bottom bracket. Trek's ABP 'Active Braking Pivot' rotates around the rear axle and uses Trek's own bolt-thru axle to secure the wheel, but also protrudes a ways out from the frame.

As with all carbon downhill bikes, especially one this light, downtube protection is a must, along with chainslap guards and fork bump stops, and the Session 9.9 has all of these zones covered.

Cable routing is internal through the front triangle and is clamped at the exit port on top of the lower portion of the downtube. From here the brake hose stays on the outside all the way to the caliper, where the gear cable housing runs through the chainstay, which protects it from chainslap. Riders who frequently ride in muddy conditions will be glad to see that the carbon frame is almost entirely free of places for dirt or water to collect, which makes it fast and simple to clean and wipe down.


Trek Session 9.9 Review - raw carbon finish
The Session 29" comes in a gorgeous raw carbon finish.

Trek Session 9.9 Review - internal routing port and bump stops
Fork bump stops double as internal routing ports for brake and shifter housing.
Trek Session 9.9 Review - Mino Link
The Mino Link can be flipped to adjust the geometry.

Trek Session 9.9 Review - carbon details and internal routing port
OCLV is Trek's acronym for 'Optimum Compaction Low Void' carbon.



Geometry & Sizing

Trek Session 9.9 Review - Geometry
Trek Session 9.9 Review - Geometry
Trek Session 9.9 Review - Geometry

Trek offers the Session in four sizes from S-XL in the 29" chassis, with reach numbers spanning 396mm to 461mm. This makes the small-sized frame one of the smallest out there, great for riders who need a small bike, although there might not be much clearance between backsides and that big rear wheel in the steeps. It's on the short side compared to some other new DH bikes out there like the GT Fury (size L is 470mm) and Commencal Supreme DH 29 (XL is 495mm), but similar to the Aurum HSP (L/LX is 461mm) and the current Specialized Demo 8 (XL is 460mm).

With the Mino-Link in the Low position the bottom bracket drop is low at -23mm, and the head angle is raked out at 62.1º on paper, and with the front end set at the height I liked, it was under 61º with my angle reader. Flipping the Mino-Link will raise the BB by 10mm, and steepen the head angle by 0.5º, which Trek say has no effect of the suspension setup. The chainstay is fairly long at 453mm, and the headtube length is the same across all sizes at 115mm.


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Suspension Design

Trek have well and truly applied the 'looks like a Session' concept to the four-bar link Session 9.9. The main pivot is slightly below the top of the 36t chainring, and slightly behind the bottom bracket. The ABP layout rotates around the rear axle and connects the chain and seatstays. The seat stays drive a huge one piece, magnesium, 'EVO Link' rocker that engages the shock. The upper shock mount is now a trunnion mounted metric shock, and bearings are used in the rocker link here, which should remove any problems with friction caused from upper shock bushing rotation often found on this type of design.

Trek would only provide a graph of the leverage ratio which they describe as "smoothly progressive leverage rate" which means the progression increases, but in a near-straight line. They stated that they don't take those graphs as gospel and explained why in the following way:


From Trek:

Anti-rise is something we look at, but really we tune that through the ABP “rotation factor.” In short, we’re looking to minimize the amount of the rotation the tire contact patch would have with the ground as the suspension is cycled from full extension to full compression. This can be graphed as Anti-Rise, but the amount of force that can actually be created due to friction between a tire and varying trail surfaces and conditions actually becomes quite small. So we simply look at minimizing that rotation to create the active feel under braking our bikes are known for.

Pedal kick-back is also not something we really look at anymore. That was something we looked at in the early days of MTB full suspension as a way to compare axle paths and judge how much one bike would pedal compared to another. In those early days, pivot placement was all over the place, and really what we were feeling with “high kickback” bikes were generally bikes with really high pivot placements. These high pivot placement bikes had such Anti-Squat numbers that the bike would rise up / extend the suspension with each pedal stroke, then sag back down as our human power delivery systems (ie, legs) varied between high and low output cycles. If you compare all the really good performing bikes today in terms of axle path, chainstay length growth, and anti-squat numbers, they’re all going to be really close. Whether a single pivot or multi-link system, they’re going to move and behave very similarly.

Anti-Squat is also not something we look at in terms of providing XX% of Anti Squat. This simply isn’t something you can really design for on a mountain bike. Yes, it can be calculated for a given bike size with a presumed center of gravity. But on a bicycle, this center of gravity moves around all over the place. It’s different for seated pedaling vs standing pedaling vs pedaling up-hill vs on the flats. A-Mar and I are about the same height, but have way different seat post heights. Chris J and I weigh about the same, but because he always skips leg day, our mass is in different spots. What we do is simply look at anti-squat as a scalar number and compare one bike to another. We then move around the main pivot to create more or less anti-squat or a steeper or shallower AS curve based on how we want to change a bikes performance from one year to the next or one usage case (XC Race vs Enduro for example).

Leverage Ratio Graphs. Ah yes! This is really where the magic happens that can be quantified and is the most important factor in determining a bikes performance. Again, comparisons to previous bikes and what sort of changes are wanted are important and need to be compared. But this also has to be viewed in context of how the shock is tuned in both damper and spring qualities. These are tied together and are the first things we work on when working on new bikes. They can get a bit messy… as can be seen on this one!


Trek Session leverage ratio



Build


Trek Session 9.9 Review - Saint and MRP
Saint cranks and a full MRP chainguide should let you charge into the rough carefree.

Trek Session 9.9 Review - Bontrager LinePro direct mount stem and 35mm diameter handlebar
Bontrager LinePro direct mount stem and 35mm diameter handlebar
Trek Session 9.9 Review - ABP Active Braking Pivot and Saint caliper
Saint brakes with IceTec pads and 203mm rotors are still some of the most powerful and reliable on the market.

Trek Session 9.9 Review - Minion DHF
Minion DHF, an oldie, but still a goodie.


At the time of ordering, Trek only had a frame with Fox shock and fork option, but they provided a complete build to test which was covered with Saint drivetrain, Bontrager components, and DT Swiss wheels wrapped in Maxxis rubber. Recently, they announced the 2019 complete bike which has a similar build with Bontrager wheels and drops in at $8,399 USD.









Test Bike Setup

Having multiple other Fox-equipped downhill bikes on test, getting the Session 9.9 set up was easy. The custom-tuned X2 shock came pre-filled to the brim with six orange volume reducers, and the 49 came with the standard four. After some fine-tuning, I settled on ~8% less pressure in the shock than Trek's setup guide recommended at 165psi, giving me 30% sag (standing). 70psi in the fork gave around 18% sag in the fork. I ended up running the compression at almost fully open front and rear with the rebound on the fast side.

The front end was set the same height as the rest of the fleet, and the handlebars measured 1098mm from the floor. Tire pressures were 22/24psi and the bike was ready to shred. Testing took place on a variety of tracks, from Whistler, Finale Ligure, Pila, and Les Gets, to some of Piemonte's best kept secret bike parks.

Paul Aston
Paul Aston
Location: Finale Ligure, Italy
Age: 32
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 75kg
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @astonator



Riding

The bike is well proportioned, and the XL size was a comfortable fit on steeper, tighter tracks, although it felt slightly short for me in some places. The 461mm reach isn't huge, but being a 29er it still sizes up more spaciously than smaller wheeled downhill bikes due to the higher stack height. The 453mm long chainstay had a good balance with the 461mm reach, and as long as the trail had a decent pitch to it I felt centered and stable in the middle of the bike.

When doing back to back runs with the other 29er DH bikes I've been testing on the same trail, the Session felt less planted at higher speeds, especially on straight lines when you just want to let go of the brakes, hold on, and charge through. In these sections it was also harder to keep my feet in place on flat pedals. The reach may have been a factor here, but I believe that being the lightest 29" downhill bike I have tested this year also contributed to feeling less planted.

As with any bike that has a good balance front and rear, and equally adjusted suspension, the Trek got airborne easily with no surprises. Coming in to really heavy landings the bike took the big hits without question. If you went too far though, the Session 9.9 did have a fairly harsh bottom out—the bike now comes with the 2019 version of the Float X2 shock, which has a much bigger bottom out bumper and should help avoid that.




The combination of the bike's light weight, suspension design, and massive stiffness makes the Session pedal and accelerate very well. It also rails fast, smooth berms exceptionally well, and it's easy to see why some riders have had success on the World Cup circuit with this bike under them.

That said, heading into the rough stuff I found the Session noticeably, well, harsh. Tracking across off-camber sections and carving flat corners didn't inspire confidence - the rear wheel had a tendency to lose traction when the bike was leaned over. Despite the 'Active Braking Pivot' design keeping the rear triangle active under braking, I found the braking traction lacking, with the bike skittering into rough corners when I was most looking for grip.

The harshness I experienced may have been affected by settling on slightly less pressure than recommended by Trek, with the theory being that I could have been running deeper in the travel than necessary. That said, for the terrain I tested on I generally prefer a softer setup and the Session was set up similarly to the other bikes I tested. Alternatively, a coil shock could be the ticket here, which could improve the sensitivity and tracking of the back end of the bike.

Similar to what I experienced with the Norco Aurum, there was also some vibration from the fork in the lower setting when riding mellow bike park trails with small stutter bumps. I'd put this down to the slack head angle and the 29" fork being long and riding high in the travel on flat terrain. I generally set the bike to tackle steeper terrain where this issue didn't appear, but flipping the Mino-Link to the high position helped, and if I was riding less steep trails more often I would be lower the front end of the bike through the crowns and raise the stem or handlebar to keep a similar riding position. I tried this in the Whistler Bike Park, where the trails aren't quite as steep, and it did end the vibration issue, but then I was in need of a higher rise bar or direct mount stem spacers to maintain my preferred bar height.

The Session struggled to maintain traction in rough corners.






How does it compare?

The new Cube Stereo Two15 that I've been testing recently has a similar-looking silhouette (but a different Horst-link suspension design) as well as the same wheels, tires, fork, and shock. The Session is stiffer in all directions, and much more efficient under pedaling. The longer frame size, slacker head angle, and longer chainstays of the Session definitely give it a more balanced and stable ride. But, when things get rough and the terrain is trying to throw you around, the Cube tracks better and is easier to handle.
Cube Stereo DH 29 Review - hero image

What about compared to the Session 27.5?

Here's what Mike Kazimer had to say: "I tested the two bikes back to back over 2 days in California with LITPro GPS timing data. The 29er felt calmer and smoother than the 27.5, and the straight line speed of the was impressive. The data showed that the Session 29 was faster than the 27.5” bike – to the tune of nearly 5 seconds on a 2:20 course. On both bikes, my times improved on each lap as I got more familiar with the course, but when I switched back to the 27.5” bike from the 29er my times slowed down again, illustrating that the bigger wheels made a significant difference.

There was also less need to make little micro-corrections to the steering. Looking at the data confirmed this sensation — the 29er allowed me to brake less, which in turn led to faster cornering speeds.

After two solid days of riding, I was firmly convinced that 29" DH bikes have massive potential, and not just for elite riders." (Read Mike's full 27.5 vs 29 story here)



Technical Report


Trek Session 9.9 Review
Trek Session 9.9 Review - XL

Shimano Saint groupset: Not having an update or refresh for six years hasn't held the Saint products back. They are still solid, and the brakes are still some of the most powerful and dependable out there. My only gripe with any of the parts is the slight rattle from the finned IceTec brake pads on small bumps.

190mm travel: 200mm of travel or more is 'standard' for downhill bikes (the 27.5" Session has 210mm), and there seems to be the notion that 29ers don't need to have as much travel as their smaller wheeled counterparts. I'm not convinced - I want to have big wheels and all the travel, especially on a downhill bike which spends the majority of its life heading straight into the rough. It's fairly easy to bump up the travel of the Fox 49 with a change of air spring, but more difficult to get any more from the rear.

Hub spacing: I'm convinced that the maximum width of the back of a downhill bike should be as narrow as possible; after all, they are often threading the needle through rocks, stumps and ruts at high speeds. The Session with its ABP pivot and axle is one of the widest on the market.

Bontrager 35mm LinePro handlebar and grips: I rarely get sore hands from riding, but this combination of a super stiff bar and slim lock-on grips beat me up. A quick change to some alloy Renthal FatBar's and Push On grips helped.

Chainslap: Even with the chainslap guards the chain still made a racket, and the front triangle of the bike seemed to echo sounds. Extra textured rubber tape or Velcro is recommended to dampen the noise.

Trek Session 9.9 Review - Bontrager cockpit
Trek Session 9.9 Review - rear hub spacing




Pros

+ Ultra light and stiff
+ Exceptional, simple finish
+ Balanced, aggressive geometry
+ Quick acceleration and efficient pedaling
Cons

- Possibly too light and stiff
- Top of the line price tag
- Lacking traction in rough stuff
- Reach may limit taller riders



Is this the bike for you?


If you are looking for an exceptionally finished, lightweight bike that has an impeccable racing pedigree, the Session might be for you. It rails bike park corners, feels great in the air, and pedals like mad. But, if you want to challenge the roughest and gnarliest downhill tracks, you'd better be strong, accurate, and on point.



Pinkbike's Take
bigquotesThe Session 9.9 29 is an ultra-light, ultra-stiff machine that's unforgiving at times and best suited to strong or heavy pilots who are precise and highly skilled. Yes, it's a big slack downhill machine with quality damping, grippy tires, and powerful components, and it's clearly capable of winning races at the highest level. But, when taken head to head against some of the other fantastic 29" downhill bikes that have been released this year, I found it to be more challenging to handle through the rough and tumble. Paul Aston








258 Comments

  • + 215
 Looks like a Session!!
  • + 210
 Damnit Carl!
  • + 30
 Looks like a.... aww dammit!
  • + 57
 Looks like a GT, plus I got $9,929 reasons not to buy one.
  • - 34
flag fracasnoxteam (Oct 8, 2018 at 8:35) (Below Threshold)
 It would have been so classy if there was no "looks like a session" comment on this test...
  • + 102
 @fracasnoxteam: Classy??? This is PB.
  • + 85
 I just came here to read the looks like a Session comments.
  • + 7
 @iantmcg: SAME
  • + 40
 Haha I scrolled straight to the comments and another Carl already beat me to it.
  • - 7
flag blackthorne (Oct 8, 2018 at 12:55) (Below Threshold)
 Looks like a mountain bike.
  • + 3
 Who can name every single bike that has been called “loooks like a session” on pinkbike in a single post?
  • + 2
 @Boardlife69: You mean you LACK 9,929 reasons to buy one...
  • + 154
 Pros: ultra light and stiff
Cons: possibly too light and stiff

....... FFS
  • + 84
 Pros - space for a water bottle
Cons - don’t need it
  • - 1
 @rudders20 same as my trail bike with DH tires....
  • + 4
 That makes the Phoenix Carbon a Paris Hilton
  • + 101
 So he runs no compression and fast rebound and complains that the bike feels skitters and unplanted? Everything that was listed as a negative ride quality is explained by that suspension setup.
  • + 67
 Truth- I feel Paul is one of the least qualified reviewers on Pinkbike. Sorry Paul, but it's the truth. He's got a very small window for what he likes and if something is outside of that window...it must be the product and not Paul.
  • + 21
 @Nathan6209: man someone finally said it! Thank you! this review truthfully sucked knobs.
  • + 18
 @Nathan6209: I don't think it's fair to call Paul not qualified as a tester, but some bikes simply don't work well for some riders... I think that's what are seeing here...
  • + 19
 You guys sound like the group of Session owners who complain that the review is not giving the preferred truth about their bike. Cos they shelled out big dough for it. Im in Paul Aston's weight category and prefer slightly higher pressure with wide open damping too. Good morning thats just how it works for lighter riders.
  • + 81
 1. PBers complain that there are never any "bad" bike reviews.
2. Reviewer writes his honest opinion about a bike.
3. PBers complain that reviewer isn't giving said bike a fair shake.
4. Repeat?
  • + 2
 For real! I have been riding over 20 years. I read that and said, WTF GTFO
  • + 21
 @dthomp325: Literally this. Everyone gives them shit for praising every bike that they review and the second anyone has anything bad to say they're not qualified to review the bike, didn't set up the suspension properly etc. etc.
  • + 3
 @BullMooose: BTW I weigh the same as the reviewer and I run 2 clicks of low speed and 1 click of high speed (from full open) on my 2019 Lyrik, and I run between 3-5 clicks of LSC (out of 8 ) on my Kage coil shock depending on conditions. Both are around the middle for rebound. IMO your spring rate or shim stack is probably wrong if you find yourself needing a lot of LSC.
  • + 2
 I’m not wild about any bike reviews on this site to be honest. I feel like there is always a bias of some kind or some odd thing mentioned as a pro and a con.
  • + 1
 ABP is extremely planted and works amazing in the rough. Almost O pedal kickback under compression. And stays active under braking. I played around too much with mine and yes you can for sure make a mess of it.
  • - 1
 Just like other things in life - play with them knobs until desired reaction/performance is attained. Who is this designated tester? Back to first base he goes.
  • + 7
 @poozank I fail to see your point!? Your statement is contradictory in itself.

Sounds to me like the reviewer did everything he could to compensate, ran low compression for maximum sensitivity and fast rebound for quickest recovery time, this type of setting helps the suspension stay up in its 'soft part' of travel and gives maximum traction, as long as you don't go to the extreme with the rebound where its so fast it forces the wheel to drift when you 're leaning over.

There's obviously other factors involved as well, but chances are the overly stiff frame and/or just the general shittiness of low pivot point bikes for dh had a factor in this.
  • + 15
 @Nathan6209: I dunno. I'd take his opinion pretty seriously. He's ridden a lot of bikes, raced at the highest level, writes legible sentences etc etc. I'd say he's the most qualified reviewer on Pinkbike.
  • + 1
 @wooooo: That's funny because I did break mine in half along with my collar bone. It wasn't a 29er though.
  • + 1
 Hence reviews are always a bit out depending on rider and there setup
  • - 1
 @sebazzo: A: I don't own this or any Sessions. B: I don't usually criticize Pinkbike, I think overall they do an awesome job. C: Paul's reviews just have an air of someone who really doesn't understand what they are riding. D. He's the "Bike Hipster" of reviewers and do we really need more hipsters?
  • + 2
 @thejake: Or when you read 5 pages of specs, then 2 paragraphs of actual review...I want to bash the screen.
  • + 9
 @poozank

I didn't run 'no compression' my words were: "I ended up running the compression at almost fully open front and rear with the rebound on the fast side."


Final air pressure was 165psi = 30% sag at the rear shock (standing)

My final damping settings were: LSC -19 / LSR -12 / HSC -18 / HSR -12

Fox Float X2 recommendations for that 170psi air pressure: LSC 15-17 / LSR 15-17 / HSC 14-16 / HSR 11-13

So the HSR that should give control on bigger hits was in range, LSR was 3-5 clicks faster. The faster you ride the faster the rebound should be to keep the wheel returning and connected to the ground – I am not super fast, but faster than average.

Compression was 2-4 clicks lighter on both which is not massive, and something I like on the trails on bike parks I ride that are generally more natural and fewer jumps and berms than you find in say, Whistler, where more compression would give more support in berms and on big landings. I ride all my bikes with less compression, also because I am not super strong, I don't train anymore and spend too much time at a computer reading comments, the lighter compression settings give a less fatiguing ride. Lighter compression will give a smoother ride, not harsher.


The fork's RC2 damper is notorious for heavy damping, and to quote one of Fox's World Cup race tech's 'nobody needs any HSC on this fork, except Richie Rude.' I had 70psi which is slightly more than Fox recommends for my 75kg weight, their site says 73-77kg = 65psi. I ride a lot of steep stuff here so this explains more pressure in the fork and less in the shock to balance the bike. I had -9 Rebound for 70psi which is one click faster than Fox suggest. There is no recommendation for compression, except to start with HSC -15 (-22 total) and LSC -15 (-26 total), I ran this at -20 and -22, like I mentioned above, I prefer less compression and to let the spring provide support.


Even if all my suspension setting are wrong, at least they are all inline across the bikes I have (currently 7x 2019 29" DH bikes in the workshop with a majority using Fox Suspension. Suspension being equal across all bikes quickly shows up the differences between how different frames track, the Trek was the hardest when ridden back to back against the Commencal Supreme, Norco HSP, Banshee Legend, and Cube Stereo. The upside of this is it responds quicker on hard and smooth trails. I rode this bike back to back against others on test and overall grip, comfort, and tracking was less than the others.

I hope that explains everything.
  • + 14
 @Nathan6209:

I don't know what 'well qualified' as a bike reviewer is exactly but I took this one personally and here is my response:

I have rode for over 20 years, raced for at least half of those in DH, XC, Enduro and 4x, as well as riding lots of BMX. I have also been lucky enough to ride all over the world, in at least 15 countries and hundreds of spots.

I have tested over 80x bikes for PB in four years, been to dozens of press camps where we get to meet engineers, designers and racers from all areas of the industry and listen to their knowledge, and currently I have more 2019 29" DH bikes in the workshop than (probably) anybody else in the world, which will be reviewed this year.

I test all of these bikes as much as I physically can, as well as testing with other riders and gathering their feedback. Everyone's thoughts were similar about this bike compared to others.



Surely the point of having a reviewer is to find and point out the different qualities of different bikes? If I was amazing enough to be able to ride any bike on any track, even hardtails down World Cup tracks at race speeds, then I would be able to put all the bikes into the same window and say they are all great? I could even describe downhill race bikes as the perfect street BMX's in that case?
  • + 2
 @paulaston: If anything I think you are one of the most qualified reviewers in the industry. There are not many reviewers out there that come from a racing background that includes EWS and WC downhill races. I think it is really important that a reviewer has a high skill level, as it assures the reader that the feedback they are feeling from the bike is really coming from the bike, and not one of their own shortcomings as a rider. There are many reviewers in the industry who visibly lack some of the fundamental bike handling skills reviewers like yourself and leuan Williams possess. While their reviews shouldn't be discounted as they can also provide really valuable insights to an average consumer, I will always regard reviews conducted by high-level bike handlers as the most trustworthy.
  • + 46
 Does it come with a 3x option like the one depicted in the technical drawing?
  • + 35
 Paul, want more travel? Throw a 27.5 rear wheel on there, flip the Mino-link to high and swap the 70mm stroke shock for a 75mm stroke unit. 203mm of travel and it's still UCI legal.
  • + 4
 209mm travel.
  • + 61
 @panaphonic: 208.99mm of travel would be ideal.
  • + 10
 Actually I effed up. 203mm is correct. Doh'
  • + 2
 Do I spend 10k on a 33lbs 6" bike or go full ggusto with the DH bike.
  • + 31
 So it's a 29er DH bike for park riding? I had been on the fence but being so tall (6'5) the reach and the price difference threw me off the Trek. Glad I went for the Commencal as it is a monster in the rough and has the room I need to finally fit into a bike instead of riding dh bmx, and it was 4k cheaper!
  • + 4
 I am about to press ‘buy’ on the Supreme 29.
Have you ridden it in park? It seems super good for rough DH but I was wondering how it feels on park highways?
Thanks!
  • + 18
 @Alpsasbackyard: I don't know what your base gauge is for flow trails but having ridden it in BC and here in Europe at multiple parks now my input is that is doesn't pedal well, but it does pump okay. But yeah it's most at home blasting through rough, rocky, rooted hell tracks and thats what I bought it for. So if the mtn itself is big enough and steep enough to work the terrain, you're in for a workout, but it moves along just fine. But if you're at a smaller mtn with more mellow trails it's a dog. I also have noticed the wheel base being a problem on some of the smaller mtn flow trails as the burms tend to be for lower speeds and therefor tight and small (not a problem on big trails like whistler and coast, but notice it a lot here in northern Germany at winterberg). It feels like I can only really hit the blackwall of the burm with 1 wheel at a time, with either the back still being on it's way in or the front already being on it's way out, makes it much harder to pump them right, also sapping more speed. But then maybe you're a better rider in that regard and can rip out on a manual everytime haha.
  • + 6
 @CONomad: Shit that was better than the entire review above.
  • + 1
 @bishopsmike: haha thanks man
  • + 32
 No Banana mount!! Completely useless without that
  • + 26
 classic trek price tag with minimal preformace
  • + 0
 under-upvoted comment
  • + 4
 @rideitall-bmx-dh-road-unicycle: idk why I keep getting downvoted but trek is always at a super high price point with very disappointing bikes. Every trek I've ridden was just MEH at best. Clearly this follows the trend
  • + 20
 Son of a bitch, a 461mm reach?! My medium Sentinel is nearly there
  • + 3
 It may have, but it has shorter travel and steeper head angle.
  • + 12
 I think it's safe to say this bike needs a significant refresh. I'd wager the Tues will outperform it all around for a bunch less money.
  • - 4
flag TheR (Oct 8, 2018 at 20:59) (Below Threshold)
 Bwahahahahahaha!
  • + 11
 When the 29er YT Tues is released do you think anyone will be able to tell the difference between a $5,000 bike vs a $8,000?
  • + 30
 One sick a$$ vacation of a difference. Like Whistler sick.
  • + 8
 Canyon sender will most likely get a 29 version soon aswell. Commencal already have a 29er that performs insanely well. Looks like more brands will be forced to go direct sale.
  • + 5
 The Trek probably won't break.

My 4 month old top spec CF Pro race Tues? Yeah. It's at YT right now because of frame issues. After my 2017 Jeffsy came back for frame issues 3 months ago. Woo.
  • + 2
 @jamesdunford: My 2015 Capra is still going strong with zero issues.
  • + 11
 What, no high pivot idler pulley?
  • + 3
 No, this is 9.9, it is the Session GT that has it.
  • + 10
 "struggles to maintain traction in rough corners"

*shows bike airborne over a rough corner*
  • + 22
 If it’s airborn, it’s not maintaining traction...
  • + 11
 Was a cool bike before the wheels came up to your nipples.
  • + 49
 You must have really droopy nipples.
  • + 3
 How do you find a sick bike, with you being only 36 inches tall??
  • + 10
 For a made in Taiwan mountain bike frame the price is super high.
  • - 5
flag mlr428 (Oct 9, 2018 at 2:35) (Below Threshold)
 Trump tarrifs
  • + 6
 I have this bike built up with RF sixc cranks, LB carbon wheels, 2.5 DHF EXO front and 2.4 DHRII EXO rear (procore in back). It comes in at 31.5lb with peddles. bike is super light and does get tossed around on the rough stuff. I wish they optioned the bike with the shorter offset fork at the wheel is so far out it is in another area code. Also 2019 X2 shock with the smaller can should help. I was running it full of volume reducers and lots of LSC and HSC and wished it had more progression. It corners like a boss and caries tons of speed on the trail.
  • + 1
 EXO tires on a DH bike in Whistler? How do you last longer than a day before slicing them or rolling them off the rim?
  • + 9
 Best suited to pilots that are “precise and highly skilled.”

I’m out.
  • + 8
 Agreed! So are 80% of pinkbike comment section posters, although only 40% of that 80% will admit they’re not good enough, while of the remaining 20%, only 10% will concede that they’re good enough, leaving 10% of all posters believing that they could handle said bike, while 99.5% of the remaining 10% can’t afford this bike’s ridiculous price tag and will buy something else..
  • + 9
 I don't care which is faster.... which is more fun?!?!
  • + 42
 A DJ bike with 26" nasty tires.
  • + 10
 @Svinyard: so few people get it...
  • + 5
 "..but the amount of force that can actually be created due to friction between a tire and varying trail surfaces and conditions actually becomes quite small." I'm sorry what? Braking forces are some of the largest forces driven into the bike. I realize the rear brake force is significantly less than the front but to say they are insignificant is ridiculous.

The same applies to most of their other comments. Pedal kickback absolutely matters for rider feedback and suspension performance. At least the leverage curve comments made sense. No wonder the bike didn't track well in the rough when that is your approach to suspension design.
  • + 8
 When will someone modernize DH frame geo like Transition's Speed/Balance/Geometry?
  • + 3
 So a Large TR11 with 80d sta, 60d hta, 1400mm wheelbase, and 12 speeds? Who'll provide the reduced offset dual crown? Bring it. May require a similarly modernized uplift.
  • + 0
 If you want an SBG DH bike can’t you just buy a longer one and get a set of short offset crowns from a 26” fork or one of the custom options?
But there’s also the fact DH bikes are lead more by the competition side and what gets results. If any of the top level racers were doing it with success it would already be a thing.
  • - 2
 @iqbal-achieve: The top level racers are on the biggest brands who'd prefer geometry to maintain the status quo.
  • + 9
 @scottzg: I think they’d prefer their racers to win and if their racers thought they could do that with a bike that’s too big and a massive trail figure I’m sure they’d be down with whatever if it got em on the podium.
  • + 0
 @iqbal-achieve: forget who, but seen a company selling aftermarket crowns on here a while ago.
  • + 1
 @doe222: yeah there’s at least a couple. Not sure the Mojo ones are on the market yet but it’s possible.
  • + 1
 @iqbal-achieve: Outsider Bikes makes a set of Offset crowns with adjustable inserts.
  • + 2
 Just get a long reach bike and buy Outsider Bikes Offset Crowns. 3 Different offsets come to play with. I run a 2017 Operator with this setup and it's phenomenal.
  • + 0
 @mustbike: which offset d’you prefer?
  • + 2
 Buy the new Öhlins fork and pick your crown offset. And it's ready for 27.5 or 29 inch wheels.
  • + 2
 @mustbike: never heard of them before. Looks cool. Pb test these
  • + 2
 @scottzg: Top racers are conservative and prefer to get used to their bikes and work on themselves. This is why no one is riding super long bikes with sub 30mm stems, etc. Greg Minaar is a good example of someone who has taken 20 years to discover what he really needed was a longer reach bike all along.
  • + 1
 @doe222: Mojorising
  • + 6
 @SintraFreeride: I think there’s a difference between tall guys like Minnaar finally having a bike that fits them and the idea that longer bikes are simply better. Which is being used as gimmick to sell bikes as well as where the whole thing has become confused imo. Long bike work because they are appropriate sizes for taller riders, not necessarily because having the biggest wheelbase/ reach you can is the best.
Greg was killing it even when he was riding a bike that we’d now probably all agree was too small for him. It’s not as if he suddenly started crushing the WC when he got a bigger bike.
At the risk of really going off topic perhaps the shorter bikes made more sense when the tracks were technical and nasty, now they’re flying at 50mph and the bigger bikes come to the fore...as well as the fit thing. If it continues to go down that route then maybe reduced offsets will creep in.
  • + 1
 @iqbal-achieve: Greg was killing it because he is a great rider. With enough skills you can ride anything. My point was that you can not use the Worldcup DH pros as a reference for what works as they are super conservative. Longer reach bikes work. Is there such a thing as too long? Sure!
  • + 9
 Looks like a GT.
  • + 6
 frame & fork 6K CDN.
what the entire F*** is wrong with Trek do they think everyone is a rich ass fool?
  • + 2
 Yeah but they'll still sell out most likely.... I'm gonna stick with short travel 650b steel trail bikes and ride it till I break it
  • + 3
 @lozzerbiker: im sold on the 650 as well and it seems everyone has a rad one
  • + 5
 that is almost Unno. Go home Trek you are drunk.
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: the complete Unno costs kess than a Yeti, Pivot or Trek
  • + 7
 Looks like a hell of a mountain bike
  • + 3
 I rode one at whistler, this year on demo. And it felt Damn light and easy to jump, but i agree with Paul... It was pretty harsh on the rough stuff. Of course, it wasn't set up for me other than sag. Caught some attention in the uplift queue though!
  • + 5
 I don't know what it is....but I really do hate Treks. Had a Session, ended up hating it. Over priced, over rated and far better alternatives out there.
  • + 3
 Running only 18% sag in the front and twisting the clickers all the way out to compensate may have had something to do with the bike's uneasy nature.
Rule #1 on suspension is you use the spring to support your weight and let the damping circuits do their job(s) of controlling the rate of compression and extension(rebound).
  • + 4
 So, how does is stack up against a Supreme DH? Or will there be a 29er comparison soon? Also inetrested in the new Wilson which seems to be longer than a shuttle truck
  • + 4
 Same here. I am waiting for a match between the commencal, the devinci and the future Canyon Sender 29 and YT Tues 29
  • + 5
 thank you for the honest review
  • + 2
 "My only gripe with any of the parts is the slight rattle from the finned IceTec brake pads on small bumps. "

Shamano on you: Ride with a full face helmet...should not be a problem anymore...
  • + 1
 @jaybird951: I wear a full face on gravel paths! #FullEnduro

LoL
  • + 1
 Another $8,400 bicycle. The new Trek Kona! LoL

Man it's hilarious to see the reviewer/marketing push for 29ers. A quick look at what the pros are doing gives you a real idea of what is faster, and for who. I guess fools and their money really are easily parted.

There is no truth in advertising.
  • + 1
 Dont want to go against Trek here, they make nice bikes... but these things are a nightmare if you dont have a fully loaded workshop to fix them all the time. I worked on my fair share of these bikes this summer, and every single one had issues. 2 came out of the box with blown shocks, 3 cracked frames. beautiful bikes, but definitely only for the factory guys.
  • + 2
 Shocks being blown is not Treks Issue... but 3 cracked frames? How were they breaking in the box on the way to your shop?
  • + 1
 "I rarely get sore hands from riding, but this combination of a super stiff bar and slim lock-on grips beat me up. A quick change to some alloy Renthal FatBar's and Push On grips helped."

You know you have made a stiff f*cking bar when this comment gets rolled out... lol
  • + 1
 I thought "4-bar" had to have a pivot on the chainstay IN FRONT of the rear axle? I'm not being snotty, really trying to understand the different suspension types and as I research I see different descriptions.
  • + 3
 4 bar simply means there's '4 bars' making up the suspension. These are the chainstay, seatstay, rocker and shock. It really has nothing to do with it being an FSR or in this case, a single pivot. Technically this bike could be called a 'single pivot 4 bar'
  • + 1
 @Tmackstab
Kinda true, but then this definition makes nearly all full sus bikes apart from oranges technically 4 bar designs...

If trying to truly define the very vague idea your average mtb'er means when they say 4 bar, I think the answer is basically "looks like a session" ie traditional seat stay and chainstay arrangement, with a pivot between the two, and the seatstays driving a rocker attached to the shock.

@yupstate
I sounds like you are thinking of an FSR layout, as found on most specialized bikes. These are 4 bar designs with the rear axle/brake attached to the seatstays and a pivot somewhere along the chainstay in front of the rear axle.
Trek use ABP which is a 4 bar with the rear axle/brake attached to the seatstay but with a pivot running concentric to the axle.
Kona use their design, whatever its called, which is a 4 bar with the rear axle/brake attached to the chainstay, and a pivot somewhere along the seatstay above the rear axle.
  • + 1
 @gabriel-mission9: I guess we could say the Trek is an ABP 4 bar, Specialized is FSR 4 bar and the Kona would be a Single Pivot 4 bar.
  • + 2
 @Tmackstab: Except ABP 4 bar is also a single pivot, like Kona; Trek just found a tricker name for it.
  • + 1
 @Tmackstab: you guys are both correct. To add more context and confusion to this: ABP/split pivot, FSR/Horst link, single pivot/linkage driven are other commonly used terms to describe these 4-bar designs.
  • + 1
 @ninjatarian: Kinda. ABP has the axle path of a single pivot but the brake mounted to the seatstay as found on an FSR. Given that the axle path of an FSR varies so insignificantly to that of a single pivot, I'd say ABP is closer to FSR than single pivot.
  • + 2
 @cuban-b: yeah, and as a Scott Gambler and Commencal V4 are also "linkage driven single pivots", while Santa Cruz V10s and Mondraker Summums are "short link 4 bar" everything gets a bit confusing.
  • + 0
 Trek uses a link activated single pivot(axle path), so not four bar. The brake is mounted to the floating seat stay and behaves similar to a four bar bike(floating instant centre). Most bikes are four bar or single pivot, Felt used to make a six bar, not sure if they still do and Dave Weagle makes DW6 which I believe is a six bar, Not sure what the Yeti switch infinity category fits into?
  • + 1
 @justincs: I suppose yeti would be single pivot floating instant center??
  • + 2
 @cuban-b: imo yeti would be closest to dw-link (4 bar shrt links co-rotating), where the lower link is replaced by the sliding part
  • + 2
 @ondrejaugustin: agree. I neglected to consider that upper link. So the entire rear end is floating like DW/Maestro. Oh god we forgot about Maestro!

Oh what about polygon and Marin???
  • + 1
 I agree that the through bolt for the rear is too wide. My Slash had a Q/R which I promptly switched out for a Robert Axle Project bolt. Lower profile AND it doesn’t rattle loose like the quick release.
  • + 2
 Bonty just released new bolt on thru axles. Just picked up a couple and they seem to be a good, affordable solution. For future reference.
  • + 1
 @Nathan6209: Good to know - thanks!
  • + 5
 Perfect paint job.
  • + 4
 It seem painfully small on paper
  • + 3
 That raw carbon is not gorgeous; paint that frame! My old GT STS had better looking Thermoplastic.
  • + 3
 I've seen the bike in person and it does look very nice. Also, with the raw finish you don't have to worry about paint chips. I had an 2015 Slash 9.8 that had the raw finish and after a season of riding the frame looked pretty mint with nearly a mark on it. I then got the 2016 Slash 9.7 that was had a blue matte paint job, the paint chipped really easily.
  • + 2
 @charmingbob: the 2015 9.8 wasn't raw, and there was no 2016 9.7
  • + 1
 @j-t-g: Your right, there was no 9.7 in 2016, that was a typo on my part, the 2016 9.8 was matte blue. Maybe the 2015 Slash 9.8 wasn’t officially raw, however when the sun hit it just right you could see the carbon weave, it definitely wasn’t painted matte or glossy black. I have some pictures of it on my profile, in one of the photos you can kind of see what I mean.

m.pinkbike.com/u/charmingbob/album/Slash-98
  • + 0
 I wonder why no body is offering DH frames with botle cage option?... Does no one rides Park in hot summer all long as lift ticket allows ? Or you have to stop at evey run to do a coke somewhere? Or yes that´s a great idea ride DH fullspeeds...semi dehydratated all day long... and next one... until your summmer holidays suddently are done...
  • + 5
 Do yourself a favor and get one of these www.platy.com/bottles-storage/softbottle
As long as your riding trousers have a pocket, you're good to go. Fill it up at the bottom of the hill, drink on the way up the lift, stow in pocket when empty. Repeat.
  • + 2
 Do the parks that you go to not have water stations at the top and bottom of the lift?

Seems almost impossible to imagine a not falling out while riding DH lines.
  • + 2
 @pdxkid: Sorry but I don't like to carry that wheigh/bulk in one side jumping around... I think after 29ers and enduro bros have been accepted... is not that dramatic for this community to accept bottle cages on DH bikes. Is one more reason to buy one DH bike and not the other...
  • + 3
 @Mntneer: normally the water at high altitudes doesn't contains too much minerals...
I don't like to fall at all and I want to minimise the risks AMAP. Dehidratation is the first cause of fatigue... Too much bullshit of how optimise the machine, and we forgot the mainone...
  • + 1
 @PauRexs: something as simple as electrolyte and mineral tablets, with some carbohydrate, salt, and amino acid powder typically fits into my pocket or waisy bag.

I agree, however, that most people are improperly nourished which leads to unnecessary injuries.
  • + 4
 @PauRexs: "Sorry but I don't like to carry that wheigh/bulk in one side jumping around"

the bottle linked above weighs 0.8z (0.02kg).

If that's too heavy for your jumping balance you could get a "Salomon Soft Flask" which weighs 0.6oz (0.017kg).

Just put it in your left shorts pocket to offset the weight of the shifter on the right side of your handlebars.
  • + 4
 You could just buy a Capri sun which is basically the same bottle with orange or whatever and costs about £1. Not sure if they’re available outside the uk but surely there’s similar products... @pdxkid:
  • + 2
 Buy 2 litre bottle and deposit it near the lift... Easy as that. Everyone does it here in Europe.
  • + 2
 @GloryBoy00: £1 for a Capri sun?! In the Czech Republic, we can get 3 of those for a pound.
  • + 2
 doing coke somewhere....sounds better than frame bottles
  • + 4
 Are lighter DH bikes better?
Simple enough question
  • - 2
 My DH is 41lbs and is light as a feather at speed.
  • + 2
 @justincs: at 41 pounds your bike isn't light at any speed lol sorry to break it to yah
  • + 3
 @nismo325: If you're a 90lb girl then my apologies it will be quite heavy, Have a great day young lady!
  • + 4
 Pro's - Can win on it. Con's - Will steal it.
  • + 1
 Finally the session is exposed for the average or sub par bike that is is. Viva la 27.5 and down with trek's highly priced machines!
  • + 3
 Looks like the reviewer wasn't overly enamored with this bike
  • - 1
 "I'm convinced that the maximum width of the back of a downhill bike should be as narrow as possible"....wait what???? Do you even know why hub spacing of dh bikes are so width? after this one I just stop reading an understood I got to forget everything he said...
  • + 4
 Yes, the spoke angle should be wider for DH bikes, that's not what I commented on. The complete external width of the frame/brake/axle/derailleur should be as narrow as possible to help thread the bike through gnarly terrain on precise lines. The Trek with its ABP and wide axle protruding is probably the widest on the market.
  • + 1
 @paulaston: it doesn't make any sense.
  • + 1
 What's controversial here? Less wide > more wide, and if you're going to widen it you need to have a good reason. Putting the pivot there isn't a great reason.
  • - 1
 @paulaston: now I know what you meant...yes, makes sense...I guess they do it because of the ABP maybe, I don't know
  • + 2
 So are the High End Trek's still made in Wisconsin? If not this could be a $5000 frame real soon.
  • + 1
 Not this one. They moved the production to Asia last year for this frame (27.5 included).
  • + 1
 “Gorgeous raw carbon finish” ????????
Park that next to a Hope HB.160 mate - that’ll make it look like the Trek was built in someone’s shed!
  • + 3
 At the first glance I thought 56.6 is a head tube angle, lol
  • + 1
 I’m just not a Trek fan. They just don’t inspire any bike lust in me at all.
  • - 2
 " The Session 29" comes in a gorgeous raw carbon finish."
Sure, compared to a Unno bike looks like shit, and overpriced
Sorry to say this but after reading so many people complaining about Ancillotti welds -they are not nice looking at all I must say- its incredible to see how much they charge for a bike tha look, to me, unfinished.
  • + 1
 Maybe we should dispatch the unfinished carbon layup waambuance. Waaaaaa!
  • + 1
 Well the Unno design looks great but the carbon weave on the Unno frames looks cheap cheap cheap
  • + 1
 @christiaan: What does "looks cheap" mean in a carbon weave context ?
  • + 1
 @opignonlibre: for me personally I find the clean carbon weave outer layer looks cheap like a yes we are carbon bling, i prefer UD
  • + 1
 Is it just me or does the carbon lay up look like it's been done by a child, especially the top tube seat tube area.
  • + 1
 This makes me want to get another DH bike! Never been a Trek fan but this bike would be perfect for me and for where I ride
  • + 1
 But..........i heard they 29ers we're banned. I would love to try it. Still have my session 88 and bought the slash 9.8.
  • + 1
 All that set up and they couldn't line up the two X's on MAXXIS with the valve...
  • + 1
 @candidkumara I heard the real pro's place the valve opposite the logo, so in the work stand the heavier side rotates to the bottom showing off the logo in the correct orientation for passing fans?
  • + 2
 Throw it in the enduro category with its 190mm travel. Blasphemy.
  • - 2
 Got my similar design Vitus Dominer (ally) for £1750 new complete. Rated at 16.3 without pedals.
After two weeks in morzine on it I came home and I swapped out the DH casing tyres for normal HR2"s and went tubeless.
Went to placcy pedals and its sub 16kg now. Could go less by adding carbon but hate plastic shit. Personally I love a light DH bike, makes it more seamless when swapping between my enduro bikes and I dont have to adjust my riding to compensate for going from 14.5kg to 18kg. Thats ally and near the weight of the session and costs about a qrtr of the price.
Absolutely love it.
  • + 9
 Not to take anything from the Vitus, but this is 2lbs lighter with DH tires, a 29er, and an XL
  • + 2
 Time for Adyon to bulk up like Gee and ride those 29ers hard
  • + 2
 Where do i put my water bottle though?
  • + 0
 This is clearly coming out of Gees hands.
Looking at Gee I'm convinced this isn't the right bike for me, which may be the reason they didn't call it the "Gee-Spec"
  • + 2
 33 lbs! damn that is light!
  • + 1
 All but the most recent and long bikes have way too short of reach. This one is just too short.
  • - 2
 I road one of these things recently and I disagree with pretty much everything in this review. With some compression (low and high) dialled in and slightly on the slow side rebound at both ends and it felt like a monster truck. Probably the most stable bike I have ever ridden and the light weight allows you to move it around with little effort. The old review cliche of a bike making you ride into familiar sections faster than you expected, actually happened on the session I rode. It also had the handling to get me through said section without killing me which was nice!

Sorry Pinkbike but this is a crap review.
  • + 10
 @treggs

What type of bikes are you comparing it to? I rode this directly against 29" wheeled 2018/19 Commencal Supreme, Norco HSP, prototype Banshee Legend, Cube Stereo 215, and since I returned the Trek on an Intense M29, GT Fury, Devinci Wilson, and Saracen Myst?

It is still a massive downhill bike with big wheels, top suspension, and downhill tires, it will feel like a monster truck compared to most things. All my thought are in comparison to the bikes in the list above, I would like to know what you are comparing it against?
  • + 1
 One of the most successful dh bikes ever and the reviewer says “lacks traction in the rough” lol
  • + 2
 Did we forget that the V10 is older than the Session?
  • + 2
 This bike just looks right, great job Trek
  • + 1
 Turner 29 DHR is gonna be session killer
  • + 1
 Is that gonna be a thing?!
  • + 1
 Yes very soon!@LOLWTF:
  • + 1
 @DONKEY-FELTCHER: when?!?! I'm trying to get a new bike asap
  • + 1
 How about a review on that new bronson instead...
  • + 2
 They already did it. Let me summarize. "I was expecting a 29er. I wonder why they didn't make it a 29er??? I prefer 29ers. Why aren't all bikes 29ers? Oh, it's a perfectly good bike, I guess, but I would have liked it better if it was a 29er."
  • + 0
 Just feels like a big ass boat. Hated the bike. Unless your life revolves around 29er, save your money.
  • + 0
 “The Session 29" comes in a gorgeous raw carbon finish”

... says the blind man ....
  • + 2
 Does look like a session
  • + 1
 ...22/24psi and EXO casing tires? Aston be smooth AF.
  • + 12
 Those are DH casing tires.
  • - 12
flag Hilleye (Oct 8, 2018 at 10:01) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer: nope definitely EXO casing...
  • + 2
 It says "DH Casing" right on the tire. They do look like dual compound instead of 3C though.
  • + 3
 @Hilleye: nope definitely says DH casing on the photo of the tyre
  • + 1
 @mikekazimer: EXO protection, dh casing.... new to me.
  • + 1
 both the UCI says it is illegal
  • + 1
 Man....I wish pink bike had saved some good news for the off season.
  • + 1
 "best suited to strong or heavy pilots"
Comes in small size.............?
  • + 13
 For short fat people
  • + 4
 @DaveGFC: Chode pilot reporting for session duty lol.
  • + 2
 time for 32'
  • + 0
 If it’s good enough for Gee winning RedBull hardline, it’s good enough for everyone else! ????????
  • + 10
 Well, not everyone is as good as Gee, so that logic might not work.
  • + 0
 @slumgullion: absolutely correct! Haha!
  • + 5
 Get this man a Session and entry to next years Hardline.
  • + 1
 @LemonadeMoney: the bike is definitely good enough. Me, on the other end, definitely far from that reality... Thanks for the confidence though.
  • + 1
 *Aston
  • + 1
 yuck
  • + 0
 stock with EXO tires. GTFO
  • + 1
 Exo DH tyres.
  • + 1
 @panaphonic: i haven't seen those yet but i where it says dh casing
  • + 1
 @SnowshoeRider4Life: I've got some. They are a Kevlar bead to tubeless Ready DH tyre.
  • - 1
 Real life review of a normal rider: 29 vs 27.5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfJxT3zxDyk
  • + 0
 FWIW I ride behind this bike a dozen on times... it disappears fast.
  • + 17
 No shit. You spend so much time writing novels in the Pinkbike comment section you can't be very good at actual riding
  • + 1
 @freeridejerk888: as long as I am slower than you, you can sleep well.
  • + 0
 The finishing looks sloppy.
  • - 2
 So what's going to happen to all of these 10k 29ers now the UCI are going ban them from competition.
  • - 2
 "The Session 29" comes in a gorgeous raw carbon finish." No Paul it looks like crapp. Seriously.
  • + 3
 I agree never really cared for the brand but the a red session is about the mtb equivalency of a red Ferrari... Wouldn't necessarily buy one yourself, but you can't help but get drawn into that red paint... this just looks lazy!
  • + 3
 Exactly what I thought! Compared to my Hope, the Trek looks like the carbon was laid up by a six year-old!
  • - 1
 ...and I am selling those brakes, here on pinkbike. Smile
  • + 2
 They suck
  • - 3
 One of the few times when I'll say to get a commencal instead
  • - 1
 Looks smal
  • - 2
 I tought this is a... oh wait, it is a Session!
  • - 2
 What does "30% sag (standing)" mean? Like placing no weight on it?
  • + 2
 Maybe standing on the pedals? seated sag is also a thing usually a higher number. standing/seated +5%
  • + 1
 @justincs: while that makes perfect sense, I always thought you set sag in attack position. So you just add 5% to what you want and sit on the bike and that works too? That would be a hell of a lot easier!
  • + 4
 @Rubberelli: you set sag somewhere near frame makers recommendation for standing on the pedals with light hands heave feet. It is achievable standing up right, weigt distribution will be identical as in “attack” position. You will then fine tune it after riding the bike if you know what result you try to achieve. Considering you will try to hit a good balance between grip/ stability/ bump eating of the fork in relation to the rear you may want to fiddle a bit with front and rear balance. After you’ve been riding the bike. Can’t imagine going set and forget. with Sag setting when getting a new frame.
  • - 1
 As they say:
"GIT GUD!"
  • - 3
 I see Trek still has quality issues with the Session.

www.instagram.com/p/BoC-j1cnJix/?taken-by=_thomas_lawson
  • + 5
 You mean, dude crashed his bike and broke it?
  • + 0
 @FisherFreerider: your $$$ frame should not break because you crash. Madison, you do not happen to work at Trek do you?
  • + 1
 @downhere67: Unfortunately that is not the reality. Nope just ride bikes and live here.
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