Troy Brosnan's and Jared Graves' Specialized S-Works Stumpjumpers - EWS Round 4, La Thuile, Italy

Jul 14, 2016
by Richard Cunningham  
Jared Graves and Troy Brosnan
Jared Graves (left) rides a 29-inch-wheel, 135mm-travel Specialized S-Works FSR Stumpjumper. Troy Brosnan is racing the 150mm-travel, 27.5-inch-wheel version.


PB's Matt Wragg interviewed Team Specialized's Troy Brosnan and Jared Graves at La Thuile to talk about how they prepared their bikes for EWS Round Four in Italy. Brosnan, who is currently second in the World Cup DH series, is taking a "break" from his day job to race enduro. His weapon of choice is the 27.5-inch-wheeled S-Works Stumpjumper, while Graves, a former World Cup DH pro and EWS champion, chose the 29-inch-wheeled version. With both men coming to the EWS from successful DH careers, it was interesting to learn about the similarities and peculiarities of their race bikes, suspension setups, and component choices.




Troy Brosnan's S-Works Stumpjumper FSR 650b


EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.

Troy says he normally rides a medium-sized frame when he is back home, but he chose a large for this event to give his Stumpjumper a more downhill bike feel to match the severity of the terrain. To that purpose, he chose a 170-millimeter-stroke RockShox Lyrik fork to slacken out the front end of the 150mm-travel chassis, which is suspended by a conventional-looking Monarch Plus RC3 shock. At 143 pounds (65kg), the diminutive downhiller says that he runs his fork at 25 to 30 percent sag - a bit softer setup than he uses for his Demo - with two, maybe three air volume spacers to prevent bottoming. Brosnan admitted that they were still working on the shock tune, so he could not give us any useful numbers.

EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Brosnan is riding 11-speed SRAM XX1...
EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
...With the levers relatively close-in to fit his small hands.

Brosnan runs 2.3-inch Specialized Butcher tires, presently with the Grid casings set at his DH race pressures of 27psi for the front and 30 to 31 for the rear, because, "Butchers take a fair bit of pressure to work. ...You can lower the pressure to get more grip, but then they don't roll that good..." If he needed more grip, Brosnan mentioned that he was leaning towards downhill casings for the race. "I'm wondering, going between the Grid casing and the downhill casing. That's my main focus on tires right now. ...With the downhill casing the knobs are a bit taller and you got a bit more deeper tread, so you probably want to keep the same pressures."

EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Barely enough room for a bottle under that Monarch Plus reservoir shock in Brosnan's large-sized frame.
EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
...And his 150mm RockShox Reverb Stealth dropper couldn't be any taller. Slammed to the stops, it barely fits his pedaling height.

"My brakes, that's the main thing that I like to have really good. I have little hands so I gotta run my levers in real close, but then I also like them to bite real soon. So, my poor mechanic has a hard time trying to bleed them and doing pad advances, but we've definitely got them dialed right now." Brosnan uses SRAM Code calipers for their braking power, paired with Guide levers, which he prefers for their feel. Rotors are 180mm in the rear and 200mm up front.

EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Brosnan trusts carbon handlebars...
EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
...But he doesn't trust carbon rims.

For enduro racing, Troy like his handlebar a bit lower for better pedaling. He uses a 38 millimeter rise for DH and 30-millimeter rise for his EWS bike. And, he is particular about his rims. No carbon, please. He likes the lighter feel of carbon (he rides Renthal Lite carbon bars), but doesn't trust the durability of carbon rims for descending, so his race bike gets 30-millimeter-wide DT Swiss EX 1501 aluminum wheels - the same rims he uses for his DH bike. Troy wants his saddle slammed for the steeps, so he uses a 150-millimeter RockShox Reverb Stealth dropper - which would not have been possible if the seat tube of his large-sized frame was any taller. At full insertion, the post exactly matches Brosnan's extended pedaling position.

EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Lyrik 170mm-stroke fork up front, and 150mm of rear-wheel travel.
EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
SRAM Code calipers for power, driven by Guide levers for feel.

Troy's drivetrain components are pretty much out of the carton: an eleven-speed SRAM XX1 ensemble, including a 32-tooth chainring, backed up by a Specialized top guide. Pedals are HT, which Brosnan reportedly has been using since the Gwin era. Overall, Brosnan's bike is a straight-forward build, but the devil, as the cliché goes, is always in the details. The only unanswered question was; "Why he chose a Stumpjumper over the Specialized Enduro 650?" Perhaps Jared Grave's answer applies to Brosnan as well.

EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Looks like he's running a 32-tooth chainring under a Specialized top guide.
EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Troy was among the first DH pros to choose HT pedals. Graves also uses HT.



Jared Graves' S-Works Stumpjumper FSR 29

EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.

Why the Stumpjumper 29?

"I had one at home since January, and I had been meaning to try it out. When I got home from Ireland, I had a couple of days off. I was sort of pissed off with the trip in general and just decided to push the reset button on the season, so to speak. My bike was still sitting in the box, and I wanted to go for a bit of a spin, and this was sitting there, so I jumped on it and, honestly, from the instant I first got on the dirt on it, I absolutely loved it. I wanted to hate it. I've always been kinda’ against 29ers. But, I think there are all sorts of stereotypes about 29ers - they don't corner well and they're not good in the tight stuff - but that was from years ago when geometry was not figured out yet. I can honestly ride it just like a 650 or 27.5, or whatever you call them. It's fun, its playful and the sizing of this bike in particular - it just fits me really well. It's spot on and I'm loving it right now."

EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Graves gets SRAM's X0-level Eagle 12-speed transmission powered by a 34-tooth chainring. (He runs a 36t on his 27.5 bikes.)
EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Eagle's hyper-engineered hooked tooth profile did not deter Graves from adding a proper MRP chainguide.

When asked why he chose a Stumpjumper over an Enduro, Graves said that initially, he liked the geometry of the Stumpjumper over the Enduro, but the reality was that there was no choice - Specialized has no Enduro 29s left, and he intimated that he has yet to ride an Enduro 29, so he can't provide a comparison between the two bikes. Will Graves "convert" to 29-inch wheels? Not for the entire season, it seems. Graves says he will ride the big-wheel Stumpy for the next two races and probably switch back to his 27.5" wheeled bike for the Whistler EWS.

EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Graves says that only two RockShox Super Deluxe shocks have been modified with special linkage hardware to fit the Stumpjumper 29. The position of the air can is reversed, which suggests that the incorporation of the metric shock is still a work in progress at Specialized.

Graves rides a 160-millimeter-stroke RockShox Lyrik fork and its 135-millimeter-travel rear suspension is powered by one of RockShox's new metric shock, a Super Deluxe RC3, modified to work with the Stumpjumper's yoke-style shock extension. Graves says that there may only be two in existence, and curiously, the damper is reversed on his bike - which (considering how late it is in their development cycle) provides a strong hint that the next generation of Stumpjumpers and possibly, Enduros as well, will not use the extension at all.

Fork pressure is set at 92psi with three volume spacers. Graves says that he simply tells RockShox how he wants the shock to work and lets them do the magic - but his last pressure reading was 210psi. For comparison's sake, Graves weighs 178 pounds (81kg).

EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
SRAM Guide brake levers well inboard, powering Code calipers.
EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Graves always runs a 200mm rotor up front.

Tires of choice are Specialized Butcher 2.3-inch with the tougher-but-not-quite-DH-strength, Grid casings. Graves says they weigh about 1000 grams each and he runs 26 pounds up front and 29 to 30psi in the back. "They feel too squirmy when you start getting close to the 24psi range."

Graves is a fan of carbon rims on his 29er, but admits that he switches back and forth from carbon to aluminum rims when he feels that there is a chance he'll break a wheel. "You can't deny how nice carbon wheels run and how nice they feel."

"I'm running the old ghetto tubeless - that was my go-to setup. I had that everywhere in 2014 and 2013. I hadn't run it since tires and rims have become more tubeless specific. Hopefully it helps prevent flats. It also gives that buffer between the tire and the rim - it takes the sting out. What people don't realize is that for us, mostly it’s a case of we don’t get our flats by slashing the tire. Nine times out of ten it's pinching the entire tire, like we would a tube. It used to be a way for non-tubeless tires and rims to seal the air, but now, it's a way of making a protective buffer between the tire and rim - hopefully, less chance of breaking a rim, and less chance of flatting a tire. That's the theory. We'll see how it goes."

EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Narrow bars: Graves says he overhangs the grips to get them to 750mm wide. The stem is inverted, and there is no spacer.
EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
The IRcc Command Post only has a 125mm stroke (unless Graves is rocking a prototype). We expected a 150mm dropper.

EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Ghetto tubeless: Graves says that except for the past two seasons, he had always used sliced inner-tubes to convert his wheels - primarily to cushion the tires in order to stave off pinch flats. For EWS number four this season, he returned to the tried-and-true conversion.

SRAM's Eagle twelve speed ensemble is almost as hard to come by as 29-inch Specialized Enduros. Graves' bike has the X0 version, backed up by a full-span MRP chainguide. There are whispers in the pits that the Eagle chainring's hooked tooth profile does a less than perfect job of retaining the chain, and while our experience does not substantiate that, we will keep a close watch to verify that rumor. Graves says that he runs a 36-tooth chainring on his 27.5-wheel bikes, but drops down to a 34-tooth on his 29er.

EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Graves has no issue with carbon rims on his 29er, but admits that he'll switch to aluminum rims for rough courses when he is on his 27.5-inch-wheel bike.
EWS 4 2016 La Thuile Italy. Photo by Matt Wragg.
Both Graves and Brosnan run Butcher Grid 2.3-inch tires front and rear, but if practice dictates otherwise, they may switch to the DH versions.

Graves is a big boy, and he speaks well of his brakes, which are also a combination of SRAM Code calipers, powered by Guide levers. On big courses like La Thuile, Graves runs 200-millimeter rotors on both ends - but will sometimes switch to a 180-millimeter rear rotor to reduce the possibility of bending one in the rocks. Conversely, he prefers narrower handlebars than present fashion dictates. He overhangs his grips slightly to extend the width of his Renthal Fatbar Lites to 750 millimeters. His Renthal stem is flipped upside down and the spacer is eliminated to mitigate the extra height created by the 29-inch wheels.

"To be honest, they [the aluminum Renthal bars] were the only ones we had in the van. I'm not really finicky about alloy or carbon. I run the carbon's usually, 'cause they're strong as hell and they're lighter, so why not? I've never had an issue with them. They have the exact same rise and sweep and they feel the same ...and consistency is all that matters to me."





170 Comments

  • 242 12
 "Butchers take a fair bit of pressure to work"
"my poor mechanic has a hard time trying to bleed them and doing pad advances"
"doesn't trust the durability of carbon rims for descending"
"the Eagle chainring's hooked tooth profile does a less than perfect job of retaining the chain"
"overhangs his grips slightly to extend the width of his Renthal Fatbar Lites to 750 millimeters"

I am sure the sponsors are absolutely delighted with this article!
  • 18 11
 I got Butchers after having Minions Exo 60a. I was more than pleased with them... Until I tried Minion DHF 3C Maxx Grip. Now I only have a Slaughter GRID in the rear. All I'm saying is, they should takr advice from Gwin how to get on Maxxis without pissing off their sponsors Big Grin

Sure both Troy and Jared are Gods and they would smoke me on semi-slicks but... Maxxis iz bettahz!
  • 42 6
 @dugglesthemuddled - maybe not, but keep in mind that the needs and demands of Graves and Brosnan are different than 99% of the riders out there. I'm sure there are plenty of people that can run Butchers at 24 psi without any problem, but if you corner like Graves, well, that's a different story. And many racers are picky / superstitious, whatever you want to call it about their bikes, which is why you'll occasionally see some odd or out of the ordinary setup choices.
  • 61 4
 "Specialized has no Enduro 29ers left"
In ALL of specialized there isn't a single Enduro 29?
  • 19 0
 @bridgermurray: That sounds about right if they are about to drop a complete redesign in a couple weeks. They have likely been quietly offloading all their inventory. Old stock inventory is hell on the balance sheet when nobody wants to buy it.
  • 5 0
 @bridgermurray: I guess if they are going to send him one, they are going to send him the top level (S-Works) model in his size. That may be a niche which they don't make/stock many of.
  • 14 1
 @bridgermurray: Seriously, how is one of the biggest bike co's in the world not able to find a bike for one of their top pros? They didn't think to hold on to a couple or even build one up out of spares parts they save for warranty claims?
  • 6 0
 @bridgermurray: Can confirm that there are 4 large and 6 medium s works Enduro 29ers sitting in the warehouse waiting to be ordered and shipped to bike shops, but there are no frames which is probably what they would be using.
  • 118 0
 I, for one, appreciate candor like this. Maybe we shouldn't be giving these sponsored athletes a tough time for being honest, but thanking them and letting their sponsors know that we appreciate these types of honest and detailed bike-checks.

Maybe you aren't really giving the athletes themselves trouble, but when the sponsors come and see this as the top-voted comment, I can imagine a memo being issued to the PR guys: "Double-check any bike check articles for negative commentary!"

Keep MTB honest: Be kind to those that are.
  • 2 0
 @bridgermurray:
Last year a lot of stores were left with a lot of '15s when Specialized was wanting them to buy '16s, hence why I was able to snag a '15 brand new for $2400(thankyouverymuch), and why dealers didn't order as many this year,and Specialized didn't produce as many as last year.
Rumor Control has it that a 27.5+ is coming down the pipeline-shocking, eh?
  • 3 0
 @chize: why would he want one if the Stumpy has better geo?
  • 1 0
 edit
  • 14 0
 @bridgermurray: There's also no houses to rent in all of Tuscany either.
  • 3 0
 I guess it's a compliment to the company that they sold something out, no? Big Grin
  • 2 0
 @robrobideau: Couldn't agree more !
  • 6 0
 @the-one1: "In all of Tuscany?! I wonder?!
But are you telling me that there is not one house to rent in all of Tuscany?!"
  • 2 0
 @bridgermurray: I've got one for sale., it's 2 months old and you'll have to come to Australia to get it.!! Wink it's too big for jared
  • 2 0
 @pweb79: there is no such thing as too big bike these days. 975 reach? Bring it on
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: haha true.! Well I only live 2 hours down the road from jared if he's interested.?? @jaredgraves
  • 2 0
 @jclnv: geo tables don't tell you everything about how a bike is going to ride. It sounds like Graves wanted to test one and Spec weren't able to find one for him.
  • 2 0
 @bridgermurray: they're talking SWORKS
  • 2 0
 @bridgermurray: for their TOP enduro racer, no less...i bet curtis keene has a couple
  • 2 0
 @chize: Rubbish. That Stumpy with a Lyrik is slacker than an Enduro, rear centre is longer, BB is lower.
  • 1 0
 @jclnv: and the E29 has more travel, in some cases that might be more of an advantage than better geo. The point is that Spec should be able to come up with a bike for their top rider to test
  • 16 16
 @chize: Can we run a poll on which bike should Jared Graves chose?
- Stumpy
- Enduro 29
- Enduro 650B
- undecided, Jared knows what he is doing
- Jared should quit Specialized and go back to Yeti
- Enduro should be ridden blind and uphills should be timed too. EWS not a real Enduro
- I feel like I want to masturbate in Batman suit tonight, but if Taylor Swift walked into the room naked and wanted to have sex with me, I'd ask her for anal stimulation due to my male insecurities, manifesting themselves by telling World Champions what to ride .
  • 3 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I not sure why you are being a douche. I know Graves knows what he is doing and i'm not saying he should ride. I'm just saying the article makes it sound like that Graves wanted to test an E29 bike and i'm surprised his sponsor couldn't get him one.

let me know if you wanna borrow the batman suit sometime
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Wow that escalated quickly!
  • 2 1
 I'm pretty sure there was some sarcasm in Waki's comment... I thought it was kind of funny!
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: Yeah, I run a 650B Pergatory Butcher combo tubeless at sub 20psi. No issues for me. But I accept that my relatively bollockless riding style allows me to without them rolling off.
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Did you mean Bat cave Stimulation? As in " Robin have a look at my Bat cave situation! "
  • 3 0
 @justincs: no, I meant a Batman suit, a tie and a door handle. Apparently it is said to give the ultimate male orgasm

@chize sorry for sounding like a douche-turd, no hard feelings, I just tried to be funny. To myself...
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Michael hutchence like a satsuma up his garySmile
  • 2 0
 I agree it probably isn't what sponsors would like to see, but how nice is it for consumers to read some real feedback?!
  • 3 0
 They have a redesign of the Enduro coming out in a few weeks, so I bet that Specialized didn't want to have it plastered on the front of PB before they announced it.
  • 57 4
 [quoted above: On big courses like La Thuile, Graves runs 200-millimeter rotors on both ends ]

Oxymoron why neither Troy or Jared or Specialised didnt want the Enduro 275 for the big course!

Well I guess the results will tell us at the end and if marketing won the day, rider won the day, or rider and correct package won the day!

Personally Id like to see Enduro brought back to 2013 setup, one bike for entire season, stickers on frames forks rims etc, to show no big budget cheating, stop using the EWS like a marketing tool and get back to honest Enduro riding!

Blind courses no practice for days and days, destroying local trails and giving pros advantages, one course walk then race, one bike for season or bike type .

Tracey Mosely used a 29er correct me if I wrong for all 3 of her championships and didnt mess with the perfect ingrediance for her! Proves it imo!

EWS dont become the UCI........you r fast going along that trail....!
  • 5 1
 Plus 100!!!! They are loosing what made Enduro so great...
  • 5 0
 Well said, I would also like to see riders not getting any support on e they leave the start ramp, none of this ride up, race down back to the pits for food, drink and more tinkering. It's supposed to be like a days ride racing the downs, it's in danger of getting too much like a multi downhill race with bikes and riders fettled betweenot each one
  • 12 4
 Someone has never given single thought what it takes to organize an Enduro race and hasn't even raced ooooone... oh those core values... Mountain biking used to be such a pristine sport, Enduro riders used to be noble like Elves of Lothlorien
  • 3 0
 "Tracey Mosely used a 29er correct me if I wrong for all 3 of her championships and didnt mess with the perfect ingrediance for her! Proves it imo! "

A model trek has now dropped!
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: So your saying what it takes to organize an Enduro race is racers with Vans full of bikes/frames so they are able to pick and choose the precise weapon, suspension component, wheelset, tire combo, bar, stem, brake set up, etc. etc.

Cause the answer is "NO" that's not what it takes... that doesn't have anything to do with organizing a race and I'm not sure what point you were trying to make. Maybe you replied to the wrong thread?

IMO, what attracted people to Enduro racing was that it was racing that was most like the riding most of us do. One bike, ride up to ride down. Don't go back and to the van after each lap and change out shocks or wheels or tires OR Bikes.... You run what you brung...
  • 52 3
 "To be honest, they [the aluminum Renthal bars] were the only ones we had in the van." Grave's race writeups for Yeti were some of the most detailed I've ever read from any racer. It was clear he thought through every angle and had reasons for everything he did on his bikes. It's almost painful to read this Frown

I miss Graves + Yeti.
  • 25 0
 Those race journals were gold for all the setup nerds.
  • 3 0
 He used to run more psi at both tires with 27,5 Yeti setup also.
  • 8 1
 Yes, Graves was usually really picky and focused on details concerning his bikes set-ups.
This time it gives the impression that he is not really 100% involved in his set-up, like not the good shock, not the good link, last minute bar fix, etc...
La Thuile is moreover one of the steepest EWS event and he his running a trail bike instead of more downhill oriented bike like most of its competitors.
I remember Anneke Beerten telling she was asked by specialized to run the enduro 29 instead of the 27.5. I wonder if there is the same kind of pressure on Graves to run the stumpjumper given the incoming release of next-gen enduro.
  • 13 5
 @gnralized - Pinkbike community is well aware of the Specialized ways to destroy world class athletes in order to earn millions of dollars by litigation. Top riders join that team because they know that winning on a Specialized is the greatest achievement in this sport, it is being the winner of all winners. It is like winning 3 gold medals at Olympics, or summiting K2 in winter.
  • 30 0
 I suspect Jared's bike is rocking a bit more than 135mm travel at the rear (similar leverage ratio, the 55mm travel SuperDeluxe is probably putting out 140-145mm travel).

Also, it really sounds like the Guide RE brakes (originally eBike marketed, but a Guide R lever set paired with Code calipers) is the hot ticket, and that SRAM will likely come out with the high end version of that brake (RSC Lever set, top end Code calipers, titanium/carbon hardware as appropriate) and brand them Code Ultimates or something.

This is actually a pretty cool bike check to me.
  • 33 0
 This seems like an article that is written honestly and not sucking up to every vendor out there. Good for them.
  • 13 3
 Specialized has no Enduro 29'ers left ?
Ruh Roh.
I was thinking up picking up a spare frame before they come out with the new one as a mini DH bike. Not that I know anything but I strongly suspect the new Enduro will be a mini-DH sled style "Enduro" race bike, rather than the super aggressive trail slayer/Enduro bike it is now.
  • 9 7
 the current enduro 29er is much too trail oriented to be a min-dh bike
  • 4 0
 Saw this as well... is the enduro 29er no more? Seems like an odd decision with the recent spurt of long legged 29ers.
  • 9 0
 Likely they aren't going to order more in from overseas because the 2017 enduro should be dropping soon. Actually surprised it hasn't yet.
  • 4 1
 @jfkusa: But even if that was the case, surely they could get one of their top riders a prototype? It would make for great advertising at least.
  • 2 0
 @tsheep: They're supposedly releasing a new model next month, so I think all the old inventory is sold out.
  • 4 0
 @tsheep: Nah, makes sense. Specialized usually run on 3 year model cycles, so they're likely about to launch a new Enduro 29er platform, and are selling down the stock they have.
  • 4 1
 Nooo, don't believe everything you read. Just laying the ground for the new Enduro next month. Of course there are a ton of Enduro Frames left, and sure as hell they could find one for their Rider. But, Hey why are they making a point of there being no more? Get ppl speculating. Create Buzz.


So just tell us about the new Bike already! This new Bike needs to kick YT, SC, and all the other pretenders square in the nuts, and grab back that top Enduro weapon crown.
  • 10 2
 Two approaches to preventing flats:

1. Pro Core which costs US$230/ C$300 and weighs a pound.
2. ghetto tubeless probably costs nothing if you mooch some dead tubes at the bike park "dead tubes and tyres" bin and weighs 1/4 pound.

I wonder which system works best?
  • 5 1
 Ghetto has been working pretty well for me for the last 6 years. I've got 4 dings in my rear rim and no burps or pinch flats.
  • 6 0
 Have you tried Procore? I got a few rides in on mines and they make your tires and suspension feel more consistent. It's hard to describe, but the burp-prevention with your favourite sub-30psi tire pressure is also a killer feature
  • 3 0
 @theminsta: Nope, sorry too poor for that. I was running my tyres down to 18-19 PSI on 30mm internal rims without any problems. The weight must be killer tho.
  • 1 0
 I wonder how many people would ride them if it only cost something like C$80 per wheel.
  • 4 12
flag nzandyb (Jul 14, 2016 at 15:15) (Below Threshold)
 Correction, ghetto tubeless adds around 1/4 pound per wheel... cut up a tube and weigh it. Anyhow, Next time you're doing the dirty with the Mrs why don't you suggest an old Snickers wrapper? It costs nothing and weighs a whole lot less than what Trojan makes!
  • 3 1
 Sadly I checked a couple days ago for the price of pro core and it was $400 Canadian, from orange distributing which is one of the largest Schwable distributors in Canada.
  • 1 0
 imagine doing a double layer ghetto tubeless set up? ????
  • 2 1
 Running ghetto tubeless to prevent getting flats from pinching the entire tire doesn't work.

I've was running ghetto tubeless for two years and those "pinching the entire tire" Graves described are exactly the only kind of flats I kept getting.
  • 1 0
 @HpSauce: MEC undercuts everyone in the Canadian cycling business. $400 is what the distributor suggests we sell it at so we can make money after covering for the cost of staff, shipping, operating expenses etc. MEC sells stuff so cheap we don't even bother stocking certain items (certain lubes) since they sell them for under what our cost is. Comparing MEC to any small shop is like comparing CRC to a small shop. Apples to oranges.
  • 6 1
 @TBLeldarado: Oh, sorry. I thought you wanted to buy a Procore, so I was trying to be helpful by offering you a more affordable suggestion/option.

I didn't realize you were just here to bitch about high prices and low prices and the supplies.
My bad, ignore me & carry on.
  • 1 4
 @HpSauce: sorry that I wasn't trying to insult you and was just stating how MEC is able to sell everything cheaper than pretty much every other bicycle retailer in Canada.

I didn't realize you were just being an ignorant f*ck.
My bad.
  • 1 1
 @HpSauce: also sorry that I work in a large shop so I don't appreciate large companies under cutting local business.
  • 1 1
 Local***** not large haha
  • 11 6
 I'm so convienced that specialized will force their riders to ride what model thinks that need more promotion at the time being. They have done it with Mitch in the past and do it again now. Maybe it's written in their athlets contracts or something...
  • 6 1
 I really like reading articles about detailed bike setup - seems like there isn't much of this and wish there was. I know an elite pro typically has a really unique setup, but it is interesting none the less. That said, neither of their setups sound all that odd or unusual. Dig it.
  • 7 3
 So... It doesn't really sound like Big S is taking this Monster team that serious with the Gravity Republic team onboard. No E29s. Only one bar in the van. Haven't ridden this frame yet. All SRAM boys will be on Eagle, here's Troy on 11spd.

I thought Graves rode an E29 in one of the first races or press releases he did with Specialized? Also didn't realize he was still on TLD?
  • 4 1
 Here we go, "29ers are the best: electric boogaloo". With 29ers getting better as all-mountain bikes, maybe the backlash on 650b is coming. On the other hand, maybe I can pick up a cheap 650b carbon wheelset in the future :-)
  • 5 4
 Remember that all of the top DH and nearly all of the top Enduro racers are "still" riding 650b.
  • 8 2
 @ryan83: I think that we may be in the cusp of 29ers becoming the "it" bike for Enduro. Certainly makes sense for some tracks I'd imagine, and specially given how capable some of those bikes are.
  • 3 0
 When they say "code calipers and guide levers for feel". Which is something I've read on PB often, mostly during PIt BIts, are they saying they're running a full code setup and literally just replacing the lever with a guide lever for they are running a guide lever/res and a code caliper?
  • 3 0
 Yes exactly. The Code callipers deal with heat better due to the larger volume and mass to dissipate the heat compared to the Guide callipers. Although the new guide callipers coming out have a larger air gap and a thing to dissipate heat to improve them, but to deal with heat nothing beats adding mass to the calliper in the way of more fluid and more material for the heat to travel through. Standard Guide callipers can suddenly get a firm lever if you don't fully release the lever occasionally, admittedly to get the normal feel back just releasing and reapplying works..

The Guide levers with the swing link however push the pads on the rotor faster before then increasing the lever ratio through braking, this gives a nicer feel than the standard levers (this feature is only in RS and RSC levers, not the R). Also in the guide there's a larger fluid reservoir, for a while it was all about cutting weight, then it came at the expense of fluid volume, they are going back to increasing the volume to allow the brake to self adjust better.
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 "to bleed them and doing pad advances" I'd like to ask about this one, how to do it? Let the pistons come out, then install a narrower than standard bleed block and bleed the brakes?
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 I take my wheel out and pull the lever, this forces the pistons to set out more so the pads end up being closer to the rim. I then bleed the brakes to fill up the fluid. you can't push the pistons back in once you add more fluid.
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 Or you use verniers to measure the pad/rotor width when your brakes are feeling perfect after wearing in a new set of pads and then shave down a bleed block to match that width. Then you have your ideal set up template.

Also have a re-usable zip-tie so you can have the levers "pulled in" to the rider's ideal 'bite' position then do a full bleed using lots of fluid to force any air out on the caliper/ line and master cylinder.

If you are a pro and have full support this kind of thing is pretty standard (ie the perfect bleed to how the rider prefers the brakes set up).

A good shop mechanic will no doubt have his tricks to achieve the same result if you stop for long enough to ask them to do it (and bring beer). I know the boys at Fanatyk Co in Whistler are pretty good when it comes to setting up brakes to the rider-customer's ideal feel.
  • 5 1
 Go the ghetttto ! Good to see so many WC DH boys giving the EWS a spin Pretty keen to see how they go, especially after Sam Hills last result !
  • 4 0
 Seems like there are a few guys from the DH circuit sticking around for this Enduro event. Should be interesting to see how Sam and Troy place.
  • 4 0
 Troy has done a few enduro's back here in Aus and from memory has only lost to the likes of Connor and Graves. I'd be putting money on a top 10 result. Call it wishful thinking if you please ????
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 @mik91: secretly I was to see the guys who race DH just smash the shit outta Graves, Rude, and all the other "endure" riders
  • 3 0
 @Pauldenney: bad comparison picking two guys with a strong dh background.... Rude is ex jnr dh champ and graves has podiumed a dh world champs with a long list of great WC dh results.
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 Specialized is all sold out of the Enduro 29, which is kinda funny. I work for a specialized dealer and we can check the stock of what specialized has and they've been completely out of stock of the 29 for over a month now as far as i know and from what i could see in the specialized stock lists
  • 6 0
 How tall is Troy? Amazed to see he's riding a large.
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 That's what I was thinking. Wouldn't have thought he was more than 5'6" from watching World Cup DH. But a large, and that post???
  • 2 0
 Had the same thought! Google says he's 1.67 m tall (~5' 6"). By normal sizing guidelines he'd be questionable for a medium.
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 @toooldtodieyoung: well applying pro athlete measurement scales, it probably means he's 5'2".
  • 6 0
 Anyway, Sam Hill ils going to kick their ass on flats and aloy frame.
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 Piked my 650 Stumpy but with the Lyric it would be around a 66deg HA and a little longer WB and higher at the BB. The 650 is a fun ride for sure with its 420mm rear tri, good reach and med wheel base it shreds the inside line all the time. Way more fun than a 29 Enduro, not as fast but more feeling of the backsides of transitions and stronger wheels. Id like to know the recipe those guys have in their rear dampers to help with keeping the rear end glued to the ground. Good luck to them this weekend, keep it pinned fellas.
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 Does anyone else find the Guide/Code combo to be a brake that is unparalleled in its inability to slow a bike down? I bought a Demo recently and the brakes are actually incapable of stopping the bike.
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 Enough pros in gravity racing ate running it, it's arguably the best deal out there (in parallel with XTR levers on Saint calipers) from the high volume brands.
I really hope we see a Code Ultimate brake, which is the guide ultimate lever package as well as a guide RE-SC which would be the guide RE (e Bike marketed Guide R lever, Code caliper brake) with the RSC or RS lever package.
  • 2 0
 @tehllama: fair point about the pro riders but who is to say they are to the same design as production parts? My only other reference is the Saint setup I had before which seemed to have unlimited power.

I'm tempted to have a play with it and see if I can improve the power through modifying the lever.
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 @ermoldaker: I think there are two unlimited funds targets for brakes. One is maximum modulation and so so much power on offer that long DH runs are fine. SRAM's Answer: Code Ultimate (or at least Guide Ultimate Levers on Code calipers - which is what most every SRAM sponsored pro gravity rider prefers).
The other one is great modulation, good power, and light weight. SRAMnswer: Level Ultimate.

With the high volume sales action, and the fact that the RS levers haven't changed over time, for a fatarse like myself, running Guide RS levers on Code calipers sounds like 'the' answer, particularly if I'm on a frame which only accepts 180mm rotors out back.
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 @tehllama: if you want that combination then you can have mine for free - they're only going in the bin otherwise.
  • 2 0
 I've been on ghetto tubeless as long as I remember, but have always trimmed it right back to the tyre/rim interface. Any idea why Graves has left so much exposed? I can't really see how that would buffer against pinch flats unless he has practically rolled his the off the rim... Would it add sidewall protection, etc?

Not that I'd do it of course, because it looks silly and my friends would laugh at me... ;-)
  • 4 0
 New liquid enduro-specific in the water bottle to save weight, called "A.I.R"
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 I wonder how much of this choice is driven by the lower BB on the SJ?

I have an Enduro 29er. Specialized purposefully dumbed down the geo on the bike, which is a real shame.
  • 2 1
 Could. Not. Agree. More. If the E29 had a lower bb and slacker front end, it really would be the killer mountain slayer they wanted it to be. I have an offset bushing, and that helps, but they are sold out of the 650b shock yokes for the time being. I really want to put one on mine.
  • 7 1
 I rode a customers s-works enduro 29 with an offset shock bushing a concentric bottom bracket (to lower the bb) and ohlins rxf front and ttx rear, felt miles apart from stock! Felt like a mini dh bike! Its a shame specialized dont bring the geo of the evo 650 to the 29! Theres a new enduro being released soon with a demo style single sided shock cradle and updated fsr so watch this space!
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 And it had a 650 link
  • 1 1
 @hamncheez:

Are you recommending buying a Stumpjumper 27.5 yoke and putting it on an Epic 29 for a lower BB, and slacker HTA?

If so, cool idea. But if they are sold out, then apparently I am the last to know......
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 @hellanorcal: if you put a 650 enduro yoke on a 29 enduro it will slacken the HA and lower the BB but it will void ur warranty
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 @hamncheez: get the yoke,it dose make a differance.
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 @studers: the single sided shock cradle was a photoshop fan-made mockup.
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 @studers: Did they remove the spherical bearing in the TTX to get the offset in there?
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 @studers: I guess the problem is the Enduro Evo has 180mm of travel, so there are probably limits on how much you can slacken a shorter travel. I think.
The single sided Enduro 'prototype' is a fake. I honestly can't see them moving too far from the current X frame, it's become a distinguishing feature.
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: I have that link and offset bushings - the improvement is amazing. Best $35 I ever spent. It also makes me think that Specialized doesn't get bike geometry.
  • 1 0
 @aireeek: How did you get one for $35?
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: I have one you can have for $50.
  • 1 0
 @aireeek: maybe the new one will be more your liking?
  • 2 1
 @jaydawg69: I hope so. I think Specialized has great manufacturing. They have fallen behind on design though, so we'll see if they can catch up with the next enduro.
  • 1 1
 @bsavery: yeah bit of a shame, i love the idea of spherical bearings but it made the geo better so i guess its a worthy trade off
  • 1 0
 @hamncheez: that was how much my shop charged me to order one in.
  • 3 0
 Best part of my day was reading that Brosnan rides a 32t front ring on his 27.5er-- just like a lot of us!
  • 1 0
 They are racing other bikes because they are alteady up to speed on the new enduros that are beeing anounved 14 of august.that's why graves will only ride the stumpy until then
  • 1 1
 On the pic that has this caption under it, "SRAM Guide brake levers well inboard, powering Code calipers.", there a pic of some ol' grey colored bike. They inserted the wrong pic right or am I missing something? That's and Orange brand bike isn't it?
  • 3 0
 No Enduro for the enduro race? I wonder what bike they would choose for a stump jumping competition. Or to demo something.
  • 1 1
 150mm travel for 650b on Brosnan bike? Doubt it. On my Stumpy i put a 26" Stumpy EVO Monarch wich has 195mm eye to eye as opposed to the stock 197, and 51mm stroke as opposed to 47mm stock 2016 bike. That gives me 332 mm BB height and roughly 162mm of rear travel. And with a 160mm Pike it has 65 HA. If i did it i really think that the pros have Endurified thair Stumpys also. Smile
  • 3 0
 Is squating behind your bike the new hype? Even Hill is doing it...
  • 5 3
 I really hope Graves doesn't get injured when his cranks inevitably explode.
  • 3 0
 170mm fork on a Stumpy. Whoa.
  • 2 1
 Too lazy to read all of the comments:
I've noticed that most of the top athletes are using Code calipers. I've been itching to know why that is.
  • 1 0
 The only unanswered question was; "Why he chose a Stumpjumper over the Specialized Enduro 650?"

When they are ready they can come play with the Big Boys! #E29er. Lol.
  • 15 12
 OMG 29er!!!!1!!!!!
  • 28 7
 Omg! Dickhead!
  • 10 3
 @stumpymidget: I just upped propped you for fun.
  • 11 1
 It was only said for fun. Isn't that the whole reason we do the whole two wheeled pedally thing?
  • 1 2
 Horses for courses. The concept has been around a long time..
  • 3 1
 totes adorbs!
  • 1 0
 @WayneParsons: omg lolz!!!!!
  • 1 0
 he won a WC on a trailbike in '13. This track prob calls for a 29er
  • 1 0
 "at EWS round No. 5 in Aspen-Snowmass, Colorado. Graves was on fire all weekend, winning five of six stages" - on a stumpjumper 29. ....totes adorbs
  • 4 2
 Graves will fly on that thing.
  • 1 0
 Troy need to take a file to that water bottle. But at least it's not on the bottom of the downtube...
  • 5 2
 Where is Curtis ?
  • 1 0
 Up at the front on a proper bike. Enduro 650 with a coil shock. Finished 6th overall
  • 1 1
 Wow, awesome bikes by two of the best. So, anyhow, what why there isn't a EWS in the Ranger District of the Pisgah National Forest in NC of the USA?.....hhhhmmm....
  • 2 0
 I love Pisgah too, but my guess is they couldn't come up with long enough stages. Just not enough elevation, though you could string together some amazing downhills. But also a lot lot of climbing to get back up
  • 1 0
 Brosnan second in the world rankings?
Hart second in the world cup standings?
  • 1 0
 Yeah, I looked up the UCI rankings to be sure, 'cause I thought Brosnan was third.
  • 1 0
 As far as I am aware, the world rankings and world cup standings are separate.
  • 2 1
 How does Troy get this bottle out?
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 It's a side load cage. The bottle pops out the side, not the top.
  • 1 0
 @matmattmatthew: thanks mate. did not realize that.
  • 2 1
 Ghetto tubeless? That dependable tubeless Specialized tires...
  • 1 0
 Ghetto tubeless is the truth!!
  • 2 1
 good to see Gravesy likes Tacos!
  • 2 1
 anyone know Graves frame size on stumpy29?
  • 2 1
 Jared - I got a 26er S works enduro for you to borrow if you want...
  • 2 1
 Not now. Not ever.
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 Isn't Danny Hart in 2nd place by 3 points?
  • 3 1
 Wrong article
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 Enjoyed that ta!
  • 1 0
 Great article!!
  • 1 0
 Thanks for the read !
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 Chain guides are back!
  • 4 5
 Graves using SRAM eagle ??? HAHAHAHAHAGAGAHA like graves needed 50 T ?
  • 2 1
 More like an excuse to run a 38t chain ring.
  • 2 0
 @tehllama: sorry i wanted to put +1 but failed. Too stoned sory
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