Review: TRP Slate T4 Brakes

May 21, 2018
by Daniel Sapp  


TRP Brakes have a history steeped in racing. Their highly sought after cyclocross brakes, popular among racers way back before disc brakes were even a thing on drop bar bikes, were some of the best out there. Frankly, they were some of the only brakes that worked at all in poor conditions, and they chalked up a slew of victories over the years.

More recently, TRP has increased their focus on mountain bikes. With the signing of Aaron Gwin and others, the company is pouring resources into developing brakes that can compete with the likes of Shimano and SRAM, giving riders an additional option at several different price points.

TRP Slate T4 Details
• 4-piston trail/all mountain brake
• Mineral oil system
• 160, 180, 203mm rotor options
• I-Spec B, I-Spec II (XT, XTR) and Matchmaker compatible with TRP adapter
• Weight: 306g. lever, hose, caliper (single)
• MSRP: $119.99 USD (per brake)
www.trpcycling.com
TRP's Slate T4 brake is their 4-piston all mountain/trail offering, which sells for $119.99 USD/wheel. In addition to being available at retailers and from TRP's website, it is spec'd as OEM on a number of bikes from brands ranging from Specialized to Fuji.

The Slate T4 paired with a 180mm TRP-29 rotor.
The reach adjust on the T4 isn't fancy but it's tool-free and it works.


Details / Installation

According to TRP, the Slate T4 was designed to be affordable and low maintenance. At $119.99, it certainly falls into the range of more affordable brakes. As far as maintenance goes, a lot of the design seems to have simplicity in mind. The brake ships with TRP's own semi-metallic pads, but TRP also makes a metallic pad, and the 4-pot brake is cross-compatible with Shimano Saint and Zee pads. The T4 also uses mineral oil, which is much friendlier on skin and paint than DOT fluid. The bleed fittings are also the same as Shimano, so you won't need an all new bleed kit, although the brake does use a TRP specific olive and barb.

TRP sells the brakes without rotors, allowing users to choose their own size and type per desired application. They recommend using their own rotors, although, according to TRP, most other major brands will work as well.

The 4-piston brake uses two different size pistons. The idea behind it is to create an effect similar to "toeing-in" a rim brake. Having the pads contact the rotor at a different speed helps create a bit more of a gentle actuation. TRP compares it to the way someone tunes a spring rate in suspension, allowing the braking power to essentially ramp up before being full on and giving a little more modulation rather than an "off-on" feel.

The body of the T4 was designed before Gwin came on to the TRP team. The lever, however, is the same as the Quadiem G-Spec, which was designed with input from Gwin and has a tool-free reach adjustment.

I had the pleasure of doing a classic dirt parking lot set-up with these brakes the first time I rode them, with limited resources to make things "proper." The system comes pre-bled, which is nice, but the lines were long so I needed to shorten them a good bit. I cut them down at the lever, put on a new olive and barb, and did a basic lever bleed just as you do with a Shimano brake. The set up felt solid pretty quickly and the biggest hiccup was struggling to find enough zap straps to secure the hose to the frame. For rotors, I chose to run TRP's 180mm TRP-29.


The lever on the T4 was designed with input from Aaron Gwin. It's large compared to SRAM or Shimano's brakes but provides a good amount of leverage and modulation.
The T4's 4-piston design works with TRP's pads but also Shimano's Saint and Zee stoppers, with or without fins.


Performance

At first, I was skeptical of these brakes. The lever initially felt bulky compared to a Shimano or SRAM Guide and it looked very much like a Tektro (they are made in the same factory, after all) but with reach adjust and a better caliper. As soon as I finished bleeding the lever, my opinion started to evolve.

The brakes felt very solid, with no sponginess or softness to speak of. The lever initially felt a little overbuilt, but, once I adjusted the reach to my liking, it was quite comfortable. It does feel a bit more like a moto lever than its smaller SRAM or Shimano counterparts, but that's ok, it feels powerful and offers a little more leverage, which isn't a bad thing in my mind.

On the trail, the brakes performed flawlessly. The power was consistent at all times and the only hint of fade I experienced occurred at the end of very long and sustained descents, places where brakes twice as expensive would show a little fade as well. I rode the brakes in wet, dry, warm, and cold conditions and felt that at all times I had plenty of power and consistent, predictable braking. As a XC or trail option, the brake seems to hit the mark. However, on a DH bike, I would likely opt for a little bit more power. The T4 could get the job done, but it may be a little underpowered if you're consistently riding sustained higher speed descents or doing top to bottom bike park laps day in and day out.

As far as the modulation goes, I'd place the T4 between a Shimano Zee and SRAM Guide. The T4 has a bit of the feel of the gradual engagement that SRAM Guides tend to have, crossed with the strong initial grab that Shimano brakes deliver. Where some brakes can get inconsistent due to conditions or heat, the T4's stayed the same, time and time again for several months on end. Aesthetically, I don't think the Slate T4 is the best looking brake out there, but although it may not appear as refined as some of its high end rivals, its performance was commendable, delivering predictable power in all conditions.



Pinkbike's Take
bigquotesFor the price, the Slate T4 brakes perform at or above the level of the competition, with easy setup, along with excellent consistency and reliability. Looking to upgrade your current setup without breaking the bank? These four-piston stoppers are well worth the money. Daniel Sapp









110 Comments

  • + 128
 'Comes from the same factory as Tektro,' Shocking to think that Tektro Racing Products would be made in the same place as Tektro, truly shocking.
  • + 41
 Different branding, different product line...maybe not shocking but also not overly obvious to everyone.
  • - 12
flag Asmodai (May 21, 2018 at 8:45) (Below Threshold)
 that's not always the case it's a different brand
  • + 4
 @danielsapp: Fair enough, but it is more or less the same as Avid/SRAM, being different brands within the same overarching company.
  • + 10
 @danielsapp: According to this video the budget Tektro stuff is made in a separate factory in China where as the TRP and other high end stuff are made at Tektro's factory in Taiwan. youtu.be/ThJR_RXbvZA
  • + 3
 Came down here to say just this. Same brand the same way Avid brakes are Sram brakes are the same.
  • - 6
flag sdiz (May 21, 2018 at 9:08) (Below Threshold)
 Dude, just stop. This isn't a suspension review so your pun is not good. Hopefully my dislike of your comment will fade before it gets pumped up
  • + 9
 @sdiz: brakes my heart he went for a suspension pun
  • + 18
 It's been seven days without puns, that makes one weak
  • + 5
 They look almost identical to my Shimano XT's... can't just be my eyes surely?
  • + 14
 @BeardlessMarinRider: I know, right? When will the industry move away from 'master cylinder, reservoir, lever blade, hose, caliper' designs? We need more variation in our brake aesthetics, even at the cost of performance!
  • + 1
 @YouHadMeAtDrugs: Yeah man, I for one want grip shifts instead of levers and drums in the hubs. I'm so sick of these repetitive solutions.
  • + 4
 @unclemuscles: #bringbackdrumbrakes
  • + 1
 @BeardlessMarinRider: i think you might have bad eyesight. Although it is a brake and all brakes do look similar
  • + 4
 TRP = Tektro Racing Products
  • - 1
 Give me such a brake guys... These puns code be so much better.
  • + 2
 Puns are the Elixir of life
  • + 2
 I'm an Avid fan of these puns
  • + 2
 CST tires, the brand everyone seems to make fun of is the same brand that makes Maxxis which everyone loves. My old beater bike has tektro hydraulic brakes and never had any issues with them. Far more reliable than my Avid juicy brakes which I finally and happily got rid of.
  • - 1
 @Rocky-Urban: Well there's more to a tyre than where it is made... if you can't tell the difference between a tyre with CST logo and Maxxis logo, you're in the wrong sport.
  • + 3
 @Fix-the-Spade: I'd say it is different. SRAM is basically a collection of brands acquired by this consortium whereas TRP is a different branding from the huge Tektro brake manufacturers. TRP is more like what Lexus is for Toyota.
  • + 41
 mineral oil: yes.
  • - 21
flag JustinVP (May 21, 2018 at 11:28) (Below Threshold)
 Why? You like poor performance on long runs?
  • + 11
 @JustinVP: Why? You like toxic DOT fluid?
  • + 4
 @JustinVP: not sure about that part, but the price is nice. and my front cable got smashed on a crash a few years ago though I didn't realize it...the next time I used my front brake DOT fluid sprayed my throat and burned like heck. That's the 2 main reasons.
  • + 6
 @preach: you should really do a full bike check after a crash if my brake suddenly gave out getting a little dot3 on me is the least of my worries. The stuff is really not that toxic I’ve gotten it on my skin/face for years wipe it off and your good to go. It’s not acid.
  • - 8
flag Gasket-Jeff (May 21, 2018 at 20:04) (Below Threshold)
 @JustinVP: dot preforms differently with different ambiant temp. Notice all the guide brakes they lock up on hot days? Never seen that with a baby oil brake
  • + 2
 @Gasket-Jeff: all fluids and gasses preform differently dependent on temp. I think your conflating the fluid verses the brake system I’ve had bad results and good results with both I’ve yet to hear people saying that mineral oil lasts longer than dot though many people live in cold temps so it may be more regional. I think most disk brakes work very well so maybe my requirements are lower than others. I haven’t had many problems with avids or formulas both dot systems. Depends on how you care for them. I’m not defending the guide haven’t ridden them but with all the complaints towards the juices I feel like people don’t know how to bleed or set up their brakes.
  • + 4
 @pierson100:
It’s designed to be a brake fluid. The whole world agrees upon its ability to do the job.
Ya it’s a chemical.
Don’t drink it.
  • + 2
 @jflb: wait I’m not supposed to drink it I thought it would give me better stopping power. Guess I should stop drinking the battery acid too probably doesn’t give me more power. And eating liquid color displays doesn’t give me better vision okay but I refuse to listen to the label on those silica packets I got with my shoes.
  • + 0
 @JustinVP: Do you use mineral oil as masturbation lubricant?
  • + 1
 @loganflores:

"The stuff is really not that toxic I’ve gotten it on my skin/face for years wipe it off and your good to go."

Said coal miners. And commercial building contractors. But yeah, do it your way.
  • + 23
 Thank you TRP, cross-compatible, that's rare these days! You guys are in the plus list!
  • + 17
 Your review mentioned “a little fade” and wanting “a little bit more power”. From an engineering standpoint (not opinion) rotor and wheel diameter have a major effect on those parameters. Those diameters are dependent on the end user, so should be considered somewhat independent of the brake caliper and lever.

Your review would have been more beneficial if you had tested larger rotors after discovering some deficiencies with the 180mm rotors on your test rig. Some may argue that rotor size is usage specific (180 for XC, 203 for DH) but the reality is, rotor size is situation specific (fast 200lb 29er rider on steep XC trails may require 200+mm rotors etc.)
  • + 8
 There is a trope in most reviews of "trail" components where reviewers have to mention the components not being quite good enough for the burly gnar gnar like the more expensive "dh" components. It's usually bullshit but not as bad as when they pretend a10mm difference in travel is a game changer for you "hard chargers" out there. I'm not mad about it. They need to fill space and I'd probably rather be out riding than coming up with super unique reviews every time.
  • + 2
 @WestwardHo: the travel thing always makes me chuckle too. In mountain biking UK magazine they do group tests and make similar comments about how a 170 bike is more capable in the chop than a 165 bike. Just... no!
  • + 4
 @WestwardHo: More travel doesn't necessarily equal a more capable bike... geometry and component spec have a huge part to play in the equation. I think it's a bigger issue when they tell us a 1.01mm difference in bottom bracket diameter is a game changer lol.
  • + 8
 How do these perform compared to the Quadiem? These weight 10g less and cost $30 less.
Also it would be good to also review these with metallic pads preferably Shimano since thats what we'd be putting in after the stock ones wear out.
  • + 2
 Or even, how are they different from the Quadiem? Same lever, same size pads. I guess the different sized pistons, but they act as if that helps them, not reduces power.
  • + 3
 I have the Quadiems and they're hands down my favorite brake I used so far. As has been stated many times by others, they have fantastic modulation, and I think excellent power as well. That said, I haven't used them on some crazy long descent where I'd be heavy on the brakes, but I would be surprised if they had any significant issue with fade. I should also mention I'm running them with Shimano metal pads, and they've great almost from the get go.

@Rubberelli - the Quadiem and T4 calipers & MCs look quite a bit different to me, but I'm not sure how that affects performance. Honestly, for 90% of the trail riding I do, the T4s would probably be more than adequate.
  • + 6
 I've own these brakes from 2016 - they came with my complete bike. In short: WAY better than expected! Seriously - you can take them in the mountains immediately after unboxing. Stock brake pads are ok but need some braking sessions to get to full power. Stock cables also ok.

As with all of my brakes I've switched to cables reinforced with stainless steel wire mesh and compared them to my other set: Saint M-810 calipers with Zee levers. I was amaized how close TRP is to Shimano. Yes, I can feel the difference in stopping power but it's 15% max wchih is very, very good for that price.

Major draw back is bleeding nipple - they're awfull! They're the worst, and I do mean THE WORST bleed nipples that I've ever came across! You need to be brain surgent to open them just 1* to let the oil flow without flooding your brake pads. This is one thing that needs serious improvement but you can get used to it.

Mine TRP are really good brakes and you can rely on them in every day life. Don't be scared of Tektro - TRP are in a different league that Auriga from few years back.
  • + 3
 Been loving my slates. Great feel while maintaining power. Ride 3000+ vert descents with these and have no issues with power loss, at least not enough to complain about. I could see putting quadiums on my ensure/park bike in the near future after my experience with these.

Only issue I have, and its picking nits, would be the detense free reach adjust. I love the adjustability, but after fidgeting with it to get it perfect I had worn off the thread lock so the lever adjust kept moving until I reapplied thread lock. No issues since.
  • + 2
 Installed a set last week on a friends bike and completely agree. The bleed screws are absolutely horrible. TRP bleed screws mimic those that are found in the car industry which in itself isnt bad; however, the machining is not tight enough on the threading to keep fluid from pouring past the screw and all over the caliper.

When you do get the brake set up I do like the modulation achieved from the two piston design they have.
  • + 4
 @DoubleHelix: I'm a huge fan of removing pads for the bleed for this reason. Unfortunately it takes longer but I hate ruining pads over a mistake.
  • + 7
 All I know is that if they are good enough for D Sapp, they are good enough for me.
  • + 2
 To be fair, that's a pretty low bar given your history with brakes that are largely decorative. Smile
  • + 1
 @jackalope: you're alive?
  • + 1
 @bizutch: Just barely. I fear his GI system may experience terminal failure before much longer. God help us all.
  • + 1
 @suboptimusprime: What are you rmonkeys doing here?
  • + 1
 @Bike078: Slummin...but mainly wanted to read what our boy D-Sapp had to say about, well, anything. But yeah, we need to get back so we can make fun of Sandwich's headset.
  • + 1
 @jackalope: "cause you installed it upside down"
  • + 2
 @bizutch: The headset was installed "Australian" style.
  • + 3
 I recently made the jump to TRP. I'm running the Quadiem's on my 650B Enduro and I'd like to say, I absolutely love these brakes. I have been on many brakes over the years. I race DH and Enduro when I can. I ride tons of local trails where I'm pedaling all day in the Colorado mountains. I'm not going to shit talk any other brand but, these are the most impressive brakes I have ridden yet.
  • + 1
 ^^
This...Same experience here. Would/will bang again.
  • + 2
 there should be more focus placed on M/C piston dia versus caliper piston size(s). this has a large effect on modulation, but the hard numbers go nearly unstated in every single review.
  • + 1
 I have a set of these. They are EXACTLY like Shimano when it comes to set up. I am very happy with them on my Intense Trail bike. the pads perform flawlessly in the wet. I would pair them with ICETEC or FREEZA rotors for the heat dissipation, but only because I'm really impressed with the new Shimano rotor ideas.
  • + 5
 Love my TRP Quad G-Spec's
  • + 2
 If you were in the market for upgrading Shimano Deores (stock Giant Trance 3 brakes) would you get these or XT's? I'm 215 with riding gear and just want more confidence in my brakes...
  • + 1
 I would get Guide/Code or Zee/Saint depending on budget and how you like your brakes to feel at the lever. Shimano stuff has more of and on/off feel, and Sram stuff has more modulation.
  • - 3
 @pacificnorthwet: But Shimano has more power. And they are way more reliable.
  • + 8
 Shimano XT won't give you tons more power and confidence than Deores. Deores are actually remarkably confident brakes. As a fellow Clydesdale - I ended up putting Zee brakes up front and XT out back. I went XT because they're just a little nicer than SLX in terms of adjustments and such, and were still really reasonable, and the Zees are all about raw power where you can actually use it.

If your Deore brakes don't fill you with confidence - did you give them a good bleed? Easy to do with the Shimano kit. Also, what size are your rotors? Have you considered upsizing?
  • + 3
 Also think about rotor size. If you have 160, go for 180. Deores perform very similarly to XT. Xt are lighter and often come with ice tech pads and ice tech rotors. Which actually do make a big difference. Also think about metalic pads. Stock Deores come with polymers and this also changes the peroramnce and feel dramatically (i am a fan of metalic).
  • + 1
 I've upsized the rear to match the 180 front, both IceTech rotors. I always hear everyone say how much they love their XT brakes and how much power they have. They're also very reasonable at around $180 a set online.

I have a buddy with XT brakes, I should probably ride his bike before I make the jump.

I have changed the pads, but you can't fit anything else my LBS said. I just checked, I have Shimano M396 brakes, not sure if that makes a difference or not...
  • + 1
 @NRZ: XT does have great power (for a two piston brake), but Saint/Zee have more. I'm 235 and even on a trail bike will always run 4 piston brakes with metalic pads and 200mm rotor up front. Going 4 pot from 2, or upping rotor size adds weight, but imo is worth it for big dudes or steep trails or both. Metallic pads offer more performance with no weight penalty, but they can be loud so most brakes come stock with organic pads. I would run those regardless of brake choice or rotor size.
  • + 1
 @NRZ: Oh, there is a huge difference between Shimano M396 and Deore or XT brakes. If I were you I would go for SLX,XT or ZEE given your weight. I ride XTs and I am super happy with them (especially with the ease of service and availability of parts). IMO they are best value for money (DEORE, SLX or XT). But I am only 170, so ZEE might be better. I don't know how you ride.
  • + 1
 @IluvRIDING: I've been reading as much as I can and it seems like SLX is XT without the adjustable lever, but the XT's are almost the same price (plus I run XT drivetrain, so there's the matching aspect). The Zee's do seem like the way to go but they're must more expensive. I ride singletrack, some gnarly stuff but nothing crazy in New England.

I hope one day to be under 200, but we all know how that goes, especially with a 7 month at home...
  • + 1
 @IluvRIDING: I always thought XT = Deore. Must have missed a memo. Will check Shimano website.
  • + 2
 @NRZ: I'm in CT and I run SLX (older and new) on both my XC type bikes, works great even though I'm a few pounds over 200. SLX still has the reach adjustment knob, XT also has some pad contact thing that doesn't seem to work from most of the reviews I've read. On my DH bike I currently have SRAM Guide R and I hate them, lever feel sucks and power isn't that great. They'll be switched out for Shimano ZEE soon enough.
  • + 3
 @MTB-Colada: There's Deore, and Deore XT, but everyone just shortens that last one to XT. Similar name, different product.
  • + 1
 Get some Curas and be done with it ! Big Grin
  • + 2
 @yzedf: I'm actually in CT as well. It doesn't seem like I could go wrong with either the SLX, XT or the Zee's. The SLX's and XT's are the same price online so I'd likely go XT, but the Zee's are another $70ish bucks and I'm not sure they're worth the upgrade. I'm not an enduro/DH rider at all. Just want to feel like I'm going to stop at some point...

The ispec from my XT shifter should integrate with the brake lever, but that just seems like an added bonus.
  • + 3
 @NRZ: If you are not a downhill/enduro rider at all, you can't go wrong with XT. I have XT M785 on two of my bikes (one pair over five years old) and they are still exeptional.
  • + 1
 So all "deore" brakes are the same. So xt is exactly the same power as slx and base seore. So basicly swap to metal pads with 203 ice tech rotors and your good. No need to buy the same brakes again
  • + 1
 @freeridejerk888: Not entirely, SLX and up use ceramic pistons for better heat control IIRC

Other than that, extra adjustment features as you move up the line.
  • + 2
 @NRZ: just be careful which version of ispec it is... I think there are 3 different versions out there!
  • + 2
 @yzedf: I ended up going with XT brakes, picking up the bike from the shop hopefully today or tomorrow. They were ispecII and if I wanted to use that I'd need an ispec shifter. Because I just bought the shifter 9 months ago I didn't see the point in upgrading until it needs it. I wish Shimano would make them backwards compatible with ispec and regular handlebar mount.
  • + 2
 @NRZ: sweet! I think you'll really like those.
  • + 2
 @NRZ: Enjoy the new brakes! You can always bump the front rotor up to 200 and swap out for metallic pads if you find you need a bit more power down the road.
  • + 1
 these are really good brakes at a very good price. Performance is on par with XT or Level brakes. They're designed to be XC/ TRail brakes not AM/FR/DH brakes. TRP has a product more to that application
  • + 0
 With 4 pistons, it seems weird that they don't hold up to downhill laps and stuff that well. My Shimano SLX 2 piston brakes held up fine at a DH park, so I'm not sure what the advantage of these would be. The point of 4 pistons is to be better for downhill laps, right?
  • + 13
 On a non-DH trail, the benefits of 4-pots are probably more modulation and less force required to brake. It's possible these brakes don't dissipate heat super well, making them perform poorly on a DH trail. Disclaimer: this is all conjecture - I have no idea what I'm talking about.
  • + 3
 On a non-DH trail, the benefits of 4-pots are probably more modulation and less force required to brake. It's possible these brakes don't dissipate heat super well, making them perform poorly on a DH trail.

But the review says they're under-powered. Which is weird because I thought adding an extra set of pistons was to add more power.

What's going on?!

Disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about.
  • + 8
 @Jvhowube: To clarify - They're hardly underpowered. They are designed as XC/Trail brakes and are great at that and then some. If you wanted to run lap after lap at the bike park, I would maybe opt for a brake designed more specifically for that purpose. Just as a Shimano Saint is going to be more appropriate than the SLX, or SRAM Codes more so than Levels in that situation.
  • + 2
 @Jvhowube: Modulation does not equal power. TRP sounds like they're brakes in general aren't the most powerful, but have the best modulation. These also aren't DH brakes, they have the quadiems for that. I agree it's strange to have a 4 pot brake being able to hold up to the downhill laps. I recall John Hall saying he never has to bleed Aaron Gwin's (TRP Quadiems I assume) brakes to get the feel he wants they seem to retain the feel much better than brakes he's used with Aaron in the past. So there's that also..
  • + 1
 @captainspaulding: Check out the g spec slate, they use ceramic pistons which definitely help dissipate the heat. Not a big difference in price between these and the g-spec version. I run the quadiems on my DH bike and the g-spec slate on my trail bike and couldn't be happier. It is true they are not the most powerful but they more than make up for it by feeling in control with modulation that I have never experienced before.
  • + 3
 It's not just the number of pistons that decide brake force but also the design of the master cylinder in the lever as well. There are a lot of trade offs and for optimal performance it's better if they design a product for a specific use rather than just putting a DH brake on a trail bike.
  • + 1
 @danielsapp: Did you try them with metallic pads? Or larger rotors? Comparing them to DH brakes is hard with this setup since I don't know if I've ever seen codes or saints on 180mm rotors.
  • + 1
 @mman1506: couldn’t say it better myself I wonder for those in the know what brake this compares to? they say it’s an Xc trail brake it’s not fair to compare an xc brake to a saint or code even if it’s four pot it wasn’t meant to do what a dh brake was meant too it do. in theory it’s a better modulating higher power xc brake.
  • + 1
 @loganflores: Compare it to other trail/enduro brakes... SLX, XT/XT 4pot, XTR Trail, Level, Guide, MT4/MT5/MT6, Cura. There's no shortage of brakes to compare it to.
  • + 3
 "The T4's 4-piston design works with TRP's pads but also Shimano's Saint and Zee stoppers, with or without fins"... SOLD!
  • + 0
 I think a lot of potential customers are skeptical about TRP brakes because they think 'Gwin is one of the fastest guys out there he barely touches his brakes.' I have no experience with hydraulic disc brake systems from TRP before Gwin got involved but I will say they are the real deal, at an awesome price.
  • + 2
 Well since Shimano completely shit the bed, it's a good time for new stoppers. Hmm... Magura trail, Slate?
  • + 1
 I might grab one of these for my DJ, or a set should my Deores or XTs on my other two bikes blow up. Cheap and Reliable? Sign me up.
  • + 1
 The Test appeared not quite an hour ago and look at the many comments. Seems a lot of folks (like ) haven't got all that much more to do. LOL
  • + 1
 Pricing seems good, but that reach adjust knob looks like an accident waiting to happen. Bonus points for mineral oil and cross compatibility on the pads.
  • + 1
 Can an engineer tell me why the brake is not in front of the stanchions on forks? Seems like pull is better than push for stability.
  • + 1
 When braking a forwards rolling wheel, a typical PM type caliper (so I don't mean that new Hope standard) pushes against the mount. This is a large, flat and stable interface, wouldn't call it unstable. The bolts aren't loaded that much. IS2000 type calipers (and Boxxer mount) and this new Hope mount loads the bolts by shear entirely and the caliper-frame/fork contact does next to nothing (except for maybe some cones in that Hope interface). If you'd place the caliper in front of the fork but still above the axle, I'd pull the bolts and again the caliper-fork contact surface does nothing. Even worse, I'd be wary that the bolts don't loosen themselves over time, causing even more instability. And it pulls the thread in the frame/fork, something you really don't want to wear out. Of course in case of a new Hope mount of the IS2000 interface, it doesn't quite matter whether the caliper is in front of the forks.

The stability of pull over push only goes for long and thin members, like spokes in a wheel.
  • + 1
 @vinay: thanks. That makes sense.
  • + 1
 So far nothing captivates me in this brake, nor the appearance, nor the braking force, or the customization range?
  • + 2
 How do they compare to the Formula Cura?
  • + 1
 G-Spec just sounds like something completely different.....
  • + 24
 Like something you still can't find perhaps? LOL
  • + 3
 @rellinger: Hahaha, wait..I don't get it..
  • + 3
 @ripinitup: Keep digging deep you'll finger it out one day. Not everyone can be such a cunning linguist as I. Razz
  • + 3
 @rellinger: I see what you did there. Smile
  • + 2
 @rellinger: I'm trying to remember the proper word you're alluding to. It's on the tip of my tongue.
  • + 1
 @metaam: what are ya, a Dalmatian?
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 Nearly Thema same Design like Shimano. Copy Paste?
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 MT5 for the win.

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