Truckworx - Crankworx Whistler 2022

Aug 16, 2022
by Mike Levy  
Fry-bird is the locomotive in the Free Radicals trail digging tour train. The 1994.5 Ford F-250 7.3L Veggiestroke runs on used restaurant deep fryer oil gets 17L 100km while towing their custom trailer and features a custom-built aluminum flat deck and tank. 1994.5 Ford F-250 196 000km 7.3L An impressive 17L 100km towing Red interior
This '94 F-250 belongs to the Free Radicals, sports a custom-built aluminum flat deck, and is powered by a 7.3L Veggiestroke engine. It does 17L/100km while towing a custom trailer and has 196,000km on the clock. In other words, it's just about broken in.


Crankworx is all about mountain biking, of course, but if you've spent time at any popular trailhead you probably know that many riders also own some pretty neat vehicles that they use for road trips or even to live in full time. While fast cars are a common sight on the Sea to Sky highway and Whistler, the resort's five main parking lots were packed full of off-road monsters, 6x6 expedition motorhomes, and plenty of homemade conversions that look like they'd need a long downhill stretch of road to come anywhere close to the speed limit... But when it's your home on wheels, what's the rush?

We took a walk through the parking lots to see if we could find anything interesting and were not disappointed.


Europeans love their monster-sized RVs, and it's not uncommon to see colossal MAN or Mercedes expedition vehicles lumbering around British Columbia in the summer. This beast is based on a Mercedes 6x6 chassis and has been manufactured by Ormocar in Germany. The owners weren't around or we would have asked for a tour, but I suspect you'd find a pretty comfy interior that includes a living room, kitchen, and maybe a bowling alley or indoor pool. While it seems a bit excessive, I also want one.



At the opposite end of the price scale of the monster Mercedes above, this blue beauty has no doubt seen plenty of miles.


There's no way you're going to miss True Mobile Mechanic's silver van that calls the Sea to Sky corridor home. They'll come to you and offer same-day service, a hard thing to find this time of the year, as well as a selection of parts to get you back up and running again. Something tells me they had plenty of work while parked in one of the Whistler day lots.



If you have the time and skills, converting an old school bus into your mountain bike get-away vehicle is a smart strategy. This one has some solar panels on the roof, a bit of astroturf for when you're stargazing, and even a chimney. And it's not a home-on-wheels until you paint it yourself, right?

These riders are also part of the ambulance club, although theirs is a much more recent example. I hope all the lights still work.

Both Canada (and especially America) have a bunch of stupid rules that keep many of the world's most interesting vehicles from being imported, but things like this 4x4 Toyota van are allowed in once they reach a certain age.

Big trucks, dinosaurs, and K9s.

This Euro-inspired Mercedes camper conversion is just the right size; big enough to live in for a decade or two, but small enough to not feel like a Carnival cruise ship when you want to 4x4 your way into a remote camping spot.

The only thing this Ford van needs is a side pipe without a muffler.

This truck's front bumper probably costs more than most of the vehicles in this article, but who am I to argue with RoboCop? All it needs is a few more light bars.

Some good 'ol boys with a truck that's more my style. Also, check out the old Datsun (aka Nissan) Z31-era 300ZX parked to the right - now we're talking!

The Outside rig ready for the weekend.

A perfect right-hand-drive Land Cruiser that's locked and loaded for a weekend of fun.

This old Toyota is worth $700,000 USD in the Sea to Sky corridor.

It's a long drive north from Texas to Whistler, but not when you're an overlander.

After rescuing Princess Vespa, Lone Starr and Barf came to hang out at Crankworx for the weekend. Also, any vehicle with a side pipe is the best vehicle.



484 Comments

  • 534 36
 Man, that Ford driver's weewee must be microscopic.
  • 28 18
 true that
  • 86 26
 Bigdumbtruckclub
  • 96 10
 I'm going to guess it had Alberta plates.
  • 39 6
 What goes on in these guy's minds?
  • 7 6
 @k2theg: so true.
  • 116 15
 I dunno man, probably just a truck nerd. He's over there like, "Did you see that chrome bike with the big orange fork? Gotta be compensating for something"
  • 21 4
 @k2theg: Or Idaho
  • 2 1
 I kinda like the image of PinkWorx…….
  • 20 17
 The bigger the block, the smaller the kaak.
  • 41 14
 Indeed, I could feel my penis shrinking just looking at the pic.
  • 9 4
 @k2theg: no front plate seals the deal
  • 32 13
 @k2theg: Alberta.....the Texas of Canada
  • 44 3
 How can you tell it's a Ford???
  • 9 36
flag danielfloyd (Aug 16, 2022 at 16:51) (Below Threshold)
 @igxqrrl: there's a giant FORD logo on the front.
  • 20 1
 It’s a BroDozer!
  • 44 2
 @igxqrrl: rats. It appears I did a whoosh
  • 2 2
 @lostlunchbox: yeah that's what I figured.
  • 12 6
 Probably has enough $$$ to get penile implant, hookers and blow...
  • 4 0
 @hughbm: pipe linin’.
  • 4 0
 TUCKWORX
  • 4 1
 I suggest you don't ever come to Florida looking for magnum XL's at the 7/11 then.. That there Ford is about mid range.. and one like it at every third stoplight.
  • 4 2
 @Rhymer: or socal
  • 46 2
 Some say if Ford and Trek collaborated, the logo would block out the sun.
  • 27 28
 "We despise in others what we deny in ourselves." Phallus envy and/or truck envy, dude?
  • 25 5
 @AndrewHornor: the orange fork is functional and is actually used. That truck has seen less off-road action than most minivans.
  • 31 17
 @nickfranko: Just the first example that came to mind of something that might *look* ostentatious. A factory 40 is hard to ignore.

I see a lot of built trucks that are actually not trying to look like offroaders. And I'd place this Ferd in the same category, "mud" tires or no. These guys are just going for a look, no different than a stanced 350z or a mountain bike with a purple ano headset. It's just a different flavour of nerdery.

Once I wrapped my head around the idea that modified trucks can be about style instead of just machismo, I started enjoying seeing them. Crew cab long bed with a sparkly paint job and low profile tires - why not? If it's diesel, it probably gets better fuel economy than a lot of other modified vehicles.
  • 3 2
 @wyorider: Just like MTB'ers an the size of they wheels........?
  • 19 13
 @hughbm: the same thing that goes through everyone that likes things outside the norm...?

I get it's funny and all to make jokes about huge trucks and inversely corresponding genitalia, but man.....

The next time I see a woman driving a truck I am going to go, "JESUS! she must have the loosest vagina this side of the Mason-Dixon!"
  • 21 5
 Greta’s just fainted
  • 4 5
 Comment of the Year !!!!
  • 6 5
 You went over my helmet??? - Dark Helmet

May the Schwartz not be with this article...

Watch out for spaceballs 3, the quest to find more douchebags with micropenis and too much money!!!
  • 8 8
 haters gonna hate
  • 5 9
flag hypa (Aug 17, 2022 at 8:58) (Below Threshold)
 Imagine being so focussed on another man's cawk. Maybe ottawa flip flop guy is projecting?
  • 1 6
flag Dopepedaler (Aug 17, 2022 at 9:43) (Below Threshold)
 Tremendously happy that they are enjoying their small penis.
  • 1 1
 Actually, she doesn't have a weewee.
  • 1 0
 @hughbm: very little.
  • 8 2
 As a guy who tend to ride to the trail I wouldn't want theses cars in the same roads I am riding.
  • 2 3
 @opignonlibre: yeah, keep these cars off the roads the roads were built for!
  • 3 1
 How come every time you see a real truck you start thinking about penis? Are you subconsciously hiding something about yerself? Wink
  • 146 0
 Not pictured: like 40 clapped out toyota tacomas with an offroad front bumper, no winch, and a Bilstein suspension sticker.
  • 48 0
 400, you forgot a zero.
  • 27 1
 Also not pictured: my 2011 Sienna. What gives?
  • 4 1
 @rrolly: I want an AWD Sienna soooo bad. With one of those Journeys off road lift kits.
  • 5 1
 @pdxkid: I own a Sienna AWD and was not aware of this lift kit. Must have.
I thank you, and my wife will hate you.
  • 1 0
 @rallyimprezive: Don't you love it when you find out about something that you have to have!?
  • 2 0
 @pdxkid: Weekly on PB. Why do I keep coming here???
  • 72 9
 This article could be called "mostly poor financial decisions"
  • 255 3
 This is a mountain biking website, every article is a mostly poor financial decision.
  • 3 1
 @Cerberon: OK I concede Smile BUT there are still sensible financial decisions to be made within any given realm.
  • 62 0
 Owning that Mercedes truck and having it shipped it from Europe to Canada for summer means you don't care about poor financial decisions at all.
  • 6 12
flag cxfahrer (Aug 16, 2022 at 23:53) (Below Threshold)
 Economy is about growth. Growth is generated by people buying things that they don´t really need.

And shipping trucks ac(t)ross oceans with stupid stickers of bands that once were great 25yrs ago (1997 Lost Highway).
  • 1 1
 @winko: That Mercedes truck raised the hair on the back of my neck. What a beast, someone hooked up with family money or some sweet stock options.
  • 1 1
 @JWadd: "intergenerational wealth"... spanning generations of, generally, mismanagement
  • 2 0
 @cxfahrer: growth can absolutely be generated by providing people with products and services that they do need.
  • 71 10
 More of this content please!
  • 141 1
 Here you go: www.pinkbike.com/photo/23135929

Be safe be well,
Incognito Robin
  • 2 0
 @notoutsideceo:

That outside shitbox is the second worst rig in this article
  • 59 1
 Du hast mich indeed
  • 15 5
 "Ohne dich, kann ich nicht fähren. Mit dir bin ich auch gesteckt"
  • 7 0
 Dunno why we're downvoting german lyrics

translation: "I can't drive without you. I'm stuck with you too."
very Rammstein-like
  • 7 0
 Mein hertz brentt looking at that thing
  • 1 0
 I don't speak German, but that Mercedes rig is something to behold. Rammstein indeed. Doubt they commute with it so it's 'just' a vacation vehicle, a bit less ostentatious and arguably more practical than an average yacht. I'd love to see the inside, starting with the driver's seat.
  • 45 3
 @mikelevy Setting environmental concerns aside for a moment, trucks like the "robocop" Ford are incredibly dangerous for cyclists and pedestrians. You cant see wtf is in front of your truck. Kids in neighborhoods are invisible with the sight line. The mirrors stick out way too far on either side and these trucks almost always drive in ways that are aggressive and dangerous to cyclists.

Source: I'm a daily commuter and drivers of trucks like this enjoy threatening my life on a weekly, sometimes daily basis.
  • 25 26
 Yup, I certainly agree with that. I do a lot of riding around the city of Vancouver, as well as on the Sea to Sky highway (which can be scary AF sometimes). I was out with a friend just last week and a truck like this had massive trailer mirrors and nearly took my friend's head off - we chased the truck down and had a "discussion" with the driver.

But I still don't see an issue with anyone owning a big truck like this. Cyclists get injured and killed by all sorts of vehicles.
  • 14 2
 @mikelevy: Thanks for the response. I do see an issue with it, but don't have anything to offer that hasn't been discussed above. Love the site as always
  • 7 35
flag SacAssassin (Aug 17, 2022 at 9:59) (Below Threshold)
 To play devils advocate, cyclists on narrow roads often times going far below the posted speed limit are a hazard to motorists.
  • 9 0
 Even worse are those dumb Carolina squat trucks. I have no idea how anyone sees out of those.
  • 20 1
 @SacAssassin: to play advocate to your devil's advocate at least in California bicycles are defined as vehicles and have the same rights to roadways as cars. If people would take 30 seconds to relax they can safely get around cyclist on any road.

BTW the most courteous drivers I have yet to experience were in North Carolina back roads. Never had a single driver buzz me and most would just cruise behind me at a distance (working my ass off to go as fast as I could on a road bike) until it was safe to pass and they had visibility to see far enough down the opposing lane.
  • 24 7
 @mikelevy: Studies have strongly suggested that more cyclists would be alive today if they were hit by sedan style vehicles than trucks or large SUVs. One found over 8000 deaths over a 19 year period may have been preventable, another showed that even though trucks/suvs account for 26% of collisions with cyclists, they account for 44% of fatalities. The hypothesis is that being a larger vehicle, there's a greater likelihood of critical injuries to the head or vital organs.

Sure, 'cyclists get killed by all sorts of vehicles', but normalizing driving around in these murder wagons or hyping up those who lift their vehicles (thereby making them more dangerous to vulnerable road users) is irresponsible. Vehicles like these are more likely to kill people.

Source: A literal article on cbc news website this morning www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/street-safety-groups-say-suvs-pickups-more-likely-to-kill-1.6551924
  • 16 16
 @RLindsay24: That makes all the sense in the world - good read. The bumper at head height surely can't be a good thing!

But lifted trucks aren't "murder wagons" and the people driving them (usually) aren't out to kill or injure anyone. Calling them that is hyperbole. I can't argue stats or the sense you're making because you are 100% right that these monster trucks are more likely to kill or hurt someone when an accident does happen...

But I'm still not going to get down on anyone that drives something like that or tell people they should own and drive something smaller.
  • 14 3
 @mikelevy: But accidents do just happen and let's assume people driving sedans & trucks hit pedestrians & cyclists at roughly the same frequency, traveling at the same speed. The poor SOBs who get hit by the trucks are more likely to die than those hit by the sedans - again purely assuming accidents, no malicious intent, traveling at the same speed. There's a number of deaths (difference in death rate between sedan & truck) that could have been preventable with different vehicle design (e.g. lower hoods). Don't think this means truck drivers are murderers or anything. If more people bought smaller vehicles with lower hoods, more pedestrians & cyclists would be alive though.
  • 19 9
 @premiumfrye: Yup, I agree with everything you said Smile

But where should the line be drawn? Should someone in charge say, "Bumpers can't be higher than 2.5ft off the ground" and lifting a truck is illegal? Ban lifted trucks in 2025, put governors on all vehicles so they're electronically controlled and can't go over whatever the posted speed limit is, and everyone has to ride foam-covered electric scooters by 2030? A lifted Tacoma is okay but a guy in a lifted Tundra deserves to be berated? I know I sound facetious but I'm serious - when does it stop? Let the people drive whatever they want.

Some things are more dangerous than others, but I'll always lean towards fewer rules and laws, not more.
  • 16 12
 What a load of crap, it's not the vehicle that is the problem it's the drivers. I drive a ram 3500 long box crew cab pulling a 10000lb trailer daily. Wide mirrors are needed to see tiny shit box cars that follow to close and want to cut into my stopping zone while using their phone
  • 13 7
 @mikelevy: ah, the good old "guns don't kill people, people kill people" narrative

There are countries where both gun control and pedestrian protection of cars are regulated more restrictive, f.ex no massive bull bars on cars/trucks.

These regulations do work in developed countries and save lifes.
  • 6 7
 @JohSch:

Ah lad, what's the point of bringing a gun control argument here? Seriously.

And get down off your proposed high horse because in Europe we allow bull bars. Look at the Scanias, Volvos etc. Massive bull bars on some of those rigs.

Also in Europe we mostly have cars. People don't use pickups as a daily driver for a multitude of reasons. Put a bull bar onto BMW 5 series and see what it looks like. There's a reason we don't have them on cars, because they look stupid on cars
  • 6 1
 @agrohardtail: Massive/strong bullbars are banned since 2005

europe.autonews.com/article/20021118/ANE/211180803/abs-to-be-standard-and-bull-bars-banned-by-2005

eur-lex.europa.eu/EN/legal-content/summary/vulnerable-road-users-and-frontal-protection-systems.html

"As well banning bull bars and making antilock brakes standard, all new vehicles will have to undergo tests to assess how they react in frontal impacts with pedestrians.

To pass the tests successfully, cars will need to use more flexible material for the hood or protective foam in the bumpers, said a Renault spokeswoman."
  • 7 1
 @d-man: It sounds like you are using this for work, which is fine because that's what they're for. I agree with @mikelevy in most instances regarding a more libertarian approach to most things (not libertarianISM, just applying the term in this context).

But I live in the deep south of the US. From a hideous truck and redneck mentality standpoint, in many areas it's as bad as they say it is. I would be in support of requiring a CDL to drive a dually or even outright banning lift kits for highway use vehicles.

There was a time in my life that I wanted a lifted truck more than anything (I was raised a southern boy after all and even enjoy that nasty dipping tobacco. I know, yikes), but now i can't help but point, laugh, shake my head, and try not to get hit.
  • 4 2
 @JohSch: you might want to re read my comment and see what I said have bull bars.

What I said have bull bars don't fall under the 'passenger cars and light commercial vehicles (category M1 and N1 vehicles weighing less than 3.5 tonnes)'.

Oh, and by the way this article
europe.autonews.com/article/20021118/ANE/211180803/abs-to-be-standard-and-bull-bars-banned-by-2005

That bill was amended, and you can in fact fit bull bars to your vehicle.
  • 5 0
 That is why they are trying to mandate pedestrian protectors on Commercial trucks in many cities. It is a guard that knocks cyclists/pedestrians out sideways so they dont go under the wheels. Perhaps these can be mandated for those jacked up trucks etc...
  • 3 6
 @fabwizard: or perhaps the idiot pedestrians should stay on the sidewalks and not cross the street wherever they want.
  • 4 1
 @JohSch: Bull bars/brush guards also save lives. While there are lots of people that add them to trucks/suvs for aesthetics, there are also tons of people that add them because they live/work/drive in rural areas where the risk of hitting wildlife is a legit concern. Have you seen the kind of damage hitting a deer or a moose does?

If you never leave the city, that's one thing, but if you spend any time driving on the highway, country/mountain roads, they make all kinds of sense.
  • 2 2
 @mikelevy: I think you're making a reducto-ad-absurdum argument; Yes, regulation could be extreme, but modest regulation *could*( have significant impact - let's say a random rules restricts 5ft high grills for non-commercial vehicles , or require inspection by department of transportation? What if that saves 10 lives/year, and makes 100 people lift their truck just a liiiitle less? I think that's worth it. 100 truck owners may not - why we live in a democracy baby!
  • 3 1
 @mildsauce91: Hard agree on the CDL
  • 3 1
 @d-man: Or perhaps the trucks should stay off the sidewalks too (back wheels are catching pedestrians standing on the corner or bikes stopped because they are going straight but truck is making right turn on red). However I do agree about the idiot pedestrians.

And even more idiotic is the people pushing their strollers out into traffic to stop traffic. Maybe step out with stroller behind you so at least the baby survives.
  • 3 0
 @mildsauce91: You drive a Prius, don't you?
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: Lots of places have laws on maximum height on headlights or bumpers. itstillruns.com/height-regulations-headlights-5996942.html
  • 1 1
 @mikelevy: I am all for peopling being able to modify their vehicles right up until it poses a safety hazard to others. Massively lifted trucks are more of a danger to cyclist, pedestrians, motor cyclists and other car drivers. If someone wants to build a massively lifted truck and take it off road fine but trailer it. Many places already have a headlight or bumper height restriction. In the US most states have laws on bumper or headlight height or some kind of law regarding lifts. Here is a full list. www.semasan.com/semaga/State_Laws_Impacting_Altered_Height_Vehicles.pdf
It looks like a lot of Canada has similar restrictions.
  • 4 1
 @PACNW-MTB: I try to drive as little as possible, but no not a prius. I'm on my second Honda element. Before that, VW GTI, Jeep wrangler tj, nissan frontier, in that (reverse) order.

Hey, not one of those had an automatic transmission, does that mean I get to be a real man, or is associating my ego with the car I drive (and therefore owning a truck apparently) a requirement?
  • 4 2
 @mildsauce91: Nope, I've just made the same observation regarding Prius and Prius drivers as you did about those who drive trucks, guess that evens out, huh?
  • 7 4
 @JohSch: that's cool for those countries that they've got guns and scary vehicles banned. Maybe next they could mandate everyone wears a helmet at all times, ban beer, ban meat too. I'm pretty content living in a country without so many restrictions, I wouldn't want to live in those other countries and I'm sure they wouldn't want to live here. And that right there is the beauty of it all! We don't have to live the same way. You can do you and we'll do us. With freedom comes risks, I'm ok with that. And if you want to live inside a literal bubble at all times, that's your right and I've got no say in the matter. I just don't like authoritarians. And most of us don't really care about sanctimonious Europeans. We get it, you're clearly better than us!
  • 1 0
 @PACNW-MTB: I'd say thats fair. Most stereotypes are rooted in some degree of reality no matter how much it huwts
  • 1 0
 Marsha Marsha Marsha
  • 1 0
 @sophisticatedhonky: They don't what?
  • 2 1
 @mikelevy: @mikelevy: Bit late to the party, but in your own words, "When does it stop?" Spinning machetes welded to the hubs, spears, flame throwers? Somebody's fun stops when they unreasonably risk others life, no?

Both sides of the argument have to compromise, but you are also ridiculing the other arguments. It just seems that trucks are getting out of hand while traffic, population density and the now more than obvious in your face climate disaster are on the up. There is you ripping around in your mini, which has no more impact than the average transportation pod, and that's cool. But there also is a lot of insane stuff on the road that could plow through the entire peloton and has the environmental impact of a Nimitz class aircraft carrier. Not for work, just to pick up 5lb of mulch once a year.

TBH, I just don't see much willingness to compromise in those vehicles...
  • 1 1
 @janff: 1. Who gets to decide what’s reasonable or not?

2. What truck has the same footprint of a Nimitz class aircraft carrier?

3. Exactly how much “less green” is a 3/4 ton truck vs a Prius?

If Your whole opinion is largely based on logical fallacies and gross exaggerations, it probably doesn’t hold water.
  • 2 0
 @PACNW-MTB: The whole point is that people should try to find a compromise, some reflection. Then you don't need anyone to decide what reasonable is. But I guess that is a lost concept. Pretty easy to assess environmental impact of a vehicle over life time, not necessarily saying a prius is actually that great.
  • 1 0
 @janff: the compromise is that everyone gets to decide for themselves what they drive. What exactly do you have in mind for compromise? I notice only one side telling the other what they can't do, no truck driver is saying you should be forced to drive a truck and your little sedan should be illegal. Compromise means both sides concede something, so what exactly are you willing to concede here?
  • 2 0
 @DylanH93: So you mean really whatever anyone wants to drive then. Anything they can come up with? No laws, no regulations, everything goes? Just don't think that would work in society.

I am conceding that people can drive cars I personally think are bs, but just gotta accept that. Or that my car has to fulfill regulations I maybe disagree with. Again, Ideally I don't want to tell anyone or legislate what they drive.

Didn't have to pull the sedan card man, I don't drive a sedan
  • 2 0
 @janff: So, on one hand, you are saying that you agree with the current system we have, i.e. people can drive what they want, just as long as they aren't big enough to plow through the peloton or have a footprint the size of an aircraft carrier, but a mini is fine?

Sounds like you really think YOU should be the one who dictates what people drive.
  • 1 0
 @janff: that's fair. Obviously there are tons of rules and regulations and those truck drivers are following them so I don't think there's much room for condemning their choice. If anything the rules can change if a majority of society agrees. I guess what blows my mind is the vast majority of pollution comes from a small number of gigantic corporations yet people want to keep the focus off that and onto the individual who has little power in the way things are. I don't get that. I've never even owned a truck but I've got no issues with them. Everyone has weird style and taste, if you want to jack your truck up, have it squatting in the back with a tie die paint job and twenty light bars then more power to you. It's not my style but I'm not going to imply they're physically or mentally disabled because of it. Same thing with fashion, you do you.
  • 1 0
 @PACNW-MTB: I really tried to convey that I wouldn't want to regulate anything, but rather people could some times take a step back and reconsider. Obviously my hyperbole for entertainment didn't go down well. Peace out!
  • 179 154
 These huge trucks and pickups are so embarassing.
Especially for people who do sports where you need to have an intact environment. Like for riding bikes in forests or on mountains.



The American continent must be stuck in about 1972?

www.clubofrome.org/publication/the-limits-to-growth
  • 258 139
 To each their own, of course, but I gotta disagree with you on that one. I don't want a big truck or 6x6 rig, but I love that some people own them, especially when they drive them for thousands of miles on a road trip. For me, riding bikes has nothing to do with the environment - I like bikes and I like vehicles - and we're all doing things that aren't great for the planet, regardless of being cyclists.

To me, getting down on people's vehicle choice feels like moral grandstanding, especially when there are far worse things for the planet than Billy Bob's big truck Smile
  • 168 88
 @mikelevy: Whataboutism

mountainbiking without any intact nature, wondering how that will look like.

driving these monsters for huge distances is even worse with their enormous gas consumption and super poor energy efficency.
  • 79 97
flag bman33 (Aug 16, 2022 at 14:49) (Below Threshold)
 @JohSch: So with you current position as seen here and affinity for the 'limits....' book and philosophy, can we all assume you are ditching your mobile phone, laptops, GPS, ANY car/vehicle you own (gas, hybrid or electric), ALL your bikes (carbon, steel, alloy w/ rubber tires, plastic bits, etc), most modern medical devices (gotta mine the metals and/or they include plastics), forgoing modern clothing, riding and protective gear (synthetic materials, plastics, etc.) and going completely off grid in the forest living in privative structures?

Let's see just how righteous you are... you must be a smash hit at parties.
  • 122 27
 @mikelevy: really? In 30 years of riding that’s the first I’ve heard that. How have you spent your life mountain biking and not have a connection to / respect for your surrounding environment? It makes your riding experience what it is and is nothing without it. Riding should bring people closer to nature not further from it. Yes of course carbon bikes and toys for the wealthy are not good for our planet but at least mountain (usually) fosters respect for the environment around us.
  • 130 118
 @JohSch: Sure, you can call it whataboutism if you want but I don't hold Billy Bob or his truck responsible. I'm sure we'll all be saved by electric cars haha /s Wink
  • 55 57
 @mikelevy: dude spot on
  • 82 43
 @james529529: Why would you think I don't have a connection with nature, or any less of a connection or respect just because I also love dumb vehicles?
  • 75 84
flag scott-townes (Aug 16, 2022 at 14:58) (Below Threshold)
 @JohSch: How are you posting on PB? Is it using a smartphone which uses rare earth minerals that come from terrible mines? Are you working only remotely, rarely travel, source all electricity from solar, never eat out or
only purchase things that don't contain plastic? Are all your investments in renewables?

Chill, this holier than thou CO2 attitude is absurd.
  • 62 15
 @mikelevy: LOL going down an argument path you can't possibly win. I have had a few lifted trucks over the years. Its fun but honestly hard to defend. Having said that I am putting in a 4 inch lift in my new truck this weekend so I can clear some real tires!

And none of my environmentally minded Prius owning friends complain about the truck when I am shuttling them.
  • 56 9
 @JohSch: you’d be pretty amazed how efficient they are considering what they do. Especially with a tuner.

5 of us in dodge 3500 with a cummins, pulling a camper trailer and all of our gear, food, beers, bikes for 10 days riding and averaged 30mpg-8L/100km.

Pretty hard to beat that. Driving them to the grocery store is goofy. But using them for what they can do, is excellent.
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 @mikelevy: It's a tricky balance between letting people have fun, and endorsing egregious wasteful behavior. Big dumb old truck used on weekends for camping and biking is great; when it's a $100k+ luxury vehicle rolling on 6ft high they're likely also commuting on it, preparing for the MadMax hellscape they're accelerating us to.
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 @mikelevy: what an #Ebiker mentality
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 @powderhoundbrr: It's more fun when you know you don't have a moral leg to stand on but still love fast cars and trucks on 40s haha
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 @premiumfrye: Agreed, and I think what's actually at the root of it for me is people telling other people what kind of fun they should and shouldn't be having.
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 I hate that every time someone criticizes completely moronic vehicles such as these huge trucks, the Super Poopy being the most egregious then everyone jumps down their throat about still using technologies that have a carbon footprint. As if these truck drivers don't also have cell phones, laptops, etc. It is possible to be participate in the world culture and strive for lower carbon footprint but still live life. Fuck yes we should criticize douchebags who drive brodozers. For the most part they don't serve a need other than satisfying their need to appear macho. Also the amount of carcinogens being spewed from modded diesels is huge. Thanks for the cancer.
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 @mikelevy: Levy...I'm sorry for all the shit I've given you over the years. I know you like cars, and now you like trucks too. I understand. I have mental conflict on my car and Jeep, but I still love them. Those of us old enough and living in places that didn't value walking around so much understand that a large portion of our old trails came from things that are now looked down upon.

I justify it by working from home...and a 7 liter engine is exactly what could be had in my car originally, but now I have a modern aluminum EFI 7 liter engine instead of big cast iron one with a carburetor.

To all the others, we know that we have to change, but that doesn't happen overnight. It can't. I can't get an electric vehicle that will take me into the mountains and back yet. I do my part by keeping everything for as long as possible.
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 You think the bicycles that are built in large factories overseas are good for the environment? There's pros and cons to everything
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 @mikelevy: because you said that for you “riding bikes has nothing to do with the environment”
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 wait until you hear about the lack of public transit options in the greatest country in the history of the world Wink lol
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 @mikelevy: "and we're all doing things that aren't great for the planet, regardless of being cyclists."
"there are far worse things for the planet than Billy Bob's big truck"
Sorry, but that is not an argument. Do what you want but be aware that the environmental impact is absolute shit if you drive your 6x6 through BC. And one can not put that kind of pollution on the same level as buying a carbon bike, just because that ain't good for the environment either. We have to be held accountable for our actions of destroying the planet and be called out for actions that have a big environmental impact. Just because there is always someone polluting the world more, we can not shit on nature because we don't have as big of an impact as others. That's no excuse. We should all strive for the better and at least don't defend shit behavior that is rightly critisized
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flag agnostic (Aug 16, 2022 at 15:34) (Below Threshold)
 My Deutsch, did you fail to notice the biggest truck in that whole set was Deutsch? Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. I live on Vancouver Island and you would not believe the amount of Deutsch mega rigs that come through here in the summer.
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 Gosh. People are so offended when you tell them to simply "Be better, and try a little harder to show you care about the environment". It seems pretty simple, seeing that our quality of life is affected by the environment we live and breathe in every day.

So few people actually need a giant mega-truck that weighs 11,000lbs and could trample a stadium of people without breaking a sweat. The world would be a better place if people lived somewhat within their means, and realized they can do the same thing in a Camry that they do in their F-250(Looking at you, folks who have an empty bed, live in the 'burbs, and have a 2-bike rack or tailgate pad on their big truck to drive 3mi to the trailhead parking lot).
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 @mikelevy: Levy would like to show you his new lifted F350 in an exclusive Pinkbike huck to flat video.
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 @mikelevy: "For me, riding bikes has nothing to do with the environment" sorry for you dude. On reflection I hope you regret that statement...
while the forests around the World burn.
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flag kleinschuster (Aug 16, 2022 at 15:54) (Below Threshold)
 @JohSch and @bashhard: tell us all how well that Russian natural gas is working out and the refiring of your coal power plants. You guys are completely sustainable and definitely not hurting the environment in a worse way than some vehicles you dislike right? Go and review emissions from power generation versus vehicles and then when you view vehicles see what contributions come from light trucks versus commercial transportation.
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 @bashhard: I agree with a lot of that, for sure. Of course I care - I'm not trying to sound flippant about things and we should all be striving to be better.

But where you lose me is when you get to criticizing others. I just don't think the people who own these big trucks should be vilified. I'm sorry, but that's not "shit behavior" in my mind. I'm obviously in the minority, and I'm not defending coal rolling here, but there's nothing wrong with owning a big ass truck.
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 @cgreaseman: it's called "reduce" and FFS, it is the one meaningful "R" of the 3 R's that humans have the most problem with. Recycling was mostly a lie. Reuse? Ok, not sure what the even means. But reduce, man. All we had to do was reduce our consumption just a little bit. Now we have to not only reduce, but reverse. These trucks are for a*sholes.
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 @karatechris: Worded poorly for sure - my bad. Can I blame it on two Monsters before noon?

What I meant to imply is that I care about the environment regardless of being a cyclist or not. I'd still pick up trash on the ground and do the things you're supposed to do even if I never found mountain bikes. But I don't think I care an extra amount just because I ride bikes in the woods. I love the woods regardless Smile
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 @kleinschuster: that is exactly what I meant. You don't understand it. First of all, I can not change the current dependencies on russian gas, I was not old enough to vote when the dependencies were caused by our politicians and I don't have any way of changing the current decisions of firing up the coal power plants.
Of course the current situation is worse than driving a truck, but that is not the point. I can directly influence my way of transportation and reduce my environmental impact that way. And I will critisize people for not giving a f*ck about their personal impact just because some countries are f*cking up the environment on a bigger scale as well. I will not pour my old engine oil into the nearest river just because a chinese factory does the same on a bigger scale. Some actions just stay stupid no matter what others do.
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 @kleinschuster: fracking aka pouring tons of water and chemicals into the ground in "the greatest nation on earth" or Canadas oilsands aka world's dirtiest oil sure are a better alternative Frown
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 I totally agree. The size of the average vehicle in north America is insane, it's this mindset that is holding us back from a greener future.
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 @premiumfrye: it’s not a tricky balance, you’re making an assumption, which you believe makes it a tricky balance. His lifted truck prolly runs a tuner, prolly gets better gas mileage than you’d expect. Expect some extra drag due to aero, and the tires, but if you think the paltry number of personal lifted trucks is any sort of comparison to the tractor trailers rolling 24/7, you’re in for a wake up.
Who cares about the flashy lights, and exterior doo-dads, he thinks it’s cool, and loves it. Prolly loves riding his bike too. Just cause you don’t agree with it, doesn’t make it any worse
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 @karatechris: I agree with kaz. I like forests and nature but it has nothing to do with being a mt biker. It is just who I am not because I bike.
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 @Explodo: well said,
To jump on, you’re always better off to keep and maintain your older vehicles, than buying a new electric one. Keep em, fix em, restore em, build em, race em, rod em, drive the ever loving shit out of em, just don’t buy new ones….
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 @mikelevy: Can you say that loud enough for the people in the back please?
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 @mikelevy: regardless of how much people may love giant trucks (either the Ford or the giant rammstein monstrosity), we are going to have to ban vehicles like these in the very near future.

Much of the world is ceasing production of internal combustion engine cars by 2030-2035. And electric can't replace them necessarily - the new "electric" hummer has worse effective efficiency than a Chevy Malibu.
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flag thiscunt (Aug 16, 2022 at 17:28) (Below Threshold)
 I hope you aren't planning on breeding then. The impact we have on the environment is less to do with our processes and more to do with our population numbers being far to high.
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 @ratedgg13: For sure, it's going that way. I know nothing (obviously) but I have hope for biofuels, and there seems to be some investment going in that direction. I feel like electric cars won't save shit in the long, long run - you're swapping one resource for another, and both have nasty drawbacks.

I'm patiently waiting for the anti-gravity technology that's been hidden from us for the last 70 years, thereby forcing us to depend on fossil fuels Smile
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 @mikelevy: everybody has an easier time accusing and vilifying what they see in front of them, ie. A huge diesel truck in their neighborhood. Nobody bothers to look at their own impact via consumption of pointless products and purchases from overseas. Yeah, typing this on an iPhone, also only my 5th one since 2008, how many people brag about going through 5 a year? Or having to own the newest, latest and greatest one every year? I’m also an avid supporter of right to repair. If fairphone could run iOS, I’d buy one. So many people seem to think that EVs are going to save the planet, but because it’s not in their neighborhood, they don’t care what lithium mining does to other countries, and negatively affects the people living there.
Everyone on this thread should research how the local communities have been affected in South American countries by these mines. How much diesel is burned in the production and transport of just the raw material to make the batteries, that on their own have toxic waste concerns for disposal once they reach the end of their life. How much coal and diesel is burned just to charge EVs, since everyone fears nuclear.
While you’re at it, have fun looking at how much NO2, sulfur, and CO2 the cruise ship industry on its own creates in comparison, among all the other health and pollution concerns that come with those.
Check out how much the private jet industry boomed during Covid, something Bill Gates admits to being a “guilty pleasure” of his. How many tonnes of CO2 those people rack up flying around, because they can’t be bothered to fly public with the rest of us peons. While their numerous mansions sit heated and air conditioned. And then countries who propose carbon tax, but at the same time give exemption to private jets and yachts, you know, since the owners can’t be bothered to pay a tax.
Checkout how our presidential administration travels to Europe to discuss climate policy.
If you’re into crypto, research the difference between proof of work, and proof of stake, along with the amount of energy that is required to power the servers running these calculations, primarily based in China and powered by coal.

The EV industry has created a new wave of virtue signaling, and keeping people fighting against each other while real damage is still being done elsewhere. But yeah, hate your neighbor for their vehicle choice, because THAT is what’s going to destroy the planet.
Vassals guilt trip the Serfs, and keep them fighting each other, so that they can continue on with their business.
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flag BlindMan77 (Aug 16, 2022 at 17:55) (Below Threshold)
 @mikelevy: So true. Electric cars are a fricken joke!!! first we must rape the earth for cobalt and other minerals to produce batteries. Then we use coal, oil, and natural gas to charge the batteries, then state that the cars are zero emissions, only a complete idiot can believe that. If people actually cared about reducing carbon they would be pushing for hydrogen powered cars, and our energy grids to be run by nuclear.
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 @bonfire: I'd like to more about this setup. I've hot shotted with tuned 6.7s , hauling 12000 to 20000 lbs, and had 11 to 14 l per 100km all over Alberta.
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 @mikelevy: as someone who works in this area, don't hold your breath on biofuels, or hydrogen for personal vehicles. Those will almost certainly be electric.
For those talking about the problems with electric vehicles (@BlindMan77) - you aren't entirely wrong. However, the point of the broader energy transition is that the energy sources will also be renewables (including nuclear), and that battery tech is likely to make massive strides in how they're designed, what they're made of, and how they get recycled.
Keep in mind we've had decades of investment in the internal combustion engine. Concerted R&D into batteries and electric motors is likely to have equal, if not larger changes, in significantly less time periods.
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 @mikelevy: Antigrav would be great. I just see those lifted trucks and think 'huh, probably wouldn't even see or feel me if I'm riding my bike in front of it'. Granted, I see teslas and think the same thing, especially when they've got the watch me ma no hands mode on.
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 @mountainyj: Very well said. Electric vehicles are no panacea, rather they create a whole new set of problems not the least of which is the toxicity of their components. The internal combustion engine is a miracle, it runs when you turn it on, and stops when you turn it off,and is a reliable and proven technology. The most that can be said against the internal combustion engine is that most people do not need them to be so big, but hey, peeps like the power of horses under foot. Haters gonna hate though, nothing we can do about that except speak truth to virtue signaling power.
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 @ratedgg13: “we’ve had decades of investment into ICE.”

Do you think the world can survive another Thomas Midgley, only in the name of EVs instead of gasoline or cfc’s?
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 @heatproofgenie: amen, comparing using cellphones, plastic and other everyday life stuff to owning a douche truck is completely moronic. Pretty easy to live witnout trucks but getting rid of plastic and consumable items is another story. I know of a couple using a military 6x6 as a camper van...they drive on paved road with that gas guzzler, seriously wtf
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 @dreamlink87: I'd argue that the current climate crisis is precisely like the other problems Midgley caused. And yes, we will most certainly have setbacks. However, given the nature of the problem(s) we're now facing, more attention will be paid to possible externalities and unintended side effects before wide scale adoption and distribution.
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 @ratedgg13: To my understanding the bottom half a hydrogen engine is the same as a gas powered engine. Seems like a much cheaper and less wasteful way to transition to cleaner ways of transportation with hydrogen. Plus batteries are super heavy and aren't appropriate for airplanes or heavy commercial vehicles. I feel like this whole move to electric vehicles will be like what we did with plastics 30 years ago. Cutting down renewable resources like trees are bad, but bagging everything in plastic is good, now everything is paper again.
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 @mountainyj: sorry, previous comment was for your but fat thumbs on mobile caused me to reply to wrong person. Sorry @dreamlink87 my bad.
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flag CDT77 (Aug 16, 2022 at 18:49) (Below Threshold)
 @mikelevy: I was on the fence about you editors (except for Tom.. he was never in question).. but after these series of comments - you've landed on the right side. My faith in the world is slightly improved..
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 There's nothing embarassing about driving your rig with everything you need in likely a different continent. What's the alternative to you? Rentals, hotels and likely more waste somehow?
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flag z-man (Aug 16, 2022 at 19:06) (Below Threshold)
 @mikelevy:

Lots of respect lost for you. The environment has everything to do with mtbs. I guess you're just some basic white boy with no concept of the real world.

You're too privileged to feel the real pain of climate change, and the fact you don't care is pathetic.
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 Are we not allowed to enjoy other hobbies? I built my truck (the tan Squarebody in this article) completely from the ground up, I drive it every day because I'm proud of that accomplishment, not to mention it averaged almost 20mpg from on the way up to Whistler. But yah I guess I'm the reason for the decline of our environment, sorry. Enjoy buying a Brandnew bike every season, which was more than likely made in some factory in Taiwan. Those factories are super focused on a cleaner environment lol.
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 @BlindMan77: Engine to engine, you're absolutely correct. In this case the decision will be made based on distribution and storage of energy - the cost and complexity of building a widespread hydrogen manufacturing, storage and distribution network is going to be nigh impossible, rather than piggybacking off electricity grids that are easier to rebuild and enhance. You'll see a lot of hydrogen used in industrial contexts where it can be produced in-situ. For some context, my career is in regulation and policy of energy infrastructure including energy transitions, so studying this stuff is literally my lifes work.
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 @MKIIISUPRA: Honestly I have nothing against you or your truck. You seem to understand that they are worse for the environment and that's your MO. What you aren't doing is spreading falsehoods as if they're facts. Mike hasn't a clue about EVs or their environmental impacts. He is in a position of influence amd still decides to spread falsehoods about stuff he is very obviously not educated in.
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 @mikelevy: True. That first Ford has had 196k put on it in what, 30 years? At $1/L that is $33,320 spent on fuel. (more than the sticker price) 544km driven a month on average. That is pretty environmentally friendly. I do 10x that a month in a vehicle that is "twice as good" so I'm only doing.... 5x the bad?
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 @mikelevy: fair enough, that makes sense.
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 @ratedgg13: I appreciate the feedback!
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 @Saucycheese: and the pro list for a bro dozer like that ends at satisfying a small man's masculinity.
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flag TooManyBikess (Aug 16, 2022 at 20:45) (Below Threshold)
 @johsch this is the truck you want when the city floods…..seems like a thing thats happening more often these days…. Wonder why? Double edged sword really.
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flag warmerdamj (Aug 16, 2022 at 21:24) (Below Threshold)
 @mikelevy: This is awesome man, great to see these rigs. Ignore the woke little wankers, they are likely just parroting the latest trash their favorite influencer stole from their favorite influencer. They spend 18 hours a day on YouTube, on the phone they replace every time Apple tells them too and then come here to preach about "saving the environment".
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 @ratedgg13:


Think about all the jet planes blowtorching the atmosphere…We should ban those first.

The way we travel the world today has never been possible before in human existence.
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 @FranzMuhr: absolutely agreed. I should probably clarify that my statement on banning giant trucks has nothing to do with my personal perceptions of them (especially given the number of downvotes I got). I also think we probably need to eliminate concrete and we should all PROBABLY eat less meat. That's not to say that I think any of those things are desirable, but rather that they may simply be necessary if we're going to make the necessary changes to our global emissions. In particular, private jets should absolutely one of the first things to go.
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 @JohSch: I do really like to tell people how to create a better world, too.
How people act is no matter of nations, though. It is a matter of income and mentality.
You can go to any European bikepark, and find the same collection of vehicles there. It's the bikers/DHers/van life attitude. Insta world worldwide, you know...
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 @mountainyj: And you know what is better most of the oil and minerals comes from Africa. Look at what is happening in Congo it makes me cry, I have lived in Africa for most of my life and have seen first hand how companies, mainly Chinese and American destroy, in my opinion, a continent that has the most beautiful people and land.

For example the ecosystem and economy around the Niger Delta was completely destroyed beacuse of Shell. That is the main reason piracy is so rampant there, people have no way to feed theirselves and their families beacuse the land is ruined and the ocean is too.
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 @bashhard: I agree with you. Now I got a carbon Stumpjumper and this is for pure fun sometimes I think about its impact in enviroment, buy I got also a carbon Grail that I use every day for bike to work (22km) from mid February to end of November so now I am over 22000 km so I think it's over carbon neutral. The use you make of a thing make its ambiental footprint, any you can't go right direction with these beasts...
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flag humoroususername (Aug 16, 2022 at 23:49) (Below Threshold)
 Oh look, a German with a superiority complex acting condescending towards North Americans. Haven't seen that one before..... Look buddy, your audis and bmws aren't environmentally friendly just because they are a little smaller. They still burn the same amount of fuel and they have a tendency to fall apart after the warranty runs out. The USA is where most of the cool stuff we have in the world originates from....
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 @JohSch: You are right - and wrong.

Mankind is to Earth what a raccoon is to your garden.

I dont think that driving a XXL Sprinter for camping and biking to the Reschenpass is that more sustainable than shipping an Actros to Canada.
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flag romeoblue (Aug 17, 2022 at 0:22) (Below Threshold)
 @JohSch: You're out of your element. If you keep your foot out of it, that f350 will get well over 20mpg even with the tires. Compared to a Prius or EV, that Ford will last longer and have less negative impact on the environment the longer is driven.
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flag agrohardtail (Aug 17, 2022 at 1:39) (Below Threshold)
 @ratedgg13: lol, they say they'll stop producing ICE. They won't. They are what keeps the world turning. Electric cars are a joke. When they're sitting on the showroom floor, they've produced twice the amount of emissions of a traditional petrol/diesel car.

With the current state of most western energy grids it would take 90,000km before the electric car matched the ice car for emissions. Most people who buy new cars have another new one in less than 3 years, so it's never going to hit 90,000km before a new car is built. We also don't know for sure if a battery will get to 90,000km. Not enough electric cars have been in the real world for long enough.

I was talking to someone the other day that were so happy that their new electric car could do a 260km round trip and stop to charge only 3 times. Now this statement doesn't make sense to me as claimed mileage of modern electric vehicles is higher, but maybe they differ alot in real world use. Either way I was surprised at their statement.

Electric vehicles aren't the future. Long haul trucks can't be electric with all the stopping for charging that's required.

Something like hydrogen seems like a more viable option.
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 True, the vehicles here aren't the most environmentally friendly. But they run for decades and will keep on if cared after. Cannot say that about the nice fancy green hybrid electric etc vehicles that are being pushed here. Lease your new Passat GTE for 3 years and see how it runs after that. Doubt we will see anyone in 20 years still driving a 2022 car. Why is there touchscreens and weird glued materials and features nobody needs found everywhere? Let's focus back on basics. Good and durable things that can be repaired. The cars in this article have their place, and be it in the heart of their owners. Let people have fun. The big impact is somewhere else. And no, the planned obsolescence in newly produced cars is no help, even when manufacturers claim 1,5l/100km which is never realizable in the real world.
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 @agrohardtail: ummmm, I have 170,000km on my Tesla. You seem to be a time traveller from 2010.
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 Seems pretty harsh coming on to criticise someone else's hobby when mountain biking is hardly a perfect model for being environmentally friendly. There's enough other comments here that perfectly sum up that situation, so I wont repeat them but I have two things to point out here: first is that these trucks are enthusiast vehicles, as a part of a parallel hobby that happens to work well with this sport, and secondly- in some parts of the world an amount of very long distance driving and off-roading may be required to access the trails or attend events like this.

I now live in the UK, where almost all trails are accessible by road in any vehicle, but I am from Australia where this is far from the case, and I am certain North America is similar. I own a landcruiser as my weekender, to take my bike to the trails (and my friends too) and also because i enjoyed off-road driving and camping- the hobbies all fit together. I did not drive this car to work during the week, I used public transport to commute and/or my partner's much more economical hatchback for local driving.

All of the vehicles here are clearly owned and modified by enthusiasts, who every much as right to their hobby as we do to mountain biking. And as i stated above, it's a hobby that is tied in very nicely with my interested in mountain biking and the outdoors.
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 @bonfire: As a diesel truck and camper owner, I question your 30mpg claim lol. There's only so much energy in a gallon of diesel no matter the tune. I just got back from a 3500 mile road trip with my small 2,500 lbs aerodynamic tear drop camper being towed by a 3.0L diesel half ton. I got 16 mpg averaging around 70 mph. I considered that great vs. what a gas engine would have got.
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flag agrohardtail (Aug 17, 2022 at 5:16) (Below Threshold)
 @Jvisscher: you're one of a few electric owners I've heard with mileage that high. Again, many people would replace their car well before they even hit that distance.
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 @cxfahrer: dunno. Usually people who drive big trucks and ship them around the world have an absymal carbon and pollution footprint.
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 I think most of us are slightly envious of those slightly better off than us financially and use the "destruction of the environment" argument to justify our envy. Cheap bike good. Expensive bike bad. Big truck worse. And private jets and helicopters? Don't even get me started. A huge THANK YOU to all the big armed men and women driving big trucks and big bulldozers carrying big chainsaws that built Whistler and all the trails we all enjoy so much. Thanks
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 @z-man: Can't give enough upvotes for this. It's so frustrating to hear the same falsehoods about EV's GHG emissions over and over again.

@mikelevy: Please read this link and maybe reconsider your statements.
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 @mikelevy I might disagree with you on some of the points made - and some ofthat may come from us living in two very different places. But I agree fully that being a "bicycle owner" does not automatically make someone an environmentalist. The MTB world we live in is a world of well off first worlders playing with expensive toys.
Whether they have a cargo bike or a lifted F350 as their daily driver is a separate thing, and a separate part of their character.
FWIW, I'm both a petrolhead and an engineer - I cant wait for fancy electric cars and motorcycles to exist/be affordable for me.
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 @agrohardtail: Wtf dude, no more ice? How will i chill my beer ?!
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 @JohSch: Ironic that the largest vehicle pictured comes from your Country? You must be doubly embarrassed! How much more of a carbon footprint (I used politically correct verbiage for you so you don't need to run to your safe space) does one of those trucks have vs. a Prius, which won't carry the gear you need to get out and enjoy the rugged wild? Maybe we should all stay at home, cowering under the blankets in order to "save" the planet?
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flag agrohardtail (Aug 17, 2022 at 7:18) (Below Threshold)
 @PACNW-MTB: don't forget it was shipped half way across the world, and probably going to be shipped back soon
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 @PACNW-MTB: no one doubts there are lots of dumbheads here in Germany - probably a higher percentage amongst those listening to rammstein. Unfortunately this is not a national problem... Our continent is stuck in obsolete patterns of thinking just like yours, I'm afraid.
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 @PACNW-MTB: Sadly we have an us pickup truck trend going on in europe in terms of mountainbikers also fueled by us social media stuff where I see more and more big us trucks. And yes germans are petrolheads.
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 @tofhami: Which Patterns of thinking? The one that says all of humankind should (will) go back to living like cavemen in order to "save" the planet? The one that says virtue-signaling will somehow have a legitimate effect on our issues? The one that believes the entire planet can sustain itself using zero fossil fuels or not have a carbon footprint? keep on living in denial!

By the way, I never called out anyone for being a "dumbhead", I simply pointed out the hypocrisy of todays mainstream narrative that rails against everything, yet has provided no real solutions......

I'm all for realistically tackling the issues that face all of us, I just rarely see any real solutions, just alot of virtue-signaling, hypocritical BS.
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 @onawalk: As of this moment, you have been downvoted by Elon Musk and two of his kids.
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 @z-man: You're jumping to a lot of conclusions, but that's okay by me Smile
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 @MKIIISUPRA: Do you also own a MK3?! If so, I love your garage.
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 @PACNW-MTB: recognizing there's a global emissions problem and having a conversation about curbing consumption is not virtue signaling. Virtue signaling is something like those thin blue line stickers that almost every brodude plasters onto their truck as they drive off half drunk.

You folks making perfect the enemy of good are not here in good faith.
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flag PACNW-MTB (Aug 17, 2022 at 8:11) (Below Threshold)
 @ratedgg13: Please extrapolate on this "climate crisis". GO!
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 @agrohardtail: It's pretty common. Look at used Teslas. They usually have high kilometerages. Mine is at 120K, with way less repairs and problems than my last ICE. And I plan using it until it falls apart. I must drive around 40K per year. You also save a lot of money with an EV in that case.
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flag PACNW-MTB (Aug 17, 2022 at 8:17) (Below Threshold)
 @sspiff: Please extrapolate on "global emissions problem" with some facts and how the globe will realistically reduce consumption and, at the same time, satiate the almost 8 billion people's appetite for everything convenient that makes their life, "better" or that society has deemed, "essential". GO!
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 The environmental impact of driving a 30 year old truck is much less than buying a new Tesla or Mercedes
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 @salespunk: That is rarely taken into consideration when this discussion pops up. Todays' vehicles are produced to be thrown away. I was at the local Dodge dealer the other day and overheard a discussion between the Service Manager and customer. Customer had a three year old jeep with a bad motor. Service Manager told him it had to be replaced, no rebuild option. I drive a 2007 Dodge Ram 2500 diesel. I bought it new in '07. It has 200,000 MILES on it, averages 19 MPG and I have no plan on replacing it any time soon. Compare that to the numbers we see here in this thread (people saying 120,000 KILOMETERS is HIGH mileage?) and common sense dictates that the lifelong "carbon footprint" of my truck is much less than THREE electric vehicles..... **SIGH**
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 American continent stuck in 1972? A couple of those vehicles are German-made, bud. Including the biggest tank of them all.
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 @silvanoe: It used to be that 25000 km a year here was considered average(that may be increasing as our commutes get longer as we move further from city cores). At that distance it becomes a hard decision between gas/diesel/electric. The up front costs of a gas vehicle vs. diesel/electric is much less, so it comes down to a personal decision on the environment, because at low mileage you will not save enough to pay for the price difference.
Nissan Versa $17300 plus taxes 6L per 100 km 25000 km per year 2.00 per litre gas = $3,000 per year gas
Nissan Leaf $39500 plus taxes
39500-17300 = 22000 / 3000 year = 7.4 years before any payback. For simplicity not including cost of electricity(maybe you get it free at work) or time value of money. Perhaps the electric cost would be similar to the maintenance on car(if you actually do what is needed not what dealership says)

Since most people dont keep their cars that long it is not worth the electric car.
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 @PACNW-MTB: Plus there are many other things that would cause man made climate change. commercial farming practices which cause desertification is a problem, Urban sprawl and the creation of concrete jungles which produce heat domes is a problem, yet somehow all we discuss is carbon emissions, it's ridiculous. The solution by the progressive left is to regulate Gas and oil out of existence, while producing tons of windmills, and solar panels made in China, and what powers these manufacturing facilities? Coal! The political green energy movement is 100% about control, not carbon emission solutions.
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 @bonfire: it was in your dreams that kind of fuel economy on a dodge 3500
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 @mikelevy: The guy that downvoted your comment was definitely from the government.
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 @PACNW-MTB: I don't know what big trucks have to do with a developed society or high standard of living. It's just a pattern of thinking: It is influenced by fin de ciècle upper class, when cars where an expression of wealth.
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 Was it environmentally bad if I popped some corn before reading through this thread?
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flag kleinschuster (Aug 17, 2022 at 9:49) (Below Threshold)
 @bashhard: your country's shortsightedness sucking the Russian teat and thinking nuclear is a problem not a solution is contributing significantly more to environmental issues than the trucks people chose to drive around North America. Understood you have not directly pushed for that initiative but you're fighting a fight that will not realize the gains you are hoping for. Again, I think you should review the breakdown of transportation contributions to C02 emissions and realize where efforts should be focused if you want to actually make a difference not just virtue signal on the web.

Here you'll see passenger cars are 8x light truck emissions. Light trucks are lower than aviation, shipping, and medium/heavy trucks.
www.statista.com/statistics/1185535/transport-carbon-dioxide-emissions-breakdown

Here is a good start on emissions per sector, transportation is half of what power generation is:
www.statista.com/statistics/276480/world-carbon-dioxide-emissions-by-sector
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 @marge88: Maybe @bonfire confused kilometers with miles. 62*30 = 18.6 which is reasonable.
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 @zephxiii: Waaait a minute. What kind of oil did you use? If air popped did you use solar or hydro generated electricity?
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 @tofhami: you don’t know how big trucks are necessary for our standard of living?
Ever seen a road built with a Prius?
Does the guy that fixes your roof drive a Tesla?
Would it be practical for Amazon to deliver your iphone in a Nissan Leaf? How about your 80” TV?
How do you think the food you eat gets to the store?
Ever moved residences in a prius?
Do you own a bed? A dining table? A sofa?
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 @delongdrew: Isnt the duramax 3.0L rated at 30mpg? Not towing of course.

17mpg towing is pretty damn decent. My land cruiser gets that while falling off a cliff with a tail wind.
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 @kleinschuster: Don’t bring your “facts” to a debate about marketing.
That’s what we are arguing here, ones beliefs based on the marketing that they have put their faith behind.
The powers that be, on all sides of the debate are just trying to sway public opinion with as little real information as possible. Give us some new religion to believe in, make us think that buying new, more fuel efficient or even electric cars are going to save the planet, all while consuming more. Everyone has a vested interest, and trying to unravel it is near impossible.
For the ones in the back…
Build em, modify em, rod em, have fun with em, restore em, fix em, maintain em,drive the ever loving shit out of em, Just stop buying new ones!
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 @z-man: I think you are assuming a lot with @MKIIISUPRA and his truck. If he can build and maintain his older vehicle using recycled or NA made parts I would say that is better overall for the environment. Add to that his use case may be totally different than yours - living on a farm and/or working in construction where a truck is needed. His BC driving conditions are probably a big difference in terms of emission output than say an idling ICE in traffic or stop and going in congestion in a more urban area like me in NJ / metro NYC.

And try getting a modern electric car fixed in certain locations. I've heard that the Mach E has a 2-3 day shop time to update the software. His Chevy can be back on the road with a stop at the local parts store or with items he probably has at his house.

Finally, there has been little said on about costs. That 6.7 SuperDuty is similar in price to an electric but there is a big difference between an '80's GM truck and a new electric vehicle especially one that can take on truck duties.

The EPA link is a worthwhile look. One item I would question is the amount of charging stations. I believe the Tesla stations are a large part of that number and it is more difficult for non-Tesla's to charge there. Matt Farah has noted on his Smoking Tire podcast that he has had a number of difficult experiences with the charging of his Mach E (which he seems to really enjoy) on roadtrips. Stations have had broken hardware, software or in really sketchy areas that might not feel safe to go to. He also noted on a trip to a Las Vegas hotel that some cars just "park" at the station overnight. I know there are some growing pains and the electric charging structure will get better but it is a factor.
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 @SacAssassin: For what it's worth I have a 3.0 Duramax in my GMC AT4. My average is about 23mpg typically. I've never hit the max rating in any condition in 35,000 miles.
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 @PACNW-MTB: I've lived and worked all over the world, and the overwhelming majority of countries get by just fine without north american sized trucks. I've been off roading in a Prius in Mongolia, most farmers in the UK and New Zealand get by with much smaller trucks, and most tradies the world over use small cargo vans rather than pickups. Giant trucks like we've become accustomed too are a convenience - a very cool and fun convenience - but an unnecessary one.
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 This entire conversation is laughable. This is a MTB website, just enjoy the pictures of the cool trucks.
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 @warmerdamj: But I want to argue with strangers on the internet......
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 @marge88: I drive a Ram 2500 diesel and regularly see 22+ mpg on the highway
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 @warmerdamj: you are missing the point of the comments section.
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 @ratedgg13: unnecessary? Who decides what is necessary? Trudeau? Biden? Dr. Fauci?

Look at the global carbon footprint of mountain biking. Is mountain biking necessary?

Sounds like you want to keep your cake and eat it too!

That was my point from the beginning. If we want to have a REAL discussion about reducing human impact, we need to get REAL honest and quit circle-jerking and spending trillions of dollars on things that won’t amount to two shakes of piss.
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 @PACNW-MTB: great line of thinking. I completely agree. I'd say what's necessary are the infrastructure and equipment to sustain human life in "reasonable" comfort (whatever that may be). I'm not going to preach at you much, because you're right - I along with everyone else on pinkbike indulges in some things that are unnecessary. But I think we both know that the environmental impact of an f350 (for example) is greater than that of any bicycle. Otherwise, I'd love to hear what you think about the realistic options are for reducing human impacts.
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 @PACNW-MTB: mountain biking is definately necessary.
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 @JohSch Maybe growth has limits, but peoples greed has none. In general most people will take everything they can grab, it's like universe works in general - weak are getting eaten, strong must fight every day to stay on top. And they will not be ashamed of that, I can assure you. You live in some idealistic society, but I have a sad message for you - you will not save the world because people who are greedy will always defeat you. So why not just enjoy life while waiting for this civilisation to collapse? Eat some meat, take a flight, buy shoes made by children in Cambodia, ride a v8 pickup to the trails, don't be a looser.
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 @Saucycheese: Highly recommend checking out Trek's sustainability review; the bikes aren't really the problem. it's the flying + road trips people take to ride their bikes that blow the bike production numbers out of the water: nsmb.com/articles/lessons-trek-sustainability-report
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 @salespunk: Yeah so pretty far off 30mpg average fully loaded pulling a trailer. What mpg do you do with your ram when you are pulling a camper (on average, not cruising on the highway)?
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 @ratedgg13: Who determines realistic? You? Me? Trudeau? Biden? Fauci?

Your comparison of an F350 to a mtb is flawed. The proper comparison would be F350 to Prius or EV. I’d be willing to bet the true difference is marginal and that’s without factoring in capabilities/uses for each. If you can provide data to the contrary, I’m all ears! I use my 2007 Ram 2500 diesel for work, delivering industrial-sized items to customers that produce gravel and concrete for our roads and buildings, our food, our processed petroleum products, boats that fight fires and clean up oil spills, aluminum, etc. I also use it to pull a trailer that carries model aircraft that I enjoy flying, it also carries a camper that I enjoy using to explore all that the PNW has to offer. I own a home and prefer to do my own home maintenance, which occasionally requires picking up lumber, water heaters, drywall, appliances, furniture, etc. Did I mention how convenient it is when I want to load a few buddies and their bikes for a good shred? You’ll be hard pressed to show me how a Prius could cover all of those things with a smaller carbon footprint.
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 @PACNW-MTB: there is no one person that decides. It's part of a broader societal conversation that will have to happen - and some people will end up being unhappy with what gets decided, there's no way around that. I'm intentionally not choosing comparable examples, because it's not my role to decide. Instead, what I'm trying to point to is that we are all going to have to make some sacrifices. It's a tough and unhappy truth.
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 @ratedgg13: what I’m trying to point out is that humans have proven (and continue to prove it every day through their actions, not their words) that they (we) are not willing to compromise in a manner that will improve things (ecologically) in any kind of appreciable way, forcing SOMEONE to make those decisions for us. Who will that person be? Will those decisions really fix any problems, or will they simply be a band-aid, and what cost will they have on our freedom? Risk/reward must always be considered.
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 @JohSch: you have no idea what you are talking about in regards to the oil sands. All you know is what the media and movie stars tell you.
Have a look at what the production of lithium batteries leaves in tailings ponds.
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 @d-man: movie stars? Are considered a relevant source of information in North America?

Probably better then all these fake news and stolen elections everywhere on "the media"...
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flag PACNW-MTB (Aug 17, 2022 at 14:08) (Below Threshold)
 @JohSch: that’s a funny way to say you don’t have a clue!
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 @PACNW-MTB: If this is an area you're genuinely interested in, I'd recommend a book called Climate Leviathan. I looks at different governance models around the world, and which ones might be most effective in addressing some of the issues we are facing. I don't LIKE some of the conclusions they draw, but its pretty hard to argue with the logic and evidence they present.
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 @carters75: This is the content I come for....well that and bikes. 23mpg isnt to shabby.
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 @SacAssassin: Man I am so far behind on the comments. Who's winning? How many minds were changed today? Should I refill my popcorn? Big Grin
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 @MKIIISUPRA: at least your truck has the classic 'I'm going to steal your woman, and I may or may not let you live' vibe going on. The Ford in question has the 'I want to give the impression that I'm going to steal your woman and I may or may not let you live, but I'm actually a software engineer from Kitsilano.' vibe instead. Similar yet soooooo different Wink
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 @ratedgg13: I don't see the elites and country leaders choosing not to fly around in jets, choppers and yachts but yet tell us we have to change our lifestyles.
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 @wake-n-rake: Dammit son, you win the analogy contest right there. Kudos. ;-)
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 @d-man: Oh yeah, thats a huge problem. No argument from me there. As someone who used to work at fairly senior levels of government, the crap of words vs actions is nauseating. All that being said, I still think its worth trying to make a difference, because I'd rather have hope that we can still make things better, than resign ourselves and do nothing.
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 @ratedgg13: sorry, I read the summary and couldn’t get past, “ How climate change will affect our political theory—for better and worse
Despite all the science and summits, leading capitalist states have not managed to mitigate anything close to an adequate level of carbon emissions.”
Before my BS meter went ape shit crazy. Before I spend any time diving in any deeper than I already have, I need to see the data set that can quantify anthropogenic climate change. I’ve searched high and low and cannot find that info anywhere. We all know climate change is real (just ask the dinosaurs), but we need to know how much of it is attributed to man before we can embark on expensive, intrusive programs to “fix” it, with no data to be able to measure the effectiveness of such measures. I’m not convinced that man has a significant impact on Mother Nature’s course, so it is my opinion that no matter what we do, no matter how much we spend, it won’t have any real value and just serves the virtue signalers to feel better. I only deal in facts, if you can provide facts that show I’m wrong, I’ll gladly jump in and work on solutions.
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 As I type this there are roughly 1.5million big rig trucks in America either burning less than 10mpg on the highway or idling at truck stops or warehouses consuming nearly 47 billion gallons of diesel annually all because those shoes from Amazon are cheaper than the ones at the store 3 blocks away. Next we’ll look at container ships and then commercial and private planes.

In the meantime I’d better sell my perfectly tuned 1 ton diesel truck that has run flawlessly for 649,567km and buy a new electric car because my 30mpg embarrassment that I use for travelling to bike parks rather than flying is destroying the world.
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 @PACNW-MTB: You and I are the exact same page (so to speak). The guilt complex foisted upon the general populace re climate change is truly something to behold. It doesn't take a heck of a lot of critical thinking and observation to find the cracks in the conventional climate change narrative. Among other narratives. But I digress.
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 @d-man: and if the elites were so worried about the oceans rising, why did Gore, Obama, & Pelosi all by ocean front property at 10’s of millions of dollars? It’s all political theater.
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 Buy. Fricken voice to text,
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 @mikelevy: Connection with nature? Not after a comment like that. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest a closer connection to the micro-penis crowd that is unconscious regarding anything beyond their own instant gratification.

I've driven big trucks for work, they do have a place. But driving around in a crew cab f450, using it like a family sedan screams poser so loud people in the next town over will go deaf.

I don't care if you can afford it, the rest of the world cannot. Just get a bumper sticker that proclaims you have a small dick and a lot of money. Hey! The chicks are gonna find out anyway. Just be honest up front and stop f-ing up the world for no reason.
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 @PACNW-MTB: hey, that's totally fair. I'm not a climate scientist or climate modeler (though I do work with many). I'd suggest starting with this:
climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus
I'd note that there is no such thing is "proof" because even commonly accepted ideas like gravity and evolution are only theories. And some of the "facts" and data presented are well beyond my intellectual capability to comprehend.
If a bunch of nerdy scientists aren't a good resource (they suck at communicating to people like you and I), how about Exxon Mobil?
corporate.exxonmobil.com/Sustainability/Environmental-protection/Climate-change
I'd also suggest that if the world's biggest insurance companies think climate change is real - and negatively impacting their profits - they're probably on to something:
www2.deloitte.com/us/en/pages/financial-services/articles/insurance-companies-climate-change-risk.html
If you want to discuss more, I'm totally open and happy to, just send me a DM.
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 @mikelevy: Sorry Mike, I love sports cars and other stupid vehicles too, but no.

Did it ever occur to you that the attitude you're so vocally trying to defend is literally the reason why the planet is in such a mess? That exact way of egregiously wasteful and desastrously environmentally harmful behaviour is the reason why we are staring several end-of-the-world type climate scenarios right in the face. Anthropogenic climate change will eventually kill us if we don't do something about it. And that's why this isn't a matter of personal choice anymore. It can't be because the survival of billions depends on all of us finally starting to act responsibly. Playtime is over, everyone needs to get their shit together now. Even Billy Bob.

Everyone (morally) has to be held accountable to the degree of their own responsibility. If you can do something, anything, to make a difference, you are morally obligated to. Because if every single one of us doesn't, the consequences are dire.

If that level of personal responsibility includes not driving a brodozer that wastes an egregious amount of resources and causes catastrophic damage to the environment, then so be it. Therefore it's perfectly fine and completely reasonable to judge and condescend Billy Bob for his big, dumb truck.

And BTW: Whataboutism isn't going to help the cause.
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 @danger13: My argument with you is simple, the way you express your opinions and to some degree the opinions themselves makes you a bad person. You're a bad person. Time to look in the mirror and square up with yourself, no matter how badly you think you're correct doesn't make how you're acting correct.
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 @ratedgg13: there is no chance of a future soon without big diesel engines.
Maybe not for personal/leisure use, but the world economy is geared towards just in time delivery. And for that you need commercial haulage, real trucks (not the pick-ups that are called trucks.) Electric engines might be the go-to for inner city work, but they won't work for long distance haulage. We might see diesel-electric hybrids here in this sphere, like on trains.
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 @PACNW-MTB: sorry, you chose the wrong person to discuss this Wink

I own a cycle logistics company, basically everything can be transported by cargobikes. My employees have moved residencies for customers, we have delivered for Amazon, we have delivered food to stores, even 60" TVs are delivered by bike here.
Even carpenters can do 90% of their job with cargobikes only, ex-employees of mine have founded a pretty business with that.

Anyways, trucks shown in this article are privately owned, and absolutely useless for any kind of practical work. You can't build roads with them, no amazon delivery was made with them, no shop gets food from them...
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 @tofhami: Why did I pick the wrong person to have a discussion with? Is that some kind of way to project that I was wrong and you are right? LOL. Never did I say that any of those things COULDN'T be done in other ways, even with bicycles (LOL). Read the words, I was speaking about the worldwide population, not an infinitesimal number of people that hire cargobikes.

Get back to me when a meaningful amount of what makes the world go around is accomplished with truly green energy and then we can have a chat. I won't be holding my breath.
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flag BlindMan77 (Aug 18, 2022 at 7:25) (Below Threshold)
 @Muscovir: Zero proof to everything you just said. Climate has changed on planet earth without the existence of humans for billions of years, it's no different now with humans.
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 @BlindMan77: hey, I'd highly recommend you look at the links I just posted above. If you don't believe climate scientists, it's worth noting that every major oil and gas company on earth believes anthropogenic climate change is real, and almost all of them have information on their websites like the link I provided from ExxonMobil.
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 @Phlippie: no argument there. There's certainly some huge technology gaps right now. Some solutions may require society to adapt - for instance, do we really need 1 day delivery, or can we reduce emissions by streamlining and slowing the shipping systems a little. I don't have the answers, but I'll suggest things will be solved by a combination of societal shifts and technology.
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flag BlindMan77 (Aug 18, 2022 at 7:32) (Below Threshold)
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 @BlindMan77: LOL Nasa's article versus wattsupwiththat.com. Do both seem like totally legit sources to "do your own research"?

Or perhaps is one weighted a little higher for reliability and scientific credibility?
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 @BlindMan77: yeah, I'm not gonna take single a 5 year old blog article (or his conspiracy theory website) written by an internet random as evidence, against the complied work of NASA, the Intergovernmental panel on climate change (actual, you know, scientists?), the world's major fossil fuel companies, the world's major insurance companies, and most major governments.
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 @marge88: with a tuner set on eco for highway driving averages over the trip. Thing was excellent. I paid the fuel bill.
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 @Muscovir: "Did it ever occur to you that the attitude you're so vocally trying to defend is literally the reason why the planet is in such a mess?" - The planet is not a mess because of me or Billy Bob's truck, and I'm not nearly as doom and gloom as you are. You make me sound like I'm out burning my trash and dumping oil in the rivers, which I stopped doing last year btw. Small steps.
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 @mikelevy: If Mike Levy dumps oil in a river and no one sees it, did it really happen? Proof dammit LOL.
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 @tofhami: lol, moving things with bicycles? Good for you, but I would like to see you Move a fridge, washer dryer on a cargo bike in Canada in the winter.
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 @d-man: They do have the trike delivery bikes here in Vancouver and they could deliver a single fridge or stove. But definitely not in most Canadian cities from October to March.
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 @fabwizard: so delivery of a single appliance up into a neighborhood 20kms away from the store would take a few hours at best. Not very efficient and does the second person ride a bike too since it takes 2 people to move an appliance safely.
Might get one job done a day and make pennies.
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 @ratedgg13: the article was written at the University of Alabama, and the research was supported by the U.S. Department of Energy.
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 @Muscovir: it really won't....even the worst case scenarios in the IPCC (which allow for no mitigation efforts at all which is just not realistic) don't feature any sort of human extinction events. There is a deep disconnect between the hysteria and the reality. In reality there will be some climate issues but most if not all of these can and will be solved by human ingenuity. Humans going extinct is not a realistic outcome of the current global warming trends.

People need to stop buying into hysteria on both sides of this argument.
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 @mikelevy: yes Mike....dig those heels in! I want to taste their moany tears of environmental sadness. I greatly appreciate this content. Jason Camissa is fantastic.
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 @BlindMan77: And the analysis in the blog post was by someone who has no idea what the article actually says, and cherry picked data and re-interpreted it to a meaning they wanted. So don't trust their interpretation, go read the article for yourself.

Now keep in mind, I am NOT a climate scientist or modeller, but do work in this space, so I have to work on this type of work on a daily basis. My read of this article is as follows:

The authors tried to smooth 15 years of climate data, and remove all natural variability - a VERY questionable strategy given the noted volcanic eruptions. They then used this data to try and figure out why there was a difference between observed temperature data and the CMIP-5 climate model (a now outdated model). Their findings are roughly that the co2 sensitivity value in the CMIP-5 data (aka the number someone programmed into the model) is too high, however they dedicate section 3.C. to discussing reasons why they might be wrong. They conclude that there is also a possibility the CMIP-5 model may have significant errors in how it is designed. This, we typically call the scientific process, where we find errors in our research and data, and go back to try and figure out what mistakes we have made and rectify them as possible. Hence everyone using CMIP-6 now (among others), which is a better albeit still flawed climate model.

I hope this helps.
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 @humoroususername: His videos are always unreal - tons of knowledge, enthusiasm, and humor. Incredible filming as well. I end up watching all his stuff, even if I have zero interest in whatever he's driving. Remember when we had to wait for Top Gear for this level of content? Crazy.
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 @mikelevy: I am thinking at this point you are enjoying this thread lol. You keep throwing more fuel on the fire!
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 @d-man: Actually inner city delivery is much less, 2-5 kms . And depending on location one person is fine for delivery.

What is needed is better designed electric trikes that can deliver larger loads etc(maybe allow more power for delivery vehicles)
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 @bashhard: exactly. the argument that all forms of environmental damage are the same (i.e. buying a carbon bike vs using a huge truck for daily driver that gets 10 miles per gallon), is like saying all forms of criminal activity are the same (petty theft vs murder) which they are not. no one is perfect but of course there are different extremes and if we all tried just a little harder, our collective future grandkids and great grandkids can hopefully enjoy MTB in the woods like we do....
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 @powderhoundbrr: that fuel being common sense.
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 @mikelevy: Well said Levy. If someone doesn't like trucks, don't get a truck. Some people do like trucks. People are such Karen's these days, constantly telling others why they should live their lives differently. Who cares, some dude with a truck is not the cause of pollution in the environment. Vast vast majority comes from manufacturing and specifically a few large countries but there seems to be an effort to take the focus off that and put it onto the individual. We all care about the environment, but that dude with a rigged out truck is not the problem. As they say to kids, keep your nose in your own business lol.
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 @DylanH93: all these little Karens are kids and all they know is other people's business. It's literally their whole f*cking lives now, following and being immersed in others people's lives.
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 @fabwizard: ok, fair enough and proves my point that the service has major limitations. It does have its benefits for the right use like mail, groceries in a niche inner curry market. In 95% of the rest of the province it doesn't work.
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 @d-man: Yes but to note that likely 95% of the population is in that area. so if we can service 95% of the population that is still a giant step.
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 @tfriesenftr: Since you are posting on this, a bicycle site, I am going to presume that you actually ride a bike at least once in a while. If that's true then you should know, from personal experience, the difference between breathing the exhaust from a gasoline vehicle and a diesel.
No exhaust is good to breathe, but diesel is unbelievably bad. It's the dirtiest fuel, burned in a manner that produces the most particulates.
My personal feeling is that diesel should only be allowed for large industrial vehicles where it works the best, but no personal vehicles should be diesel.
Europe enacted regulations that favored turbo-diesel engines which came to dominate many markets. In the long run this has proven to be a public health disaster, with respiratory illnesses skyrocketing.
As cyclists, we shouldn't be contributing to the problem any more than we absolutely have to.

If we all act with a conscious we'll make a real difference. Those among us who are indifferent to every thing beyond themselves need to get a clue as to the state of the world. I'm not saying this to slam you personally, but to give the perspective of a different world view.
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 @mikelevy: I just realized that Levy gives no shits because all he does is desert and gravel riding nowadays. Think about it, when was the last time we saw him riding bikes in the woods?

That's it. Case cracked. He's gunning for BC to look like Sedona--then he doesn't need to travel for the field test every winter.
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 @carters75: I've got Silverado 1500 with the 3.0 and average 26 mpg in the summer. I've hit 35mpg on a 40 mile work commute if I try stick to some hypermiling strategies. It's kind of fun to see how high you can average... coasting and a little lower interstate speeds makes a huge difference.
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 @scott-townes: why is this down voted. People are absurd.
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 Hell yeah@kleinschuster:
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 @sspiff: You ever been to the Okanagan valley?
We’ve got our own Sedona, just less healing crystal shops
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 Sweet rig@MKIIISUPRA:
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 @heatproofgenie: Thank the Germans (VW) first about diesel pollution. They literally dumped more then 40x the amount of pollutants into the atmosphere because of there bullshit. Think about that, 40x of NO2. 6years of 40x before they were caught, do the math. It would take all these modified trucks decades to catch up to VW pollution.They should have been shut down for good in my opinion and all responsible should have been arrested for crimes against humanity.
Also, there's no real connection of NO2 causing cancer, there is a bunch of articles pointing to it causing inflammation in the airways and causing asthma like symptoms.
You also need to look and see that medium to heavy-duty trucks account for about 26% of CO2 emissions while passenger cars are above 40% of total emissions. Electric vehicles as of now are no better and potentially worse, unless they figure out better and safer battery tech/manufacturing and a way to not make the vehicles a disposal product which they are since they can't be serviced by an average Joe with mechanical experience. They also weigh as much as these large pickups.

Your cancer can thank all modern pollutants, your brake pad dust, the rubber dust from tires, the heavy metal particles kicked up by cars traveling down the road..the list goes on and on. Big lifted trucks are not the problem, your clearly compensating because you got a small penis and want people to think you're more intelligent. That's why you are at odds with the lifted truck crew..who has the smallest penis with the biggest ego.
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 @rexluthor: Assuming you don't work anywhere near or around the construction industry. These trucks, driven by a*sholes as you say are responsible for getting workers, materials, and tools to job sites. Jobsites that would eat up any other vehicles. Sure some trucks are for fun but guarantee that most are used for what they were intended for which is hauling heavy shit into difficult areas. I guess everyone thinks their countries are built and maintained using sedans and hatchbacks driven by guys with big dicks..lol so many people stuck in their little green make-believe world where everything exists because of magic and good will.
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 @MikeGruhler: total bs. Europe and other regions are doing fine without those trucks. A sprinter type van is way more versatile and efficient than us pickup trucks.
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 @mountainyj: Funny, I spend $30 in electricity to earn between 130-200 mining crypto. I've done the math, there's no way in hell I can earn that much from such a little about of time/money. That $30 is worth an hr of my time working. For me to work that hour I need to drive a medium size commercial van for 30mins, use battery operated tools and produce a good amont of physical waste. I find the energy use of mining argument very flawed. There's almost no way for an average wage person to earn that kind of return for there efforts. POS is a Ponzi scheme.
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 @MikeGruhler: I disagree. Most materials are delivered by the supplier not the trades. Most guys get out of their F350 with a cooler lunch box and a tool tote/bag/bucket that would all fit in even the smallest car. and they drive there alone via 1 hour commute..

Yes the welders show up with a welding rig in their back of their truck but the majority of the trucks are empty.

Most Trucks here are used to haul once a year and never see off road. But really no different than all the muscle/sports cars. Just giant penis extensions. We can get away with much smaller engines and still get ourselves/supplies to work.
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 @z-man: how have you felt the pain of climate change? Are you a farmer in Canada? Seriously.
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 @MKIIISUPRA: I dig the square body brother! Nothing better then driving something you built with your 2 hands. You get mileage then my 2021 Ram work van that is driven at sea level without a hill in sight.
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 @tofhami: Carpenters on bikes! That's a new one, not a chance in hell I could do my job from a bike. I would need a bike the size of a van. Don't get me started on rainy weather and all the big trucks trying to run me over with there little dicks!
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 @sophisticatedhonky: because actual facts and pursuing initiatives that will result in measurable changes are not purview of the progressive shifted internet warriors too wrapped up in virtue signaling to their cult.
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 @fabwizard: Oh, thanks for clearing that up. Guess I must have been seeing things these past 30yrs working residential and commercial construction.
You really have no clue or experience in construction do you?
I mean if you work on a computer then you should never leave your home, right? Just go ahead and sell your car.
See.. I to can come up with generalisations about a group of workers without any experience in said field of work. I drive a big ass van, loaded with everything needed to build a f*cking home. I pick up all my own materials and tools. That's what a majority of construction workers do, why would a company pay for delivery when they can do it themselves for a fraction of the cost. The field of construction is far and wide, and a lot of times they need big trucks, vans and more to get the job done. If they do have small dicks then at least they got balls to do the hard work most of you are afraid of or physically unable to do. You really should consider painting construction workers in a different light. Without them your helpeless little world would literally fall apart.
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 @KalkhoffKiller: No, that's not Bull Shit. So are there items that don't fit in vans? Are those vans capable of hauling 20000lbs through thick sand or lose dirt? Stop comparing apples to oranges. We're not Europe, not even close. I drive a one of those vans, it gets less then 16mpg, plenty of big tucks with more capabilities and better fuel mileage. You really should compare fuel efficiency before you try that argument, you sound like you have no idea what you're saying. Most full size gasoline trucks get better fuel mileage then those supposedly better vans. The only thing better about a van is your items stay dry if it rains and they are slightly more secure for your cargo.
It's amazing how simple minded these arguments are..[caveman voice] Oh, big truck bad, small truck gooood! Van even gooder!
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 @sspiff: Shit, you got me! Do you know what I hate? Trees!
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 @MikeGruhler: What's so different about us geology than europe one? Are you trying to tell me US pickups are some sort of rocket science, that can do stuff that european cars can't do? lol

This can do everything more efficiently than any us pickup monster:

www.mercedes-fans.de/thumbs/img/News/31/89/01/p/p_normal/neue-felgen-fuer-den-arbeitsalltag-kiruna-offroad-felgen-von-vansports-fuer-den-mercedes-sprinter-319-cdi-4x4-18931.jpg

if you need more power and off-road capabilities:

www.autoscout24.de/cms-content-assets/ll-gallery/migration-de-de-439932-439945-2014-11-12_-_grenzbereich_mitdemunimogimgelnde_-_unimog_verschrnkung-640.jpg

Usually our infrastructure is that good that we don't need that offroad capabilities. That's just some marketing shit all those manly male man guys fall into.
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 @MikeGruhler: Well, the company I run is just finishing a 250,000 square foot warehouse construction and TI build out.

And looking out my window, wait what is that, empty trucks. All our site supplies all delivered on large trucks.

Wait did my sedan with no clearance drive through the site without being jacked up and monster wheels, yes no problem.

And I am just behind you in experience, 27 years.

Note your van is likely more efficient than those monster trucks. I used to drive a E350 with a 4 ft extension on propane rated at 5500 gvw. That got great fuel economy and quite clean environmentally I believe
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 @fabwizard: 95%of the population does not live within 5 km of downtown Vancouver.
Try riding that trike with a fridge to n van.
You do what's good for you and don't worry about everyone else.
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 @d-man: um I would just ship from north Vancouver.

And yes I know it's not 95% I just used that number as that was what was claimed the other way.

But it is likely over 80%.
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 @fabwizard:
Here's another fact for you, my crew cab ram 3500 gets 11l/100km for mileage. Small trucks and SUVs don't do much better.
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 @fabwizard: ok, your point? I said earlier construction is a far and wide field of work. To apply such a basic argument about your particular situation or even my own is to limited to make such blanket statements about what is or isn't hauled to what job site. I haul everything I need to my jobs. Wish I had a big truck sometimes but the van wins out because of rain. My work van gets shit milage compared to a F350 which gets 20-26mpg. These aren't monster trucks, there is a use for them and yes a lot of idiots drive them and will never see the dirt.
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 @KalkhoffKiller: you're talking a lot of shit. A large sprinter with a high cab and long wheelbase is pretty damn heavy on fuel too. They have huge wind resistance to overcome. They are great vehicles but being way better for the environment is a pretty naive argument.
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 @KalkhoffKiller: i say this as someone who owns a U400 Unimog.....do you actually think a Unimog is more fuel efficient than an f350? Have you seen the price of tyres for Unimogs? Our Unimog burns approximately 35l/100km or which is about 6 US mpg. Its a great vehicle for what we do with it and its actually more efficient than a normal tractor like a John Deere or Case but you really don't know what you are talking about if you think a Unimog is an alternative to an F350.
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 @humoroususername:

www.fuelly.com/car/ford/f-350_super_duty/2021

www.fuelly.com/car/mercedes-benz/sprinter

Unimog is not needed in germany. You guys were making the argument that the us pickups have better off road capabilities which is questionable and irrelevant as neither of our countries are like the siberian tundra.
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 @MikeGruhler: I really need to straiten this to "90% of their job". These guys transport all the materials to their construction sites in the beginning. With a truck, obviously. After that, they only need to bring tools, small parts etc. It needs a bit more planning, yet in a city centre this can pay off easily.
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 @KalkhoffKiller: those links kind of prove my point. The f350 seems to be in around 14mpg vs 21mpg for the sprinter. That's not exactly a catastrophic difference is it?

Remind me... what's the towing capacity of a Sprinter? It's 7500lbs. What's the towing capacity of an f350 super duty? 32,000lbs....most builders I know will tow Bob cats, mini diggers, cement mixers, etc and all would be overweight easily with a Sprinter.
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 @humoroususername: You are always trying to project this american big car fetish as the only feasibly way to run things, which is laugheable when I take a look at your infrastructural and political sheanigans. The vast majority of these bigass trucks are not used buy `builders` who tow loads of 320000lbs constantly. That`sj just some made up bullshit to justify driving these pointless cars.

All us pickup trucks I see in europe are clearly joyride cars. I didn`t see one that looked like it was used for construction work. Last one I saw was carrying two dh bikes to look cool.
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 @KalkhoffKiller: i hate to break this to you but I'm not from America. I'm in Ireland.

You are delusional if you think most pick ups are sold for recreation. Sure, that market has been growing over the last 5 years but the vast majority of pickups in Europe are sold to farmers and construction workers. Go to any road construction site and you will see Toyota Hilux everywhere. Go to a Mart or meat factory and you will see Dmax and Hilux absolutely everywhere. I have a Dmax because I tow 3.5 tonne (the maximum legal limit in most of Europe) every day. All the contractors who come in to me every day have Hilux, Navaras, rangers, etc and every single one of them is a work vehicle. You don't have a f*cking clue what you are talking about.

The Dmax is too small really for what I need to tow and something like an f250 or f350 would be perfect as ideally I would tow 5-6 tonnes daily. But because Europe is a f*cking bureaucracy above all else you need a truck license to tow more than 3.5 tonnes and a small truck which is ridiculous. In the US i could buy a F250 and pull as much weight as required easily with a decent trailer with electrically operated braking unlike in Europe where I'm limited to 3.5t and passive braking which is a crap system.

You probably don't even know this but all those big lwb twin wheel sprinters you are talking about actually require a C1 license as they are rated at 5.5 tonnes. If they are rated at 3.5 tonnes then their payload is usually tiny because big vans are heavy.
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 @KalkhoffKiller: what you don't seem to realise is that vehicles like f250 and F350 keep small trucks like 7.5tonne Mitsubishi Canters and Nissan Cabstars off the road as they aren't required to tow big weight unlike in Europe. And an f350 is definitley more fuel efficient than a cab forward small truck.
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 The irony of a German taking a dump on Americans for lifted pickups and totally ignoring the giant Mercedes Unimog is glorious
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 @giveherhell: I made the same observation somewhere up there. It was actually voted down a few times, which, I guess is the world we live in. It’s a perfectly rational observation.
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 @TheR: And how many of those Unimogs are driven daily in Germany? This is not about who makes what, this is about American culture of riding 2x too big cars simply because they can. This is about wealthy people wasting resources just for fun and denying other people questioning this state. Simple as that.
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 @lkubica: "wealthy people wasting resources"

You lads would want to pull your necks in a bit. A Ford F-250 Super Duty starts at $39500. A Mercedes Sprinter chassis cab starts at $45,000.
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 @giveherhell: Thats not a Unimog. Its a 6x6 Actros.
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 @lkubica: Meh. So they enable us, then bitch about us using the product they manufactured?
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 @lkubica: It’s kind of like the crack dealer trying to take the moral high ground over the crack addict.

And also, you think we’re just driving those things around out here?
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 @lkubica: Tell us, what is your excuse for being poor?
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 @TheR: red herring dude. We can all be pretty sure the Germans in this "discussion" aren't the ones manufacturing that monstrosity. Just like you and me don't build F350s for our day jobs.
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 @sspiff: only 50% of German people own their own homes. They have a weird collectivist mentality that seems to give them a superiority complex over other nationalities. It's also led them to doing some pretty obscene stuff throughout their history in the mame of the greater good so I always find taking lessons on morality and how we need to save the world from Germans highly amusing. They always seem to think k they know better than other races and nationalities. I guess that's why they are doing so well at managing their energy needs right now....
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 @sspiff: I don’t think you know what red herring means.
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 @fabwizard: how the f*ckin frig do you think they’re gonna ship it, by thoughts and prayers?

Population of downtown Van, 62,000
Vancouver, 2.6 mil
Bc 5+mil

I see you’re really good with math as well
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 @humoroususername: easy with the broad generalizations there boss
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 @onawalk: no one ever seems to mind broad generalisations when it comes to "rednecks in the south" or people who drive trucks....

This entire thread revolves around certain people generalising truck/pick up owners LOL

In fact almost all Internet discussion devolves into broad generalisations.
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 @humoroususername: I’m prolly both a redneck, and definitely drive a truck, diesel one tonne.
The broad generalizations are poor form, and someone else doing it, isn’t a good justification to do it your self. Rise above it my man, or wallow in it, your choice.
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 @humoroususername: I'm talking about mainland europe and I have a quite good overview because I worked in austria, switzerland, germany and travel in other countries frequently too. I almost never see pickups on constructions sites or construction workers using them. They all use sprinter type or VW T5 vehicles here. You don't need a 4x4 vehicle in central europe because the roads go almost everywhere. The only people who seem to use pickups are farmers/hunters and people who use them as recreational vehicles but don't really need them. I have a hunting license myself and apart from the alps you don't even need a 4x4 in germany because the roads in the woods can be driven with almost any car. And in winter we barely have snow long enough to justify a 4x4. And the people who really have to go off road are hunters that use suzuki jimnys because the landowners around here don't bother with going off-road. Instead they build a big ass firereroad to where they have to go, even in the alps.

The us pickup truck trend in europe is driven by recreational 'needs'. It picked up 5-10 years ago. Before these vehicles were extremely rare and not sold directly in europe.
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 God I wish the overlanding hype and roof tents would die...seen too many parked 5 miles into a 40+ mile stretch of fire road with the owners taking pictures of their car for instagram, only to turn around and go home fully satisfied....wait...maybe that is what I want. Yes, don't keep driving...it sucks the farther you do.
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 Yeah, side by sides are the real problem. I’ll take people creeping up forests roads in their overland rigs over people blasting through them and leaving a tsunami of dust.
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 #doingit #forthegram #vanlife #blessed
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 Wait...so you've actually watched this process multiple times? And you were able to confirm the insta post? And you are criticizing them?

Maybe you should go further than 4.8 miles on the fire road.
  • 5 2
 @jaycubzz: You were that guy I passed weren't you!!! Now it's confirmed.
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 @takeiteasyridehard: lmao I drive an 06 CRV, so yeah, you'd better be passing me.
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 Eagle 5 for the win. I bet it can even get up to plaid speed.
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 this was so cool. More content like this!

I've been looking at a sprinter van since my Element died, but it (the Element) resurrected itself so now I'm stuck with it (270,000 miles of hell and 19 years of not enough oil changes). The thing won't die. I just hate how a decent build on a sprinter or Transit is like $80k.

That being said, I've found a few decent Doge Sprinters used for under $30k, and once the economy collapses I should find one for under $20k.

Another option is like a Chevy Express, which can come with factory AWD. Its just hard/expensive to put a raised ceiling on it.
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 Or you can just replace the K24 motor with a lower mileage motor for peanuts.....and then again in another 15 years....
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 Hondas are basically impossible to kill.
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 @wyorider: Given the state of the rest of the vehicle, it might make more sense to replace the car around the motor
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 @hamncheez: Yeah-eventually that'll be true. But if you get a nice car you'll be all nervous about it. Spend 1000-1500 bucks on a motor and keep throwing your dirty bikes in back and parking up front.
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 I know it speaks to how hopelessly uncool I am, but the Element is on the top of my "I wish they'd bring that vehicle back" list.

They were so practical. So reliable. And, I hate to say it, I actually really liked the way they looked.
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 @atourgates: Nah. The real cool people know. And dream.
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 I own a van upfitting company, and what I'll say is that while it will cost you $45k-$80k for a good build out done by an upfitter, there's no reason you can't do it yourself for $20k (and that's a really nice build).

I'd also encourage you to be weary of the Dodge sprinters. They are often rusted out nightmares with lots of maintenance issues to boot.
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 @fullendurbro: Yes, I've seen my fair share of rust buckets. But the temptation of those pre-2007 diesels that don't have the exhaust systems!
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 I think an Element is really unique. Stay away from Sprinters they rust like they were made in the 80s and parts and labour can be crazy. Older Chevys and Fords are great because everyone knows how to fix them and the parts are cheap.
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 @chrsei: Good to know. So maybe prioritize Chevy Express AWD or GMC Savanah AWD. My dream would be to do a pop top, like this www.coloradocampervan.com/chevy-pop-top but they are over $10k to convert. The price of a van + poptop + camper conversion is now more than just a decent RV!
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 Oh man, what is the phone number for the primer gray sprinter box monster RV?
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 Nothing beats an Unimog, but those Mercs are not too bad.
And no VW T4s? Dissapointing. But I guess those are more an european thing, although they've been replaced by those ugly T5 & T6 nowadays...
I enjoyed the article. Can we have more of these, please?
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 That's my 200sx parked next to the truck ahha!
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 And that's my truck lol! Super nice car. I've had many Toyota Supras, and my friends are mostly on team Datsun/Nissan
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 Sweet!
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 How to transport 100kg of weight? Get a 2 tons truck, that must work.
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 That ford super duty is likely closer to 5 tons...
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 @gnarnaimo: I'd say so
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 No white van with 'Free candy' ... Frown
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 Unfortunately they made me repaint it. Big Grin
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 @bman33: Who did? Your local school district?
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 @takeiteasyridehard: that and the local scout groups. Apparently they found it "creepy" or something. Big Grin
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 @bman33: ....and by "they", you mean the parole board?? lol
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 Some great rigs but that OBS 7.3 is a total gem (we had a 7.3 PSD cab and half F250).

The front end difference between the square body K20 and the big 6.7 stood right out - it looks like the Warn 8274 was used last week while the Ford's winch line doesn't look like it was unspooled yet. I would say the Ford drives much better but truth be told the Chevy's tire wear looks more even.

Smart traveler move is that F-450 ambulance. I'm guessing it goes down the road very well, has ample power/storage/living area and can be easily serviced in any part of North America.

A local riding buddy got a Econoline like the Eagle 5 but with blue accents last year. He brought it up to Mtn Creek last fall and the temps dropped so low one night he had to go to Walmart and get a space heater. Other than that he said it was great to sleep in lol
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 Wish I had a 7.3. Looked into Vegistroke kits a while back for my Excursion but it’s a 6.0, not worth the added trouble.
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 @chacou: Ours had 250k on the odo when we sold it and it still felt strong. Just need to swap the rusty stock bed for a flat bed and fix some cab rust but too many other projects. I feel like people have figured out the issues with 6.0's and they can be made to be powerful and long lasting now. Wish the Excursion was still an option from Ford!
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 That ambulance looks great, but a friend who drove them once told me that there are some things no amount of bleach will get out, and I've steered clear ever since.
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 @defconfour: Yeah, mine has only burned me once, lost the alternator between Crested Butte and Gunnison leaving us stuck for a while on the side of the road. Aside from that it's been ok, but always a little stressed with it while driving, monitoring temps and pressures even after having done a bunch of "bulletproofing". Love the Excursion, it was way cheaper than any van on the market ~3 years ago, but not nearly as easy to do a Vegistroke conversion on the 6.0 as on the 7.3, and in 3 years the kit prices have really gone up (duh)
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 The rope on that 8274 has been ruined and re-spliced a few times lol, it's kinda short now haha. The tires are balanced surprisingly, so on the highway it cruises like a caddy.
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 @MKIIISUPRA: Great build! Done just right IMO :thumbs: I learned to drive on my dad's K20 GMC and Chevy plow trucks and will always have a soft spot for them.

Crazy the down votes you got above. That old Chevy gets 20 MPG and can be rebuilt every few hundred thousand miles with products built in North America so how is that "worse for the environment and that's your MO" smh. And with that GM body on frame platform you could add a hybrid power supply or a more efficient engine down the road. I'd like to see all the stuff the downvoters buy from Amazon and toss when it breaks.
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 I am thinking that is not a z31 300ZX, maybe a 200SX of the same era.
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 Not sure, owner wasn't around, but I love it.
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 @mikelevy: 200SX is a pretty rare car anymore, I can't even think of the last time I saw one. They are pretty cool too.
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 @jeremystclair: Have you seen the prices for restored 70's 240 and 260 Z's.
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 @fabwizard: no kidding. even molested 510's are pulling surprisingly big coin these days. much to my nostalgic chagrin.
  • 1 0
 @fabwizard: Yeah Z prices have gone insane with everything else in the car world lately.
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 @jeremystclair: there was a 240z on BAT that sold for $310k. original, near showroom condition, but still.
  • 5 0
 That's indeed a mid 80's 200SX. (Eurobeat intensifies in the distance)
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 @xy9ine:One highlight of my youth was driving a total custom 510 with I believe a corvette motor dropped in, roll cage and the works that belonged to my manager who sent me to pick up supplies in the next town(16 YO just got license).

Fastest delivery ever.
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 @fabwizard: yeah that sounds sick. i had the hots for them back in the day, though never owned one.
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 Yes 200sx that's mine ahha
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 @mikelevy: G-wagon vs. sand dunes. I think you would appreciate this.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=LtwKO3jIAdk
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 Petrol is still cheap in the US compared to Europe. Love the mirror polished van!
  • 6 0
 What about the Mad max looking black 50's? Truck that Redbull had up by the VIP tent? www.pinkbike.com/photo/23176348
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 @c25porter: That "Mad max looking black 50's? Truck" is a CAR! 4 door sedan, likely on a newer truck chassis, RB probably spent a fortune paying some shop to do the conversion......
  • 7 0
 Spaceballs the recreational vehicle! Also, that squarebody is my favorite. And cheapest to replace parts on by far.
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 Ha! I knew it looked like a 200. I said to myself "someone's gonna get flamed for calling it a 300". Just waded through a hundred comments arguing all sides of the environmental debate to find my vindication.

Nice old classic car. Hope it keeps on rolling!
  • 7 0
 Is that Ramsteins tour bus? I hope they played Crankworx.
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 Rammstein does not get far with one bus... As far as i know, they have something like 25 to 30 buses just for the equipment.
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 @Phipu: according to this comments section we should really be boycotting Rammstein for their carbon footprint.
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 @Phipu: youtu.be/JgGuRKgvWQ4 gives a pretty good idea of how much trucking is required.
  • 6 0
 You missed the best part of the Free Radicals 94 F-250, the One Less Sprinter sticker.
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 I rock that decal too. It generally gets a good reaction from people.
  • 4 0
 Levy I appreciate your quirky taste in cars, would love to hear what your dream 5 car garage would have in it.... Speaking of, what's going on with your Mini? There's been no mention of that deathtrap anywhere of late
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 The Mini has a new home! It was bought by another rider and lives in Whistler now. Dream five-car garage... Dallara Stradale hard top, Alfaholics GTA-R, a new Raptor, Smart Car, Honda Ruckus. But that list might change if I had to do it again tomorrow haha I'd probably want a few oldies as well.
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 @mikelevy: Those alfaholics look like heaven
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 @mkpfaff: They are perfection.
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 @mikelevy: A well rounded list for sure, I hope selling the Mini means another project is in the pipeline?
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 @BigLips93: No, nothing silly like the Mini but I've been looking for the right Merc R107 for a couple of years now. I'd be happy with a 280 tbh - I've still got a dumb fast car so I just want a chill old white Mercedes to drive 15mph under the speed limit while listening to terrible music loudly. Everything I've looked at in my budget has been a little too iffy for me though, and they just keep getting more expensive every year, dammit.
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 @mikelevy: There's something irresistible about that generation of Merc, I drove a diesel W126 in high school and would get one now in a heartbeat!
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 Eat the rich. f*ck big trucks & guns!
  • 2 1
 Small European and Japanese sportcars, coupes n classics any day. That Alfaholic GTA-R is just marvelous. The ontrack Chris Harris clip !!! I have a 1989 Honda CRX w coilovers and some rare parts. European model. 130 PS. Under 900 kg so It goes quite well and ON Rails in the turns. The gas milage for a car from the 80s is very good.
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 Mike Levy on Crankworx, "I'll write about anything but bikes."
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 You're not far off haha
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 Next to the good o’boys truck is a 200SX, not a 300zx. Not sure why someone preserved a base model car. They did offer a turbo 4 back in the day in 200SX, which was properly propelled by its rear wheels.
  • 3 0
 You guys didn't get the Land Rover Defender Wolf at the Yakima display? Dang man, that was one of the best setups in the whole place! Rooftop tent, camping setup...guy was super passionate about his truck!
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 GuzzleWorx
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 Squarebody on 40's is always the winning argument.
  • 6 0
 Timeless
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 Fax.
  • 4 3
 The winning argument for why Japanese cars became prevalent in the 1980's.

"Sturdy" trucks with papier mache dashboards and flimsy bodywork (esp. the hoods). At least so many were made that cheap parts from the inoperative square bodies that populate salvage yards are easy to come by.

Like Panther platform Fords, the saving grace of these $h!tboxes is cheap parts to keep 'em running. Otherwise they're heavy, thirsty, poorly built and not all that reliable.
  • 2 1
 Thanks dude. It actually drives better than you'd expect, and almost averaged 20mpg getting up to Whistler, amazingly.
  • 4 0
 If my HOA and my GF wouldn't kill me, I would have had an ambulance long ago!
  • 29 1
 Ditch them. HOAs are self inflicted facism and GFs are mostly replaceable. Go live your ambulance dream.
  • 4 0
 FwIW That Mercedes Arocs Camper is WAY more expensive than that Ford Super Duty including that bumper.
  • 5 0
 Most of these people live in the Walmart parking lot in Squamish
  • 2 0
 pretty sure i saw that first merc in mill valley, california a month and a half ago
  • 3 0
 Car companies need to make some good camper vans. They are back in style.
  • 2 0
 I love that the ambulance/van in the last pic with the glasspacks also has a weather station and a Starlink dish on top
  • 3 0
 Dinosaurs and K9s. That's a good client if mine. The guy is a beauty.
  • 1 0
 As usual, I clicked for the content and scrolled and scrolled and scrolled for the comments. This is how Pinkbike prints their money.
  • 2 0
 Was the Löded dîper van at crankworx this year? Hear they play a rocking show.
  • 1 0
 Is this a… diary of a wimpy kid reference?
  • 2 0
 Spaceballs reference in that last one.... my heart goes pitter-patter.!
  • 8 7
 To all the people getting on their soapboxes and even trying to body shame over somebody's truck, f@ck you, you're what's wrong with the world.
  • 1 0
 Here is a little more about the Ormocar / Rammstein:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S9gRflS4eY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHXFa0T8WNY
  • 1 0
 I wonder if the first isn't the Remmstein truck?? are they known in US/Canada?
  • 1 0
 loooll of course they are.....
  • 3 1
 Lmao. Surprised the Outside® overlander puke-mobile wasn't in this set!
  • 3 1
 yes waste 100500 liters of fuel to ride greener type of transport
  • 2 0
 I saw the rammstien a few times over the weekend! Super dope.
  • 1 0
 Seeing them in September, I'm super pumped (had tickets since 2020 but the show has been postponed a bunch of times).

Bring on the BDSM gear and 50 foot tall walls of fire!
  • 2 0
 @mikelevy: No Land Rover Defenders? Frown
  • 1 0
 I want to see that Merc using its umbilical, and then the owners camping in it afterwards.
  • 3 1
 The 'mog is the only real truck here. Bring your downvotes, I'm ready!
  • 3 1
 Can't we just measure genitalia the old fashioned way?
  • 3 1
 Side pipes. Side pipes. SIDE PIPES.
  • 1 0
 Dodododdo dododo big truck! I am of course way to young to remember coal chamber my dad told me that one.
  • 2 0
 The real miracle is not seeing a Toyota Tacoma in this article.
  • 1 0
 There's a short documentary of the Rammstein Truck on Youtube: www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S9gRflS4eY
  • 2 1
 What a great collection of cyclist killing vehicles! More of this Pinkbike! America f@!@ yeah!
  • 1 0
 How much must it cost to get that Merc 6x6 behemoth shipped to Canada for a few weeks touring around?
  • 2 0
 did you say "side pipe"
  • 1 2
 Give 'em a few years, they'll have their energy needs sorted. And if they can do it, most other 1st world countries will have a template to follow.
  • 1 3
 Euro-van "big enough to live in for a decade or two"....riiiiiiiight. The few people I've known who lived in a van they built at quit that nonsense in a few years.

It's great to have a built van-for taking trips.
  • 1 0
 so how many of these were handing out free candy to kids
  • 1 0
 Need a laugh, look up the new rivian van.
  • 1 0
 That Toyota HiAce is the best out of the bunch posted
  • 1 0
 Fingers crossed they ride the good old sustainable steel frame bikes...
  • 1 0
 What is the model of the pickup truck in the 5th photo from bottom to top?
  • 1 0
 How did the white van not make this list?
  • 2 1
 guess the only thing missing is BA Baracus' truck
  • 1 0
 I wonder how much it cost to transport the MB from EU to CA
  • 1 0
 I dig this article - nice work!
  • 2 0
 What not one westy
  • 1 0
 Great article. Thanks for this.
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy I’m disappointed there is no poll with this one
  • 4 5
 No love for my new rig!?!?! www.pinkbike.com/photo/23135929

Be safe be well,
Incognito Robin
  • 1 0
 Eagle 5 for the win!
  • 5 4
 Is Deusche-bag a thing?
  • 1 0
 Keep on vannin✌
  • 2 2
 @Rhymer Those guys are all from California or CO
  • 4 5
 Good to see such douche mobiles. Ramstein one I would keep a healthy distance from
  • 1 1
 Wait so you’re telling me not one electric vehicle???
  • 1 1
 There were a few Teslas parked in the lot and one Polestar driving around, but we didn't see any others.
  • 1 0
 This is great!
  • 1 0
 Harumph!!!
  • 1 0
 red toyota goes hard
  • 1 1
 Dope, no bro-comas!
  • 1 1
 And then the comments
  • 2 4
 Where’s the dogs of crankworx article?
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy:
Thanks. My feed failed me.
  • 1 3
 Don’t mess with Texas or Mopar!
  • 1 3
 That Super Duty is legit!
  • 2 5
 More truck and van posts!
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