Trust Chops $725 Off Their Linkage Fork

May 6, 2019
by Trust Performance  
Trust Performance Message


PRESS RELEASE: Trust Performance


Our multi-link front suspension design launched in 2018. Advances in product development, recently scaled production, as well as new partnerships formed after the Sea Otter Classic all enable us to reduce pricing on the Message, passing these savings directly to riders. Starting today, the Message will be available for USD $1,975 through authorized Trust Performance retailers and online at www.trustperformance.com.

“Like most teams or new businesses, we launched with a number of goals. One: get our first three shipments of the Message under riders before Sea Otter. While this seemed lofty and aggressive, we knew it was a challenge we could meet,” remarked Co-Founder and CEO, Hap Seliga. “We reached that first goal ahead of schedule, and with increased production efficiencies and new purchase commitments, we’ve been given the opportunity to achieve yet another goal: to offer the Message at a sub-$2,000 price point. We’re stoked to say we’re able to do that, today.”


Trust Performance Message


In addition to offering the Message to customers at this updated price, we will provide its early adopters with significant cost savings on future purchases of Trust Performance suspension. Riders who purchased a Message at the original MSRP, and have it registered with Trust Performance before May 31, 2019, will receive a $1,000 credit toward their next Trust Performance suspension purchase. Dealers and distributors who brought in Messages under the previous pricing structure will receive a dealer credit, details of which have been provided to these partners by the Trust Performance sales team.

“At Trust, we do things a bit differently. Sure, many companies say that. But, the reality is: many fall short of living it,” said Seliga. “Since we started the company, we’ve said we’re focused solely on making things better for the ride and rider. Building the best possible suspension will always be a part of how we do that; passing along cost savings to the people who matter most - our riders - is yet another.”

In 2018, we launched our first multi-link front suspension design, the Message. By employing 130mm of contour travel, the Message allows the front of the mountain bike to realize the benefits that full suspension bikes have enjoyed for years. When encountering an obstacle, the Message allows the front wheel to move back and up simultaneously instead of only in line with the steering axis. This effect leads to noticeably improved traction, added stability, and more predictable handling in a wide variety of trail conditions.


Trust Performance Message


Since launch, we've established direct partnerships with dozens of shops around the world and formed distribution partnerships with entities like QBP (USA), Upgrade Bikes (UK), Mohawk’s Cycles (France) and many others. They continue to expand their presence at consumer-facing events, most recently offering riders the opportunity to connect with the team and demo the Message at the Fruita Fat Tire Festival, Trail Head Cyclery Spring Demo Days, Soldier Hollow Bike Fest, Sea Otter Classic, and Hurricane Mountain Bike Festival. Additional demos are planned throughout the U.S. this summer and with distribution partners worldwide.

“We’re serious about turning things in the industry upside down. We’re out to start a movement,” said Trust Performance Founder and Technical Director, Dave Weagle. “It’s a movement that starts with high fives and ends with the best ride our friends have ever had.”

More information about Trust Performance can be found at www.trustperformance.com.



MENTIONS: @TrustPerformance




200 Comments

  • + 443
 That really sucks for the 3 people that bought one at the original price
  • - 56
flag thesharkman (May 6, 2019 at 11:14) (Below Threshold)
 Those three people actually get a $1000 refund, so that's pretty cool of the company. It doesn't help the overall disaster...
  • + 128
 My mistake, they just get a stupid credit towards nothing.
  • + 93
 @thesharkman: towards another dope fork*

I’m a day one buyer. In a few years when I sell my current bike and want a longer travel fork I’ll be getting another one. $1975-$1000=$975. Which is dope, because I really like this thing, and can’t wait for longer travel versions to come out. I think the advantages of this thing will be even more obvious with 160mm to play with. As it stands, the 130mm message is dope
  • - 38
flag oldtech (May 6, 2019 at 11:38) (Below Threshold)
 @sdurant12: If the message was dope and $1,000 worth of it I'm sure the forks would sell much better
  • + 64
 @oldtech: ehh, people have different priorities. I’m running 11 speed gx and this fork and have no regrets

People also hate how this thing looks, which is fair. But it is a good ride. 90% of people commenting here probably haven’t tried it
  • - 105
flag oldtech (May 6, 2019 at 11:57) (Below Threshold)
 @sdurant12: I have no interest in fugly bike parts unless someone's going to pay me to ride them
  • + 106
 @oldtech: there it is! You don’t actually care about performance and just want a pretty bike!

I swear, this thing could be the best fork and have no compromises whatsoever (I think it’s great, but it has compromises) and people would still say it sucks based on looks alone
  • + 35
 @oldtech: actually it’s because they are selling far better than expected that they were able to lower the price.

As an owner of a Trust fork I can say it’s definitely worth every penny either way. Kinda took the claims with a grain of salt, but in that first ride I realized they greatly undersold how amazing it feels.
  • - 14
flag skycripp (May 6, 2019 at 12:27) (Below Threshold)
 True story: I saw an old guy (60ish) riding one this weekend. He was already stopped so I stopped to ask him how he liked it. It was so obvious he had no idea what he was talking about but he just had nothing else to put his retirement $ toward.
  • + 18
 @skycripp: yeah there are a lot of people who buy stuff like this because they have the money and why not. But the product itself can still be really f*cking good.
  • - 33
flag downcountry (May 6, 2019 at 12:35) (Below Threshold)
 What a rip off.
  • + 6
 @sdurant12: I have no doubt! I'm keen to try one.
  • + 20
 $725 is only about one root canal
  • + 19
 Boy, everyone loves a hot take these days, don't they? But the press release indicates that economies of scale are at play here. Me, I tend to Trust the Message they've sent.

I'll show myself out.
  • + 4
 The team behind these forks is super talented, I want to request them to make an upside down fork that does not have the weight or torsional flex issues of the ones on the market.
  • + 7
 @mark4444: You're in luck. I found an AMP-1 on eBay for $385.
  • + 3
 Still waiting on the official pinkbike review. This combined with the fact there is still no review is a pretty bad sign for trust. Sorry...but if they are so great and selling so well, why would you lower the price? Because you are generous...that's bs? You price at what the market can bear...otherwise you are leaving $ on the table.
  • + 6
 If Dave wanted them to sell he would have called it the sunday and got sam hill to ride it
  • + 13
 These forks look awesome! I'd love to try one. Fuck the haters.
  • + 7
 @ckcost: James Huang tab cyclingtips.com did a fantastic review of it and he’s one of the most suspension savy guys out there. He loved it.
  • + 17
 Like an expensive pair of sunglasses, they may work well but I'm too irresponsible to own one.
  • - 8
flag YoKev (May 6, 2019 at 18:05) (Below Threshold)
 @ckcost:
@ckcost:
Ding DING DING DING DING
We have a WINNER
Surprising only one PB responder understands free market economics, but you don't have to be smart to post on the internet, do you
  • + 4
 @ckcost: lol, k. Things can sell well, but can sell better.
  • + 8
 @sdurant12: alright, that’s great, but want I really want to know is: Do you think it’s dope?
  • + 3
 @Shartriloquist: I’m inferring that if he had one word to describe his $2700 fork, it would be “dope.”
  • + 4
 @ckcost: @ckcost: bad economics, that’s not at all true. You price competitive to reach more hands, which means more money in the pocket at the end. They have no chance of saturating the market, so lowering prices will not affect overall profits. Plus you have to get your name out there before the larger competitor releases a similar product, making yours the “copy”.
  • + 17
 @YoKev: @YoKev: Um, not sure if you know how economics work. Would you rather sell 1 with a $1500 profit or 10 with a $500 profit? Basic supply-demand curve (literally day 1 econ).
Kudos to the early adopters who helped fund this innovative company and have provided the $ to help a new company in its early stages. Kudos to Trust for rewarding their early backers with a discount on their next purchase.
Sucks that even when a company does something for the right reasons they still slagged. I don't own a Trust fork but am hoping to try one at Sea Otter in ON this year so that i can form my own opinion.
  • + 8
 @Shartriloquist: I was going to shit on you for making fun of my usage of the word dope, but then reread my comment

I used that word 2 (3?) too many times lol.
  • - 5
flag JCHILLTOPPERS (May 6, 2019 at 23:33) (Below Threshold)
 @ckcost: yup, when demand is high, yo raise the price
  • + 1
 @YoKev: @YoKev: This is horseshit. You don't make a successful product with any longevity by keeping it at double the price of the closest competitors.
  • + 2
 Truly, why would anyone spend this much when the currently rated best forks in the world are almost half the price...?
  • + 1
 @sdurant12: @sdurant12: On what frame you ride it? What was the fork you replaced by that? What was your first impressions vs todays? How difficult it is to set up? You know, just tell us more
  • + 1
 @sngltrkmnd: For $2000 you can feel what it was like to ride a Girvin. Smile
  • + 1
 @thesharkman: Its a Girvin with the linkage place at the axle rather than the crown
  • + 4
 @ckcost: It's literally business 101. The more you sell, the more opportunity you have to cut costs of production and research and development. This means you can lower your price to get it to even more consumers.

It's actually a very good sign that they are cutting the price. This isn't a "Going out of Business" sale.
  • + 20
 @bok-CZ: I ride it on an evil following mb. The previous fork I used was an mrp ribbon, but I didn’t have much time on it. I’ve since used some other telescoping forks at a demo day (Fox 34, fox 36). My previous bike, which I had a ton of time on was an XC hardtail (trek procaliber) with a SID xx fork. So I’m probably not the best judge of damper performance. That being said there are some things that are very obvious about the message.

Before I get into that, some background about me so you can try to judge what my opinion is worth. To give you an idea of where I stand in terms of ability, I was proud of doing the drop in to horsethief bench on my hardtail when I visited fruita 9 months ago, and rode all the features on the main trail clockwise. (I’ve progressed since then, but I think that’s the best known technical trail segment I’ve done that you can find good videos of on YouTube ). I’m good at technical stuff, up and down. I’m good at drops. I’m a relatively shit jumper (low consequence 8-10 foot gaps are where I top out, and I don’t do them often or with style).

Alright, obvious stuff first:
It doesn’t react to body inputs, especially on climbs. This is because the initial axle path is very rearwards. Which means when you push down on it, you aren’t pushing along the axis of travel. If you’re climbing something reasonably steep, this effect is even more noticeable. The easiest way to explain this is to imagine that you were climbing a 45 degree slope with a bike that has a 45 degree head angle. The fork’s direction of travel would be forwards/backwards and your up and down bobbing wouldn’t affect it. This is a huge exaggeration of what’s happening in the trust forks initial travel. It’s a little more subtle on the trust, but it still feels like cheating on climbs. It doesn’t bob, but when a bump comes from in front, it pushes the wheel back and then up into its travel. It absorbs bumps on climbs but is super efficient, and it feels so so good. also because the trail is lower when it’s near the top of the travel, it feels nimble.

Now for the opposite end of the spectrum: steep slow technical rocky steep descents. In this orientation (bike pointed down) the fork sags more, because of the direction of travel. But because the direction of travel changes through the stroke (to be more vertical deeper in the travel), it doesn’t sag insanely far. And because there is a lot less brake dive, you end up riding higher in the travel than with a conventional fork. Or at least I think that’s what’s going on. In any case it feels amazing here too. Super composed, super stable. The trail being higher when you’re deeper in the travel certainly plays a role and makes it feel even more confidence inspiring. I never noticed the wheelbase getting shorter as a downside.

Now for the in between, more rolling trails. If it’s flowy, this thing is great, it’s so easy to pump through rollers. If it’s chunky but relatively flat (or high speed steeper stuff where you don’t really have to think and you just plow) I don’t think it’s better or worse than a normal fork. A little different, but I don’t really have a strong opinion. I think this is where the damper plays a bigger role than the axle path, and where I think I’d need to do more back to back testing with other forks. But when you’re just plowing I think the total displacement (120 mm linear, 130 contour) and damper are way more important than axle path. The trust doesn’t blow any minds here. Or at least not mine.

Now for airtime:
The biggest advantage of the fork is also the biggest disadvantage. The fact that the fork is so immune to rider movement means the fork isn’t poppy. You can’t preload the fork for a jump like you can with a normal fork. It’ll still take off fine, but it’s noticeably (even to me) harder to boost jumps. You can’t push down into it and expect it to push back. It’s like bunnyhopping on a rigid fork. Landings are also a lot harsher. Because landing the bike flat is essentially the same thing as pushing the bike down into the ground at high speeds, it’s harsh. The direction of travel for the first 30mm is all wrong - it still absorbs the landings fine because it gets past that part of the travel on big enough hits, but it spikes really hard when you first hit the ground, especially if you land rear wheel first and the front slaps down onto the ground. The workaround here is to land nose heavy. If you land nose heavy you can get some buttery smooth landings.

Also it feels really good in berms, probably the trail increasing. Idk but it’s a lot of fun.

TLDR:
Pros:
Steeps up or down
Pumping
Carving corners

Neutrals:
Flatter rock gardens/ general chunky stuff that you kind of just plow through

Cons:
Jumps and drops
Weight
Price
Looks

All of this being said, I’m really excited about longer travel versions.
  • + 6
 ^^^ .....and the first PB review is LIVE folks. Copy, paste, homepage...send it! Lol. Probably the best review Ive read yet. (I also appreciate the reviewer describing their riding ability. This is something that needs to happen a bit more often.)
  • + 2
 @ckcost: hah thanks! I felt like a tool describing my riding ability, but I know it’s really helpful for people reading it.

Also something I should mention about landings jumps/drops is that it spikes but it never feels crazy bad. It doesn’t feel like something is going to snap, it’s just jarring, especially next to the super supple initial travel of the evil following’s rear suspension.

This front/rear imbalance also comes up when pumping through rollers. The rear blows through travel when pumping but the front doesn’t. But it’s not a fault of the fork - I wish my rear suspension was stiffer when pumping. But it does feel odd at first, on this bike. This effect will depend on the bike of course

Something else I want to mention is that for trials stuff and endos/whatever else it’s mostly fine. I thought it would make everything feel way different/harder because of the anti brake-dive effect, but you adjust super easily and I’ve never had a problem with endo 180’s or whatever else. The one downside is that bunny hopping is harder, as mentioned above. (Due to lack of preloading)
  • + 2
 @sdurant12: mad respect 180 endo on a full squish you should have lead with that in your skills description. That must feel weird.
  • + 1
 @in2falling: I'm guessing all the dentists do their own root canals, so technically it free. Call it "sorting each other out". More money for overpriced stuff
  • + 2
 @sdurant12: thanks a lot for such a complete feedback bud, appreciate it
  • + 2
 @sdurant12: lol, just givin’ you a hard time for shits haha
  • + 1
 @lccomz: bahaha, very insightfuul Smile
  • + 105
 That picture is the most dentist bike I have ever seen.

Evil + Push 11/6 + ENVEs + Trust fork.

Did they run out of money for the EEWings crankset? Or have they just run short of pockets to pillage.
  • + 20
 They are missing the new wireless eagle as well.
  • + 54
 Mike Giese has to be one of my favorite dentists of all time.
  • + 36
 i feel like anything with "sworks" on it is far more dentist
  • - 15
flag cherbein03 (May 6, 2019 at 11:24) (Below Threshold)
 seems the majority of Evil owners spend more money blinging out their bike vs. actually riding their bikes. but whatev, you got the cash, good for you.
  • + 13
 @cherbein03: Riding a bike is really cheap. I bet most of us have spent more money blinging out our bikes than riding them.
  • + 5
 @Babysasquatch: must just be a dental assistant
  • + 17
 @cherbein03:
You've ridden with the majority of Evil owners?
  • + 9
 @joe141: He isn't a dentist, he is an industrial designer
  • + 3
 @nixgame22: i had a following v1 for a bit. i personally didnt get along with it. but i'm still joined to a facebook evil owners group and see all that stuff pop up. it's usually high spec Followings that dont get dirty. but there are some wreckoning owners that fully send it. so i'm basing most of my opinion on that FB group, which could be greatly skewed.
  • + 5
 @cherbein03: Can confirm. Ha ha they always seem to travel in packs, and all know the owner on a first-name basis.
  • + 88
 I don't get the hate for high end builds, or high earning occupations for that matter. Expensive custom bikes make for a rad supply of used bikes for those that like the wrench, and folks who spend top dollar for tech help everyone else benefit from the trickle-down technology over time. I've got plenty of friends who ride plastic bikes with plastic wheels and high end suspension. None of them are dentists, lawyers or physicians. All of them are hard-working dudes who made solid life choices, invested in themselves and married women who support their hobbies and don't drain their bank accounts. Plus, who actually wants to work on teeth all day. Yuck.
  • + 6
 @nwfreeride: agreed, even if people here never buy this fork, someone somewhere buying this fork means that someone somewhere will now be offloading a perfectly good Pike/34/ribbon/whatever.
  • + 6
 @nwfreeride: Trickle down bike economics!
  • + 3
 @sdurant12: Exactly!
  • + 3
 That is an Engineers bike. Christian Peper makes everything look easy.
  • + 3
 @nwfreeride: What’s not to get? It’s called envy.
  • - 7
flag B650wagon (May 6, 2019 at 16:14) (Below Threshold)
 Trust........short for Trust Fund Baby
  • + 5
 @joe141: that was a sick video. He clearly shreds. And props to you for shutting people up. Ride on man!
  • + 9
 @nwfreeride: it’s a fine tuned mix of insecurity and enve that drives people to take a piss about someone’s rad high end build.
  • - 1
 @ratedgg13 lol ditto. And the one before it... Yeti, Trust, ENVE... c'mon, where's the rest? I know just off-screen there's a Mondraker, Unno, and Santa Cruz. Ibis (been getting surprisingly better recently, but still), Pivot, S-Works...
  • - 6
flag mtbikeaddict (May 7, 2019 at 4:34) (Below Threshold)
 @ratedgg13 ok edit that Evil takes it, you're right. Matchy matchy gold/carbon EVERYTHING... hubs, XX1, ENVE, Message, bolts, etc all looking show-quality polished never ridden aligned and propped against the beautiful scenery, and then the rider sitting there posing, holding a water bottle with the gforms, but no elbow pads, Yeti tshirt, smart watch, … *gag*. Betcha anything he's wearing an enduro half helmet and Oakleys or somethin lol
  • + 0
 @nwfreeride: Exactly, what sense it makes to buy 5k frame and put shitty specs on it? Non. Honestly I´ve just got older SB6 for crazy price matching the base options pricing of direct sale companies. I would never be able to get it without people like the dentists all the people blame on.
  • + 1
 @cherbein03: Haha, I used to ride every day from like 4 years old, until 17, now I'm 30, and pretty ill, and I do mostly just work on my bike. If it came strictly down to effort, I'd be a great cyclist.
  • + 0
 If that's a dentist's bike, what do stock brokers and CEOs ride?
  • + 4
 @headshot: Road bikes
  • + 4
 @mtbikeaddict: Never ridden and enduro half helmets? C'mon. Take a look for yourself: www.instagram.com/steezygiese765 and www.instagram.com/christian.peper
  • + 1
 @mrgarin: Um, great. They actually ride them a bit. They're sponsored. They're "influencers". I guess you found a half-exception? Congratulations?
  • + 83
 Wow lots of broke people getting angry. Do you guys go on car forums and complain that BMW wants $90k for their car when you can get a great used Ford Focus for a fraction of the price? It's premium new technology that's fun to ride... instead of bitching, be grateful for the people buying them at full price now so that some day you can afford one in the classifieds.
  • + 16
 Raise the price on all bike parts triple them or quadruple them there's too many people in the woods now the way it is
  • - 17
flag nurseben (May 6, 2019 at 12:04) (Below Threshold)
 Nope, but I also wouldn't buy a BMW. Now if I was buying BMW's, I'd looking at comparable cars, and I would most certainly not choose the most expensive one even if it was the best.
  • + 24
 @nurseben: should have been a doctor and not a nurse
  • + 5
 @ironxcross: could not agree more with you. Rad used bikes for life.
  • - 6
flag B650wagon (May 6, 2019 at 16:16) (Below Threshold)
 Trust........short for Trust Fund Baby
  • + 1
 @ironxcross: @nwfreeride: @jeremiahwas: @juansevo: Ya ever read about the situation before/around the French Revolution, or similar?
  • + 2
 @mtbikeaddict: I'm no expert but I thought they revolted because they were starving not because they could only afford a $2500 vs a $10,000 bike.

So this is the scenario/analogy? The masses asked for simple $1k-ish alloy telescoping forks and Trust said "Let them ride $2k ish carbon linked forks!", then the masses revolted.

I just don't see it.
  • + 22
 Love the innovation in this and am super curious to try one. Mr. DW seems to have a pretty okay brain for this stuff and may or may not have been at the forefront of most that is awesome in previous advances in suspension. So many double standards on Pinkbike... here is a product designed to do something very different than previous products and yet gets crucified by the masses for not looking similar to what we expect a fork to look like while the "don't drink the Kool Aid" sentiment reigns strong. If you pay attention to what they were trying to accomplish with it- I think it is pretty cool. It will have strengths and weaknesses of course. It may fail on the market- but hey- it's a free market and whether it works in a way people like is going to dramatically influence it's success. The fact that it looks so different is likely going to force it to have to do something pretty cool to remain viable. Yeah it sucks for those that paid more but I'm glad to see the price drop as that is a huge barrier to people risking $ on a new product so that people like me can sit back and see if it works before spending my own money. The reviews on it certainly have my interest piqued.
  • + 25
 Meanwhile the most notorious pinkbike phrase is "looks like a session."

People here have a comfort zone that just has such little tolerance. It seems most discussions are more about being critical of a product rather than actually seeing the merit in anything. The post the other day on the DT hubs is a great example, with people constantly sounding off on the price of a top of the line product they have no intentions of buying.

The lack of self awareness in the comment section here is second only to youtube. Our pun threads are better though.
  • - 1
 The reviews so far have been less the desirable and why they aren’t selling as many as expected.
  • + 8
 @jaydawg69: I think that may depend then on the reviews. From what I have heard- it works totally different. It does a better job at keeping the bike stable under impacts coming into the bike as you roll forward, keeps things stiffer in pressing through the corners, but doesn't offer the same plushness for more vertical hits. If you can point me to some of those less than desirable reviews I would love to have a read as I am curious about this thing.
  • + 9
 Still waiting on that pinkbike review!!
  • + 6
 @PHeller: that review confuses me. I ride and really like the trust fork, and agree with Jeff Kendall Weed’s review

As a 180 pound rider I’ve gotten the trust fork to a good spot. My lsc is lower than trusts recommendation, as is my pressure. I’ve also added a couple tokens. But it’s in a good spot now.

Over the past few months, reading some of the reviews I started wondering if I just had some variant of Stockholm syndrome - I liked it even though it was awful because I got used to it (and riding bikes is always fun). This weekend I went to a demo day, and got to ride some awesome bikes with telescoping forks, everything from a yeti sb100 to a stumpy evo. My conclusion after going back and forth is that I’m sticking to my trust fork.

(Side note: I agree trust didn’t handle this particular interaction in the blog post well - but I’ve had a couple issues/questions about mine and they’ve always been handled really well.)
  • + 1
 Mostly agree with JKW’s review* my thoughts are elsewhere in this thread
  • + 2
 @snl1200: There's a review on Singletrack - singletrackworld.com/2019/03/review-judgement-day-trust-message-multi-link-suspension-fork. You have to get a free login to view it. Spoiler alert - it's not good.

"Preloading with your body weight, it seems to taketh the energy… and not giveth back. This was confirmed by several other testers. Because of all this, pump sections could feel pretty good, but the rollers and tabletops were harder work than usual, nose heavy and not so playful. "

"At Trust’s own recommended settings, flying down a knobbly grass trail on a steep Welsh mountainside, my ulnar nerves felt like they were being liquefied. "

"From fire roads to minus thirty percent grade plummets, the Trust Message seems to do almost nothing to filter out high frequency noise. The vibrations felt like an ultrasonic meat tenderiser. "
  • + 0
 @snl1200: I like the idea, but the execution is far from ideal and dropping $1000 off the price indicates this as well. I do feel sorry for people who already bought (probably about 10 dentists)... but they get $1000 Trustbucks!
  • + 6
 @jaydawg69: Did you actually just reply to someone SIX times? Jesus man, chill.
  • + 4
 @sherbet: The guy asked him for links to some of the other reviews, and he responded. Prolifically, but not in some over the top way like you're implying.
  • - 3
 He did exactly what I'm implying, he replied six times. Please don't.
  • + 5
 @PHeller: To be fair, if you read some of that guys other posts...he is a bit of a wacko. I wouldn't put much weight into his opinion....unless it's for fatbike stuff.
  • + 3
 @jaydawg69 thanks for taking time to reply. Interesting reading/watching. I'm assuming the substantial differences in how it functions will set up to really polarize in terms of it's application. A few of the links you posted were more early queries/thoughts than long term reviews- though that is to be expected given it's newness. I'm excited to hear how the feedback settles out and if riders choose it over a traditional fork and for what applications. I thought the guys at Worldwide did a great job breaking down their views just as another one to add to the pile (yes- I know they sell it and are bias but sounded supported and genuine)-https://www.worldwidecyclery.com/blogs/worldwide-cyclery-blog/video-trust-performance-the-message-fork-riden-reviewed
  • + 0
 @ckcost referring to me? If so, tell me what’s “wacko”.
  • + 0
 @snl1200 another problem with this fork is there is no damping adjustment. Lots of work to do on this platform before it’s going to work properly but because DW has his name associated to it, the fan boys get all excited. How many have actually bought one?
  • + 0
 @PHeller: thanks for posting that review, glad to read what seems to be an unbiased review for once.
  • + 11
 Just got off the phone with Ian Malcolm. He said:

"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
  • + 7
 I had a couple of long rides on one thanks to my local bike shop. I've been fortunate enough to ride a lot of nice, well setup premium suspension, and the Trust fork really impressed me with it's small bump compliance, and composure on steeps/ under braking. The cost down can only be a good thing in my eyes!
  • + 11
 "Please please pretty please, somebody buy our fork!"
  • + 10
 Just because you didn't buy one doesn't mean others didn't. They sold out of the first production run. While it was a small run, and many of those pieces went to reviewers and journalists, they used that hype and the money it brought to open doors to manufacturing on a larger scale. I'm stoked for another option to hit the market and hopefully trickle down some tech in 5-6 years to my pricepoint.
  • + 1
 @BsampSy: sold out, but how many are still on display collecting dust in boutique bikeshops right now? maybe none, but somethign to consider.
  • + 1
 @mm732: Still money in Trust's pocket that they can use for production and further development. If I had a dentist's income I'd be kinda bummed if every cool product got shut down because all the poor commentors on PinkBike declared "nothing should be on the market that we can't afford!"

To your point though, I hope those boutique shop display pieces are gathering trail dust being used by the employees, not shelf dust. (wishful thinking, I know)
  • + 1
 @BsampSy: nothing wrong with expensive stuff that works.

high-end car/bike Penske dampers are 2K+ a corner.

let's put that $2K toward F1-level damping tech and materials.
  • + 7
 I’ve heard some great reviews from local riders singing the praise of this fork. Still, I’d hate to be they person who bought one yesterday.

If they can knock another $750 off in 6 months, I might truly be interested in this design. It’s still double the cost of a truly great telescopic fork. Nonetheless, I applaud the effort to bring a new implementation of the linkage fork to market... and I understand the need for higher prices to cover the R&D. I hope enough people buy in to push the cost down even further.
  • + 6
 I’m one of those local riders (well, I’m some dude in central California). I do love this thing. And sure it sucks that I spent more than I would if I bought it today, but honestly the $1000 off a fork means my next fork will almost certainly be whatever longer travel version they come out with.

I think the advantages of the trust fork will be even more noticeable on a ~160mm fork. This thing really does feel stiff to body movement and supple over rocks and bumps. On a 160 fork it’s going to be awesome
  • + 6
 I've been building up a semi aggressive Ti hardtail (66 head angle) and I feel like this fork would actually be perfect for it. No brake dive, stiff for pedaling, etc etc. Some of JKW's concerns were in how this fork worked with rear suspension so what if you don't have any? Wink haha

Planning on going to Trailhead cyclery and demoing one for a few days to make sure before I do any big purchases, but really curious if anyone here has seen that on this kind of enduro hardtail?
  • + 2
 @Naturel: It's not really a standard 130mm fork as trust and the reviewers have said. You actually don't want too big of a fork on a hardtail anyways. Something like 160mm would feel pretty jarring from what I'm told. I guess having that much travel upfront with nothing in the back feels weird and out of balance, plus some serious brake dive. So to fight that a lot of production hardtails are made with very slack head angles (I see 65 a lot but I've seen 61). So actually the 140 range seems to be good for a bike like this.

Despite that I'm planning on trying my spare 160 pike and 27.5 wheels at first to see how it rides, with the expectation of doing 29 wheels and a 140 fork on it later on. Or possibly this trust fork. I want it to work well on long XC style rides but still descend well so I think finding that balance will be key. But if this fork is about the travel range I want, and all the benefits they speak to would probably help a lot of the issues that hardtails have with suspension dynamics. I even love that people say it feels stiff when you stand up and pedal. Theoretically this fork would be awesome on a hardtail like the one I'm building.

But either way I'm only here asking if people have heard of anyone using this specific fork on a hardtail like the one I'm building, and since I'll be demoing one on this bike I can find out if it works or not.
  • + 2
 @Naturel: Didn't know you're the god of all hardtails and definitions of "Enduro". Shit man you have some issues you should probably sort out off of pinkbike. Apologies for attempting to have a conversation with you.
  • + 1
 @lusenator: honestly this thing would be so amazing on an aggressive low and ~66-67 degree hardtail. I think it would be such a fun combo
  • + 2
 @sdurant12: thanks for your words man! I think so too. I might be trying it as soon as next week, ill come back and let you know how it goes
  • + 8
 Jeff Kendal Weed's review is probably the best, well rounded review of this fork that I've seen to date - www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6I3j3fhOCw
  • + 44
 Keep in mind he is an ambassador for them.
  • + 8
 Day one owner here. JKW’s review is the most in line with what I think.

I f*cking love it on steeps. It’s cheating climbing (no bob, absorbs bumps) and carving is fun. I’m not as psyched about the straight line rock garden performance as he is (it feels different but not necessarily much better). I also like the lack of brake dive. I think that’s what makes it so good on steep shit - it stays higher in the travel.
  • + 1
 @H3RESQ: @H3RESQ: Yeah, and yet he gives a balanced review. Imagine if he was not an ambassador - maybe we would have got unbalanced opinion?
  • + 5
 As someone who has a Trust fork I can tell you that it truly lives up to their marketing hype and them some. Very rare in the biz over the last 10 years I’ve seen any company’s product truly blow me away or exceed the hype of reviews and marketing (same thing some days). Don’t get me wrong, lots of amazing products out there that are definitely an improvement over tech from 7-8 years ago. But it’s usually just a little better than the previous versions. Claims like 20% stiffer and 100 grams lighter only a few can notice a difference if they try.

This thing just adds such a level of control and speed it’s noticeable right out of the gate.
  • + 7
 $1000 towards what you may ask??

A recent Careers page posting on trust was for "Cycle Frame Structural Engineer"...

Heard it here first folks.
  • + 4
 Gonna have a telescoping rear end. Heard it here first. Wink
  • + 7
 Eh, I would be annoyed if I just bought one. $1000 towards what? Another Trust fork??
  • + 4
 The 3 people who bought them at the original price thought it was worth it for what they were getting, and I am assuming that if someone bought it when they were brand new, untested, and expensive, they will most likely be buying another one sometime in the future
  • + 5
 @matt-15: That's a fair point.
  • + 8
 Will there be a coil version? hahahahahha
  • + 3
 Awesome! The future looks promising! I'll hold my cash 'till a 160mm version comes, but it seems like the price is creeping towards a more palatable area.

I'm guessing they are able to put the price down this much because they've sold enough volume and anticipate more to come so that they have covered their overhead?
  • + 2
 I know this for sure: I will have a fork like this some day, it's just a matter of time before forks like the Trust, that work better than a telescopic fork, are able to replace the telescopic fork.

If someone said: Hey Ben, I got a demo/used Trust that comes with a warranty for $1250, do you want it?

YES!
  • + 6
 I'd say they finally got the message.
  • + 3
 I trust you are correct.
  • + 3
 Will the longer version be called the "Memo"?
If so... I think I missed that one.
  • + 1
 After then next "achievement in production", or creative marketing, and potential drop closer to $1K, I'd consider it... after a demo. Even then I'd have to test out rock garden performance compared to standard forks. It's simply a matter of performance vs price compared to other products out there. Love the idea, do not love the price tag. Will they make a cheaper version or just continue to drop the price based on demand? Will they make a longer travel version that can shred rocks better? We shall see. Their move.
  • + 3
 I'd love to try one for a season, but still too expensive. I'm sure with time cost will come down.... Looks a potential game changer from all the reviews that I've read
  • + 3
 The Gervin's proflex have came down quite a lot in price on eBay;-)
  • + 4
 I finally got to Demo one this weekend in Fruita. What an awesome fork, it feels almost glued to the ground on the big hits
  • + 1
 I got to ride one of these the other day in Hurricane, UT, and it was amazing. I mean, like, radically amazing, and most of what I want in a fork. But I paid less for my whole bike than this fork costs. So that's kind of a downer.

I'll be going to the Park City Bike Demos reopening tomorrow evening, hopefully I can talk to their reps about their forks there. Big Grin
  • + 1
 I mean, I know this technology is relatively new for production for consumers but man, nineteen hundred dollars for a suspension fork? Albiet it's pretty much a set and forget experience I'd reckon. But I think the popularized margins is still gonna be telescopic forks... For the time. I'd be curious how these forks feel on a dedicated cross country bicycle, none this rear suspension, just purely hardtail and this linkage fork!
  • + 4
 Casually Drops 725 dollars off it, meaning it's was and is STILL overpriced AF.
  • + 5
 Hell yeah! Congrats, guys!
  • + 5
 When a suspension fork costs more than your whole bike...
  • + 1
 Maybe this is a great fork... I dunno ????????‍♂️

However, when I’m up north or riding in some remote town I want something easy to fix post mechanical. I love to show up at a LBS with this thing needing a repair in the middle of BFN.

Fox, RS, and DVO are more we’ll known.. and this will likely have parts that are easier to acquire.

+ I love my 36 with a luftkappe ...

No thanks for me!
  • + 1
 at this point in my life i come to PB for only two things, riding videos and critical comments. i would stop visiting this site entirely if everyone in the comments supported every product, rider, bike, and article that was posted. I just want to read and laugh at the hate.
  • + 1
 I just picked up a really nice 2018 Pike for $275 on the buy/sell forums here, its flawless.

They're claiming this is groundbreaking that they cut TRIPLE that price, OFF the price of a fork that still costs 2k?!

Actual lol.
  • + 2
 I would be super stoked to try one out. My main concern other than the price is the cost of rebuilding this monstrosity once we start having to replace bearings/seals.
  • + 2
 All the single crown forks that are popular are around 1000$ . This may be the best fork ever but it needs to retail around 1000$ to sell .
  • + 0
 If you have the discount you should find a willing buyer who would purchase it new for a slightly discounted $1750, buy it for $950 with the initial buyer discount, and make $800 profit regaining your lost cash and coming out with a little $50 profit. Or just wait for the higher travel model for a future bike, maybe if the company really takes off and the product keeps improving that $1000 discount could be real nice.
  • + 0
 Nope ~ I'd rather suffer a miniscule bit of "stiction" than deal with the mass of pivots and assorted humbug wearing over time as these will certainly experience, not to mention the look like a post apocalyptic nut cracker / bottle opener off of a mad max set.
  • + 2
 If I could afford one of these, I'd buy one as when I tested one it felt great. Even with the reduced price, I still can't justify spending the money.
  • + 0
 I'd ride that fork, it seems pretty cool, certainly a high tech approach to forking than what we have now.

That said, I just bought a NEW 2019 Fox 36 Fit4 for $600, so I find it really hard to stomach $2000 for a fork even if it is the best damn fork ever.

To be competitive, this fork needs to be $1500 or less, $1000 used, otherwise folks will buy the next best fork.
  • + 1
 @Naturel: Ya think? At a certain point ya got wonder how much more improvement is worth how much more money. Going from Fit 4 to Grip to Grip 2 is a process of making marginal improvement in what is already a good fork.

So yeah, a brand new 2019 36 Fit 4 is worth $600, a deal really, and the Grip 2 is NOT worth that much more. Would I pay much more for a truly innovative fork? Yes, but I would not pay hundreds more for this marginal improvement crap that all the fork mfgs are offering.
  • + 1
 I’m all about trying new things but not if it costs as much as a frame, also it’s full carbon what’s the density of this thing to absorb hits
  • + 1
 I get innovation, I applaud progressive attitudes, but, really, have we seen it anywhere that matters,making a difference, no
  • + 1
 Even if you go and get that second fork with a 1000$ credit that still means you spent about 3700$ for two identical forks which i think is pretty crazy
  • + 2
 Yeah, but they’re definitely working on other models, so it’ll make more sense once those come out
  • + 3
 Dam that fork is ugly, looks like the bike has a massive underbite.
  • + 1
 not really a constant trail fork. look at this article.

bikeco.com/trust-message-fork-review-geometry
  • + 1
 I also second the opinion that it looks like more effort to service / maintain...
  • + 1
 I still wanna see this fork mounted to the skinniest of a Chro Mo hard tail for shiggles
  • + 1
 Bunch of noobs - the bike industry way is to just call it the “Trust 2” and refund/credit naff-all
  • + 2
 I wonder if they offer demos on these forks. that'll be nice.
  • + 2
 Ah, only 900 dollars more than a normal fork. Neat
  • + 1
 Why dt isn’t accompanying him I don’t know but it doesn’t make me ha-ha-ha-happy.
  • + 1
 Im intrigued and hope to get a chance to try one of these sooner than later.
  • + 2
 the lord wizard dw is at the forefront. This is true procor
  • + 1
 So why only 130mm travel? When do you plan to add more forks with more travel to your lineup? O.O
  • + 1
 Anyone tried this fork on a hardtail?
  • + 1
 I guess it's still only 115mm of travel?
  • + 1
 looks like shit. When nerds go to far....
  • + 2
 oof
  • + 1
 Looking forward to picking one up from ebay
  • + 0
 At $2k, trust me, the only message I get from this fork is hard pass. I like everything except the price.
  • + 0
 Weagle needs to make a robo frame to pair with this robo fork.... gnome sayiiiiiinn!!!
  • + 1
 Its a Girvin with the linkage at the axle rather than the crown.
  • + 0
 Pinkbike replies - the Daily mail comment section of bike forums ...
  • + 0
 When it's competitive with fox and roxkshox, I'll try it!
  • + 0
 My girl has fantastic personality, but she is plain ugly.
  • + 1
 there's someone for everyone, almost.
  • - 1
 I tought that in marketing you HAVE to ask the right price at your first sale... what a drop!
  • + 1
 I would love to try one
  • - 1
 Would love to put one on my fifty quid Trailstar
  • - 1
 I still don't "TRUST" the price.
  • - 3
 ahahahahahahahahaahha
  • - 1
 Looks like a lefty
  • - 2
 ...I Trust the check is in the mail.
  • - 2
 i find it hard to believe anyone would buy this fork.
  • + 2
 a fork only a mother could love.
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