Something interesting is brewing in Barcelona. A disused textiles factory has been restored to glory and houses the Cero Design studios, and now begins to break the mold with Unno Bikes. The man behind it all, Cesar Rojo, has a strong palmarés including top ten World Cup DH finishes, multiple national championships and is reigning Master's World Champion, a title he captured riding a bike designed and built in his own studio. We asked Cesar a few questions about his latest project:
Hi Cesar. What is your background in mountain biking, engineering and design?
I used to race during the late 90's and early 2000's the World Cup DH for Global Racing, at 21 years old I finished 11th overall in the WC and 6th in the final race, that is my best ever result. I raced a bit later on in 2009 doing a few top 30's I believe, I'm four-times Spanish national champ: 2x junior, 1x elite and 1x master 30. I'm an industrial engineer, but mainly now I manage Cero (we have over twenty-five people here, working for many clients. One of the big ones is KTM where we help with production motorcycles) and focus on taking care of projects, kinematics, and geometry. We have an outstanding team of engineers and designers that do an amazing job putting together the pieces.
Which brands and bikes have Cero Design previously worked with? What was your role in the development processes? Mondraker Dune/Foxy/Summum, Canyon Sender?
We did all the Mondraker stuff starting with Zero Suspension, Forward Geometry and the design for those frames. Forward was completely our own proposal. We have nothing to do with Canyon Sender, our DH frame was designed 2.5 years ago… Why is the Sender so close to our frame, who knows… Designers come and go.
Personally, I can't wait...
Where did the name Unno come from, and what does it mean?
Uno, with one 'n' means One in Spanish, and as the studio is named cero (zero) after my name (CEsar ROjo), Jaume came up with this idea that after zero comes one, so we all found that made sense to us. The problem was trying to register uno with one 'n' as Formula One was giving us a lot of problems, so decided to use double n.
Did you race an Unno prototype at the Masters World Championships last year?
Yes, that bike is not only a prototype, it's exactly as the production frames will be, bear in mind we are putting more than one year of riding on each frame, not only field testing, but we’ve been extensively testing the frames here inside for fatigue, impact and performing a lot of stiffness tests to be able to replicate the aluminum feeling - that we love - into our carbon frames. So we're trying to avoid this over-stiff feeling of carbon frames that you find now on the market. More controlled flex helps with traction, this is something we have so many experiences of in Moto GP, where you need to have flex to be able to turn, otherwise the bike just chatters and does not turn due to different alignment of suspension and the bump direction… But I can make five pages about this and probably some people will end with their eyes bleeding after so much nerd stuff, so let’s leave it at this.
Why did you feel the need to bring Unno Bikes to the market? Are you planning to fill a gap that's missing?
The idea behind it is on one side to show what we are capable of as a studio and to do something without any limitations, you won’t be hearing any marketing BS from us, only facts, that you can agree with or not. We know every single thing about these bikes and there is a reason behind everything, I know this itself sounds like marketing BS, but you can throw any question about the bikes or production at us, we have an answer. Try to ask others out there what temperature their frames are cooked at, how long, the heating ramp, how many different layers, which carbon orientation is the used, weight of the fiber used, I can just go on and on only about this small part. As I said there is not a single question we cannot answer about the whole process, from layout, how molds are made, to the final product. Also very important to us was to make something super exclusive, that means super expensive, but no detail is forgotten.
An interesting looking entry port for internal cable routing, plus I don't recognize that stem and top cap - will we see a range of components too?
Why have you chosen carbon fibre over other materials?
Because of its properties and because the amount of room for improvement. In Asia, you are basically stuck with T300 from Toray (or similar from other brands, Toho and Mitsubishi) for cheap carbon, or slightly higher-end T700 and T800 (really high end and only some small reinforcements). We are working now on T1000 type of carbon (T700 is around 22€/sqm and T1000 is 115€/sqm), but it's a high modulus, high strength fiber that with the same amount of weight gets much better properties, but this means you can reduce it if you want, even if now we are playing very safe, this fiber is not really available in Asia, they won’t sell to them. Then you have all these other very special fibers used in F1/aerospace/hypercars that are special for impacts, abrasion. Even the resin type for the pre-preg, now we are trying some organic ones that are environmentally friendly (this is a future step). There is so much to choose from and this is why carbon is so amazing and our reason to go that direction, because the room for improvement is huge.
Is it viable financially and environmentally to produce carbon bikes in Europe?
For sure it is viable, but I don’t think so if you want to sell at a competitive price, financially as you can imagine with salaries over 10 times or even higher here makes a difference as this is so labor intensive. We are looking at 40 to 50 hours of work per frame, plus material, machined parts, it adds up so quick! Environmentally, here in Spain everything is super controlled, what you do with waste, transportation, there are a million regulations for emissions. This means it's much more environmentally friendly, for sure it's more expensive, but it's our responsibility to take care of the earth and do as much to help. For us, this is a big plus and we want to learn more how to improve the environmental impact in the future. It will be our goal to do so. Also employing locally is something we believe in, a future investment, reducing the amount of transportation from Asia (a boat burns a lot of fuel) is a big plus for us too… We want to be super happy with our product, proud of it, I know that sounds like a topic, but it is what it is.
You say all the bikes will be handmade. Will they be made to measure? If not, how do you plan to make a geometry and kinematic to suit a wide range of riders abilities?
They are handmade, I would even say handcrafted. Not tailor made because if you want to do a monocoque construction this is almost impossible to do, also between sizes you should be adapting your layup, so this is not easy. We will be targeting some average height consumers for now.
Every single piece of carbon-fiber needed to make one frame.
Can you expand on what will be included in the line of bikes? DH / XC / Enduro?? What travel numbers? Forward Geometry? Wheel size, Plus size? Boost? etc?
As you can see on the bike range image, all will have modern geometry, this includes XC which hasn’t really changed since the 80s. We are looking at two 29er XC frames, two enduro frames with 29" or 27.5" wheels and one 27.5" downhill bike. No plus size, we feel these are performance bikes, we tried plus sizes and in very technical trails the tires on holes makes you lose precision. We feel a normal tire is still much faster for a skilled rider, that is what we believe are the riders looking at this. Sure boost, only 1by…
It's the manpower who costs most of the money when it comes to carbon frames .... That big sheet of carbon fiber of which from all these littles parts can be cut mustn't be so expensive !!!
@RedBurn: read the article. He explains the cost. Now the amount other brands charge for carbon frames using the mentioned 22€/sqm just seems even crazier than before
Redburn is kind if right because if they say they spend 50 man hours per frame, while man hour in EU can easily cost 30€, then even at 120€ per sqm, the material cost is not that much of a concern. Big companies shoot their prices over the ceiling and I think companies like YT and Canyon show that pretty well.
Just hypothesizing, so the uber-premium carbon + more costly labor is going to lead to what..... a $10k DW-link frame? I'd buy a Turner or Ibis before this, of course, but they do look sweet!
As to their use of carbon, from what I've read (and it may be worthless, it was some article about top road frames, on example of S-Works Venge) the higher the T number the better the strength to weight ratio gets but at the same time material becomes more brittle and less compliant. Some carbon expert please?
@WAKIdesigns: Brittleness is more a component of the resin matrix, and fiber orientation. Longer working resin tends to make for more flexible and durable parts. Think of epoxy, and the differences between the cure times. Additives may also be combined into the matrix to augment other qualities. Unidirectional fibers will always be the most brittle torsionally and laterally, think of it like plywood vs pine. A weave that is based on a 45 degree will be the most flexible and durable part, stiffness can be added be adding layers of "uni" with the fibers running in the direction that you want. Curing time, temperature, and pressure also affects the stiffness/flexibility ratio. This is what I learned on the job, manufacturing carbon wing spars at a former leading small civil aircraft plant. The is some serious "black magic" going on in the resin matrix and curing processes that require an material engineering/chemistry degree to fully grasp. As much as I got to learn, it even more left me scratching my head in awe.
@WasatchEnduro: Still aluminum is 2 to 4€/kg, so to compare that to the carbon, have in mind that 1sqm is 150gsm, so that means 1kg of the "cheap" carbon is still around 145€/kg and if you have in mind that approx 30% is wasted due to patterns you end up at 188€ per kg... so a bit more expensive than aluminium
@WAKIdesigns: That is high modulus, but this is high modulus, high strength carbon, you can check this graph to better understand. On road frames they use high modulus, the M line, so M40 or M46 www.carbon-fiber.com/range.jpg
@HerrDoctorSloth: Not really truth, resin had to do, as there are milion types of resing, thoughened ones are the ones we use, but you have a milion types... Is really due to type of fiber... What you are in need is high strenght and high stiffness... Ideal high of all, the higher the strength, the better it can stand impacts. So as you see for mtb T1000 is the best you can get, for road if you don't mind the bike desintegrating on the crash then you can go high modulus like M46... www.carbon-fiber.com/range.jpg
@rideunno: what do you think: have you done any research into making bikes from hemp fiber and low-toxicity resins? How strong would they be, how much would they weigh in comparison to aluminium? Most importantly: would it really be more environmentally friendly?
@WAKIdesigns: is something we are looking at as I mentioned, we are in contact with a few companies, let's see how it turns out. But is not really about the resin itself, its about the process of making that resin that is much more enviromentally friendly, but as I mentioned, we still haven't gone deep on that road yet. Just made initial contacts.
And that's the exact purpose of this pic: justify the price of a carbon frame with just a picture an no word to anyone who read this article. Perfect example of the power of suggestion of pictures. Because with any word, the reader think exactly what is suggested with the feeling he arrives himself to this conclusion. Way better and more convincing than "A carbon frame needs hundreds of pieces wich is why our frames are soooo expensive."
@Pitrouille: It's still good to add that frame is made in EU where employees get just wages and social care, while production is subjecto environmental standards. There's plenty of uninformed people and cynics who cannot grasp the idea that there is a reason why manufacture in Asia is do cheap. The True Cost is something to get educated about. I would love to see an honest documentary about manufacturing in Asia, especially when it comes to carbon. When I hear of a guy who gets fkd up on a counterfeit frame I am not concerned by any means. It's good to get what you deserve.
wicked vid, i have been making carbon boats for the last 19 years! now i want to make bikes. Unno do you have a job for me, i make a wicked cup of tea!!
Amazing to see little snip-its of all the parts of the process to make one bike. Now think of all the bike models and then every size needing their own molds...the investment must be staggering
Just that exactly got me wondering really, why use a carbon fibre weave when fibre reinforced plastic make most sense over something isotropic (like sheet metal) when you orient the fibres in the direction of the forces? Or are they just doing prototypes with prepreg weaves and start using unidirectional fibres once they've got the geometry dialed? I'm definitely not saying it doesn't look great fun already!
The other thing I wonder is if they're going to stick with using so many patches of material? I understand that this could be due to the fact that they're using prepreg material with limited (shear) flexibility so to fit it in such a complex curved shape they'll need multiple small patches to avoid wrinkles. Another reason could be that they want thicker walls in one place and can do with thinner walls elsewhere so layering is a way to achieve that. The downside is that if you have multiple small patches, you have more free edges. And as the frame is always going to flex a little, these free edges will wiggle with relative to the underlying larger patch and work themselves loose. That is, you'll have delamination. Or do they apply a larger sheet on the inside as well to fixate them? I couldn't figure that out from the video clip.
Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt the engineering is amazing and I think it is great they do so much in house. Cesar just made me curious when he said we could ask the technical details. So @paulaston if the invite still stands, could you pass these questions on?
As for the bikes, I think they look amazing. The low top tube makes them look good fun to move about on and it is good they design some flex in them. The higher price doesn't seem like a terrible issue considering what you're getting, it is just that current "progress" in bicycle component standards scare you to invest in a valuable chassis. My eight year old steel hardtail (DMR Switchback) is still going strong, with IS disc brake mounts, 1 1/8" straight steerer tube, 26.8mm seatpost and 26" wheels obviously. The lastest and greatest is not going to fit, except for the brake with an adaptor obviously. No problem for me, but what if it were some sweet titanium hardtail? You may not see it fit to swap out your old Fox fork out for something from Suntour even though it may perform as good or even better than what Fox was back then. So what if you get an amazing Unno now and want to upgrade some components six years from now? The new forks have a tapered metric 40mm/30mm steerer tube, shocks have got metric mounts, the brake calipers have radial brake mounts and by popular demand on PB, the industry went back to 26" wheels. I think this is drawback of an industry of component manufacturers who, with presumably good intentions, keeps fixing stuff that's never been an issue to the actual rider. And as I mentioned above, I can definitely see this backfire on the companies who stick out and build something truly amazing.
That said, I'd definitely love to see them proceed build the best stuff out there.
@vinay: The weave layer looked like it was non structural to me. If you look at the layers coming off the cutter they look unidirectional. It's pretty standard to put a twill layer over your structural material to highlight that it is carbon, and make it pretty. The weave/twill is what most people think of when you say carbon fiber
@vinay most Carbon fames are pit together using that many pieces. Most mountain are around 90ish I think. The Scott plasma 3 uses around 220.
I believe that 12k visible weave pattern is probably for asthetics. When carbon comes out of the mold, it is super uneven and not smooth/uniform. The frames have to undergo sanding to get that smooth carbon look. The sanding doesn't do anything structually.
I haven't heard of a a bike using all unidirectional weave. It makes more sense to use intersecting fiber weaves (the angles the angles between the fibers can be varied to affect the amount of torsion or flex).
Bicycling magazine does a very nice article explaining the carbon frame building process used by Look. I also wrote a 1500 word paper on the process from carbon acquisition to frame painting. I can send you it if you would like. It gives a good overview of the process.
We are using weave on the outside, mainly because it can stand much better impacts so you don't have delamination issues, at least not as bad as with UD, but under the skin we are using UD to better use of the carbon properties. Have in mind weave can only be used in 0-90º and +-45º, so for any other angle, either you go custom weaves (you can get special angles and even tripple direction ones), or you go UD.
There are a lot of patches, but not that many really, you don't want to go to a very heavy fiber, we use 150gsm, so you need quite a lot to get the bike covered and on target weight. Also small patches are to reinforce critical areas, radiuses, were mainly loads change directions... This layup took us 1.5 years to get here... We've broken easy over 15 frames in different tests, but on the other hand now we are passing double EN test loads.
Cheers for that @vinay, keep questions comming, or don't hesitate to post over in our FB we get you some real answers, no marketing BS for us.
@brightbmx: I mentioned already in another comment here so you can look up, but weave is for better impact resistance, rocks and so on... All taiwan made (or most have UD on the outside, what is no good for impacts)
@rideunno: Hi Cesar, thank you for your clear reply. I indeed understand that a weave is better for out of plane stresses like impacts (just like you'd use multiplex wood for the seat and backrest of a chair if it has to be thin). But if the main purpose of that layer is for impact, I'm sure you'd have considered using aramid fibres (by the large public known as Kevlar as made by DuPont) or at least an aramid/carbon hybrid weave. Now as you've still chosen for a full carbon weave on the outside, I'm curious why you still prefer that over aramid.
Good to know you've gone for UD for those smaller patches, actually I already expected you know your stuff and don't fall for the same traps as all those who produce "black metal" products (that is, those who design with carbon as if it were sheet metal).
Sorry I don't see myself ever bothering with FB so thank you so much for coming over to PB! Obviously I wouldn't mind if you copy this discussion to your FB page so that others can benefit as well .
@vinay: Cheers! We've looked for aramid, but there are also other fibers that are better suited now for that than aramid. Even if we experimented also with a company that makes a material that goes in between layers. There is so many new materials out there is crazy.
@rideunno: Thanks again, cool to know! Yes I was aware there are other capable options out there (I once had a lecture series about Dyneema by Akzo Nobel who claimed it was actually much stronger than Kevlar) though having sufficient impact resistance in carbon fibre is new for me. Aramid (branded Twaron by Ten Cate) once saved our ass big time in a crash during a test drive with our car where the carbon and epoxy completely disappeared. But that was abrasion as well, not impact exclusively.
Cool to see you're open for what's currently out there that might fit the bill. Gets me excited to see what will be next we'll see on your bikes. Organic resins sound cool, especially if it is competitive with epoxy. As you're working with prepreg, you could perhaps even try working with different resins for different layers. Never tried that, but could be interesting. In my experience thermoplast resins cope better with impact than thermoset so these might be good for the outer weave. Not sure if these are going to bond nicely with the thermoset layers inside (for structural stiffness). If the thermoplast material even stays put during the curing cycle, that is.
I love this stuff, thanks for being on the leading edge of bicycle design !
Yes this is all interesting but he didn't ask the eight questions what we all want to know is how many water bottle cage mounts the dh bikes will have?
Much respect for paying good wages, accepting enviro. regs. as a necessary cost of doing business that serve a real purpose, and not outsourcing to Asia. Nothing personal against Asians, but weak regulations and low wages drag down wages and weaken important regulations everywhere. Now if only I were wealthy, I'd buy a carbon bike made in the USA.
This is the type of manufacturing we need to get back to. Years ago a person made a large purchase and that item would last for years and years, that company would employ people who made a decent working wage. Now everything we have is junk and made to last a couple of years at most, or its not "in style" anymore so we replace it, and the people who make this junk are being taken advntage of. Its far more environmentally sustainable to make less bikes that last alot longer. Greed and boredom have got us to the point of replacing items far earlier then they should realistically need to be. The bike industry is a great example of this. A current $5000 bike will be "obsolete" in 3 years. Whether its a great bike or not. This is the main reason why i wont buy a new bike. I built my last bike out of the pb classifieds and its old but still a more capable bike then i am a rider, and i know im not alone.
Hopefully someday when I want a new bike I can walk down the street a ways and stick my usb stick into a big machine that prints out my own custom bike.
Interesting that people go on and on about working conditions in Asia. Didn't look like a sweatshop to me. Notice that the Giant employees had protective gear on unlike at Unno. So glad you posted that.
I love the fact that they are willing to give you straight answers on carbon layup and mold production. No marketing BS, just straight engineering facts.
Wow. Love that video. Really puts it into perspective of how much time/money/planning/designing/material/cutting goes into making this amazing works of art that we slay trails on! Cheers Unno!
@jorgeyarza81 no es que quiera parecer un engreído pero el artículo antes del sustantivo "unno" no es correcto, tendría que ser una A. razones fonéticas.
@Benito-Camelas: ostras... pues lo acabo de mirar y tienes razón (yo pensaba que delante de vocal siempre era "an"), resulta que, como tu dices, son razones fonéticas. Me lo apunto
It seams when to famous people have a love child they always give em a weird name... Looks like it's the same for the bike industry, Kona and specialized having an enduro love child named UNNO
We haven't read it, but we did wrote it though. You tell me where do you think the BS is, and I get you a straight answer and reason to it. If you come up with something that we've made out and is not real, you have a free frame!
@rideunno: Hola! Well, sorry for this but I am going to take my chance: With all due respect when you write "reducing the amount of transportation from Asia (a boat burns a lot of fuel) is a big plus for us too… " it really sounds marketing BS to me. I mean I doubt your carbon fiber and resin is made in Barcelona and I am pretty sure it came to you or to your provider from the same kind of boat you are talking about. Worst: considering the waste of material used in making the frame in BCN you are importing heavier amount of material then the weight of a frame. So actually more consumption. Also I doubt you will have distributors all around the world to sale your bikes, at least for a moment so you will sale directly from your house to the customers and probably shipping them one by one by airmail for oversea and even for a big part of european places. This is by far the very worst method for "environmental impact". And I will end my argumentation here to get a free frame, wait...PLEASE!! Now is done.
The point is I actually get back here googling for dyneema carbon+unno as I am pretty curious about this new material and find out the post of vinay. This material is certainly going to play big in the cycling industry in the near future: marketing BS or not.. but now I am sure you already know about it.
About me, well I am still looking for a bike to get back to this sport that I stopped when I left Barcelona 10 years ago. But my father still live there...sure it could take the frame at your door. Best in class environmental friendly business.
Congratulations for your work Unno, it takes balls and a lot of passion for this journey. Saludos.
"we’ve been extensively testing the frames here inside for fatigue, impact and performing a lot of stiffness tests to be able to replicate the aluminum feeling - that we love - into our carbon frames. "
@Kramz, for sure it is simplified and some things not even there, but we didn't want to have people sleeping in front of the computer . We will keep informing more each week in our FB page.
It can.... Design time (man hours) as well as the cost of the billets themselves. Then machining time (often billed by the minute unless you own your own CNC machines, which are prohibitively expensive) and so on and so on.
So 50k (EUR / USD) - not outside the realm of possibility.
@glasvagas not really, a mold for one size is around 6 to 10K, then add up sizes, but there are other molds invoved, so... It adds up a lot. In our case also we had to design the moulds, program for the milling machine... It adds up a lot of $$ in working hours...
Me too :-)
Not sure I like the look of the bikes, but still interesting.
Wait, what?
www.carbon-fiber.com/range.jpg
www.carbon-fiber.com/range.jpg
Way better and more convincing than "A carbon frame needs hundreds of pieces wich is why our frames are soooo expensive."
m.youtube.com/watch?v=oagmlbhobnY
I like the "made by engineers, not marketers" kind of speech but hey, that's what people want to hear! They're only trying to sell their stuff!
The other thing I wonder is if they're going to stick with using so many patches of material? I understand that this could be due to the fact that they're using prepreg material with limited (shear) flexibility so to fit it in such a complex curved shape they'll need multiple small patches to avoid wrinkles. Another reason could be that they want thicker walls in one place and can do with thinner walls elsewhere so layering is a way to achieve that. The downside is that if you have multiple small patches, you have more free edges. And as the frame is always going to flex a little, these free edges will wiggle with relative to the underlying larger patch and work themselves loose. That is, you'll have delamination. Or do they apply a larger sheet on the inside as well to fixate them? I couldn't figure that out from the video clip.
Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt the engineering is amazing and I think it is great they do so much in house. Cesar just made me curious when he said we could ask the technical details. So @paulaston if the invite still stands, could you pass these questions on?
As for the bikes, I think they look amazing. The low top tube makes them look good fun to move about on and it is good they design some flex in them. The higher price doesn't seem like a terrible issue considering what you're getting, it is just that current "progress" in bicycle component standards scare you to invest in a valuable chassis. My eight year old steel hardtail (DMR Switchback) is still going strong, with IS disc brake mounts, 1 1/8" straight steerer tube, 26.8mm seatpost and 26" wheels obviously. The lastest and greatest is not going to fit, except for the brake with an adaptor obviously. No problem for me, but what if it were some sweet titanium hardtail? You may not see it fit to swap out your old Fox fork out for something from Suntour even though it may perform as good or even better than what Fox was back then. So what if you get an amazing Unno now and want to upgrade some components six years from now? The new forks have a tapered metric 40mm/30mm steerer tube, shocks have got metric mounts, the brake calipers have radial brake mounts and by popular demand on PB, the industry went back to 26" wheels. I think this is drawback of an industry of component manufacturers who, with presumably good intentions, keeps fixing stuff that's never been an issue to the actual rider. And as I mentioned above, I can definitely see this backfire on the companies who stick out and build something truly amazing.
That said, I'd definitely love to see them proceed build the best stuff out there.
I believe that 12k visible weave pattern is probably for asthetics. When carbon comes out of the mold, it is super uneven and not smooth/uniform. The frames have to undergo sanding to get that smooth carbon look. The sanding doesn't do anything structually.
I haven't heard of a a bike using all unidirectional weave. It makes more sense to use intersecting fiber weaves (the angles the angles between the fibers can be varied to affect the amount of torsion or flex).
Bicycling magazine does a very nice article explaining the carbon frame building process used by Look. I also wrote a 1500 word paper on the process from carbon acquisition to frame painting. I can send you it if you would like. It gives a good overview of the process.
We are using weave on the outside, mainly because it can stand much better impacts so you don't have delamination issues, at least not as bad as with UD, but under the skin we are using UD to better use of the carbon properties. Have in mind weave can only be used in 0-90º and +-45º, so for any other angle, either you go custom weaves (you can get special angles and even tripple direction ones), or you go UD.
There are a lot of patches, but not that many really, you don't want to go to a very heavy fiber, we use 150gsm, so you need quite a lot to get the bike covered and on target weight. Also small patches are to reinforce critical areas, radiuses, were mainly loads change directions... This layup took us 1.5 years to get here... We've broken easy over 15 frames in different tests, but on the other hand now we are passing double EN test loads.
Cheers for that @vinay, keep questions comming, or don't hesitate to post over in our FB we get you some real answers, no marketing BS for us.
Good to know you've gone for UD for those smaller patches, actually I already expected you know your stuff and don't fall for the same traps as all those who produce "black metal" products (that is, those who design with carbon as if it were sheet metal).
Sorry I don't see myself ever bothering with FB so thank you so much for coming over to PB! Obviously I wouldn't mind if you copy this discussion to your FB page so that others can benefit as well .
Cool to see you're open for what's currently out there that might fit the bill. Gets me excited to see what will be next we'll see on your bikes. Organic resins sound cool, especially if it is competitive with epoxy. As you're working with prepreg, you could perhaps even try working with different resins for different layers. Never tried that, but could be interesting. In my experience thermoplast resins cope better with impact than thermoset so these might be good for the outer weave. Not sure if these are going to bond nicely with the thermoset layers inside (for structural stiffness). If the thermoplast material even stays put during the curing cycle, that is.
I love this stuff, thanks for being on the leading edge of bicycle design !
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdG6xEowmis
its around minute 4 if you want to check it out.
vimeo.com/134528247
he talks profiteering, and other manu issues.........
Business like these make me feel proud as a MTB and engineering lover and as a spaniard too.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSUKM3bvcyk
Best of luck @jorgeyarza81
razones fonéticas.
With all due respect when you write "reducing the amount of transportation from Asia (a boat burns a lot of fuel) is a big plus for us too… " it really sounds marketing BS to me. I mean I doubt your carbon fiber and resin is made in Barcelona and I am pretty sure it came to you or to your provider from the same kind of boat you are talking about. Worst: considering the waste of material used in making the frame in BCN you are importing heavier amount of material then the weight of a frame. So actually more consumption.
Also I doubt you will have distributors all around the world to sale your bikes, at least for a moment so you will sale directly from your house to the customers and probably shipping them one by one by airmail for oversea and even for a big part of european places. This is by far the very worst method for "environmental impact". And I will end my argumentation here to get a free frame, wait...PLEASE!! Now is done.
The point is I actually get back here googling for dyneema carbon+unno as I am pretty curious about this new material and find out the post of vinay. This material is certainly going to play big in the cycling industry in the near future: marketing BS or not.. but now I am sure you already know about it.
About me, well I am still looking for a bike to get back to this sport that I stopped when I left Barcelona 10 years ago. But my father still live there...sure it could take the frame at your door. Best in class environmental friendly business.
Congratulations for your work Unno, it takes balls and a lot of passion for this journey. Saludos.
Love it!
So 50k (EUR / USD) - not outside the realm of possibility.
Faster than many......
ALLOY 4LIFE.
PS: nice bike