Good News on Hope Tech’s HB.211 Trail Bike and Carbon Handlebar - Core Bike Show 2017

Jan 22, 2017
by Ross Bell  
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Hope Tech

Hope caused quite the stir with the unveiling of their in-house designed and manufactured prototype HB.211 trail bike early last year. Since then, the project has gathered momentum. New molds have been machined and serial production is on the horizon. In addition to the latest news on the HB.211, we also got the inside story on Hope's upcoming carbon handlebars.

Hope Tech
The HB.211 is aiming high in the marketplace with low volume numbers and only top-spec, full build options with tops specs.

Hope's long-awaited trail bike will be built at their factory in low volumes (around four units per week) and to start, will only be available in medium and large sizes. A size small will be coming into production at a later date (the moulds are currently being machined at the factory). There will be no frame-only option, with full builds decked out in high-end spec, and kitted out with either Öhlins or Fox suspension. Prices were not finalized, but the HB.211 will be aimed to compete with the likes of Specialized and Santa Cruz. As of yet, there are no concrete dates for availability, but come Eurobike, Hope aims to be close to that mark.

Hope Tech
No final specifications have been confirmed, but expect the final builds to offer Ohlins or Fox suspension. The medium-sized bike with a coil shock tips the scales around the 30-pound mark.
Hope Tech
Every part of the frame is machined in house at Barnoldswick, from the CNC-machined aluminum rear triangle, right down to the plastic cable routing ports.

Producing aluminum handlebars left Hope with no option but to use Far Eastern manufacturing, so Hope instead turned to carbon fiber, which meant that they could keep the production at their factory in the UK. Hand in hand with the HB.211, Hope learned valuable experience laying up carbon fiber, which led to the possibility to produce the bars in-house. Presently Hope is manufacturing the bars, with an emphasis on speeding up production, intimating that current rates are putting a strain on the bar's economic viability.

Hope Tech
Handlebars are now in their final production form, with Hope now working on streamlining production times before going to market.
Hope Tech
Experience gained from the HB.211 project has been utilized to create the handlebar molds and layup process.

Hope Tech
The wider 'bulbous' area in the center of the bars extends beyond the clamping area - something which Hope says, offers up a significantly stronger handlebar. If you fancy getting your hands on a set, Hope projects a late spring release.

Hope's carbon bars will be offered at 780 mm in width and initially, only in a 20 mm rise. But, depending upon demand, Hope are keeping a flexible approach. They have a possible advantage over rivals, with their ability to machine their own molds and manufacture under the same roof. As for availability, you’ll be able to get your hands on Hope's new bars in late spring of 2017.




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205 Comments

  • + 186
 I Hope I can afford that bike.
  • + 26
 I doubt I will, but Hope springs eternal.
  • + 36
 @Fix-the-Spade: When this bike hits the trails the buzz will be a-pawling
  • - 49
flag jathomas76 (Jan 22, 2017 at 15:16) (Below Threshold)
 I Hope they bring them to my country, I carbon wait to get my hands on one!
  • - 9
flag viatch (Jan 22, 2017 at 15:34) (Below Threshold)
 dissapointing. all that super-advanced-tech-state-of-the-art motif and cant even fir a waterbottle inside?

pfft....
  • - 20
flag Fix-the-Spade (Jan 22, 2017 at 15:39) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: Even with the noise It'll be fun to ride, Ohlin on every trail.
  • - 15
flag rivercitycycles Plus (Jan 22, 2017 at 16:23) (Below Threshold)
 I have no Hopes of being able to afford that smashing piece of kit
  • - 15
flag Xc2dh1 (Jan 22, 2017 at 18:25) (Below Threshold)
 @viatch: platypus water bottle in yer pocket.
  • + 7
 @viatch: who the f#ck use use's watwr bottles any more?
  • + 9
 780mm??? Don't they mean 30.708 inches?
  • + 14
 @freedog454: maybe people who drink water.
  • + 22
 @freedog454:

Nobody i guess because nobody knows what watwr is. On the other hand, loads of people drink water from bottles when biking.
  • + 8
 @StraightLineJoe: I do. I prefer that than carrying a backpack. Tools/tube/keys/phone and one water bottle into the vest. Second water bottle to the frame. I really don't like backpacks and fanny packs. I use backpack only on hottest days when I need lots of water and wearing the vest is not an option. I'd love to have a SWAT compartment in my bike.
  • + 3
 @freedog454: what's a "water bottle"?
  • - 1
 I can't afford this bike. It's Hopeless for me.
  • - 4
flag Jack-McLovin (Jan 23, 2017 at 11:55) (Below Threshold)
 Hit me with that down vote button
  • + 98
 I think this is the first full suspension carbon bike to be made in a country with some legitimate environmental regulations--I love hope tech.
  • + 6
 Its just too good and awesome ! Once you have any of their product you cant imagine yourself with something else... looking for that handlebar!!
  • + 31
 What about alchemy? At the moment the US still has legitimate environmental regulations
  • + 6
 Ellsworth's are being made near San Diego I believe... Smile
  • + 10
 @powderturns: Their carbon frame parts are made in Taiwan.
  • + 22
 @j12j: cough trump cough ... there will be no more environmental regulations lmao
  • + 21
 @RedBurn: You have a dishearteningly valid point there. The EPA will basically be no more... And I personally believe that of all possible failures that is one that will be difficult to turn back the clock on. And if they do mess up.. its gonna be Yuuuge
  • + 2
 @powderturns: they are farmed out to Taiwan as well...... the company that owns them is in Rancho Bernardo
  • + 3
 @j12j: Alchemy only does their front ends in the U.S.
  • + 1
 @powderturns: Not Carbon ones
  • - 13
flag Badassbaby (Jan 22, 2017 at 22:15) (Below Threshold)
 @swamper1: sky is falling attitude...nice
  • + 1
 How about Unno and Robotbike.co?
  • + 1
 The trek Session is made in Waterloo Wisconsin.
  • - 6
flag Warburrito (Jan 24, 2017 at 7:09) (Below Threshold)
 @swamper1: @redburn: you guys have got to be kidding me. You really don't think our environmental regulations are seriously out of control here in the US? We should have an EPA, but they overstep their boundaries constantly and are a completely unchecked branch of govt. Our founders didn't believe in unlimited power but in checks and balances. Their end goal is not bad, but the way they operate is apalling and they need to be reigned in.
  • + 1
 @vinay: Robotbike co's Carbon tubes are made in New Zealand.
  • + 44
 Man, Hope makes some sick stuff no matter what part of the bike you're looking at... And now they have the bike to go with it.
  • - 8
flag WAKIdesigns (Jan 22, 2017 at 14:15) (Below Threshold)
 I will gladly sell you their crankset, chainguide and pedals...
  • - 5
flag thenotoriousmic (Jan 22, 2017 at 14:49) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: best cranks on the market by a mile what would possibly replace them with?
  • + 6
 @thenotoriousmic: much more involved installation which is more time consuming and requires custom tools and following precise procedure - because of this spiderless rings also take much longer to change.

Once installed they are solid though, but so are a set of M8000s, would happily run Hopes either way.
  • + 24
 @thenotoriousmic: Well, Shimano. Any cranks on the market can be replaced by some mid range Shimano anf it'll run just as well or better. Bloody Japanese!
  • + 14
 Downvoted for saying hope make the best cranks? pinkbike getting more ridiculous by the hour. Brandon semenuk makes the best cranks... happy now?
  • - 4
flag FrozenTreads56 (Jan 22, 2017 at 16:48) (Below Threshold)
 its all good dude but that rear shock is just eww. or at least on the build in the pictures
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: I'm right with you.
  • + 3
 @Racer951: the only downside about Shimano is that it's not direct mount (chain ring) compatible. That would drop their weight to underneath Sram X0 cranks as well as no chain ring bolts that could accidentally come loose and ruin your ride.
  • + 1
 @thenotoriousmic: raceface makes the best cranks
  • + 5
 @thenotoriousmic: best cranks? The spiderless chain ring got loose on me twice and it takes me 30 minutes to fix it. Crank removal is a joke. Do you know how little does it take to remove and reinstall shimano cranks? It was the third time I chose a Hope product out of sentiment of a company that makes stuff in Europe. Never again. First chain guide was crap, pins on F20s are worthless even with 5.10s. That leaves me with liking two of tgeir products: headsets and front hubs.
  • + 5
 @WAKIdesigns what's your experience with the brakes been like? I've only ever had hope stoppers and they've always been spot on.
  • - 3
 @WAKIdesigns: I’ve just got to weight in. I bought a Hope crankset, pedals, bb chainring and cassette. The pins are flipping grippy as on the pedals the rest is light, strong turns smoothly looks da shiit and so far really reliable. As far as I’m concerned your trolling ways are bubbling to the surface again
  • + 7
 @mrwynnewillson: I'm not so sure its trolling, he's allowed to claim the legitimately more complex Hope set up has its drawbacks- the reviews of the crankset iirc made mention of the fussy set up and the supplied proprietary tools needed- in spite of the great workmanship etc. And I've certainly seen some unfavourable reports of grip on the f20's/ in other reviews. It might have been put in a not so subtle way this time, but its not new information to the MTB world..
  • + 5
 @mrwynnewillson: he isnt trolling this time to be fair. Early Hope pins did give poor grip and as a home mechanic Hope cranks are a pain to work on but do work well when installed.

In fairness to Hope though the Cranks are rock solid in use, pedals hugely reliable once grip sorted and I love their brakes and hubs - I am a shimano drivetrain and vault pedal man though.
  • + 2
 @Racer951: ding lol
  • + 8
 @mrwynnewillson: ok I apologize I did buy all of these to troll people. Especially Hope fanbois. No no you are right I am just a troll, I don't own any of these. I have never owned a single Hope product. You exposed me. With your British sense of humor and ability to distance yourself.
  • + 5
 @WAKIdesigns: I'd agree with you on the original pins, the replacement ones are much more efficient at tearing chunks out y'shins.
  • + 4
 @fatduke: I did get them to grip rather ok after I filed their side surfaces making them more vertical and thinner. The funny thing is that I own Superstar El-plastique. Not only they grip best of all I tried (multiple wellgos, saints, Vaults, Hopes, NS - I mean without using very long pins that would butcher my shins/calves open at first hit) but they just don't want to die - I am commuting with them in "British weather" since 2 years without servicing them. Still roll smoothly. If it pisses bricks I need to ride in rubber boots which have shitty sole. I tried 3 different pedals and E-Plastiques are the only ones which work.
  • + 1
 @FrozenTreads56: steady on, there's no need to get carried away now.
  • - 1
 @WAKIdesigns: Slipping around on Hope pedals is such an old claim now. They all come with hollow pins the platform is easily as good as Vault and less chunky. I'm not shouting about hope products cos they don't need me to promote them. I consider myself a poor mechanic but to get the cranks on and off you need like 1 attachment on a ratchet and everything comes in the box.
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: Witho you on the cranks - totally uncpmpetitive weight for the price, locked into expeonsive propietary rings, pain to fit and remove and have been known to come loose too.

Pedals not a great shape, no concave to them at all, but well made.

I'll add their grips, which are light look good and offer no grip or cushioning whatsoever.

LOVE the brakes, though.
  • + 5
 Trump makes the best cranks. Period.
  • + 1
 @uphill-blues: and they are free cuz Mexico has already paid for them.
  • + 1
 Best bit is it will be cheaper to buy in uk as now export taxes its great being British ????????
  • + 28
 If I won the lottery, I'm sure I'll buy one of these.
  • - 4
flag nicolai12 (Jan 22, 2017 at 15:20) (Below Threshold)
 How much is this bike. I feel like they made it to bring attention to their brand...
  • + 11
 @nicolai12: hahaha really a company built a product to bring attention to their brand,this must be a first.
  • + 19
 Can I just have a coil shock on my downhill bike and an air shock on my trail bike please? Cheers.
  • + 5
 ^this
  • + 17
 Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion. Simultaneously the source of your greatest strength. And... your greatest weakness.
  • + 3
 Much like Faith.
  • + 1
 If I were you I would Hope that we don't meet again.
  • + 18
 wait a carbon/aluminum bike that isn't made in China, Taiwan or Vietnam?
  • + 85
 You'll know it wasn't made in Asia when you see the pricetag
  • + 2
 @tom666: Priced to compete with bikes that are. Vertical integration means they're building their own moulds, which are insanely expensive for their competitors.
  • + 0
 @xTwoSnakesx: yeah true, but I think alot of us are willing to pay for a high quality bike not built in Asia.
  • + 1
 @Pmrmusic26: Oh for sure, I agree. I'm all about that (my bike is made in Quebec). Just saying that while it will be expensive, it doesn't seem like it will be ridiculously expensive (to the point that it will outprice bikes made abroad as implied by Tom).
  • + 4
 I've been down with the Ohlins for a bit but Specialize red carpet morals turns me away. Now hope is messing with Ohlins = awesomeness, I'm just worried that Specialize will sue them now... eeerrr
  • + 4
 Shit, I hope the ride blows your mind as much as the hole left in your wallet haha. Seriously though, that is one sick looking bike! Hope is killin it! I run their Tech 3 V4 brake and they are supreme.
  • + 3
 Those brakes are truly incredible. Gives you an insane amount of confidence.
  • + 4
 Nice to see a carbon bike that will let you use the rear brake on the left without compromising the cable routing. Building at the rate of 4/week is a bit scary for anyone that wants it though.
  • + 5
 Looks nice enough but curious about geo. Once in production, I hope they consider a name change. HB.211 sounds like a toaster oven.
  • + 7
 Is that a 650b Ohlins fork?!
  • + 3
 No look at the tyre clearance in the second picture, its 29
  • + 1
 @harrisonwright: That seems sketchy
  • + 1
 @Coldspringer: not if the frame is designed for this a2c length, which I assume it is.
  • + 2
 @harrisonwright: To me that just looks like proper tyre clearance. Add an inch of good Yorkshire mud and that gap won't be there anymore. Interesting choice to run a 29 fork with 650 wheels though.
  • + 1
 Ive rode with woody from hope before, and can confirm that they all run 29 forks; even as someone who works for spesh, i couldnt get a 650b ohlins, there is no such thing as of yet! Frown
  • + 3
 For what I am betting will be less money (albeit not a lot less), if buying in the Western world was a priority I would rather go with the upcoming Liteville 601 Mk4. Also made in Europe, with more consideration to common standards. The Hope was conceived originally on a clean sheet of paper and without regard to current standards: a "what if" experiment to see what the engineers could cook up if not constrained by current standards. If they have since deviated from this course now that the bike is nearing production, I may have missed as I skimmed the article. Just something to consider when it comes time to replace a BB or cassette. Weightof the 601 should be comparable plus a 10 year transferable warranty.
  • + 1
 'Common standards'? Right, because they don't change year on year these days.
Iirc from the original article the only proprietary thing was the rear brake mount/calliper. Hub spacing is standard (non-boost) as is BB etc?
  • + 3
 Liteville welds in Taiwan. Really nice bikes though.
  • + 1
 @gibbon-on-an-orange: I think they also made their own wheel size.
  • + 1
 @xTwoSnakesx: I've just found the original article. It's 27.5 but 17x130 rear hub, so the axle is indeed proprietary. Something said about a 30mm BB too but no mention on the width and if it's standard or not.
Still, snap an axle and Hope can just machine you a new one I guess. Maybe after sales service will be included in the no doubt extreme price tag!
  • + 1
 @gibbon-on-an-orange: I've experienced Hope's customer service on their standard products. They are one of the best around in my opinion. I've contacted them on a few occasions for various bits and pieces, and they've always been really helpful. They even repaired the cable on a very out of warranty light battery for free. So if thats anything to go by, I can only assume their customer service on the bike will be outstanding!
  • + 4
 How many jizzing pommies are gonna give up on getting their teeth fixed for another few years to get ahold of this piece of patriotic porn.
  • + 5
 New bars just in time for the new bike.
  • + 3
 Handlebar looks like a 31.8, curious since everything else seems to go to 35 these days...not that I want that. Actually refreshing if they're staying with 31.8.
  • + 2
 i thought the general consensus was that 35mm bars were not a good idea but manufacturers were trying to push them out regardless.....renthal even stated they didn't see any benefits but made a 35mm option in case people do want them...or something to that effect.

allso i remember the whole "35mm bars are great but my arms hurt"......then we have vibracore arrive on the scene......but couldnt i just use my 31.8mm bars?.....

and likely the comments will be "i need bigger bars because since 2016 31.8mm cant handle my massive power and i broke like a dozen bars last year.....also it makes a difference in my turning speed and no its not a placebo effect."

its people like this that are ruining mtb innovation buy purchasing any old crap shovelware products that we never even needed just because its new and shiny and now we have suspension grips and vibracore Frown
  • + 1
 Actually, most pros are running 31.8, esp dh where Al is also more prevalent for more conpliance. Race face, easton, santa cruz...other than that not a ton of 35mm
  • + 1
 wow I really want that bike.....shudder to think how much it will cost.....maybe if I sell my dh, freeride, trail oh and carbon xc hardtail bikes I might just have enough to get close to this? depends are we talking 6k or closer to 10k?
  • + 3
 Over £8k at least. If you price up all of the hope components alone you are talking a few thousand. Then the forks are what £7-800+. Rear shock over £6-700. Then a small batch produced carbon frame. I feel that if it was being produced 5 - 10 years ago it might of been barely affordable but with the market as it is today its a license to print money and as such will be overpriced. I want one dont get me wrong but I would never pay that much money for a push bike.
  • + 2
 @Paul7189: i fear you may be right......i liked the good old days a few years back say 2010 when very nice bikes could be had for 3-4k then the bigger wheel options came along and the prices shot up like it was justified. Unfortunately there are too many people with more money than sense and will simply buy nice bikes regardless of how overpriced they are. I guess this has more reason than most to be expensive but can i get a retro priced 26" version please for say 5k please. i really like this bike but will likely have to pass on it. Heck if its anything over 5k i would just get a yeti sb6c (2016 model) instead. shame as it looks an awesome bit of kit .
  • + 3
 @rabidmonkfish: for a hobby which it is what mountain biking is to nearly everyone here, a £2000 bike is more than enough. Actually a £1500 bike is still probably enough.
  • + 2
 @Paul7189: yep i agree. i do think there are some good bargains to be had as the pay off for the manufacturers pushing the latest stuff on us is that any unsold stock has to have heavy discounts too. Yeh some great bikes can be had in the clearance sections of CRC for one.
  • + 4
 Lovely looking bike but that rear end looks like it will be a pain in the arse to clean
  • + 14
 you just get the butler to clean ones bike
  • + 2
 Spray it with cooking spray before rides
  • + 1
 If aluminum bikes are too expensive to manufacture in the UK it makes me wonder what the margins are like on carbon bikes. They must be better than on ALU since I can only assume it's cheaper to manufacture carbon overseas just like it would be for ALU. I am prepared for down votes.
  • + 4
 Sure it is not the average "looks like a session" bike with this Ohlins bling
  • + 1
 This is the best news for Pinkbike, as they can write a few articles about it and earn some money. Sorry, but another carbon bar and another pricey carbon bike. Millions will read about it, 100 will buy it.
  • + 4
 Looks like a $10,000 top tier build.
  • + 3
 One of the hope guys said it'd be high end pricing when I was asking at a race this year.
  • + 4
 Still 2500$ Less than a fkng Felt...
  • + 1
 If hope would release those green components, then the pound will be through the roof. I hope this bike comes with all the colored bits.
  • + 0
 sick AF, but really bad timing, rise of direct sales, and the political and economical shenanigans going on. but need a hope groupset to have a completely hope made bike except for suspension, tyres and saddle.
  • + 2
 I love Hope's stuff. Im going to start selling off my possessions in the hopes of getting one.
  • + 1
 it might have to be a kidney .but hey you have a spare
  • + 1
 Banks are hoping all pinbikers will take out a loan to afford this high end monster. I bet a dentist would slightly shudder at the price tag.
  • + 2
 It will be interesting to see how it fares against other bikes in the same category and price range. It sure looks good
  • + 1
 (...low volume numbers and only top-spec, full build options with tops specs...) Lots of Top Spec and Specs I see.

But I sure would be excited to try one of these.
  • + 2
 Another awesome looking bike that I'll have to file into my when I win the lottery file
  • + 1
 Hope for me has always been about beautiful machined aluminium components. It's a shame they have gone down the black clothy gluey stuff.
  • + 1
 Yep I agree. No love for carbon.
  • - 1
 @thenotoriousmic: HOPE those bars don't splinter in your HB.211' s
  • + 2
 No one will be complaining about in-house components here
  • + 2
 their bars look like renthal.
  • - 2
 It's a hybrid bike with that billet rear end and carbon front triangle. More would be interested if it were 100% carbon. I'm sure in a year or so after they are up for sale they'll come out with a full carbon frame n piss off everyone that bought the hybrid.
Full carbon with all Hope goodies and Fox suspension and I'll take one.
I have the new Hope brakes and absolutely love them. Loads of modulation, strong as can be, and they look amazing!!!
I'm all for the bike, just need to finish it with a carbon rear end.
  • + 3
 I'd rather they use the best material for the job.
  • + 0
 @scottzg: yeah me too, carbon fiber. That's why I said what I did. When Hope figures out how to lay up a carbon rear end like the Taiwanese they will use the best material for the job. They're just now figuring out how to properly build carbon fiber handlebars. When they perfect the handlebar layup, they'll be closer to building a carbon rear end. It's only a matter of time. They'll get there. For now they're using aluminum because it's much easier for them. Machining aluminum is what Hope is all about.
Anyhow, your statement is true and so is mine. Cheers.
  • + 1
 If I buy this bike can I finally get green Hope components? Stupid team only color happens to be the color I want.
  • + 2
 so Hope made a Carbon Truvativ BooBar?
  • + 2
 Hope is over. Trump will ban this bike from being imported to the US.
  • + 1
 Probably wont be a ban but costly tarriffs. Get ur imports soon(espchinese stuff)
  • + 1
 @jrocksdh: I was just playing on Obama's "Hope" campaign which is now over
  • - 1
 @Dustfarter: hoping for great jobs and healthcare again! Lost my good private hcare to really expensive crappy obamacare thats more than my rent!
  • + 1
 Good News on Hope Tech’s HB.211 Trail Bike, i was really hoping it was the cheap price
  • + 1
 Is it just me or does anyone else hate the look of the seat and chain stays?
  • + 2
 This is definitely going on my "next bike"list!!!
  • - 2
 That frame looks absolutely stunning!
I don't like, however, that they copied Antidote´s rear end or rather the chainstays for that matter.
Unfortunately also the carbon bars have an even uglier form than a boobar... I didn't even know that was possible.
  • + 1
 Not loving the bulbous flare out of the handlebar at the rise... looks cheap and nasty
  • + 3
 Looks like a Taniwha
  • + 0
 i've got a pro 4 hub with two hundred miles on it and failed bearings, Hope says they are wear items and i should buy some new ones. lol so good
  • + 1
 Why a reverb? Should've spec-ed a thompson
  • + 1
 How much the frame ?? #YTprice ahaha
  • + 1
 If only they produced an inline carbon dh seatpost too.
  • + 1
 Looks good, tastes bad, or so I'm told. I have my sources.
  • + 0
 Here's a carbon frame being manufactured in the UK and PB wants to ramble about CF bars being made in house?
Disappointing.
  • + 1
 I like all aluminium parts, the rear is great!
  • + 1
 The down tube looks absolutely huge on that thing!
  • + 1
 That is one sexy ass bike. Hubba hubba.
  • + 0
 It's a nice looking bike, I'd hoped they'ed come up with a better name for it.
  • + 0
 Only size medium and large? Guess I can never get one. Not like I could afford it anyway.
  • + 0
 Why not just start at 800? I have shorter reach than most my height and love deity 787 and i run palms on ends.
  • + 1
 What a bike.! I believe I will not be able to afford to buy one of these
  • + 7
 Bank loans are a thing, also, you have two kidneys but only need one to live.
  • + 3
 @Fix-the-Spade: this could be the problem. Poor credit and already sold a kidney! Just sell a child or a wife, or both & have the time to ride it too! Lol
  • + 3
 Work harder or smarter. There's always hope
  • + 2
 @cunning-linguist: sell the wife and kids kidneys = new bike Wink
  • + 2
 The problem I would have is the pressure. Like I'd buy that bike, and it would be like, "well I do suck just as bad as if I saved >4000$, so................."
  • + 1
 That weave.. doesnt get much better than that
  • + 1
 Looks like a Nomad crossed with a Patrol.. Do like!!!
  • + 0
 Want! But in aluminium please...and with an easier to get serviced fox or rs coil.
  • + 12
 No aluminum, no requests, no frame only, only complete with the bestest of parts...us 99% are not their target market...1%'er fodder Smile
  • + 4
 @loopie: yep for old guys only.
  • + 7
 @thenotoriousmic: Got a dentist appointment in the AM. I'll see what he thinks of it.
  • + 1
 @weebleswobbles: rich older guy dentists. There you go mate.
  • + 1
 @nickkk: cliche bingo
  • + 1
 beautiful bike
  • - 1
 That cable routing seems a bit weird. Won't the cables be pulled in and out of the frame with each movement of the shock?
  • + 0
 Sorry, I see fox shock is an option. Thumbs up!
  • + 3
 You'd be mad not to stick with the über Don Juan the f*cking one "hey look at me, I could finger blast your missus if I wanted to and you couldn't do shit I'm that rich" öhlins suspension.
  • + 0
 hope fan boys are going to cum in their pants
  • + 0
 Hmmm... Brexit isn't working well for this thing
  • + 6
 We'll sell trillions to the USA so don't worry ! Lol
  • + 1
 @Matt115lamb: Just keep in mind they've got a new "president" Wink
  • + 6
 @ZeBraW: not our president ,that's Putin's boy, that meglo maniac will start WW3
  • + 1
 When the pound drops this will be as cheap as pomme frites
  • + 1
 @Matt115lamb: not likely. Trump intends to slap a fat tariff on anything not locally grown.
  • + 1
 @Joker72: yeah but not for us cos we've a SPECIAL relationship ! If I get a pay rise in next 30 years I might treat myself one ! Hehe
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 @Joker72: that sounds strangely intelligent of him don't you think?
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 ........and yeah, start with an 800 mm bar per @jrocksdh.
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 Definitely no RS suspension or SRAM goodies. Not good when you spec your competitors parts on your bike.
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 hopefully
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 soooooo cant wait for these bars..
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 Wow!! now that is a bike! compare this to DMR latest disaster piece and see the difference
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 I don't see the disaster. Actually I would like to see a VPP on the HB.211 over the four-bar...
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 Instant pimp status no matter how you ride......
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 Ohlins for me ta!
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 They do not disappoint.
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 Looks great
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 I'm way past the lazy stage !
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 oh god no not the hope puns again
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