US Secretary of the Interior Opens National Park Trails to eMTBs

Aug 30, 2019
by Daniel Sapp  
Photo courtesy of Pivot

According to a statement from the United States Department of the Interior, eBikes, including eMTB, will now be classified as non-motorized bikes and will have the same rights and access to federal trails in many national parks and other federally managed lands, at least those managed by the DOI which accounts for about 75% of public lands in the US.

So what does this exactly mean? The full text of order 3376, entitled "Increasing Recreational Opportunities through the use of Electric Bikes" is a couple of pages long, but to sum it up, any bike trail in a National park or on federally managed land under the Department of the Interior that is open to mountain bikes is now open to pedal-assist eBikes. It's worth noting that US Forest Service lands are managed under the Department of Agriculture and are not covered by this statement.

National Park Service Deputy Director Dan Smith issued a statement on Friday saying, “e-bikes make bicycle travel easier and more efficient, and they provide an option for people who want to ride a bicycle but might not otherwise do so because of physical fitness, age, disability or convenience.”

According to the NPS, the move is designed to help clarify the classification of what an eBike is and help to improve the internal management of the department. The National Parks Service, National Wildlife Refuge System, BLM, and BOR are given 14 days to work out changes to their rules and comply with the provision that "eBikes shall be allowed where other types of bicycles are allowed" and "eBikes shall not be allowed where other types of bicycles are prohibited."

The order encompasses class 1, 2, and 3 bikes. eBikes and eMTB are categorized, by definition, due to their motor size and and capabilities:

Class 1: eBikes that are pedal-assist only, have no throttle, and a maximum assisted speed of 20mph.
Class 2: eBikes that have a maximum speed of 20mph but are also throttle assisted.
Class 3: eBikes that are pedal-assist only, do not have a throttle, and have a maximum speed of 28mph.


Canada also Clarifies e-Bike Trail Access in BC

Interestingly enough, British Columbia's parks system also just implemented a policy allowing class 1 e-bikes on trails open to bicycles but restricting class 2 and 3 bikes to trails for motorized vehicles.

Check out the full order on the US Department of the Interior website and let us know how you feel about it in the comments below.


270 Comments

  • 429 10
 Let’s not forget who the real enemy is - horseback riders
  • 29 0
 All the upvotes!
  • 61 7
 I've been saying for years all user groups need to unite against equestrians! I'd rather have to stop riding and let 100 dweebs on ebikes roll through than deal with a single group of horseback riders.
  • 91 1
 say what you will about e-bikers, but at least they don't leave huge piles of shit in the middle of a trail
  • 186 0
 Preach. Horses can poop right in the middle of the trail but when I do it I'm apparently some kinda fuckin weirdo.
  • 44 0
 I've never encountered an unpleasant horseback rider. However, I've ridden plenty of trail that is totally destroyed from horses via deep holes and huge piles of crap. So, I have no option but to dislike them.
  • 57 28
 Did you ever consider that perhaps there are no enemies, just other trail users to share the place with?
  • 24 25
 @jpcars10s: dweebs? e-bikes help thousands of people get out and ride . How is that being a dweeb?
  • 32 1
 @notsofastoverfifty: any user group that constantly causes significant trail damage is an enemy. I can also attest where I am they do not contribute to trail maintenance either as a user group.
  • 4 0
 @matt-15: however, they can sometimes eat shit in the middle of a trail.
  • 19 3
 I would take 50 ebikers over horse dorks any day.
  • 32 1
 @jorgeposada: would you rather have 50 e-biker sized horses or 1 horse sized e-biker
  • 5 4
 @matt-15: I rather go off a 30 foot drop backwards on skis where there are neither.
  • 3 0
 No shit!
  • 7 3
 @notsofastoverfifty: well said, it’s easy to segregate people into groups, and once in those groups marginalise them. We are at the end of the day all people who want to be outside and enjoy it.
  • 4 0
 +100 on horse back riders. They tear up the trail as bad as anyone.

And don’t even get me started on cross country skiers!
  • 58 65
flag scott-townes (Aug 30, 2019 at 16:34) (Below Threshold)
 Its crazy how many people are oblivious to the impacts of this. Many hardcore republicans support this move. Why is this? Because it sets a precedent to allowing all kinds of motorized access to national parks. The main goal is to remove roadblocks to exploiting lands that are protected under national park designations. For a few examples, this can eventually result in logging becoming allowed to "manage" the protected forests and also to justify constructing more public access roads and hotels/businesses within national park boundaries, further destroying the protected area.

Republicans do not care about preservation or the environment. They never have. This may seem trivial but the implications will be far reaching. If a number of Republicans are trying to change rules relating to land protections, you better look at who they are and who they are receiving contributions from, like Mike Lee who has been fighting for this for a few years.

This is absurd.
  • 34 21
 @scott-townes: I’m gonna ignore the political stupidity for a second.

PLEASE tell me how allowing Ebikes into federal land has literally ANYTHING to do with environmental protection?
  • 5 0
 here here! Horses destroy trails when there are wet. Knock all sorts of big rock loose into the middle of the trail. And they users treat bikers like ISIS. Good luck keeping them out though.
  • 22 10
 @HurricaneCycles: Scott just did tell you.
  • 13 7
 @vandall: all he did was speculate political ideas that have no basis in reality. I don’t see a single thing that actually addresses environmental impact.
  • 4 0
 @slayerdegnar: Figuratively and literally, they are always on their high horse. In my local "multi-use" trail system, there are signs in place that show how yielding works. Both bikers and walkers must yield to horseback riders, and bikers have to yield to walkers, meaning we are at the bottom of the food chain.
  • 2 4
 @THE-GUNT: The same way riding and Enveed out Santa Cruz on trails with 75' of elevation change makes you a dweeb.
  • 34 38
flag scott-townes (Aug 30, 2019 at 17:28) (Below Threshold)
 @HurricaneCycles: Are you kidding? I just told you. Motorized access is a massive barrier to exploiting protected lands under national park designation. This push has been going on for the past few years by republicans under the guise of helping more people enjoy the outdoors. If allowed, it gives them legal precedence to push for other motorized access. This is no different than their push to allow commercial logging in protected lands to "manage" the forests and surprisingly enough, both of these ideas are supported by the same republicans who happen to receive contributions from mining, logging, and other related industries. As a shop that pushes e-bikes, I can see how you couldn't give a damn. Whoever is handling that account, you are a pathetic example of how short sighted people can be in this country. You should be f*cking ashamed.
  • 36 8
 @scott-townes: I actually know the people who actively manage and maintain the only federally owned ATV trail in Cherokee National Forest. Believe me when I say Ebikes have NOTHING to do with that and are not anywhere close to that in any way. You can try any angle but from a land management perspective Ebikes are not even on the same planet at the “motorized vehicles” you are comparing to.

Land managers worry about safety and sustainability. Ebikes don’t even register on either radar. I’m sorry but your political conspiracy theory is crap.

There’s actually real conversations being held about closing horse trails and opening them for Ebike use because of these two concern areas.
  • 10 2
 eBikes are one thing but any eBike with a throttle belongs on the road as a commuter bike. If not then over the cliff it goes along with the muppet rider who comes into the shop insisting an eBike must have a throttle.
  • 3 0
 @MrAngry:
that statement is so not angry Smile
  • 6 11
flag railin (Aug 30, 2019 at 18:05) (Below Threshold)
 @HurricaneCycles: Republicans not caring about preservation of the environment? You don't see any connection to reality there? O yeah, you're Utahn, I forgot...
  • 15 27
flag scott-townes (Aug 30, 2019 at 18:08) (Below Threshold)
 @HurricaneCycles: Let me translate this... "I know someone who helps mantain a single ATV trail in a single National Forest, therefor I know exactly what's going on with federal policy towards motorized access to all National Forests... Did I mention we sell e-bikes? PM for more details!"

I'll say it again, you are short-sighted only for your own personal gains. Pathetic.
  • 3 2
 I've encountered more disrespectful mountain bikers than I have horse riders.
  • 19 7
 @scott-townes: look everyone!! Scott is an environmentalist. Soo righteous he cant be disputed. Laughable doid, check yourself
  • 1 0
 @matt-15: They don't?...
  • 38 5
 @scott-townes: The conspiracy theory you push about e-bikes is verbatim what angry hikers said about you and your mountain bike. You're just the new angry hiker. You're like a colonial who says immigration stops after you get in.
  • 15 4
 @ranke: ^^this 100%. In the 80's i was the bad guy out in the woods terrorizing the forest, or so they thought. Then i was the bad guy downhiller/shuttler in the 90's when the sport took off and the newbs couldnt ride dh and thought no one else should despite me building the trails they were xc ing on and pedaling atleast as much as most. Dollars to doughnuts they all have enduro bikes and ride dh and lifts now. Couple years and most will have an eeb in their quiver
  • 3 6
 @jorgeposada: E dweebs and Equi dorks.
  • 17 0
 @scott-townes: No. I’m actually involved in my community and go to the meetings involving these things. It’s not hearsay, I see the slides straight from the director. I’m also a certified master trail builder that contracts with the city to get these things built as well.

@railin: never been to Utah. I hear it’s a nice place tho.
  • 1 0
 @crsimmons: have you met anyone in horses then?? Different planet..
  • 1 0
 @MrAngry: You're right. Tomorrow I will go out and hug an equestrian.
  • 5 7
 @ranke: The "conspiracy" theory isn't about Ebikes. It's about degrading environmental protections to eventual development. Read his first post a little slower.
  • 5 1
 @HurricaneCycles: any topic involving federal land access is inherently political.
  • 9 3
 @mrbabcock: it doesn’t have to be. We can discuss the pros and cons of a decision as it’s pertains to the immediate effects without bringing in all the other junk tied to a particular political agenda and how a decision came to be.

It’s really simple. Good decision or bad decision? Explain your answer. That’s not political unless you make it so.
  • 5 10
flag matttauszik (Aug 30, 2019 at 20:57) (Below Threshold)
 @HurricaneCycles: "Good and bad" are inherently subjective. Questions of resource use are objectively, literally, by definition, political. This is a text book definition of politics.

The idea that there are competing interests for resources, i.e., land use, is so obvious, you're either disingenuous or tragically ignorant.

Enjoy your down arrow serotonin rush.
  • 2 3
 @HurricaneCycles: It's not about Ebikes, just like a gondolato connect Park City with Little and Big Cottonwood Canyons isn't about ski area expansion. It's about weakening water shed protections for real estate development.
Or the idea that pp would want develop natl forest land for profit is a crazy political conspiracy theory.
  • 5 15
flag scott-townes (Aug 30, 2019 at 21:40) (Below Threshold)
 @ranke: Ebikes are fun as hell. You're just a jackass that doesn't realize the implications of allowing motorized use on national forest land. But hey, sweet assumption, brah. Apparently you need to brush up on your reading comprehension.
  • 2 0
 @matt-15: Speak for yourself!
  • 6 1
 @scott-townes: good one. but again... same thing angry hikers said about us and our acoustic rigs.
  • 5 2
 @matt-15: You are dead right about the yield system on multi-user trails....bikers are at the bottom of the totem pole, and they should not be, because it's all based upon an antiquated system that has been in existence for three decades now. The idea that bikers should yield to hikers dates back to an extended courtesy of when us as a new trail user group entered the woods, when we were riding rigid bikes with cantilevers at speeds half of what we do today. The idea that someone riding a modern MTB down a hill and around a blind hairpin corner can stop in a split second to yield to a hiker(s) is a bit ridiculous; likewise up a technical climb and kill their momentum. In reality the hiker is going to hear the biker long before either party sees one another, and the hiker taking exactly one lateral step to the side is all that's needed to make the exchange happen as quick and efficient as possible. Instead we've carried on the tradition of bikers yielding to hikers just because it's never been challenged, and because the people making the rules happen to be in this user group. Having said that, both parties should always yield to horses...spooking a horse is pretty dangerous. As for horse shit, I find it amazing the powers that be can hold a straight face when they claim horse shit smack dab in the middle of trails acceptable, but refute the equivalency that all dogs need picked up after for serious "environmental reasons".
  • 1 1
 So bikes can't go where hikers and equestrians go, but ebikes can go where bikes go?
  • 1 2
 That's spectacular that you'd down vote the definition of politics. I get not agreeing on land use issues, but if you have a problem with understanding they exist and their nature, gl w discussing their pros and cons. Maybe it would be helpful to consider a place like Bears Ears w out even bringing Ebikes into the equation.
  • 1 0
 @scott-townes: Right. Roller coasters are fun. Not many Snowbird locals are stoked on theirs. It's totally short sighted not to be able to draw a straght line between protections being waived for a mountain coaster and the big ass hotel that gets built on top of that mountain. And guess what? A fence blocking a trail to any kind of public traffic isn't far behind that.
  • 4 0
 @scott-townes: and I would add that anybody who touts “small government” but isn’t also arguing (with the same zeal) for shrinking corporate access to our political system is either conning you or brainwashed themselves. Smaller government with bigger corporations is a perfect recipe for concentrating power in the hands of a few. I’ll take a flawed, tattered, and corrupt democracy over authoritarian power every day of the week.
  • 4 5
 @HurricaneCycles: No Scott was not “speculating political ideas that have no basis in reality.” He was distilling a mountain of facts into an accurate summary of the politics of land use on public lands. You have not done your research on this topic.
  • 2 0
 @HurricaneCycles: It's not about ebikes. It's about eroding policy that protects national parks.
It's about setting precedence. Both sides of the aisle use these tactics all the time.
  • 2 6
flag mountaincross (Aug 31, 2019 at 5:18) (Below Threshold)
 @HurricaneCycles: Republicans want to privatize everything and pursue profits unfettered by concerns over impacts on environment, public health, workers rights-pay-and benefits, or the integrity of democracy. If they can leverage electric motor assist bicycles to exploit national parks and other public lands they will,

I don’t know if they will be successful...I only know they will never stop trying. Oh and by the way Democrat’s aren’t off the hook from this critique...one could argue that George Bush senior was a better steward of the environment than Bill Clinton, for example.
  • 4 0
 @mountaincross: I get your point about eroding policy and Republicans. I’m not one so It doesn’t bother me. What I don’t get is how Ebikes have anything to do with it.

I have first hand experience with the concerns and expectations of the land managers at least in Cherokee and I promise you that Ebikes are nowhere near their area of concern.
  • 10 1
 @scott-townes: so let me get this right. you think that letting e bikes into the woods is going to lead to logging and mining companies controlling and managing the forests? wow, how tight is your tinfoil hat? how many channels does it get?
  • 4 0
 @scott-townes: I am confused... By your statements you seem to be pro environment, yet your profile contains a video of you skidding down a mount that will now flow silt into the river below when the heavy rains come! I have been called deplorable, but do everything I can to protect the environment, which includes building sustainable trails.
  • 7 0
 @THE-GUNT: You’re so right. My dad has been battling stage 4 cancer and we got him a Norco e-sight and he’s been able to get into the forest 3 days a week to move his body and be in nature. He’s actually making a recovery from Cancer and his doctors are blown away by how healthy he is. I’m thankful for ebikes right now and we all need to realize that the person we see on that bike might not be out there at all if no for that technology.
  • 5 0
 @scott-townes: the article also mentions British Columbia is also allowing ebikes in B.C. Parks. Last time I checked there is no Republican Party in BC. I doubt this is some sort of political ploy. BC has always been proactive with this sport. Perhaps this is an acknowledgement that mtb is here to stay and the US is finally onboard with our amazing sport.
  • 4 2
 @streetkvnt-kvlt: As an owner of an eMTB, I agree with this. Unfortunately a lot of the ignorance and hatred aimed at eMTB/eBike riders are from people who assume that all eBikes/eMTBs have a throttle and thus are "mopeds" etc.
  • 9 1
 @scott-townes: Next time you wipe, thank a logger and learn the industry. Without properly managed timberlands, we will have old growth trees and no next generations to come. Now go save a spotted owl. Class 1 ebikes are zero threat. No one likes change, but we’re not hammering on a typewriter now are we? You don’t have to ride them.
  • 1 0
 @jpcars10s: your kindness is gonna take you far in life .
  • 1 2
 @scott-townes: @HurricaneCycles is just Sealioning you. No point in continuing to feed the troll www.quora.com/What-is-sealioning
  • 2 0
 I really wish people would stop referring to normal bikes as "acoustic" bikes.

I can understand how the term appeals to the hipsters, but a bicycle is not a musical instrument.
  • 2 1
 Those people are dweebs @Laymo:
  • 2 1
 Don’t be such a twat, maybe you’d find people to ride with. @scott-townes:
  • 1 3
 @GUTCH: Another one with zero reading comprehension. Wow.
  • 1 1
 Are real MTB crew permitted to share the trails with these e-motivated riders on state park land? I have a straight WC caliber DH track just sitting 10 minutes away on MT Baker on state park land. ??? Might give it a blast and see who cares or can catch me.
  • 1 0
 @crsimmons: and I have no option but to upvote your opinion!
  • 1 1
 @matt-15: You do realize this is a safety issue right? It has nothing to do with hierarchy. Boating has a "similar" set of "passing" rules... Some things are in place just because it's the best/safest way to do it and not some conspiracy theory over who is "better"...
  • 2 0
 @crsimmons: we live in different parts of the country but around where I live in Orange County CA I’d say the opposite: I’ve never met a friendly horseback rider while I’ve been out on my bike. When hiking, they are better but they hate mtn bikers with a passion no matter how much we try to “kill them with kindness”.

And they are so rich and politically connected they still get the priority despite being outnumbered by other trail users 100:1.

They damage the trails, don’t do a lick of trail maintenance, leave huge piles of crap everywhere they go, and aggressively yell at mtn bikers to yield to them even when given a 50 yard berth.
  • 2 0
 @ThePhilthyHippie: Like another comment said, I am fine with horses being on top, they can get spooked. But Bikes travel fast and it's much easier for people to step to the side, than for us to brake, especially uphill when we lose our momentum, and with mountain bike hubs being so loud nowadays, it is hard to not hear us coming
  • 1 0
 @tsn73: that has been more my experience in NYS and out here now in CO - rude, smug and don’t do a lick of trail work for all the damage they cause
  • 63 8
 I am not outraged by this. The trails where bicycles are allowed in every National Park I’ve ever seen have plenty of sightlines and safety built in that there shouldn’t be any dangerous situations because of the increased speed. Also, sooooo many American tourists just park at the parking lots and walk to the adjacent viewpoint. This may change the way the public enjoys the national parks. Maybe in 15 years people will be zooming around sight to sight on e-bikes and enjoy places like Yellowstone with their vehicles parked at the entrance gate or campground.

There is a place where e-bikes are truly the best possible vehicle available to transport a human. For example a typical North American commuting to work for the day. E-bikes are even better than public transit for this. Maybe this will breathe a new life into USA’s NPS and is the first step to eliminating idling engines in the National Parks.
  • 2 1
 Totally its not like they rode their ebike there, now that would be rad.
  • 7 0
 This is for all of the Department of the Interior, not just NPS. Singletrack in other places managed by the Department of the Interior that don’t have plenty of sightlines and safety built in are also affected.
  • 11 4
 @PatMcCrotch: yes I am not 100% versed in the American land management heirarchy so my positive comment was aimed at NPS, and specifically thinking about Yellowstone and Bryce Canyon, which we visited this summer on our family vacation. I am personally against e-mtbs on pretty much any offroad trails.
  • 18 1
 @north-shore-bike-shop I can see allowing class 1 and 2 on trails, but having class 3 e bikes riding at 28 mph on popular public trails seems like it might cause some issues.
  • 3 1
 If you are replacing public transit and other transportation methods why require the person to pedal to use their motorcycle? Just get a real motorcycle that is electric. Oh yeah, those already exist and people aren't using them to get places because cars and trucks are more convenient and comfortable. The only way people would switch is if there was a ban on the preferred method of travel, and that will be a wonderful but fictional day when cars and trucks are banned from national parks.

I completely agree with you about commuting to work though, an ebike would be rad if it meant I didn't have to use roads and could use regional paved trails instead. I don't trust sharing the road unless I have a cage of metal protecting me.
  • 6 1
 @highfivenwhiteguy: because the battery is caustic is jankum and the grid is all coal powered
  • 1 0
 BLM is under Dept of Interior!
  • 3 0
 @Laymo: the 3 class system was designed for usage purpose, not speed limits. Class 1 is intended for mtb and off road applications. Class 3 is strictly for road use. The speed limits were only a byproduct of analyzing their intended use environment.


All that is to say you should never have to worry about 30mph mtbs on your trails.
  • 10 1
 Well said. I just got a Decoy and I can’t get enough of it. Whenever I hear any negative comments I simply ask them to take a spin and the reaction is always universal: “wheeeeeeeee!!!!!”
  • 7 0
 IMO the whole sight lines thing is a moot point. They aren't going that much faster up hill that they are going to cause an accident, and they certainly aren't going any faster down hill. So what's the issue?
  • 5 2
 @Batipapo: same. I just got a decoy. Rides like a mtb. So fun. In boost tge max i was going up a steepish part of a logging road was 16kmh/10mph. No one is flying up trails on these or causing any more damage. At my age its nice to be able to ride every day like i used to and keep a nice spin when the road turns uo rather than grunt to just turn over the pedals
  • 1 7
flag chize (Aug 30, 2019 at 18:55) (Below Threshold)
 @friendlyfoe: they are definitely going faster uphill, with 750 watts of electric boost on top of the 250 watts an average rider can crank out you can crank uphill at pretty close to 20mph.
  • 1 1
 Decent points.
  • 6 1
 @chize: theres this thing called traction. With a class 1 atleast youre not flying uphill at their max. If uts relatively flat you can get to max. Uphill on singletrack you are going faster but not much
  • 3 5
 What if NPs were just bastions of wilderness with limited entrance points and trails and maybe no vehicles? Maybe some places don't need bikes. And if you're in a wheel chair, or you're fat, or you're lazy, or you're old, sorry, maybe wilderness isn't for you? Instead of pp "zooming around sight to sight" in fkg Ebikes there was some real wilderness? And pp can go "zooming around" the mall or experience Zion from the vr comfort of their hotel on Imax?

TFOH with this thread, it just proves how toasted we are as humans.
  • 2 3
 @matttauszik: Bikes aren't allowed in wilderness. Every national park i've been to has thousands of folks driving cars, only to get out for a minute at a time to take pictures and drive on. People riding ebikes to enjoy the same experience as we all do is the reason why the planet is failing and people are so shitty?
  • 1 1
 @slayerdegnar: Nix the cars. Read my post.
  • 1 0
 @matttauszik: You're seriously anti older people who want to still get out and enjoy the wilderness?
  • 1 1
 @friendlyfoe: If you've been to an American NP like Arches or or Zion, and you think it's"wilderness", we just have different notion of what wilderness is. American NPs are closer to a Disney experience bc they're so developed and trafficked.
  • 1 0
 @Laymo: no,class 1 only. no throttles
  • 63 6
 Did Trump just buy a Levo?
  • 26 2
 Or he bought an e-bike company
  • 34 97
flag thesharkman (Aug 30, 2019 at 14:01) (Below Threshold)
 If thay were true then I'd buy one too to show my support for Trump 2020.
  • 41 3
 Makes sense he’d ride a Specialized, I’m sure he’d appreciate their love of suing everyone.
  • 15 42
flag RedBurn (Aug 30, 2019 at 14:44) (Below Threshold)
 @thesharkman: PB is so sucking democrat Dead Horse
  • 3 10
flag Angu58 (Aug 30, 2019 at 16:31) (Below Threshold)
 @Drew-O:
Politics aside, when have specialized sued anyone? I’m actually curious.
  • 5 25
flag Moremilesplease (Aug 30, 2019 at 16:42) (Below Threshold)
 @thesharkman: TRUMP!!!
  • 14 0
 @Angu58: Several infamous cases, notably threatening to sue a local bike shop in Calgary called “Cafe Roubaix” because it used the name Roubaix (after the town in France), same deal with Epic Wheel Works in Portland (can’t say Epic), same deal with a local Portland brand’s bike called the Stumptown (nickname for Portland, founded as a logging town) as it was too close to Stumpjumper.
  • 3 0
 @Drew-O: That last one kills me. I can understand Stumphopper or even Stumpskipper, but in what zany world does "town" = "jumper"?
  • 7 1
 MTB is not political. Just ride and talk about bikes.
  • 40 1
 More bikes less cars.
  • 22 1
 Agreed - wish they would get rid of cars in NPs like in Zion.
  • 5 0
 @MikeyMT: They only allow cars in a small section of Zions. The rest you have to take bus to access. Everywhere is foot traffic only. Have you been to Yellowstone. That’s a MESS!
  • 1 0
 @savage47: Yea exactly. More parks need to do what Zion does IMO.

I live an hour from Yellowstone - we only go in the winter these days.
  • 2 0
 *fewer
  • 1 0
 @MikeyMT: Misread my bad.
  • 3 0
 @savage47: LOL Zion as an example of foot traffic only in a NP....You'd see less pp at a shopping mall than a weekend there....
  • 1 0
 @matttauszik: Agree with you... Zion was insane when we visited. IMO, cars are banned there simply because it's just impractical to have that volume of cars driving all over.
  • 39 4
 It's ok people they can still only overtake us on the ups - and we don't care about that bit of the ride

Just make sure you school them on the way down

#gravitydoesntneedamotor
  • 18 2
 bleh. I'm all for ebikes, but they should not be treated the same as pedal powered bikes, especially beyond "class 1". This will negatively impact trail access, as land managers can still decide bike/no bikes, but the bike option will be forced to include ebikes. At least this doesn't impact FS land yet.
  • 1 3
 As crazy as it seems e bikes imo should he treated as normal pedal bikes. At least the ones that are capped at a certain speed and dont have a throttle. I've ridden a few and pretty much every single one is just a heavy as fuck trail bike. Anyone who has any skill riding a mtb will hate riding an e bike because although it's easier on uphills once you hit the speed limit you are now just riding a 50 pound trail bike. For the people that NEED the pedal assist e bikes are great, anyone else just isnt gonna ride one for fun.
  • 4 3
 @butters1996: not true. My decoy is fun af. Jump trails or steep loose. Mostly steep and loose dh tracks here and proper tires with 220 rotors and its full on play time
  • 3 0
 @butters1996: but land managers don't care how Ebikes handle, they'll just care that now they're being forced to allow motorized bikes as well if they want to allow real bikes.
  • 1 1
 Really!? I can't wait to blast up the colloquial BLM downhill trails with my 1500 watt fatbike and make people yield to me. The technical part of clearing the features will be how much throttle to give it BRaaap or I mean Zzsszz.
  • 1 0
 Obviously it's a joke, but I wanted to provide a specific example of negative impacts
  • 15 0
 What US national parks have good MTB trails? I don't think I've ever ridden in a natl park...
  • 20 0
 I think people in DC think paved bike paths are called trails.
  • 4 1
 None that I know of.... but the article does say "and other federally managed lands" so maybe it includes Natl Forest lands?
  • 4 0
 Every national park I've ever been in restricts bicycle travel to roads that cars are allowed on, which means eBikes (and motorcycles) were already permitted on these roads. What trails can eBikes go on now that they couldn't before?

Supposedly Joshua Tree NP has some purpose built singletrack trails for MTBs, but nobody's allowed to ride on them because congress hasn't approved MTBs on singletrack in national parks. I wonder if this new ruling will make it easier or harder to get congress to allow MTBs on singletrack.
  • 7 0
 There are a few mtb miles allowed in AZ national parks, but this also applies to BLM which hosts many miles of trails in four corners states. For example I think Poison Spider (gold bar, portal) and Amasa Back (Captain Ahab, rock stacker, jacksons) in Moab are BLM.
  • 3 0
 Mammoth Cave NP has MTB trails (above ground, not in the cave). That's the only one I know of.
  • 3 0
 @bkm303: This does not apply to USFS-managed lands. They are under the jurisdiction of the USDA, not Interior.
  • 6 0
 @dthomp325: Author of the article should have said "Nat'l Parks and BLM" as that would've gotten more (at least my) attention faster.
  • 1 0
 Unless I’m mistaken, Golden Gate National Recreation Area and Point Reyes National Seashore fall under NPS. There are a few good trails there, but most of the good ones are not bike legal.
  • 2 2
 Shhhh youre spoiling peoples outrage
  • 3 0
 The headline really buried the important part which is BLM managed land, (BLM is part of DOI) which makes up a lot of the Western US and has tons of bike trails
  • 1 0
 @chize: great point. That's the real news here!
  • 1 0
 RMNP has a very short section of bike approved trail/path. Was just approved in the last couple of years.
  • 1 0
 @hardtailparty: For National Park lands, there was a ban on eBikes on the roads managed by the park. That means that eBikes could not ride even on dirt roads where licensed vehicles could drive. An example would be White Rim Road in Canyonlands. National Monuments are managed by the interior department too, so places like Grand Staircase Escalante are now open to eBikes on the extensive dirt road network there.
  • 1 0
 @skyfree: very interesting, thanks for the info. I assumed ebikes could go wherever motors could go, like white rim. Good info, thanks.
  • 26 16
 I'm still pissed that they let mtb riders with hydraulic brakes and suspension forks on these trails, sounds more like a motorbike to me. Pfffft.
  • 3 4
 Yeah... and what is this thing about 50+ teeth gears and super light carbon frames?
  • 9 5
 I've been around long enough to actually hear such complaints, and they weren't being sarcastic. I'm sure many of those people now ride full suspension, hydrolic disc brake equipped bikes they once thought should have been restricted to closed courses. People need to stop panicking every time some new comes out and instead see what it's about. I don't have or want an emtb at this time, but I don't see the problem.
  • 2 0
 @Duderz7: this! I remember when purist were up in arms about full suspension bikes - now you hardly ever even see a hardtail on the trails
  • 1 0
 @artistformlyknowasdan: and when you do see a hardtail, its rarely ridden by a purist.
  • 6 0
 I have a dream... Hundreds of miles long routes open to bikes across the country, Solar powered charging stations, mandatory classes of trail etiquette for all sort of bikers...
  • 2 0
 "Mandatory classes" probably work as well as the mandatory drivers license tests...
  • 5 1
 Not a bad idea in theory but I wish the classes were a bit more defined. For instance, I have no issue with a Norco VLT bike (class 1 or 3?) being on the trails, but I'm wondering when one of those "e-bikes" that looks like a vespa (class 2) is going to start rattling down the single track and clog up the trails.
  • 8 1
 US political conspiracy theories please reply to this post.
  • 12 0
 auto lobby hard at work to open up access because they're all working on eBikes?

that's all I got on such short notice
  • 3 0
 Just gotta check the Q Anon boards first....back soon...
  • 7 0
 Required charging infrastructure for E-bikes will mandate additional addresses that slowly shoehorn in clauses loosening permitting and impact assessment to park systems while allowing for contracting that serves lobbyist's companies. Soon electric scooters will litter paths around national parks. Park goers will see discarded scooters littering the sides of national park road ways the same way one sees them in major metropolitan areas. E-bike and bison collisions in Yellowstone park increase 100 -fold. Additional fire control is required to fight the incidents of cheap chinese hoverboards inciting fires within park boundaries. Amazon will soon solicit and privatize fire fighting efforts within national parks with their prime-drones.
  • 9 1
 Buzz Aldrin and Rosie O’Donnell are secretly puppeteering Trump with pseudo-science and warm glasses of milk, in an effort to get more people to ride bikes. This excess in rotating bicycle wheels (and the fact that every new ebike comes with a brick of cheese and 8lbs of polish sausage) begins to create massive gyrating forces along with massive brown cumulus fart clouds which begins to excel the spinning rotation of the earth into a faster rates than ever historically seen. From here, the earth begins to feel massive heat waves, wilted flowers and excessively loud suburban mothers who have “just about had it with these shenanigans”. When suburban mom’s aren’t happy, they stop doing laundry. Laundry will pile up into unspeakably large piles of assless chaps, lip-stick stained RVCA T-shirts and skidmarked power ranger-themed chamois’. At this point, your local Homeowner’s Association will have to drop by and scoff at the disgusting mess you’ve created. In turn they will have to start building tiny houses made of Lincoln logs and leftover Thanksgiving mash potatoes to make proper screening to block the unsightly views of your dirty laundry, which will lead to them subsequently raising your monthly HOA fees. Plain and simple folks, the HOA is raising fees and there’s nothing you can do about.
  • 1 0
 @rocky-mtn-gman: ybikes.yes just so much yes.
  • 1 0
 @rocky-mtn-gman: I like where you’re going with this, but why polish sausage?
  • 1 0
 @rocky-mtn-gman: Where’s the “Upvote 1,000 Times While Spitting Beer Out my Nose Laughing Button”?
  • 12 9
 I'm all for allowing Class 1 e-bikes on most of the trails where mountain bikes are allowed. That said, this order doesn't distinguish between e-bike classes, and it appears to tie e-bikes directly to mountain bikes (i.e. e-bikes are allowed everywhere that bikes are, so if you want to ban them from a trail, bikes are banned as well).



While change is needed, this seems like a ham-fisted, hastily considered policy change by people that aren't sufficiently familiar with the nuances of the situation.
  • 13 6
 First. What has been tied can be untied.

Second. From a safety and erosion standpoint. Ebikes are no different from acoustic and that’s all managers care about. They are not concerned with whether or not it offends you that someone passed you on the uphill.
  • 1 11
flag lateandsweaty (Aug 30, 2019 at 14:17) (Below Threshold)
 @HurricaneCycles: so basically it doesnt matter that force doesnt equate to smarts because if one spends enough they're more in then someone who's done it for years with no payouts? So with the full kit and caboodle someone looks like they know what theyre doing because theyre uniform and fashionable and the person with a customised bike that can handle a broad range of capabilities and a kooky outfit also for practicality and longevity is out because obviously theyre cheap and dont have enought to do it? Yes lets untie the fabrication and apply some trigonometric analysis of who and how people ride. Enough small pointed interest political organizations and secret societies forcing they're adoptions on everyone else.
  • 11 0
 @lateandsweaty: Any chance of translating that big long rant into English?
  • 6 3
 @lateandsweaty: what are you even on about? Take and English class and get back to me.
  • 1 8
flag lateandsweaty (Aug 30, 2019 at 14:45) (Below Threshold)
 @HurricaneCycles: read a book,other than the good news. People don't wait for you to learn. If money buys you in and spending gets you more in then the rider on a 10 year old bike that rides everything then possibly theres a problem likes the ides of march? My bikes a shitless horse that refuses to break a leg but will plow a field all day long. Take a census of people who ride most and depend most on the bocylce, you may be surprised to most commuter cyclists average more weekly pedaled miles or kilometres and are not your dentists buying new bikes every few years. Anything from a shop for them is a mule to be fed and taken care over and greatfully shits infrequently.
  • 6 0
 @lateandsweaty: u might need to get back on ur meds. for reals.
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 @savagelake: only cure is death apparently, dont worry i smoke, hold my beer pleb.
  • 2 1
 @HurricaneCycles: agreed on all fronts. Like I said, I'm not against ebikes at all (I've spent more time on ebikes than analog bikes this week). But they're pretty clearly a different thing than analog mountain bikes, and at least for the time being, this order erases that distinction. I don't think that's a good thing for all kinds of reasons that have nothing to do with my sense of self worth while climbing.
  • 1 0
 @toast2266: that’s fair. But don’t lose sight of the fact they are distinctly different and even tho they are classified as the same for this purpose. They can be separated again if the need arises.
  • 8 1
 This comment section should be fun.
  • 6 3
 And as the rich get richer, the poor die trying, the fat get fatter because it wasnt enough to park and shoot film, it had to be digitally documented and now we can all ohm across what is rare to see because taking it all in took too long in the first place. Good bye river, good bye park, goodbye trail flatter and goodnight moon.
  • 11 8
 A note to all the haters.....I've been riding MTB for 40 years. I have seen and ridden it all. Please ride an Ebike before you post a negative comment. I now ride 10x more and have 100x the fun. I am in the best shape of my life and having a blast. Try one...you wont regret it. Keeps your heart rate in the fat burning zone similar to my gravel bike but 100x more fun. DO IT!
  • 3 0
 Started mountain biking a year after it was introduced....that's pretty rad....
  • 3 2
 Every ebiker says the same thing. "Try it, you'll be hooked." I tried it. A Levo at a ski resort. It wasn't that great. It felt like a moped. I'll take my Following over an ebike any day.
  • 6 3
 @fazza24: a levo at a ski resort is pointless. for regular riders like most of us- as opposed to a person who rides one out of necessity- the benefit of an ebike is seen in the copious amounts of downhill you can get by using it as a shuttle/chairlift. A day at the park negates that. Park makes you a better rider because of the sheer amount of dh you get comparatively. If you use an ebike at your local spots, you reap the same benefits because it is your chairlift and you get double to triple the dh in the same timeframe as you would on your Following. Sick bike though, and it'll keep you in great cardiovascular shape, but an ebike will also keep you in shape if you choose to use it that way, and it will make you a better rider because you ride more downhills. More practice; better rider.
  • 2 3
 @ranke: For me it's not all about the downhill. I don't need, nor do I want, three times the dh in the same amount of time. I enjoy the challenge of climbing under my own power. It's hard, but it's supposed to be hard. Ride your ebike, fella and enjoy. But don't delude yourself. It's not cycling. It's a different sport.
  • 4 1
 You said it! They are fun! I’m not training for anything just riding for fun and the side effect is fitness. The ebike makes short steep climbs ‘fun’. Fun means you keep coming back for more which equals more fitness.
  • 1 1
 @fazza24: so I guess world cup downhill ain't cycling eh? To easy! Lol
  • 2 0
 @slayerdegnar: If it has a motor, it's not cycling. Nothing ambiguous there. But clearly we disagree and that's ok. How about a cease fire? I think if we rode together, we'd probably get along. I'd still give you shit for riding an ebike, and you could flip me off as you screamed by me on the climbs. A win-win in my book! Smile
  • 7 4
 Every time you see an e-bike just remember that the sales of those things are keeping your local bike shop alive. They've been a huge boon to the bike industry, and are getting more people out on the trails. Any other issues that come up as a result can be addressed as we come across them!
  • 2 6
flag casman86 (Aug 30, 2019 at 21:05) (Below Threshold)
 Mountain biking is bigger than ever. If a bike shop needs to ruin the sport to get by then the sooner they go out of business the better.
  • 6 2
 yeah...but not in USDA Forest Service land..which is practicaly ALL the Fed land ridden on the East coast. no help for us...
  • 2 0
 Yeah, Valley Forge is our my back door and as far as I know, if I took the Yeti through there, the rangers would lock me up.
  • 1 0
 @ReformedRoadie: actually not, but whatevs.
  • 1 0
 @Phillyenduro: maybe Betzwoods, but the park proper, Mt Joy and Mt Misery?
I hike there with the dog and have never seen a mountain bike, or even a tread mark.
  • 2 0
 Sounds a bit similar to what happens in here in The Netherlands and for that matter, most of Europe. Except here there is a major difference between class 1 and other types of bikes. The type that has the motor shut off at 25 kph (16mph) or when you stop pedaling is equivalent to a bike with no motor for all rules. The types with a throttle or higher limits are more or less equivalent to mopeds, with different access rules, different helmet laws etc.
  • 2 0
 I am a 50 years old owner of a YT decoy living in Boulder and I am very-very happy to hear this. I don't understand why people -in Boulder at least- oppose to eMTBs: Some of those amazing riders defend the righteous ways by yelling at me -most of the times when they are far away enough - whenever I ride it. Does it really bother or inconvenience them? It does the first, but does not the second.
  • 5 4
 Fu&k it.... Just pave over the trails with a 4 lane highway. That would make it "easier and more efficient for people who want to see National Parks but might not otherwise do so because of physical fitness, age, disability or convenience."
  • 1 0
 Now you get it. Outside of mountain biking, many "equal access" initiatives in my State Parks (FL) have destroyed many great places. For instance, at one park a scenic 10-mile backcountry hiking trail through some tough wilderness was replaced with an ADA compliant one mile partial boardwalk/sidewalk trail. Instead of keeping the other nine miles of trail open, they completely closed access to it. They claim it improved accessibility while also increasing environmental protection. At another state park, they turned a primitive area at a natural spring into an urbanized swimming area while simultaneously cutting access to a second nearby spring. And at another state park on the beach, they got rid of a remote corridor where people could hike to be alone at the beach, and paved a road and parking lot straight into the middle of it with commercial vendors. Everytime I hear the word "equal access" or "accessibility", it results in some kind of McDonald's/Walmart outdoor experience.
  • 2 0
 @Jamminator: Exactly. Once it's gone, it's gone. You look at Arches or Bryce in UT, and if you're a lover of actual wilderness, it's soul crushing.
  • 4 0
 How do we get horses off trails? Or how do we get them clean up their poop!?!
  • 2 0
 Now if they'd just build a parking lot at each park's entrance and force visitors to either walk the wilderness or bike/ebike the roads and trails. What a better natural experience for all.
  • 1 0
 Well, it'd certainly reduce attendance by a significant amount if 300lbs Joe Bob and Auntie May in her electric wheelchair have to walk more than 50 yards from where they park their RV to the actual point of interest.
  • 1 0
 After reading the title, the news to me was that mountain bike trails existed in National Parks. In reality, there is very, very little singletrack open to bicycles in any National Parks. A handful of places with national recreation area designations have legit trail networks, but virtually no actual National Parks have MTB singletrack.
The article does note that this policy applies to other DOI lands, but highlighting National Parks int he title is a poor choice of emphasis imho. And while the article does mention that "forest service" lands aren't included (does this mean all National Forests??) it would have been helpful to tell us exactly what this does apply to . . . BLM, for example?
The article statement that "DOI manages 75% of public lands in the US" is also wrong. DOI manages 420M acres while the NFS manages 193M acres . . . and we haven't even counted state-owned public lands (~200M acres). So DOI manages more like 50% of all public lands, not 75%.
  • 2 1
 I'd swap this newfound access by E-bike for pedal power only access in (some) of the wilderness mountains. Support the STC and encourage Democrats to join the effort to make this a non partisan, healthy and fair access to some of the trails in the mountains! www.sustainabletrailscoalition.org
  • 8 3
 Hells yeah!
  • 8 4
 Ebikes: the rollerblades of the 2020’s
  • 7 2
 More like the 29rs of the 2010's
  • 1 0
 You got it all wrong. Ebikers are the boogie boarders of the 2020s.
  • 1 1
 Ebikes: the participation trophy of mountain biking
  • 4 4
 I knew this would blow up! We have a buddy who is recovering from back injury so an ebike helps him ride. We believe ebikes are fun and could mean more riding and less car shuttling. The throttle only bit I think might tip the game but maybe if people are injured and can only ride with a throttle they get a pass. OR we all just along and Just slow down when we see another person on a bike, horse, dirt bike, hiker and alll enjoy. The meaning of life is to be nice and your KOM can wait!! Keep loaners secret! Jah bless!
  • 1 1
 Its almost as bad as some deluded chavvy lowlife, making up complete lies about someone. Grey hair.. me? Not a single one. My mother did some modelling when she was younger, and my aunt was a proper model, based in London. Did stuff for Boss, catwalks etc, and is in one of Malcom Mclarens music videos. He also, of course, before he died knew Vivienne Westwood. So, when you consider looks, and genetics, I'm not going to have done so bad, especially with what I've been through too. Anyone that knows me, or sees me in real life will tell you that. What a vile piece of shit. You dont know me, so dont say 'like someone i know' the next time you write some more trash about me, you Sun reading, garbage dwelling saddo. Just because you're life is boring, and you have to try so hard for attention and praise on Faceache, don't take your issues out on anyone else. Are you borderline retarded, or do you have mental health issues? Seek help.
  • 10 11
 Now they'll ride their coal powered recharged battery spun bike and laugh and ask why we work so hard to ride the trail. We should live like them work less, not improve and just let technology do it all for us. Because we've never, ever done the wrong thing so how could our technology, oh wait wait chlorine will make farming easier and bigger crop yields until it builds up through all the food supply until only the zombie is ever fed. Yay, soon we'll be so great everyone will want to come join our sinking, shrinking, lurking iceberg.
  • 22 23
 This a huge win for Mountain Biking as a whole and not just ebikes. Haters get over it! Ebikes are here and will continue be here. Not an ebiker myself but I don't really see what the big deal is knowing what I know about them. Happy to be riding with older and injured friends that need a little assistance to keep up. Riders we call purists just seem to have self inflicted hate toward anything new and fun. I bet the same folks who hated on 29ers and dropper posts. Geez...
  • 21 8
 I disagree. I see they as going to be the thing the anti bike groups need to ban all bikes. I have had way more poor trail interactions with ebikes than regular bikes in the last year.
  • 3 3
 @mfoga: Maybe its just you or the place you ride and not the ebikers? I have had 0 poor interactions in the last year and bike constantly over of the west...
  • 4 0
 I can't manual for shit or back flip.....where's my bike assistance?
  • 2 0
 When are they going to allow bikes on all federal trails?? That's what I wanna know. I'm in DC and sucks.
  • 4 2
 TrailForks going to reflect this change? I believe you can sort by 'emtb trails' correct?
  • 3 2
 It literally just happened Stik. I’m sure @radek and the TF crew will be working to reflect new regulations. Smile
  • 2 0
 @brianpark: Still haven't updated the BC trails for ebikes...It would take a few minutes for an admin to do that.
  • 1 0
 Yes, that's correct. However, the Trailforks record is still in its infancy for being fully verified and correct for a given trail record. Popular trails are pretty well dialed, but there are thousands in each state and province that need everyone's help to edit and contribute content, including if a trail is E-bike legal or not. Trailforks WA guy here.
  • 4 3
 Welcome to the new reality... Now ditch those stupid antique pedal bikes and get with the program! /s
  • 2 4
 Grow some balls
  • 1 0
 @MelvieD: How does your response even make sense? Grow some brain cells.
  • 2 1
 where's the energy to charge Ebike batteries come from?


once the battery life expires on an Ebike…… then what?
  • 2 1
 Yah park your car when the battery dies too
  • 5 7
 I don't want to be controversial, but I feel like when people say ebikes get more people into the sport it really doesn't apply to anyone who actually wants to get into mtb because ebikes are crazy expensive, and the only way to progress is to get stronger which you won't do on an ebike. Also, wouldn't ebikes cause more damage to trails than regular bikes??
  • 1 0
 no, no, no and no. People I've seen on an E-bike include very overweight, elderly (65+) and a fit looking dude who said he could only ride because of them due to his heart condition. Also why would they damage trails? What reason?
  • 1 0
 @friendlyfoe: yeah, I guess that makes sense I know some people who have knee problems in the 65ish range that are very fit but cant really ride a "regular" mtb. Idk why they would tear up trails now that I think about it more, but one problem might be that local trail crews etc will start shutting down trails because they think of ebikes as more like dirtbikes and so we end up with less trails, and more people on mtbs
  • 2 1
 Sounds like great news for the hole MTB community! Now we just need more open land to build trails and ride.
  • 1 0
 Looks like Friday fails just got more "electric", can't wait to see them charging in........yeah eff this. Bad idea
  • 2 0
 I hope SAR teams are prepared for this change.
  • 1 3
 I wont sell Ebikes… I don't believe all the hub-bub about how popular they are --- I think I have seen maybe 2 on MTB trails in the past couple years of riding --- only place I have seen more than 5 is on a paved trail where I ride my road bike. neat idea with a purpose (like city delivery services) but, Ebikes, to me, are just making today's population lazy like the vape zombie, snapcrapping, Instasperm, don't look up from their phones, teenagers of the world today.
  • 3 3
 here come the complaints...…..

DISCLOSURE - I do not own or ride an EMTB
  • 6 5
 Can't ride today man, my battery is in the shop.
  • 3 2
 Can't ride today, got hurt this year and I'm still recovering. Oh, I forgot, I got an eBike. Let's go ride
  • 7 6
 Oh no what will the argument against ebikes be now!
  • 5 4
 How about they're fkg lame?
  • 2 1
 @matttauszik: yeah! more downhill blows! booooooo downhill! boooooooo!
  • 1 7
flag MelvieD (Aug 30, 2019 at 21:21) (Below Threshold)
 That you are a piece of shit
  • 5 1
 @matttauszik: so you have never, ever shuttled or rode a lift at a bike park in your life?
  • 2 2
 @ktmrocks: I've shuttled like 5 times in 20 years. I've never rode lifts, I will for a day if I ever get to Whistler. I totally get why pp want/like an easier way up. It's not why I bike. For me, it's about pushing yourself physically and mentally, both up and down, and enjoying nature. I'm not ripper downhill guy. To me, this is less about Ebikes and more about removing more wilderness protections. I think we need more, not less. I ride resorts, but I'm against ski area expansion.
  • 4 0
 @matttauszik: Did you ever consider that for some people, riding an ebike and enjoying the trails is still about pushing themselves physically and mentally? Before my medical problems I would beat everyone to the top of the hill. Now I'm on an ebike and still pushing hard to get to the top of a hill. Most ebike riders only use the power they need to get the job done. Not much different than what you are doing.
  • 3 0
 @ktmrocks: exactly this. I had a go on one the other week. I could ride with the lads as normal. Instead of lagging and getting back in pain
  • 2 3
 I'm fine with it. As long as ebikers pick the proper category on their Strava. So many ebikers dominating the leaderboards for the climbs. Lol.
  • 1 1
 Horses built the USA, have you never seen a John Wayne film ?
Not f*cking mtbs
  • 2 2
 Lobbyist for the ebike industry are responsible for this.
  • 2 0
 It's true, same with ATVs being allowed to run on public roads in rural areas in place of cars in places where people voted against it. That was lobbyists. Feels like the US is turning into a third world country when you go through those counties that allow that.
  • 1 1
 But where does IMBA stand on it???
  • 4 1
 They are pissed. Their position is that ebikes and pedal bikes are different activities and should be managed separately.
  • 3 4
 Every time I see an adult on an e-bicycle, I despair for the future of the human race. -H. G. Wells
  • 2 2
 ebikes are mopeds. fuck trump
  • 1 0
 FEEL THE ANGER!!!
  • 10 10
 Take that you haters!
  • 1 1
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  • 8 9
 Motor+cycle= motorcycle. Simple math
  • 2 7
flag slayerdegnar (Aug 30, 2019 at 16:25) (Below Threshold)
 Expect ebikes have a cc of 2 and dirt bike has 450. A tank of gas lasts a hella of a lot longer than a battery.
  • 5 1
 Some people are too dumb now to comprehend that a motor makes something motorized. It's all corporate money, if this was left up to voters it would be banned on all multi use trails.
  • 1 0
 Um yah, my 250 watts compares to my 45hp dirt bike. Fail
  • 1 0
 @ktmrocks: not even close brah. 750 watt = 1hp. Google it.
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