Vecnum moveLOC 200mm Dropper - Review

Mar 22, 2018
by Paul Aston  
Vencum moveLoc


Another weird and possibly wonderful product I have been testing on my EU-made Nicolai superbike is this 200mm whopper-dropper from German brand, Vecnum.

The moveLOC has 200mm of finite drop, with presets at 0mm, 40mm, 100mm, and 200mm, a 30.9mm diameter (shims are available to fit 31.6mm and 34.9mm seat tubes), a user-adjustable air-spring and a claim to be the lightest 200mm dropper available at 560 grams. It's lined up against some tough competition; with a price of €369 it's directly in the firing line of SRAM's Reverb, Fox's Kashima-coated Transfer, Bike Yoke's Revive and the equally lengthy (and over 100 grams heavier) 200mm 9point8 Fall Line, which all retail within +/-€50.


Paul Aston European Bike
moveLOC 200mm Details

• 200mm drop, preset at 0mm, 40mm, 100mm, and 200mm
• External, fixed routing
• 30.9mm only, with shims to fit 31.6 and 34.9mm seat tubes
• Thumb or 1x style levers
• Made in Germany
• Two-year guarantee
• Weight: 560 grams inc. lever (actual)
• Price: from €369 EUR
vecnum.com


Constuction and Details

Vecnum started manufacturing their design in Asia, but ran into production problems and had to rebuild every single post upon delivery to Germany. This meant massive delays and unhappy customers waiting for their droppers to arrive. A complete restructuring of their business model brought most of the machine work and assembly in-house to Germany, except the finishing process and the initial 3D-forging of the lower portion of the post. The lower is forged in Asia, then shipped to Germany where it is machined.

The moveLOC is made from 3D forged 7075 aluminum, with carbon-reinforced polyether ether ketone (PEEK) high-grade plastic internals for the locking system and gliders. The upper and lower tubes are designed to mechanically index using a series of holes in the stanchion, which is keyed to the lowers with two brass pins and a plastic insert to eliminate side play. The patented indexing system engages a locking pin that is located on the side of the post, where there is less force exerted on it from the rider.


Vecnum moveLOC internals
Channels inside the main body of the post key into the upper stanchion, keeping things in line and avoiding side to side play. Here, you can also see the indexing pin.
Vecnum moveLOC seat clamp
The seat clamp is a neat design. By loosening off the rear bolt, the 'nut' can be unhooked from the clamp to easily remove the saddle. This also means that if you leave the front bolt tight, your seat will end up back at the same angle when reinstalled.


The 16-gram trigLOC lever (available separately to work with other dropper brands) has a machined, ribbed finish and a precise feel. Its annoyingly small, 1.5mm grub screw rounded off the moment I got enough tension to hold the cable firmly, so I swapped it out for a more unsightly Allen bolt. There is also a radial lever option for those people hanging on to 2015 by their fingernails and still have a left-hand front derailleur shifter.

Vecnum moveLOC dropper post
The moveLOC thumb lever does everything a dropper lever should do, except...
Vecnum moveLOC dropper post
...Retain the cable securely. I swapped the tiny, quickly rounded off grub screw for something more reliable.


External cable routing on dropper posts has become increasingly rare, but personally, I didn't mind it. Yes, it's not so pretty, but the bike it's mounted on is no Mona Lisa, or even Picasso on a good day when he was deep into his cubism phase. The cable is fixed so there are no long loops of housing to keep under control or that can scratch your paintwork, which also saves headaches when it comes to installation – simply fit the lever and the post, run the housing and cut it to length then add the inner cable. Also, if you do have any issues with the cable or lever, the post can be actuated by hand on the trail as a failsafe. Unfortunately, if you are fan of this kind of cable routing like me, many modern frame designs do not have usable cable mounting guides as internal routing has prevailed.

Vecnum moveLOC dropper post
External routing? Having the cable fixed on the lower portion of the post means keeps things tidy and in one position.

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Maintenance

Vecnum doesn't provide any details on their website explaining how to do a complete strip down and rebuild of the moveLOC, as they say it should not be necessary to disassemble the post for general maintenance. This can be done by the consumer simply by popping the top collar off the post with a flat lever, and then cleaning and oiling the foam ring. After about ten rides, my post developed a tiny bit (it was still functioning perfectly) of stiction which was solved in seconds using this method.

Vecnum moveLOC foam ring and seal
The moveLOC can be kept running smoothly by popping the top collar and adding oil to the foam ring.
Vecnum moveLOC air valve
The air pressure inside the post can be adjusted removing the saddle, levering out the cap and then using the Schraeder valve hidden below

When the post does need a rebuild, (which Vecnum claim will be many years) this can be done by returning the post to Vecnum and paying €40 for the service, this is said to return the post in an 'as new' mechanical condition.

I stripped the post down anyway to have a mooch around at the internals. Vecnum said it's possible to fully disassemble the post with only a 2.5mm allen key, and they were nearly right. In fact, the most difficult part of the entire task was removing and replacing the circlip at the base of the post with my circlip pliers being in a toolbox in another country. Overall, the post is a very simple unit and was easy to put back together too.


Vecnum moveLOC internals
After working out the process, a strip down to this stage and a rebuild could be done under five minutes.


Performance

Compared to the silky-smooth motion of many well-refined modern droppers, the moveLOC is like an ode to the old D.O.S.S post from Fox. The lever action is very light, but the post's action is clunky when the pin connects and disconnects from the preset locations.

Was I bothered by the lack of infinite drop? Not really. In a way I prefer the preset locations; full height for pedaling, drop it 40mm for technical climbing and gentle trail riding, miss out the 100mm location and drop it all the way down for descending. Of course, the same is possible with infinite adjust, but over time you learn exactly what each height feels like, while with an infinite drop I often feel like I am always trying to find the perfect height.

The post's insertion depth could become an issue for some riders going for the 200mm post - I could have cut 90mm off the seat tube on this gate/bike and still have the correct ride height and not go past the minimum insertion height marked on the post. Luckily the Vecnum website has a configurator on their site to make sure your new post will work with your frame.

Do you need this much drop? I'm more than happy riding with a 150mm dropper, but if you really want to hit some real steep terrain on your trail bike, the 200mm just gives you that extra comfort and confidence on the descents.

Vencum moveLoc
The small 'shutters' on the side of the post are spring loaded and allow the locking pin to enter the post. Any dirt that makes it through the holes will simply fall through and out the bottom of the post.



Pinkbike's Take:
bigquotesThe moveLOC's action isn't as refined and quiet as many of the latest droppers, it doesn't boast stealth routing or infinite adjustment, but does offer more drop than nearly every other post on the market. It's solid, light, reliable, easy to service, doesn't develop side to side play, and is priced accordingly against its competition. Paul Aston



114 Comments

  • + 31
 So if the dirt falls out the bottom of the post - then it’s filling up the frame? Would that also mean that water could easily get into the frame?
  • + 3
 Drain holes could help, but I don't want to drill holes in my frame.
  • + 21
 New water bottle bruh.
  • + 20
 Just when we thought droppers were becoming more reliable, something like this comes along and totally redeems itself.
  • - 2
 @MikeAzBS: getting close to the perfect dropper, I might be ready to fork out some £$€
  • - 2
 ..into your frame where it can then work it’s way into the bottom bracket bearings
  • + 15
 @rokboy: you remember that plastic tube that goes between your bearings and covers your spindle? Suddenly it actually seems important.
  • + 4
 @rokboy: So you're using an old open race BB? Last time I looked at my Shimano HT BB there was a plastic tube over the axle between the cups with an o-ring each end keeping the crud and water that falls down the seat tube away from the bearings which have an inboard rubber seal on anyway...

I'm not saying that collecting any extra dirt inside the frame is a good thing but something's got to be assembled badly or the plastic spacer tube not fitted at all for the bearings to be seriously exposed.
  • + 2
 Do you guys know of, and use, seat posts that fit water tight into the seat tube?
Maybe it's because our bikes are upside down all the time, can't drain out the holes they put in the BB.
  • + 1
 @Zaff: No they're always some gap somewhere, although on my HT I use a short piece of inner tube over the top of the frame which seals over the clamp and onto the dropper post to keep the worst of the water and crap out. Not amazingly pretty but functional especially as the HT is the winter bike.

If your bike is upside down a lot then surely any water should drain out?
  • + 1
 @veero: temperature change could create condensation inside the frame too.
  • + 4
 @veero: that "bike being upside down" was to do with the flag next to my name.
  • + 2
 @Zaff: Lolz sorry missed the subtlety.
  • + 20
 So people that have a different preference are out of date?

I prefer presets and don't understand the attraction to infinite droppers.

Sometimes you need your saddle a hair lower than optimal and I would hate it never being in the same spot.
3 position droppers are perfect.
  • + 1
 check out the e13, it may have too many presets for your taste with 4. but it works well after i got the stiffer spring. best lever in the game for sure.
  • + 2
 @adrennan: As much as I hate Specialized, I have two of their posts and they work great. Perfect for what I want.

I have a Fox as well and hate the infinite, not a Fox issue.
  • + 1
 @adrennan: I have the E13 dropper too and agree it is awesome! Didn't know there was a stiffer spring though as it definitely needs it - can you tell me where you got it from (the spring)?
  • + 16
 For me it's either fully up or down, none of this Stuck in the middle malarkey
  • + 7
 @doe222: Then either one would work for you since you don't have to go to the middle position first.
  • + 2
 @mackeroo: like one ride in, mine wasnt returning under its own power. i e-mailed e13 and they knew the problem (it was reported in a lot of the reviews) they mailed me a new spring kit. pretty easy install. definitely works better since
  • + 0
 @doe222: Agreed. I have been thinking, surely if you only had fully up fully down it would be very simple mechanically? Not sure why no one has done it, super simple, cheap, reliable and only the useful heights....
  • + 1
 I have a reverb and wish it had a stop in the middle, every time I try to go somewhere in the middle it ends up 1/2" above full drop...
  • + 1
 @JoeRSB: HOOLLLEEE SSHEETTTT u agrEEESD with SOMECUM
  • + 15
 Funny thing was, during the long time it took them to switch production from asia back to Germany, there was no other option for a 200mm dropper post on the market. So these things went PREMIUM on the second hand market. its the only bike part I ever made a profit on, buying it NEW for 369 Euro and selling it USED for 530 Euro. Still, damn fine post. The only one I like better is the 8Pins.
  • + 6
 9.8 has had a 200 available for 1.5 years now. That said, I've had my share of problem with the 9.8 and am about ready to ditch all the smooth operating posts in favor a an old reliable mechanical (Gravity Droppers continue to work without fail 10 years later)
  • + 14
 And here I am struggling to make my 125 fit...
  • + 28
 Don't worry, I hear 125 is close to average.
  • + 3
 and 150mm is more than enough
  • + 2
 My 170 is too much and makes riding uncomfortable.
  • + 10
 Is it just me, or is this the most overpriced poorly designed dropper post on the market. Its taken all components critical to its function and made them heavily exposed to all the elements. It's more expensive then the leading fox transfer post.
  • - 6
flag sngltrkmnd (Mar 22, 2018 at 10:54) (Below Threshold)
 External routing? Hard pass. My Reverb works perfectly with routine maintenance.
  • + 4
 Yes, the design seems outdated. But the build quality is way above what I've seen from anybody else. Wouldn't be surprised if these things could indeed go without service for years.
  • + 9
 I'll just say: YEP Components.
No waiting list.
Swiss made.
Stealth routing.
Mechanical.
Up to 185 mm
The two most usual diameters.
  • + 1
 This, got 3 over the years to accomodate different diameters (30.9, then 31.6, then they released the 185mm version), 2 friends are riding the "old" ones and they're still good as new.
Not much more expensive than some other brands, and they just work.
  • + 1
 Just like an umbrella mechanism. Genius
  • + 8
 Quite novel, to drop in on another brands review and steathly promote a better alternative from a rising brand. Have we lowered our standards that far? Yep, we have.
  • + 4
 @Boardlife69: It's not novel at all. It pretty much happens in every review published on this site. Our standards have been lowered. It usually goes something like this: "...Or you could buy a YT for 66 percent of the price."
Somehow, it's always YT.
  • + 1
 @TheR: I just wanted to order a Vecnum last year....they put me on a long long waiting list. Then i heard of Yep...called the guy...had a post the next day.
  • + 3
 @TheR: The puns, you missed the puns. The meaning of the sentance is irrelavent. Novel = oh nevermind, just drop it.
  • + 1
 @Boardlife69: why is it bad to drop another brand? hes just sharing his experience which helps id rather learn about a better brand of dropper that always works and one i can actually buy
  • + 2
 @Boardlife69: ... I see what you did there Smile maybe next time just drop one pun at a time into the comment thread, at fixed intervals.
  • + 1
 185mm only for internal routing though
  • + 6
 Used this dropper for quite some time now, all it needed was a bit of lubrication onto the foamring beneath the collar. That means close to zero maintenance so far, while all the lads keep rebuilding their reverbs and other posts...
  • + 1
 Heard that on the rebuild. Have had my KS Lev Supernatural (non remote) for over 3 years now and have never done one thing to it. Still goes up and down with no problems, infinite positions!
  • + 4
 A €40 service charge is very good, so much so that I'm surprised nobody had mentioned it. When you can spend over three times that (yearly) to keep a reverb fresh the initial cost doesn't look so bad!
  • + 0
 40 for sending to service? No info from manufacturer about rebuilding?
Seriously?!...
  • + 2
 I don't know why all the hate for this thing? It's simple, nearly fail safe, and is externally routed (which I like) w/ 200mm of drop. I would buy one tomorrow if I could get it shipped to the US (the owner says shipping to the US is "unreliable"). Its not like I'm shipping it into a remote region of jungle in the Congo, I live outside LA. OK, so that's what's retarded about the product.
  • + 6
 Maybe because LA is a warzone with Crips and Bloods ambushing couriers staking out the MTB business among each other with its profits eclipsing crack and prostitution by now.
  • + 6
 @Sontator: Sounds like a reasonable argument.
  • + 2
 Im using two of them and wouldn’t want any one of my former dropper posts back (reverb, KS)
It’s the best investment I made to my bike in years. Zero maintenance so far but both are working perfectly fine.
I dont need the in between positions much full up and full down is what im using the most but it offers enough positions if needed. Hence the locking is all mechanical there are no problems with the hydraulic locking system pulling air when lifting the bike on the saddle or other things that make them fail.
I can service it by myself if needed and the build quality is superior.
Almost perfect product in my opinion, stealth option would be nice but not a biggy for me.
  • + 1
 I have one and love it, but I speak german, officially they do not ship to the US which is a real bummer. I'm building another bike and would like to get one more but I would have a friend in Germany order it, pay full taxes, then ship again over here.
  • + 1
 This explain everything why it was impossible to get one 2 years ago when I tried to get one.
Anyway went with bikeyokea rivive and now I hawed 3 of them, sold all my KS an RF DIY vasectomy device plus first one where dead from the box(first batch on European market)

Waiting for EXT Storia LOK Shock and intend revive.
  • + 4
 Vecnum?.....damn near killed him!
  • + 2
 I’m riding this dropper post since 2014… one of the best products I ever had… it’s still working great…

(I’m riding more than 500h/Year)
  • + 2
 I find it perfect. I hate installing both mechanical and hydraulic posts. This is appropriate technology and that is also why it is light.
  • + 0
 I have riden this thing and i really didn´t liked it.
Biggest problem was, it has too much drop and there is no engagement point to lock the post around 150-160mm which would be perfect for me, so i didn´t get an ideal downhill position. The action ist very clunky, it doesn't look good and the small 'shutters' in the sliding tube makes it not as good sealed as other posts. I had a reverb and liked its smooth action and infinite drop much more. But the Reverb isn't really reliable. Now i am on a bikeyoke revive. Best dropper post by far.
  • + 2
 What is the length of the post that must be inserted to stomp it? Kinda important if you ask me.
  • + 2
 At first I thought it was really called the Whopper Dropper...kinda bummed now that its not.
  • + 3
 EXTERNAL FIXED routing F*Ck YEAH
  • + 2
 I'm glad to see a well thought out seat clamp. So many dropper seatposts are ruined by crappy clamping.
  • + 2
 I'm not sure what to gripe on about this post first, so I'm just going to keep my mouth shut like my mother taught me.
  • + 3
 Problem is, my bike fits me. I don't have an extra 200mm of exposed post.
  • + 9
 Just if someone has 200mm of exposed post doesnt mean the bike doesnt fit them. Everybody has different body dimensions. I for one have long legs and shortish torso, so I usually have a lot of exposed post. 200mm post works great for me.
  • + 3
 Bike design, as well as leg length, determines how much dropper you can run. Not bike fit.
  • + 2
 Gravity dropper, is that you? All modern and s#it.
  • + 2
 You just know Sram will answer back with a 200.99mm dropper
  • + 2
 Shims.... no thanks. They always develop strange noises.
  • + 2
 why not route it along the bottom side of the top tube?
  • + 3
 Too tight if a bend in the cable housing most likely
  • + 3
 Looks he doesnt have mounts. Otherwise, giv er
  • + 2
 Fricking grub screws grrrr
  • + 1
 i had my ks grub screw strip out and had to replace it with a pedal pin...
  • + 1
 Whole lotta clicking going on there...
  • + 2
 It's meant to click. Thats the sound of the parts positively locking together in the preset positions.
  • + 1
 No stealth is a no go for me...
  • + 3
 In their defense, the cable attaches to the collar, not the bottom of the saddle. You don't have to . have extra cable housing slack to compensate for the up and down movement of the saddle.
  • + 4
 @hamncheez: brand x ascend 2 from crc does the same thing and doesn't have to be locked in certain positions and get this is under 200 bucks????
  • + 1
 Different posts for different people I guess. I wouldn't want stealth. Seems like too much of a hassle lower the saddle all the way down using the qr lever. If I'd get a dropper, I'd definitely go with external routing. If I need to be able to have the saddle at XC height I can raise it (and the lower position would still work for general riding). And if I don't expect to need XC height, I can use the qr lever to set the post in the lowest position and then the high position (of the dropper mechanism) would still be more than high enough.
  • + 2
 @mhoshal: I actually prefer indexed positions on a dropper. I really liked the specialized command post (older version) that only had 3 positions. Its a different strokes for different folks type deal.

While the Brand X droppers are extremely good deals (cheap, excellent build quality etc) they don't have the 200mm drop and are heavier. You could say the same thing though about xtr vs xt, and most other things about bikes.
  • - 1
 Infinite droppers are where its at none of this only lock at certain spots stuff. Do yourselves a favour and pick up a brand x ascend from crc and be done with it.
  • + 5
 Don't think i ever use any other position than fully up or fully down so if it increases reliability (the biggest issue with all droppers) and drops some weight too then i'm all for fixed positions.
  • - 1
 @maglor: until you realize when you are comfortable in one locked position and move it to another locked position that isn't as comfortable for you where you wished it could be up 3mm or down 6mm
  • + 3
 @maglor: I use down 20mm or so all the time for technical climbing where I might need to sit down and pedal with power, but I’d like the extra clearance for lunging up onto stuff. Without a pre-set position I usually have to stop and double check it’s where I want it.
  • + 3
 Brand x, such a good deal especially when they go on sale
  • + 2
 Make sure to keep a spare KS (or other) around, a warrantee turnaround kept me in the dark for almost 3 weeks - never again. Mechanical positive locking and a rechargeable air spring seems like pretty dependable system.
  • + 3
 Waiting for Ascend XXL (185mm) or XXXL (200mm) dropper
  • + 4
 Oooh! what about a preset dropper, but you get to set where the presets are? wouldn't that be like the best of both worlds?

Almost kind of like the Ninepins dropper. Hmmm.
  • + 1
 X- Fusion Manic. 150mm Drop- 200€ and easy to service/ parts are dirt cheap.

Havent seen one so far- Im getting it for m new bike for sure
  • + 1
 External routing looks OK
m.pinkbike.com/photo/15713648
  • + 1
 Order now for delivery in 2020!
  • + 1
 Got mine within four days from ordering.
  • - 2
 if you need 200mm or even 175mm buy the 9point8 fallline, mine works flawlessly everytime! infinite adjust, internal routing, lighter weight, and better looking!
  • + 1
 Mine is hopelessly unreliable. They just did a mass email with a fix for posts which lose pressure. They also got dropped by Raceface who used to license their technology. Bad experience.
  • + 0
 Doesn't the indexing pin wears out or even the post shaft?
  • - 1
 They should sponsor Schurter and have him run a dropper with 0mm, 0mm, 0mm and 0mm of pre-set drop locations!
  • + 1
 No bottle cage...
  • + 0
 aren't external dropper posts a 2015 relic?
  • + 0
 no thanks, external routing just doesn't look good
  • + 7
 Look ahead, down the trail
  • - 1
 @BryceBorlick:
im,what's your point?
  • + 0
 Plastic internals? So durability may come into question?
  • + 2
 Peek is like 4 times the price per kilogram than your standard modulus carbon fiber that goes in bike production. It's not just your bottle grade PET
  • - 1
 Is this a joke? because it's not funny
  • + 0
 Dat seat angle tho...
  • + 1
 Yeah, that seat angle!
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