Video: 28 Bikes Bottomed Out In Ultra Slo Mo (1000 FPS)

Jan 12, 2021
by Pinkbike Originals  


In 2020, we hucked 28 mountain bikes to flat so we thought it was about time to compile them all into one video. Sit back, relax, and enjoy three and a half minutes of bikes getting the full squish treatment








213 Comments

  • 208 3
 The people want a written version of this. Video won't do.
  • 93 2
 I want a podcast about it, describing what happens to each bike
  • 67 0
 Maybe a flipbook?
  • 10 1
 I would love to see some measurements taken from these video. Which bike had the most front wheel deflection?
  • 2 0
 @newbermuda: It'd be Mike on the mic in super slow motion, please NO, thank you!
  • 4 0
 @fjopsys: Yes, we want a fancy table with many numbers (the more significant digits the better) and lengthy footnotes so that we dont have to watch this boring video.
  • 11 1
 Grim donut is the only bike where the chain hits the ground. Future geometry will certainly be with a gearbox
  • 6 0
 ASMR audiodescription
  • 79 1
 @nozes @newbermuda Careful what you ask for - we might stretch this out into a month-long series where we talk about only one bike bottoming out for an hour each podcast. Stay tuned for the next episode Wink haha
  • 18 0
 @mikelevy: Rigid fat bike huck to flat test....
  • 30 0
 I want to see video of Jason's facial expressions while doing the hucks to flat.
  • 3 0
 @wheelsmith: ibis mojo?
  • 5 0
 A Taj reimagined drawing would really do well to "paint the full picture", if you will...
  • 15 0
 @mikelevy: Your guy's Podcasts have been great btw, I like the honest and straight forward discussions and opinions... The on set audio from you guys sounds very good as well... Cheers, thanks for the content.
  • 7 0
 @ridayobike: Stoked you like 'em!
  • 4 0
 More short shorts
  • 2 0
 @wheelsmith: or shimano derailleurs
  • 1 0
 Where's the Ransom!!!
  • 4 0
 @landscapeben: it was used to buy all the other bikes
  • 1 0
 @waldo-jpg: yeah more Shimano vs SRAM
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: you should find a way to compare the flex of the frames as Pinkbike’s unbiased data would be an interesting take on what different brands claim about the stiffness of their frames.
  • 1 0
 @likeittacky: lol good response
  • 1 0
 @newbermuda: Preferably in a whisper, right?
  • 1 0
 @wheelsmith: last bike too. Ibis mojo
  • 82 0
 Ever done a dual crown huck test? Would be interesting to compare.
  • 37 0
 I would love to see that. Also, if they could throw in some period forks like a Totem, Super Monster T etc.
  • 17 0
 Would love to see this as well! Here are some slow-mos from one of Sam Pilgrim's videos: imgur.com/a/LwLDhkA

Even more flex!
  • 2 0
 @fjopsys: doing doing doing!
  • 4 0
 @fjopsys: wow did not expect that much flex.
  • 2 1
 @fjopsys: I guess Dox 40s are stiffer! Those Boxxers definitely wiggle about
  • 2 1
 @fjopsys: The Fox 40 makes that boxxer look like a wet noodle
  • 2 0
 @fjopsys: Would really like to see USD fork for comparison because they should be aft-stiffer....
  • 1 0
 @CustardCountry: other variables at play too. Rear suspension doesn't look similar between the bikes either, which can change how the front suspension moves. Also would make a big difference if anyone is dragging a front brake.

I wouldn't consider that video to mean much in isolation.
  • 2 2
 @seismicninja: The 40 is also so stiff that no normal person under 160lbs could ride it.
  • 44 1
 Would enjoy:
1- a digital stop watch running in the corner, with 1/100 of second at least.
2- TyreWiz data run concurrently across the bottom
2- ShockWiz data from both fork and shock run across the bottom
3- More shots from drive side for better look at chain movement
4- music selected that sounds okay when played at 0.25 speed.
  • 13 0
 WE NEED MORE DATA!
  • 20 0
 It bothers me that there are two #2......
  • 17 1
 @BMXJJ327: we need more #2
  • 3 0
 I gotta a fever and the only prescription is more #2!
  • 2 0
 Chill, Calvin had Hobbes scribing... gotta keep Calvin around for his genius imagination.
  • 1 0
 more air
  • 1 0
 Yeah what he said Wink But seriously that would be enough data for a video!
  • 1 0
 @Jordansemailaddress: I'm leaving a #2 while reading this
  • 28 0
 2ndary plot: Jason Lucas' wrists bottoming out
  • 2 0
 Slow motion dis location
  • 17 2
 What is interesting here is the bikes with stiffer forks tend to compress less smoothly, you notice the less stiff forks like the fox 36, sid etc flex a lot but stay flexed and the suspension compresses smoothly but the stiffer forks oscillate back and forth creating intermittent binding...this is very interesting.
  • 1 1
 Maybe it's 'working as intended', but it certainly doesn't look very flattering in slo-mo. It's surprising to see the front wheel stop rotating for a split second on the forks with excessive binding. What's going on here?
  • 14 0
 @fjopsys: So for the wheel "stopping", you see how the fork is slack? And in the absence of anything else, if you compress the fork, the front axel moves backward relative to the bike? Well when you huck to flat, in this case, the front wheel is moving backward relative to the frame fast enough that it almost stops relative to the ground. That said the frame keeps moving forward.

As for the compression of the forks being non uniform, I had originally assumed stictions on the guide bushings would be to blame. Upon review I believe that the issue is primarily the tire acting as a undamped spring and causing the system to oscillate. As well as the force from the rider taking a little to fully load up the fork.

In steps you have:
1. Tire touches ground and fully compresses to rim, fork is moving very little.
2. Tire starts re bounding and shock starts compressing quicker.
3. Tire finishes rebounding, shock moves back to slower compression with the overall movement of the frame.
4. Riders hands start to weight the bars more as the compression damping and spring force are reacted. leading to a more smooth and steady continuous compression of the fork.
  • 10 0
 @tbev: 5. Jason Lucas opens eyes.
  • 1 1
 With the exception of the lefty. Would be nice to see an inverted fork for comparison
  • 1 0
 @tbev: thanks for the observations, I think your analysis makes sense. Any thoughts on how this oscillation could be mitigated? I wonder if inserts that have an air pocket (Tannus) help dampen the tire?
  • 1 0
 @tbev: -Q. I would have thought wouldn't it just be the frame moving forward when the fork compresses. depriving the wheel of that energy to rotate ?? rather than the front axel/front wheel moving backwards??
I really don't have a clue it's just what i thought happened
  • 1 2
 @fjopsys: that’s why you #Ride Fox, their through axle system with a pinch bolt eliminates any binding of the stations
  • 1 0
 @tbev: Yep I think suspension gurus could analyze this to no end.
Makes you wonder if a forward moving fork wouldn't be better (like the Trust one but going kinda forward or the one made by Rocksled on Instagram).
Or maybe the ideal trajectory would be an "S" : 1st going a bit rearward to swallow the tire "shockwave" then moving forward as the frame pushes the fork into its travel, so the front axle wouldn't lose all its momentum.
But this is what happens on huck to flat, not sure the same happens proportionally on small bumps.

Again it would've been cool to se the EXT Era.

Or maybe a "2 actions" fork (picture a small stanchion at the bottom for instance, or at the crown)
  • 1 0
 @orphan: He said "in the absence of anything else the axle moves backward" so I think he meant fix the frame on a stand, remove the pressure in the fork, slide the lowers into their travel, the axle indeed goes upward and backward relatively to were it was. So with a bit of forward momentum, it cancels each other and the wheel stops for a second and the axle stands still.
  • 1 0
 @Will-narayan: - i understand what he said and you are saying it's just i'm not seeing it (and trust me i'm deferring to you guys,just trying to understand this)
I want to try your experiment, but is that really recreating the conditions of what is happening ???
Either way thanks for trying to help me - the video of the forces being generated on the wheels and suspensions are great
  • 1 0
 @orphan: Well it's not visible in the video, it's just heory.
If you considere a hierarchy where the frame is the master of the frontfork (=considering the frame as the origin of the system) then the front axle is moving upward and rearward when the fork compresses, and it always does just because that's the angle of the fork.
But when the frame goes forward and downward and the wheel hits the ground the axle is temporarily immobile relatively to the world coordinates system (but still going rearward/upward relatively to the frame coord system).
In the bike hierarchy, the front part of the bike are "children" to the frame, but when the wheel hits the ground the front part of the bike is temporarily "binded" to the world so the front part is fixed while the frame keeps going forward/downward. As the wheel eventually starts rolling again the binding to the world comes to an end and the axle starts moving forward again.
It's basic stuff in 3D softwares but I may be badly explaining it^^.
  • 3 0
 You guys all study philosophy or what....a lot of bro science going on here...
  • 1 0
 @orphan: Well to be exact, I say "it's not visible" but it's kind of visible, you have to isolate the bike from the environment. If you were to paint everything black but the bike, and stabilize the picture on the bike (like an anti vibration software does in a gopro) the frame would be fixed and the front part of the bike would move backward/upward.
  • 1 0
 And what I said about an ideal S curve is dumb, well I mean it only works in the case of huck to flat. In the other cases of rolling overobstacle an S curve would not be ideal at all.
  • 1 0
 @tbev:
I'd be curious if an inline mass damper could be used to quell the oscillation. With the tires being so big and so softly aired these days, I'm sure the resonant frequencies of the tires and suspension are overlapping.
  • 1 0
 @atestisthis: Yeah I think theres a lot of interaction with the suspension on the current high volume tires. Watching videos like this, its clear why 27.5+ didnt stick around. I dont do vibrations for work, and I haven't had a class on vibrations in probably about 10 years; I dont really have the memory fresh enough to give mass dampers a sanity check. Honestly I think the slowmo here is a good selling point for tire inserts, it should limit the compression of the tires and probably damp their uncontrolled rebound a little.
  • 17 0
 @jasonlucas, we thank your ankles for their sacrifice. may they live on in the hall of straight up hucking heroes.
  • 18 0
 Just me, or did the lefty survive the best here? Smile
  • 15 1
 Looked the most rigid front to back. Having owned and ridden a bunch of them, I'm not surprised. Not saying that less flex is more better.
  • 7 0
 I was surprised out how un-bouncy the lightweight cannondales moved through their travel front to back. There were also a few bigger bikes that moved through their travel surprisingly bad. The nomad and slash just looked like crap to be honest. That p train on the other hand looked smooth as silk compressing. The propain looked nice and smooth too through all its stroke as well.
  • 3 0
 @cougar797: I think this is more just the wallowy nature if longer travel bikes, obviously what is seen and what is felt are different. The Cannondales definitely looked more composed as did alk the shorter travel bikes but I'm willing to bet the rider felt the shock much more..the big bikes are prolonging the length of the hit so will take longer to reach fulk compression and longer to extend but they will also hit bottom out less abruptly... If you did this test on hardtail rigid fork bike it woyld look great on camera, look completely composed but the rider would feel one hell of a jolt.
  • 2 0
 I think it is an optical illusion. You can see the lowers flexing as much as the other forks.
  • 2 0
 I request Jason to only have his left hand on the handlebar when hucking the lefty
  • 9 0
 Everytime you see Jason's face, you can see his soul dying a little bit with each landing
  • 1 5
flag jaame (Jan 12, 2021 at 7:44) (Below Threshold)
 They must let the suspension down a lot though. No mortal could handle that many bottom outs at spec pressures.
  • 2 0
 @jaame: they have set the shock sag to recommended value (about 30 %) and the fork too.
  • 3 0
 Especially the HTs...you can see the pain.
  • 2 0
 @ReformedRoadie: - my spine hurt just watching
  • 2 0
 @orphan: so does he get, like, hazard pay?
  • 3 0
 @conv3rt: No. He was shocked when he found this out.
  • 2 0
 @rrolly: shame. I'm sure he'll bounce back.
  • 9 1
 I can't remember but did they ever huck to flat a Lefty? I would love to see that.
  • 17 0
 I think around the 2:00 minute mark is a Lefty.
  • 1 0
 @GTJosh: Oh yeah. I think you're right.
  • 3 0
 @GTJosh: that's a stiff one!
  • 2 0
 @GTJosh: Crazy how well the Lefty holds its own in comparison to the other forks.
  • 5 0
 @mi-bike: it does look like it deflects way less than the other xc trail forks.....plus no chance for csu noise
  • 1 0
 Yup, it's in there!
  • 1 0
 All these people still skeptical over the Lefty's design....you know this design is the most common car suspension in the world....
  • 1 0
 @FurryCrew: Plus a whole axle in the back/linkage in the front.
  • 2 1
 @mikelevy: That’s what she said
  • 5 0
 Definitely interesting with all of these huck to flat videos to see just how much all of the forks flex...except that lefty maybe. That one appears to have a lot less flex than all of the other ones. I wonder if that's an optical illusion?
  • 4 0
 It's not - the Lefty is stiffer front to back.
  • 5 0
 I think it would be interesting to see some of the crazier suspension setups doing huck to flat. Like the Trust Message and Shout, inverted forks, the Structure Bikes SCW1. It is crazy how short regular bikes get when the suspension gets fully compressed, lets see how other stuff looks
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: Very cool articles. But what about the Slowest-of-Mo!!! It is interesting to see how the Trust forks move through the travel, it would be interesting to try out. I know from riding the Structure bike that it gets longer through compression. More supple than my downhill bike and pulled me out of nose heavy landings that would have had me in trouble. You guys should have a regular biking Joe review! I volunteer as tribute
  • 6 0
 MINIMAL protection on the grim donut, maximum facial wincing. Jason, you live your life without fear.
  • 3 0
 compare it to the face with the Honzo. Ouch.
  • 7 0
 @angryasian so.... when do we get the CyclingTips huck to flat?
  • 1 0
 would love to see a Lauf leaf spring fork TBH
  • 5 0
 Am I the only one thinking an Enduro or even bigger bike shouldn't bottom out on such a jump? I mean, what are you gonna do on a proper drop?
  • 3 1
 On a proper drop you should have a transition as part of your landing where you can land smoothly and without the Impact of a flat landing
  • 5 0
 @RockCrawler: "Should" is the magic word. I thought the big bikes should have reserves for when "should" diverges from reality.
  • 2 1
 @Z1-AV69: and when would that happen? it's the perpendicularity that's the issue; unless you've just cased massively or pedaled your 35lb enduro rig to the skate park, it's just not something you'll encounter
  • 5 0
 I was thinking the same thing. Unless the Enduro bikes were hucked from a higher drop point... and the XC/DC bikes from a lower. But in the Enduro video, you can see the jump/drop is only 3ft or so. I don't expect to use 160-180mm of travel (all available) on a 3ft drop!
  • 2 0
 The reality is that you should have 5-10% suspension available from such a small ramp. Was doing this the other day and the relative issue with all these rear air shocks on display is the double binding effect near bottom out. The shocks are beyond operating range on max pressure and should not be pushed beyond this point. Coming from enduro motorcycles I have coils in both my current bikes (Fuel EX, Rail) and I can tell you that the push modified lyrik and the marzocchi z1 coil would put this lot to shame, ditch these garbage air forks that have zero bottom out support and their foolish followers haha
  • 1 0
 @tprojosh: iono air forks just won the national motocross championship and won supercross last year. not that i'm a fan, but i don't know if bottom-out support correlates strongly to coil spring; it's design details..unless you call coil bind bottom out support
  • 3 0
 So here's one for the engineers (and/or possibly the welders) on here...

What is it about bikes now that makes them able to withstand super slack headtube angles? I remember in the early 00's seeing pictures of snapped headtubes EVERYWHERE on freeride bikes. And these were big, BURLY bikes....and not just snapped crowns (obviously helped nowadays by larger diameters on the CSU interface and likely better manufacturing tolerances too, I assume). Early 2000's bikes weren't even that slack by today's standards, but overforking your bike back in the day was ofter a recipe for disaster. What's changed??

Signiificant advancements of different alloys? Different welding materials or techniques? Different reinforcement or tube placement? Please enlighten if you have any insight!
  • 1 0
 If you are offering the bike up I could snap it no matter what it is just takes the right compression haha but joking aside I think atleast from a metallurgy perspective a lot of headtube design and failure from testing has yielded a few very strong designs and with increased hydroforming in modern bicycle construction. Aluminum in airplanes for 70+ years have yielded high strength I think it may be QC issues in bikes.
  • 1 0
 Larger headtubes allow for a larger connection to the other tubes. Better design. Less obsession with weight.
  • 4 0
 The motion of the chain developing it s own morphology and character upon impact is unreal , it s seems like it want to get of the production line and lick the ground.
  • 2 0
 Is it just me, or does something look wrong with the Yeti SB115 at the 2:18 to 2:19 mark? The suspension goes through most of its travel at 2:16-2:18, then suddenly the angle of the shock completely changes and the wheel moves a bunch more, without there being much more compression of the shock. While many of the bikes show this two stage compression of the suspension, none of the others show the abrupt change in shock angle, which looks like it would cause a major change in the leverage ratio as the suspension moves past an inflection point.
  • 2 0
 For shits and giggles I'd like to see back to back video and/or a ghost overlay of these bottom out slomo and the same bikes with proper suspension settings to see the differences between bottom out and normal mid stock usage....
  • 1 0
 The thing about the pole's chain stay brace bending that is strange to me is that it was in the huck to flat. Like, both mikes rode that bike a fair bit before that. Some of the riding was in WBP. And neither of them bent it. Neither of them had any harsh landings or g outs (or getting off line in a rock garden and smashing bigger rocks than intended) that matched the force of that little ~3ft huck to flat. I know Jason weights more, but still. The Mikes' look skilled and appear to ride reasonably aggressive, seems strange that it didn't bend for one of them.
  • 4 0
 I agree, but landing to flat is a high-speed compression and Jason does weight 40-ish-lb more than Kaz and I do. We could have weakened the swingarm as well, but not folded that brace like Jason did. I should also mention that my ankles are absolute garbage and they keep me from ever doing anything to flat if I want to walk without a limp on a regular basis, so I try to avoid them.
  • 3 0
 Huck to flat for me is a bit like when you have a new car, you test the limit of the grip in corner and speed. But with a bike ! You Must Do It. Even if it hurts.
  • 1 0
 My buddy who just got into mountain biking asked why these videos were a big deal. New to pinkbike culture, I guess.. Anyways, I informed home the many many reasons. And mentioned sometimes they break, but then promptly forget which bike broke. Please enlighten me.
  • 1 0
 Pole
  • 1 0
 I'd like to see a similar test with a 34, 36, 38 (and RS equivalent) on the 3 different bikes with HAs of 63, 65 and 67.

To my eye, the 38 flexes more than expected, but I think that has to do with the 38 generally being bolted to bikes with slacker head angles.

If nothing else, it would give us an excuse to see more slow mo footage.
  • 4 0
 At 27 seconds that Jeffsy looks SMOOTH.
  • 1 0
 I actually rewound to see what bike it was Smile
  • 3 1
 Nice to see you got Loic Bruni to test bikes for you....but seriously, anybody else notice the similarities between @jasonlucas and Loic?
  • 1 0
 Why do some bikes seem to have a point of resistance some way into their travel? It is pronounced for some bikes, while others seem to lack it at all. Is it the kinematics or the uneven impact (first back then front)?
  • 1 0
 Curious if anyone can comment on how it seems in a good amount of the shots that Jason is applying the brakes most likely on accident potentially causing some inconsistency in how the fork or shock will compress.
  • 3 0
 Can future bike reviews ever be complete without a huck to flat test?
  • 3 0
 Brutal to see everything flex so much
  • 3 0
 We need destructive testing next...
  • 1 0
 I mean it's gotta flex or it'll just snap. I'm actually blow away by the lack of flex on all these bikes. Even the XC bikes seen stiff as fuck. Really the only part that seems to flex nowadays is the fork.
  • 3 0
 Ha! The Grim Donut's chain hit the ground.
  • 6 1
 Chain bottomed out. Needs more drivetrain ramp-up.
  • 3 1
 @mikelevy: need adjustable derailleur volume spacers for that mid stroke support.
  • 3 1
 Poor rims. I would increase my tire pressure if I knew I was gonna slam that hard.
  • 5 0
 I think they did. I believe they run mid twenties for trail testing and like 35 for huck to flat test. But I’m sure there is someone who can correct me if I’m wrong.
  • 2 0
 @Spiral23: That's correct.
  • 4 1
 @mikelevy: yeah! Only once in a life time!



Ps: I still hope that second thing I’ll every be correct about is that 29” wheels are not the future!
  • 3 0
 p train shock ever open back up
  • 1 0
 It would also be good for the handlebars to be listed. Some of them flex like crazy. From a previous video, it seemed to be the own-brand ones.
  • 1 0
 those Commencals looked scaryy
  • 1 0
 mad kudos to the lyric in front of the grim donut, took that ultra slack HT angle like a champ without snapping into pieces...
  • 1 0
 If there was only a solution to your chain dragging on the ground off drops?
Sure my chain does not do that, but never tried watching it at 1000 FPS!
  • 3 2
 no wonder the kashima rubbs off on the fox forks ,the flex at the bushing is pretty bad considering most people rate fox as the best.
  • 1 0
 The second and third bikes at the beginning of the video - The frames look like they're gonna snap near the head tube - Jesus, do those bikes have slack head angles or what!
  • 2 0
 Just came here for the Pole, to look at his stamina
  • 3 1
 Mountain bike torture porn. * removes his pants *
  • 2 0
 Childish and pointless testing.... Carry On!
  • 1 0
 I’d like to see the super slow-mo of @jasonlucas facial expressions from this.
  • 1 0
 wouldn't the grim donut be better off with a zeb or 38? although would be a shame to lose those red lowers from the lyrik
  • 1 0
 Anyone else see what looks to be fluid shooting out the top of the fork (Zeb) on the Trek Slash at 1:33?
  • 1 0
 Never mind, it looks like some cobweb that was there on the fall too. Deceiving
  • 1 0
 Ha ha, his face tho! Looked like he racked his twig and berries every time he landed! ????????
  • 1 0
 In unrelated news, @jasonlucas will be out for 6-8 weeks with full knee and ankle replacement surgery.
  • 1 0
 is this bottom out porn for the tech and suspension people... lots of chain fap
  • 2 0
 Do this with downhill bikes
  • 2 0
 Full suspension TANDEM please. @mikelevy and kazmer.
  • 1 0
 I don't think that would be in the best interests of Kaz and I tho
  • 1 0
 With some of them... yikes.
  • 1 0
 RIP Jason's ankles and wrists
  • 1 0
 Would love a video like this with the focus on different forks
  • 1 0
 Just watch the rear derailleurs.
  • 3 0
 I think I take my drivetrain for granted, I had no idea my rear derailleur had to deal with so much flap. Impressive that they work given how bad the chain looks. Would love to see how a belt drive setup (like a Zerode bike) holds up.
  • 1 0
 Too bad they haven't figured out a better way to dampen the initial shock.
  • 1 0
 Always such a treat riding short cage DH derailers after being on the new big and flappy ones for a while.
  • 1 0
 This article needs a NSFW advisory.
  • 1 0
 Interesting watching the chain reaction compared to body language!
  • 1 0
 I think body wants to do about the same as chain does, but bones are restricting that.
  • 1 0
 What I want to know is if they did this locally? haha
  • 1 0
 That hardtail kona honzo on 1:51 hurt him bad.
  • 1 0
 please do one on the 2020 specialized enduro
  • 1 0
 @mikelevy: makes you wonder if a progressive derailleur clutch could be a thing.
  • 1 0
 These "flex-stay" bikes really irk me.
  • 1 0
 the stumpy front end tho..
  • 1 0
 I thought that norco hardtail stood up well considering
  • 1 0
 Poor man, surely he is very sore now....after tons of bottom out.. hehe
  • 2 0
 SO MUCH CHAIN SLAP
  • 1 0
 So what was the point of this then ?
  • 1 0
 I want the raw audio, let us hear them creaks and pops!!!!
  • 1 0
 That was just rude making him huck the hardtail
  • 1 0
 Coffe Table Book with Huge Pics!!!
  • 1 0
 28 ways how to improve your ankle strength
  • 1 0
 Next do a video on recovering from Patellar Tendonitis.
  • 1 0
 Did the Cane Creek rear blow on the Actofive?
  • 1 0
 Buy this guy a set of new wrists
  • 1 0
 I want to see a huck-to-flat on the Structure.
  • 1 0
 I noticed lot of santa cruz bikes flexed alot on fork/headtube area...
  • 1 0
 Please do a huck to flat with DH bikes!
  • 1 0
 Conclusion: Deraillers have to go.
  • 1 0
 Next article, 28 creaky crowns!
  • 1 0
 I would like to see the fourby4 system working... Try a KNOLLY
  • 1 0
 After 16 seconds, everyone tuned out.
  • 1 0
 Squished donut
  • 1 0
 Holy Calfs Batman!
  • 3 2
 Cush Core for the Win!!!
  • 1 1
 that norco torrent was VIOLENT. the front end flexed like crazy!
  • 9 0
 The front end isn't flexy. What you're watching is the head angle changing 7.5 degrees (ish) as the fork bottoms out. This is why hardtails with long forks are dumb.
  • 2 0
 strong frame. flexy Lyrik
  • 2 0
 @PAmtbiker: dumb maybe, but sooo much fun to ride!
  • 1 0
 @PAmtbiker: agree. If the back is bouncy and skippy over rough, I want the front to at least mimic that feeling. 130 worked for me.
  • 1 1
 Does it just seem to me that the worst pedal kickback is from Propain?
  • 1 0
 I don't know, the compression looked the best on the Propain.
  • 1 0
 RIP ankles.
  • 2 1
 More Hard Tails please.
  • 1 0
 Nice!
  • 1 2
 Dude in spandex gotta go....
  • 1 0
 Same dude, different test series.
  • 1 1
 @Ajorda: shuddup
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