Video: 4 Ways to Ride Kona's New Remote 160 in 'Chapters'

Sep 17, 2019
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PRESS RELEASE: Kona Bicycles

There’s no denying the fact that electric bikes are here to stay. At Kona, we believe in bikes—all bikes. When we sat down to figure out the best way to ride as much as possible while having as much fun as possible, the result became clear: make an electric bike that rides just like a Process. The result is the brand new Remote 160.

Sherry Staples rides the Kona Remote 160
Sherry Staples
Trevor Porter rides the Kona Remote 160
Trevor Porter

Jim Brown rides the Kona Remote 160
Jim Brown
Caleb Holonko rides the Kona Remote 160
Caleb Holonko

Electric bikes mean something different to everyone. Whether you’re someone just looking to ride farther, a busy parent trying to squeeze in a ride during a hectic schedule, a pro athlete using the bike for training, or someone who’s been given a second chance at riding after illness or injury, the Remote 160 is the perfect tool to get you out and rolling around on your favorite trails.

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Based on our award-winning Process platform, the Remote 160 is the ultimate enduro E-bike. Powered by Shimano’s natural-feeling E8000 drive unit, the Remote 160 will get you deeper into the woods, more laps on your favorite trail, and more miles under your belt. Featuring 160mm travel front and rear with a RockShox Lyrik Select fork and Super Deluxe trunnion shock, SRAM Code R brakes with 200mm rotors, and a SRAM GX/NX 12-speed drivetrain, the Remote 160 is a performance-based machine ready for big adventures.

Sherry Staples rides the Kona Remote 160

Sherry Staples rides the Kona Remote 160

Trevor Porter rides the Kona Remote 160

Trevor Porter rides the Kona Remote 160

Trevor Porter rides the Kona Remote 160

Jin Brown rides the Kona Remote 160

Caleb Holonko rides the Kona Remote 160

Caleb Holonko rides the Kona Remote 160

Caleb Holonko rides the Kona Remote 160

Process-inspired geometry makes for a fun, lively ride across all terrain.

160mm of front and rear travel is supplied by a RockShox Lyrik Select fork and Super Deluxe shock.

The available Remote 160 colors vary slightly by region. In North America, it is available in grey, in Europe, both grey and seafoam, and everywhere else in the word in seafoam.

The Remote 160 is powered by the Shimano E8000 motor.

Looking to jump into the world of electric bikes? Visit your local dealer today or check for purchasing options in your area.

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  • 114 38
 I really cannot for the life of me see what the big deal is and why there is so much vitriol towards eBikes? They cause no harm (hell, probably less than acoustic bikes going uphill as they rarely spin out), get more people out riding who would not and allow advanced riders to do things they could not. If you want to ride/own one, great. If not, great. Otherwise who gives AF?
  • 31 4
 Come on. This is America. We love our freedom to regulate and complain about what everyone else does!
  • 4 4
 @shinook: Merica, Bitches!
  • 53 62
flag ATXZJ (Sep 17, 2019 at 6:44) (Below Threshold)
 They're the e-scooters of the MTB world. That's why

Of all the riders featured in that video, one had a medical condition that completely justifies the use of a pedal assisted bike. One. Wasn't that the marketing push for these initially?

For the other riders it comes down to:

Time management

Like everything else that promises to be the "best of both worlds", ebikes will end up being the worst of moto and bicycles combined into one big sh*tty cash driven compromise.

  • 40 10
 @ATXZJ: I dunno. E bikes are super fun!!
  • 15 8
 These same people wouldn’t dare respond with the same vitriol in real life on the trails if they actually met someone with an e bike because I know true mtn bikers embrace all forms of cycling. That, and they’d get arrested for assault lol
  • 18 3
 @ATXZJ: isn’t the justification for mountain bike if fun? Looks fun to me.
  • 8 4
 @ATXZJ: I don't really see a problem with e-scooters and to paraphrase my previous statement, ride them or do not. Who cares?

Moving on, I did not see any mention of eBikes being "best of both worlds". I'd propose that they exist for riders on their own merits for whatever they want to achieve. They certainly have far more in common with a traditional mountain bike versus an MX. Overall, they're fun and no other reason, excuse (nor PB readership's blessing) is needed for their presence.
  • 33 3
 In my local trails, ebikers fly up the single track that most go down on. I have had close calls almost having a head on collision with these oppo ebikers.
  • 27 26
 @hellbelly: I live in austin and there's a big f@cking problem with e-scooters, just like every other city they've invaded. Lazy people taking the easy way out and being irresponsible. America is full of fat people who need the exercise.

Let's not forget how we as humans pretty much destroy everything they touch, and will take the e-thing too far until legislation steps in and pulls the reigns back on trail access unilaterally.

Sure e-bikes look like fun. There's lots of sh*t in pron that looks like fun, but it doesn't mean you should try it. If you live in an area that has open travel designations, why in the hell would you spend $6k on an ebike when you can buy a moto? If you live in an area that doesn't allow motos on the trails, then there's not enough land to go around anyway, and the last thing it needs are a bunch of people on ebikes riding outside their skillset.

$6k on a proprietary design that you can't mod the motor, battery or buy as frame only? Its also guaranteed to lose value faster than last years cell phone, all the while "owners" are still making payments with interest because fun.

Seems legit.
  • 28 7
 @ATXZJ: Just like most options we have, if you don't like e-bikes, don't ride em.

For me, I dig the shit out of the Kona, it's like my 165 w a battery. I have a family, full time job and I ride solo 95% of the time so this option this would give me better time management and allow me to get a full ride in, or allow me to dig longer deeper in the woods.

This is on my short list for sure.
  • 8 4
 @ATXZJ: dude you will never know why unless you try it bro.
  • 6 3
 @senorbanana: unless it’s marked dh only sounds like you should yield ????. Actually that’s the first real legitimate complaint I have seen today.
  • 9 4
 @MAX1MXS: I've bought 9 konas since 2015 and the 165 was on my list for next bike. Glad you're digging yours.

Im also in my mid 40s, have a family, kid in college, work outside for a living and have 10-15 mile commute to the nearest trail. No ebike required.
  • 3 4
 @cuban-b: "True" mountain bikers? Quite the judgement there eh?
  • 15 5
Ya know man, it seems that you have some anger management problems! Wasn‘t it „Live and let live“ in the land of the free?
Instead, you sound like a narrow-minded hater. Think about the wave of hate and rejection geared towards skaters for the longest time. You think it is the right way to go through life rejecting things you do not like (nor, possibly, ever have tried)? What if the time will come when something you like and do will not be liked by anyone? Probably you start whining and bitching that everyone hates you...
  • 8 8
 @Heidesandnorth: I skated from 1984 to 1991 and was thrown in my share of cop cars.

No anger whatsoever. Making that argument is a cowards way out.
  • 8 7
 For the record, I don't think that eMTB's cause harm, or will be clogging up the trails. The reality, at least in the local community where I live, is that hardly anyone rides them, because the general concensus is that they're lame. Unless you're elderly or sick, get your ass in shape. Also, people view this as another lame attempt by the industry to generate sales, with the target audience being people who already have bikes. You don't see any of the "new riders" that are supposedly going to be drawn into the sport in any of these sick edits, do you? This just gets lumped into the category of constantly fiddling with standards and geometry in an attempt to make you think that you need a new bike. Too bad the industry doesn't focus its collective energy on actually bringing new, young riders into the sport as the next generation.
  • 22 13
 @MAX1MXS: This argument drives me up a wall. It is not the mountain bike community that needs to change to meet your needs, YOU need to change to meet mtb community needs. If you don't have the time, strength, time management skills, or willingness to pedal a mountain bike then guess what, this probably isn't the sport for you.

If ebikers are looking for more acceptance, more access, etc., do what everyone else does; form advocacy groups, work with land managers and governments, get out and build trails. Stop using mountain biking like a parasite's host. Moto/ORV users, hikers, equestrians, commuters, and the awesome mtb community have all worked to establish places to recreate/travel and continue to work hard to expand and protect those accomplishments.

A lot of you have already started this and even more people seem to be holding off on riding ebikes until legal and other issues are sorted out. That says a lot about our community!
  • 13 10
 @ATXZJ: whatever Texan. Anyone truly disinterested in ebikes could use that fancy Pinkbike filter. You don’t, you’re here. Hating on something, anything.
  • 3 7
flag MAX1MXS (Sep 17, 2019 at 9:21) (Below Threshold)
 @highfivenwhiteguy: so we all need to meet your standards? seems fair.
  • 3 4
 @b1k35c13nt15t: solid argument
  • 16 16

Lol. I can play that game too.

- If you don't have the time or willingness to work on trails, then you shouldn't be riding a mountain bike, this sport isn't for you

- If you can't be bothered to learn ride a bmx, then you shouldn't be doing dirt jumps, mountain bikes don't belong on dirt jumps.

- If you need the 50 tooth bailout gear on your cassette, mountain biking isn't for you. Real mountain bikers have fitness and don't need granny gears to get up hills. If you don't have time to train, you shouldn't be riding a mountain bike.

Sound stupid? So is your post.
  • 6 2
 @highfivenwhiteguy: yes, just like people who hate e-bikes claim they are true mtn bikers.
  • 10 5
 Isn't the entire point of riding bikes that it's person-powered?
  • 11 4
 @phops: to address your counterpoints:

-Agreed, riders should take part in trail maintenance.

-Wrong, mountain bikes jump very well. BMX bikes are far worse at big jumps.

-this one made me laugh, poking fun at a 50 tooth cog when you’re advocating the use of a motor to pull your butt up a hill?!?!? Give me a break. A big cog is nice when you’re pedaling up a steep 1000 meter climb (you know, under your own power, not using a motor).
  • 7 3
 @phops: Ha ha nice try. Need any tips on how to present a cogent argument?

-You assume I do not build trails... show me your data. Prove your point, put up or shut up!

-Wait what? BMX riders are not the only ones who make dirt jumps... mountain bikers have been doing it for a long time, as have moto riders and many others. Your "point" is nonsensical because it can be shown to be false through simple observation.

-Not all advancement is bad. You can put as big of a cassette on your bike as you want, you still have to provide all the power and deal with the drawbacks.

-Why the insult? How does calling my post "stupid" help your case or do anything besides make you sound like a child? Ha ha is name calling how you typically approach discussions?
  • 2 0
 @shinook: Yes! Land of the free to be governed.
  • 3 10
flag phops (Sep 17, 2019 at 12:53) (Below Threshold)

"Wrong, mountain bikes jump very well. BMX bikes are far worse at big jumps"

Nope, sorry, you are only allowed to ride BMX at dirt jumps. Doesn't matter if mountain bikes are good at jumping. BMX jumps are for BMX bikes only.

"A big cog is nice when you’re pedaling up a steep 1000 meter climb"

Nope again sorry. If you don't have the fitness to not use a 50 tooth, mountain biking is not the sport for you.
  • 8 2

What data? You are literally gatekeeping based on your own opinion. Who gave you the right to decide how people should enjoy mountain biking? Is there a law that says people must be fit to enjoy mountain biking?

Nothing that you said was even remotely productive to the conversation. Your entire post is "Im putting in effort, so everyone else should put in effort as well". This is extremely toxic to the community. Neither you or I have the right to decide how people should enjoy a hobby, ESPECIALLY if they are not harming anyone.
  • 10 1
 @phops: bmx bikes are lame to me. They are, however, a bicycle, not an electric moped like your ebike.

And you can’t dog on a big cog when you’re using a big cog and a f*cking MOTOR to pull your beer gut up a hill. A big cog is still 100% human power, unlike your moped.

But hey, thanks for the laugh.
  • 6 1
 because 30 years of still unsettled access battles...
  • 2 1
 @highfivenwhiteguy: lol. Good luck with that homie
  • 4 1
 @senorbanana: I've been a fan of e-bikes since there inception and will own one in the future. But one of the things that I constantly bring up in other conversations either for or against them is buyers have to be educated on how and where to ride them ie. going up traditional downhill trails. Yes they can do it, but they are playing Russian roulette with other trail users. Here me marketers and journalist!!!
  • 2 3
 @phops: You made the assertion that I do not build trails. I am saying prove it, show me the data you used to come to that conclusion. I am calling you out as being full of sh**.

I disagree with you on this. By your logic moto's and ATV's should be allowed everywhere. How DARE we tell them they can't use our trails! They are not harming anyone right?
  • 3 1
 @knarf1: Agreed, as an ebike owner I want to be mindful and respectful to other bikers and the trails. Even trails that I am allowed to go up but normally don't have uphill traffic I avoid going up them.
  • 4 3
 I think only skiers should be allowed on “ski” resorts. Damn snowboarders messing up my moguls!
  • 2 2
 @highfivenwhiteguy: you chastise him for calling you stupid yet you just called him full of sh1t. LOL. Alright man “e bikes suck”. Happy now? Now go troll mtbr or something.
  • 1 0
 @phops: I dig 10-15 hours a week, earn my turns with 34/46 low gear, and still ride my 20” every week. In my late 30s

I finally feel accepted by my peers.

This is my not having kids success story! Smile
  • 3 2
 @ATXZJ: Clearly another numpty that's never ridden one. "Boooo change". Why go the easy way and compare ebikes to moto's? Clearly incredibly different. I seriously CHALLENGE you to rent one, ride one and get back to us with an honest opinion - my money's on your ego going down a tad and your sh*t eating grin widening! Have a crack first!
  • 1 1
 @Yetimike2019: tried it and (haibike nduro with Bosch) and it feels more like attached shuttle or indoor bike than anything else. That half or quarter turn lag and burst after you stop pedalling is something you will definitely like Smile not me
  • 4 0
 My first question to anyone I come across on an ebike, not 65 years or older, is have you ever tried a real bike?
  • 1 1
 @chriskneeland: the answer is yes. I still ride my “real” bike 80% of the time. Which is about 2-4 rides a week.
  • 3 1
 @PtDiddy: But you fake cycle the other 20%? I don't get it.
  • 2 3
 @chriskneeland: Be sure to pose that inquiry to any pros you meet as three quarters + of them use eBikes to train on.
  • 3 3
 we get it. many people dont like e bikes. anonymous animosity on pinkbike wont shame people into not riding e bikes. the only people ashamed of riding one are the people trying to shame others into not riding one LOL
  • 3 0
 @hellbelly: They train by assisted pedalling? How does that work?
  • 3 3
 @chriskneeland: An experienced rider on an eBike can crank out multiple sections to improve their handling skills in a fraction of the time it would take to do on an acoustic bike. In addition, doing so will give the rider the same aerobic training as doing a high cadence spin class, except waaaaay more fun. One rarely stops pedaling on an eBike. Anyone who says eBikes are for lazy riders has no clue what they are talking about and most likely has not ridden one.
  • 3 0
 @hellbelly: Only, ebikes are tanks that ride like shit and noone would spend a second of time on one to train for an "acoustic" bike. But you know what's really good for aerobic capacity? A non assisted pedal bike.
  • 2 0
 @chriskneeland: You're probably right. What would a world champion DH racer know anyway?
  • 4 3
 @chriskneeland: the solution is simple: Don’t like em, then don’t ride em. Live and let live.
  • 5 0
 @hellbelly: Gets paid by a company to sell ebikes.

@cuban-b: Yeah I don't care. Just calling it what it is. Fake cycling. If you want to fake cycle have at it.
  • 1 2
 @chriskneeland: "@hellbelly: Gets paid by a company to sell ebikes." Hahaha, yeah. Shit, I wish. I have zero financial interests in the fake or real cycling industry.
  • 4 1
 @chriskneeland: I didn't get it until I demoed one. It's just a different type of mountain bike. I like both. If I could only have one I would have a regular bike, but I can have both so I do. And I enjoy both.
  • 2 1
 @senorbanana: Last year was riding down Alpine, the signature trail in Oakridge OR, only people riding up were a couple of middle age riders with their e-mtb...
I tested several e-mtb, when you add several hundred watts to the rear wheel you obviously will do more trail damage, look how long your rear wheel tire last...
And you can ride up stuff that you would not on a regular bike.
  • 49 4
 Theoretical Use: Busy mountain bikers needing to squeeze in a ride. Using them to negate the need for a car, shuttling yourself to the top.

Actual Use: 55 year olds with beer guts driving their eBike to the trailhead in an F150, doing a 5 mile lap at 8mph average.

I swear, I see more eBikes on the back of trucks than I do being pedaled.
  • 4 1
 I could see that scenario also.
  • 4 3
 This is the norm here in tejas.
  • 4 0
 I see far more eMTBs on my daily commute than I have seen on the actual trails. And I have seen a few there.

In both areas the numbers are definitely on the rise.

Personally I'd rather use my own power but if others need/want the extra help, as long as they follow the road rules/trail etiquette, good luck to them.

I see a few scenarios where that makes sense and, as I get further into my 50s, I can see me possibly using one in 10-15 years, as injuries and age take their toll.

The one ebike bike I do always roll my eyes at (internally) though, is the guy who commutes on tarmac on a 24" wheel, electric, fat bike with full fenders, rack, full-face lid, goggles and a full waterproof body suit and boots (in all weather conditions).

But then, I guess he has even more issues than I do....
  • 19 1
 @The-BIG-GT: honestly I don't care what people look like if they're not using a car. Replacing car miles with bike miles (even if it's an eBike) should be applauded in pretty much all scenarios.
  • 6 1
 This is so on point. It's 99% for people who are out of shape. Which is fine, do your thing... If fitness isn't your priority then thats cool but don't expect people who train hard to respect the motor.
  • 2 0
 Sure, because range is limited. All those bluff that with ebike you can explore more is not true, coz the range in mountains is max 40/50km.
  • 40 19
 I'm not sure why, but I keep feeling the need to express what I have against e-bikes. And really, I don't have anything against the idea of the bike itself; I have a problem with them being ridden on public lands that real mountain bikers fought to get access to. I do realize that most of the first trails were illegal and later annexed. However, localized mountain bike associations are incredibly motivated, organized and are doing things right (at least ours is!). It takes an incredible amount of work--physically and bureaucratically--to put a new trail in.

So why shouldn't e-bikes have access to these trails? It's still a bike, right? Nope. Pedaling a mountain bike up a mountain is really hard. That's part of why I/we love it. And more and more people are getting the bug. However, it's just too difficult for most people and bike companies know that. So, they are making it much much easier for anyone to do it so they can sell more bikes/make more money. But what this does is put hordes more people (and their really heavy bikes) on the same amount of trails. We haven't seen the true effect of this because it's new and these bikes are still illegal on most public lands but it's coming. So, what happens to our trails when there's 3 times as many people riding them? What happens when hundreds of e-bike Joeys are getting "more laps" and grabbing fist fulls of brakes going into corners on 50 pound bikes? What happens to our ability to build new trails when the necessary environmental impact study must account for all this?

So, for me, it's about maintaining access and keeping the sport the beautiful thing it's become. Technology is great but when it has the power to change something so drastically, it must be considered very carefully. I don't believe it is.

If you have a disability of some sort, bring your e-bike and I will show you every trail I know.

Kona, you are dead to me.
  • 8 2
 Well said. Its places with fringe mtb populations at risk. Areas like Bellingham and Vancouver B.C. (home to Kona) are not at risk. Difficult for people in areas with a critical mass of mtbers to understand. And no, those areas with smaller mtb populations arent going to gain enough advocates via ebikes.
  • 26 13
 I don’t know why I’m bothering to reply here, probably because ignorance is irritating on any subject, but even more so on the subject of mountain biking, an activity I love. I say ignorance because any time I see this argument from someone who obviously hasn’t tried a pedal assist bike, well that’s coming from a position of ignorance. I ride three times a week, mostly enduro, some more trail, and rarely on my ebike(trying to get super fit this year).

My ebike is 43lbs vs 33lbs for my enduro. My riding buddy is 220 lbs on a 33 lb bike. Weight argument out.

The first point of any bike ebike included is fun as far as I’m concerned. I love seeing riders that wouldn’t stand a chance on certain trails out there smiling. I live in the Bay Area CA. Its plenty crowded on the more public trails. Yes there might be more people riding on the trails, but if we include them and show them how to ride courteously crowding isn’t as much of an issue. Even better the more riders we can get in to the sport the more potential interest and trail access we can fight for. Right now mountain biking is so relatively small that many places don’t have big numbers to fight for trail access.

Finally I will say this, as a ebike owner for a few years now I have taken my bike on a lot of trails. Trail erosion is absolutely not worse than my other lighter bikes. Hell I probably ride my Ripley harder downhill than my ebike. Oh and no one ever bitches when I ebike my chainsaw and my shovels up to the trails in the early seasons.

All I’m saying is if you and others like you don’t want an ebike that’s totally fine, but don’t bash on those of us who like them until YOU TRY THEM. Until then it’s like voting for a president because he’s a white male, only you never looked in to the fact that he’s an alleged child rapist, and a horrible businessman. Not to mention a racist. Seriously, let’s just ride bikes and have fun and do some dig days!
  • 9 8
 @Yetimike2019: I'm not really looking to keep this going but...

I don't feel that I'm ignorant because I haven't tried them (how do you know, anyway?). I know they make it easier to go up and they haul ass down. That's why people are going to buy them.

I'm not really talking about (you) people who have one in their quiver and ride them here and there. I'm talking about the AMOUNT of new people on trails in the FUTURE. Hopefully I'm wrong about this but I think it's worth thinking about.

The voting for trump analogy is not only a poor one but one that is offensive and written only to piss me off (I hate that f*cker). I guess I took the bait...
  • 4 4
 @chamoisstainz: Hey, First let me say that I’m sorry, and in no way am I calling you a trump supporter or anything else bro! That was a stupid analogy. And yes you got the brunt of my frustration, because believe it or not most of your arguments (not all) would possibly disappear if you tried an ebike. In general (because generalizing is always good) I think people that try them don’t come on ebike threads and start claiming they are bad for erosion and for the sport, I do respect your opinion either way even though I disagree fiercely. Sorry for the bad vibes, I’m just sick of getting dirty looks when I happen to ride my ebike, especially after a rainy week of digging and trail maintenance. Something I know a lot of people on these discussions don’t do.
  • 8 8
 @Yetimike2019: riding an ebike to “get super fit this year”.... haha that’s a good one...

And the weight argument is still relevant... most ebikers I see are overweight when compared to a real mountain biker.
  • 10 12
 "real mountain bikers fought to get access to"

"Pedaling a mountain bike up a mountain is really hard. That's part of why I/we love it"

"But what this does is put hordes more people (and their really heavy bikes) on the same amount of trails"

"when there's 3 times as many people riding them"

" e-bike Joeys are getting "more laps" and grabbing fist fulls of brakes going into corners on 50 pound bikes"

"when the necessary environmental impact study must account for all this?"

I basically highlighted all the baseless opinionated statements in your post. Not a single one you can back up with anything based in reality. Most public trails were not fought, they were established just like any other public recreational space, people ride mountain bikes for various reasons, and there isn't any real data that ebikes are going to crowd trails and suddenly make people go fast and crash into corners. Also, IMBA did a study on ebike and trail destruction, and they found that its no different from regular bikes.

Not to mention that you conveniently can apply the same exact argument to enduro bikes. "What happens when all the Joeys buy long and slack enduro bikes with 29 wheels and go fast on the downhill because the bikes carry more speed and then they skid corners and crash into others because they are inexperienced?"
  • 2 0
 @TypicalCanadian: BaN fAt BiKeRs!!
  • 8 4
 @Yetimike2019: Eh, I see what you are saying but I disagree.

-Weight is still a valid argument because an ebike versus mountain bike for the same rider is heavier. Comparing two different riders on two different bikes is comparing apples to oranges.

-Correct, and ebikes capitalize on the human desire to maximize pleasure (fun) while reducing pain (effort). Drugs are the perfect example of this, you get lots of pleasure with basically zero effort. That is why they are so prevalent. As mentioned above bike manufacturers know this about consumers and are pushing ebikes without regard to consequences. Purdue Pharma did the same thing with astounding results.

-The "increased advocacy" line is old and not true. Let's say 10% of mountain bikers are active in advocacy and trail building to support the entire riding population. Now bring in more riders in the form of ebikers, what makes you think a greater proportion of them will volunteer and support advocacy than regular riders? Assuming they are the same you still have the same proportion of riders supporting the whole, nothing is improved. 10% are still supporting everyone else.

-Clearly your personal experience is a proxy for everyone out there on all trails and completely debunks the myth that a higher number of heavier bikes traveling at increased speeds on the same trails will increase wear.

-Don't bash it until you try it... sigh. Such a worn out cliche. I haven't tried meth, killing someone, stealing a car, poaching a national park trail, or punching an obnoxious kid's parents in the face in a restaurant, but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to speak out against them. We know ebikes are fun, that doesn't change the fact that we don't like them. Just because something feels good doesn't mean it is a good thing.

This is a rant....
Whatever happened to the spirit of human achievement from hard work? Why do we need to be so reliant on technology making things easier in order to have fun? Are there really that many people out there who operate on the simple principle of accepting whatever comes their way if it makes their life easier and feels good? I guess it is a cultural thing. People now climb Everest for the achievement but pay Sherpas to do all the work. They want the prestige without the work. Any of you use smart speakers? Why would you put a listening device in your home that whatever entity associated with it uses to collect data on you and use and/or sell it? So ordering that thing you don't need is even easier? Once-click shopping too hard? BE MORE THAN A CONSUMER WHORE, strive to be an evolved human who operates on principles and goals greater than pleasure/pain.

Whew, that feels better. Yetimike, if I'm ever in the bay area or you are in Western WA let's ride, build and enjoy some cold ones.
  • 9 3

"Whatever happened to the spirit of human achievement from hard work? Why do we need to be so reliant on technology making things easier in order to have fun? "

This x100. Ride your ebike, do whatever you want it's a free country but don't expect riders to respect your motor assist. It feels so good to work hard to climb to hard to reach trails and feel the rewards of training hard. There's always going to be people who take shortcuts to reap the same rewards...its just a sad fact of life.
  • 8 7
 @IsaacO: damn those people that have electric starts on their cars with power steering and power windows. If you want to have AC in a car you had better work for it and roll down the window with your own arm strength. Start the car with the crank start. better yet. lets all be luddites and ban cars altogether. (wait, that last one actually sounds good)
It's a dumb argument. just because gears make it easier to climb, doesn't mean we should only ride single speed to enjoy the "true" experience. Biking is not a Religion.
  • 8 5
 @highfivenwhiteguy: You make a number of disingenuous arguments, so I'll just do little rant of my own here:
If you're not pushing a 29", 27.5", or god forbid a 26" gear, you've been utilizing mechanical assist, which just makes you a luddite re powered assist, you're not a purist, you're an idiot. Get off your soapbox and realize that some people want to crank out 15K' days without being an olympian or spending hours in shuttle trucks, or maybe you've got two hours to ride and don't want to settle for a short crappy loop so you crank out 3k' in 30-45 min.
I've ridden/raced everything from rigid single speeds to DH rigs and happily can afford to buy whatever the f*ck I want, and I do, I got a nice stable. But for you to assume that you have some purity of spirit that enables you to make judgment calls re others, their thoughts & actions.....gtfo with that weak ass shit, it's not exactly "evolved". I ride all over western WA and have been for the last 15 years. Ebikes are fantastic for builders and riders and they're here to stay, and just in case you didn't know the law, class 1 pedal assist bikes(commonly misgendered as Ebikes) are legally treated as bicycles in WA state. look up the rcw sometime.
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 @Spencermon: why should we work hard for anything at all then if everything motorized and automated is better? why feed yourself? why walk anywhere? why ride at all when you can zwift and peleton? Or just hop in VR headset and program in your perfect lifestyle?

There's a difference between technological improvements that make things possible that were never possible literally can't ride plenty of trails on a single speed MTB, the invention of gears makes those climbs possible. Which is why Ebikes are great for handicap makes something possible that otherwise isn't. That being said, any and all trails accessible by Bike are plenty accessible by man power as well. So for most it is purely a luxury and a shortcut. Not the same thing.
  • 4 1
 @IsaacO: "Luxury and a shortcut", perfect way to describe the difference.
  • 4 1
 @Yetimike2019: Perhaps the riders that don’t stand a chance on certain trails shouldn’t be there until they’ve acquired the fitness and skill to be there? Thank god the ski and snowboard industry hasn’t figured out a way to make cheat-boards so that “everyone” can ride the double blacks and off-piste trails. Some things should be earned, you’re not “entitled” to everything without putting in the work.
  • 3 1
 @TypicalCanadian: I said: not riding an ebike in order to get fit. And no the weight argument is not relevant unless you also want to ban fast people. Me plus my 43lb ebike 213 lbs. my buddy who is lean but big on a normal bike 253lbs.
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 @Yetimike2019: my bad for misreading that..

However on the weight thing, most ebike riders I see look like they’re 240 with a 50 pound bike. Ouch.
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 @graniteandrew: Mechanical advantage is different from adding power to a system, dumbass. I stopped reading there because you stated something with confidence that is objectively wrong. I mean the difference between changing gearing and adding a motor is so fundamental that if you don't understand that we can't continue this conversation on the same level.
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 @highfivenwhiteguy: lol first, I completely disagree about weight, unless you want to ban fat or big people from riding. Second since “adults” are looking at buying ebike I can actually name a few who are city council members that used to ride in their 20s and now want to ride again, so I’m obviously hoping more people= more trail support.
And finally I just did a four hour ride with a bunch of laps in Santa Cruz saw some ebikes barely passing my ass on my final lap, so obviously I respect climbing enough that I do it most of the time, but I would NEVER want to get in shape to do Everest. There are alpine rides that take a full day on in Tahoe that I don’t even want to train for, but guess what, ebikes are here and legal on certain trails so, yay! I don’t have to be Superman to make it to some truly amazing spots. I’m a dad with a two year old and another one on the way. I have fractured my spine twice and even though I’m only 32 there are days where I don’t feel like fighting up trails that I’m still super happy to ride my ebike, and I definitely don’t need to take shot from fellow mountain bikers just because I have a battery that realistically makes me about as fast as spandex jockeys on endurance bikes climbing up single track. Bikers should be able to express opinions, and concerns, but I am almost guaranteeing if you try one you would say something like “shit yetimike was f*cking right” lol. Wishful thinking as it may be.
Comparing an electric pedal assist bike to meth is worse than my ignorant trump analogy. For the record weed is legal here also but I’m not telling everyone to try weed. Maybe some of the people on these ebike threads that just come to bash ebikes should try some weed though.

I’m not pretending that ebikes are only good for the sport and have no negative aspects to them, but as a former ebike hater(for real) I can tell you around my trails I’m seeing ebikes all the time, and for years now. I see a lot of stoked people out on these trails and I’m not having to dig any more or less than the trails that don’t allow ebikes.

And he’ll yeah I’ll show you some super sick trails man! Been trying to ride in WA for a long time, usually drive right past to BC, but JKW is my hero and the trails look really cool. Ride on brother!
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 @TypicalCanadian: lol ban fat bikers.
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 @highfivenwhiteguy: I have no idea why it posted my reply ten times, but it was not intentional.
  • 2 0
 @SlodownU: no need for cheat boards when you've got lifts! Which bikers also use in the summer, along with shuttle laps, which allow you to access whatever trail you want.

I don't own an ebike but in certain locations I imagine it'd be a great asset, mostly shuttle trails.

Also where I live there's plenty of difficult trails that require no more effort to get to than the easy ones.
  • 2 3
 Not really, as a simple matter of power transfer your gears are enabling you to perform feats you’d never manage with a singlespeed. Your just a Luddite. @highfivenwhiteguy:
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 @Yetimike2019: Excellent points, and thank you for some context. The example with drugs was more to point out how powerful things that provide a lot of reward (feeling good) for little effort can be. Knowing that biologically we humans are strongly attracted to those things I feel we should be wary of them. On the subject of weed I 100% agree, legal here too!

That Trump analogy was welcome and certainly not ignorant, he is a real piece of crap and deserves any shots made against him. We have real problems that need to be dealt with and between the pumpkin and Foghorn Leghorn this country is going nowhere but backwards.

I am not 100% against ebikes but I just don't accept many of the arguments being made for them. I agree they are coming one way or the other so my hope is that maybe if everyone (including me) is dealing with reality then ebike riders can enjoy their rides without negative consequences to existing users. Theoretically we should be able to play nice together and all get what we want, but we should be careful. Special interest groups using ebikes as a tool to open up motorized access and development on state and national lands is a major concern.

I'll take you up on that offer, never ridden outside of WA and BC so riding something new in Cali sounds awesome!
  • 2 1
 @graniteandrew: Seriously, look up mechanical advantage, then think about how it is different from adding energy to a mechanical system.

*You're, as in "You're a dumbass"
  • 1 1
 Ok grammar nazi. Do you even understand gearing? Power transfer? Do you think by pedaling your pie plate up a climb that you’re not using less energy for more output? Ffs how dumb can you be? You’re prob the kind of moron that attends a evergreen work party every other month for a shuttle, and think of yourself as a builder. Go bag on ebikes somewhere else. Then get ready to eat a lot of crow in a few years. @highfivenwhiteguy:
  • 2 0
 @graniteandrew: Here, I found a perfect video for you. It's from Khan Academy so it is nice and simple. You can pedal a pie plate all you want but in order to climb to the same height you have to rotate the cranks more. Energy cannot be created or destroyed, so in a closed system (negating friction) the energy used to perform work is sourced entirely from the rider. When you add a motor and battery now there is a second source adding energy to the system, the bike and rider are no longer a closed system. This isn't opinion, this is objectively common physics and can be independently measured and verified. Matter of fact it is so well established it is a LAW, the Law of Conservation of Energy.

Why is being correct a bad thing? Classic move by lesser individuals, instead of improving yourself and becoming educated on a subject you attempt to tear down the person who is right. Grammar and physics are not open to debate, they can objectively be right or wrong. You are wrong.

You are making some bold claims. Just like with the other guy I am calling you out as being full of sh**, a liar who speaks without thought. Back up your claims with evidence that I am as you describe, an infrequent builder who signs up for work parties just to get shuttle days.
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 I never claimed it was adding energy, that’s your own dumb idea, the point is you gain from gearing. It makes the same pitch easier, you also use less energy spinning a bigger gear, so to try and claim that it’s the same power output, is beyond dumb, how about you try spinning a singlespeed sometime. Ohh that’s right, your little qualifier of friction gets in the way. Gtfo Luddite.
Grammar just like physics is entirely up to debate, which shows how dumb you are, it’s constantly evolving and adjusting to new inputs. If you had any intelligence you’d notice I qualified my insult with prob(short for probably) maybe you should look that up. But I think that qualifier could be safely removed now. Here’s one, you are clearly a small minded moronic individual who doesn’t understand gearing. @highfivenwhiteguy:
  • 2 0
 @graniteandrew: dude settle down
  • 14 2
 Kona saved us the time from watching the video by listing out the ebike memes:

1) Busy dads (this one is always hilarious to me, as a busy dad)
2) Old/injured people
3) It' just like more fun duuuuuuuuude
4) Pro athletes + training (from a marketing perspective it's mission critical that consumers see and think pros use the product they are buying so they can feel cool too).

Why can't they just focus on the fact they cut down the climbs or let you bang many more laps?
  • 12 1
 Do you folks see e-bikes in the wild much? I ride almost 7 days a week and see about one e-bike every month or so. Who is buying all these new bikes coming out? I see Julien Absalon riding one on Redbull TV every XCO race, however I bet he didn't buy it.
  • 8 3
 In my neck of the woods.....A few folks with industry connections riding them (didnt pay for them). And a few older less fit, folks getting them (possibly with a moto background, or "I used to mtb"). Also pretty popular with hunters. Its the fit folks with industry connections trying to push them, that is irritating, cause you know there is no frigg'n way they would be buying one. When I see the industry folks on them, I cant help but think of them trying to promote those Segway scooter things.
  • 7 3
 most ebikes i see are ridden by 40-70 year olds commuting around the city, which is the perfect application for ebikes in my opinion.
  • 6 1
 @yupstate I see a ton of E-bikes on the weekends here in Southern CA. Its usually 40-60 year old's that are trying to maximize the time they have to ride.

I think the biggest issue with E-Bikes is the Climbing up DH trails. I could care less about the rest TBH. I ride for the fitness aspect and its a great stress relief. Its also fun.

For me if a 30lb E-bike Existed I might be tempted. I really don't want to take a 50lb hog downhill.
  • 3 3
 So far the only ebikes I have seen are ridden by trail poachers who claim ignorance and by a few local trail builders. Using an ebike to haul tools and stuff is actually something I see as a good thing, we don't have enough builders so maybe some perks will draw in new blood!
  • 3 0
 Saw one person last year, and he was an industry type pimping his ride. All the hunters I see are on 4-wheelers riding the fire roads, because I frankly, don't see how an e-MTB is going to help you drag a 220lb buck and all of your gear out of the woods after you shoot it. That would be comedy to watch though. So to me, the hunting angle is bullshit. The people in my riding community want to get in shape, progress on their own. That's why they started riding in the first place, a great way to get/stay in shape and have a shit-ton of fun at the same time with your friends.
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 @SlodownU: i have no reason or desire to own an ebike besides hunting. That angle is not bullshit. Getting into my property quickly, quietly, and without sweating is a huge benefit. A 4 wheeler is loud and generates a ton of odor. I own one and would never even consider using it for accessing a tree stand.

Also, nobody in their right mind would try to drag a deer with an ebike. That's a ridiculous strawman argument. I'd use my legs and back for dragging deer like I always have and go retrieve said ebike later.

Hate ebikes on MTB trails all you want. I'm fairly sympathetic to those concerns, but you're talking completely out of your ass in regards to their hunting application.

Here's a laugh. The only ebike I've seen in the wild was at my local lift access bike park. Figure that shit out.
  • 3 1
 @Session603: You're a minority with your own property to hunt, and millions of people get to their stands, that are miles away from any road, on 4-wheelers, given you're also usually heading out there hours before you intend to hunt. So, this notion that the 4-wheelers scare deer (that are already accustomed to human noises) away is complete BS. I've been hunting for over 25yrs, have gone on hunts in different states, and can't remember a single time where the motor vehicle we used to get to our stands or blinds had a negative effect on harvesting an animal. So, for someone who drives their e-MTB miles into the woods, how exactly are they supposed to drag a dead deer out without mangling it?
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 @SlodownU: What does being a minority have to do with it? I told you that I have an application for the product as a hunter. If you prefer a 4 wheeler for your situation then use one.

"So, this notion that the 4-wheelers scare deer (that are already accustomed to human noises) away is complete BS."

Hilariously ignorant, but you're entitled to hunt how you see fit as long as it's legal.

"can't remember a single time where the motor vehicle we used to get to our stands or blinds had a negative effect on harvesting an animal."

I'm happy for your success. However, this is irrelevant to how I choose to hunt and contrary to the best available data and advice of the majority of professional whitetail deer hunters.

"So, for someone who drives their e-MTB miles into the woods, how exactly are they supposed to drag a dead deer out without mangling it?"

I didn't say ebikes are applicable to every hunt for every person. You're the only one making an argument based on absolutes. It's making you look foolish, but I am entertained.

So ultimately what is your goal? A local, state, or federal ban on the manufacturing of ebikes? Or just endless bitching and "I don't like them so you shouldn't have them" arguments on the internet?
  • 1 1
 @Session603: About the entire hunting population of the US, and the entire industry centered around making 4-Wheelers, accessories, etc. for hunters is my evidence as far as the hunting goes, never mind a pretty serious trophy wall in my basement, but hey, my success must be a fluke. As far as the eMTB goes, well, the lazy will always find an excuse.
  • 1 0
 @SlodownU: In case you hadn't noticed in your "25 years" of hunting that the hunting "industry" is pushing ebikes and ebike accessories for hunters too. Using the criteria you outlined above clearly you're ready to accept ebikes as a useful tool in certain hunting applications.

I'm having a lot of fun watching you choke your own inability to form a half coherant argument. Keep it coming. Trying answering the last question that I asked you in my previous post. See below...

So ultimately what is your goal? A local, state, or federal ban on the manufacturing of ebikes? Or just endless bitching and "I don't like them so you shouldn't have them" arguments on the internet?

This should be hilarious.
  • 10 3
 You forgot the group that is the source of the vitriol. Lazy queue-jumpers who are bypassing the effort and buying fitness.

And if you say it lets an experienced rider ride twice as far in the same time, explain how going twice as fast on public trails is a good thing for anybody.

E-bikes do not make biking better (like suspension, disc brakes, droppers) they make it easier. And unfortunately, easy sells like hotcakes these days.

E-bikes are going to change the fundamental aspects of this sport for the worse, without question. When motor hop-up kits start coming with throttles attached, our precious sport will truly begin to swirl the drain...
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 I know a man ain't supposed to cry But these tears I can't hold inside Losin' you would end my life you see 'Cause you mean that much to me You could have told me yourself That you loved someone else Instead I heard it through the grapevine Not much longer would you be mine. We used to be friends Kona
  • 5 0
 My only e-beef really is that they ride trails where they are not allowed. Local trail and advocacy groups have worked hard and raised money for years to build incredible trails for mountain bikers. Funding sources for these groups are also dependent on trails being non-motorized only. You now have the US National Parks to legally ride and also ..nothing is stopping e-bikers from building their own advocacy and trail networks.
  • 10 2
 The ebike filter is not working properly
  • 15 9
 E-bikes infuriate me. How did MOTORIZED vehicles end up on our trail systems? These things are such a step in the wrong direction. Just my opinion.
  • 5 11
flag phops (Sep 17, 2019 at 9:39) (Below Threshold)
 What is so bad about having a motor?
  • 4 0
 Fundamentally, I think E-Bikes have their place. They are good for commuters as they make it easier to pace traffic and they are good for mountain bikers who may need help riding due to fitness or physical disability. However, the asterisk there is...when they come from a reputable bike manufacturer who...hopefully...has trail advocacy in mind being that they also sell non E-Bikes. I think what people need to worry about is when some non-regulated/ governed E Bikes with throttles start showing up at the trails. They exist, are not made by reputable manufacturers, and they do not care at all about trail advocacy. These are the E Bikes that are going to ruin it for everyone. These are also the E Bikes purchased by people who are too scared of actual motorcycles and probably have no business being on shared use trails to begin with.

I know a few people with throttle E-Bikes. They are purchased by people without much coordination, who think the bikes are cool, and eventually will end up getting worked going 40 mph somewhere they shouldn't be.
  • 9 1
 But tested and filmed on loamers in Squamish so it must be cool!
  • 4 0
 Long time reader, first time writer.
I do two things when I’m out on the trail on an ebike day; I don’t climb the down tracks, and I don’t park people on the climbs. When I behave that way, I meet no resistance. I have been sneered at, for sure, but I’m used to it from 80’s snowboarding and freeride MTB in the 90’s.
I do find it a bit ironic that blowing up corners in the brakeless “schralp” style is all the rage... essentially, trail smashing in that way is really encouraged. The same rider thinking that kind of thing is amazing might also point to ebikes as being destructive because of the motor.
For me, I do it because it’s really fun, but feel like I need to do my best to be a good trail user. I mention climbing as an example, but I tend to take it one step further and pull off to the side whether I’m climbing OR descending.
  • 6 3
 I will challenge anyone on a new E-bike (current 2020 technology, cant speak for the future) to a race! I choose the course vertical and distance, minimum 5,000 vert and 25 miles. You get a single battery and a water bottle. I get a single Clif bar and a water bottle.
  • 4 2
 Accepted, I’ll be waiting for you at the end with cold beers! Now if you make it 7500 feet and 35 miles you might be waiting for me Wink
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 @rednova: lets do it! Where do you live?
  • 12 9
 "Whether you’re someone just looking to ride farther, a busy parent trying to squeeze in a ride during a hectic schedule, a pro athlete using the bike for training, or someone who’s been given a second chance at riding after illness or injury"

The marketing for this is BS

"Whether you’re someone just looking to ride farther" - well if distance is your goal why not just ride a dirtbike or an electric dirtbike - that's silly riding an e-bike further isn't succeeding at being able to ride further its just not - its like saying hey I can only run 5k but I should do a marathon and get a ride most of the way - its lame - running 5k is fine if that's the level you are comfortable with

"a busy parent trying to squeeze in a ride during a hectic schedule" - an e-bike doesn't make more time - that is just illogical - if you have 45min ride hard for 45 min - riding an e-bike isnt going to improve your workout

There may be times when a pro athlete is going to benefit from more handling practice even on a bike that is a turd-whale compared to how the bike they compete on handles - I am not a pro so I don't know

The idea of an e-bike helping those who have had illness or injury - I guess there are probably cases where this is true especially for competitive athletes, but its mostly BS. What situation would it not be better just to start slow and work up to whatever you are capable of on an actual human powered bike, if your interest is bike riding. I am 50 I don't expect to ride like I am 20 but I still enjoy riding.

I guess I just don't like the idea that e-bikes are going to change the dynamic of access to trails. Its pretty clear that for commuting a large part of the market that rides ebikes really just wants a non-human powered bike that doesn't have to be registered like a motorcycle. This is evidenced by the proliferation of e-bikes with non-pedaling throttles I see on the streets. If you don't want to pedal, don't but mountain bikes have spent 35 years getting access to trails as a human powered activity and it is not great to see this threatened. I find it sad that almost all the bigger bike manufacturers are so short-sighted about this. If the image of mountain biking changes to dirt roosting e-bikes the access is going to change. The image has already shifted about looking after trails in the mtn bike media. It used to be the case that there was a lot of emphasis on stuff like "ride don't slide" and such but now every video has dirt being roosted by sliding in corners (its also the case that every video has riders spending half the ride in the air and most of us are lucky to get a little air occasionally - so perhaps not all trails are being constantly skidded down to the point of eroded fall line stream beds)
I like riding trails - we don't need e-bikes on trails - please stop marketing them as mountain bikes (i know it won't happen - its capitalism )
  • 6 9
 Imagine a person riding an ebike recreationally on a trail, and then imagine a mountain biker on a regular bike seeing that person and seething about how that person is completely illogical in their choice to ride an ebike.

Who do you think looks more dumb? Who do you think is having more fun?
  • 5 3
 @phops: I'd have to say zooming up hills with minimal effort passing bikers who put in a solid effort looks pretty dumb.

As far as who is having more fun, it's hard to say. Maybe people find fun in earning their descents and beating their personal climbing goals. Believing "ebikes are more fun" sounds like buying into marketing hype. I can have just as much fun without a motor.
  • 10 2
 ""a busy parent trying to squeeze in a ride during a hectic schedule" - an e-bike doesn't make more time - that is just illogical - if you have 45min ride hard for 45 min - riding an e-bike isnt going to improve your workout"

Nope, an eBike won't make more time, but I can ride for two hours on a normal bike and barely squeeze out two laps of my local loop. I can bang off five laps of the same loop in the same time. I'll take more mileage in the same time in my ride any day. Sorry, not sorry.

"I'd have to say zooming up hills with minimal effort passing bikers who put in a solid effort looks pretty dumb."

Being offended by what other people choose to find fun in sounds pretty dumb as well.
  • 8 2
 @ipedalhard @acrowe

Wait a minute here - this is Pinkbike, where we follow DH racing and Rampage and gravity riding where people take lifts, trucks, ATVs, novelty mini cars, helicopters, trains and gondolas to the top of mountains.

But somehow using a pedal booster to ride trails like it's a park where you can just bang out lap after lap is the end of the world?

If you have more fun pedaling in the woods without a motor...good for you! Me too - I use an ebike only to get around town...But I know people who ride electric during on weekday evenings (to get 2 laps in 1h) and ride a real mountainbike for a 4h ride on the weekend. Do they "look dumb"? Who cares! Enjoy your own ride!
  • 7 1

Let me rephrase it: the person on the ebike is casually enjoying his time outside, getting his legs moving after sitting in an office all day, and is overall happy.

While the mountainbiker is riding the trails, upset that an ebiker is casually zooming up hills, thinking that that ebiker is making all the wrong choices

Who do you think is better off here?

If its still not clear, Im trying to show you that being this upset about what other people are riding is a pretty dumb thing to do.
  • 3 0
 Really, it is not the bike. It is the rider of the bike. Some downhill bombers skid the trails to shit on regular bikes. It is not the bike again, it is the rider. No, I don't own an e-bike and yes, I do my fair share of volunteering on trail days. From what I do notice of the "jerk" riders on e-bikes, they have no courtesy when climbing and just sneak up and bomb through when there are others riding/hiking up the trail. Those guys are in their 50s'. The "jerk" riders on the downs are younger riders in their mid - late 20s' or industry reps. Generally though, the riders of e-bikes are good and trail respecting guys. It is just he odd jerk.

The Kona looks like the best e-bike around and one day when I get to the stage of riding an e-bike (mainly because I hate climbing for hours), this is the exact bike that I'd like to ride.
  • 6 1
 Great to see Jim Brown shredding and thriving. He's a true mountain bike (and cyclocross) legend and has helped countless young riders. #HoldFast
  • 7 2
 I don't have anything against ebikes but... proceeds to explain in great detail exactly what he has against ebikes>
  • 7 3
 “....that rides just like a Process” (with gold bullion strapped to the downtube)
  • 7 2
 eBikes: What's your excuse?
  • 6 2
 If e-bikes are so good, why do people get so butthurt about comments about them?
  • 6 1
 because people can't let others do as they wish. we must all conform or be shamed.
  • 3 2
 I am a selfish bastard!! There I got that out of the way Now here is my reason for not being a fan of motorized bikes on the trail. One of the big draws of mt. biking for me is being out in the woods and getting away from people. Working in the school system I am lucky enough to be able to spend my summers up in BC. I spend quite a bit of time in Whistler but I stay away from the bike park. It is just not my scene. What I have seen on my local trails, as more and more e-bikes are showing up is that it is starting to feel like a bike park. This new crowd is not made up of individuals with disabilities who could use a little help to enjoy nature. This new crowd is younger than I am and they are there to smash as many laps as possible.
  • 2 0
 So you've got yours, now everyone else can eff off hey? Hate to tell you - the outdoors ain't yours.
  • 1 0
 The second guy can ride for sure, but it never fails to amaze me the difference between the pros and the rest of us. It's the shapes they make and the fluidity of their movements, I love ebikes and this video shows people ripping them, which is awesome!
  • 1 0
 I would have loved to have this bike in Italy! This has probably been mentioned before but in the Denver area, we are seeing an increase in novice riders attempting very technical trails on e-bikes. This is really the only issue as these people are stopping on the trail because they don't have the skill to ride through or they are going really, really slow on the down hill.
  • 1 0
 Love the bike!!! Will probably be my 1st Kona, looks fantastic.. Great geo.
only problem with all these ebikes is that they are too powerful and heavy because of it.. Currently I have a Focus Jan2 with a 378 watt battery and I can go 25-30miles in eco mode which is way more than enough and even in eco the power/assistance is Beyond enough... Smaller batteries like 300-400 watt should be the Max limit as technology will advance and smaller, lighter more powerful units will come shortly......That would keep frame size and weight down making for much more pleasurable appearance and a lighter more fun ride..... But this bike will most likely be my next purchase ????????
  • 5 3
 What sets the process apart from all other enduro rigs is the still short chainstays. This has 15mm longer chainstays and so wont feel like a process sadly.
  • 4 1
 I think it is still on the short side for an ebike.
  • 1 0
Why should it be any different for an ebike?

When I demoed the altitiude with 425mm chainstays, climbing very steep sections we easy by just moving weight forward.
  • 1 0
 @Richt2000: I am not saying it should be different. I would like them shorter too. From what I can tell from my Levo is the motor housing stops it from being shorter. I think it's just a limitation of the ebike. I could be wrong though. There could be an ebike with a short chainstay.
  • 1 0
 This isn't a process though....
  • 12 12
 Haters will hate......especially those who cant afford one.
Snow skiers used to call other skiers pussies when chairlifts were first invented. Surfers thought Stevie Lis's fish and Simon Anderson's Thruster were the scurge of surfing. Both of these changed the sports forever and made progression a daily thing.
So now bike companies have come out with an E-Bike that rips, all you spandex wearing, "gotta earn it" , "its all about the climb". training, dieting , so called "core" mountain bikers are hating on a bike that brings smiles to some? Get over it! I eat burritos, drink mass beer, partake in the finest herbs, absolutely hate the climb and I don't give a shit what other people ride. Its funny, with all the hate you see on the interweb,none of you spandex climbers ever speak up on the trail.
So babble on with your hate, I own trail, downhill and yes an e-bike.......and they all rip, just depends on where you are riding.
If you see me on my E-Bike, pull me over , voice your opinion, we will burn one down, then you can ride my "motorized bike" up to the top and let the 50lbs pull you back down the trail......if your not smiling after trying it.....go back to road/gravel bikes because that is probably where you belong...not shredding the trails with those of us who appreciate everyone's own definition of Sending it!

As far as this BS with E Bikes "ruining trails"......dudes your herbs must be way better than Cali's herb, basically one of the most uneducated comments ever.

Keep Sending, if someones hating on you and or your ride....the obviously got their own issues (like a wife who wont let them spend 5-10K on an E-Bike)

If Kona is reading this.....keep it up! You guys got the best E-Bike Geo out there!
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 Word! And ya that kona has tge numbers. Good spec too
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 fkn ey brother!
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 E-Bikes are a freakin blast! Personally I would not buy one just to go trail riding on, BUT for using one to "shuttle" up a mountain to rip the down? Hell yes!
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 Acoustic: "Relating to sound or the sense of hearing"....associating mtbs with the word acoustic brings too many thoughts of them ruining a house party at 3am by playing wonderwall...
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 These Ebike threads are so fun to read. Everyone has an opinion. None are right or wrong. With time all the misconceptions with fade. Laws are already being passed, to define them and be able to ride them with other mountain bikes. Because lets be real here. Its a Mountain Bike. Not a motorcycle. I for one love them. I also think this is the most innovation to happen in the mountain bike industry in a while.
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 I think some people don't like e-bikes because they are athletes at some level. If you were a runner and people started wearing electric bionic underwear to run for them, it would be kind of lame for the sport.

For those who say it doesn't matter what other people do, the video itself said that people could quintuple their use of trails and ride up trails fast that likely were built for climbing.

I think e-bikes are great for replacing cars on the road - especially for those who would not otherwise ride, and for those who have health issues who could not otherwise mountain bike (stage 4 lung cancer as one of the riders in the video stated is a good example).
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 E ciggies then e bikes and soon e wives ,man I’m set bring it on.
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 The market segment who most wants one of these things is at least one of the following:
- out of shape
- has >$6000 to spend on something they may or may not use
- receives gifts from parents or boyfriend
- lacks the mental fortitude to make it through a tough climb
- has injuries preventing them from unassisted biking

Not too many people from of those categories are on pinkbike, just sayin.
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 i have an ebike in addition to my regular bike. bought it to get more laps in. its great for that but nothing feels like grinding a climb on the regular bike or even descending on a short travel trail bike.
regular bikes are much more nimble and responsible by a mile. ebikes i rode feel like freight trains (and the one i own, merida eonesixty), they hold the line great, gives you loads of confidence but if you are the type of rider who enjoys nimble trail bikes and like to pop and jump of stuff look elsewhere, maybe in few years when they manage to drop the weight.
in addition to that i completely agree with you regarding the first 2 points. there are maybe 5% fit good riders who ride emtbs and can push them hard (and trust me, you can push emtbs really hard, feeling completely drained after 4 hours of tech riding), however, most of the emtb riders i meet on group rides are the kind of guys who have to stop for a break when climbing with the ebike or bought it to ride with their regular below average fitness group. not many really good inspiring riders unfortunately.
i still ride my regular trail bike 80% of the time
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 @Ian713 get familiar on your content filter settings in your pinkbike profile
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The Rocky mountain Altitude and Canyon Spectral ride pretty much like normal bikes.

Give them a go before you write it off.

I ride my emtb on rest days, meaning I ride 5-6 times a week instead of 3-4!
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 But think of all the new trail “users” and “advocates” these will be creating!
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 @HenkkaK: That's very helpful, actually. Thank you Smile
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 @grim007: you must be the guy w/ $6000 grand to spend on something he may or may not use
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 @SlodownU: i appreciate your sarcasmWink
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 Take it easy guys, he is from Alberta.
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 @Richt2000: Hmm, that interesting to know.
Well I may change my tune after all.
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 ebikes are pointless. I am saving up for a exoskeletal suit. That way I will have assistance with pedaling and steering.
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 This bike is on my wish list. Looks an absolute cracker and hopefully they available in Oz
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 How many is quantouple??
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 it's, like, a LOT
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 Battery should have been inside the frame or the same color as the frame....not a standout graphic piece????
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 Just like Joey eating Rachel's trifle, I like it!
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 Kona just got scratched off the list.
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 I've seen only the third one
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 In the words of Letterkenny "Hard No"
Unless you have a disability.
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 Fuck Kona!
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 oh no it´s a e-bike!! opened up by mistake!! this never happened
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