Scottish rider Scotty Laughland takes you on a tour to discover the course of the Cross-country Olympic (XCO) race that will take place in the beautiful Glentress forest, as part of the 2023 UCI Cycling World Championships in Glasgow and across Scotland, from 3rd to 13th August 2023.— UCI
Mandatory features! 15 years ago there were probably only a handful a XC riders that could / would hit that stuff, now the whole field must....impressive, the sport has come a long way!
The last time the WCs were in the UK (in Dalby Forest), it revived technical sections in XC tracks. Looks like they are trying to follow suit, although these look a lot more predictable in terms of grip than Dalby. He mentioned a b-line for that gap, so it'll be fine.
In this video, lots of sections are perfectly sculpted and smoothed to make it look nice and flowy. I can imagine if it gets wet annd ridden by tons of riders, it will be a very different beast. Especially those artificial jumps and landings with those logs underneath. I don't know what they're expecting but it seems to me that a lot of material will flush through and people will indeed be riding those logs. Either that, or they're going to put in a lot of maintenance leading up to that race and the real challenge riding that track will start after the event.
@vinay: are you watching the same video as us? You see the colour of the ground? It's grey, that's because it's made with hardcore, you know, like a road is. Glentress is famous for 2 things: 1 is having more than 300k riders a years for the last decade, 2 for maintaining the trails by basically using a broom now and then to sweep away a puddle.
@browner: You mean to say it is so stable that it will just stay like that? Oh, I thought it was compacted but that it would still erode over time as water and riders run down it. But yeah, if it is that solid it will indeed stay like it is for a good while.
Ehrm, doesn't that inherently make your statement untrue? I thought downcountry was defined in relation to XC. So you have XC and then DC would be the same bike, but with an inch more front travel, 0.2" wider tires, a 20mm shorter stem and a regular dropper seatpost (so with 175mm or more travel). But primarily in relation to what XC is. So if these are the XC world champs, this isn't DC. But yeah, we do need Mike Levy to help us out what it really is indeed. That said, I don't really care that much. Regardless of what it is, the track looks fun to ride.
Would be nice to know how much of this will remain in place after the race, Glentress is an incredible place but was desperately in need of an update. Strong rumours are that many of the exciting parts of this course won't be left in place- would love to know if anyone can confirm? It's amazing to see this course being built, but it would be such a shame to see the money wasted on features that wont be kept afterwards.
XC has come a long way. There's a lot of folks who say gravel biking is just 90s XC mountainbiking with drop bars so it appears now that gravel and cyclocross have found their place they're trying to modernise XC, if it keeps going this way I can foresee Trail bikes being pulled into the XC category and eventually the normal XC bikes phasing out 100mm travel models in favour of 120/140mm frames.
I hope they put a bridge across the gap for practice, and the remove it for the race. That should spice things up. Hold on, I like PFP, so don't do that, please.
HONESTLY id trade teh jumps + super buff surface for just a rough ass cattle stomped chatterfest. other than the endurocross stuff, the course is a speedway. you can do it with 2.0 slicks.
Hey...we are all feature seekers, that bunch that takes our one foot long front and rear sus plus dropper station wagons over terrain we claim is new era macho, never before existed. Truth is we now have a generation of riders who have never felt the trail, it rides like smooth sidewalk given our battleship choices. Hey ebike racing too...even more suspension!
I find that some jumps, gaps or stone constructions don't have much to do with XC. I understand that spectacularization is increasingly being sought but in my opinion XC should be more focused on natural routes, technical climbs and descents with roots and stones. All very natural.
Rumor has it the lap times are in the low 10 minutes - which will be a challenge to have 100 riders at once on the course. Not to mention the high number of laps required.
This is the norm for modern XC. For elite men: Val di Sole WC was sub 13 minutes, Leogang WC was sub 12 minutes, Lenzerheide WC was 12, Nove Mesto WC was sub 11.
August 4-5: UCI Mountain Bike World Championships – Fort William, Scotland (DH) August 9-12: UCI Mountain Bike World Championships – Glentress Forest, Scotland (XCO/XCC)
After the majority of racers session enough to ride the A lines on race day, the features won't be selective. So that leaves the long road climbs to be the areas where the race selections will be made. So the riders with the best watt/kg and not the best skills (only just enough skills) will be the winners. Unless it rains of course, then maybe Nino has a chance (despite some critics saying he can't race in the rain)
The A line features will be "do or not do" and not selective, so that everyone riding them will be going the same speed and no opportunities for passing. Whereas, roots, rocks and other natural features that don't have huge consequences for failure, but where riders that flub lose momentum, would give riders with more skills more of an advantage
Nino, despite almost definitely being the best XC racer of all time, has never won a World Cup or World Championship in wet conditions.
This makes total sense if you think about it as a tactic. For example in August, why would he take risks which could result in injury and time off training for the Olympics next year? He already has ten World Championships, but only one Olympic gold medal.
@Starch-Anton: Both MvdP and Pidcock are capable of starting in the last row and joining the lead group within 3 or 4 laps... I wouldn't write either of them off.
@mfoga: He only had a problem when he expected a ramp to be there that wasn't there... That was not a problem with his skill, it was just a communication mistake.
I guarantee you that he's a much better bike handler than anybody here on PB.
@mfoga: Because they all knew about it... For some reason MvdP wasn't told about it by the Dutch team, like I said it was a communication mistake that shouldn't have happened.
Looks awesome! Looks hard especially for chicken shit rider like myself. Thank God the best of the best are riding it. I hope the women are on top of their game to beat out Pucker.
I do hope the women are on top of their game too, which includes Puck. I wonder whether she manages to maintain this strong form until August as of course she's also been racing a tough CX season (which includes preparation and training well before these races commence. So yeah, amazing if she manages to win after such a tough season though of course there are many more great ladies who could do well too. Let's just wait and see!
@vinay: If it was anybody else, then I don't think they could hold their form for that long, as we've seen before. However, none of them did CX in the winter.....I've a theory that she just has a far bigger fitness base than the rest. She raced nearly all the CX World Cups from October to late January, after a short break, and finished in the Top3 in all of them.
@Starch-Anton: Admitted I have not been keeping a super close eye on CX and XC over the past few years. I did see her name pop up in the XC score sheets before she went elite but haven't really kept track of how far into the season she could keep up. Of course if she can, that's super cool and impressive and I've mentioned this before, I hope she can keep this fun for herself too. Aside from Fem van Empel (who I think we can agree isn't ready to win in XC this season), is the the only one of the top racers who competed in CX. I would have expected Ceylin and Evie Richards to have done so as well. I know they have had some impressive CX wins in the past though I don't know about this particular season. Ceylin indeed hasn't impressed this year in XC but I think the way Evie fought back after her mechanical in Nove Mesto really was impressive. All this said, obviously there is no question Puck has impressed in both CX and XC this season so yeah, let's say she very quickly lost that underdog status .
Wow! A mandatory 10 foot gap jump. Cross country has really come a long way in evolving to please spectators. I'm not sure if I like it, I can imagine a scenario where a rider with the most horsepower (which is what the race is really about) who spent his or hers time training aerobicly, and not risking their health doing tricks wind's up being beaten by an inferior fitness rider.
It's not Enduro, it's cross country, and the fittest riders deserve to win.
Now that we have Enduro, CX and even gravel as cycling disciplines, I think this is the spot for XC. I don't question riders need to be fit here too to win, but mountainbiking should be about skill too.
@vinay: Being more fit than the other guy is a skill, and one that is incredibly difficult to attain.
Put it this way: Did Usain Bolt have to do anything dangerous to win his medals? Why should a fitness based event involve danger for the participants? There are plenty of dangerous disciplines already, enduro and downhill.
The best comparison is skiing. If you want danger there's plenty of downhill and jumping disciplines, you can even mix cross country with jumping if you are so inclined. But pure cross country doesn't require any shenanigans from its participants.
@dick-pound: Actually, what I liked about marathon racing is that you're not riding laps so you don't have situations where faster riders have to overtake slower rides. Except obviously if different distances ride simultaneously so that at some point, the longer routes merge with the shorter ones. But other than that, I've often seen more tight and more technical sections in a marathon race because you won't have so many people trying to overtake etc. That said, there probably are a lot of differences between them. The videos I've seen on PB typically show some fairly straight and wide open sections and little tech. I'm not sure whether that's just because that's easy to film. Just like with the Megavalanche. The only videos I've seen show the upper section (above Alpe d'Huez) and most even limit themselves to the snow sections. But I don't think I've ever seen one that shows the woods sections below 2km altitude. Could be like that in marathon racing too.
For a professional mountain biker of any sort, a ten foot gap should be a mandatory skill with almost zero risk. A ten foot gap is nothing. It’s still mountain biking, so the trail should involve features that test more than just endurance. It’s still miles away from enduro or downhill and if anything I thought this trail looked surprisingly tame overall. Even road racers take exceptional risks without any “features”. Riding skill still matters, not just fitness.
@BiNARYBiKE: As I said before, aerobic fitness is the skill cross country should be testing. Funny that you are talking up the risks road cyclists take, let's analyze those.
They can be categorized as pack riding and descending.
Pack riding is inescapable in racing. You see many incidents of these types of falls in every big race. Fighting with 200 guys for space on an 8 foot wide piece of road is a recipe for disaster. If you road race you have to accept this risk.
But the speeds are relatively low in most of these events. Descending, that's a different story. The best descenders risk their lives at every bend in the road.
But, they don't have to. Riders are free to descend at whatever speed they are comfortable with. There is no mandatory "gap jump" they are forced into. Not every tour winner is a crazy descender. Most of them count on making time climbing or time trialing, not by risking their lives.
Spectator appeal shouldn't overrule the racers well being.
Looks like they are trying to follow suit, although these look a lot more predictable in terms of grip than Dalby.
He mentioned a b-line for that gap, so it'll be fine.
August 4-5: UCI Mountain Bike World Championships – Fort William, Scotland (DH)
August 9-12: UCI Mountain Bike World Championships – Glentress Forest, Scotland (XCO/XCC)
Unless it rains of course, then maybe Nino has a chance (despite some critics saying he can't race in the rain)
Nino, despite almost definitely being the best XC racer of all time, has never won a World Cup or World Championship in wet conditions.
This makes total sense if you think about it as a tactic. For example in August, why would he take risks which could result in injury and time off training for the Olympics next year? He already has ten World Championships, but only one Olympic gold medal.
I guarantee you that he's a much better bike handler than anybody here on PB.
She raced nearly all the CX World Cups from October to late January, after a short break, and finished in the Top3 in all of them.
It's not Enduro, it's cross country, and the fittest riders deserve to win.
Put it this way: Did Usain Bolt have to do anything dangerous to win his medals? Why should a fitness based event involve danger for the participants? There are plenty of dangerous disciplines already, enduro and downhill.
The best comparison is skiing. If you want danger there's plenty of downhill and jumping disciplines, you can even mix cross country with jumping if you are so inclined. But pure cross country doesn't require any shenanigans from its participants.
On another note, I heard Mr Bolt May come out of retirement to try hurdles and possibly even the steeplechase.
They can be categorized as pack riding and descending.
Pack riding is inescapable in racing. You see many incidents of these types of falls in every big race. Fighting with 200 guys for space on an 8 foot wide piece of road is a recipe for disaster. If you road race you have to accept this risk.
But the speeds are relatively low in most of these events. Descending, that's a different story. The best descenders risk their lives at every bend in the road.
But, they don't have to. Riders are free to descend at whatever speed they are comfortable with. There is no mandatory "gap jump" they are forced into. Not every tour winner is a crazy descender. Most of them count on making time climbing or time trialing, not by risking their lives.
Spectator appeal shouldn't overrule the racers well being.