@wheelsmith: scooter kids do not like to be stuck in the track every time they climb a roller hehehe. I had one pump track very close to home,never ride over a scooter kids. But I left a few times cos I wanted to ride over some stupid parents who let their children run&play inside the track or really close. That track is only for bikes,it is in the "big rule table in the door" of the place,so when I see something out of order it is easy to tell them to read the norms (like people without helmet). I saw few crashes like Aaron describes, front wheel over the corner,face plant into the asphalt in a millisecond. Those are terrible crashes,nightmare stuff, visit to the hospital 100%.
@homerjm: If it is tarmac, it is for everyone on wheels (and unassisted), isn't it? Gravel pumptracks may be hard on the small wheels, but the whole selling point (to get money from the city-councel to get one built) is that asphalt tracks are multi-use.
I personally don't get the hate against scooters. It may actually be better to practice pumping on a scooter than if you also have pedals. I sometimes see people pedal around the pumptrack and (aside from the fact that it seems actually more dangerous/less stable) to have moments with one pedal up and the other one down, they don't get to learn what they are to learn there. I have no experience on a scooter but I suppose you can use them to learn to pump properly. Especially as you can squat much deeper than many people seem to manage on a regular mountainbike with the saddle slammed.
@PauRexs I feel like he has always been. Most of the DH riders are pretty eloquent, actually. Gee, Minnaar, Gwin, Mulally, Brosnan, and even the young Frenchies are all great interviewees after overcoming the language barrier. Barel, Needles and CG were also very good communicators back in the days. And of course the born entertainer Cam McCaul and the wordwizard Rob Warner. High level Mountainbikers in general seem to have quite extraordinary communication skills.
@mazze: yes he was enough but he got better as wine with the age and experience in this area... You see him really comfortable and devoted to what he is doing now with the right balance, not easy though...The riders you mentioned it's easy when you are a super character and you are doing your thing... all good... But here is slightly different... Giving advice to larger audiences and compete with other really good communicators too...
If you can team up with another few people, it is completely possible to get a pump track built by your town for your town.
A shredder
A land manager involved in a current project
Someone with technical skills
A mom
Start talking about it and go to a town meeting to plant the seed at the public forum.
You got this!!
@brass-munky: I can definitely try harder. My main hurdle is that my town is a retirement town and the people that live here prefer to keep things quiet and local. A pump track and well maintained trails would attract to many young hooligans to town. Again, I can definitely try harder to make it a reality.
Move to England. Councils have realised they’re much cheaper than building actual skateparks so we’ve got one in every town and village. Nobody uses them ether so once you’ve swept the broken glass away other than a few kids dribbling around on scooters. You’ll have it all to yourself for the 20 minutes it takes you to get bored.
A nice pump track is close 100.000 € or even less if a local company can do it. My local track was build by a local company and was"cheap" compared to big playground for kids or any football/basketball thing in the same area. I have a good friend building pump tacks here in Spain,they have various teams working in different places around the country and a huge list of clients waiting for them to build their pump tracks.
Definitely! A few have popped up in Korea, but in one city, the locals have really taken advantage of it. The kids there are pushing themselves and progressing so rapidly. So awesome to see. The asphalt jumps are a wee bit of a question though haha.
They even have a free foam put there. 2nd one in the country. 1st one is off in the boonies and doesn't see as much use as it should
@thenotoriousmic: Interesting take, the ones in my home city (Bristol) are always pretty busy when I go and loads of people stay for an hour or more. Not got many near me now but they've usually got a good 10 or so people there when I go.
Genuinely not sure why you're so negative about them - any place to ride is amazing, especially if the council are behind it. If it's going to help people get out & active then it's great. If it's going to help people hone in their skills that's great. All good things really!
@Joebohobo: agreed but the main reason I’m so negative about them is everything time I see one pop up I know there was a decision made and instead of getting a new skatepark we’re getting the budget version pump track instead. Just went and visited a new one in Windermere it was completely empty sat next to an old metal skatepark that’s sunk into the ground, that money could have gone on a new park or at least fixed the one that’s already there but instead it’s wasted on a pump track that gets little to no use.
BMX race tracks will do nicely also. Just got back into BMX racing with my 9 y.o. son, and one of the drills we do is to pump the straights, pedal the corners, and then pump the whole track from the starting hill. I've noticed my top end be a lot better which have been beneficial for short punchy climbs on the XC bike.
@XC-Only: That's how I got a DJ bike. My oldest (7yo) was into BMX for a while and I'd accompany him to practice, so I got a DJ bike for BMX practice with him, and occasional trips to the pump track (closest one to use is an hour away). He lost interest in BMX, and we haven't been back to the track in quite some time.
When I was going to practice with him I would tell him to pedal and I would pump, and have him try to keep up with me, or I would give him a head-start and leave the gate after he reached the first turn, and have him try to beat me to the finish. Towards the end he was getting to where he almost kept up, on regular starts, and would beat me to the finish with a head start, but then we stopped going. He still enjoys riding and rides his mtn. bike fairly often, but he doesn't do well in a competitive environment, so he was kinda turned off by BMX. His little brother, otoh, is *very* competitive, but he has yet to graduate to pedals. We might try again with BMX if he shows interest in it.
@SoCalTrev: DJ bike would have been a wiser choice for being out of BMX riding since 2015. The worst crashes I've had were always on a BMX race or freestyle bike. It's taken me a couple of months, but the precision and response you get out of a 20" BMX race bike makes all my other bikes feel like driving an old Cadillac with blown shocks.
I don't have a childhood BMX background, but I raced a full season in my mid-20s, which is pretty much all year save for December and January in California, as you know. We have 5-week long, exclusive race leagues here in Napa for beginners, so I think that helps to keep the kids in the game, so to speak, without having to combine races with higher skilled racers.
Come to the UK, I live in a pretty basic village in a rural county and we’ve got about 3 pump tracks in a short drivable distance. There are also 3 I know of just in the nearest city.
@Longroadtonowhere: People are talking about building one in Corona, but we'll see. Feels like every new pop up neighborhood has a skate park now (which is good), you'd think putting in a pump track in place of one wouldn't be hard.
He doesn't seem to pump up the faces of the lips. IMO pumping goes as follows..
Up the face: high body position using wrists, arms to accelerate front wheel up the jump face - then using feet, ankles, legs to 'sling' the rear wheel up the face as the front wheel/bars post jump face lift is absorbed into the body (preparation for back side pump).
Body position over front and full weight thrown into back side pump through arms amd wrists. Rear wheel pumped down backside using legs and final flick with ankles/feet.
Repeat.
IMO each roller has 4 'pumps'. 1 arms wrists up face. 2 legs and ankles up face. 3 arms wrists down backside 4 leg, ankles down backside.
Sorry, I have to ask: Are you legit suggesting Aaron Gwin doesn’t know how to properly pump? Pretty sure the Chainless Wonder has it sorted! IMO If you’re going fast at all, pumping is one complete body motion with two parts: arms and legs contract into body to unweight the frontside, arms and legs extend downward to weight the backside. So much fun.
@BiNARYBiKE: Everyone can always go deeper into techniques. I'd love to hear Aarons indepth thoughts on when and where he distribute weight and force on the pump track.
They’re literally the most boring places to possibly ride a bike. First run you’re like this is amazing I’ll never get bored of this by the tenth run you’ve cleared everything and you never go back and then another pump track opens and the cycle repeats. You’d be way better off getting a bmx and go down to the skatepark and learning to pump properly in the bowl or riding transitions and spines than you would on a shitty pump track.
Can you jump or manual or pick up manual or tripple / quad manual? I loose hours riding pump tracks trying to learn pointless crap, personal preference I guess
The truth hurts when you’re 2k+ deep in a bike with a suspension fork that needs it locked out anyway and that is shit to ride everywhere except for bespoke pump tracks and huge dirt jumps… which almost nobody has access too anyway.
Fair enough to have your own opinion but I think a proper pumptrack is super fun. Mostly because you can constantly push against the edge of your top speed no matter how fast you get. Emphasis on proper track though. Poorly built/maintained tracks are worse than nothing at all.
@BiNARYBiKE: everything he said was correct it’s just you’d be better off doing the exact same thing in the bowl on a £400 bmx. You don’t even have to get out of the coping, sometime I just go down am I do one min intervals for fitness just seeing how fast I can pump around the bowl without airing or pedalling etc.
@thenotoriousmic: your example is of a highly advanced bmx rider airing the skatepark even though you're all about pumping without any air? Do you understand a pump track is designed to minimize air time and maximize efficiency?
@Saucycheese: I used Josh dove as an example because he’s one of the best bowl riders in the world. It’s the same technique you’d use to get around a pump track just dialed up to the max.
@thenotoriousmic: I didn’t say he was wrong. I said I find pumptrack fun. That’s just an opinion. As a 6’4” old man I don’t find bmx bikes in a skatepark very fun. I’d rather skateboard at a concrete park. Anyway, for most riders a unit rack is a lot more approachable than riding legit transitions. If you’re skilled enough, I can see why the pumptrack would be boring in comparison.
@BiNARYBiKE: nah not really. If you remove the airs / tricks, the underlying riding is very relatable. Most rampage features aren’t even rideable to most.
I agree bmx bowl is more fun, but I think a pump track translates more directly to dh riding.
@BiNARYBiKE: agreed I’m old and tall too. Long top tubes and tall bars for me. I just posted that clip because it was a good example of somebody who really knows how to pump for speed. Just listen to the noise those slick 100 psi tyres make from the g forces. This is a great example too.
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That track is only for bikes,it is in the "big rule table in the door" of the place,so when I see something out of order it is easy to tell them to read the norms (like people without helmet).
I saw few crashes like Aaron describes, front wheel over the corner,face plant into the asphalt in a millisecond. Those are terrible crashes,nightmare stuff, visit to the hospital 100%.
I personally don't get the hate against scooters. It may actually be better to practice pumping on a scooter than if you also have pedals. I sometimes see people pedal around the pumptrack and (aside from the fact that it seems actually more dangerous/less stable) to have moments with one pedal up and the other one down, they don't get to learn what they are to learn there. I have no experience on a scooter but I suppose you can use them to learn to pump properly. Especially as you can squat much deeper than many people seem to manage on a regular mountainbike with the saddle slammed.
Genuinely not sure why you're so negative about them - any place to ride is amazing, especially if the council are behind it. If it's going to help people get out & active then it's great. If it's going to help people hone in their skills that's great. All good things really!
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When I was going to practice with him I would tell him to pedal and I would pump, and have him try to keep up with me, or I would give him a head-start and leave the gate after he reached the first turn, and have him try to beat me to the finish. Towards the end he was getting to where he almost kept up, on regular starts, and would beat me to the finish with a head start, but then we stopped going. He still enjoys riding and rides his mtn. bike fairly often, but he doesn't do well in a competitive environment, so he was kinda turned off by BMX. His little brother, otoh, is *very* competitive, but he has yet to graduate to pedals. We might try again with BMX if he shows interest in it.
I don't have a childhood BMX background, but I raced a full season in my mid-20s, which is pretty much all year save for December and January in California, as you know. We have 5-week long, exclusive race leagues here in Napa for beginners, so I think that helps to keep the kids in the game, so to speak, without having to combine races with higher skilled racers.
Q: how do you "set-up" the fork, i have heared go "full lock"....... any comments on that?
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I’m not a million miles from you, have you any locations for pump track nearby
The fact that there isn’t a pumptrack in LA county yet blows my mind.
Up the face: high body position using wrists, arms to accelerate front wheel up the jump face - then using feet, ankles, legs to 'sling' the rear wheel up the face as the front wheel/bars post jump face lift is absorbed into the body (preparation for back side pump).
Body position over front and full weight thrown into back side pump through arms amd wrists. Rear wheel pumped down backside using legs and final flick with ankles/feet.
Repeat.
IMO each roller has 4 'pumps'. 1 arms wrists up face. 2 legs and ankles up face. 3 arms wrists down backside 4 leg, ankles down backside.
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I agree bmx bowl is more fun, but I think a pump track translates more directly to dh riding.
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