Video: Chromag Announces Full Suspension Kid's Bike - 'The Minor Threat'

Jul 19, 2021
by Chromag Bikes  

Chromag Minor Threat
Yeeewwwww indeed. Although, this bike might not be exactly what you were expecting...

Hold your horses grown-ups. Before you get too excited, this one is for the groms.

PRESS RELEASE: Chromag

It appears everyone and their dog already knows about this, but here's the full scoop.

We design stuff that we want to use. That's how every Chromag product has come into existence, and as some of us are parents, the Minor Threat is no exception.

Chromag Minor Threat

The keener eyes amongst you might have noticed this bike is a full suspension, also fondly referred to as a twin squisher or double boing-boing. You might also be surprised that our first foray into this domain was with a kid's bike.

Chromag Minor Threat

The truth is, even though this is a kid's bike, it's a technical engineering exercise with many of the same hurdles as that of an adults' bike (if not more, the cost constraints on a kid's bike are considerably tighter). Nonetheless, we have a whole host of talented people here at Chromag that were eager to push their skills into the full suspension dimension (someone please use this as their band name).

Chromag Minor Threat

We were also just really excited to design a (frankly) f**kin' awesome kid's bike, especially as almost all of us grew up riding klunkers that were nowhere near as good. I think my first "mountain" bike was a Raleigh Nexos, and even your most underbiked gravel rider would pass that up in this day and age. That didn't stop me shralping that thing through the local woods though, and chasing that feeling of freedom is what the Minor Threat is all about.

Chromag Minor Threat
Barrett (9) and Ian Ritz (>9) scoping lines.

Kids are growing up with 12 speed clutch drive-trains and will never know the pain of running an over-engineered chain guide that is as good at keeping your chain off, as it is on. Don't get me wrong, this isn't a bad thing, think of what these kids will be capable of in 10 years time. Hell, look at what they're capable of now. I'm not too proud to say these groms might actually require better gear than we had back-in-the-day.

With that in mind, we set about designing it for them.

Chromag Minor Threat
I wish I could ride A-Line this well. Seth (10) showing us how it's done.

The Minor Threat has a 4-bar linkage driving 140mm of rear wheel travel tuned for the lighter rider. The S1 size sports 24" wheels and a 140mm Revelation up front. The S2 has 26" wheels and a 150mm Pike.

Chromag Minor Threat

The progression of the Minor Threat is 18%, which is relatively low when compared to an adults bike. The reason being is to ensure the entire range of travel can be utilised by a lighter rider. However the average leverage ratio is higher than that of an adults bike to help with suspension setup at low air pressures. The rear axle path is typical of that of a 4 bar linkage. It moves rearward in the first 50mm of travel and returns gradually up to its 140mm limit.

Time to put the kettle on, there's a bunch of graphs coming up...

Chromag Minor Threat
We could have just made these up...

Ok now you've skipped over those, let's talk geo. The Minor Threat has a 64° head tube angle and a 76° seat tube angle, which can be steepened by 1° with the installed flip chip, depending on what floats your boat. The S1 has a reach of 360mm and the S2 has 400mm, both of which can be increased by 10mm in the steep position. They both have ample room to install a dropper post, and come with QR seat clamps.

Chromag Minor Threat

We're also rather proud of the build kit as it's no different to what you'd find on most of our own bikes. SRAM Eagle drivetrains, G2 brakes, Rockshox suspension and Maxxis Minion tyres are a few highlights, not to mention we've obviously decked it out in Chromag parts including the all new, kids specific Vanguard 720mm bar. The purple anodised hubs on the Black Candy option are another highlight, not even the adults can get hold of these.

Chromag Minor Threat
Barrett, dodging what appear to be yellow seagulls.

The frame is made from double butted 6066 aluminum tubing (roughly translates to aluminium for those across the pond), with billet machined aluminum linkage plates and junctions.

Hang on, aluminum?? We know, steel forever right. Well... not quite. Material selection is a huge part of the design process. We make bikes from titanium, pedals from plastic and bars from 7000 series aluminum (We did actually play around with a steel bar/stem combo at one point). For this bike, aluminum made the most sense for a number of reasons, which we'll go into below this lovely photo of a CNC spindle covered in milk.

Chromag Minor Threat

Firstly, the use of aluminum allows us to make a bike that’s burly enough to hold up to the bike park without being too heavy for a lighter rider to manage. Aluminum has a lower strength-to-weight ratio than steel, meaning that more volume of aluminum is required to make a frame that holds up to our strength standards. This is why you’ll notice that the tubing used in the construction of the Minor Threat is thicker than that used on our steel frames.

Chromag Minor Threat
Looks like a S.....Seth (age 10). Trail: Dwayne's Johnson, Whistler Bike Park.

A big one, especially for a kid's bike, is that aluminum is pretty low-maintenance. As you probably know all too well if you own one of our steel frames, it’s very important to grease your seatpost every couple of months (reminder: go and do that now!). If water gets into an ungreased steel seat tube, it will corrode the steel and form a bond with the aluminum of your seatpost, making it nearly impossible to remove. However, this isn’t an issue with an aluminum bike. While unpainted steel is not naturally corrosion-resistant, aluminum is. Long story short, it’s a little more forgiving to being “ridden hard and put away wet”.

Chromag Minor Threat

Just like the rest of our Taiwanese-made frames like the Rootdown, Stylus, and Monk, the Minor Threat is handmade by a team of highly skilled framebuilders in Taiwan, and is held to the same stringent quality control standards that we're known for.

Chromag Minor Threat

S1 and S2, why two sizes? Why not just allow for a wheel swap? In reality you can run both 24" and 26" wheels on both frame sizes, we just don't recommend it. Increasing the wheel size, doesn't increase the size of the bike, it just lifts it farther from the ground. It does nothing to affect geometry like rear-center, reach & wheelbase, or account for head tube and seat tube angles. Just like we do with our adult bikes, we dove deep into the sizing of the Minor Threat, and in the end the S1 and S2 sizes made the most sense to us.

Chromag Minor Threat

We place a high value on being able to service bikes and parts as much as possible to keep them in fine fettle. We treated the Minor Threat in the same way, with full disclosure on technical drawings and a wide range of service kits available so these bikes last a long time. Even when your wee nipper does eventually out grow it, you'll be able to re-sell, or pass it down to the next one in good confidence.

Chromag Minor Threat
Take this to your local fabricator and they'll knock one up for half the price.

As you can see, no small amount of thought and effort has gone into designing the Minor Threat. We're really excited about being a part of the next generation of rippers and helping the youngsters get off to as good a start as they possibly can.

Chromag Minor Threat

There you have it, a Chromag full suspension bike. As a kid's bike, perhaps it's not quite what you were expecting, but we'll leave you with this: if you see one mouse in the kitchen, there's a good chance more mice are close-at-hand.

Chromag Minor Threat

A limited run of the Minor Threat is available for pre-order now at chromagbikes.com, and soon at select bike shops in North America. It retails for $3950 CAD in both S1 and S2 sizes, and is only available as a complete bike.

Thanks for reading!
- The Chromag Crew x


Chromag bikes, parts, apparel and accessories are available online and at quality bike shops.



 


239 Comments

  • 144 12
 To be the son of rich parents living in the mountains ✊
  • 382 15
 or daughter, girls shred too. Good looking debut @Chromagbikes
  • 41 2
 I’m definitely not rich but my kids have quality bikes. Although $3000 is next level I’m sure I’ll figure out some way to rationalize it when they get big enough, or at least want to: ‘They’ll enjoy the sport so much more...resale will be good...the color matches my bike...’

You know, the important stuff.
  • 5 2
 @jeremiahwas: all the important stuff! If you can, why wouldn't you...
  • 5 1
 Rats Chromag you are a few months late, ended up ordering a VPace from Germany because i couldn't get one here.

Would have liked to have supported local. Looking forward to the 26"
  • 7 3
 @norcobicycles: aye nice one
  • 16 43
flag blackthorne (Jul 19, 2021 at 10:56) (Below Threshold)
 Maybe I’m the minor(ity) but I just don’t get this other than profiteering. First and foremost a small human needs a lightweight bike with proper geo. This is what is missing from virtually all kids bikes. And chromag a hardtail company. You would think they would apply their know how to a rad extreme geo hardtail that requires zero maintenance. But they come out with an aluminum full sus? Most kids don’t need that. Only rich ass parents or really talented shredders going downhill.
  • 25 2
 @blackthorne: profiteering: the practice of making or seeking to make an excessive or unfair profit, especially illegally or in a black market.

Just don't buy the bike.
  • 15 11
 To be the son or daughter of rich parents living in the mountains/who can afford Outside+, you mean.
  • 45 1
 @blackthorne:
"they come out with an aluminum full sus? Most kids don’t need that."

You've not been to Whistler have you?
  • 12 2
 @blackthorne:
Not really true - full suspension makes it much easier for kids to ride proper trails - on smaller wheels a hard tail is really hard work on anything other than smooth blues.

JP
  • 23 2
 @blackthorne: Two things.
1. We need to change our mindset about kids bikes, why should they be cheaper than our bike, the cost of the materials is only slightly less. Would you ride a 350.00 walmart bike down blue or black trail, why do you expect your kid to. Back in the day most kids just rode with other kids, that's how i grew up. Now we ride with our kids.
2. Many countries dont have a separate standard for kids/adult bikes. so kids bikes have to be designed to pass the same weight limits etc...so dont expect a kids bike to be a flyweight. We purchased our kids latest from Germany and it came with a 80 pound weight limit. And guess what, the burley tire build with dropper is only 25 pounds.
  • 21 2
 I’m sure you mean well in that this is an expensive kid’s bike, but I don’t think what’s here stacks up to profiteering.

@blackthorne: “Profiteering - the practice of making or seeking to make an excessive or unfair profit, especially illegally or in a black market.“

$3k is in line with most base model adult full-suss bikes and this one required special R&D. Plus, it includes decent parts and is a limited run. The market will decide if the price is excessive.

Besides, profits are a good thing—I hope they make a lot.
  • 5 1
 @Jprestidge: Dont tell that to my son, we have been riding easy black hard blue on the North Shore for the last year on his 20" Vertex(note heavily modified) hardtail.

He is now on a Full Sus 24" so lets see how that progresses.
  • 3 0
 Just think of all the money parents spend either on their kids or on crap for themselves and this bike doesn't seem so bad as long as the kid is actually riding as many do. Remember, once you have a bike riding it is pretty much free unlike many activities.
  • 5 2
 @NealWood: would you buy a $3K full suspension bike if you were guaranteed to grow out of it in as little as a year?

I get resale will help ease the pain, but I pity the parents of little shredders right now.
  • 2 1
 @MDW83: Other than the balance bike that only lasted a year so far we have had two years out of each bike.
  • 5 1
 @MDW83: I grow out of my bike every year too so its only fair
  • 2 1
 @blackthorne: you've clearly never been to a real bike park and watched what kids can do these days. I had a group of 9-11 year olds who would blow your doors off this past week
  • 2 0
 @kingtut87:
Have been to Whistler. Blown away this isn’t a dual-crown, 8 piston brakes, and 20mm rear axle bike. Because, all the young people there seem to be absolute
shredders.
  • 4 1
 @fabwizard: Yea we do need to change our mindset about bikes. I would theorize that the majority of people including kids do not need $3,000 plus bikes to ride black and blue trails.

One can absolutely rip black and blue trails on sub $3,000 bikes.

There are bunch of sub $3,000 bikes that are not Walmart bikes that are more than capable of shredding black and blue trails. i.e Growler, Fuse, Honzo etc.

Personally I will invest extra money in coaching for my kid than as opposed to over biking him/her.
  • 5 4
 @norcobicycles: hats off for exposing the bias!!
  • 7 1
 This is always the knee-jerk reaction every time an "expensive" kids product comes out. You don't have to be "rich" to buy nice bikes, even if they are for your kids. Most of the people that I see that ride really nice bikes are definitely not rich; they often work in bike shops. People that are definitely not rich can easily spend this much money in bars or on weed. And why wouldn't you want your kid to have a well-built, capable bike like this to allow them to progress as safely as possible? Sure, you can't afford this if you are poor but most middle class families could make it work if biking is a priority.
  • 3 0
 @not-really: I imagine it wasn’t so much bias as the OP was merely saying “I [being male] wish I had been the son of affluent mountain parents,” because saying “I wish I had been the daughter…” would be odd if you’re not female, unless you are saying something entirely unrelated to bikes (which for the record is just fine, too).
  • 1 0
 @MDW83:I would - having 3 kids, also kids bikes typically last 3 years, not a year, so technically for me I'll put in long term perspective, also it is safer to ride down on norm bike, rather Walmart junk;

Agree that FS not always the answer, since kid / bike weight ration kinda imbalanced.
  • 1 0
 @fabwizard: thank you for the hint!
  • 1 1
 Cmon, in case u can justify 5k bike and 20k car bike for yourself - not that hards to justify 3k kiddos bike; agree that ski's in this case costs lot less for kids then adults in terms of boots and ski's
  • 2 2
 For those who loved the band this is the BEST NSME FOR A BIKE, EVER!!
  • 2 1
 @jeremiahwas: I think you all missed my point and I probably did not do a good job of conveying the message. Firstly, Whistler is a totally skewed example. It’s literally the epicenter of kids pushing their bikes and parents willing to finance their recreation. It’s not representative of neither the terrain nor needs of the rest of the world. So let’s say this bike was created for the Whistler crowd, fine. That leaves the second point: chromag. Why do chromag bike owners have chromag? Because they are attracted to the hardcore steel hard tail: cheap(er), bomb proof, simple. So this bike literally has nothing in common with their unique value proposition which makes me raise my eyebrows. Should we expect that next chromags to become a more mainstream now with aluminum and carbon bikes?
  • 3 2
 @blackthorne:
Profiteering aka Business
Chromag is in the business of making bicycles, selling them at a profit so that they canake more bicycles.
If you don't like that, you should try socialism.
  • 3 2
 @Phlippie: Maybe you should try socialism, bringing up the topic is irrelevant and lame attempt at being snarky.
  • 1 0
 @MDW83: Parents are getting absolutely fleeced right now!
  • 3 2
 @lastminutetech: No. Ian would shit if he saw his band name on a $4k kids bike. What an insult to their legacy.
  • 2 0
 @norcobicycles: All kids bikes should have adjustable head tube to can increase the length of frame as they grow?
  • 1 0
 @jeremiahwas: I’m excited for these to go on sale when the kiddos grow out and my lil dude grows in!
  • 1 0
 @MDW83: 4 years, my 6 year old is on his second year with his Norco FS 20 and he has atleast 2 more.
  • 1 0
 Says the guy riding on a 2011 giant. Niiiiice. @blackthorne:
  • 1 0
 @mrgazoo: pff that profile is so outdated. That bike was stolen 6 years ago. Currently on a 2021 stumpy.
  • 109 19
 Lets all be honest here. Kids are stupid and expensive so I don't see why anyone would complain about a stupid and expensive bike for them. If you already have a stupid and expensive kid get them a stupid and expensive bike so they can keep up with you better on your stupid and expensive bike. Or better yet, don't have kids so you don't have to buy a stupid and expensive bike for them and put more money into your stupid and expensive bike. Also, kids are not only stupid and expensive but slow. Lets just all agree that kids a bad all around. One last thing, global warming. Stop having kids. Amen.
  • 11 5
 Savage truths...
  • 64 2
 Did some 10-year-old steal your KOM?
  • 17 3
 Didn't know whether to give you a +1 for funny or a -1 for calling kids stupid.

So you got a comment instead.
  • 12 9
 He ain’t wrong. #dont have kids
  • 5 0
 @Obiewon123: how else could I have expressed my unfounded optimism about the future of our species?
  • 2 0
 @Obiewon123: Why not? Viruses need to eat, too.
  • 1 0
 @fabwizard: they eat glue... among other things,,,,
  • 2 3
 I don't see the problem with FS bikes for kids. Imagine that you are a dentist riding around on your yeti.. would you want people to see your kid riding around on a poor children's bike? Absolutely not. Get that boy a FS bike and a gold chain.
  • 8 0
 @fabwizard: +1 for calling kids stupid or a -1 for anger issues
  • 4 0
 Ironic that this is coming from SLC…. Not disagreeing or anything Steve
  • 4 1
 Did I stumble onto r/childfree here? I thought this was Pinkbike... Just because *you* think kids are stupid and "bad all around" doesn't mean they are. Are they expensive? Sure. Opinions are like a*sholes though, and yours is full of shit.
  • 2 1
 @ScandiumRider: Right? I'm also tired of seeing the tired old myth of children = overpopulation = climate change. Climate change is a huge problem, and having fewer children isn't the "solution" we should be focusing on.
  • 1 0
 @c0-w: More people = more pollution and waste, that is not a myth. So yes having fewer children would result in less pollution and waste.

However, zero children = end of humanity, so the answer is somewhere in between.

How about aim for a stabile population. That should be focused on.

You are kidding yourself if you think that the current world population growth is sustainable. That growth is the single largest threat to mother earth(that and nuclear war).
  • 1 1
 No, kids aren’t stupid. They can act stupid, but in my experience, adults are typically far dumber. I’d ignore your attempt at humor and write it off as joking around, but clearly, you’re not.

That old anti-people/overpopulation/earth-worshipping B.S. is highly debated at most and just wrong otherwise. Population is stabilizing and will eventually start declining in the not-too-distant future.

You say kids “are stupid” but I find they can really help people stave off becoming empty, self-important, self-absorbed, finger-waggers who preach their dangerous (China one child policy), doomsday religion (you said “Amen”).

My only regret about having just three kids is we couldn’t have more. They’re worth far more than their supposed ‘carbon footprint’ and certainly worth a nice bike, which is certainly not “stupid.”

#kidsareawesome
#havemorekids
  • 62 18
 Somehow I get the feeling that a $3000 kids bike is antithetical to everything that band stood for.
  • 26 1
 salad days are over...
  • 9 3
 Maybe that was their goal after all. People should be able to follow their creativity wherever it takes them. In the process devoted fans may become harsh critics. I’d like to see Chromag continue to make whatever music they want
  • 3 0
 And I was wondering if the name was Trademarked.... ?
  • 1 5
flag nickgarrison (Jul 19, 2021 at 11:07) (Below Threshold)
 I mean, vocalist essentially created "Straight Edge" and then broke edge. So who cares?
  • 2 3
 @nickgarrison: XXX is such BS.
  • 3 0
 "Pay no more that 2999"
  • 11 0
 Yeah, it feels a bit out of step.
  • 8 0
 I hope they are paying royalties to Dischord for the use if the name.
  • 10 0
 @fartymarty:

I could see Dischord being cool with it.

Now, if Chromag had used Cro-Mag, I could see Harley or John getting upset....but who knows if either of them even has a copyright anymore....
  • 2 0
 @suspended-flesh: And those guys will fight you! Wink
  • 2 1
 @suspended-flesh: yeah I'm sure Dischord would be fine with it.
  • 9 1
 I'm sure as long as the kid is sober it would all be fine
  • 1 0
 Should at least come with a free skateboard?
  • 3 0
 @nickgarrison: Lol - like they aren't relevant because of the insane fanaticism that followed a single song? Ian MacKaye is on record saying 'Straight Edge' (the song) was never intended to be a decree.
GG Allin wrote 'Legalise Murder' but we don't attribute homocide crime figures to him because of it.

Missing a lot if you write off Minor Threat so easily.
  • 1 3
 @Steventux: Yeah, well I just don't care if someone uses the name "Minor Threat" to name a product. Either way, if it wasn't for Minor Threat, there probably wouldn't be a subculture of lame, punk and hardcore kids claiming to be straight edge.
  • 4 0
 @Steventux: and if it wasn't for GG Allin there probably wouldn't be a subculture of people shitting themself while naked and smearing it on their faces....
I mean....he deserves a bike named in his honor too!
  • 2 0
 @CuyunaHTmn: Do you know who Harley Flanagan is?
  • 3 5
 @suspended-flesh: Either way, Chromag are being massive dicks here IMO. Trying to capitalize off of old punk band names. Pretty sad if you ask me.

-150 respect Chromag
  • 2 0
 @Steventux: GG was an absolute genius!
  • 3 0
 @hqrsie: Missed opportunity to call "seeing red" S1 colorway
  • 3 0
 @nickgarrison: Like it or not 'Straight Edge' is a classic backlash song, pushing back against the decadent 'Sex drugs and RockNRoll' of previous generations of artists, some of those from the punk era.
I think this backlash would have been inevitable given the state of punk and rock at the time. I'm not at all straight edge but I can see the cultural value in the both the song and the movement.

I think it is a big deal that significant cultural references are co-opted by companies for profit. Adam Yauch had the right idea in that sense. Hopefully Ian MacKaye just doesn't give a shit or at least gets free bikes his kids.
  • 2 1
 @Steventux: Those two words together aren't a unique creation of Ian or Jeff Nelson and were probably pulled from a DC news article. Trying to enforce ownership of 'Minor Threat' probably goes against everything they believe in. It's not like Chromag is stealing original MT artwork... I was there in that era and SE people were enforcer bullies and jocks for the most part.
  • 4 0
 @suspended-flesh: I'm pretty sure there's no trademark on the band's name.
Ian went pretty vocal over NIKE's "Major Threat" campaign some years ago cause you know, NIKE, and at least the ad-campaign was suspended 'cause NIKE smelled the shitstorm coming, not because they feared a lawsuit.
I really doubt Ian, Jeff or anyone would have anything against Chromag's bike.
  • 1 0
 @Becciu: why doesn'ts someone just reach out to Ian and ask him. I've emailed him before and he replied. Lets end the speculation...
  • 1 0
 @suspended-flesh: Oh aye I'm a similar vintage and for sure some people took that stuff wayyyy too seriously or were just looking for another excuse to be a pit-alpha.
it's still a great song and I doubt Ian ever intended anyone to get stabbed over it. The band wrote other stuff and it didn't all contain SE references.

I'm not arguing the legal technicalities of using the name as I'm hopelessly ill informed about copyright etc, perhaps this is an example of borrowing from something admirable and that's all. I guess I feel a bit precious about one of the cornerstones of DIY punk/hardcore ethos being used to sell quite a pricey child's bike.
It does look like a decent bike though.
  • 1 0
 @FatTonyNJ: they would be too busy fighting each other to fight you...
  • 2 0
 @Steventux: For sure - Ian is not responsible for the boneheads who took one song coining the term 'Straight Edge' and turned it into a super-rigid aggro dogma at all. Just relating what I have experienced with SE kids back in the day. I actually wrote letter with (less than?) $10 in it to Dischord to order the Teen Idles and SOA 45s. Ian replied with a thoughtful handwritten letter along with the records talking about keeping DC 'a level-headed scene with a message'. LOL. Olde Times.....I'm even well older than you - I just can't seem to act it.......oh well. I'm a just a Minor at Heart.
  • 2 0
 @suspended-flesh: Haha, that's a real nice touch, it's funny of thinking of even writing by hand to a record company let alone getting a personal reply, he seems to me like someone who has stayed true to his principles. I like a lot of different music but there's something about punk and hardcore that I always go back to.
I really admire how Dischord (and Epitaph) got started and used their profits to promote new bands. That whole model perpetuated new generations of great artists and bands and they still have a similar attitude to the business of producing music.
Maybe this is a fitting homage, Chromag are a small bike brand, hopefully this bike will inspire a whole new generation of riders... maybe they can use the same profit model as Dischord... lol.
  • 2 0
 @suspended-flesh: A good read www.huckmag.com/art-and-culture/music-2/ian-mackaye-survival-issue-interview

"Urban Outfitters was selling Minor Threat T-shirts. They called to see if this was true and I said, ‘Yeah.’ Another company makes them, and I just don’t give a f*ck."

I will take my precious punk gatekeeping and tidy it away Big Grin
  • 2 0
 @Steventux: he's so cool. that was a killer read
  • 37 0
 Should have called it the Chromag Fortnite.. Maybe my kid would be interested.
  • 26 0
 i've never fallen for a rick roll link harder in my life.
  • 27 2
 So will the adult version be called Fugazi?
  • 11 0
 Ian MacKaye does not approve....
  • 4 0
 And the ebike will be Coriky.
  • 1 0
 That'd be cool!
  • 1 0
 I loved seeing those guys at City Gardens in my youth!
  • 2 0
 @krka73: Certainly no straight edge on that bike!
  • 1 0
 Thank you!!!! I was losing hope the name would be lost to the bike masses. Many seems to be…out of step
  • 1 0
 @lastminutetech: nice! I see what you did there.
  • 24 7
 On one hand this is so great. On the other hand there is absolutely nothing punk about mountain biking especially when you're lining up at your local multinational-corporation-owned bike park.
  • 26 4
 We live in a society.
  • 4 0
 There is, if you're riding a shit-kicker bike.
  • 2 1
 There was an attempt To gatekeep punk rock
  • 14 1
 The most important question for a full sus kids bike: how much does it weigh? The older kids bikes full sus bikes are heinously heavy but they have gotten a lot lighter more recently and it would be good to see how this compares to a Norco fluid.
  • 17 0
 No weight data? How do I know if this bike is guilty of being light?
  • 3 0
 Sick.
  • 3 0
 underrated comment
  • 2 2
 Not light, judging by the specs. Add a dropper (must) and you will be around 14kg tubeless. GX+NX in the drivetrain inc BB - there is extra 500-600gm hiding; Chromag 32 spoke Alu wheels with burly hubs - extra 600gm vs lighter Alu or carbon build. Handle bar - CF will save 150gm, lighter seat - another100gm, lighter rotors -150gm. This is from experience of getting Norco's Fluid 24 down to 11.5kg from 13.5kg.
  • 2 0
 @Ph17ip: That was one of the reasons we didnt go with Fluid/Reaper. That and their stand over height was higher than the VPace..

the kid is still getting used to it but I will likely convert to tubeless asap. which may save another 1/4 pound from the wheels.
  • 2 0
 @fabwizard: I got a set of LB carbon 24" for my kids Clash. Big spend but worth it in terms of getting the weight down. Since my kid has been on a 20" he's been willing to climb anything and happily does big days out. As a result I'm happy to get him the equipment he needs to make the grind a bit easier given he weighs 60lbs. You have no idea how happy I am when I suggest hitting the park for a few hours and instead he's asking if we can grind out Sirloin/Flank and do Cheap Thrills instead.

A boy in his Zep group had a VPace last year. Super nice bike.
  • 1 0
 @fabwizard: We have VPace Max24 in the family for 2 years now. Couldn't order Moritz 2.0 despite begging - limited release, posting EU only etc. Norco Fluid's geo and suspension is unbeatable for 25 - 35kg person.
  • 1 0
 Ha!!! Amazing!!! Well done. Their music lives on
  • 1 0
 Kid's bikes will never be "light" as long as dads "test ride" them!
  • 1 0
 @Ph17ip: The Reaper is very similar to the Fluid as well.

My kid is just a tad over 20 kilos so the lighter Vpace with much lower stand over was the way to go. The Fluid is a great whistler bike but a bit heavy for climbing(4 pounds heavier than the VPace.)
  • 1 0
 @Ph17ip: what did you change? My son is on a 24 Fluid FS that weighs just over 14 kg with dropper. Was wondering if this would be any lighter but website has it at 13.6 with so doesn't seem like it.
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 @rodeostu This comment for president.
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 Agreed. For that kind of money you should be getting a bike that is at least sub 11kg, preferably sub 10kg. My son's 24 inch rigid Woom Off 5 is 8.6kg. The version with an air fork is 10kg. Surely they can make a 11kg fully for $4k???

For kids weight is what kills the experience. Same for adults to a certain extent, but if you only weigh 25-30kg then a bike that's half your weight is just silly.
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 @bleedingroastie: We bought Fluid FS 2 24. Wheels+Tyres+Tubeless is a must change. I'd say the rest is optional. Shorter cranks were also important for us.
1. Wheelset - Stan's crest rims with Bitex hubs -700gm
2. Tubeless+DHF/DHR tyres (we had Veetyre stock) -400gm. Lighter Recon will save another 200gm if big knobs are not required yet.
3. Cranks+BB - 135mm cranks and BB from VPace.de -380gm
4. Brakes – swapped basic tektro to deore -100gm, rotors – swapped to Ashima -100gm (7y.o. can use single finger)
5. Derailleur – XT instead of deore – 50gm (smashed original deore)
6. Seat – swapped to small ec90 padded carbon (Aliexpress) -150gm
7. Handlebar – oclv carbon (Aliexpress) -140gm
8. Grips - Controltech Testy Lock-On Grips – no weight saving, but these are the thinnest lock-ons.
9. Pedals – Vpace.de -80gm
10. Fork upgrade (to Expert Air) -60gm.

Over 2kg saved. Big difference for a 20-35kg person. Total budget close to Fluid FS 1 24 with better components and fit all around and 2kg lighter. Amazing bike, real enabler.
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 Love Chromag and its always great to see another company throw their hat into the ring. Unfortunately there are some bigtime misses with this bike. Especially for 3400$...Geometry and suspension are king and there are issues with both. Sure a highlevel grom can shred anything to a degree but these things matter a lot to a child on a 24" bike that's 70lbs

1- The rear-end is too long. It dumb for kids to have unbalanced bikes with long stays. It has a big impact on them riding dynamically, manualing, bunny hoping, jumping, pumping etc. We've seen plenty of bikes with long rear ends like this (giants old rigids, Spesh Riprock, etc). It has a serious impact and these are just too long and unbalanced.

2- HUGE miss in not going with the full Manitou/Hayes/Sunringle/Protaper JUnit line. They made a line of highend kid specific components that the best groms in the world are rocking...and Chromag goes with adult stuff??? Wth?

3- 27.5" Adult fork is dumb on a 24" kids bike. These 140mm forks already create a lot of too high stack...imagine a 27.5. Even more for 3400$. WAY more so when a JUnit fork is there for the taking and is built with their highend dual chamber air spring (critical for low PSI kids), custom kid tune, a nice damper in a compact light-ish build. Huge fail not spec'ing this at least.

4- The cranks are way too long for kids on a 24" bike. We've tested out 155mm cranks, way to long. 140mm is ideal and what most proper kids brands have gone too. I think these NX cranks are a whopping 165mm lol. If the spec is right and they are X1 cranks, we have these too...and they are too long at 155mm for sure. The kids knees came up above his seat.

5- The NX drive trains suck because the cassette is an unsprung (important weight) boat anchor and the hub standard can be limiting. A GX (maybe it has this and is typo?) with XD hub drive is what I'd want or a nice/decent 11sp Deore. I'm not sure 50t plate and long derailleur work well for groms anyways. Our 11sp 10-42 gets plenty of abuse...I can only imagine that GX eagle inches away from doom every ride. Groms thrash bikes in unimaginable ways.

6- Rockshox Shock tunes for kids bikes that I've seen don't work. Sure the leverage ratio for impact can work...but the rebound at super low PSI's (to get proper sag) makes things like maple syrup. I haven't messed with this personally but who knows...still I'd want something that's damn near ideal for this money.

7- 3400$ and no freaking dropper post?? Lame. Also, its a pain in the ass getting droppers for kids that actually work. Parents struggle to know which ones would even work for their weight. A KS Lev Integra is as good as it gets (ultra smooth at low weights...even for 50lb 6yro) or KS Lev Si.

8- Adult bars aren't great for kids. Hand pain and fatigue are real for groms doing big DH rides. With Protapers JUnit bars (multiple sized grips for different hand sizes) or SDG's nice bars/grips that are proper kid widths...its silly to skip over and just go with adult bars. They'll work fine, but its old school tech. For the price I'd want stuff that fit my kid since there are multiple component manufacturers making them just for kids. Same with the seat BTW.

9- Brakes are nice brakes but SRAM levers are too long for kids (I've tried this). Shimano's levers are better for sure or Maguras with shorter lever. Hayes Dominions are by far the best by a MILE along with their kids specific SFL lever...but no one spec's these so easy to overlook.

In the end, yeah kids can ride this and shred. I see kids doing nutty stuff on poorly spec'd bikes all the time but that doesn't mean those are proper fitted/spec bikes. But if it was my money with the current options out there for 3400$...hard pass on this. You can do better. Fwiw YT's Primus 24" is 1999$ at this moment for pre-order (Jan 2022). And the suspension and geometry (most important) are WAY better. Norco's FS1 is a much better spec as well in suspension and geo but like 3300$. I'd do that in a heartbeat over this silly thing. I can't stress enough how REDICULOUSLY nice that JUnit line is, especially the fork. Its beyond what most adults are riding today because of the internals and custom tune. There is literally nothing else that comes close to it. In a 26" yeah things get tricky, tho there is a kids 26" Reba I think that is nice (spawn used this). Norco FS1, Commencal Clash, YT Primus are all better bikes and cheaper. If we didn't expect/ask for more out manuf with kids bikes, we'd still be stuck with the Specialized Riprock junk. This feels like a fancy step back rather than a step forward.
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 This captures most of my take too.

For reference:

-Under 100% antisquat at even minimal sag and a forward axle path? Dude, move the main pivot up 10-20mm! WTF! Who designs for 80 or 90% antisquat for riders who *love* to stand up and mash and forget to shift a lot?

-64 HTA is going to make this hard for most kids to ride up anything in control. If your grom shreds A-line, fine, great bike for that. 95% of kids are basically doing XC, though, and this thing is going to wander all the heck over the place on anything that isn't fast/steep down. Maybe it's intended to be an enduro/DH sled only, I guess.

-The NX cranks are too long and can only take a 30t ring. A lot of kids are better off with a 26 or 28. Walking sucks even when your dad carries your bike. It sucks for your dad too, don't ask how I know.

-Shimano/SRAM minimum spec for 11 and 12 speed MTB drivetrains is around 42cm chainstay. You can go shorter and make it work but sometimes things do get funky (my daughter has a 39cm chainstay 24" full suspension bike and we had to take a cog off a 10 speed cassette to make it work well)

-Shimano brakes/levers are ideal for kids and the M6000 series stuff costs nothing, too.

-That J-Unit is a great fork and using a RS 27.5 is just bonkers. Kids like their bars high, but not that high. Might have been an availability issue, though - it took me 8 months to get that fork last year.

-The OneUp droppers work down to about 40 pounds and they're nice and short. Couple with the Wolf Tooth light action lever. The LEV is fine too, of course.

-There was no need to add complexity, cost, and weight with the 4-bar design here. A straight old school single pivot would have worked great and weighed less. And it wouldn't make as much noise/break as much when a kid drops it for the 80th time when she sees a shiny thing in the woods.

This compares unfavorably with other options already on the market. Bummer.

-W
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 @waltworks: Walt! You are the man, good points here. I have a couple of questions/experiences.

- My kids on a custom Clash 24" and a fairly high level grom (15ft gaps off 6ft near vert ramps by 2nd grade). Its a 65d HTA. He's a talented climber because of his genetics and bike handling skills...but the bike works well at everything so far, but hard to tell with kids. My thought was that, since these 20/24"kids forks are so short, that the slacker HTA has less of an impact because the front wheel isn't as far away from the hands as a long 29er fork. Wondering what your more expert take is? Perhaps a 64d hta on kids bike is more like a 65d HTA on a trail bike like 5010 etc?

- Fwiw we've been rocking a SRAM X01 10-42 11sp cassette with Shimano XT 11sp RD/Shifter. Its been flawless on the 390mm chainstays. Like really good.

-I tried a OneUp V2 Dropper recently for my younger kid and it wouldn't work at a PSI low enough to handle 55lbs. Return got stuck all the time and the lever was difficult with WT Light Action. The KS Lev was lightyears better and uber smooth. My younger 6yro kid can press it down with his hand. I also tried the little BikeYoke Rascal but its actuated by the housing, not the cable and on my sons bike the housing is VERY cramped and wouldn't move to actuate.
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 Great details. I think I just found a few likeminded people here.
Manitou suspension and other grom components are amazing.
We went with Vpace 135 cranks on Fluid 24 - amazing and huge weight saving along with BB (see my post above).
Agree on drive train - we went with 28 ring and 11-42 cassette and even 7 y.o. can climb techie stuff. Number of gears not as important (10 is plenty), range is. They do not need 50 plate.
Norco's trans-X light action dropper works well from 22-23kg. not sure if you can get it aftermarket, must be way cheaper than KS options.
Agree on bars - went with the thinnest lock-ons for the 10 y.o. and 7 y.o. has a bar tape instead of grips on standard bar.
Agree on brakes - we went with Deore on Fluid and Vpace comes with Maguras.
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 @Svinyard: I have experimented with my own kids with head angle, because I'm a dork. For (my) XC oriented 7 and 9 year old, super slack has minimal/no benefits that I can discern (they're not blasting through rough technical terrain at high speeds yet) and the wheel flop and steering problems going uphill are obvious to both me and to them. As compared to an adult rider, they're riding less technical stuff at lower speeds. Hence very slack/high trail numbers aren't very beneficial.

That said, every kid is different and they can adapt to almost anything.

Front center on this particular bike is probably something like 650mm (I'm too lazy to calculate it out but it'll be close to that) and on a medium/large adult bike it would be more like high 700s/low 800s for similar geometry. So disproportionately long (only ~15% shorter) for the kid as compared to saddle/bar height which is going to be MUCH lower - most of the kids that would fit on the the Minor Threat would probably be at ~50cm saddle height as compared to ~75 for an average adult male.

So in effect, it's like you/me riding a Pole or something similar. VERY long and slack. Now, that might be great for what you ride, but I think most people would agree it's not great for most people/situations.

That's weird that you couldn't make the OneUp dropper work. They have been great for my kids.

-W
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 @waltworks: "Maybe it's intended to be an enduro/DH sled only." This. You are all arguing about Chromag missing the mark for what you think is the right use case. They literally built this bike so their kids can ride what gets ridden locally. Turns out other kids ride the same stuff so they decided to sell the bike to those parents. Ergo the decisions they made. I'm going with the Chromag team knowing how to build bikes that can handle gnarly stuff. You can second guess geometry all you want but the bike is dialed to hit what it is dialed to hit and that's the big stuff and not just the bike park. Agree on the NX cranks but that's a function of OEM specc'ing and hitting price points.

The chirping from the cheap seats is missing the big picture. Company builds serious bike for kids who can utilize said bike. Some people may buy it for kids that can't utilize it - their money, their decision. Price point is freaking amazing relative to what the industry is at these days for kids bikes or adult bikes. Rather than giving them a high five for putting real energy into a total niche product y'all are complaining that it's not what you would have built. Easy solution to that...build your own.
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 @gb8561: Walt was just talking about the HTA as it relates to Use-case of DH/Enduro riding, which is fine. Fwiw Walt does make his own kids bike dude. Now this bike is built for kids like mine that rip DH/Enduro/Sends gnar better than most adults, my 2nd grader here youtu.be/CwnohpCG3EM. He's not even close to the best on his team. But that also means we've been around a zillion bikes and tested what works. I've seen kids on the Norco FS bikes (built for DH/Enduro as well) with 64d HTA doing fine on mellow and rowdy trails. That isn't the issue even though its a discussion point. Its not about building bikes for kids that shred, other brands already did that and did a much better job. We want it to continue to improve, not get worse. This is a step backwards. I like the front triangle a lot actually and HTA. Everything else is the issue, especially for the price.

For less money (YT is like 1300$ less) you can get a vastly superior spec. Even if price wasn't an issue you chose that (or others) over this. Plus the spec on this bike is actually flawed, not just "average". A 27.5 adult 140mm fork on a 24" bike is flat out stupid when the JUnit Pro 24" is there and freaking ridiculously nice. I can't stress this enough, the components they passed on are ridiculously nice, nicer than many adult components and purpose built for little ultra-shredders like Harry Schofield and everyone else. The rear triangle is flat-out too long, on both sizes. period. It has an impact on kids capabilities and their ability to develop important fundamentals. No kids bike is perfect, but this one just has way to many issues. The whacky rear triangle and the junky suspension (relative to others) can't be overlooked. Sure its fine, but hell Little Shredders (awesome pioneering dude) did a better job at this a DECADE ago in his garage with custom tuned Fox suspension and decent geometry. This is a big step down from even that old school rig (which some of was built for Goldstone's DH riding at one point).

I think its important to highlight design issues (its PB after all), especially for kids scene because most parents don't know what works and what doesn't. The reality is that its just better to support a brand who didn't half-ass the spec and mess up some critical geometry. Your kid will be riding a much better bike and you'll likely save a bit of cash.
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 @Svinyard: Cool. What's important is getting kids riding. At the end of the day if they are into it they can make do with most anything. For me this bike ticks all the boxes for the kind of stuff my kid likes to ride. If you're ever up this way look me up and we can take the kids for a ride. I think they are about the same age. You and I can argue over HTA's while they drop us.
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 @gb8561: Ha, yeah I'm dropped in a hot minute unfortunately. That'd be fun once they open the borders. Thankfully my 6yro I can hang with. We've gone hard at "getting kids to ride" here locally by building some sick Bike Skills Parks with jump lines etc with about 60k$ raised & built (not all my efforts). They are BMX/DJ focused simply because its so accessible for everyone since everyone can usually afford a cheap BMX. And nothing teaches kids skills like a BMX and we get new communities of people bikes which is fun. Actually I'm part of a meeting with Vans tomorrow to scope out a project...and hoping they help fund Smile .

If you've got time to wait, this Clash is pretty sick pre-order for gnarly stuff. They fixed the cranks too over the years (nice light ones now 145mm), KS dropper, SDG kids seat, Protaper kids bars/grips, sick geo, JUnit Pro 145mm 24" (lighter lowers and better spring than ours), nice Spank wheels, solid/tunable RS Super Deluxe that'll handle longer DH runs and has the nicer Debonair setup that works better for low PSI, Shimano brakes, Maxxis tires etc. Hardly anything to replace. Basically a nice custom build. 3899$ CAD

www.commencalcanada.com/PBSCCatalog.asp?ActionID=67174912&PBCATID=3872710
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 @Ph17ip: have you looked at SDG Slater or ProTaper bars and grips, they are both smaller diameter bars designed for kids.
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 @dinosaurmonkey: Yes, I saw that SDG has a line of nice kids-sized components, however 300gm+ weight penalty on the pedals+seat+bar combo stopped me.
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 Love the bike, love the company, love the concept, jealous of the kid's skills. But as an old hardcore kid who saw both the Cro-Mags and Minor Threat a bunch of times back in the day, this video needed better/more appropriate music
boingboing.net/2020/06/09/watch-a-bunch-of-5th-graders-s.html
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 Totally jealous of you being able to see them.
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 WHAT ABOUT THE BAND!!!???
  • 8 1
 For all the people hating on kids, I suggest you sell your bikes and stop breathing our air. I'm no scientist, but unless you were created in a lab, everyone in the comment section was once a child too. Watching kids learn how to shred is quite possibly more fun than actually doing the act yourself - regardless if it's a free dumpster bike, or that sweet new Chromag. If you can afford it - why wouldn't you?
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 I love kids. I've owned 3 of them. Only 1 remains under my control.
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 One small step for man, One Giant leap for child-kind.
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 Chromag not Giant
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 You mean…..out of step??!!
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 The bike name is amazing. I wonder how Ian Mackay feels about it? He obviously doesn't mind. Most people on this board have probably never heard of the straight edge hardcore band from the 1980's called Minor Threat, the precursor band to Fugazi. If you haven't heard these bands prepare to get blown away...This bike name opened a whole lot of amazing memories from when I was a grom punk.
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 Im loving this. And Id love to believe Ian is fine with a bike for groms.
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 good tune but imagine if the video was cut to minor threat!!! Razz nice screen name too :horns:
  • 8 1
 Cool name for this bike. I didn't bother reading (I like pictures) but assume someone was thinking of the angry punk band from many moons ago when they named it
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 One of the most influential bands to the genre…..and to other genres too. Love it
  • 5 0
 The whole thing with whining about how expensive “bikes” are is such bullshit. If you want a bitchin’ rig with all the squish that shit costs money. You can always get a simple, but less capable, bike for way less. The crux is that we have a sport where equipment tech makes a big difference in performance on the trail, but the cost of that tech ain’t cheap and leaves some folks behind from a $ standpoint who might otherwise want it. The bellyaching is about social structure, not the value of a cutting edge bike. We can’t just get angry at folks for being able to afford something we can’t. Jealousy is pretty ugly, and the big picture implications of “complaining” that we can only afford a $500 kids bike and not a $3,000 kids bike are subtle at best.
  • 5 0
 Thats it, twice in less than a week i see kids shredding harder than I do. Selling all of my bikes, gonna take up bird watchin'.
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 I don't suggest bird watching, you'd probably suck at it.
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 There's honor in getting beaten at biking by kids, but nothing can redeem the shame of being beaten at bird watching by a 12 year old.

Kid: "There's a Red Crested Joat's Warbler"

Adult: (scurries off, finds old bike listed on PB Buy/Sell for the national debt of Bolivia & cries).
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 @rodeostu:

Dunno. I currently destroy them on bikes, and they tell me to shut up about the birds…

We are doomed
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 Hi Cromag, hopefully you at least reached out to Ian MacKaye to see if he was OK with you using the name?

gothamist.com/food/mackaye-mildly-endorses-minor-threat-hot-sauce
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 Of my teenage musical heroes, Ian MacKaye has probably aged the best, with Jello Biafra a close second. As shown below, the rest did not get better with age:

Johnny Rotten: Gained 100 pounds and swung to the looney right.
Henry Rollins: Got much crabbier with age.
Morrissey: See Johnny Rotten
H.R. - Hit over the head repeatedly with the crazy homophobia stick.
  • 6 0
 @rodeostu: at the end of the day, even punk rocker boomers are still boomers.
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 @rodeostu: Ian was always a sensitive soul with empathic sensibilities. Never goes out of style.
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 @rodeostu: I have to say, Milo Aukerman handled his shit quite well... Singer for the Descendants, I think he co-managed Epitaph records.... ad there's that PhD in molecular biology...... Milo really DID go to college.
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 @rodeostu: HAHA Jello's mind is still good, but he's a funny looking frumpy ol geezer. I see him around town on the reg. So am I though.....
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 @rodeostu: props given for Henry Rollins comment. I could never put my finger on it, but you nailed it. Dude just got crabbier and it was just hard to watch / listen to.
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 Hm, totally like the kids bike approach, but the bike underneath papa Ian isn't a hardtail either. Doesn't need to mean anything, but I guess it would have been easy to put in another image with him on a said brand hardtail or to not show this particular image at all...
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 I thought the same thing.. Humm, what is Dad riding? What a tease of hopefully things to come. I have started saving my pennies already...
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 I missed the sizing, is Chromag offering this in a 10XL? Asking for a kid in my neightbourhood.
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 I'm going to need a 12 Husky, sadly.
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 Nice bike Chromag and love the name. Have two kids both of whom ride and race (a boy and a girl so nice comment @norcobicycles!) My kids are on XS adult bikes now and both of their Ripcords served them briliiantly and have gone on to other families. Good kids bikes make a huge difference to great days out and epic rides together. The $ can be high (and there are a range of choices out there) but you can get a good amount of that back when you sell on and some families also see a bike go down through a number of kids.
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 Make due with what you have. Take what you can get. Pay no mind to us.
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 No messing around from Chromag here, proper geometry & proper components. Brilliant.
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 hat link/suspension design looks super familiar. Like there is an 29" version of it somewhere on the market. The easy match is the Nicolai lineup, but I've seen it on a Taiwanese frame as well...

EDIT: Also the On One Codiene
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 The real question is did they proto it with plywood? Great to see kids specific stuff. The price stings a bit but if they love it I spent that on soccer and basketball almost every season and you can sell the bike when they outgrow it.
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 Asking for permission to use the name or paying "royalties" to Dischord seems like the least punk thing you could do.

It's just a tip of the hat to the band, hopefully more kids check them out.
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 If my kids only sport was mountain biking, maybe this might be worth the price. But if most kids are like my kid, they enjoy several sports and 3,000 bike means forcing them to make a choice to abandon other sports they love which I am not willing to do. The bike is pretty sweet but is unnecessary to enjoy riding or ripping trails. there are lower cost alternatives that will be just fine.
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 I wish my kid deserved a bike like this
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 This is a very nice, Asian made, generic 4 bar link, children's bike, with modern front triangle geometry.
Regarding the statement in the post "Aluminum has a lower strength-to-weight ratio than steel".
This is absolutely untrue.
Material properties:
6066 aluminum yield strength = 359 Mpa & density = 2.72 g/cc
4130 steel yield strength = 435 Mpa & density = 7.85 g/cc
6066 aluminum has a strength to weight ratio that is 240% times that of 4130 alloy steel.
The incredible strength to weight ratio of some aluminum alloys is one of the reasons that make it so well suited to bicycle (and aircraft) components.
Other properties of aluminum that make it favorable to steel for bicycles are its superior corrosion resistance and ease with which to cast, forge and machine. It is also easily weldable and a low cost material.
The principal advantages of steel over aluminum are it is very low cost and ease of welding. This is why the absolute cheapest bicycles are always made with a steel frame, and as many steel parts as possible, and why these cheap bikes are so heavy.
There are of course many very well designed and made steel frames, like Chromag, but for bicycles frames, when you compare the numbers, aluminum is the better material.
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 Where's the dropper? From the Chromag site it says "When we first decided to make a kids bike, the idea was simple. Why not put everything the grown-ups want, into a pint sized equivalent. Queue: The Minor Threat."

"I don't need a dropper on my enduro bike that has an Eagle drivetrain" - said nobody ever.
  • 3 1
 For shorter people, could we eventually see someone running the S2 as a slope bike, maybe add a different rear shock, or blast it to max psi!
  • 2 0
 pure win for urban freeride
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 I love Chromag and own a lot of their stuff...but it's pretty disappointing to see their first full squish bike...is a kids bike. *sad trombone"
  • 2 0
 Look at photo of the kid and Ian Ritz, look at Ian's bike.
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 Waiting for the "Major Threat" to drop for all of us full grown big dawgs ripping out there who want to fly the mag flag but need a full sus whip.
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 As a "not rich parent" here but any adult can be rich by setting a goal and SAVING... teaching your child the same will work wonders for their future

- im struggling struggling with both points Razz
- i own a "dentist" carbon fiber bike whose name shall remain untyped

cheers!
  • 5 2
 My boy would be stoked to have one of these.
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 So sick, love seeing more full suspension bikes for the little rippers.
  • 3 0
 I can't keep up, I can't keep up!
  • 2 0
 Damn I might need to get one of those for my daughter. My son has a Spawn waiting for him to get a big bigger.
  • 3 0
 OK so who's the Ian MacKaye fan?
  • 1 0
 Hopefully they pronounce it like Aye-Aye Cap/n.
  • 3 0
 I really fell for that rick roll
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 Love that these bikes are made for lil shredders, but neither of my sons make any money
  • 3 0
 This move is out of step with the world.
  • 1 0
 The S2 looks to be sized bigger than adult xs 27.5 bikes. Would like a weight figure here too. More players in the market is always good though.
  • 1 0
 I just bought a marin rift zone in XS for my 11 year old. It should work for 3 years or so, 27.5 and boost, what's not to love.
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 What a bloody brilliant name.
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 Should be Kids' bike, not Kid's bike.
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 Love the colour. What a bike!
  • 3 0
 I'm seeing red
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 @suspended-flesh: All I see is red!
  • 3 1
 Kid sized telemetry kits incoming?
  • 4 2
 Best bike name ever, well done Chromag!
  • 2 1
 after reading the bike name I was super excited for the soundtrack on the promo video, not the track I was expecting.
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 Yeah, they could have at least used punk instrumentals without lyrics if they needed to leave it kid-friendly.
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 10-50 cassette on 24' wheels?
other that that - top! will be sold out like a hot cakes;
  • 2 0
 My son has the 9-50 on his 24" and he says he can climb a tree.

Seriously, the gearing really helps if you do a lot of climbing.
  • 2 0
 @fabwizard: 26 front, 9-50 rear on my 8 year old's bike. He climbs anything. Will grind out Dark Crystal without stopping. Best upgrade I made on the bike.
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 Plus 125 mm (?) Trailcraft cranks. Those were another upgrade we’ll worth the dough.
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 @gb8561: Used the spawn version on my sons vertex. Cranks were waaaay to long.
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 @gb8561: i wish i could get a hold of 155mm boost compatible anything right now.
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 Spawn site says July. Check with them.
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 @fabwizard: their stuff is a liittle narrow for a boost frame unfortunately
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 @fruitsd79: could you just use their crank on your spindle?
  • 1 0
 Nice bike. Looks well thought out all around. If your an avid MTB family investing in your kids pays dividends.
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 My daughter just turned two. If I put in my order now I should get it by the time she's 8. And it'll almost be paid off too.
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 Will this bike work for a 210lbs 6 foot child?
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 scale it up to adult size, make it steel and affordable, and take my money chromag
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 Waiting for the adult version. Fugazi
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 Where's the juice box holder?
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 Im already getting humiliated by kids on the trail, I dont need them to have a cooler bike than me aswell ...
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 Maybe now the tire manufacturing will make 16 tires again for us old school holdouts.
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 26 tires. Damn small keyboard on the phone.
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 Sorry that price point is ridiculous. Marin has the Rift Zone Jr 24" and 26" at $1800 US.

And it is a great ride!
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 Frame only would have been nice
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 24 ain't dead!
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 Great bike for those shorter riders lol
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 I have too many better ways to spend $4k. Thanks though
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 I'm seeing red
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 Kiddie weld porn
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 I knew I should have kept my small ironhorse Sunday
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 some guy is gonna buy the 26er and use it as a bike park dj bike
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 MT was a great band.
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 Hot topic
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 Hahaha, this was the big announcement we all had to wait for, hahahaha
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 Frick yeah!!
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