Video: Cody Kelly Brings his Signature Style to eMTBs

Jun 9, 2020
by Justin Olsen  


bigquotesThis might just be my favorite bike these days! I was honestly hooked from the very first descent on just how capable the bike is! It flicks around corner's, changes directions, jumps, and maneuver's so similar to the "classic bikes" we've all ridden and loved for years now, that you forget you're on a turbo assisted bike. Then you turn to go back up the hill and it gives you that little extra pep that lets you go for longer rides and or (my personal favorite), gets you into new zones you may have not have been to explore otherwise. Basically, it's a big task to finish a ride on this thing without a smile on your face.Cody Kelly





263 Comments

  • 77 4
 Cody Kelley could make an elliptigo look stylish, nice edit man! E-bikes aren't my thing yet, but it's looking like they'll be damn fun by the time my knees give out
  • 15 3
 There was a bike in this edit? I was distracted by Cody's hair. I can't believe how long it's gotten since the pandemic. #CovidHair
  • 12 0
 will be madness when skynet is taking over and the ebikes start to kill their owners...best looking ebike in the bizz that levo
  • 27 0
 Tippie and two lasses passed me riding e-bikes last friday on a climb up Seymour - they passed me like I was standing still. As i continued to climb for another 40mins (and reflect) E-bikes started to make more sense.....more ups means more down. hhhhhmmmmmmmm
  • 8 1
 @lastminutetech: YESSSS, embrace teh dark side. I've had my levo for a month and my climbing and descending skills are starting to improve dramatically from a plateau I'd been trapped in for years.
  • 5 0
 @pbfan08: Yep, I've had a '19 and now '20 Commencal for 18 months now and have been way more fit and gotten way more riding in.
  • 8 0
 I tried the specialized on a demo day and as much as I wanted to hate it I couldn't quit smiling.
  • 7 2
 @pbfan08: I'm not an e-bike hater, but to say your climbing skills have improved is a little silly, no? You're getting up trails you weren't able to before, because you have a motor, not because your skills improved. Or am I missing something here?
  • 7 0
 @rrolly: I ride more, and longer, so while the strain isn't the same I'm riding on my off days as well as going longer on "real ride" days. I'm also tackling sections that were just a little over my head technically on the ebike first for climbs, and then after that confidence boost I've then cleared those same sections on my normal bike(its like playing a video game on easy, then slowly increasing the difficulty vs starting on hard). Also the increased amount of laps you do definitely improves your descending ability.

EDIT: And the most unanticipated benefit, exploring. You will get bored lapping your normal trails fast, and start exploring stuff that you think, "may not be worth the pedal" on your normal bike if you have options around you. I've actually found a lot of really cool trails doing this.
  • 2 0
 @pbfan08: All of that makes sense, except that confidence boost does not equal skill, does it? It's interesting what you put forward, but I don't think that would apply to my local trails. There are a couple that I have never cleaned. I try every month. But it's definitely not a confidence issue. It's fitness and skill.

Glad you're having fun though!
  • 3 0
 @rrolly: That is the best part, these things are 1000% unadulterated fun.
  • 66 4
 Honestly, this bike is kind of a game changer imo. Same weight as an overbuilt enduro, same dynamics, just enough boost to get you a couple more runs than your would otherwise. Just a killer concept all around.
  • 24 1
 Yea I was dreaming of an e-bike, this one specifically, while climbing yesterday....Maybe the marketing is getting me, maybe I'm just getting older.
  • 3 1
 It does look sick and doesnt look like an e-bike lead weight when being shredded, maybe a small amount at the start of the video, but after that it looks rad.
  • 8 4
 I'm still having trouble digesting the fact that I've got to spend an additional 2000-5000 dollars on an ebike frame compared to a conventional frame. These are already wear items for me that don't realistically last for more than a few years. Like, who are these for?
  • 7 0
 @jayacheess: you wear out a frame in 2 years? You know you can get it rebuilt with new bearings?
  • 4 3
 @iantmcg: I've replaced my current frame bearings 3 or 4 times now on a 2017 bike. PNW muck riding and all that.

Realistically, my bike is fine and should last more years, but it's just generally banged up from years of abuse and crashes. If it was a carbon frame, it would have been shot to shit already.
  • 6 3
 I love mine. It’s the future (now?). Only reason to have a normal bike is for trails that don’t allow IMO. You can run with the battery off and it’s rides like a heavier trail bike. Remove the internal battery and the weight is right there.
  • 2 0
 @jayacheess: They are for the people that are willing to pay for them....just like that $7000 regular bike that will be worth $700 in ten years.
  • 1 0
 @jayacheess: nice sounds like you get after it more than me. I get a little fair weather in the rainy season, most our trails are too dam greasy to be much fun in the winter, but sometimes you gotta scratch that itch. I can usually get 2 years out of frame bearings
  • 11 3
 @jayacheess: Nobody is putting a gun to your head that you have to buy it.

Me personally? I'm a dad of a toddler, my riding time is not infinite. So if it means getting 6 downhill runs instead of 4 at the local non-lift bike park, that's a pretty sweet deal. And if my evening rip gets me 15 miles of single track instead of 10, that's another win. Don't have an ebike now, but getting more downhill reps for the same amount of effort/time seems like the entire point of this kind of bike.
  • 4 0
 @foggnm: For sure, but we're really in to absurd price territory, here. I can buy a top of the line 2020 450 motorcross bike for LESS than a lot of these emountain bikes.

Like, the Honda CRF450R Works Edition is 4000 dollars (!) less than the Levo S-works. What in the sweet f*ck.
  • 7 0
 @roma258: I'm not bummed on the functionality. I'm concerned that the industry is using the functionality to take us all for a ride on the price.
  • 1 0
 @jayacheess: hahaha so true.
  • 10 2
 @roma258: lots of us Dads ride good ol’ mountain bikes. The reason you provide is marketing that has convinced you of a need.
  • 4 0
 @CircusMaximus: as a father of 2 little ones in some ways the thought of getting in a bit more riding in the limited time I have through the use of an evoke is appealing. But the thought of getting In a bit less of a workout in a limited amount of time is not so much. Though no real choice for me, the 4 after work riding spots I have are all non motorized. Got to drive an hour and a half to to moto trails so no real debate at this point.
  • 2 1
 @roma258: sorry one more thing. Take it from me, you’ll wish you had all of that $ back that you spent on an ebike, once your child needs clothes/shoes/whatever, every 6 months!
  • 4 0
 @CircusMaximus: Just wait til your mid 30s to have kids. All your friends will unload their old clothes on you. Have literally spent like 200 dollars on clothes in 3 years
  • 1 0
 @iantmcg: haha well that’s true too. Didn’t have my first kid until I was 40...
  • 2 0
 @betsie: When you start seeing EMTB's weighing 37lbs like the Levo SL, and many regular pedal bikes now weighing at least 32lbs, the weight difference is now becoming somewhat a mute point. The new Forestal Siryon with more suspension travel (170mm) and more downhill oriented but still very light for a EMTB also looks very interesting when it becomes available this fall. EMTB's are really helping to push mountain bike tech now and can't wait to see where we are in the next couple of years...
  • 2 0
 @CircusMaximus: that could be said for any bike. If you shop around, you can get a comparable spec ebike for similar money. My merida e160 was 3700 because it was last years model and I wasn't bothered about the shiny new carbon front triangle. Full xt drivetrain and brakes (only 2 pots but swapping calipers was super easy) super deluxe rear shock, lyric rc fork, dropper post, dt swiss 350 hubs, maxxis 3c exo 2.8 minion dhr2s, only real complaints are non icetec rotors, it's only a 125mm dropper, and the standard bar and stem were a bit of a wierd shape and pretty stiff (10deg back, 5 up, 35mm clamp), but the rotors and dropper are preference and haven't been changed yet, and I just threw the atlas bar and stem off my old bike in there and it's made a massive difference. I don't feel I paid extra for the ebike, there's many similar priced normal bikes with full xt and lyriks. Bar the carbon frame, it's arguably better specced than my mates spec enduro expert, which was the same rrp. Specialized are particularly bad for pricing, not just on ebikes either, the levo sl is rediculously bad value tbh, compare it to the pivot shuttle (lightest full power ebike) and you'll see where they skimp, I mean, there's nothing wrong with the roval wheels and the specialized branded bar, stem, seat, post and tyres, but I can't help but feel it feels cheap compared to a bike with true aftermarket spec components (raceface, spank, renthal etc), plus getting guide rs brakes on a £5200 bike is pathetic if you ask me, people whinge about the price of santa cruzs but they at least spec top level stuff and use the same level cassette and chain, so many companies say 'x01 Eagle drivetrain' and its a gx cassette and chain and a x1 shifter.
  • 4 1
 @CircusMaximus: Whoah, kids cost money!? No way!!!

Again, nobody is forcing you to buy these bikes. Why do you care if they makes sense for some people who are not you?
  • 8 1
 @roma258: you’re right. I shouldn’t care. And really, ride what ya like. It’s the reasons people state that are funny. Ebikers like to announce the reasons they are switching over. Then ebikers get annoyed when mountain bikers point that out.
Ride what ya like. You’re right.
BUT this is a forum for opinions so get used to it. Cheers.
  • 1 0
 @RowdyAirTime:

Double Post :/.
  • 6 0
 @CircusMaximus: for sure, opinions are like a*sholes, everybody's got one. Just your framing was weird. Like someone is literally forcing you to buy one. Which, again, not the case. And for the record, I'm not an ebiker. I'm ecurious Smile
  • 4 0
 @iantmcg: Haha, just wait. I went through the same thing with my 3 kids. Eventually those hand me downs dry up and you have to shop. A lot.
My kids are 16 and up now, and trust me, they only get more expensive as they get older!
  • 2 0
 @Poulsbojohnny: oh I know it is coming. With 2 girls I am under no assumption they will be willing to go with hand me downs forever. But I will keep on with the hand me downs as long as I can
  • 6 0
 @Poulsbojohnny: the best way to avoid all this extra expense, is to just simply pull out...lol
  • 3 0
 @RowdyAirTime: speaking from experience that is not always a good strategy
  • 2 0
 iantmcg: ha, ha, when we don't have the experience, that's when we should not speak, but unfortunately this is often overlooked by some people... My meaning was "to always pull out BEFORE HAND", not after as that would be just cruel and unkind...
  • 7 1
 @CircusMaximus: 1000km a month in squamish and whistler on e-mtb and clothes etc are cheap, ride more have FUN
  • 1 0
 @roma258: When I get an e bike it will be for this reason.
  • 6 0
 @jayacheess: Who are they for? Anyone who loves two wheels in general.
I pre-ordered a Gen 1 Levo and got it mid 2016 and with the exception of a battery issue ( which Spesh death with no questions asked) it's been bullet proof and still runs awesome.

Once the novelty wore off I've found that I use it less for myself BUT my wife rides it while I ride a normal bike and she can keep up.
I tow my two nephews ( who are 9 and 11) further and up steeper terrain than their little legs can realistically handle.
I have a MacRide seat for my own two year old and we ride trails almost every day and finally I use it to lug equipment and get deep to do trail work.

It's an indispensable tool in my shed.
  • 3 0
 Agreed. I rode it and it handles like a normal bike plus you still really do have to work a bit which is nice. If I had the cash I'd be in in a heartbeat.
  • 1 0
 @Dustfarter: My question was more about how reasonable it is to spend thousands of dollars more than already over-priced mountain bikes on something that is essentially disposable.

I guess 'disposable' depends on how hard you ride it and in what kind of conditions, though.
  • 1 0
 @jayacheess: And what your bank account looks like Smile
I've flogged my Levo on SoCal's roughest and techiest and it's taken it like a champ but we don't have the wet that you're blessed with....
  • 6 0
 @norona: ????just put 1000km on my levo sl in pemberton/whistler in the past month. Best investment I ever made.
  • 5 0
 @roma258: Yup. Don’t have $ for Levo, but with 2 kids and anything but free time, it’s on my short list of dream machines. Weight, performance and looks are all on-point. Lots of riders won’t even know I’m on an eBike too, which is a plus...
  • 1 0
 @norona: congratulations there...
  • 1 1
 @CircusMaximus: not marketing, truth. Open your mind.
  • 4 0
 @CircusMaximus: True that. Also pedaling is good for staving off heart disease and other health issues that may keep one from making the jump from Dad to Grand Dad.
  • 5 0
 @norona: if i rode 1000km/ month i wouldnt need to worry about the kids as the wife would take them when she left me......
  • 6 2
 @onemind123: that is the beauty of the e-mtb i ride at 6;30 to 8-8:30 24-32km then head to the water and e-foil for an hour, back at 11 am after coffee, trade off with my wife at 12;30 so she can e-mtb and work and enjoy life, , i bike, hike, skate etc with my 4 yr old, then i am back out on the bike for the power hour e-mtb, or trials or moto in the eve, you get a better cardio workout, faster workout, harder trails up, and have more fun, anyone who argues has not ridden one, like circusmax, and or is not their yet, in life your a leader or a follower, i prefer being a leader, been riding e-mtb for 3 years with over 18,000km on them.
  • 2 1
 A complete S-Works Levo SL in size small weighs 40 lbs. A little ways off from an "overbuilt enduro" still.
  • 2 0
 @seraph: According to the review by bicycling.com, an S-Works Levo SL weighs 36.5lbs for a size Medium, and many overbuilt enduro bikes now weigh over 32-34lbs, so not really a big difference...

www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=levo+sl+sworks+weight
  • 2 0
 I like the idea of an ebike but I am put off by the price and the weight. The ones I could look at maybe buying are still in the 23kg range, which is far too heavy. The light ones, like this one here, are out of my price range. If I had that kind of money kicking about I would buy a motorbike, which I could also use to go to to work on. And it could also go 100mph.

There is the second hand option, but I am put off by word of mouth on battery & motor life. One guy I know had an S-Works Levo and rode with a group of ebike guys for a couple of winters. He said that batteries only last a year before the performance is noticably worse... there's another £800 you need to spend. Then with the Brose motor he said "some" of his mates had problems with the actual motor itself dying iside the warranty period. Spesh changed the motors FOC under warranty but from what he was saying, two years is considered to be the expected lifespan of the motor. What happens after 4 years when the warranty replacement craps itself? You have to buy another one for God knows how much, or basically give the bike away because it's pretty much worthless without a properly functioning motor.

That idea of towing my son up onto the moors is very appealing though, along with the multiple laps you can do in a given time. Also you could go to a bikepark and just pay the entrance fee instead of the shuttle fee and run laps on the cheap. At a place like Danny Hart's where they only run uplift on the weekend (or not at all during a pandemic) the ebike would be a solid choice - if you could afford it.

I think cost is the primary factor, then weight. It's not the performance so much.
  • 5 0
 @jaame: the weight only comes in when lifting over gates, you can't notice anything adverse about it when riding, if anything they're more stable because of the lower centre of gravity, I know I can ride mine faster than any other bike I've ever had bar my old nukeproof scalp, but it'll help me get back up for another run.

As far as cost goes, just trawl the sales. In effect I didn't pay for the electric parts on my bike, 1500 knocked off because it was a 2019 model I got in November 2019.

If you're bothered about reliability, get a yamaha or shimano unit, they're the two most reliable, there's 4 or 5 of us who have shimano (all stemming from one guy going 'here have a go on mine' and the rest of us falling in love) and they've all been flawless over probably 6 or 7k miles now.

And towing someone is insane fun, I towed my mate up a field climb that usually takes him 25 minutes to push up, and me 5 minutes to ride. It took maybe 8 minutes. Apart from going a bit slower than usual, I couldn't tell I was towing best part of 100kg.
  • 2 0
 @inked-up-metalhead: I rented a Levo for a day. I enjoyed it, but I felt that it wasn't a bike a wanted to buy at that particular time. I agree about the speed downhill, it was fast because it was heavy and had big tyres that I would normally never use. I did feel that the weight was a factor for like messing around popping off bits at the sides of the track, doing manuals and whatnot. It was very hard to manual, which could have been partly the geo because I think they have a really long back end too. Also it made a creaking noise when padalled as the battery moved in the frame.

I will get one, one day. Maybe in 3-5 years when you can get a CVT one with no derailleur, that weighs around 7kg. Then I would be more tempted to buy. The motor brings significant advantages, so drivetrain efficiency becomes less of a factor. I think a CVT system like that FInnish one that was on here the other day is a much better solution than a traditional setup.

One day...
  • 2 0
 @jaame: yeah the older levo weren't the best geometry for dynamic riding, only the xl had a longer reach than the chainstays, but that was by 1mm, 459mm chainstays, the medium frame is a 419 reach, large 439 xl 460. My merida is 439 chainstays and 460 reach, feels very natural, I can lift the front end as easily as any other bike, it just took a few rides to get used to it, and the biggest difference when riding is my bunny hop height has halved, from about 18-24 inches down to 9-12, but I think wheelbase comes onto that, this bike is 4 inch longer than my old one, just need to practice more lol.

And I do like the idea of a cvt, assuming it's not automatic, changing gears while under power isnt a pleasant experience, it usually results in a bit of clunking, I wish I could afford to upgrade to di2 shifting, it communicates with the motor and backs off the power when you change gear. Plus I'd love to have shifting without a shifter, I got the e7000 mode selector, I'd like to use the same one for gears, just 4 little buttons for power and gears.
  • 7 0
 @jaame: It seems like even regular pedal bike prices have gotten out of control, as many top end builds (X01 and XX1 AXS) now range between CAD $11,000-$14,000. I agree, EMTB's pricing can be even higher, as the S-Works Levo SL is $17,000 CAD and the Founder's Edition is CAD $20,000. Really??? I like that the Levo SL brings the weight down to 36.5lbs which is a big breakthrough in the ebike industry, but these kind of prices are outrageous.

I have a 2018 Focus Jam2 Pro (came with XT Di2 build, Shimano motor, Race Face rims) that I bought new but at year end for CAD $7,000 and it weighs just under 43lbs. Although it is quite light for a full power EMTB, I definitely still notice the weight difference, as my regular pedal bikes are both dentist builds; 120mm travel XC/trail bike Scott Spark SL (23.1lbs) and my 2019 Giant Trance Advanced Pro 29 0 (26.4lbs). On the downhills, the extra weight of my EMTB is usually not a hindrance and can actually can help sometimes. On the jumps, etc, my regular pedal bikes are definitely more playful and fun to pop off stuff, but if your EMTB is not too heavy and has relatively short chainstays, EMTB's can also be fun to jump, etc, but takes more effort and control.

Th biggest bonus with a EMTB is not having to strain yourself pedaling up really steep climbs to enjoy the downhills and you also can get more downhill runs in. With more uphill runs, more downhill runs and the extra weight, I''m not sure how people can say that ebikes are not a workout. Due to this, an EMTB can actually give you a better upper body workout and if you pick a lower power assist mode, your lower body also gets a great workout after riding further, longer and faster than you ever thought possible...
  • 1 0
 @iantmcg: two years?! I haven’t owned a carbon frame I haven’t broken within a month.... and that’s 5 different bikes from different brands...
  • 4 0
 @jayacheess: you’re totally right. I’ve been down the Moto road with 2 boys and I racing, our own practice track, practice bikes, race bikes, etc. the bike is the cheapest part of this equation. There’s way more to buy and maintain on a dirt bike and a lot less places to ride them where we live. We’ve switched almost entirely to MTB at this point. Although we don’t have e bikes, I could see getting some. I have a family of 5 riding so that would be a big jump for all of us. Between the effort it takes to go race all weekend and the cost and the injuries and the overall time commitment motocross is tough to keep going and a lot more expensive than the initial cost of the bike. I’ve heard this a lot on here and thought I’d finally throw out my 2 cents.
  • 1 0
 @txcx166: Very good points, of course.

I still think the mtb industry is taking us for a bit of a ride on pricing, though.
  • 1 0
 @txcx166: Yes, good points. MotoX bikes definitely have a lot of costs even after the initial purchase. I started with a 50cc, then a 80cc, then finally got into the bigger 125 and 250cc 2 strokes (Honda & Suzuki). I was always using the most expensive highest fuel grade (94 octane), fuel additives, 2 stroke oil, spark plugs, oil changes, always changing sprocket, chain, rear tires, top end rebuilds, maintenance, etc. Also I had to have a truck and drive further in order to just go for a ride. However, no doubt dirt bikes are so much fun and worth the expense if you can do it and live near areas that you can ride.

I would love to get another dirt bike, but probably won't. They are definitely very expensive to own and to keep well maintained, but biggest problem now is they are not as easy to ride in as many places as it was back in the 80's, 90's and early 2000's. I now ride MTB only (2 regular pedal bikes and an EMTB). All 3 bikes of my bikes have carbon frames, carbon bars and carbon wheels and I've had no problems at all. Love the weight, strength and ride feel of carbon. I will say the maintenance of MTB's is nothing compared to dirt bikes, so keep that in mind if you are thinking of trying MotoX...
  • 2 0
 @roma258: I just read it like he was saying it's more marketing than someone creating something we've all needed.
  • 3 1
 @jayacheess: i hate on e bikes mainly because it makes me feel superior that i ride "real" bikes. i'm way better than those dentists and joeys who dont know anything about mtb. i only verbally assault e bike riders in public, which is fine, right?
  • 1 0
 @cuban-b: You should probably read some of my other comments in this thread. I'm not anti-ebike.
  • 2 0
 @cuban-b: FREEDOM!
  • 1 0
 @iantmcg: bang on ! haha
  • 3 0
 @jayacheess: i am anti e bike. i shame others from riding them mainly because i am ashamed of being seen on one. it's how i deal with insecurity when interacting with the general public. it's much easier for me to blame others for their preferences than for me to take accountability for my own behavior.
  • 84 46
 To the first person that makes a 'moped' comment... we get it, you don't want an e-bike, however, those that have them are out there riding them and having an absolute blast (me included) and we don't care if you don't like them!
  • 137 7
 Sounds like maybe you care a little
  • 22 3
 What about the second person?
  • 24 4
 Are you by any chance Big, Big Tim?
  • 19 2
 The lady doth protest to much, methinks.
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 Mopped
  • 11 0
 @ybsurf: What got mopped? I did my floors yesterday Wink
  • 1 1
 @ybsurf: the passed tense of mop?
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flag betsie (Jun 9, 2020 at 7:03) (Below Threshold)
 Gee whizz, the kid with the moped is touchy today. Liam Moynahan summed them up well, they are slower down the hill than a regular bike but you will do less work getting to the top. I suppose that means, if climbing an escalator is your thing rather than the stairs then fair play. Its ok to have an excuse for going down the hill slower now, yer moped is holding you back. hahahahaha They do look fun for going up technical trails or further a field though. This Spec is the first one that looks light enough on the rear end to not look like someone has just filled your frame full of sand and you are trying to ride it like a normal bike. Its still heavier though, so not as much fun, pretty sure he enjoyed the ride up in the tuck though. Ok, I will stop now. Stenna stair lift anyone....
  • 26 3
 I wonder how many people who hate on e-bikes ride chair lifts...
  • 17 5
 @betsie: Why are they slower downhill.? I am just as fast on the downs on my Levo as any other bike with similar parts. Actually more stable through the chatter because if the extra weight.
  • 6 1
 @betsie: well, yes at 38lbs the SL is a bit heavier than trail bikes, but not heavier than many DH bikes, and not heavy enough to slow you down. If it does, hit the gym bud Wink
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 @Lanebobane: not the same thing at all. DH is core as f*ck, mopeds aren't. The vast majority of emtber's are the same kind of people that are never able to slow down their lifestyles...always too "busy"

mtb isn't supposed to be easy, that's what makes it so damn rewarding.

just my opinion though...and I know it stinks lol
  • 8 9
 I actually named my Cannondale Moterra 2 "Moped" on my Stava. I'm ok with them being called moped's. That is what they are.
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 @DPoole603: we have to care. People who make moped comments also advocate for ebikes to not be allowed on trails, based on nothing but pure ego.
  • 19 1
 @housem8d: there's people who think mtb shouldn't be riding a chairlift or a truck to the top either, yet dh is a thing, an awesome thing. Ebikes aren't about making rides easier, its about going farther and longer. Twice the descending without a shuttle truck is an amazing feeling and for sure isn't easy.
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 @coletrane-mtb: good point!
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flag goldencycle (Jun 9, 2020 at 8:40) (Below Threshold)
 @coletrane-mtb: The reason many people are fighting e-bike access is the conflicts with hikers. Suddenly the mtb is twice the weight, often ridden by someone with half the experience (because e-bikes make the sport much more accessible to people who couldn't ride before) and hikers and other trail users aren't expecting those types of speeds. I've heard of a lot of hiker/biker collisions and/or conflicts here in the Colorado front range.
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 @carlitouk: oh yeah I saw what o did here
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 @jimoxbox: Yup, I'm 6'5".
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 Wikipedia: A moped (/ˈmoʊpɛd/ MOH-ped) is a type of small motorcycle with bicycle pedals, generally having a less stringent licensing requirement than full motorcycles or automobiles. Mopeds typically travel only a bit faster than bicycles on public roads, and possess both a motorcycle engine and pedals for propulsion. Mopeds are distinguished from scooters in that the latter tend to be more powerful and subject to more regulation.

Webster: A moped is defined as either a pedal bicycle with a helper motor or a non-pedal bicycle with a motor, which has all of the following characteristics: Have a cylinder capacity of no more than 50 cubic centimeters. Have an automatic transmission. Be capable of a maximum speed of no more than 30 miles per hour. Comply with all applicable federal motor vehicle safety standards.

Don't know how a eMTB and Moped can be considered the same thing, except for both having bicycle pedals.
eMTB Class 1 & 2 are 100% pedal assist, Moped are pedal or engine throttle assist.
  • 11 4
 @Wildeman21: an ebike rider telling someone to hit the gym. Awesome
  • 6 1
 @mr-epic-3: I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not.. It literally says in the definition that it is a pedal bicycle with a helper motor. How else could you describe an e-bike??
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 @BeerGuzlinFool: why...
Watch the video with Liam who is sponsored by Scott comparing them.

Or just think of the obvious.

Maybe all dh bikes should start sticking big mead weights on the BB.... that would just be silly now wouldnt it, even Porter ditched that idea.
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 @Wildeman21: oh, and the chatter... dont be silly... again.
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 @housem8d: mtb isn't supposed to be easy, that's what makes it so damn rewarding.

And that is the crux. I think the dissent here and other places is that the use of e-mountain bike dilutes the sport. MTB is HARD. It always has been,and no matter what shape you are in, it always will be. Take the hard out, or reduce it, and suddenly it is more like riding on a groomed path than the sport we love. Those of us (the majority, I think), enjoy the hard work and the rewards it gives. Those who use e-bikes and come up with all the excuses about longer rides, less tired, whatever, I think (again my opinion) are just trying to justify their purchase/laziness.

That being said, I did see a couple on the local trails the other day. Both had e-bikes. Both were probably in their late 60s/early 70s. AND, the guy had oxygen supplement. THAT is a use case I can get behind. Anyone not suffering a medical condition that prevents or limits their riding is just being lazy, or is getting paid to ride one to promote sales.
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 @Poulsbojohnny: really well said. I've been trying to vocalize how I feel about them for a long time, but struggled to find the right analogy/words to describe what they are doing to our sport. I think you nailed it on the head!
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 @Lanebobane: E-bikers load their bikes on chairlifts too? Saw it at the bike parks last summer...
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 @CircusMaximus: I’m actually not an ebike rider, just a shop employee who thinks the SL is a good idea. Thanks though.
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 @jgainey: Eww who still uses strava.
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 @goldencycle: Cool, a fellow Lakewooder who's not down with ebikes.????
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 @kaybeee: yeah! gotta earn those Apex laps!!
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 My local bridleway has signs that look about twenty years old saying "Permissive Bridleway. No Motorised Vehicles".

How does that work with ebikes? Obviously it is referring to motorcycles and Land Rovers, which can go fast and would scare livestock. The signs are clearly from a time before ebikes, although they still apply.

Would an ebiker just ride that track, under the guise of being on a mountain bike? Speaking for myself, if I had an ebike I would ride it. If I had an enduro motorcycle, I would not. Is there a consensus on this yet?
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 @coletrane-mtb: I'd say there is quite a few arguments to be made the have nothing to do with ego. Generalization and reverse hating aren't helping your cause. Some trails are great for e-bikes and built to withstand millions of runs. Others, not so much. Let's let the people in each area make those decisions
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 @goldencycle: I would disagree about the experience part. Most people that are new to the sport aren't going to buy a $5,000.00 bike.
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 @BeerGuzlinFool: You might change your opinion on that after seeing all the Joeys out here on Yetis! haha
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 @goldencycle: I was providing description of a Moped, as eMTB's, Moped's, MTB's and Motocycles are all different. I am 58 years old no med issues, I have a eMTB, Enduro mountain bike and a street moto. I will basically ride anything with two wheels just for the fun of it, that's it.
I think it's funny when people use the Moped comment at eMTBers as a negative name of what they are riding, but the reality is a eMTB is way more advanced and capable then any Moped on the market today.
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flag goldencycle (Jun 10, 2020 at 15:30) (Below Threshold)
 @mr-epic-3: That's fine, but you definitely ignored what my comment was saying.. The definition of a moped very much lines up with what an ebike is. So BY THAT DEFINITION, an ebike is a moped..
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 @goldencycle: mopeds can accelerate without pedaling. So very different.
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 @goldencycle: agree, e-bikes endanger trail access and environmental conservation. which trail advocacy groups are you a member of? it sounds like you're super active in the community, which is awesome.
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 @BeerGuzlinFool: I think you didn't read the definition he posted and that I was comparing to. #whoosh
  • 2 2
 @goldencycle: bro you should come out to the volunteer days where we meet up with equestrian and hiker groups to discuss how to better preserve the trails that we all share. equipment like motorized vehicles hurt all of our ability to be responsible trail users. these volunteer days are super effective ways to not only build trails, but to also build bridges between the communities. i'm happy to see that others are on our side and are willing to spread the word like you are in this thread. with the passionate responses so far, it sounds like you are already doing this. see ya at the next meet! cant wait to meet new folks who also support the environmental cause!
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 @goldencycle: us pedal cyclers got to stick together man. These lunatics think they can just do whatever they. Not on our watch.
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 EBikes are super fun I’ve had three already this year just want to try them all. I’m currently on the YT Decoy 29 and man oh man super fun.
  • 2 0
 Talk to me about the Decoy, cause it's definitely on my radar. What's it like to ride? Can you have fun on normal trails? What's over all riding/ownership experience like?
  • 3 0
 the only thing holding me back from getting an e bike is that i dont know what im looking at in terms of value. like, what are the good e bikes and what makes them high value, e.g. a combo of battery life and performance and components for a certain price. it's almost as if i want people or a website to compile information about bikes that i might be interested in based on current consumer trends and available technology. hmm i wish such an entity existed where journalists who are specialized in a particular hobby get together to disseminate this information based on their depth of knowledge and experience within that hobby. so many ideas. so little time.
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 @cuban-b: Here a couple of websites that can give you the eMTB info you are looking for:
ebike-mtb.com/en (Great info on eMTBs and other products)
www.emtbforums.com (Great info on eMTBs)
theloamwolf.com (They did a great Trail and Enduro eMTB review)
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 I sold my turbo Levo and picked up a new Levo sl two weeks ago. I never needed all the power available in the Levo. The SL’s power is perfect, without all the weight. Also like the shorter chain stay. My only gripe is the noise. It’s quiet but high pitched. You forget about the Levo’s noise while riding, it’s so quite. The LS, the noise doesn’t seem to fade away while riding. The other nice thing is, you can ride it powered off. I did a family bike ride with it off, and it was like riding a regular bike. At the moment, if I could only have one bike, it would be the SL. I would not have said the same about the Levo.
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flag Poulsbojohnny (Jun 9, 2020 at 11:34) (Below Threshold)
 So... twice the battery manufacturing and all the garbage environmental and human costs associated with it because you made the wrong purchase the first time. Got it.
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 @Poulsbojohnny: I didn’t make the wrong choice. I only had one choice when I bought the Levo. I sold my Levo to one of my good friends that was going to get a Levo. So I went ahead and got the SL. Now you fully got it.

But nice try virtue signaling.
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 @Poulsbojohnny: you tell em! So brave of you stand up to these environmental criminals. So nice to see other environmental activists like yourself here to denounce others of their perceived right to ride any bike they want. The balls on people.
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 To the entire world: if you wish to purchase an e-bike, please submit an application to myself and Poulsbojohnny so that we can determine if you are worthy of purchasing one. The application will have a series of questions which will assess your physical ability. After evaluation of this application, you will receive a license that you can bring to pre-approved e-bike retailers that meet our Freedom Criteria (TM), after which you will be given a credit to purchase the e-bike which we have pre-chosen for you. The pre-approved e-bike retailer and pre-approved e-bikes will all be chosen by us, of course. How dare you think you have a decision in this matter. WE ARE THE GATEKEEPERS TO THIS TECHNOLOGY. COMPLY, OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF INTERNET SHAMING.
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 @cuban-b: I'll assume I am grandfathered in, already owning an ebike.
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 @PtDiddy: the balls on this one ^. NEGATORY! you must submit a post-emptive application stating the reasons and including a doctors note if you truly have an ailment. No fake doctor notes either. We have the technology to detect that. If you submit a fake note and/or are not physically disabled to the point where the original e-bike contract is not breached, then we will be able to grant you a provisional license. Please refer to the previous e-bike contract regarding the criteria for physical ability.
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 @cuban-b: It's my balls... They are huge. I can't possible lug them up around on an acoustical bike. I say "acoustical" because my balls are so big.
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 @PtDiddy: you dont seem to understand. once we are able to dictate who is able to own an e-bike, all will be right in this crazy world. until then, as long as people think it's ok to own an e-bike without consulting us, it's just a godforsaken cornucopia of debauchery and lawlessness that only a devil worshiper would promote. all i can do is hope future generations are able to withstand this level of evil.
  • 13 0
 Specialized seems to have a taste for Yeti athletes...
  • 2 0
 yeti finds em. spesh steals em. ironic considering their litigation strategy.
  • 15 2
 The only thing that sucks about an Ebike is not having one.
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 The tide is quickly turning with bikes like these.
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 I ride an ebike because I have a serious drug problem. My drug of choice is sweet DH adrenaline. To get my fix on a regular mountain bike I had to suffer exhausting climbs which stepped on my sweet adrenaline fix cutting it's purity. Now riding my ebike I get my sweet DH adrenaline pure and uncut, and I get more of it. Junkies love ebikes.
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 Just got one of these a few months back, I will NEVER go back to analog.
Coming off current stumpy's and enduro's, I have never once felt that this is an e-bike on the DH.
In fact I think it rides better and is more planted (lower center of gravity weight wise)
I have two kids, a wife and a full time job. This bike has given me the power of a pro climber, and instead of doing 2-3 downs, I am getting in 4-5. And all in the same amount of "time away from home".
My normal rides are now 4-5K elevation.

You do the math...

#LevoSL fo LIFE yo!
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 a very astute user called @PtDiddy called them acoustic bikes which i thought was pretty clever. that's another thing - who's watching out for acoustic guitarists in this world of electric guitars, what with their winkety-wankety, jimmery-jammery, electronic solos, bullcrap! electric guitarists should only be allowed to play super sick solo's if they're medically disabled and are unable to play an acoustic guitar. you know, a real man's guitar. their medical history and physical ability will be determined by a panel of acoustic and electric guitar playing experts.
  • 9 0
 cool ebike, whatever, but how good-looking is that trail??
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 Thats Bountiful, the city just north of SLC. Its a good trail, but can get to be moondust during the warm summer months.
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 @hamncheez: Being an SLC native, nearly every trail in northern Utah gets to moondust by mid-summer. This time of year it's insanely grippy though.
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 @Ajorda: This time of year it doesn't normally snow a foot haha. I bet the riding is going to be great this week. Too bad I'm out with an injury.
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 @hamncheez:

Hey I rode that trail recently... and that's where the similarities end between this edit and me tip toeing down trying not to lock up the rear wheel.

And I wouldn't stand a chance when it's moon dust.

Another banger by CK.
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 It’s hilarious how “purists” are so triggered by ebikes. Could you imagine surfers hating on windsurfing, kiteboarding or jet skis for that matter? Gliders hating on airplanes? Soon jet surfing will be commonplace. I get the jealousy if you do t have the financial means but guess what the fastest way is for pricing to drop? Scale from sales. Get over it. Your Stava doesn’t matter. Life is short. Enjoy it while you got it.
  • 3 1
 Have you ever asked a big wave surfer how they feel about towed in surfers......you will get this same sentiment. It took damn near 30 years for mountains to accept that snowboarders spent money too....and then ski groms became the new jerks on the mountain and everyone collectively just decided it was teenagers that were anoying not specifically snowboards. In 20 years maybe the ebike crowd will be complaining about analog riders?
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 E biking is not a crime
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flag Poulsbojohnny (Jun 9, 2020 at 11:35) (Below Threshold)
 No, but the humanitarian and environmental cost that goes with making Li-Po batteries should be.
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 @Poulsbojohnny: You mean pumping lithium brine water out of a bitter (poison) water playa? Like they do here in Nevada? Study science.
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 @Poulsbojohnny: hows it going gretta? Lockdown helping your goals?
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 @onemind123: What's happened to Greta? I haven't seen her in the news much this year.
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 @Geochemistry: Not an environmental wack job at all, but this is a good read.
www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

And in the race to making the world 'green'
oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Human-Cost-of-the-EV-Revolution.html
Granted, this is from an oil producers point of view, but there are plenty of articles out there about how, for all intents and purposes, slave labor is used to mine cobalt in Congo.
And, lest we forget, even cobalt mined in the US or AU is shipped to China for processing.We know their track record on environmental controls.

Does that mean I don't use a smart phone or laptop? No, but it does make me more conscientious on disposing of my existing devices just for something new or shiny, or, perhaps, an e-bike..
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 @Poulsbojohnny: totally agree - it's totally 100% about the environment. so happy to see other liberals on here. more importantly, i just think i'm better than people who ride e-bikes, who are weak and dont deserve to ride mtb. this is how i deal with my insecurity when interacting with the general public. however i view myself, i just assume others would view themselves in the same way. the nerve on these people to not consult us prior to their purchases. who do these environmental criminals think they are? i'm confident that my comments on this thread are persuading people not to buy e bikes. i really really think it's working!
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 Huge fan of Cody Kelly!
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 I ask this because I’ve not ridden an ebike other than in a car park but when you are descending quickly, wouldn’t the speed restriction engage and slow you down if you pedal? At 23s he seems to be doing some rapid pedalling while descending as if to gain speed and I’m assuming he’s going pretty quickly already?
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 No the motor disengages so your just pedaling like normal. Good question though!
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 The SL is super smooth, and you don't really feel anything at the 20mph (15mph for Euro/UK I think) cutoff. Other ebikes, it's more like hitting a wall, or at least more noticeable. It's not an active "braking" though. Just a higher resistance feeling
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 edit was so sick
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 If bicycles are a gateway drug, eMTB is a serious addiction. I love my addiction.
  • 4 0
 Maybe Specialized should make a “Cod-E Kell-E” signature edition e-bike.
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 Now I want one!
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 I just appreciate how much pro riders absolutely love the bikes that their current company sponsor pays them to ride on.
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 Exactly, that seems to escape many people who look at these 'articles.'
  • 4 0
 I bump into a few factory riders and ambassadors on Mount Fromme that are promoting their ebikes in a low key way. Appears they ride what the sponsors give them. One of our local trail builders had two knee replacements and Rocky Mountain gave him an ebike to get around. That is cool.
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 @kingbike2: if someone wants to give me a brand new top spec ebike will ride the wheels off that thing and love it.
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 E-bikes are for riders who give up on themselves. I'm XX years old, so i need an e-bike. I have a kid, so I need an e-bike. etc etc. If you follow this path, after a year on an e-bike you'll need a another e-bike with an even bigger motor because you're even older and... You don't need an e-bike. Have some pride, ride harder when you do ride, get in better shape. Pedal your darn bike!
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 Are they though? I think a lot of pros are using them to ride farther and harder than what is possible on a non motorized bike. What's better for training? 3 laps on a bike or 7 laps on an ebike? You can still push it on the uphills but have more time to practice the downhills. Just food for thought! Oh, and Cody Kelly will destroy you when it comes to fitness. He puts in some serious miles on that road bike.
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flag tunnel-vision (Jun 9, 2020 at 11:15) (Below Threshold)
 @nastee-nate: Yeah, OK i guess enduro and downhiller's might benefit from more laps with an e-bike. Uphill fitness for them isnt as important. Most enduro stages are shuttled now anyway. But I'd say they be better riders overall if they tried for more laps by improving their uphill fitness.

I have no idea who Cody is but I'm willing to bet I could destroy him on a big mt bike climb and death march ride on the road. I ride a lot, and Im skinny AF.
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 You are right, after doing 6 days of 4000ft to 8000 ft of elevation I gave up and rode my E-bike on the 7th day. I think it was Sunday, Easter Sunday
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 @tunnel-vision:
Pretty sure this is who he is talking about. I could be wrong though.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Cody_Banks
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 @tunnel-vision: Uphill fitness is important, I'm just arguing that on practice days, you are going to get more downhill runs and improve your downhill bike handling skills by getting more runs in And if you're willing to bet you'd beat Cody uphill, lets put some $$$ on it, cause that's a bet you ain't ever gonna win.
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 @nastee-nate: While they are fun, I can't imagine a single EWS pro that would have to stop riding because they were tired before completely draining the battery. I also find it funny when people say they use an ebike to explore further and father new regions. When going for long ride, the last thing I want to think about is how many KM I have on my battery before it is drained....

Having ridden the Levo SL, while it is closer to a regular bike it still isn't there IMO. Motor is loud and the motor delay/lag is annoying on tech climbs.
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 @tebb: It's not about going farther, it's about using your energy for downhill specific training. These guys go out on massive roads rides for endurance training, then focus on downhill specific training on other days. If i'm trying to practice cornering and line choice, I don't want to be drained from riding up. He could shuttle up with a truck, but uses the E-bike as an alternative. It's all about perspective folks.
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 @nastee-nate: To each their own, but again if you have the fitness and endurance training these guys have your not so fatigued pedaling to the top of any climb that you can't focus on the downhill.
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 I want an ebike so i can do my one lap and get to the bar faster
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 @nastee-nate: I get what you’re saying, it makes sense for enduro and downhill pros. But regular joes are better off getting fit than getting lazier and lazier.

And I’m down for an uphill race with Cody. I have like 4 pages of KOM’s all of them uphill. Lol. He’s built like a linebacker and will 100% smash me on the downhill but I’m confident I’d squash him on a 4,000 ft singletrack climb. I got the money and the time for this. Set it up!
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 @tunnel-vision: I don't see people using E-bikes as lazy. If you're riding a bike, you are still exercising.. Get off your high horse and let people enjoy things without demonizing them.

And sorry to burst your bubble, KOM's don't mean shit.
  • 2 0
 Loads of batteries we can recycle and will be sold to india to get rid off. Cool. Lets consume more even energy. Happy summer people
  • 3 0
 Love that “classic bike”
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 Do we know how long these battery lifespans are? Honest question. If I ride 100mi/week on my mountain bike am I gonna need a new battery every year?
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 No, you won't need a new battery for a several years. Most are rated for 1,000 full charge cycles. To put that in perspective, a typical 190 lb rider will get about 50 miles per charge, so you would get about 100 full charge cycles per year. And after that 1,000 full charge cycles, the batteries typically can go to 80% charge for another 800 cycles, then 60% charge for another 600 cycles. A 60% charge would still be good for about 30 miles per cycle. Please note the amount of climbing you do has more to do with battery discharge than mileage, as it's how much boost you need that really affects discharging. This link should help a little: www.giant-bicycles.com/gb/electric-bike-battery-guide
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 Seems like it would of been a good opportunity for Kelly and his dad to do an E-bike edit.
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 Just look for tools on Craigslist or somewhere like that. Battery powered tools lose all their value really quickly because 5 years from now you won't be able to buy batteries that work. Ill buy a moto.
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 Also, tell me if he has any of the existing spec parts on there including shock (Which are all shyte)
With no frame only option that is mahossive price tag
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 Think the levo will look like the current enduro next year... would be an option to go for... but actually I am completely against e bikes ????
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 So is it “regular bike”, “analog bike”, “acoustic bike” or is it now a “classic bike”?

In any case, it’s obvious what Specialized thinks about you if you ride one.
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 Acoustic is the worst analog. Analog is as dumb as acoustic.
  • 4 2
 I think "antique" is the word you're looking for. Or maybe "old fashioned"
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 standard, or better yet a Bike is called a bike, and an E-bike is called an E-bike.
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 “Pedal bike”
  • 3 2
 Don't care about the bike, do care about CK doing rad shit as usual. Never gets old.
  • 1 0
 Has he voided the warranty running a 36?
My local shop said specialized said only 150mm is warrantied

is this BS?
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 That dude makes everything look awesome
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 It appears the bike MFG's that produce E-Bikes are really pushing there pro athletes to promote E-bikes.
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 or maybe they are letting their athletes have a go on one without any pressure and the athletes are genuinely loving them...
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 I’m sure the companies want the riders to do some promos on the ebikes. Makes sense. It doesn’t mean the riders don’t enjoy them though. The reason they are selling well is because they are pretty darn fun to ride.
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 I have been anti-ebike for a long time. Then one night while doing some maintenance before a scheduled ride with a buddy I realized my bike was broken. He was kind enough to lend me a bike for the ride. Only problem was it was an ebike (by chance a Levo SL) and I reluctantly accepted his offer. The next morning we headed out, starting at the top of the hill and hitting some pretty big jumps right off the bat. I couldn’t believe how it jumped just like my bike. Then we turned around at the bottom and headed back to the top. I couldn’t take the shit eating grin off my face as I was railing berms on the climb up. We did a bunch of laps that day and I have been saving my pennies ever since.

After that one taste, I realized that the bike companies don’t have to push their riders to promote their ebikes. I know that if I was given an ebike to play with, I’d promote the shit out of it because it’s been a long time since I had that much fun on a bike!
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 Wait, hold on. Are you trying to tell me they want the athletes they pay to promote their products, to promote their products?
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 @Dmrides: Dmrides. Glad you posted your comments as a former ebike hater, you changed your mind after riding one. Unfortunately, the problem is many ebike haters have no clue what they are talking about and probably just jealous, uninformed, clueless or don't have any steep hills near them. When you hear these ebike haters say EMTB's are mopeds or motorbikes, it clearly shows that they don't know what they are talking about. I rode dirt bikes (motoX) for many years and my EMTB is nothing the same. My EMTB feels just like my regular pedal bikes but just a bit heavier and has pedal assist.

I do see where ebike haters see lots of people riding cheaper ebikes and wonder why they need motors for the road and smoother trails unless they are old or partly disabled. However if you live near any big mountains a good full suspension EMTB can be so much fun. You can ride up some of those super steep climbs that you could never imagine on a regular pedal bike and even smile while doing it. How many times can you say you have a big smile on your face when torturing yourselve trying to pedal up really long steep climbs on your regular pedal bike? You can pick the pedal assist amount you want on each of the programmable power modes, so EMTB's can actually be a good workout if you want. You can ride further, longer and faster on a EMTB when in the mountains. This is why many pro riders now ride EMTB's, for training purposes, not marketing as many ebike haters mistakenly try to keep pointing out.

Even on days that you may not feel strong enough to ride your regular pedal bike, you can go for a ride on your EMTB and just pick a higher power assist mode. Another big bonus is you can explore new trails and areas without worrying about spending all that energy pedaling up a bunch of hills that lead nowhere and end up having to turn around. Many EMTB's when in Trail or Eco mode can almost feel like you are super strong (Lance Armstrong?) and feeling the best you ever have as the motor engagement and power assist can be very smooth. Until you try riding a EMTB, you will never know this great and wonderful feeling.

For those ebike haters, all it takes is one ride on a good EMTB and you cannot wipe the smile off your face. Yes, I still love riding my regular pedal bikes, but I also really like riding my EMTB. For many years I have enjoyed the fitness of pedaling my XC and Trail bikes up the mountains and still do. Regardless, having a big smile on your face is what this sport is all about, and if you ride a good EMTB on any mountains with steep climbs, you will quickly find this out. If you simply cannot understand this, PLEASE just use your ebike filter so we don't have to continuously read your ridiculous and unfounded comments...
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 @ad15: Looking at you Danny...
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 @RowdyAirTime: took an ebike for short test ride, it was a completely new fun experience riding up a hill , I described it to my friends as a magic carpet. Too pricey for me at the moment also if I have an ebike and my friends don’t then group rides will be frustrating.
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 @RowdyAirTime: How many times can you say you have a big smile on your face when torturing yourselve trying to pedal up really long steep climbs on your regular pedal bike?

Well, I may not be smiling as I work my body up a tough hill, but I do enjoy the workout and always have a smile at the end of my ride. So, not much comparison I think?

Gotta earn the turns....

(oh, and there are plenty of mountains around here)
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 @Poulsbojohnny: Fair enough. I agree with you and enjoy riding my regular pedal bikes, and I also do have a smile on my face after the end of my ride due to the workout and fun factor. However, on my EMTB I also have a smile on my face pedaling up, and not just smiling after the ride. The "only" reason some MTBers ride up the mountains is so they can enjoy the ride down. Other MTBers ride almost only Bike Parks or only shuttle to the top of the mountain so they can ride down and that's what they only enjoy riding which is downhill. I have very steep mountains nearby and if I do not feel like a huge epic workout, I can still go for a ride on my EMTB. Honestly, ETMB's just add to the fun factor and put even a bigger smile on your face, and that is really what mountain biking is all about...
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 @kingbike2: Ha, ha, great to hear. "Magic Carpet Ride" sounds like the perfect suspension, as it floats over everything. I'm in...When I 1st rode a EMTB I also thought it was a bit of a "magic" feeling, and how was I able to pedal up the hills so much easier. I still get that feeling years later and almost feel like a pro XC rider in the best shape I've ever been in. It's hard to describe until you try riding a EMTB up really steep trails...
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 @kingbike2: Or you could bring along a tow rope to help them up.
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 @Geochemistry: we ride Mount Fromme a lot and Digger Dan gave my friend a push up the logging road one time . My friend was so grateful.
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 Yep i agree. Must not be selling. Nothing against ebikes. They are fun. However i have a hard time believing an EWS athlete would choose to train and ride one more than a regular bike. You gotta be fit to win. If they had ebikes in 69’, do you think Eddy Merckx would have trained on one? Or Sam Hill? Or CK? Enjoy? Sure. Athlete focused on winning, maybe an off day.
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 @eyeslide: I just bought mine two weeks ago and had to buy used, because it is sold out in medium everywhere. Not sure about the other sizes. But I think it’s selling well.

I would agree about the training, but I’m no expert. If I had to do a competition on my regular bike, I would do the majority of my training on it. Use the ebike for off days and give the legs a rest.
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 Bike Check please...
  • 2 1
 the fail is strong with that slack seat tube
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 thats cool only one slow mo shot and it was still cinematic!
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 That's it??????
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 God bless ebikes!
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