Video: Conflict Arises Between 17 Year Old UK Rider & Apparent "Trail Saboteurs"

May 20, 2020
by James Smurthwaite  
Video: Nathan Cartwright

17-year-old Nathan Cartwright ran into two apparent trail saboteurs while filming for a YouTube video. The two women have been identified as a former parish councilor and a retired teacher, and they have apparently both been visited by the police since the incident. It seems no further action will be taken.

Nathan was pushing his bike when he came across the two women laying branches and logs on a trail in Leyburn, North Yorkshire. They had also thrown Nathan's shovel from next to the trail down the hill into the undergrowth. They claimed that Nathan should not have been on the trail due to Covid-19 restrictions, however he was within a mile of his house and, as he points out, they were actually the ones in contravention of guidelines as they had gathered together despite not living together. The two women also claimed that Nathan was trespassing on the Bolton Estate, however he apparently has informal permission to ride there.

The Daily Mail spoke to the two women and reports that one of the women said the matter "is being dealt with through the appropriate channels." They state that they met coincidentally in the woods that day, and declined to comment further.

While laws and their interpretation vary, it is illegal to set a trap to injure or kill people. North Yorkshire Police said they had been contacted ‘about obstructions put on a track popular with walkers and cyclists. It was believed these items could cause injury or damage to bikes’.

Regions in Article
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332 Comments

  • 650 4
 Nathen, I admire your composure and maturity in the way you handled those two old bats.
  • 137 10
 I thought that too, I mean considering the potential loss of a rake and spade too....However bearing in mind where they all are in the middle of the woods and the fact he (Possibly still) has a spade those 2 malicious, posh old c*nts would have made a decent base for kicker in his trail.
  • 125 0
 Well said. He could have easily given them a bit of lip (I know I probably would but i'm old and irascible and therefore can justify it!) but instead conducted himself in a manner that reflects very well on the MTB community.

Nice one nathan!
  • 158 0
 I am twice his age and I would have lost my absolute shit with them.
  • 118 1
 Yes, very mature for his age. Those women were quite aggressive. Former Parish councillor and retired teacher - great example for the younger generation, they should be ashamed.
  • 37 19
 @tremeer023: exactly, neither profession actually lives in the real world. Extremely well handled by the lad.
  • 13 3
 Really a role model for handling an incident like this, will try to remember his method for conflict with others on trail!
  • 15 1
 Yes indeed! I know my 17yo self would not have had such composure.
  • 127 0
 Agreed. Good job Nathan.
You made the BBC too... www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-52660528

For those of you interested "The landowners said they were aware of informal use of the wood by local mountain bikers, who had "always behaved responsibly", and were looking to allow them formal access.

A spokesperson for the Bolton Estate condemned the women's actions, adding: "The laying of traps to recklessly or even deliberately endanger anyone is wholly unacceptable." "
  • 31 1
 @tremeer023: Unfortunately as someone who works for the Council I can attest to many Councilors being like this. They can be an absolute nightmare, often having gotten the position because they are a loud mouth and so people think they will ensure the voice of the public is heard, but instead everyone ends up with a rogue agent who runs around telling people they're breaking the law whilst they themselves don't have the least understanding of the law. It is a very satisfying thing when as an officer I am able to publicly put them in their place every now and then.
  • 2 12
flag jorgeposada (May 20, 2020 at 6:37) (Below Threshold)
 Woooow haters literally suck, the better you ride and build the more suckers. I'm not 17 in the UK, please try me out.
  • 12 1
 @Mfro: the camera improves everyone’s behaviour - but impressive restraint by Nathan.
  • 10 1
 Same here, there are some trail-Karens in my neck of the woods who do the same thing and it's impressive to see this fella keep his cool.
  • 12 1
 @Mfro: Irascible is a fantastic word. Vocab bump
  • 15 8
 Wonder how hard it would be to sprint at them, grab a handful of front brake & launch yourself as a human cannonball, helmet first into their sternums?

Just....wondering....
  • 1 2
 If I could post a meme and If did those childish kind of things It would probably be that one with Micheal Jackson eating popcorn
  • 3 0
 Careful around old nags. He could have been mincemeat!!!
  • 7 0
 I would have told her,"Sod off ya flamin slag".
  • 1 2
 @blowmyfuse: That's funny! I shouldn't have been eating when I read that.
  • 4 1
 Man, seriously. I almost lost my composure just watching it! Way to go, keeping your cool and reasoning logically with them.
  • 6 1
 @Daver27: Exactly, Parish council are used to dealing with MUCH younger boys ????
  • 3 3
 @pdxjeremy: and yet I get -5 on the neg reps. To think the PB judgemental onlookers are so judgey this day. Beer
  • 4 1
 @landscapeben: you've just described our president.
  • 1 0
 @blowmyfuse: uphill would be super tough... need WC XCO legs for that. But going downhill.. those ladies would have holes in em fur shir!!
  • 252 68
 Also, please don’t link directly to the “Daily Heil”. It’s a vile right wing rag.
  • 90 334
flag mcozzy (May 20, 2020 at 0:35) (Below Threshold)
 Only to militant lefties.
  • 210 19
 @mcozzy: The Daily Mail was sympathetic to Oswald Mosley, Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler during the 1930s, it has more recently lost multiple libel cases for incorrect reporting and character defamation. It's been widely treated as an unreliable news/credit source (eg. by Wikipedia) for a few years now.
It's only considered a newspaper by frothing racists and people like the two women in this video.
  • 60 182
flag WAKIdesigns (May 20, 2020 at 0:49) (Below Threshold)
 @Steventux: yes militant lefties, SJWs are sympathetic to Marx and Stalin, so please, not much wrong in what he wrote. Not so long ago, nowhere else but in UK some social sciences students claimed gulags were "education facilities". Sorry: @paulmmm brought this crap up in the first place
  • 47 13
 @WAKIdesigns: citation f*cking needed
  • 65 103
flag WAKIdesigns (May 20, 2020 at 0:52) (Below Threshold)
 @PhillipJ: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/11/soviet-labour-camps-compassionate-educational-institutions-say

Some morons were propelling this atrocious bullsht on Pinkbike at least twice. So please, we are at the stage when talking about far right wing, please be ready to get some flak for far lefties. Both deserve crap, but in current climate far lefties are considered progressives with ideas to be followed...
  • 81 99
flag WAKIdesigns (May 20, 2020 at 1:01) (Below Threshold)
 @PhillipJ: and please have no doubts: when Telegraph said "where thousands perished", they have no clue what they are talking about. Bolsheviks and Stalinists executed, tortured to death and starved to death tens of millions of people. They could tell Hitler that his numbers were rookie numbers. Same happened in other countries around the globe where communists were in power. Yet ideological background of their murderous regimes is inspiration of Social Justice movements today. Those who shout loudest about far right.
  • 6 2
 @Steventux: ...people over 70 and those who deliberately obstruct trails (given by how the article was written).
  • 122 26
 @WAKIdesigns: But fine for you to perpetuate it cos you own PB comments?

The Daily Mail is documented to have been sympathetic to facism in the 1930s. Citing this fact or calling the paper out as a right wing shitrag doesn't automatically grant entry to the mythical "militant left".

Waki do you actually live in the UK and have you read the Daily Mail recently? If either of these can be answered with 'yes' you'd know about the resurgence of right wing atttiudes, racist attacks, and blatant lies all of which are downplayed in right wing media like the Daily Mail.
The whole "militant lefties" thing is a relic of 1980s Britain, it died out with British Leyland. Update your Breitbart, it's Militant Muslims you should be frothing about now.
  • 57 13
 @WAKIdesigns: This is reverse-baiting - the lamest debate tactic a 5th grade student could use. We are talking about the Daily Mail being right wing, stick to the point.
  • 43 155
flag WAKIdesigns (May 20, 2020 at 1:28) (Below Threshold)
 @Steventux: The pint of my comment is: why the fuk do you mention Daily Mail being right wing? Oh thank you, you really saved so many people from becoming racists. They won't click now. Oh dear. You are a hero. The source of information had ZERO relevance in here, but you got out of your way and taught us about the perils of entering the portal of right wing propaganda. Get screwed mate...
  • 59 8
 @Steventux: ignore him. He is off topic and... Ach the prime example of the failure social media is.
  • 53 21
 The source of the information had no relevance at all. You dislike the Daily Mail. The Daily Mail got its information from Facebook. The young lad filmed it himself with his helmet camera. Is that evidence now inadmissible because the Daily Mail touched it?

Facts are facts. It happened the same whether it was in the Daily Mail (right wing shit show) or Guardian (left wing shit show).
  • 32 7
 @WAKIdesigns: Reading things in their context is important: I didn't mention it, I replied to a reply.
The rest of what you say is adolescent ranting. Get it out of your system boyo.
  • 2 2
 @Steventux: so was the Catholic Church
  • 32 94
flag WAKIdesigns (May 20, 2020 at 2:03) (Below Threshold)
 @Steventux: you are just being an a*shole, you just got an angle on me and now digging your heels in. Pinkbike cited the source of information. We are interested in a particular information. Source of information has zero relevance to context of this information. Unless you believe that particular information source has modified the report to create some sort of bias. Please enlighten me how can you tell the difference between different political angles describing the following story: one dude meets two old ladies putting branches across the trail, reports them to police, Police does nothing. Point being: political angle has ZERO relevance here. Now go out and pick on some bloke on the street for not wearing/ wearing a mask, whatever goes along your moral code. Should make your day. I duelly apologize for ruining your perverse pleasure of channeling your dismay with right winger by ranting on Daily Mail. Sorry for ruining the fun. But I am happy I could serve you as vessel for your sens of adulthood so you could call me adolescent.
  • 31 4
 @jaame: He did not discredit/question the facts. He asked not to directly link to the DM.
  • 35 81
flag WAKIdesigns (May 20, 2020 at 2:19) (Below Threshold)
 @mitochris: because that would go so well with principles of journalism. Like mentioning source of information. Typical stupid liberitarian leftists, social justice warriors approach to "freedom of speech" - paranoia caused by treating yourself as woke enlightened, and seeing general population as bunch of idiots who could get corrupted by a right wing propaganda, and could put you and your convenient set of values in question. Fkng bike site, fkg simple string of information and some fkng idiots needed to politicize it. Get fkd. Get fkd, you are as stupid as those two grannies, this is what you will become. Sour old pricks believing in greater order of the universe, seeing world as place invaded by awful people stopping you from reaching your Elysium. GET FKD.
  • 26 5
 @WAKIdesigns: You forgot to mention VIRTUE SIGNULLING!
  • 55 3
 @WAKIdesigns:
I understand where you're coming from Waki, but we in the UK have had to put up with a hegemony of right wing press barons who don't adhere to the journalistic principles you allude to. Many in the uk are of the opinion that politically neutral journalistic outlets shouldn't contribute to the DM's profits by clicking on their links and generating advertising revenue. See also the campaign against The S*n by the people of Liverpool following its dire reporting and subsequent smear campaign following the Hillsborough disaster.
  • 33 2
 Can we just agree that the Daily Mail is crap be it either left or right. Why are you even reading it if it doesn't have a spring rate curve or a bike that is named after a doughy item of food.
  • 115 33
 Can we PLEASE get a permanent lifetime ban for Waki?

He's become so predictable it's boring. Agitates till people prove him wrong, then he attempts to distract. Then he gets hopelessly cynical. Consistently belittling environmentalists and anything related to social justice, making racially offensive comments, and likely spending 50 times as much time pretending to be a mountain biker online than actually being one.
  • 60 12
 @WAKIdesigns: Waki, can you please just shut up??
  • 21 9
 What difference does it on who wrote it. The article was not political and was simply reporting on the incident.
  • 30 6
 @WAKIdesigns:
Stick to your rants about procore and Exo tires, there's some truth and less narcissism and juvenile debate
  • 33 8
 Get a life @WAKIdesigns:
  • 14 59
flag WAKIdesigns (May 20, 2020 at 3:32) (Below Threshold)
 @Steventux: I reread your posts and didn't find a single bit of virtue signalling. Hence omitted Big Grin

I am so happy that @Ryanrobinson1984 @DoubleCrownAddict are so predictably here again Big Grin #blessed
  • 29 3
 @DoubleCrownAddict: clearly you have my vote.
  • 21 5
 It’s a yes from me. I’m tired of his nonsense. I come on here to look at bikes not to have a philosophy lesson @DoubleCrownAddict:
  • 12 9
 @DoubleCrownAddict: No, personally I don't mind him. There's certainly worse people on here.
  • 17 14
 @WAKIdesigns: you are clearly the most intellectually challenged person on this planet.
  • 32 1
 maybe everyone on this thread should just shut up. This community is one of the few places that people can relax and get away from the constant political BS that has infected every other corner of our lives.
  • 13 5
 @DoubleCrownAddict: he probably doesn’t even ride. It’s endlessly amusing reading his comments on topics about which he knows very little. I never understood the hype. Usually, constant bellowing and ranting are over compensation methods for something.
  • 14 1
 @Ryanrobinson1984: He does short rides. I remember him saying he hates long rides, probably because it takes him away from Pinkbike for too long. Somebody here said it's like watching your out of shape 60 year old grandma on a commuter bike. Which is hilarious because he pretends to be a bike skills expert whenever there is a conversation on Pinkbike about bike handling skills.
  • 6 3
 @DoubleCrownAddict: +1 for this, it's ruining the forum.
  • 10 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict: and, we’re here to learn and read about bike subject matter, not to read the incoherent and misplaced ramblings of a day drinker ????
  • 15 6
 @DoubleCrownAddict:
If he's ignored he'll go away, he thrives on the attention and has no concern whether it's good or bad or if he's right or wrong.

Sounds eerily like a certain befuddled orange wannabe despot...
Also quite like an obnoxious breakfast tv presenter here in the UK

Just stop responding/reacting and letting them know they have your attention. The fragile ego won't be able to cope and they'll be hurt more than any argument could achieve.
  • 13 49
flag WAKIdesigns (May 20, 2020 at 4:20) (Below Threshold)
 @Obidog: this is a narcissist s dream except I am not really one. Please continue. You guys seem to enjoy it.
  • 4 7
 @DoubleCrownAddict:
By that description he sounds an awful lot like the big orange tyrant, although it seems to me they're in entirely different leagues...
  • 24 10
 Which is betterer?
1. The Daily Mail covers this story.
2. No one covers this story.
  • 23 15
 Not sure what the Daily Mail has to do with Pinkbikes... Stick to commenting about riding and keep your politics out (left or right). Saying all readers are racists says more about you. People are sick of being branded islamophobes, homophobes, racists etc because they don't share the same views as or virtue signal like the intolerant ranting loony lefters - and probably one of the reasons the Tories got in.
  • 32 9
 @WAKIdesigns: you are the biggest douche on pinkbike. The medal is in the mail
  • 25 8
 @WAKIdesigns: there’s a saying we have in the US. “It’s better to be silent and be thought of as a fool then to open your mouth and leave no doubt” you’re an idiot and you consistently prove that. Bravo
  • 86 1
 Ignoring a media source that clearly has societal influence is incredibly dangerous.

Read the Mail and Guardian. Watch CNN and Fox. Subscribe to CAP and NRA mailings.

If a significant percentage of the people around me are influenced by these outlets I want to read them to try to understand where we’re at as a whole.

All news media is biased. Always has been. One of the reasons we’re f*cked right now is that people don’t critically analyze ALL sources of information to see through the bias (including their own). A lot of people have fallen victim to confirmation bias when choosing sources of information.

Downvote me for saying this as in other threads: picking a side is intellectually lazy.
  • 7 0
 @pourquois-pas: Finally, a voice of reason!
  • 4 0
 @WAKIdesigns:
No sense in being worked up Waki, especially with a new best value in the bike industry, Deore 12 speed, on the market. There’s no reason to ever be upset again.
  • 11 28
flag WAKIdesigns (May 20, 2020 at 5:26) (Below Threshold)
 @pourquois-pas: I agree with everything you wrote... it's just that this is a post about a cyclist and two grumpy old women, not election shennenigans between Fox News and CNN or some youtube fitness star who is known for being full of crap, telling you that bananas are dangerous for your health and you should better buy his supplements. Context is everything.
  • 16 6
 @WAKIdesigns: Am. Can you stop insulting me. All I pointed out was that the OP did not question the facts, which Jaame implied. I gave no value to the journalistic qualities of the Daily Mail. I only questioned the comment of jaame, which were incorrect. On a comment that is trying to deal with "facts", then the comment should be factual, no? Given your high-horse, I expect a full apology for wrongfully accusing me of siding with a specific political spectrum and for calling me an idiot. I also would like you to refrain from using the f-bomb. It does not strengthen your statement. It remains false with or without the f*cking.
  • 18 0
 Waki is a master troll, able to perfectly articulate whatever is calculated to ignite the passions of whomever he has chosen to target at any given moment, and you guys are feeding him a banquet for the ages, all the way down to the ad hominem responses.

As the saying goes, never wrestle with a pig in the mud. You both get dirty, but the pig likes it.

Banned or not, he would be largely shackled if these sorts of comments were met with only a laugh and a shake of the head. I guarantee he’s laughing at the response he’s provoked.
  • 9 31
flag WAKIdesigns (May 20, 2020 at 5:44) (Below Threshold)
 @mitochris: I did not intend to insult you, I can't even read it from my comment how was this directed against you, I talked about other people here. Unless you submit to the idea that one should not report anything from Daily Mail on bike site even though it is about a MTBer confronting trail saboteurs... Jesus...
  • 6 2
 @WAKIdesigns: my response was to the comment about not using the Mail as a source, not the actual article itself.

But hey, let’s apply the same principles to this article!

Did the women lay booby traps With intent to harm or simply place things that were readily available across the trail to discourage its use by cyclists?

Can the cyclist truly claim to “not be building” when he follows up by claiming he has cleared and changed the the trail?

You’re reading the article on a biking website, so there’s inherent bias. Use of the word Sabotage sets the tone of how readers view the actions of the two hikers. I’m not defending their actions, but I also don’t buy into the notion that they were intentionally trying to cause physical harm to another person (this wasn’t a fish line at neck height as we’ve seen before on other trails).

But... “Mountain Biker has heated discussion with hikers over visible trail blockages” doesn’t drive traffic.
  • 18 41
flag WAKIdesigns (May 20, 2020 at 5:55) (Below Threshold)
 @BiNARYBiKE: You are quite accurate but still you are selling me a bit cheap. What I can see here is that I pissed off the exact kind of folks I would love to see angry. Because people playing identity politics unconsciously, deserve to be offended on daily basis until they become conscious of what they are really doing. And Pig? Please... first you mention ad hominem and then go into Name calling. I may start to think i am the only one here with any integrity Joker
  • 13 3
 @WAKIdesigns: Are you kidding me? It was not intended at me? it starts with @mitochris. Followed by "...treating yourself as woke enlightened [...] could put you and your convenient set of values in question. [...] Get fkd. Get fkd, you are as stupid as those two grannies [...] awful people stopping you from reaching your Elysium. GET FKD."
You called me "stupid" and told me to "get f*cked" and now you can't even read from your comment how this was directed against me? Please!
  • 14 2
 @WAKIdesigns the pig idiom is not ad hominem or name calling. It’s a metaphor to describe the pleasure you take in verbal sparring. Dare you deny it? I’ve been hanging out around here long enough to know you can take any side, often turning on a dime just to keep somebody honest and guessing. If there were a vote to ban you, I wouldn’t. I find your comments generally entertaining and often insightful, even if sometimes crude and eye-rollingly hyperbolic. I’m just reminding others where their power lies.
  • 5 1
 How about the moderators just nuke this thread?
  • 2 27
flag WAKIdesigns (May 20, 2020 at 6:22) (Below Threshold)
 @mitochris: I used "you" as general just like people use "man" in Swedish. Sorry. Again no intention to offend you.
  • 4 26
flag WAKIdesigns (May 20, 2020 at 6:23) (Below Threshold)
 @BiNARYBiKE: I am not offended, just played a ball to you Big Grin
  • 4 5
 @WAKIdesigns: likewise. I am smiling through this whole thing.
  • 4 2
 @pourquois-pas: >> critically analyze ALL sources of information to see through the bias

This is true; I guess the challenge IMO is when does something move from "bias source of information" => "propaganda"? Surely there's some point at which I can safely ignore certain sources without fear of shrinking my viewpoint? Otherwise you are in very real danger of entering "some person XYZ's ideas are decent.." territory.

I think it's a challenge of nuance and judgement - 2 things that don't go over very well on the internet or specifically online comments...
  • 3 0
 @Robbyc1979: thought the term was chickens&@t. Smile
  • 2 7
flag jaame (May 20, 2020 at 7:26) (Below Threshold)
 "People do not consume the news in order to be morally improved by journalists."
  • 5 10
flag BMcP (May 20, 2020 at 8:26) (Below Threshold)
 @WAKIdesigns: slay WAKI, slay! Great rant
  • 3 6
 @Steventux: so tell us what we should read oh bastion of virtue and moral fibre.
  • 5 13
flag jrocksdh (May 20, 2020 at 8:33) (Below Threshold)
 Ironically, the ladies are most likely lefties. As opposed to those on the right, whom generally live by 'mind your own business'. Now if this was private property and they were the owner of said land they'd be justified to do whatever they want. Of course, signs would be appropriate to start. A major issue may be that riders are posting this trail on YouTube and its not totally legal really...i dont know those facts
  • 6 0
 @unleash: you should definitely try and read.
  • 2 8
flag unleash (May 20, 2020 at 9:09) (Below Threshold)
 @Steventux: ahhh I'm realing great come back,thought you might have some positive thoughts on literature and media outlets that could allow us to be privy to the wealth of information that you obviously are endowed with, as a man of low intelligence and barely literate I thought I might be able to look upto you and all the other sycophantic harbingers of right think.i need your schooling on politics and a hand in determining right from wrong.
  • 11 2
 @jrocksdh: I guarantee you 100% they are not lefties. I think the attitudes on both sides of the spectrum vary between the US and UK (or even Europe more generally). In the UK I will bet my left nut those two are Tory voters.
  • 5 1
 Hey guys really good job by Nathen though right??? (The topic of the video above)
  • 9 3
 @Obidog: I almost always ignore him, he isn't worth arguing over anything because he doesn't really stand for anything other than agitating people and then insulting them, and then denying insulting them and attempting to distract from it with more cynical bs. Which he has done here right in front of our eyes again even after being called out for it!

I see somebody who is actively trying to be a terrible human being. He hates environmentalists and makes fun of them at every opportunity. Petends to be in the middle politically when he's obviously a right wing agitator with the racially offensive comments. Hardly a day goes by without him insulting somebody.

But the best and most revealing part of this is that Wak didn't protest at all and didn't deny that he rides like your 60 year old grandma on a commuter bike.
  • 3 0
 @plyawn: technically there is no difference. However you could draw a line with propaganda being more intentionally inflammatory or seeking action of a audience.

We also have a terrible tendency to look through different eyes at history and today. Much of today’s “news” will be considered special interest group propaganda In the future. Of course that’ll depend on who gets to write the official history record (if such a thing ever exist again, or ever will).
  • 2 0
 @unleash: I’d recommend goosebumps. Really good read. Very in-depth story lines. And plots, oh the plots sooo deep.
  • 3 7
flag Muddslinger (May 20, 2020 at 9:45) (Below Threshold)
 There’s a lot of people ganging up on one guy. I know it’s just the internet. Still not very nice however annoying you find the guy.
  • 2 1
 @BiNARYBiKE: Stoke the fire. Who is the more foolish. The fool or the fool who follows?
  • 13 6
 @WAKIdesigns: I was with you before with that guy who thought that society shouldn't take care of its drug addicts etc, but not here mate. To me it seems very simple...

Race hate crimes are growing everyday in the UK.
The Daily Mail, a UK newspaper, insights racial hatred.
Pinkbike has posted a link to the Daily Mail website.
Every time that link is clicked The Daily Mail make more money.
So by displaying that link on the website, Pinkbike are indirectly supporting the spread of racial hatred.
Asking pinkbike to remove the link is a perfectly valid request and I would argue, common decency.

Any talk of politics here is missing the point and just a distraction.
  • 6 16
flag JDUBKC (May 20, 2020 at 10:27) (Below Threshold)
 @jrocksdh:


Two old Hags in the video represents the Left. Nathan represents the Right. Simple.
  • 3 13
flag unleash (May 20, 2020 at 11:57) (Below Threshold)
 @JDUBKC: on point
  • 9 0
 @jaame: I'll bet 10 farthing's the Daily Mail is your go to.
  • 1 1
 @wakiisapuddinghead: the fool who follows the fool following the fool, obviously!
  • 8 14
flag WAKIdesigns (May 20, 2020 at 15:08) (Below Threshold)
 @dicky1080: The problem with identity politics is that even sensible person like you, even though you cracked through first few layers of this disgusting shit cake, you still think I am defending Daily Mail. I am not. I wouldn’t wipe my ass with it, or with Guradian Telegraph or New York times. But I have to make it clear that I am not a racist, xnophobe, homophobe and so and and so on, because world is full of idiots who need an extremely clear separation between good and evil. Oh he’s on my side. Because you are blinded by ideology you fail to understand that this News of a bloke and two women was reported in Daily Mail and thus it is inseparable. You can’t have a report on trail sabotage and no link to where it came from. You can’t. No can do how. You can question the whole idea of posting this meaningless article. It’s the only valid response
  • 6 0
 @DoubleCrownAddict: There has to be a way to put Waki in on the ebike content filter.
  • 5 1
 @WakisNo1Fan: I'm not liberal, I'm more of an old school conservative. But Wackjobs riding edits are hilarious, especially when you read the comments about how he has read Lopes book on bike handling. What a joke, is riding a bike actually fun when you are that slow? Probably not as much fun for him as irritating and then insulting people on Pinkbike, making racially offensive jokes, or making fun of people who care about the planet that sustains our existence.
  • 4 0
 @mcozzy: And to those of us who don't ID with any particular propaganda program who are decent humans.
It's a waste of bloody trees!
  • 3 9
flag WAKIdesigns (May 21, 2020 at 1:05) (Below Threshold)
 @WakisNo1Fan: thank you for putting me in the center of attention, but I honestly don’t appreciate it since it feels as creepy as old wanker having a go at a student gal. You have no idea how liberating those videos are. It’s a fetish of mine, imagining all those shitty thoughts they provoke, they bring up the smelliest condescending feelings from people like you. Those who get the bait Smile
  • 7 2
 @WakisNo1Fan: my 2 year old is faster.
  • 4 8
flag WAKIdesigns (May 21, 2020 at 1:57) (Below Threshold)
 @WakisNo1Fan: tell me, how often do you feel like this in your life, that you feel better, that you are so confident that you are better, superior to somebody else. You don’t know me, have never met me, you are just painting a picture and in absence of the model... the only model is what you feel, about yourself. I am Liberation of your own ID because now you can become the super ego. I am your chance so that you can become your father, mother, girl that didn’t want you, dude you looked up to who despised you in the end. All those negative vibes you got, now you take my videos and you finally feel stronger, virtual overcoming of yourself. This nasty form of pleasure you bathe in. Because there’s a screen between you and me, you are free to become whoever you are and mold me into whatever you want. Tell me, how powerful you feel when you write to me? We skipped the whole origin of the topic, we are talking about me, waki, you made username with waki, but isn’t it that all this time we are talking about you? When you gaze into the void for too long... the cyber void sucking meaning out of your life with each single word you type.
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flag WAKIdesigns (May 21, 2020 at 2:10) (Below Threshold)
 @WakisNo1Fan: every clickbait is a slide into the void. You react on it, you slide down. Going into my profile, My videos is a worm hole. Now piss off, you are useless to me
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 @WAKIdesigns:
congratulations, this for me is your comment / pint! that sums up both your stupidity and blatant
narcissism the best anyone who enjoys the PB comment section but has to suffer your constant bull crap will be aware of how much there is to chose from, so well done, seriously.
take a break from patting your self on the back and well, pat your self on the back.
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 @WAKIdesigns:
@WakisNo1Fan:
that's f*cking hilarious,
@WAKIdesigns you ride a bike like one of the old ladies in the video,
call me a very sad person, but in a current lockdown situation seeing you ride has made my day,
because I finally have no reason what so ever to read any you comment you ever make on here.
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 UNSUBSCRIBE
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flag WAKIdesigns (May 21, 2020 at 3:12) (Below Threshold)
 @Uncled: I thought everyone has seen it before? Do you by a tiniest chance think that I uploaded these to showcase my riding skills? If yes, then I reached my goal indeed. I believe it’s fair to ask you folks for uploading your riding Smile pic in fullface and zero own content often means that you are a first class Joey Smile
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flag WAKIdesigns (May 21, 2020 at 3:47) (Below Threshold)
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 @WakisNo1Fan: No. What you fail to realize is that we have two extremes here. Nathan and Waki. One is a stellar example of a good gentlemen and role model for all of us. Waki is at the other end of this spektrum. And anybody who condones, supports, or is entertained by his behaviours is equally if not more worthy of receiving a good kick up the backside.
Any yes my 2 year old is faster, in other words a better example of a decent human being.
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 @WAKIdesigns: Waki, I think you just need to absorb the principles and frame work of neo Marxist existentialism. Read Jean-Paul Sartre. These ideals cast a shadow long before the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk in the Soviet Union. Read about the Bolsheviks, read Michel Foucault, read poststructuralism, read Russell, and Wittgenstein. Read Dr Seuss. Read Kat Williams and read Mary HIGGINS Clark
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 @WAKIdesigns: and, I can’t wait for the Waki crucifixion to resume today. I got in bed early last night and wrote a few things down. I set my alarm a little earlier and got in a wholesome breakfast. I’m ready to go. You’re bobbing and weaving your way out of this Waki but I’m not telegraphing my punches today. I hope you’re ready....
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 @WakisNo1Fan: and Waki designs are one and the same!
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 @WakisNo1Fan: how far can in insert ones head up ones own arse without support? Please define
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 @WakisNo1Fan: deep down, I know that you’re right. Errrr
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 @WakisNo1Fan: same Mac address
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 @WAKIdesigns:
@WAKIdesigns:
I'm really happy with my bike skills, I'm always learning but have never felt the need to
upload any thing. I have no need for any justification from any one, there are so many better bike riders than me uploading stuff. Where as you my friend, you ride like a very old lady suffering from hemorrhoids and somehow felt the need to share that with the rest of the world.
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 @WAKIdesigns: I disagree. They could post the article and name the source without linking it, then if anyone wants to check the facts they can do their own research. Or they could contact the kid and interview him directly, or search out the police record and report that. There are many ways of presenting the story without including that link.

It's blatantly obvious that you are not racist, xenophobic etc etc, one only need dip into your recent posts to see that, anyone who can't see that needs to stop a little, have a think and view this thing in a wider context before reacting. And I never felt you were defending the daily mail either.

What I did feel was that you came in with the "politically correct" attitude that just wasn't necessary in this instance ; the post wasn't about politics, the op asked for the link to be removed so as not to give support to a racist organisation, nothing more. Clearly there are other newspapers out there, both left and right wing, who stir up hatred, but that's not the point and bringing that up is a distraction. I don't feel I am blinded by ideology in this situation, (my personal policial views are that neither right or left is the way to go (NLRBE baby!)) unless you mean the ideology that spreading hate is not good, then in that case you are completely correct!
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 @WAKIdesigns: quite amusing reading through these comments mate, you really have made quite the impression Big Grin I congratulate you.

One can't help wondering though why so many users have nothing better to do than hurl insults at you? Some very dull lives being lived out there for sure.
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 @dicky1080: Ever heard the phrase you reap what you sow? Waki's #1 fan effectively trolling and confusing him was brilliant and shows that Waki isn't the smart troll like some people think. He's more of a addicted right wing agitator/miserable cynic.

80 people upvoted the idea for a permanent lifetime ban for him.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: people asking for others to be banned is just as bad as trolls themselves.

Learn not to feed trolls and you'll live a happier pinkbike life.
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 @dicky1080: agree. Why don’t people see through his act? I think his schtick is pretty obvious. Think Opie and Anthony or Bill Burr with a Central European perspective and language barrier. Both the cultural context and vernacular are just lost in translation. He’s getting a rise outta y’all and it’s working.
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flag WAKIdesigns (May 21, 2020 at 10:54) (Below Threshold)
 Hugs to all you pathetic low lives. This time has been fantastic, you guys took it to a whole new level Smile
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 @WakisNo1Fan: should I post your common home address?
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 Miserable. Old. Cunts
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 I used to hate it when Pinkbike placed astrix's in your swear words. So this comment is guilty pleasure! Too fackin' right they are!
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 @Waldon83: It still puts asterisks in a*sholes weirdly. c*nts is ok though.

(Edit: Apparently not for me. Bertbc is allowed to swear.)
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 @Patrick9-32: Weird - it automatically added the asterix when I typed it in and the comment first appeared! It's somehow un-edited itself!
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 Waki? I know.
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 Here is the US we call them KAREN... Karens are the Apex Predators in our society. They destroy everything in their path, especially Men.
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 But - the Daily Mail called them “two respectable retired women”!?!
If they weren’t ‘respectable’, would it have been more or less wrong? Where does one obtain such respectability? Trail work?
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 @twozerosix: A good start on the road to respectability is not trying to hurt people because they are doing something you disagree with but isn't harming anyone.
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 @Patrick9-32: I hear that. It was just a curious choice of an adjective by DM. Maybe its a cultural difference as a sentence like that would raise eyebrows in a US newspaper. They've lost whatever prior respectability they might have enjoyed though!
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 @twozerosix: in daily mail-land there are probably as many people on the side of the women as there are on ours. They know exactly what they are doing with that word choice.
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 @johnnyboy11000: ahhhh I get it.
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 @Patrick9-32: It won't even let me write Sc*nthorpe.
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 the sad pathetic fun police got caught in the act, well done for staying calm nathan
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 Totally agree, spot on for being calm and polite in the face of pompous self-entitlement and condescension.
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 @Steventux: Makes me think of Hot Fuzz.
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 @dingus: The Greater Good!
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 A few weeks ago there was another story about trail vandalism and I made the comment about it might not be who you expect doing it. PBers supported the comment and look at this a parish councillor and a teacher!!
These NIMBYs have no problem letting their dogs crap everywhere or let horses use these trails and rip it up (and crap everywhere) but when it comes to bikes they are prepared to potentially cause a very nasty injury to someone for doing something they cant do and happen not to like.
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 These are the ones who were a parish councillor and teacher.
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 It does bug me when people let dogs poop right on a trail. Any trail, walking, riding, whatever. I mean come on, they could at least do it just off the blooming trail!
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 @carlitouk: I rode through dog poo yesterday with both tyres. Disgusting.
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 They deliberately went out of their way to make a public space dangerous for its users.

If they were to dig a hole in the pavement to try to harm old ladies and disabled people they would be in prison, there is literally no difference except the victim between the two acts. Why are they not being treated like the murderous a*sholes they are because their victims are likely young active people?
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 @Boardergreen: read my comment agai n
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 @Shredtheduck: i blame my eyes and hayfever....and the fact i tend to scan things d'oh
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 @jaame: dog shit is an amazing substance. The way it penetrates between the knobs of your tires or shoe treads, then clings on through repeated attempts to clean it... And the smell - how can something stink for so long? or be both a sticky viscous solid and a runny fluid. I hope we have our top scientists on this...
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 @plyawn: you're right! It's amazing stuff!
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 Last week I had the pleasure of being ranted at by a dog walker (as I moved over and waited in the verge to let him past) as he though the trail was too narrow and therefore I shouldn't be allowed to ride there. Then as I pulled back onto the trail, the all too familiar waft of stench accompanied by a rather large clump of grass stuck to both tyres. I swear if I catch one of them at it I'll run the bastard over.
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 @plyawn: its because of the shit people feed their dogs ... if you barf them, their shit stinks much less ;-)
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 @carlitouk: As much as I hate riding through dogshit, it's the twats that bag it up then leave it hanging in the tree that piss me off the most.
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 @commental: or drop it in the car park so when you open your door you step on it. I always have this idea that someone must have been sprayed with dogshit from an exploding bag that someone has inadvertently run over in their car in a car park. You're just walking along minding your own business and then splat - dogger all over your face.
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 @jaame: as we speak there's one of those right outside in my street with a good year tread right through it. I've also just caught one trying to have a jimmy riddle up against the side of my shed. I'm a level headed guy normally but some f*cker is gonna be eating dog eggs at this rate.
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 Some form of punishment needs to be applied to these women! Can you imagine if someone had been injured - or worse - due to these actions. At least some fines and community service. Glad this kid got em on camera doing this sh!+ !
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 Also worth mentioning how well this kid handled himself compared to the crazy old blue hairs. Props to him for staying calm, speaking clearly and avoiding further confrontation.
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 @Trudeez: Good comment!
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 @Trudeez: indeed that is a proof of maturity. I am not sure I would stay calm, but that is the main mistake these two "fragile" women were looking for.
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 @Trudeez: Pure alpha energy VS some animus possession.
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 It would be amazing to live in the kind of world where these people got community service spending 40 hours with a shovel building trails.
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 @Patrick9-32: Best comment yet. Sounds like perfect punishment for the crime, providing their trail building supervisor has a whip to ensure they work hard...
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 @Patrick9-32: Yea, but you'd have to Chain Gang work them or they'd just stand around running their overactive pie holes.
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 Ol mate was way too polite to the scumbags. Name and shame the twits and have them up on attempted manslaughter.
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 The paper has name and shamed mate
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 People do damage to trails to “deter” riders. However, they make the trails potentially very hazardous. Conflicts in California include wire across trails, nails in roots, logs on the landings of jumps. It’s not a smart path for people to take. There is always a solution other than potentially putting someone in the hospital...... okay rant over thanks for coming to my ted talk.
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 If I ever came across someone sabotaging a trail it would be my unlucky day as well as theirs....I would most certainly do something I’d regret.

This kid is mature beyond what many of us are capable of! A good look for mtb....I would have absolutely lost my shit and wanted them to hurt. I may not be able to hit the old bats, but I could put the damn fear of god in em.

Pieces of shit
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 Fair play to Nathan for remaining calm and letting them rant - best way to eventually get them to admit they are melters.
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 I remember something similar happened to me:

I was doing some bunny hops in a parking lot off a kerb with a friend, and an ugly fat lady started yelling at us from a balcony: "I WILL CALL THE POLICE, YOU GANGSTERS!"

This still cracks me up laughing today.
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 Unfortunately this is becoming more and more common these days...looks like the lockdown made it even worse because it has increased considerably the number of (angry) walkers on the trails...a couple of weeks ago a young girl fell off due to wires across my local trails and broke her shoulder. I've had a couple of falls due to these type of things before. It's disgusting and for me the main cause is the division between footpaths and bridleways you have here...go to Scotland where you don't have this, and the relationship between bikers and walkers is a lot better...people are more respectful, aware and kind to each other. Lets hope it won't take someone dying to actually see some change!?
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 I agree. There have been millions more people out and about since Covid Tourism became a thing. I have to admit that the main reason for the friction is that one group has the belief that they have the right to use that place, while you do not. I'm guilty of it myself when people get in the way at the local trail centre, walking on bike tracks and not paying attention to me coming up from behind. It pisses me off because they sh9uld not be there. We have few enough bike only trails as it is. On the other hand, I am always deferent to walkers when I ride.on footpaths because I know it's technically illegal. If we all saw each other as humans, and there was no distinction between footpaths and bridelways as y9u say, it would be a lot better I think.
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 Unfortunately Scotland is not immune to trail sabotage. There was a bad one just before Overtoun House coming off the Kilpatrick Hills. A large tree branch had been dragged over a downhill section after a blind corner. Thankfully, the person going down before me didn't know the trail and had gone really slowly and was able to stop and then warn me. Would have been a shocker hitting that at speed.
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 @jaame: i couldn't have put it any better, you've hit the nail right on the head. A good time to be wary and ride within limits, you never know what some old fool has left for you round that blind corner or brow. Don't get me started on dog shit....
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 @jaame: if there was no distinction, it solves one of the main issues and remove the argument! This world was created for everyone to enjoy it! However, it’s also annoying to see when you have bridleways and footpaths side-by-side but walkers actually prefer to walk on the bridleways...you can never win...cars want to kill you and believe you have no right to be on the road...and trails are less and less open to ride...especially nice interesting ones!
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 @gbcarmona: it's not easy is it? I ride on a lot of footpaths, but I feel like they are often wasted because I'm not irresponsible enough to put the hammer down knowing there could be walkers around the next corner waiting to be hit by me, or another rider (NWA reference). Before the covid it used to be ok on midweek afternoons - there was not much chance of seeing anyone so you could let the brakes off a bit. These days there is no quiet day. It's awful. One has to stick to trail centres to get a wriggle on.
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 @john260164: That's when it becomes really dangerous when some idiot(s) purposely put large branches, etc on blind corners and right after drop offs or jumps, as this can cause extremely serious and life threatening injuries. Since we cannot be vigilante's, this is when the courts should be prosecuting to the law's full extent, as this type of malicious act should be considered "intent to injure and possibly kill someone".

Well trained dogs like my Heeler do NOT poop on the trail. She always goes off the trail in the bush before doing the Hulk Hogan...
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 Welcome to Ingurlund! I f*cking hate "my" country. Can't believe how much of this is going on atm.
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 It happens here too....sad. Look at the effort put in this one www.trailforks.com/photo/18598779
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 Fucking walkers, most of them are like this. Over the lockdown I have strictly only ridden on bridleways, despite there being lots of single-track that are 'footpaths'. Despite this, and the fact that I am legally allowed to ride on these tracks, most walkers I pass have sour bakes on them and despite me saying hello and being polite, they can't even crack a smile never mind say hello back. What a sad sad life they must live, I feel sorry for them.
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 While riding the fireroads to my local singletrack I can guess with great accuracy which walkers won't return my greetings. I make a game of it.
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 @iamamodel: Yeah, I play that game too haha. I think my success rate is about 90%
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 Impressive how well he handled the situation, despite his young age. Polite and correct with the power to stop the argument at the exact right moment.
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 Not cool at all to sabotaging trials. on the flip side with lockdown the number of jumps areas created in woods near me, most without permission has gone up. I commend the kids for getting out there and doing something constructive and they have built some great jumps, and if done well people usually don't mind. But at some the amount of rubbish left everywhere, the damage done to nature , fences, and wildlife is notable, so I can understand how non bikers can get annoyed , all parties need to show a bit more understanding and common sense. If people are building trails keep em discrete, tidy, and stay calm, with a smile.
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 My kids and I noticed this the other day. Some local young guys have built an 8 pack in the woods. There are four piles of beer cans, monster cans, crisp packets and CoOp bags next to each double. Why they leave it there is a mystery.
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 @jaame: it's no mystery, just lazy twunts who expect others to clean up after them, or more likely just simply don't care.
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 This exact same thing is happening near me, there's a particular area of the woods which looks more like a bike park every time I go back. It's pretty cool to see the work they've done until you see the amount of rubbish they leave along with massive pits right beside the trail where they have taken material to build up takeoffs etc. It's along a popular walking route too so it's only a matter of time before the wrong person comes along and starts to kick up a fuss, then the whole area will end up off limits to everyone.
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 Mad props to you for keeping your cool and displaying such maturity in the way you confronted them, Nathan. I am 30 years older than you and I would have lost my shit with those two cunts, with the result that the visit from the police would have been for my ass instead of them.
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 Ha ha quite!
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 Those women should be in prison. Knowingly setting obstructions on a trail that could harm others. I don't know whats worse - the woke police or the fun police!
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 Who are the woke police?
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 @boozed: Good call ....should have been wokeness or the fun police.
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 @boozed: Alarm clocks.
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 Why is that when old British ladies give you a telling off, everything ends in a question? "That wasn't very smart, was it? You don't know the rules very well, do you?".

Rightly or wrongly, Nathan comes away form this looking like a nice mature young man, and the other two look like bitter old farts. You two are going to feel the wrath of social media, aren't you?
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 Name and shame them, it's likely highly effective as a deterrent against such behaviour in the future. See the case of Tina Kraal in North Vancouver (and thanks again to @leelau and co). The realization of huge public backlash of your own community and having your name immortalized for a despicable illegal act will discourage this from happening.

www.nsnews.com/news/north-vancouver-woman-accused-of-trail-sabotage-intends-to-plead-guilty-1.1825003
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 I was so thankful when they finally shut down her booby trap building. What happened in the end?
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 @50percentsure: she got 3 years probation and community service...

Here is the Global News article for reference

shouldn't something similar be doled out for this incident?
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 "we live here".

What does that mean?

Does that mean she owns the land or does that mean she lives in a bush.

A few years back a dog walker blocked me on a trail descent and shoved me backwards ranting. So I engaged him. He told me "bikers coming into my area riding". I said how long have you lived here/were you born here "no I'm from London".

I told him I was born and raised over the hill. I'm a Yorkshireman riding Yorkshire trails.

It didn't help matters.

Just because you rent or borrow money on a house doesn't mean you own anything outside the garden gate. Why are people so selfish?
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 That looks like a beginner trail, the type kids may ride on. There will be hell to pay if these two end up hurting someone's children with those booby traps.
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 Ah....the common "twunt", easy to spot - usually shouting right wing bigoted drivel with the inability to listen whilst causing destruction
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 My understanding is that the two ladies, should be charged with intent to cause injury and harm by placing those logs on the trail, regardless of it being private land and the lad not having permission, it's the same if you put barded wire on a fence you need a sign otherwise if someone climbs it and gets injured you are responsible, plus do they have permission to be there is it a walking trail? The lad done brilliant to keep his cool. And as prominent figures in the community they should know better.
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 If it was private land, what are the two ladies doing there - clearly don't live there.
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 Do you ever see hikers doing trail maintenance? No. It's always the mtb community that does the work to maintain trail
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 I get cussed out for doing trail maintenance all the time. I was sawing a felled tree in half this spring and two hikers informed me I was acting illegally, and that they were going to report me to DCR, as we mtb-ers think we own the woods. I informed them my elderly mother uses this trail and can't jump felled trees very well in her age. Wankers.
  • 6 0
 Happens all the time around Munich. In half a dozen rides always one or two situations like this. On the other hand some bikers around here are equally to blame. I resolve to avoid any communication.
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 To be fair, people build some pretty stupid hacked together shit on the Isartrails Wink There is a very small minority that create quite a bit of friction with other users in the area, which is sad, because if we're not careful, we're going to lose access (I live 5 minutes away from them) and responsible users will be up shit creek without a paddle.
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 @ferntreekid: indeed... and in these days of lockdown they built jumps and ramps everywhere.. it will end like the small jumps area under Pullach.. and adios isartrails.. for the sake of jumping
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 @opamp84: yup... They ruined bombenkrater for us this way. But up north west Munich is no better unfortunately.
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 Avoiding communication is often a good approach during the times. Here in America I've been hassled and made fun of twice for wearing a mask by Trump supporters who seemed to be seeking conflict. You will never convince them of anything and there is no reason or benefit to giving them a reaction.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: similarly, a rabid "Never Trump" (the kind of guy who will regurgitate the last few talking points he saw during every.single.ride.) acquaintance of mine has started taking photos during his rides of random cyclists who aren't wearing masks and shaming them on Strava and Facebook. Folks have really picked their political camps and let it pervade everything they think/say/do. Strange behavior.
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flag Beez177 (May 20, 2020 at 7:03) (Below Threshold)
 @DoubleCrownAddict: Did they have MAGA hats on? How do you know their political affiliation. Bottoming line, I think you're full of shit. I've been hassled by liberal elitist self centered hikers ( all women too) endlessly for riding on multi use trails, when there are an abundance of hiking only trails in the same area. You're clearly part of the problem with the divide in this country...
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 @Beez177: Liberal elitist hikers? Do they have badges on or something?
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 @jayacheess: They didn't tell me they were Trump supporters but it is obvious what bs news media sources they are being manipulated by.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: Do you have a suggestion for legitimate news sources?
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 @jayacheess: I was making a reference to the idiotic stereotyping that doublecrownaddict was using, clearly that went over your head. Yes they did have badges on, because I don't know any conservative lesbians moron...
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 @jayacheess: try PB comment news, totally factual.
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 @Beez177: Way harsh, bro
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 @jayacheess: Apparently he does not.
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 Daily mail - not the most in-dept journalistic article ever:

Police have spoken to two respectable retired women over claims they laid dangerous traps for cyclists in woodland.

Officers acted after mountain biker Nathan Cartwright, 17, found his path blocked with rocks and branches, then spotted two women who openly admitted they had put them there to stop cyclists.

The pair, former parish councillor Anna Hacket-Pain, and retired teacher Wendy McLachlan, both 62, suggested the youngster was breaking lockdown rules by travelling to the beauty spot, and trespassing on private land.

He argued that he only lived a mile away, that they had no more right to be there than him, and that as residents of different households they should not have been out together.
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 This is in my local area and it's not even the tip of the iceberg. I ride mainly in 3 diffirent forest around this area and we've had to deal with this sort of shite for ages. they always come across as very entitled or there way or the highway. This video has been shown to the police and they visited the women one of which was a Teacher and they got a warning lol but we've also had to deal with people laying fallen down tree across trails and even in the past couple weeks we've had nail traps that have been partly buried at the end of trail which isn't just dangerous for us riders but also the general public. it's actually mad
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 Some people just cant stand others having fun.
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 Good, lad, kept your cool and was polite all the way through. Most people would have told them to do one....flippin idiots....
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 This kind of stuff happens all the time on my rides ... after the 15th conversation like this, you will start giving a sh** about them. It doesn't matter how good and understandable your arguments are, they normally just insist to be an as*hol*.
If you talk to the owner of the land its a completely different story but most of the time they are quite nice people.
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 Hat off to the young lad, I’d have lost my @&!£ and ended up banged up.
Seeing more and more of this of persons of a certain age (boomers cough cough) who feel they are entitled to do whatever pops into their heads.
Sooner they are all in home with zimmers, being fed through syringes the better.
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 Sad this is, this happens all the time an they're just using covid fears to justify they're criminal actions.Typical arrogance of the middle class/ Boomers
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 This attitude makes no sense to me. I have had many heated debates over riding in legal parks when people just don't like bikes. What is ridiculous to me, is if people don't like bikes then why go hiking on multi-use trails when there are numerous "hiking only" trails around. In my area, "hiking only trails" outnumber multi-use trails 3 to 1 and the "hiking only" trails are way better trails for hiking. When I hike, I go to hiking only trails because I prefer the less traffic.
  • 5 1
 If those old chooks had better sense.... got themselves e bikes for f#ck sake.... hitting the flow of switch backs digging in sweet berms, a decent set of doubles..... YEW!!! Send on!..... Go shred Nath!
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 "former parish councilor and a retired teacher" instead of making trails dangerous, maybe they should be doing their due diligence against f@&king Rock Spiders.
  • 8 0
 F@kin Karens!!!!
  • 6 0
 You behave differently when you know the camera is on - even so, well done Nathan - making sure you were recording was ace
  • 7 0
 Fun police. I am 51 and still deal with them all the time.
  • 6 0
 I always wonder what makes old people wake up in the morning and go "I'm gonna try and ruin someone's day today"
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 I don't quite understand the approach of the police doing nothing. They talked to them and then no consequence. If a rider had been caught doing something you know there would be a fine or service etc. This slap-on-the-wrist bullshit is what encourages them to do it because there is no real consequence for their actions. They knowingly sabotaged a trail with the potential to cause bodily harm. If the police handed out huge fines or community service it would act as a deterrent to people doing this shit. This kid should set up a game cam cuz I would put money on those spiteful women going back out and doing it again.
  • 3 0
 That lady doesn't know much about the law... hitting dog with a bike = manslaughter, sorry, don't think so lady. Intentionally leaving obstructions with the intent to mame or injure a human being, now that would actually qualify as attempted manslaughter. Morons
  • 6 0
 cant believe he was so calm ;-) well done
  • 6 0
 Well played Nathan. That horrible woman doesn't know much about law.
  • 6 0
 NGL, I died at "manslaughter"

...dogslaughter?!
  • 6 0
 Nathan, this brew's for you (when you turn 18 ;P )
  • 2 0
 A good day to see pushback on this sort of thing; this is happening increasingly in Hampshire with people deciding to lay traps- pleased the cops chose to speak to the people setting the traps, rather than the people lawfully exercising....
  • 4 0
 Wow, that young man did amazingly well to keep his cool, much better then I’d have managed... What an absolute pair of swivel eye’d NIMBY lunatics.
  • 5 0
 WAIT!!!!! Did anyone notice that he was riding an ebike?!?!?!?!?

Oh Nathan!!! You were doing so well.

#getmesomepopcorn
  • 4 0
 Their name is Karen. Very impressed with how polite you were Nathan, impressive stuff. I definitely would have lost my cool with those entitled twats.
  • 2 0
 There has been a sharp rise in this sort of activity here in Northern California. Funny thing is, the trails that are being sabotaged were built and are maintained by mountain bikers. Only recently did hordes of self-righteous walkers flock to them to assert their ownership... I commend this guy for keeping his cool; i know I would not have been able to after that much BS.

I really don't understand the sense of entitlement that these folks have. Can't just let people go about their business enjoying their day, gotta make everyone else as miserable as they are.

While I hope that the authorities make an example out of these women, you would be kidding yourself if you thought it would make a difference. The sad truth is that we all need to be more vigilant until the masses get their regularly scheduled TV shows back and live on their couches once again. Until then, stay safe!
  • 4 2
 Stupid, ignorant women are choosing to initiate violence, the outcomes of these kinds of decisions are never good and it's entirely predictable. They need some jail time and community service to consider what they've done, and they should feel lucky they weren't physically harmed.
  • 2 0
 Top man Nathan! Handled the situation like a pro mate! It just goes to show how people that should know better and responsible can do what I class as evil things towards others because they don't share the same appreciation and conflicts with their agenda. I hope they don't get away with it! Nice work bud!
  • 2 0
 props to the kid for not freaking out because I'm sure I would. Here in Portland Oregon we have a trial system here in the city, forest park wich is primarily off limits to cycling besides the main gravel rd and some fire lanes. I have seen on multiple occasions trial sabotage and it has gone as far as people finding trip wires with bullets rigged for cyclists to hit. The fire lanes are pretty steep so it would be very hard to see them in time
  • 2 0
 I'm used to it. My DJ stash gets trashed I gave up . A short but fun trail in a small park gets logged every time I ride the trail. I always stop to talk to other trail users asking who is responsible and that as a mountain biker I mean no harm to other user groups. These angry people could potentially cause harm they should be charged and convicted .
  • 3 0
 Amazed the local police actually took action. In San Diego we've seen a couple cases of barbed wire strung across trails at neck level and the local police think it's a "prank" rather than the attempted murder it really is.
  • 2 0
 Laguna beach, ca. Skim board company called 'Victoria'.
Call 'Tex'(he uses this fake name to blast anti mtb rhetoric to the ears and eyes of the higher ups/newspapers et al in town)....ring ring ring, email email email...
He's anti mtb Laguna. How many skim boarders also ride mtb? They need to know about this guy.
  • 7 1
 Lock em up!
  • 4 0
 The social shaming for the 2 retired ladies is going to be punishment enough.
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 Let's sure hope so. Thanks to biglev for naming them; former parish councillor Anna Hacket-Pain, and retired teacher Wendy McLachlan, both 62. If social shaming and a visit by the police does not deter these stupid self serving malicious old bats, "PLEASE" put them behind bars. Maybe this will deter others...

Hard to believe people can be so thoughtless, stupid, and uncaring for others, especially due to their previous jobs. I wonder what they would think if a rider ran into a tree head 1st cracking their vertebrae just as they were setting their traps? Would the pastor think this is God's way or would she actually accept what she has done? Regardless, being a pastor, she would probably just say God forgive's her sin, if she even had the brains to realize this was a terrible sin. I guess these 2 shameless old ladies don't have any grandchildren? What would they think if their grandchild was riding down this trail and got really hurt or even worst...Seriously, and the other one used to teach children what's right and wrong???
  • 7 1
 fk those bitches
  • 7 0
 not even with yours
  • 4 0
 This does my head in so much. Only miserable, vile, despicable people would do something like this.
  • 4 0
 "...it is illegal to set a trap to injure or kill people" Wait, really? Um, brb.
  • 1 0
 Wait , was that a disagreement ? It’s hard to tell with non Americans.
No empty threats , or foul language, no horses , no motor bikes ??
I thought he was gathering kindling for their cook stove so they could cook him brunch ??
  • 1 0
 Their instant aggression and argumentative behaviour of these two is abhorrent.
Even if he were there illegally their behaviour is reprehensible, everybody is entitled to have a civil conversation about these things. They did their cause no good at all, quite the opposite in fact.
All that said I liv in North Yorkshire and they are one of the most understaffed police forces in the UK (and that's saying something) this won't be high on their radar at all. Whichever side they were to take.
  • 1 0
 Good lad for not losing your cool because I would have given them a right telling off. Yesterday, I saw that a lot of my local trails have been purposely vandalised. I fail to see why as they were out of the way. Ive also seen many times before the sticks and obstacles across the tracks. If a rider hit those and got hurt as a result then that falls under GBH. Careful out there dudes because there is a lot of this happening at the moment because of lockdown. Final thing. If you had hit a dog riding then that would have totally been the owners fault for not having it "under control in a public area". That is the law!
  • 1 0
 oh look, it's Karen and her friend Karen. Just out placing obstacles on trails so someone can get hurt for trying to have fun. These two cunts think that no one should be able to use the trails in anyway except for the way that they are using it. They don't see the need for people to ride mechanical devices at breakneck speeds because they don't take part in that activity. Furthermore, he should not be out riding his bike because he could pass on COVID to other animals and things. Both karens are the exception because they are out there to make sure no one else is. They can be out there because they aren't going to give anyone COVID because no one is supposed to be out on the trails. So if no one is allowed out on the trails it's OK if they go out on the trails since no one should be out there. The biker is putting both karens at risk and the rider should be more aware of his actions and his poor choice to be outside putting both the women at risk. They are out there patrolling the area to make sure people like this bike rider aren't out breaking the rules. If other people are out on the trails then both of the karens can't go out to patrol and make sure they are safe so all those other people are being inconsiderate of the karens who are actually helping the community by being out there to make sure no one else is out there.
  • 5 0
 Assholes
  • 4 0
 Good work on keeping your cool. Well played.
  • 4 0
 This guy absolutely smashed that, stayed so chilled, what a legend!
  • 4 4
 This exact same thing was going on at Santos Trails in Ocala FL.

youtu.be/CDynmqXqfwg
youtu.be/LiTCR3D1ThY

According to one State of FL employee (who has some serious pull) - they KNOW who the person was, that person is a (board?) member of OMBA and was "talked to". Talked to? That person needs to be criminally charged.

OMBA, the hosts for the Santos Fat Tire festival may as well roll up their collective mats and go home. Locally, no one has time for them, nor their Condo Board style of apathetic, underqualified "leadership". The fact that it seems a preponderance of the evidence is that OMBA as a club and its member(s) are responsible for booby-trapping trails??? Um, yeah. They need not wonder why it is that on volunteer days the same (under 10) people show up...
oddly, to keep to a theme, school teachers, Govt employees (worker bee's) and the like are a similarity between the OP's offender and the OMBA board. They are in charge, just ask them....
  • 2 0
 I was unaware of that. At Santos, no less!
  • 5 0
 Those wires are f*cked up. What the f*ck is wrong with people? I've too experienced this, but with climbing ropes tied across the trail. Ended up with an education employee admitting to doing it, "to keep kids inbounds". Yeah okay.......
  • 2 0
 If authorities don't act, then publicly shame them. Don't rely on others to always act.
  • 1 0
 Many of us would throw those two old lads close to the shovel search area, just in case they can see it while flying down over the mountain. But the guy is a true gentlemen,very calm and polite.
  • 5 0
 Karen level 100
  • 2 0
 9000
  • 5 0
 Hang 'em high!
  • 3 0
 Great job by Nathan. Dog walkers - No poop bags , No maintenance and No brains.
  • 3 0
 Nice job maintaining your cool. Also love the edit, the hitmarker was perfect!
  • 2 0
 Nutters are out in force it seems, Monday eve we got shot at with a bow and arrow- www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5W4CDUeRv0&feature=youtu.be
  • 2 0
 I will happily deal with these two women through the appropriate channels. Would some kind Brit please forward me their info?
  • 1 1
 Came to read this article due to number of comments only to find they are mostly about Waki - dude generates traffic; pinkbike should pay him not ban him Smile Besides, he actually rides a lot and knows some actual stuff related to mtb. Ultimately I'm pretty sure he is just advocating riding more and self-awareness/conciousness, but he is a champion button-pusher (lit. & fig. Smile )
  • 1 0
 God its so annoying to hear those nagging ass bitches in the woods. Put them out of their misery.

Maybe you could have explained, "I"m not going to hit you with the shovel, I just want it to bury you with."
  • 3 0
 Well done for remaining so calm and rational Nathan. ????
  • 3 0
 Track in background Max Brhon - Humanity
  • 5 1
 Karen at it again!
  • 7 8
 People on here argued that the issue shouldn't be politicized, and I largely agree. But it should be noted that those women were almost certainly conservatives. Part of the 'Boris Johnson can do no wrong' brigade! (yuk...) Those women are NOT ladies, but that young man IS definitely a gentleman.
  • 6 2
 I agree. Nobody should politicize it. Except you.
  • 5 2
 @TwoNGlenn: Well, maybe the incident was inherently political then! I live in London, and often ride in the vicinity of walkers, dog walkers, parents with kids, etc. I try to be careful & polite (drop my speed, smile, say 'excuse me' & 'thanks'), & generally people are receptive to that. But I've noticed LOADS of times that middle-aged folk look indignant, as I cruise past them! I know their type. They're entitled conservatives! And they SUCK!
  • 4 7
 @davydmx:

Let me get this strait... You can tell political affiliation based on how someone looks. And because they don't give you the attention you feel you deserve. You sound like a self-absorbed brat who needs attention. Move out of your parents basement liberal snowflake and take some responsibility for yourself. Wake up to the world and understand you are not the center of it. Your first post states you believe the issue shouldn't be politicized then immediately bash conservatives... Seriously grow up.
  • 5 1
 @JDUBKC: Lol! OK MAGA!
  • 4 0
 Well done Nathan.
  • 4 0
 John's a safe bet
  • 3 0
 Bravo Nathan for your calm and wisdom.
  • 2 0
 Those old biddies suck, but aside from all that...the Dog is having the TIME OF HIS LIFE there lol.
  • 2 0
 They aren't even the land owners. What a disaster for them to try intimidate someone like that.
  • 2 1
 Ok, that was absolutely uneventful.

“Do you know where me shovel went?”

Man up, find that shovel and bury those bitches!!
  • 5 3
 U got a loicense for that trail m8
  • 4 5
 HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!Theres no way that bald dude to the right was a woman!! CUNTS!!!Try that shit with me and there would be some serious problems that don't involve the police. SO FEEL LUCKY YOU SLOPPY CUNTS!
  • 4 1
 Fck you karen
  • 2 0
 Well handled Nathan. It's a shame people do this kind of thing
  • 2 0
 Good work kid! Way to handle that in the most professional way possible!
  • 3 0
 Karens
  • 2 0
 UK ladies want to speak to your manager.
  • 1 0
 Man he kept his cool. One day a kid stepped on my jumps and me and five of my friends freaked out at him lol
  • 1 0
 Pair of jobsworth clowns.
  • 3 1
 Burn 'em.
  • 1 0
 They must have forgot to put on their invisibility cloaks
  • 1 0
 Just keep the silly political comments coming I while I get more popcorn
  • 1 0
 Fair play for being so chilled Nathan! Hats off to you
  • 2 1
 Guys, he was riding a damn ebike.. I'm on the ladies side!!
  • 1 0
 f*cking Karen’s everywhere.
  • 1 0
 When Karens Attack: MTB Edition
  • 1 0
 Lady, why is your dog not on the leash?
  • 1 0
 Sad
  • 1 0
 Dammit, link didn't work
  • 1 0
 Popycock
  • 1 0
 cunt
  • 9 12
 PB officially runs out of shit to post.
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flag DoubleCrownAddict (May 20, 2020 at 3:18) (Below Threshold)
 Unpopular opinion: This pretty much was a non-event and nobody is gonna get hurt from small sticks on a flat slow trail with no features.
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 @DoubleCrownAddict: How bad does it have to be to become an event for you? Wire at neck height? Spike pits? Bear traps?
  • 2 0
 @JonnyTheWeasel: yeah, that would qualify. I've seen more sticks on a trail from natural fall than he encountered here.
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