Video: Exploring Inventive Women's Outdoor Clothing from 1890 to 1940 in 'Women on the Move'

 why is this triggering for you?

 @ryanandrewrogers: Well, Ryan, as an attack helicopter I have many onboard systems constantly monitoring comments. It's called radar. And thank you for being understanding and acknowledging that fact I do indeed have a trigger.....its not obvious to all but its in my cockpit

 @darkstar66: by identify as an attack helicopter and having never served, you are by definition a walt.

 @RelapsedMandalorian: Nah uh uh silly! It's my right to define my own state of being, don't you know this? Now stop being a silly ignorant (insert preferred Pro noun) or you'll end up on another ED&I course......

 Shhh now. It's not a competition. Respecting women doesn't have to involve disrespecting men. Respecting men doesn't have to involve disrespecting women. Leave that crap to the fools who think we are two opposing teams, rather than two halves of the same team.

 Thanks for answering on behalf of all men worldwide.......oh actually get back on your horse and fuck off.....

 @gabriel-mission9: I mean your right but, give me a feminist over an man incel any day

 @browner: I'm not sure why you tagged that as a reply to me. What you say doesn't seem to be a response to what I said, unless I have missed the point you are making? Sadly you do seem to be pushing the stance that feminism is somehow more about disparaging men than it is about promoting women, which is ironic when you think about it...

 @browner: Both shit but there’s often more facts than feeling in the latter.

 @jclnv: Whats shit about feminism? Other than the slightly abrasive choice of name, I think its conceptually fantastic (the concept being equal rights for women). It would be difficult to make any sort of argument based on logic that equal rights for women (or any human for that matter) is a shit idea. True a lot of angry people misuse it as simply a position from which to push their weird man-hating opinions, but this is not the fault of (nor the idea behind) feminism. It's sad that so many people think it is, which is really the whole point i have been making.
People who use the term incel are really no different to people who call sexually liberated women sluts. Theyre just angry and misguided, they aren't feminists. Populist culture wars are shit, and as much as I tend to disagree with darkstars general stance on attack helicopters, I think the meme he posted somewhere above here is actually pretty accurate. Supporting one part of society doesn't mean bringing down another part of society. Thats just stupid schoolyard shit for children who can't think logically. We're all on the same f*cking team. Or at least we should be. Constant infighting does no one any good other than the few billionaires and politicians creaming all the profits of humanity off the top, while the rest of us fight amongst ourselves about something we would do much better to work together on. Together we are strong.

 @gabriel-mission9: Damn straight well said and a balanced view.

 @gabriel-mission9: watch the Red Pill. If you think we are strong together then I challenge you to listen to the views of men. Unlikely you will. Tough for any feminist to accept that men have issues unaddressed. It’s not as one sided as you think.

 @gabriel-mission9: Erm I think the point is that feminism is a completely normal ideology/ political movement and its great. Whereas incels need to be blasted into the f*cking sea. So you keep writing we're all on the same team. We're not. Religious fanatics, incels, and others dangerous misogynistic men need to be annihilated before they walk into our schools and annihilate us or our children.

 @Intense4life: Dude, you are a bit confused about where I am coming from here. I am as strongly in favour of mens rights as I am womens rights. I am a man, and I get really f*cking angry about all the misandrist bullshit I hear from people who think they are feminists but are actually just man-haters. I take it personally. Especially when it gets thrown around in daily life, media and conversation, in a way that suggests it is totally socially acceptable to say fairly horrific things about men which would instantly be called up as incredibly sexist if you said them about women.

I also get really f*cking angry about all the mysoginist bullshit I hear from people who think they are pro-mens-rights, when actually they just hate women. Not only do they come across as mysoginist idiots, they also make it much harder for the real mens rights issues to be heard (such as many of the issues discussed in the red pill, which I have already watched long ago). Womens rights are still in a pretty bad place globally, despite huge advances made in the west in the past few hundred years, and this definitely needs a lot of hard work before this is fixed. But hating men doesn't help in the slightest. Mens rights are definitely being encroached upon more and more each day that passes, and this also needs a lot of hard work before it is fixed. But hating women (or feminists) isn't going to help in the slightest. The only people who's rights currently aren't being eroded are those rich enough to sidestep all the culture wars and quietly get on with treating the population at large like cattle.

I'm not sure where you got the opinion I think anything about gendered rights is one sided? I think I've been pretty damn clear that I'm pushing for balance. It's the extremists on both sides who just want to start a fight with someone they see as "the enemy" rather than work together to make actual progress that hold both sides back. It's not a competition to see who can score the most social media points slating "the patriarchy" or saying "feminists should get back in the kitchen", it's an issue all people should work together on solving.

And then when we are done with the infighting, team up to take a long hard look at the current state of so called "democracy"... Although thats a bit of a tangent thats probably best discussed elsewhere.

 @browner: f*ck off

 @browner: you need to see a doctor

 @gabriel-mission9: I’m not confused. I agree with most of what you said. A bit less aggressively but same same.

 @Intense4life: Glad to hear it. The bit where I supposed you were confused is that I got the impression you thought I was coming at this from the same angle as browner...

If we largely agree, then we're all good. Happy trails dude.

 @gabriel-mission9: word

 @gabriel-mission9: Hey have a watch of this when you have time. It’s pretty illuminating and interesting.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=N1ZztpS_U1o

 @gabriel-mission9: BTW I agree with the vast majority of what you've said. I strongly believe in equal rights for men and women which is why I am anti the trans movement as it is fundamentally anti women (and children). I'm also anti most religions, especially Islam, as they are predominantly anti women. I personally think our sick elected 'leaders' are all to aware of that which is why they are so keen to push them on the public via trans propaganda and mass immigration of people already mired in religious doctrines. They know it smashes social cohesion and divides the voter base.

If you watch the above video I believe you'll learn how governments and corporations used the feminism movement to manipulate the public to a potentially lower quality of life for women and men.

 @jclnv: Cheers for the link. I'll watch it later. The title is interestingly worded... (not necessarily in a good way) as I think by and large western women have it far better now than they did a couple of hundred years ago. Progress has been good to them as far as I currently understand. They are certainly less likely to be put to death for witchcraft, or stoned for adultery. And trousers are now deemed acceptable attire, which is obviously the biggest win! But I imagine the title is designed to pique interest, and it has certainly managed that. I will watch the video with interest. I can see an argument for some ways that progress has detracted from the quality of life of us all (including of course women), for example now it is essentially impossible to afford a home without both partners of a marriage working well paid jobs, while 50 years ago only one of them would have to work a relatively low paid job to achieve the same. I suspect this may be the angle the video takes.

Re the trans thing, I am certainly in no way anti trans (my great uncle was trans, back in the 30's when it wasn't as fashionable as it is now, and he suffered greatly for it, and I'm proud of him). But I do think that much like feminism, certain unscrupulous types have attempted to co-opt the trans debate in order to drive division, while others jump on the bandwagon cos its kinda trendy, without realising they are doing more harm than good. (Of course as I am a middle aged, straight, white man many of the same people will say I'm not allowed to have that opinion, but I'll think what I like...) Same for religion, I think that true religious types are often incredibly kind and wise (and of course, much like all of society, some of them are arseholes), but others jump on the band wagon for personal gain or to be in with the cool group. Pretty much any social movement can be co-opted in this way, and currently we are beset on all sides by people trying to control the way we think and speak by herding us into this group or that and then setting us against each other. In my opinion, once we are aware of that we can rise above it. It's not worth hating someone just cos they fall into some group or another. Just work against the bastards that try to use some group or another for personal gain, or to set us all fighting to divide the voter base as you say.

Anyway, I've written enough essays now. I'm out. Peace \m/

 why are you butthurt about women having to invent their own athletic wear in the 1900s? who hurt you?

 @ryanandrewrogers: on my team we don’t use that expression. I’ll leave that with you and Drew … Ryan.