The fifth round of the Enduro World Series threw everything it could at the riders; huge stages, weather-induced course changes and some of the rowdiest trails of the season. It was the third time the series had visited La Thuile in the Italian Alps, and this was definitely its most dramatic outing yet - in a race that proved to be a true test of both bike and body.
@ibis09: This happens over and over, when richie rides badly, crashes or flats on yeti/maxxis its bad luck, conditions, him being out of sorts. But when it happens to graves its ALWAYS tied back to specialized. Such a double standard.
@dualsuspensiondave: But stage after stage for the past 2 years I mean come on? Put some air in the DH tires buy enve 90 wheels with the integrated rubber and scratch the stickers and put your sponsor on add cushcore to that and some more air plus tube plus 10 ounces of Stan's anything but just finish a d... race!
How come Hill NEVER has a mechanical and Graves ALWAYS Has ?
@sarah-maude: I totally agree. To be fair, Graves has probably 30-40lbs. on Hill. That makes a big difference with tires especially. Then again, Hill is so damn smooth.
@dualsuspensiondave: hill is not smooth lol he's the opposite. He smashes it trying to hit the shortest tightest lines. More psi, not massive volume tires and suspension tuned around the tire setup. Also, no inserts lol. I guess he makes it look smooth? I'd say gravey is smoother, whith all his 4x success and ya know, gravey being smooth hahaha
@sarah-maude: I totally agree. I do wonder if it has more to do with their fundamental approach to racing Enduro. Both Graves and Rude are big riders whose training seems to have a lot of emphasis on gym work for strength and power. This is compared with Hill who if anything has slimmed down since his DH days, and (it would seem) focuses his attention on endurance fitness rather than all-out power.
Besides the fact that he is an astonishing rider, I imagine Hill's approach of prioritising consistency rather than out of the gate speed means that he's also a lot less hard on his gear.
And if you wanted to get really deep, Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi's concept of Flow serves as pretty great explanation for why top riders such as Hill, Ravenel and others (Pierron, Atherton, Gwin, Bryceland...) have the ability to consistently outperform their rivals when they are at the top of their game.
@DDB1: well he did get fat in 2010 lol other than that he's always been slim. Graves has been about finesse too. He's competed in a few national xc races.
OK, it wouldn't be fair to blame just the bike, but, while top men/women are on real on-purpose bikes, these tow men are riding Stumpys (and Rude is on a 5.5). Compare these to those MEGA275, META29, Slash,... EWS is becoming more and more hard on bikes, and it just makes no sense racing in XCish bikes anymore, IMHO.
@dualsuspensiondave: More like 10 lbs. Hardly enough to account for even a tiny fraction of his mechanical bad luck over the last few seasons. Sam had a few years in the wilderness too, I wouldn't count Graves out yet.
Graves insists that the Stumpy 29er is a better fit for him and the suspension curve is better than the Enduro. The funny thing is that Keene, riding an Enduro trounced Graves at La Thulie in 2016 coming 6th overall and Joe Nation came 18th as a privateer on an Enduro this year. I'd like to see Graves on a 650B Enduro. Especially on some of these crazy steep rough courses.
@makripper: If you look into it further, rather than just a quick google search, you will see that Graves is closer to 180lbs. where Hill is about 158lbs. That's just listed weight as well. Look at both of them next to each other and seriously tell me that they are only 10lbs. off each other. No way! Graves lost about 30lbs. in recent years as well.
@makripper: By that logic, you better go tell their mechanics that 10-20lbs. of body weight doesn't make any difference with suspension setup, tires, tire pressure, etc. It makes a huge difference! Hell I loose 10-20lbs. a year in riding season and it makes a big difference with just about everything concerning the bike.
@headshot: exactly Top dogs are on 160-170 mm bike and are lighter then Graves who is quite on the muscle side Its nonsense for him to ride a stumpy with around 22 psi
Put 35 psi and finish 17th instead of not finishing lol
@dualsuspensiondave: now you are fishing pretty hard. You said they were drastically different in weight and Graves rides harder lol you are getting down the semantics. Graves is arguably smoother and less reckless than hill. Hill compromises gear to suit his riding. You will never hear him complain about gear. I only remember 2 times. Once in 2013 when he went from a large to a small demo 8, and another time in 2015 or 2016 when he had a mod done on his pulse to make it a little shorter? I can't remember. If he loses he blames himself and his riding.
I'm impressed with Oton, crashed on multiple stages, said his hand was not feeling good, we all know that's rider talk for I'm masking an injured hand. Then comes in 5th, pretty clutch riding.
Awesome as always, I thoroughly enjoyed it! Make them twice as long just by adding Helmcam footage from the Pro Riders, like the ones from Megavalanche. Having the true Riders perspective would make it even more engaging.
This stuff happened at lot less before jank tire inserts became a thing. How about no inserts and proper psi and DH casing. Looks at CRC. They never have tire issues and don't use inserts
MM in DH casing 36psi and I'm 90kg, EX471 rim and I punctured the tire (2 holes, vertical of one rim bed) without even noticing when it happened... On sharp rock I guess. I had heard that the EX471 rim is quite sharp, this seems to prove it (not even a dent on the rim though!).
And I am obviously not hauling ass as Richie!
So I guess he just had bad luck, and once punctured, then the tire came off.
Richie Rude should seriously consider going back to 27.5. Sam Hill, and Gwin for the matter, have proven that wheel size doesnt mean everything if you have the right skills, and Richie's best days came on 27.5. Its worth a try!
It's so great hearing Sam Hills name being called out on the podium. Just like when he raced DH.
I wonder how Gee Atherton would do if he moved to Enduro.
Gee did a few races a few years back, and Dan was big into it when it first became a 'thing'. they never really made a huge mark on it (not that they werent good, just that they didnt win every stage by 3 minutes, as pinkbike comments would have you beleive any real DH rider would do.). I guess as Trek factory atherton racing was fully commited to DHWC with Rachel, maybe they couldnt afford or logistically work committing to EWS as well.
I just wondered about Gee as he is obviously a machine and looks after himself. He perhaps now lacks the downright speed on a WC DH track now (although recent quali results have been better) I thought his fitness and bike handling skills would be interesting as the RED tracks look like they have progressed a little more .
I love these highlights. I just wish there was another place to watch even more of the riding action.
It's interesting watching Hill. I've watched him since he was a junior on the Ironhorse team. It's crazy to see his riding style compared to others. Other people are pinned in certain sections, trying to make up time all over the place, maybe trying to make up for mistakes earlier in the course. Sam just looks like he's doing barely more than his cruising speed, but he's always consistent. He doesn't ever look sketchy or like he's riding on the verge of his limits. I remember someone saying that back in the day when he was winning DH WC. They said he didn't look the fastest, but his times showed that he was. I'm pretty stoked for him.
And is it just me, or do those bars look way too wide for Isabeau?
Great coverage, pinkbike! Richie needs an absolute bombproof bike to not have a mechanical. Sucks to see that those keep plaguing him. I just want to see the guy do well again. Much respect to hometown boy Melamed still killing it though! Woot!
Mechanicals, especially punctures etc, is almost always a matter of setup and line choice. If you choose light casing tyres, low pressure or run straight into rough stuff, you will puncture sooner or later. And even if you're running DH casing or DD, if pressure doesn't match line choice same things happen, you blow through, dent a rim or blow the tyre of the bead.
I really like Sam Hill, but i would love to see Maes get a win, he wants it so badly but he has to beat Sam Hil to get it...He absolutely crushed it on day2, incredible riding
not being critical really, I'm actually just curious, how does Courdurier still go so fast when she's sitting down all the time? in like every corner she's sitting on her saddle. seems to work for her fine though obviously
@cjfromme: I think so too. I'm 5'3" and pictures of me on the bike look like a normal sized person sitting on the rear tire and trying to hide behind the handlebars...
@headshot: It was a minor injury in the men's field, but in an awkward part of the track, so the rescue took a while - we didn't suppress the news it was mentioned in the highlights film.
It's for the team championship they say. To even that out. Otherwise, you could with that with a team stacked of women. That's their thought process anyway.
Ok thanks for the answers, I get the reasoning. On the other side, couldn't it be an incentive for teams to sign women to even out the points? Then maybe the issue is not demand for women in racing, but the supply... It'd be interesting to have an official's take on the matter.
But how will the people at work be able to watch this video. Can’t you just post photos and words so they can scroll through quietly while they should be working.
Put some air in the DH tires buy enve 90 wheels with the integrated rubber and scratch the stickers and put your sponsor on
add cushcore to that and some more air plus tube plus 10 ounces of Stan's anything but just finish a d... race!
How come Hill NEVER has a mechanical and Graves ALWAYS Has ?
Besides the fact that he is an astonishing rider, I imagine Hill's approach of prioritising consistency rather than out of the gate speed means that he's also a lot less hard on his gear.
And if you wanted to get really deep, Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi's concept of Flow serves as pretty great explanation for why top riders such as Hill, Ravenel and others (Pierron, Atherton, Gwin, Bryceland...) have the ability to consistently outperform their rivals when they are at the top of their game.
Top dogs are on 160-170 mm bike and are lighter then Graves who is quite on the muscle side
Its nonsense for him to ride a stumpy with around 22 psi
Put 35 psi and finish 17th instead of not finishing lol
I’m screwed then.
I had heard that the EX471 rim is quite sharp, this seems to prove it (not even a dent on the rim though!).
And I am obviously not hauling ass as Richie!
So I guess he just had bad luck, and once punctured, then the tire came off.
I just wondered about Gee as he is obviously a machine and looks after himself. He perhaps now lacks the downright speed on a WC DH track now (although recent quali results have been better) I thought his fitness and bike handling skills would be interesting as the RED tracks look like they have progressed a little more .
It's interesting watching Hill. I've watched him since he was a junior on the Ironhorse team. It's crazy to see his riding style compared to others. Other people are pinned in certain sections, trying to make up time all over the place, maybe trying to make up for mistakes earlier in the course. Sam just looks like he's doing barely more than his cruising speed, but he's always consistent. He doesn't ever look sketchy or like he's riding on the verge of his limits. I remember someone saying that back in the day when he was winning DH WC. They said he didn't look the fastest, but his times showed that he was. I'm pretty stoked for him.
And is it just me, or do those bars look way too wide for Isabeau?
On the other side, couldn't it be an incentive for teams to sign women to even out the points?
Then maybe the issue is not demand for women in racing, but the supply... It'd be interesting to have an official's take on the matter.
Welcome to XC racing. Now repeat for 1 hour.
Hard is above threshold for 1.5hrs. Another planet in fact.