Is This Wheelie Cheat Device the Best or Worst Idea Ever?

Oct 5, 2018
by Sarah Moore  

Tom Stanton is currently studying for a degree as an Aerospace engineer and enjoys designing and building various projects, like this Wheelie Cheat Device that automatically applies your brake when you're about to loop out doing a wheelie...

What do you think, is it a good or bad idea?


170 Comments

  • + 234
 IN SOVIET RUSSIA BIKE WHEELIES YOU!!!
  • + 138
 so this can help you do an automatic manual?
  • + 0
 @rocky-mtn-gman: Under-rated comment. All the up-votes for you!
  • - 3
 I am in awe. I thought this could be the most trashed product on Pinkbike ever but ARBR is still leading the way by a fair margin. People are getting nicer
  • + 1
 @WAKIdesigns: No we are not Waki, you take that back! But we do all dream of endless easy wheelies.
  • + 2
 @Fix-the-Spade: Just take practice
  • + 4
 @WAKIdesigns: Second greatest product since the "ENDURO SASH".
  • + 2
 What's with all the trashy, click bait style article titles lately. "

Is this the best?.." "7 of the weirdest...."
  • + 0
 @WAKIdesigns: how about a nice big complimentary cup of shut the F#ck up!
  • + 1
 you ain't tryna ride!
  • + 170
 I made a PB&J today.

Not quite as technical as what this fellow did, but there are ratios to consider.
  • + 12
 smooth or crunchy?????
  • + 28
 @nojzilla:

Excellent question, and we appreciate your interest in this endeavor.

Upon acquiring a sizable repository containing chunky buttered peanuts, it seemed logical at the time to include this as part of my formula in this project, as the "crunch" would factor in to a more covetable outcome.

My hypothesis was correct.
  • + 6
 @johnnygolucky: crunchy FTW!!
  • + 2
 @johnnygolucky: never new a PB&J could be so complicated......gosh I’ve got a lot to learn.
  • + 3
 We are missing the other half of this equation, jam or jelly?
  • + 3
 PB&J...KD...ramen noodle soups....All worthy of perfecting the process as it suits a fella. A wide range of results can be had. Such a wide range. A very simple example...I like my PBJ fresh. Any older than 10min and it starts soaking into the bread...soggy. Wrap bread up fresh...small container of PB, small container of jam/jelly/honey(or even combine those in one container)..small knife(everyone carries a knife right?)...go to work. Lunch time = fresh PB&J Smile
  • + 1
 @Boardlife69:

Jam!

And when you say it, mean it.
  • + 2
 Have you ascertained which combination of products is most bro-duro yet? I'm thinking ratio of PB:J, bread grains, baked soft or crusty, buttered... Obviously, to be pure XC it needs to have a sachet of carb slime squeezed over the top...
  • + 1
 @bluechair84: PB&J Taquito. Roll it up in a flour tortilla. Never gets soggy, & you can eat it on they way back to the top of the next enduro run
  • + 86
 Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. -JP
  • + 8
 Thanks Malcom
  • + 28
 Life uhhhhh finds a way
  • + 4
 “...Now I become Death, destroyer of Worlds...”
  • + 2
 "I was one of those who felt that were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act..." DE
  • + 3
 That’s one big pile of shit!
  • + 1
 "You did it. You crazy son of a bitch, you did it."
  • + 2
 "Hold on to your butts."
  • + 40
 To the haters hating on this wait till e-bikes come with built-in gyros, stabilization, ABS and traction control. Four hour track stands!
  • + 4
 Dr. Chandra... Will they... dream?
  • + 1
 Bosch will probably bring their motorbike ABS technology to ebikes pretty soon. Solely to stop novices going over the bars.
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 @WAKIdesigns: I'm sorry Wacek, I'm afraid I can't clear that.
  • + 22
 @WAKIdesigns: Do e-bikes dream of electric wheelies?
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 @dannyboybiker: It won't save them.
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 " Let's get another Michael out of the warehouse. This time make sure the engineering department wipes that smile off his face." - LC
  • + 1
 4 HOUR track stands at a red green light
  • + 3
 And once they add in AI-driven, power rebound suspension – AutoTrialsin, baby!!

Danny Macwhoooo???
  • + 2
 @dannyboybiker: they already did.
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 @Riggbeck: Thanks, didn't know. Bosch and Bernard Kerr won't be partnering up anytime soon, youtu.be/xn67KoF0Bhk?t=68
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 @dannyboybiker: Stoppies are way too fun too wanting ABS?
  • + 1
 Boys I hate to ruin your party but that tech already exists. Google launched a concept 2 years ago of a bike with built in gyros for stabilization and navigation as a means of public transit. You can already find this stuff on high end commuter ebikes.
  • + 1
 Honda's already on top of it...

youtu.be/mWsBRgq7pk8
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 @bryanjoh: holy fkng crap, I am shitting my pants... that's one of the things from Elon Musks nightmare.
  • + 1
 @HurricaneCycles: The Google self stabilising bike was an April fool's joke from their Dutch office.
  • + 23
 I wonder if this would actually help doing manuals or wheelies? I'd think once you got used to the feeling of riding over the rear wheel, you'd start to be able to determine when the brake needs applied on your own. Eventually being able to ditch the device altogether.
  • + 15
 Like adult training wheels!!
Can I pee my pants while I learn?
  • + 6
 Id kinda like it. I suck at rear wheel riding. Maybe it could be due to the length of my bike. But it would help me get comfortable. To compensate though, I got really good at doing stoppies and riding those for a long time. So its not too bad.
  • + 4
 I don't know - I like the idea of having a failsafe for learning, but don't like the idea of not learning that brake control myself. I also worry that if you were to ride up a steep incline or jump face, that the rear brake would lock and chuck you otb...
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 @kubaner: laughing
  • + 19
 I did something sorta like this back in 2003, when I was at engineering school. We used the predecessors of the same stuff to read what a bike was doing in order to mess with the compression damping of the rear shock. Going uphill and smooth gets lots of compression(near lockout), going downhill and rough (small hits) backs the compression way off.

Way easier to do it nowadays with things coming on evaluation boards with outputs to servo. We had to reverse engineer a servo from a remote control car to see what the input was in order to scab one together. This was also pre-iphone era, and to get the accelerometers we had to prove that we weren't trying to make a missile control device.

Won a bunch of awards for it. Have a laugh at me from 15 years ago! a href="http://www.ece.uvic.ca/~elec499/2003b/group11/">
  • + 3
 OG Fox Live
  • + 1
 Did you have an earlier mechanical version based on pedaling force? I remember meeting someone in Whistler working on a project like that.
  • + 17
 Keep your arms straight, start on an uphill and look 300' in front of you and not at your front wheel, stay calm. There's your beginner wheelie instructions.
  • + 4
 +100 on looking ahead.
Made the mistake looking in the bike...looking forward makes it way more easy.
Look where you want to go
  • + 15
 Good on ya! Cool project. These haters are going to call you boss some day, and be mad when you have a 10K bike and the time to ride it. Nerds Rule!
  • + 3
 Damn right! Someone hire this guy! Fantastic to see his ingenuity and skills. Regardless of why he still BUILT pretty amazing! Hell yeah man!
  • + 11
 God for all the people trying to over analyze this...tom makes sick shit all the time, he's not trying to market it, or sell you on something, so get over yourselves. He shares his design process and many times shares .stl files and schematics and such. It helps people learn and provides entertainment/inspiration (watch his other shit like his RC chinook build from scratch). Go bitch about ebikes...
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 Yeah, it does seems like he did this just for the fun of doing it. I see great things in this man’s future!
  • + 8
 Engineers who do practical things like this are always much better in the real world than engineering students who study and don't do cool projects. This kid gonna go places.
  • + 10
 Good idea **applies ice pack to coccyx
  • + 5
 "This frickin' thing doesn't work!"
"I coulda told you that."
- N. Dynamite
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 I think its amazing, once it's fine tuned a bit more! It will be a good learning tool, cos wheelies aren't just balance point, you need to steer etc as well, if this takes a bit of work load of the rider whilst they learn the other aspects, then natural wheelies will come sooner.
Geek fact of the day.
MotoGP bikes have "wheelie cheat devices" that are set at only a few degrees to help keep the front down in acceleration (by cutting power not applying brake), Rossi has a button on his bars to turn his off so he can pull big mingers for the crowds. You often see other riders wrenching at the bars to try and pop up on the back wheel, but the elctronics prevent it.
  • + 3
 I suggest buying Ryan leech video on how to manual. If your leading to wheely or manual you need to find that sweet spot through practice. This magic pill will reach to that castle in the sky just like magic beans do. Practice people . All you need.
  • + 7
 pulls up off drop and rear brake locks. uh oh
  • + 3
 Cool engineering experiment. Terrible idea for anyone wanting to learn how to do a wheelie. Until you can feel the 'float' of the balance point and know what is 'not quite enough' vs 'just too far' you wont ever be able to hold a wheelie. This device would completely take all that feel away from the process.
  • + 19
 Or it would train you to feel exactly where the balance point is since you can feel when the brakes are being applied or not. Trying to keep the bike balanced without it interfering would be the goal, once you've achieved that, you know how to wheelie.
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flag maxwellington (Oct 5, 2018 at 15:00) (Below Threshold)
 @islandforlife: Or....you could learn the traditional way and not with some goofy ass assistance device.

Cycling already looks dorky to non-cyclsits, we don't need things like this making that effect worse.

Plus...I came up when bikes had no electronics and skill was the deciding factor. We took our lumps and learned. Stuff like this is just lame.
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 @maxwellington: I picked up MTB at 42 after sitting on my ass for 25 years. I picked up DH at 44. You know what lumps look like now? I looped out doing a wheelie earlier this summer. Landed flat on my back on asphalt. When I was seventeen and skating I wouldn't have even noticed it. Now? I'm bruised where my belt dug in and every single muscle in my neck and back is strained and hurts for more than a week. F that shit. I'm sleep deprived enough and got stuff to do. While I can feel the balance point a bit, I'm not super confident and if this would help, what the hell, I've got the money and my old bones will thank me.
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 @islandforlife: Sorry pal, it's a wee bit more subtle than that. It won't teach you how to finesse your brake, it won't help you to catch the balance points out with its parameters. This thing as stupid as those wooden manual things people build
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 @maxwellington: This is the silliest thing I've ever heard! Who gives a crap about what cycling looks like to non-cyclists, they're the ones missing out on all the fun!

For what it's worth, I have no electronics on my bicycles, but love to see people trying new stuff, playing around, and learning, both with their bike and with technology! This is what fosters creativity and ingenuity.
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 Well said@pcmxa:
  • + 2
 A lot like the Specialized Wu.
Okay, but why?
When learning to wheelie, 99.5% of your brain power is going toward finding the balance point and keeping it there.
MAYBE .5% is devoted to remembering to cover the rear brake with your finger
  • + 6
 Without practicing, sounds perfect for the ebike crowd.
  • + 4
 Rumor has it that SRAM is going to buy this and add it to the quark product line. #industryrumors.
  • + 4
 So basically if you go up a very steep hill the back brake activates forcing you to only ride in Holland?
  • + 5
 What about a set of wheelie bars you could just bolt on a bike?
  • + 1
 Already built into the bar & brake system! Sounds like a cool idea. Identify a capability gap, design a concept, big company refines and markets. Just a tool for the tool box for those not so gifted to hang in the balance point. IMO this is a pretty cool concept, just wondering how it'll differentiate between steep inclines and moderate wheelies...?
  • + 6
 Wheelie wheelie lame.
  • + 2
 This is so much better than a bike that pedals for you uphill. Also its like training wheels when you learn wheelies take the damn thing off give it to a buddy. Its not a permanent evil like an ebike.
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 A wheelie requires more than the use of your back brake. Although this could help, if tuned right, the set-up and install would be aggravating. It simply seemed to change how you apply the brake to something that requires more movement, genes more balance and work than just using your finger and learning. Good one though, keep tryin...you'll get there little buddy.
  • + 1
 Will someone from the marketing department please help him condense this to 60s or less? That is as much of it as I could watch.

Cool project, I suppose, but MV Augusta (and others) have already put "wheelie mode" on their bikes.
  • + 1
 I think it is an interesting idea but the variables that go into a wheelie are many as he described towards the end so a simple system can't handle it. I have been trying to wheelie for a while now and have only gotten up to about 40-60 feet. I wish there was something that could get you to and hold the balance point to build confidence but I would feel like a cheater if I went to that first.
  • + 2
 Whether or not it's useful, your skills and ingenuity are really impressive. I'd hire you after watching this. Something I didn't realize: in the UK the rear brake is on the left? Mind blown.
  • + 1
 What makes a great rider is practice, even if you give up before succeeding the time you spent practicing have an impact on your skills and your life. IMHO being able to do looooong wheelies is cool and impressive if you've mastered it, but the path to get there is what I respect the most. What are my skills if I just pay for them ? If you can't do it without the divice what's the point ? Showing off? You did not achieved anything.
  • + 1
 considering it works and you bought a plastic bin of parts off amazon. This is amazing to me. Keep it up... I need a automatic dropper and you're the guy to come up with a DIY for a bargin.
  • + 4
 I kept picturing Mike Sinyard saying to R&D, “Get on this.”
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 lmfao
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 You should see how good this kid is check him out in you tube what an engineer
  • + 1
 Funny thing is your body has a natural gyroscope in it which is why you are able to walk - it takes a child 2 years to learn to walk Practice manuals and wheelies every day - you'll get it in three months easy
  • + 1
 Very cool use of modern electronics, hydraulic brakes, and brain power. The down-sizing of the electronics was pretty amazing in itself. Maybe try some XT brakes next time. Nice job Tom
  • + 3
 Inovation is never a bad thing.... says the engineer inside me. Respect to that guy!
  • + 3
 My god, I bet he's fun at parties...
  • + 3
 Looping out is essential to learn to wheelie
  • + 1
 Needs a bigger servo, propper PID code and it could work quite nice. And a lot of tuning, dude gave up early... Source:Build various self-balancing stuff on Arduino. ????
  • + 0
 Oh my god, this will definitely be a selling feature on new ebikes! Now you can pretend to cycle AND pretend to be a wheelie master. The marketing dept will probably word it diffferently than that though.
  • + 1
 The Audi bike has a wheelie mode
  • + 1
 Save yourself 19:28 worth of confusion by answering ‘no’ at 00:11 and quickly pressing the stop button. You’re welcome
  • + 1
 He never talked about wheelie technique just electronic circuits and such.
  • + 1
 The real reason for doing this wasn't to wheelie. It was to get the bitches.
  • + 0
 it's officially that time of the year when UCI DH & EWS are over and so questionable filler content emerges. what's next, a video with the bike that has shoes for wheels?
  • + 2
 This is useless without automated ebike throttle.
  • + 3
 neeeeeerrrrrrdddd!
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 I think I'd rather have a girlfriend over the servo.
  • + 7
 @sebmx: Yes, but she'll put the brakes on you much quicker than the servo would!
  • + 3
 What about backflips?
  • + 1
 Wheelie-Gate 2018 Tom should apply to Volkswagen... I'm sure they could find a use for him.
  • - 2
 No substitute for skill, and it's potentially robbing people of being able to apply everything else that goes in to perfecting wheelies. And, it's not that hard to figure out... I figured it out in like 2nd grade, with a coaster brake. It's worth learning.
  • + 1
 Great! Once you learn you won't need it and can pass it on. Everyone benefits and you can finally do wheelies Smile
  • + 1
 Good idea crappy device - but hey what a wheelie capability for such a nerdy guy! Respect
  • + 1
 Hahahahah. Reminds me of the automatic barspin bike that Ryan and Shea Nyquist built a couple years ago.
  • + 1
 Hate to be negative but the human brain and body are more than whats required to get a bicycle to wheelie.
  • - 2
 Oh, really? Go explain that to a double leg amputee.
  • + 2
 I rode with a guy that got caught in a snowbank and frostbite took both his legs. He could ride/jump/manual/wheelie better than I can.
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 Right? It's not like unicycles haven't been a thing.
  • + 0
 Impressive but it’s to technical for me. Keep your bike simple. Cable shifting, cable dropper and I apply the brakes when I need them
  • + 0
 This isnt anymore of a cheat than using the rollover of a 29er to get over objects. You use what you have to make things easier. That's just life.
  • + 1
 This is neat but I think a manual machine is a better tool to learn where that balance point is.
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 My finger automatically applies the brake if I’m about to loop out.
  • + 0
 Looking forward to the time when E-bikes will have "WHEELIE BUTTON" on the handlebars!!!! Smile ))
  • + 2
 That's freaking awesome!
  • + 1
 It sounds like a wheelie cool concept.
  • + 1
 Wyn had it invented before you Wink perfect to go on my E-moped!
  • + 1
 or you can get better?!?!?!?!
  • + 1
 Some WD40 on the rotor should fix this
  • + 1
 Cool project, man. Nice work.
  • + 1
 The device is the best way to get a pussy robot. Future is today.
  • + 1
 will it work with my boost, dub, 24" e-bike?
  • + 0
 "might be better if I plot it on a graph......"

f*ck you... practice doing it for real.
  • + 1
 He said Amazin Smile Ama...zonnnnn.
  • + 0
 That shit should Come stock on E-bikes, with Di-2 drivetrain and wireless dropper post. More electronic=better...lol
  • + 2
 This is one clever dude
  • + 2
 take my money!
  • + 0
 So that'll be for those of us who never learned to wheelie..... I can stoppie like a madman... wheelie.. nope!
  • + 1
 there goes my 20 minutes.
  • + 1
 Yes Tom! Great to see your vid on Pink bike!!
  • + 1
 Nevertheless it's still a "cheat" device. Nothing beats raw practice!
  • + 1
 If you want a segway - just buy a segway.
  • - 1
 I've struggled with the wheelie my whole life and this could be my big breakthroug but I would like to see it in a phone app version.
  • + 1
 You have so much free time. I envy...
  • + 1
 Perfect mug of tea that
  • + 0
 20 minutes... get outta here
  • + 0
 Who the f*ck has 20mins spare to watch a vid these days??!
  • + 1
 Guy is quite brilliant.
  • + 0
 Interesting....but that concepts gonna kill someone. Lol
  • + 0
 you guys are dicks. straight up!
  • + 1
 who? pb users? lol
  • + 1
 A really cheap device?
  • + 1
 Is it 29+ compatible?
  • + 0
 yeahhh!! too much free time for sure! Go ride your bikes!
  • + 1
 Bravo!
  • - 3
 You know what? I don’t know how to manual and I still ride better than my buddies who can. And one of them actually broke his clavicle showing off his douche manual in the parking lot... So what’s the f***in point?
  • + 0
 Ha OMG good luck with that.
  • + 0
 You need have patenting)
  • + 0
 too long didn't watch.
  • - 1
 ...or just quit being a pussy and actually learn to wheelie
  • + 14
 ^^^this guy f*cks
  • + 2
 @underhawk: he's right though* haha
  • + 5
 Really missing the point here. Have you watched the video?? Clearly he can wheelie rather well...
  • + 0
 Wheelie? A cheat device?
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