Video: Kate Courtney Shows Off her Training Setup & Local Trails

Mar 8, 2021
by Ed Spratt  

bigquotesWith a cross-country World Championship and overall World Cup already in the bag, Kate Courtney is on the fast track to becoming one of the sport's greats. Check out where the behind the scenes magic happens in Kate's very own Californian backyard! Red Bull



169 Comments

  • 74 9
 I don't think she's putting that toxic red bull crap in her body.
  • 43 2
 I think some of those Red Bull & Monster cans must have water in them. In motocross, right after the riders get off the track they drink from them, I'm guessing they are faux drinks for presentation, cant believe they'd pound an energy drink as elite level athletes right after a hard effort
  • 43 15
 Is there honestly any research that shows Red Bull is bad for you? I would be interested to see it if there is. I drink a Red Bull or two a week. Usually before heading to snowboard.
  • 14 2
 @HB208: no idea, a big hit of caffeine and sugar might make sense before/during a high output session but can't see the benefit after. I recall reading that the human body synthesises all the taurine it needs, and can't make use of it in dietary form. Unlike cats apparently, which need it in their diet...
  • 21 3
 @HB208: I picked up a free carton / case once and went on to have a Red Bull for breakfast for a full month.
I'm here to tell the story, which should be all you need to know. Just brush your teeth afterward.
  • 21 2
 @sourmix: I usually have the sugar free version. It honestly just seems like caffeine water. I can see why energy drinks in general are bad if you are pounding a full sugar Monster or Red Bull every morning, but the same could probably be said by a sugary latte. People line up for a place called Dutch Bros in the PNW, which is basically a coffee shop that just pumps out super sugary lattes. Sugar free Red Bull is probably better than one of those.

Anyways, most mornings I just pull a shot from my espresso machine and call it good.
  • 29 2
 @mi-bike: Lol, I don't know why I am getting downvoted. It is an honest question. Every source I see when I google "is Red Bull bad for you" is basically clickbait.
  • 7 27
flag RadBartTaylor (Mar 8, 2021 at 9:04) (Below Threshold)
 @HB208: do an experiment, drink 10 a day and we'll check back in 20 yrs....
  • 8 15
flag audric (Mar 8, 2021 at 9:09) (Below Threshold)
 @HB208: and does it give you wings.
I think there's a crazy good marketing behind it and the placebo effect is tremendous.
then on the healthy side i don't know if i'd like to know/see how this magic potion is made!
Enjoy snowboarding with redbull in your veins, maybe it's still better than a vaccine, hahaha
  • 17 1
 @RadBartTaylor: There is so much shit out there that will be bad for you in excess. Drink 10 cups of coffee a day with a pack of sugar in each and you will have issues. I am not asking about drinking them in excess. I am asking if one or two a week has any negative health consequences.
  • 6 0
 @audric: Yeah, I don't think there is much of a benefit over just a cup of coffee. However, it is easy to grab when I am picking up food before heading up to the mountain.
  • 9 4
 @RadBartTaylor: The ones the MX racers drink on the podium say in small letters 'promo' and they are just water.
  • 8 5
 @HB208: Well there's 37g of sugar in a normal one which is a ton and not good for you. I don't know about all the other chemicals in there
  • 25 21
 @Mattcon20: 37g is not a ton
  • 11 3
 @RadBartTaylor: They do have water. A cousin of mine was the doctor for a Red Bull sponsored touring car team, he forbade the entire team from ever touching the stuff. All the cans that Red Bull sent for them to be seen drinking were filled with water.
  • 5 1
 @HB208: Dutch Bros basically prints money. Have you ever been past and NOT seen a five car line? It’s as popular as In N Out.
  • 7 4
 @gafoto: There is a stand near me where cars literally line up in the street... which is very annoying, illegal, and unsafe. I don't think there coffee is all that great. The Americano isn't bad if it is your only option, but there are much better coffee shops out there. They basically have a cult following though.
  • 1 1
 @mnorris122: Yeah - figured as much....
  • 3 0
 It messes with my sleep really bad. I drink like a pot of coffee every day and sleep like a rock. If I have a small energy drink I'll be wide awake in my bed until 2am tossing and turning.
  • 29 2
 Everyone's a nutritionist here on Pinkbike
  • 18 0
 @chriskneeland: Yeah, but my cousin's friend was told by a doctor that you should do XYZ.
  • 5 1
 i used to do sound on Warped Tour, and all those monster energy cans are just filled with water for the appearance.
  • 3 5
 The can never touched her lips. Sh'e no dummy, she's a Stanford Grad.
  • 24 14
 @Eric27: Lol, her parents are uber wealthy lawyers from the Bay Area. I'm sure that has nothing to do with her getting into Stanford... I am not saying that she isn't smart, but most of the elite colleges in the US are thinly vailed ways to keep power in the hands of the powerful's kids.
  • 20 2
 @HB208: Not sure why you are getting downvoted, but ivy leagues (and other prestigious schools) have "legacy" admission processes which greatly increases your chances of getting in based on having a family member who attended. This is a tangible example of exactly what you are talking about.
  • 31 8
 @topherdagopher: I am having a hard time figuring out if either of her parents went to Stanford. However, I was able to find the Zillow listing for their house and it is valued at $7M (which seems fair given this Red Bull video where they shoot at her parents house: www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlxXvT1sJ3I&ab_channel=RedBullBike). Shit, I mean, their property taxes are $68k a year...

Look, obviously not every kid of a rich person goes to Stanford or an elite school, but people are fooling themselves if they don't think that immense wealth helps significantly. From tutoring to top private k-12 education to SAT/ACT prep, people who come from this amount of wealth are miles ahead of genius, but poor kids. I mean, it is easier for an average level intellect kid from a legacy admissions family to get into an elite school than a genius kid that grows up in a lower middle class or poor household (I would even say middle class household).

The same goes to athletics at some level. She was given all of the bikes and coaching support that she needed from an early age.

Now, that is not to say that she isn't a brilliant and gifted athlete. Only to say that it is deceiving yourself if you think that huge amounts of wealth don't make pursuing your dreams easier. I mean, most people don't have a plan B if their dreams don't pan out. Someone who is from a rich family can easily go to graduate school on their parent's dime if their business or athletic career doesn't work out as planned.

I mean, Jared Kushner had terrible test scores but his parents essentially bought his way into Harvard and then NYU Law. Not saying Kate had this happen, only that wealth can and does play a direct impart on getting into top colleges.
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 @topherdagopher: For obvious reasons I am not going to link their address. I was able to find it via Google searches and public records.
  • 5 2
 @HB208 I believe the healthy amount of caffeine is 4-6mg per kg of mass. So for average Joe it is 400mg.
One small Red bull is 90mg(330ml). One Monster (500ml) is 120-180mg of caffeine. Standard coffee got 70-100mg I believe. So 4.5 cans of Red Bull are still healthy. Of course this is just numbers. The more "toxic" for your body is amount of sugar in these so better to choose "no sugar" energy drinks. If your diet is on point throwing some unhealthy things dont gonna kill you. Air polution cant be more fatal. I recommend typing PubMed in google and look for caffeine, energic drinks, diet research there. Becareful with conclusions, sometimes studies can be misunderstand.
  • 3 1
 @HB208: It's probably pretty much fine. Mostly sugar and water. I've been around elite athletes most of my adult life, and while some of them are extremely particular, most will drink sugary drinks for what they're good for: a hit of low-glycemic carbs around a workout. Teams in the Tour de France will routinely polish off little cans of coke during or right after a stage.
  • 5 1
 @HB208: You're not wrong! If you think this is bad, look up some F1 drivers.

Probably also helps that she grew up in an area with trail access and a high school mountain bike league.
  • 4 3
 @nattyd: Lol, you're right. At least her parents didn't literally buy a team so their son could be a driver. Although, the best drivers seem to come up through the ranks, or at least relatively come up through the ranks since almost all F1 drivers come from wealthy families.
  • 5 1
 @nattyd: I wouldn't put Tour de France riders in the 'healthy' category....they do what they do for performance and nothing more. They are thin and fit but that certainly doesn't mean they are not doing damage. I don't think a bit of sugar here or there hurts, at all, but living off coke and gu-gels while training and doing long rides certainly qualifies, in my book, as unhealthy but absolutely required given the energy expenditure.
  • 1 8
flag rjrx (Mar 8, 2021 at 14:31) (Below Threshold)
 Try cooking some eggs with red bull...wait for 3 to 4 min and they turn into stretchy silly putty, it's futtin ridiculous.
  • 5 1
 @rjrx: Cook your eggs with corn starch. Thickening your food means nothing.
  • 2 1
 @RadBartTaylor: Pretty interesting study on the topic. A lot of confounding variables, but TdF riders do way better than the population at large:

www.researchgate.net/publication/51170518_Increased_Average_Longevity_among_the_Tour_de_France_Cyclists
  • 12 1
 @rjrx: Have you also tried cooking eggs in coca-cola? Maple syrup? Orange juice? I'm not sure how this is informative.
  • 5 4
 @HB208: I've long joked that F1 drivers are probably the worst group of personalities on the planet, because it requires you to grow up with parents who are both extremely rich and extremely permissive. No wonder so many of them throw a fit every other race.
  • 2 5
 @nattyd: just another way of telling you that it's toxic shit...
  • 1 8
flag rjrx (Mar 8, 2021 at 15:23) (Below Threshold)
 @HB208: read between the lines, saying it's toxic...is that normal that it turns eggs into to silly putty, hell no it's not.
  • 10 1
 @rjrx: Dude, the consistency something turns your eggs when you cook with it is not an indication of its toxicity.
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flag rjrx (Mar 8, 2021 at 15:30) (Below Threshold)
 @HB208: go ahead and do the experiment, see for yourself know it all
  • 5 3
 @HB208: I don't think delving that far into their private lives is necessary at all. I was with you until that. My point was just that kids who are rich or connected, generally have an easier time getting into good colleges. I don't know if her parents went to Stanford, nor do I care, it was just an example of how things work for connected people.
  • 2 1
 @nattyd: Fascinating article - thanks for sharing. I'd wager the group being studied who raced from 1930 to 1964 probably ate reasonably healthy food, were not eating the artificial stuff and likely didn't push themselves as hard as the guys today do.....not to mention the drugs, but good data point nonetheless.

I know for me personally, a big racing year, with hard training, lots of sugar during races, back to back hard rides I don't feel good and feel like I am doing more damage than good....but maybe I just need to chill.
  • 3 0
 @RadBartTaylor: There are lots of other problems with that study too, for example:

Tour de France riders are outlier physical specimen in the first place, so it's not clear that riding the Tour is "healthy", so much as "not deadly" to the point that it overwhelms those other factors.

TdF riders probably skew much wealthier than the populations as a whole of those countries, and that means they're more likely to have access to good food, healthcare, housing, social help.

As far as drugs, they ain't new! I believe Eddy Merckx was caught three times for doping. The drugs were just different and much less effective: amphetamines, cocaine, etc. See also: Tom Simpson, who has the best dying words ever: "put me back on my bike"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Simpson
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 @nattyd: great points. I had some of the same thoughts but didn't wanna jump in with "but but but", all these studies have exceptions and nuances.

I read the 'Blue Zone' book which talked about healthiest / longest living societies, pretty much all of them were very active, but nothing extreme....primarily things like tending livestock, walking a lot and general mobility stuff in daily lives. Many drank (not in excess), ate desert (not in excess) ate carbs, gluten, were not vegan, etc. etc. I think introducing artificial exercise is awesome as long as it doesn't require abnormal food to get there, MTB with the buds for 5 hours at Z2 with a beer after is doing you nothing but favors.

Marco Pantani - I'd put him right up there with Tom....
  • 8 4
 @HB208: creep
  • 2 0
 @RadBartTaylor: Pantani had cocaine AND blood doping. Not recommended.
  • 2 4
 @HB208: 7 million for a house like that near Mt Tam actually seems low to me. It’s insane what properties go for in the right areas of Marin County (or all over the Bay Area where 1 million gets you a fixer upper starter home)
  • 5 0
 @Kevindhansen: Lot of places in the Bay, $1m wouldn't even get you a tiny dusty lot with no house on it.
  • 4 2
 @HB208: I'm sure they value their privacy and don't want a bunch of random strangers stalking. Wink I don't want my information broadcast to a ton of random strangers.
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 @HB208: I found a french studie that said:

- avoid to drink energy drink with alcool and before sport
- moderate you consumption of cafein
- being vigilant with child, teenager and pregnant woman

so I think its not so safe for our bodies...
  • 3 0
 @HB208: It's probably not the best for you but it's sugar and caffeine which will help with performance. The fastest bike rider I know, drinks red bulls for rides to help him get an extra edge. Plus it's tasty lol
  • 2 3
 @tacklingdummy: I didn't give their address or anything. The information I found is public. Someone could also find the same data on my place.
  • 8 0
 @HB208: This is absolutely right. Kids from wealthy families have way more resources to package themselves the right way for top colleges. They get all kinds rigorous prep school experience, test prep, and they have private college counselors who start working with them at grade 9 to begin to create the right bundle for top schools. They do the right sports, do the right extra curricular, and have the counselors advising their recommendations and "brand" through the process. Then when they do apply, they go in without the need for financial aid (mom and dad are glad to pay $75K per year if their smart little darling can go to XXX school!) . The top 38 schools in the US have over 25% of kids from top 1% income households, actually more students than they have from the bottom 60%. Raj Chetty is a great researcher who has written about this.

If you think a smart kid who has done everything right on their own in a typical public school environment and who needs financial aid at a place like Stanford has an equal chance at admission as one of these kids you are way wrong, the game is over before it starts. Schools like Stanford know that the biggest indicator for income creation ia a kids parents income, so in order to perpetuate their fundraising and institutional largesse they seek to fill their student ranks with kids who will become wealthy with the highest degree of certainty.
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 @Endosch2: Yes, and one issue with the system is that the kids who get into the elite schools from 1% families actually believe they did it through their own merits (most of the time), which perpetuates the myth in the elite class that the elite got their through hard work, merits, and dedication.
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 @HB208: I agree that those kinds of kids sometimes falsely think they did it from their own work. With that said the system of prep schools, arms-race high school athletics, and rigorous college counseling does create kids who are way more capable than most. I am talking about super organized high school kids who are conditioned to work hard for14 hour days Monday through Saturday, and to their credit are machine like in their work ethic compared to the typical HS kid who does nothing after school but eat chips, watch netflix, and plays e-sports.
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 @Endosch2: I agree with that. I have also met kids with the same work ethic from public schools that go to good, but not great, colleges because their parents couldn't afford tuition at the elite schools.

I don't know if it is healthy for kids to be essentially working 14 hour days from the time they are in elementary school though. By my wife and I are educated (I am a CPA, she is a teacher) and I would not raise my kid that way. I would rather my kid actually figures out the value in life than gets into Harvard, but that is just me.
  • 1 1
 @HB208: Yes, there can be some advantages with connections, but if they were not intelligent, worked hard, had skills, and experience they would not get ahead. Many industries now are realizing that work experience is far great than what college you graduated from because they realized that just because a person graduated from a well know college, they are not all skilled enough or have the knowledge to do the jobs. The people who are raised to work hard, learn, improve, and are good in their fields overwhelmingly will rise up the ladder.

There was one article I just read where a high school student ranked nearly the top 50% of his class (62nd out of 120 students). The kicker, he had a 0.13 GPA, failed all but three classes over four years, and missed 272 days of school. The school said he would have to repeat all 4 years of high school and the student and his mother were shocked he wasn't receiving a diploma. They said it was the school's fault.
  • 3 1
 @tacklingdummy: That's not even true. I mean, look at the college admissions scandal that happened a few years ago. Dumb or lazy kids from rich families have all sorts of ways to overcome those hinderances.
  • 2 0
 @HB208: Just because people get into great colleges does not mean they will succeed later in life. I know of several people that have all kinds of lofty degrees from notable colleges that are bad statistics and also know many, many more people that succeeded very well in life with no college, little college, or who were not great students. The ones that succeed have several things in common: They are all very hard working, intelligent, always trying to improve, and are all very good at what they do.
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 @tacklingdummy: Sure, that is probably true, but I have also met some very mediocre people who have been very successful on the backs of top 10 degrees. People tend to give you more of a benefit of a doubt when you went to Georgetown and Booth MBA than if you are a very smart person that went to XYZ state school.
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flag SunsPSD (Mar 9, 2021 at 12:48) (Below Threshold)
 @Endosch2: No doubt being wealthy comes with real advantages (i.e not worrying about food, healthcare, etc.), but at least one of them is these children usually inherit high intelligence and a strong work ethic the same qualities that resulted in the previous generation being well off. I assure you I was born and raised poor but I have definitely seen this from both sides and you are fooling yourself if you think being rich or poor as a child determines your life success.
I've also seen wealthy people that were accepted to top colleges specifically for their skin color not being white and also the automatic scholarship that comes with high class rank at a poor performing High School. Neither results in success in my experience.
Anyways, none of this has to do with Kate Courtney.
  • 6 1
 @SunsPSD: "Wealthy kids inherit high intelligence and a strong work ethic the same qualities that resulted in the previous generation being well."

That is a contender for the dumbest thing ever written in the comments section for sure.

Congratulations! Salute
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 @HB208: Redbull and Vodka good!!
  • 4 0
 @mobiller: Correction:

a *leading* contenter
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 @curendero: I prefer four locos... JK.
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 @mobiller: Sounds like you believe that everyone that is successful was 'just given it' and the ones that aren't 'never had the opportunity'.
Although America is far from perfect, there is still a direct line between the qualities and skills of a human being and their relative success, personal or financial as they desire, in this country.
I don't care what you think of me personally, but I think it sucks that unsuccessful people on this forum are trying to indicate that Kate Courtney didn't go out and earn her success. Ya know they don't just pass out those factory rides and college degrees. She did that. Not her parents and certainly not you.
Good luck.
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 @HB208: While I was at MIT three of the Kushner kids were at Harvard (I think all at once). Jared was doing a lot in Somerville at the time with Real Estate.
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 @SunsPSD @HB208: It is pretty tricky. She did work very hard and deserves to enjoy that, but I think that much of the distribution of wealth is fairly concentrated in California, so when moderately wealthy kids goto to places like Stanford it is good that we raise questions about it; it really is hard to say how much was the platform she was given, and how much was all her and it is healthy to debate that.

After my time working in Venture Capital in Silicon Valley at a firm that managed money for some Ivy League endowments (which Stanford is not part of), I always felt there was too cozy a relationship between Stanford and the wealthy folks in California that helped them manage their money. Especially for me coming from a seemingly meritocracy-heavy school like MIT for my degrees and growing up middle class.

Her story isn't that inspirational when viewed through the lens of her background, so perhaps Redbull should stop emphasizing her background so much. When you see how much she was given, and fairly, has done with what she was given, it is impressive what she has achieved in a niche sport. That is a pretty good metric for these schools. Everyone has to do the best they can with what they are given, however, a lot of people had to deal with a lot more to reach the same point. Personally, I would never let my daughter go into MTB racing -- it is a poor financial decision.

If she really wanted to goto Stanford I wouldn't stop her, but I have more respect for other schools.
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 @penguinni: Yes, I would say that her family isn't just "moderately" wealthy though. The house they live in certainly makes me believe they earn serious money. You don't afford a $7M house by being "moderately" wealthy. I know in your circles, that may not seem like a lot, but it certainly is.

I worked for a consulting firm for a bit and worked with people that went to Georgetown, Princeton, etc. and half of them seemed very good and half of them were pretty meh. Guess which ones were good? The ones that came from relatively modest backgrounds.

She certainly has put in the effort. I just hate when people conflate smarts with what school you went to. It is meaningless without other context.
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 @HB208: yes. We are well aware of the impacts that sugary, carbonated drinks have. Adding a sh*t ton of caffeine and other unhealthy ingredients does not help.
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 @penguinni: Stanford wanted Kate Courtney to attend for sure. She was already a world-class athlete in high school. I'm sure she got a full-ride scholarship to Stanford. I don't think there are any questions that need to be raised about her attending.
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 @mi-bike: it’s not but it is the equivalent of over nine tea spoons of sugar. which is foul how ever you look at it.
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 @chriskneeland: nowt wrong being cautious with crap that has nine teaspoons of sugar, sweet cheeks.
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 @Uncled: Bro, you should see how much sugar road cyclists consume during training sessions. An occasional can of Red Bull a drop in a bucket.
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 @SunsPSD: Kate Courtney is a rock star but she also embodies someone who is the product of a system very few people get a glimpse of, that is the product of a lot of support resources that come with a lot of money. There is a whole class of uber-achievers out there who have been created by the same system.

She is what a top 1%er is really like, for every one millionaire / billionaire that the media portrays like Trump there are 50 others who are low key, not necessary conspicuous, not flamboyant. They are just focused on doing their thing in the world and they would prefer not to have too much attention. Some of the things they spend the most money on are the least visible like expensive education.

90% of Americans stay near the rung of the ladder they were born on to. There is not a lot of economic mobility out there in reality. The thing that prevents people from social mobility is more often their values and social norms vs their skills. Fundamentally they wont ever feel comfortable with a crowd that is so different from how they grew up, so they end up self selecting out of situations, relationships, and opportunities that may be advantageous in terms of economic mobility.
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 @Endosch2: I was with you until the end of this:

"The thing that prevents people from social mobility is more often their values and social norms vs their skills."

I completely disagree with that. Plenty of wealthy children do not have great values, yet they maintain their class hierarchy. It also makes it easier when wealth creates wealth. Poverty is not a lack of values, nor is wealth an indication of values/morality.

FWIW, I jumped a class. My parents were always lower middle class and I am now upper middle (for my age). I don't make crazy amounts of money, but my wife and I make more than my parents ever did at 28.
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 @nattyd: I have a buddy that is a trucker that owns a 2.5 million dollar home that he paid for himself in the Bay Area.
Although it's pretty hard to imagine to people from more average real estate markets, in the Bay Area people direct an especially high % of their income to their housing, the real estate appreciated at an absurd rate, and home owners are protected from annual property tax increases by Prop 13 to a max of 2% keeping very expensive homes affordable for long term home owners.
A home that was purchased for $750K by 2 successful attorneys 25 years ago now worth $7 million does not indicate a super high salary for that region as much as it represents a very wise real estate investment.
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 @RadBartTaylor: Depending on the effort, downing soda is pretty common for pros after races or hard training rides. I did some behind the scenes work on the pro road tour and it was actually really interesting, after the race would finish the team trailers would have dozens of packs of coke for the riders to down. Maybe to restore blood-glucose levels? Not sure. But I wouldn't be surprised if they do fill them with water, I mean when have you seen them actually crack them cans open on screen??
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 @hunkyG: Your athletic performance is dictated by the amount of stored muscle glycogen stores and has nothing to do with what you ate 2 hours ago. The window to replenish your glycogen stores is about 30 minutes post-workout.
Everyone should consume a post workout recovery product or food that consists of about 75% sugar & 25% protein (0% fat). I began doing this about a year ago and became notably stronger on the bike as a result.
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 @SunsPSD: “nothing to do with what you ate 2 hours ago”

Huh? Just because you can metabolize sugar relatively quickly doesn’t mean your stored muscle glycogen is ONLY a function of the last 30 minutes. Virtually every endurance athlete in the world knows this. That’s why Kate, Nino, and pretty much everyone else will eat a high carb meal a few hours before their event. Lower glycemic index carbs in their gut let them keep muscle glycogen high at the start, without having to digest during the max effort at the start of the race. They’ll then top up with sugary drinks and gels during the race.

But don’t take my word for it. Here are a bunch of pros recounting their carb-heavy race morning meals:

Nino: “On race day it’s a light breakfast and, three hours prior, plain white rice. For a 90-minute race, this is plenty.”

Kate: “For me, eating gluten-free waffles with Greek yogurt, fruit and maple syrup has provided a great source of pre-race fuel. This meal is full of both complex and simple carbohydrates as well as adequate protein.”

Erin Huck: “The morning before a race I typically have oatmeal with banana, cinnamon, maple syrup, and either protein powder or Greek yogurt.”

Geoff Kabush: “Morning of, I often have poached eggs on toast or some kind of cereal/muesli/fruit/yogurt combination with some good coffee three to four hours before racing, depending on the event.”

And Thomas Frischknecht on the importance of pre-race meals: “I used to eat mountains of pasta the day before the race. Also in the morning I was filling up my stomach with a huge breakfast—bread, muesli, etc. The reason we did it that way in this generation was the racing time was a minimum of 2 1/2 hours.”

mbaction.com/how-to-eat-like-a-pro
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 @Endosch2: To me, I don't think anybody can really downplay what Kate Courtney has accomplished. She got a Bachelors in Human Biology from Stanford AND was racing UCI XCO U23 World Cup. Won 3 out of 5 U23 races and was at the top while getting that degree. That is nothing short of extraordinary. Both are full-time jobs. I don't even know how that would even be possible to accomplish both. Also, along with sponsors created the Sparkle On Scholarship fund for mtb athletes, so she is doing a lot of good in the sport.

For reference, I got a Bachelor's of Science degree in Biological Sciences via community colleges and a couple of California State universities. I'm not a good student and really don't know how I got through the degree. Stanford biology program is extremely rigorous because you are competing with some of the smartest and hardest working students not only in the country, but the world. Interestingly enough, my first job fresh out of college was at Stanford working as a research associate (lab tech) on biotech research program, so I'm familiar with Stanford. Lab work was not for me. Lol.
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 @nattyd: Yah, athletes eat a breakfast. That has nothing to do with the post workout replenishing of muscle glycogen stores which are where they get their power/ endurance from.

www.hammernutrition.com/knowledge/advanced-knowledge/what-to-eat-pre-race

"Pre-exercise carbohydrates consumed upon waking prior to a morning event are replacement donors for topping off liver glycogen levels lost to sustain PM metabolism. None of the AM carbohydrates find their way into muscle glycogen stores. Once liver glycogen stores are topped off, excess blood glucose levels needlessly raise hormones to initiate fat store mechanics. It takes only a small amount of AM carbohydrates to top liver glycogen stores, and the blood glucose disposal hormone profile process easily returns to pre-meal homeostasis-state within the 3 hour pre-meal period recommended. Athletes who follow this protocol report improved carbohydrate utilization relative for performance. We do not tell athletes they cannot take carbohydrates right before the start of the event, but we do encourage them to limit the amount. When insulin levels are high carbohydrate oxidation rate is also high and timing this affect postpones glycogen oxidations rate."
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 @tacklingdummy: I have a Microbiology degree from UT and was racing motorcycles during that time and was fully on my own as I had been since the age of 17. Not an easy time in my life, thankful for youthful enthusiasm. What Kate did is AMAZING and she deserves a lot of respect and admiration for it.
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 @HB208: "I completely disagree with that. Plenty of wealthy children do not have great values ... Poverty is not a lack of values"

Where does @Endosch2 say that wealthy people have great/better values or that poor people lack them?
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 @mi-bike: He implied it in this statement: "The thing that prevents people from social mobility is more often their values and social norms vs their skills."

He/she literally said that the thing that prevents people from social mobility is their values.
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 @mi-bike: I don't agree with the values statement but as far as capability and work ethic, absolutely. I've hired over 100 employees in my time and frankly most entry level applicants aren't hard working or particularly smart which is generally why they are where they are. The exceptions either move up quickly or they are just kids and it's just an early step.
When you run in educated/ successful circles you encounter a lot of smart people and you think it's normal, it's not. Those people are mostly above average intelligence. When you own & operate a recycling business as I do you realize that your average applicant is quite incapable and that's why they are there.
Sorry, but that's been my real world experience.
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 @SunsPSD: Yeah, I think we're talking past each other a little bit. I wasn't referring to post-workout recovery, just storage of glycogen pre-workout.

I'm not sure I understand the assertion that breakfast carbs have no effect on performance because they are stored as liver glycogen vs muscle glycogen. Presumably muscle glycogen is already topped up until it's consumed by aerobic exercise. Also, presumably, muscle glycogen is preferentially consumed during exercise. So what, then is the role of liver glycogen in long term exercise? Why am I so much less likely to bonk in an endurance event if I had a high-carb meal that morning?
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 @SunsPSD: Context is key here. Property values in the Bay Area have largely doubled since I arrived in 2014. But the buy-in remains extremely high, thus locking a huge fraction of the population out. I don't know when your trucker buddy bought his home, but if he's like the many, many Bay Area residents who purchased homes before the current insane price boom, sure, that makes sense. I don't think there are a lot of truckers in 2021 buying into this market. And, anyway, the market is so inflated that it would be likely to ruin them anyway. Homes are going for way, way, above their intrinsic value, even accounting for the nice location, just by proximity to Apple/Google/Facebook. Buying home equity is now more similar to buying stock in those companies than a traditional real estate investment.

Same with your two lawyers example. I don't know if I see that as "very wise" so much as "very lucky". Not to mention that a $750k home in 1995 would have already been way out of reach for the vast majority of the population.
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 @SunsPSD: Cool dude, you are ignoring the fact that plenty of children of rich parents party their life away and would be terrible employees. You just don't see them applying to your business because they don't need to.
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 @HB208: I wasn't always an employer dude.

Anyways, I think these comments have gotten so far off the topic of Kate's cool video as to be absurd.

Moderators should ban those that publicly attack these athletes on baseless grounds, but I'm not in charge so whatever.

Keep up the class warfare narrative and envy, it'll get you absolute no where in life.
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 @SunsPSD: Ok dude, I am not attacking her. I was originally pointing out to someone saying that "well she must be brilliant because she went to Stanford" that she came from super wealthy parents and that wealthy people tend to have the resources to help their kids get into top schools and training to become top athletes.

I am pretty successful in my own regard and I don't have "class envy." I just grew up in a lower middle class background and am now in the upper middle class (for my age group at least) and know how much resources affect your life outcome.

I think she is a rad athlete. I was just pointing this out and then the comments blew up.
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 @HB208: To clarify its not values meaning truthfulness, honesty, character. I did not mean it that way at all. Its what you put value in that can define who you are and what you become. For illustration, does your upbringing put more value in learning about 4-wheeling or learning to code? I know that sounds really snobbish but that kind of stuff adds up to make people who they are and may limit their socio-economic mobility.
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 @Endosch2: Thanks for clarifying. I would agree with you on that. A lot of smart kids from poor backgrounds have zero idea how smart they really are.
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 @Endosch2: Poor kids literally have fewer opportunities. Not to mention that social class, skin color, gender, sexual orientation, physical disabilities, etc. also all affect access to jobs and education for people.
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 @WildboiBen: For sure! I agree, but even with more equal opportunities and access people need to be able to shed their social norms and what they put value in to be economically mobile.
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 @Endosch2: fair enough!
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 Love dogs, and love the IDEA of trail dogs, but in my experience, for every well-trained, safe trail dog, I encounter 2-3 that run all over the trail in the way of other riders and sometimes chase cyclists while the owner looks on helplessly. It's one of those "this is why we can't have nice things" situations.
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 The ultimate goal obviously, is to train my Vizsla to run the Strava segments with my phone so that I can get all the KOMs without any danger to myself. I'll just hang out at the truck with an energy drink and a flat billed hat.
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 Says Marin County, but that ride looks a lot like Windy Hill on the peninsula.
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 You'd be correct. I've seen her riding out on Skyline a few times. I think because #marketing. Marin county sounds a lot better than Portola Valley.
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 @Kyleponga: I'd like to think it was a mistake, since there has been a lot of stuff about her being from Marin in the past. Marin ain't even close. We're a bridge and two counties away.
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 SF Bay Area doesn't have the best vibe toward mtb-ers, but there is a heck of a lot better trails that what they showed. Some hidden gems, but just have to know where to go.
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 I'm most impressed that she can ride while her dog is leashed. Both of my dogs would pull me off my bike so fast.
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 I'm surprised she doesn't give her dog to her boyfriend so he can get a bit of a assist trying to keep up with her...
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 Yup I'd make it 10' before hitting the deck with my dog lol. But then again it's possible Kate's got a just *smidge* more core strength than I do.
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 @trillot: I think Will is no slouch on the bike either.
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 The look on her fiancé’s face: “I am about to get worked again.” Looks like a great life, good partner, good dog, nice place to live, and doing what you love. I am a bit jealous.
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 I wanna be a trail dog in my next life
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 I wanna be a trail in my next life, ridden every day.
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 Yeti cooler ice bath. Genius!
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 It's perfect if your 2 fee... never mind
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 www.xptlife.com/home-ice-bath-setup-with-chuck-glynn

Probably a lot cheaper than a yeti cooler and it's always ready to go.
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 @Mattcon20: I think I’d electrocute myself the first time I used it
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 Love the saguaro's at 2:52. I guess I shouldn't be surprised Marin has turned into a desert since we moved away 13 years ago.
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 HAHA This is a little south. You've never been to the San Mateo Desert?
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 I'd love to see more of her local trails rather than some of the very random things she's showing that isn't her backyard, otherwise cool.
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 It’s because all the local trails are all illegal in Marin!
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 @rednova: good on her for not blowing up the spot
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 @rednova: It's not Marin, it's mid peninsula. But all those trails are illegal too
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 @rednova: oh that makes sense, I thought, what RedBull rider doesn't show their riding?
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 Looks like she moved out of the parent's house in Marin. Those are Mid-Pen fire roads and probably near her new hood
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 @phalley: Lots of illegal trails, but lots of legal ones too. Seems like most of those shots are from Windy Hill, maybe some from Russian Ridge - legal and very nice. Plus, Skeggs is like 15 minutes away and amazing.
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 @suspended-flesh: 99% sure most of those shots are from Windy Hill. I rode there yesterday. I see them up there once in awhile.
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 @nattyd: Yep. All the "California Sucks" people like to say "Every Trail Is Illegal!!!" to justify wherever they may be, but as we know, that's not true.
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 @suspended-flesh: Bay is pretty amazing for MTB. Within an hour from my house we have Skeggs, Russian Ridge, Demo, Santa Teresa, Waterdog, and UCSC. A little father and you have Henry Coe, Marin, Ft. Ord. Pretty hard to beat for a major urban area.

I'm moving to LA next year, and the riding is the hardest thing to leave, by far.
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 @nattyd: I've heard there are good trails around LA as well. Just much drier and dustier than the NoCal trails.
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 @HB208: Send me some recs!
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 @nattyd: Tons of Youtube videos. I live in Boise so I can't give you specific names, hence the "I've heard" part Smile

To be fair, the videos I have seen remind me a lot of Boise's trails. Super dusty, fast, nothing overly technical about the trails but the speed you can go can make them scary.
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 I usually spot her riding her mtb down a paved road sadly. as referenced most everything illegal and apparently she doesn't make enough to pay the tickets.
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 @Jsmoke: You act like we don't have Skeggs, Demo, RR, Waterdog, and Santa Teresa right here. She posts stuff from Skeggs all the time.
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 @nattyd: Your riding is more scenic, and you have better weather and better dirt, but I think you'll find LA riding to be pretty damn good, too.
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 @scvkurt03: Glad to hear it. Where's the best place to live for MTB?
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 @nattyd: Not to mention the spots you didn't mention, which are the ones I ride. Not Illegal, per se, just not a dirt sidewalk for bike families.
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 @nattyd: Just was down in LA to see my mom and rode Brown Mountain/El Prieto. While I like the landscape better in Norcal, the trails were great and the people were super nice.
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 @nattyd: Bentonville, AR. It's official.
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 @VtVolk: Good night, John-Boy!
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 @rednova: yep. they only showed the fire roads b/c everything (that is fun) is illegal.
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 I've got my Vizsla trained as a great and safe off leash trail dog. It's a process involving lots of recall & heel training on leash, beginning with safe places, but as a back up in the beginning (for their safety) you also have to have a shock collar as their instinct to sprint after prey is very strong and could get them ran over. It would be cruel to use a shock collar if they didn't fully understand and know what heel & recalls are beforehand.

However my girl is a bit of a runt for a Vizsla and she really can't do a full big boy at speed ride as she just gets exhausted. I purposely swing by the Austin Green Belt and get her cooled off in the water a couple of times per ride.

Getting my dog trained to trail ride has been great in so many ways:1) she is a lot more free to explore and get real exercise than she ever was on a leash, 2) my 8 year old daughter is much more interested in mountain bike rides when the dog is with us.
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 This is good advice. Honestly, if the trails around me weren't crowded, I'd probably be more inclined to take my dog off leash on some rides (after proper training). However, they are in fact getting very crowded and I do not want my dog to get hit (for its own safety and a rider's safety).
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 Jesus Christ these videos really highlight what an inert slug I am. Maybe if I just install a squatrack next to a Red Bull fridge...
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 Hahahaha I hate those saunas,I sold and build a few one´s. It is supposed to have something covering the wood when it is outdoors. It looks cool but it is not very user friendly.
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 Production value differences between this and Rob's video...lol

We still love you bro.
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 The full power of Kate Courtney and the Red Bull editing team... Vs Rob in a shed eating a chip sandwich unsuccessfully trying to crush an egg.
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 I confirm, having a TTD of less than five minutes by bike makes my life bearable. Smart lady
  • 4 1
 I see her all the time on her road bike, you'd think she was a pro roadie.
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 Dog Taco @ 1:03
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 More like a hot dog tbh.
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 Instant Time to Dirt (TTD) is a big draw if you can get it. Extremely difficult in SF Bay Area.
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 Best decision I ever made. The trails I live near aren’t even that great but it makes a huge difference in how much you can get out, especially having a kid and non-flexible work schedule.
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 @SangamonTaylor: Makes it much easier to go for a quick rip all the time. I don't really like riding on city streets much because the car dangers.
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 WHO needs a e-bike when you have a dog to tow you up the climbs?
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 Vizslas are the perfect dog. That's the post, nothing else.
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 Agreed!!!! The video should be about the dog...
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