The White Rim Trail in Moab is a famed 100-mile loop in Canyonlands National Park. In 2019 the record was set, the “Fastest Known Time” on a bicycle was under 6hrs. This is no easy task for any human, the loop stretches across the vast canyonlands carved by the Colorado River. It's full of a colorful landscape that has eroded into countless canyons, mesa’s, and arches. This makes for a daunting task on a self-supported bike adventure.
Current US Cross Country National Champion Keegen Swenson once had the infamous FKT on the White Rim trail but recently lost it. Since losing it Keegan has made it a priority of his to return and reclaim the FKT.— Monster Energy
The mind of an elite endurance athlete is wired so differently to the regular mind. Imagine beating a record on a ride this brutal and still planning to come back to go faster just because you think you can. By contrast I'm satisfied with a Strava KOM on a segment only three other people have ridden. Serious respect to Keegan.
@Arepiscopo: I think some of that killer mindset is actually self medicating/therapy of sorts. Exorcising mental demons and using the myopic focus to leave the world behind.
I would not say they're physically wired differently. Some people just consider competition to be of utmost importance, and who's to say if that always leads to healthy outcomes. I only say this because some of the best young racers I've ever met had super whack parents whose competition mindset bled into unnecessary aspects of their lives.
@seth333: I would disagree on the wiring/ability thing. I played (American) football through college and a few times I went against guys who ended up in the pros, including some guys I played with that had serious NFL looks. Those cats were physically built differently that most people. They could run faster, lift more, and were just capable more than most of us despite how much time we put into training. Not taking anything away from efforts like this at all, because damn, but genetics are a huge part of being able to do what professional athletes do as well as they do as long as they do it.
Did you see that sprint at the end? When I do Mag 7 (which is less than half that ride) I can barely turn the cranks over after the Portal. Top XC racers are on such a different level!
Mag7 through Portal will beat your body up differently. Much more upper body required for the technical terrain on Mag7 as compared to riding a doubletrack for 100 miles along White Rim. The climbing though, think its over 6k vertical, your legs will hate you, mine did.
Just looked at the video and realized the segment they're using for timing is the one I targeted when I did this back in 2017. I got the KOM for it back then with a 7:49. Looks like I'm pretty far down the leaderboard now Pretty amazing what these guys and gals are doing.
I rode it a few weeks ago, it's more rough than it looks in places that can save you a lot of energy. I think a hardtail is the perfect compromise, I really enjoyed having open line choices with my Pivot 429.
@dThass I’ve done WRIAD four times, and can confirm that a gravel bike would be inordinately slower. Even on a hardtail, that ride seriously beats you up. Proper XC race bike is the ticket. Aero bars could help, but for the most part it’s too rough out there to sustain aero position.
Some of it, sure. It’s been about 20 years since I last rode it but I recall it being a bit rough. It’d take hands and wrists of steel-reinforced rubber to do it with any modicum of comfort. So I guess Keegan is the one to try it!
Yeah I mean, I've never been there but I have watched a five minute video of a professional who is at the sharp end of FKT times. He obviously chose the wrong bike. Should have used a gravel bike. I know.
Peter Stetina rode it on his gravel bike to check that theory last year and quickly decided it wasn't faster. The previous FKT he had (that Keegan just beat) was on a full sus. w/ aero bar clip on extensions.
Lol ya, I bet you're idea is better than the dudes actually riding it.
Having ridden it, you would be hike a biking long sections because of the sand. As everyone else said, the trail is physical and you need a mountain bike, even a full suspension as all these guys are riding, to ride it quickly.
I've done it on both a full suspension, and hardtail, in both directions. Fully self supported both times. Gravel bike would suck for the long sand stretches. My time on Keegan's route was about a 7:45, but I did it at a hotter time of year, didn't have a camera crew following me just in case, and so I had about 6 times the amount of water that he did, and still had one full bottle at the finish. There are definitely rough stretches, but if you're fit and hitting it hard, the hardtail wasn't that bad. A light XC FS would probably be best. My FS was a Ripley LS with an MRP Stage 140, and my race wheels and light tires. Time was just a few minutes difference, but difference in wind is a big factor. Definitely want to go wide on the tires. My Ikon 2.35s were a life saver for keeping me going in the sand. You wouldn't make it up any of the steep climbs with the gearing on a gravel bike either (not to mention the lack of traction on the gravel bike in the loose climbs). You'd be walking many sections with the gravel bike.
@TucsonDon: Would 2.35 tires on an unsuspended bike work? If the tire size and gearing deficiencies of a gravel bike could be addressed, would it then be a faster bike, or is suspension of benefit too?
Yes, I did it on a 26" fully rigid single speed, rocked DMR supermoto tires in 26x2.2. They loved the paved road and sandy sections alike and did well on the rock too. I know Stephen Fitzgerald recently lapped it on a Rodeo Labs Flaanimal with 650x2.4 tires equipped, but I don't think he was going for the FKT. I do believe suspension is a benefit, not for the speed, but more for not beating up your body as much. I was worked after my lap which took over 13hrs, started before sunrise, ended at dusk.
I was there in my truck and the temp guage got up to 118. Cook a pizza in your oven, when you open the door to pull it out, that's what it felt like. I'd like to ride a motorcycle around it.
With the speed this guy is riding, always it’s going to be headwind. Much respect. I’ve done more than several times and can say that full suspension bike is the better option.
@pizzaordie: The same can be said of Stetina's time though... his easily could've recorded as faster than it was while Swensen's recorded slower or vice versa. It's an open course and the accepted practice so it stands, irrespective of inaccuracies on either side.
They do usually use a secondary timing system for these. Dude standing at the "start/finish line" with a stopwatch/timing clocks is pretty hard to fool, easy to get within 6 seconds of accuracy.
@Austin014: Funny how loops work like that I've done it the same way Keegan did. It results in the least amount of driving. You park where the loop comes closest to the highway. You end up going down one set of swtichbacks near the beginning and having to go up the other near the end. Some folks try to make it easier, and will drive all the way down one set of switchbacks and start from there. Either climbing the switchbacks right away when fresh, or going the other way so you hit the other set of switchbacks midway through, but get to end on a descent (that way doesn't sound that great actually since it's a steep loose dirt road switchback descent, not fun singletrack and you have to be on the brakes a lot) Anyway, that requires about an extra hour of rough driving in the car to try to make it easier. I prefer Keegan's route, that way you're descending a long sandy stretch after you come down the switchbacks instead of climbing that long sandy stretch, which is brutal. The wind can be crazy down in those canyons, sometimes it feels like a headwind all day, even though you're changing directions.
It would be interesting to turn some of the riders who've done The Tour Divide loose on this, If they can go hard enough to complete 2700 miles in 13 or 14 days, they ought to be able to hammer pretty hard for 100 miles.
Honestly I don't know that they'd do all that well. Sort of like how a marathon runner won't do well in an 800 meter sprint. I'd think that a 100 miler would be similar to a sprint for those Tour Divide folks, so maybe just now long enough to turn loose? Could be totally wrong though!
@MattJonesPhoto: Matt: Well, you may be right, but consider: To finish the 2700 mile Tour Divide in 14 day is an avg of almost 193 miles per day, so a few percent below double the 100 miles for this challenge, so knowing they only have to go half the distance they normally cover, not to mention not having to do it again for each of the next thirteen or more days, I expect they could "ramp it up" considerably......I guess we won't know until someone who has done the GDMBR steps up and gives it a go
@GT-CORRADO: also remember the guys that are doing this are national champs with super high thresholds and power. A td rider really just has good endurance, not power
@GT-CORRADO: There is very little overlap between the elite performances on Tour Divide and the White Rim. Consider: 1) one event has a 5 hour duration, the other has a 350+ hour duration 2) average speed on the White Rim FKTs are 20mph, on the TD its about 10mph 3) one enters the WR FKT totally fresh and rest/recovery is a mere 5 hours away . . . TD is essentially a no-recovery (or perhaps "highly-active-recovery") test of sleep deprivation 4) there is little/no logistic component to the WR FKT in comparison to the critical food and water resupply issues on the TD. 5) The power output as % of lactate threshold is significantly different. I didn't spend the time to find the exact levels, but a reasonable guess might be 90% of FTP on the WR FKT for sustained periods, probably 100% or more for short periods, while the TD is probably closer to 70% of FTP for 10+ hours at a time.
That last bit -- % of FTP in the event -- will typically segment elite athletes into various niche "specialties" in many sports, not just cycling. Compare Olympic velodrome track sprinters to a Tour de France winner, for example.
No doubt an elite Tour Divide racer could post a respectable time on the White Rim, and many have. But nowhere near the current ~ 5 hour records.
With proper training a tour divide racer could probably put down a really fast time but training for the divide and training for a 100 mile time trial are quite a bit different.
I did the TD in 2015, and have done the white rim 4 times. The white rim is similar to a short day on the TD, but I can tell you there is no way most of us are averaging 18mph. The TD is all about time in the saddle. Yeah the top guys are pulling 200 mile days, but they are riding 20 hours a day.
I would bet on a Euro Pro Roadie that does well in the Belgian cobblestone classics.
The Tour Divide winners are tortoises compared to the hare-like Pro Roadie and MTB pros
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Going down at speed would be risky but fun .
Peter Stetina 5:28:23
Payson McElveen 5:33:58
1) one event has a 5 hour duration, the other has a 350+ hour duration
2) average speed on the White Rim FKTs are 20mph, on the TD its about 10mph
3) one enters the WR FKT totally fresh and rest/recovery is a mere 5 hours away . . . TD is essentially a no-recovery (or perhaps "highly-active-recovery") test of sleep deprivation
4) there is little/no logistic component to the WR FKT in comparison to the critical food and water resupply issues on the TD.
5) The power output as % of lactate threshold is significantly different. I didn't spend the time to find the exact levels, but a reasonable guess might be 90% of FTP on the WR FKT for sustained periods, probably 100% or more for short periods, while the TD is probably closer to 70% of FTP for 10+ hours at a time.
That last bit -- % of FTP in the event -- will typically segment elite athletes into various niche "specialties" in many sports, not just cycling. Compare Olympic velodrome track sprinters to a Tour de France winner, for example.
No doubt an elite Tour Divide racer could post a respectable time on the White Rim, and many have. But nowhere near the current ~ 5 hour records.
The election of Trump was a backlash, in part, against the overreaches of PC culture. The “protect everyone from being offended” movement extends well past U.S. borders, probably into all developed, western nations, as far as I can tell.
I couldn’t stand Donald Trump, unfortunately, I think we’ll see more like him if we can’t back off the hyper-sensitive, “cancel everybody”, “everything is racist”, sentiments.
I can appreciate where OP is coming from, no one wants to hurt the feelings of rape victims, but people are getting sick of walking on eggshells and you can expect a reaction.