Video: More Suspension Tips from Jordi Cortes in 'Dialed'

 @ColquhounerHooner: you’re totally right! I saw that on last week’s Friday Fails!

 Unless somebody’s frame grew longer and slacker over night, this is a rather weird question... you bought a different bike so you also have a different fork with different spring characteristics and and frame has different kinematics and a different shock.

 Fastest rebound (for you) is best rebound.

 @kinematix: if you make fast rebound feel good it means you are fast...

 Damping is conversion of kinetic energy to heat, so you want to run as little rebound as possible while feeling in control (which for dh riding is usually a good amount because of the speeds involved). Longer bikes are more tolerant to this because the weight stays more equal between the wheels.

Fast vs slow rebound is a little more complex, and depends on the leverage ratio and the particular shock.

 @phops: I assume you meant that you want to run as little "compression" as possible?

 @ColquhounerHooner: the faster you get, the less rebound damping you run. that's one of the truest things you'll learn in MTBs

 @RadBartTaylor: nope. you're half right. yes you need more compression damping, but the bigger the hit, it's usually you are traveling faster. in that case you want LESS rebound damping to get the tire back on the ground ASAP.

 @conoat: Not true amigo - most fast riders slow the rebound down a bit from the average bloke if they are aiming for speed. Don't take my word for it, start @ 8:00:

www.pinkbike.com/news/vorsprung-tuesday-tune-ep-19-rebound-damping.html

..for a more lively feel fast rebound may be better and feel more fun....on the race track it may not be faster...

 @conoat: or you can make what you want of Sam Hills comment at :35

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcsHib1ovs4

 @RadBartTaylor: this discussion is so bloody ridiculous, are we trying to determine how much rebound everyone in the world should run? It depends on tons of things. Why would anybody give a slightest damn how much rebound Sam Hill runs? It’s his own experience, and his mechanics own experience driven preference. Just because Loic runs this suspension testing show doesn’t mean he doesn’t make some less
Rational decisions against what his mechanic tells him.

Go out there and do testing, do some laps and figure out what works for you. Move 3 or 4 clicks up from where you are then on next run, down from where you were.

Theoretical benefits of running too little rebound... that’s the problem of many people, they are theorizing too much

 @RadBartTaylor: No, I meant rebound.

Rebound is the part that destroys energy you put into the suspension, since motion gets turned into heat. If you are hauling ass dh, you will want a good amount because you are putting significant energy into the suspension that can destabilize you, so you need rebound damping. If you are trail riding, you can run minimal rebound and get a very poppy bike. If you know how to jump, you can also jump with minimum rebound damping and not get bucked either.

If you want to see this work in real life, try turning rebound to max and then min on your fork and trying manuals at either end.

Compression is essentially for bottom out and pumping. HSC is used to tune bottom out on big hits without going up in spring rate, and LSC is used to firm up the bike for faster control, since you often want to just push off the bike without the suspension compressing first. But compression damping prevents suspension motion in the first place, so you don't waste as much energy into heat.

 @WAKIdesigns: of course it depends, thats obvious, everybody is different...which is why I was reacting to the faster you are the less you run...which in general, is not necessarily true.

You mean "bracketing".....what most of us have been doing way before you had ever heard of the term?

 @phops: My bad, I misread your OP....we are saying the same thing....

 @RadBartTaylor: "I run it a bit slower than the other guys..." yeah. he is talking about other pro riders....who run it damn near wide open. context matters

 @conoat: which is why I said "make what you wan't of it"....if faster rebound is for fast riders, it would stand to reason he'd run his faster than most, which he doesn't. N=1 doesn't make it true, but certainly is a data point.

More rebound damp is also needed for higher pressures, which faster riders tend to run...

 Rebound has nothing to do with the size of your bike. All it knows is the force operating on it. Spring/air pressure. This 2 things change as geometry changes and that will effect rebound

 @WAKIdesigns: this is good advice. Fast or slow rebound means nothing. Relative to what? I’m definitely not the smartest guy out there as some of you have pointed out, but in my 10 or so years of working at WC’s I’d say generally better riders tend to run rebound faster than novice riders. Maybe because they tend to be in the proper position and understand what movements are necessary to counteract chassis movements. Where as more average riders (like myself) could rely on rebound to help out if you’re a bit off balance. Just my 2 cents.

 @Cordijortes: I can imagine they run it faster. I didn’t criticize you rather others who are getting into awkward details. I asked Öhlins technician about switching frame to get 20mm more travel to get more squish and he told me to remove at least click of rebound and since he saved me 1k Euro, he wants at least 5% of that sum for this advice.

Would you though run a bit more rebound for riding medium/ big jump lines like Aline or Crabapple bits? Off course on top of Compensation for more preload and maybe a bit more compression, one maybe could desire to have for such riding?. Let’s say me and my bros want to do sick trains and send it sideways with loads of steeze (that was a sarcasm) for 6 runs in a row - would I benefit from hardening the suspension and slowing rebound a bit too much?

 @WAKIdesigns: ah no, didn’t think you were! Just a bit sad to see how people treat each other here. ????????

 It's mostly a wash with regards to wheelbase vs rebound. It is a longer effective lever, but the change is bike height is the same. Head angle definitely has some effect, but that's really due to friction added by slack angles. For a low BB you COULD run less rebound, but less sag, and perhaps a bit of volume reduction, will be more effective. If it's low enough that pedal strike is an issue, you need to eliminate some end stroke. You could combine that tuning with a very slightly lighter oil so the extra pressure or preload doesn't reduce sensitivity as much. That way it would stay active with ample bottom out resistance.

 Due to the ratio of rider to bike, rebound can serve a much larger purpose than say a car or motorcycle. Most important is first is that the rebound is balanced (but not the same) front to rear so the wheel can recover and track the surface. A tuners question should be returned to you after you have ridden the bike asking, what did you feel, what is the bike doing that you want to improve?

 @Footey72 He knows whats up

 @Cocorico: Quite obviously a Performance level Float X2...

 @getonyourbike: not the current one, must be a prototype

 @getonyourbike: Just joking,but pb readers don't ^^

 Are you familiar with suspension service.

 You can still bounce up and down on it in the privacy of your own home so ive heard?
Counts as a service.

Or also store it upside down , can't remember which pro said that but he swore by it, something about oil and seals and shit

 First, you need to rub all the dust off your forks with a fine grade sand paper.Then, to prevent any oil dripping out, top up both legs wit sawdust. Should be all set then for when riding season kicks back in. You're welcome.

 @bigtim: Dont forget silicone joint to prevent dust to enter, epecially shrader.

 tip The bike upside down for a few minutes every few weeks or so to keep the bushings and seals nice and oily. Not the best to leave the bike upside down though because if there is any air in your brakes it will collect at the caliper (caliper now being at the high point of the system) and could potentially cause seals in the caliper to dry out, oxidize and fail - it’s rare but it happens. We recommend once a week to tip the bike upside down, give the suspension some squishes, operate the dropper post and while you’re at it air your tires so they don’t break the bead seal and your sealant dries up.

 @friendlyfoe: Not every one is a pro bike mech or may not have access to tools or a service centre in these lock down times. I'm pretty good with adice like @Shredtheduck but, was just thinking what the tips could be from a pro suss centre for those that aren't

 @Trudeez: like this?
www.pinkbike.com/photo/18451581

 @Shredtheduck: I think the trick is to screw a large plastic coated metal hook to the wall and store your bike upright (hook holds the front wheel). The fork oil should rest in the spot where your wiper seals are, fully lubed ready for the next ride.

 @nojzilla: perfect!

 @Trudeez: Had a dropper that lost all its air after sitting for a month, never had a problem with it before then or since.

 @RoadStain: aaaaaaaaaaaand amurica has today been announced as the highest number of cases, hhmm wonder why

 @RoadStain: It's not about you, its about protecting vulnerable people by reducing the spread of the virus and minimising the strain on your healthcare services

 @RoadStain: Not to be morbid or anything, but im interested to see what happens in the US, considering peoples attitudes towards it. There are other places that have locked down, and where people act with regard to others around them, and not a blind determination to follow their own immediate interests.

Time will tell..

 @RoadStain: Yes, vulnerable people should stay at home. They will need to stay at home until the worst of the virus has passed, and the quickest way of doing that is to minimise the spread.

 @zyoungson: I foresee thousands dead trying to shoot the viruses.

On a more serious note, I'm very curious about the situation in the US too, mainly because seen what's going on in countries with decent healthcare systems, I can't imagine what's gonna happen there.

 @RoadStain: Young folks with no comorbidities are dying to. I seen it with me own eyes. Patients in their 20s and 30s proned on the ventilator, super sick and will die. Don't think just because you are healthy you're not at some risk or have the virus and are asymptomatic.... which then you spread to someone else and somewhere down the line you've gotten someone else sick and they could die.

 @nojzilla: total case numbers by country don’t mean much, let’s talk percentages. Deaths per million people, for example, puts the US behind many European countries, and the UK (more than double the US). Not to excuse Roadstain, but population size and density really needs to be considered. The US is big and there are a lot of places where you could easily go on a bike ride without interacting with anyone else. Those places are not where US C19 cases are concentrated. Fairly safe to say rogue mountain bikers aren’t the problem. (Although that cavalier attitude might be.)

 lets talk numbers when this thing is over(?)

 @Trudeez: I hung an old bike with fox upside for two years, took it down to scavenge some parts, its now rigid.
Maybe I should have tried sawdust.

 @RoadStain: A eugenicist... Crikey!

 @RoadStain: So you do you “also” work in healthcare?

If so, you should lose your license or privileges for this ideology and become your PB namesake.

 @twade76: Miranda Miller rides and publishes a video about it, PB reaction: COOL! Way to keep living in these troubled times! #takethatcovid! #f*ckcoronavirus!

Someone in PB comment section says they rode their local trains yesterday, PB reaction: Selfish PRICK!!! You are personally killing people by riding your bike you a*shole!

 @smithcreek: Fair point, although I was reacting specifically to the flippancy of the original post, use of 'we' implying that they are going as a group and that people that are following guidance to stay at home unless you need to go out are 'paranoid fools'

All of the guidance about staying at home is to protect society and make it easier for our health services deal with people who are genuinely in need. We all know that as active and relatively fit and healthy people we are at very low risk of having anything more than a couple of days feeling a bit under the weather, but for some people this virus will be devasting.

Not sure exactly what the guidance in the US is, but we can still get out and ride (which I still do), but it should be on your own and you should stay fairly local.

Taking it easy for a few weeks is a small price to pay for that.

 @RoadStain: Some basic maths:
US population: 330,515,224
US coronavirus tests: 130,403
330,515,224/130,403 = 2535

US have tested 1 in every 2535 people.

UK pop: 67,796,521
UK tests: 127,737
67,796,521 / 127,737 = 531

UK have tested 1 in every 531 people.

I'm not saying one country is doing better than another, or that I know anything about the medical profession or epidemiology, but it's best to spread actual numbers rather than fake news.

Sources:
www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/testing-in-us.html

www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public

www.worldometers.info/world-population/us-population

www.worldometers.info/world-population/uk-population

 @nojzilla: nailed it

 @nojzilla: cause they didn't quarantine after getting home....

 @RoadStain: Name checks out.

 I am waiting for Mr president Donald Trump to mention Sweden as a beautiful example on how to handle the pandemic and keep the economy going as much as possible

 @Homatron: Let's just start off by saying that @RoadStain is a complete nut. But the reality is that you've made an error too. 130,403 (old numbers btw) is the number of tests that we have had return POSITIVE in the US. This is a tiny fraction of the total number of tests we have performed here. We were slow to get tests because our president played down this situation and called it a hoax for a month, but now NYC is testing more people per capita than South Korea ever did. We're starting to get the ball rolling finally in the US. This is why we have more confirmed cases than anywhere else in the world. And we certainly have fewer actual cases than either Italy or Spain, and they have much smaller populations than us...

 @Shredtheduck: I heard it from Darren Murphy (of Push Industries)

 @almostsendy: thanks for pointing out my mistake. I have now found the site below which is a lot clearer, and shows 851,578 tests have beendone in the US.
So about 1 test in every 388 people as a coarse average. It also has values by state.
covidtracking.com/data

 @SLBIKES: Fish Tank Cleaner doesn't count.

 @almostsendy: Was talking about this with my wife while perusing my favourite Corona map. Agreed, "confirmed cases" is not the important number because that's just a function of testing. The key numbers are "deaths" followed by "death rate doubling (or rate of increase)". I don't know exactly what the "hump" number is but a few articles/tweets indicate that if you can get the death increases to slow to a greater than 3 day spread you may be over the worst of it. Also of note, mortality rate is a moving, inaccurate target because unless you test everyone, you'll never actually know how many had (insert illness)...you'll only truly know how many died because of it. However, more testing drives down the mortality rate (which you want), unless everyone is dieing (which you don't want).

"Hoax" definitely didn't help your (ie. USA) cause.

 Nobody really knows how it all works, can’t you understand? We are a full month into this stuff, it doesn’t really take a CIA analyst to get it. Numbers are not indicatory of anything here other than virus is highly contagious and spreads well even by folks who have no symptoms.

We should be concerned by actions of our governments, the limitations and lock downs are questionable, the ONLY thing they do is the are saving the healthcare by flattening the curve. For now. Nobody knows how long it will all take, Nobody has any long term plan, how can they?

What are the risks? Many! Is the lock down sustainable? Highly possibly not and not even in economical terms, how long before people will say: f*ck that! I’d rather die or kill a few people than sit at home any longer. Old people are doing it already! They say f*ck it! What will happen when governments ease it off? Won’t people swarm the streets amd cause a massive spike? Who knows that? Nobody. Chinese got locked up completely, Italian stubbornness mixed with their highly social behaviors caused a major fk up, we all pay for, Swedes are generally healthy but also asocial to each other anyways, Us and UK populations are obese and have huge risk groups stretching outside of elderly population. Every country is different and uncomparable. What works in one country won’t necessarily work in another.

Nobody knows anything and won’t know anything for months to go. Counting bodies is a damn ridiculous way to look at it. Saying survival of the fittest is the way to go, makes zero sense too. Certain images are extremely powerful and change perception of the world in many people. One photograph of a Black guy being attacked by Police dog gave a huge boost to civil rights movement. You may not care about your grandma or mother that much, but a video of a doctor crying out loud in the midst of dead people, or a white mother holding a child with dying people in hospital corridor can also fk you up. You don’t know what will hit you hard.

Keep track of your demons people... after this will be getting over, there will be a line of pig faced politicians feeding those demons. I am not religious, but for the lack of better expression: keep track of what Covid does to your soul. It can get extremely ugly in there. Be afraid of other people... take care of them. Don’t eat cheap solidarity...

Only history can tell

 @RoadStain: I can’t find any relevance in anything that any politician says eo please don’t mention their policies. They are just talking crap straight out of their butthole. There is no point in commenting on it. We should be talked to by doctors, economists, bankers, since they are running our countries at the moment. The ape at the helm is so irrelevant, that commenting politics is a health wasting activity considering how much effort and emotions is out in something so useless. Perhaps that is the point... occupy population with going through poop you just laid, just keep laying the one poop after another.

I want to vote for big pharma for next elections and right now I am worried about doctors, nurses and janitors at hospitals...

 This depends on how long we’re talking. If you put a freshly serviced suspension in the garage for 6 months you’re not going to have issues.

 @Shredtheduck: not upside down but hanging front the front or rear wheel isn’t a bad idea. It can keep the foam rings in the fork saturated vs. just sitting on its wheels, but upside down the lube will just sit in the stanchions

 @WAKIdesigns: you talk about Sweden not shutting down and keeping their economy going; what does that mean, exactly? I work for a major global commercial vehicle manufacturer headquartered in Goteborg (sorry, U.S. keyboard on a tablet). At least all of our truck technology group employees in Sweden have been laid off and the Swedish government is covering the majority of payroll, with the company making up some small percentage and the employees taking home over 90% of their wages with the condition that they absolutely cannot work, even if only viewing emails. Is it like this for most of Sweden, or is this an outlier? How is the economy still open if most industries are like this?

 @RoadStain: it’s not just the MD’s nearing retirement age that are tapping out. It’s the same with the PhD’s in Psychology. They’ve also had children later in life and want time with the grandkids instead of getting sick or dead over some idiot patient that’s probably not going to pay anyways.

 @dodgerpuppy: It was with a tongue in the cheek, concerning how outraged some people are that we didn’t close schools and kindergartens, that restaurants are still running (even though there’s less than 1/3rd of people in them. I am from Gbg. Yes Volvo pulled the hand brake, sorry, pressed the hand brake button.

 @WAKIdesigns: Please, remind me, Volvo, they are the Chinese auto company that has cars with Turbo AND Superchargers on the same engines, right? Loved by College Professors and other liberals/lesbians.

 @RoadStain: What I heard about Volvo owners in UK is that most of them are c@nts. So you mean that in US they are owned by College professors who are liberal lesbians? I am not sure about Sweden though. Man, if you want I can come Close to a window right now and take a picture, I see 5 of them. If I do the same in the afternoon there will be at least 10 parked on the street. I am personally not a liberal lesbian and far from being a college professor. Own a boring but extremely functional V70 1.8T. Right now a part of Volvo, sister wanker company Polestar (just like wanker companies AMG, M, Alpina etc.) released their first Volvo like fully electric car. It is almost double the price of Tesla S Twin motor. I don’t know who in the fk buys that. I saw a few, these were 35-45yr olds, who looked like posh hipsters.

 Sorry sorry update Polestar 1 costs 1.6mln SEK, Tesla S dual motor 1.1mln SEK. The cheaper Polestar 2 is just a notch over stronger version of Tesla 3. I’d take Tesla any day... But I would also take the latest Volvo V60 T6 over any German car.

We don’t have these big penis problems like people in US, with trucks, and generally think you know what why Europeans buy SUVs. Why would you bloody buy something with shitty 4x4 drive that does nothing but increases likelihood of car grounding failure, with only few cm higher standover, that burns at least 20% more and have tires that are 30-50% more expensive?

Wagons... Swedes love Wagons

 @WAKIdesigns: its more of an economics thing. Gasoline is cheap here compared to most places in the world, especially compared to Europe. As I remember, it was clean diesels all those environmentally woke euros used to drive...?

 @DHhack: hell is paved with good intentions. But at least someone tried something. It went wrong and not that wrong. It gets better now. We will do mistakes again. Nobody knows where Tesla and electric cars are going to lead us. Cynicism has this property that although it points the truth it does nothing itself. It may inspire and enrage some, but the cynic himself is powerless slowly but surely eating his own excrement getting more and more sick of himself and in the end if he doesn't evolve, doesn't transform people stop listening to him and treat him like a piece of crap. So make sure you are not one of those cynics. I am gla Diesels are dying, I welcome electric vehicles, and will welcome autonomous vehicles even more. There is no defending SUVs. They are a ridiculous waste of energy driven by irrational sense of superiority and thus false security.

 @WAKIdesigns: not that wrong?

 @DHhack: what exactly went really wrong? You will be giving me shit? Oh hey we have an American dude teaching Europeans about emissions, what’s next? A Chinese bloke teaching us about dangers of eating untested wild animals? Dahn’t eat da bat soop! Ya chose wong madafakaaaa to fk with white boy

 @WAKIdesigns: Used to love the 850R (wagon).,...but, settled for an E63S (wagon).....in either case, as long as I am using fossil fuels I am happy! (power can go out for weeks at a time in hurricane land).

 @RoadStain: the issue with German cars over here is that mechanics are charging ridiculous sums for regular service, not to mention repairs.

 @WAKIdesigns: Yeah....same here!

 @WAKIdesigns: old car mechanic here, it was only obvious that diesel was too good to be true. How many VAG cars were running with no emissions systems running unless plugged in for a test? Why I bother with a woke stoner euro trash biker I don’t know. Boredom I guess.

 @DHhack: first off you have no idea who I am, what my political views are (To save you some time: sadly NONE! I don’t believe in political angles since they don’t exist). You have no clue what you are even arguing. So I will treat you just like I treat selfish a*sholes on high horses, called Green Leftist: well my man - You don’t like it? what alternative Do you propose? How should we change the world given we are trashing the environment (it’s a scientific fact, nobody gives a shit what you or I think, the fact is, we are pumping X amount of carbon dioxide into atmosphere and Y amount of toxins into air, ground and oceans which will make the Levels of these emissions be Another X and Y amount. So given that we At least hypothetically have the possibility to minimize trashing it - what do you propose? Let’s keep it in transportation sector. How should cars develop/ evolve?

Or do you just don’t give a damn? Sorry, are you comfortable with it? Or are you, just like me: too stupid to come up with some solution and you are just pretending you know something?

Please enlighten me, considering how you criticize political decision aiming at minimizing emissions?

 @RoadStain: no, not VOLVO Car Corporation. Volvo Group is a separate company form VCC; no longer affiliated in any way. Volvo Group is strictly commercial vehicles: Volvo Trucks, Mack Trucks, Renault Trucks, Volvo Construction Equipment. Volvo Group is still a Swedish company.

 Are aware of all "Apéro" techniques? Have you ever been to Châtel fo example?

 Working on it!

 @Cordijortes: gin based negroni with a splash of tonic. a few of these and my DH bike feels dialed in the driveway.

 Normally we look for 15/20% sag in the fork

 @Cordijortes: thanks for the clear answer Jordi!
May I come back with the mother of all questions? Why are clicks counted from closed?
The set up instruction is somehow hard to read, because to me it feels normal that more damping should mean more clicks. But its obviously not!
Is it because fast riders are more on the firm side, and so its easier to count a few clicks from closed, than a dozen from open?

 @WoS: because closed is easily defined. Don’t forget Fox has recently had issues with way more clicks on the adjuster than was actually moving anything.

 @WoS: because closed is an absolute and depending on the design of the adjusters it can be incredibly difficult to keep tolerances the same. So yes there can be a variance in the number of clicks.

 @Cordijortes: Another question came to my mind: is there a program to test Fox shocks? (apart from race support)
Im interested to see how my bike performes with a coil shock, but I want to try before I buy. Is it possible somehow?

 Everyone can benefit from some trail side testing. Just follow the basic rules. 1)know where you are so
You can go back
2) make only one change at a time
3) keep
Track of everything you do

As far as custom tuning that starts to get a bit iffy. If you’re way outside of the average weight, then maybe, but You’d need to work with someone you really trust.

 10mm doesn't sound like excessive, does it? There is always some variation in axle to crown length depending on how hard the forks are inflated (compressing the negative spring) so they want some buffer. You don't want the crown to hit the dust wipers, but you also don't want the tire to hit the fork crown as the fork bottoms out.

 @vinay: I'm not talking about headroom for the dust wipers. Those 10 mm are on top of that.
It is also not a tolerance issue... i had three 36 2019 and 2020 forks and each had the exact same length.
Somebody at fox intentionally made them 10 mm longer and i'd like to know why because i can't come up with a reason.


A 160 mm 36 29" is supposed to be 567 mm (+/- 5 mm, which is a joke but ok) but it is actually 577 mm.
Therefore the consumer has all the disadvantages of a 170 mm fork like messed up geometry, more flex and the cracking in the crown will occur earlier due to the longer lever while doing nose manuals.
Advantages: none

 That extra 10mm is in the design of the crown I believe, the stanchion length is dictated by the fork's travel

 @Ben-P: release the all air, compress your fork, keep it compresses and release the air again, repeat until you bottom it out. Check how much room there is between the top of the tire and the bottom of the crown. Then complain.

 @WAKIdesigns: do it yourself and then post.

 @Ben-P: Around 2007 there’s been a group of courageous new thinkers who installed shitty wheels with 584mm rim diameter and even shittier tires to 26” bikes and claimed it made all the difference in the world. By 20102 the trend culminated with introduction of proper tire clearances allowing to mount fatter tires with this diameter to otherwise good 26” bikes. “My Fox 32 has enough room in the arch for 650B tire” a proud middle aged man said. Another man told me to use an old 26” Fox 36 with 650b wheel to get better fork offset. I didn’t dare... I wasn’t woke enough. Many of these courageous men broke their noses, collar bones and lost teeth in crashes resulting from tire bottoming into the downside of the crown, fueling the growth of Yeti brand.

 Maybe you should stop buying shitty fox forks then? Problem solved.

 Top out tolerance

 @Ben-P: I too would like to know the reasoning behind this. If a 160mm lyric fork can have 160mm stanchions why do fox 36 160mm forks have 170mm stanchions?? Makes no sense are Fox lowers 10mm shorter so overall length, head angle and wheel base remain the same no matter which brand fork you run???

 @Prh: yes it makes less sense but until you can confirm that during bottom out the top of the tire is 2cm from the bottom of the crown it’s a matter of lowers being too low and bushing spacing could have been bigger. At the same time I am not a suspension designer who has made and tested tens of fork designs so I have little Idea how dimensioning of bushing offset should look like.

In my books 36 is still a better fork than Lyrik and if there is anything to blame it for it is the crappy crown/ steerer interface as reported by many. Again I am not an engineer designing forks not manager of production, so it is hard to tell whether their issues are coming from inadequate fit tolerances or that insert depth of the steerer into the crown is insufficient and it should be increased.

Please remember that RS fit tolerances on bushings used to be quite bad (as can be observed on my Lyrik and many other) and most other companies like Formula or DVO or CanE Creek Don’t have as good availability of service parts so there’s really no place for fanboism In the fork world.

At the end of the day most of these forks work really well, so most complaints are first world problems

 We did this on the advanced trail setup. Basic bracketing is what you do to get the most out of any setup. Good luck!

 @C0yotekid: et ta soeur, elle est safe?

 40*

 Grim's required 2.0 steerer tube too.

 Almost everyone is on an air fork. There are a few people running coil conversion kits but it’s increasingly rare. Not sure why you’re struggling with the lyric as it’s a great fork

 @Cordijortes:I’m not saying the lyric is bad ,maybe this new 2.1 it’s a little better in small stuff ,or maybe mine just need a new oil ,or maybe it’s just me that got used to much to the coil feel ,I’m not a great rider nor even a good amateur,but I feel they lack that zink zink ,fast on the first 30%,and them slowing down at half point ,and the rockshox tune air pressures are just to low in my point of view. Air forks in the pros are getting very good indeed if that’s the case ,and thanks for the reply ,be safe

 I’ve seen it done....

 @Cordijortes: Lolz

 You don't need the tool, but it's nice to have if you perform regular service on your forks. Those aluminum nuts can get chewed up quickly if you hammer them with cheap sockets. Those tools are really for the shop guys, so when you're working on SOMEONE ELSE'S stuff you don't munch it up.

 @seitenryu: A dead blow hammer is a must have tool in general, but works wonders in the way of not damaging things, I mean to say "I've seen it done".

 unfortunately it depends on who is servicing it...

As a Fox Service Technician: We take the whole unit apart, check valves and shims (quite often replacing a shim or two), change every single seal (even the not movig ones as they age too), clean every single part, fill it with fresh oil.

But i know far too many bikeshops that only change the "most important" seals or even only change oil or bleed the cartridge. (Same with bleeding brakes, quite a few only bleed them instead of replacing the liquid). We got to deal with the unhappy customers later on...

 www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&listall=service
here is a list of all the service manuals, so you can pick the one you're interested in.

www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.php?m=bike&id=652
here is an example of a damper service for a fork.

 Thanks to both. I only need a lower leg service at the moment but will probably send it back to fox next year for the full service

 My workout is reading through some of these comments.

 Also way more blowing thru the travel because no HSC, and riding in the last 1/3 of travel because rockshox

 @zyoungson: the old boxxer was the dream, but only with a coil

 Thanks

 @Cordijortes: Your welcome, fortunately that means its more relateable to most people.

 They’re veterinary feeding syringes. Should be able to find them online

 A day later....busy eating chocolate

 confidence

 Super Monster