Merry Whismas! The Whistler Bike Park is officially open for 2020 and while things may seem the same, there are a handful of differences to be aware of.
Well yeah clipless pedals will help with that. I’ve only ever seen/met people riding those who actually have broken a collarbone. Why? Because being attached to your bike causes under rotation and prevents your body from moving the way it should in a crash SCIENCE (shouldn’t be this magical thing)
Haha I love this. I'm recovering from my collarbone right now and it never would have happened if I wasn't connected to my bike. Few more weeks and I'll be back clipless.
@monkeybizz: I have to fully disagree with you in terms on exclusivity to clipless pedals. The one and only crash I've ever had that damaged anything to do with my shoulder was done on flat pedals. Clips are alot like driving a manual car. You need to get used to the action. I naturally unclip in every "oh shit" situation. I crashed more when getting used to them, just like you might stall a car getting used to manual. If your a flat pedal rider who thinks clips are more dangerous, you haven't really given them enough time to get used to.
@Torrrx: Yeah sort of... but I think adult training wheels perspective is kinda wrong. I think its more in the perspective from where flats no longer can provide the same performance. I believe all riders should start on flats, they teach major fundamentals to riding that clips dont provide, but i think there is much more to clips than just keeping your feet on the pedals. You ability to put down power increases massively, to which when were speaking of racing, is a massive gain.
@jomacba: while I fully agree there are people who have been rising SPD since Shimano invented them and still aren't used to them. I had an argument with one guy who insisted he had been rising SPDs since they came out, but also claimed he had to think about unclipping (hence his move to flats).
If you have to think about unclipping you haven't learned them. It took me maybe 7 rides to get over my initial fear (but still having to think about it) then maybe a season for it to be pretty much taking my feet off the pedals. Of course I grew up with toe clips and found them a pretty much non-wvwnt except for when going over the bars.
My recommendation to anyone learning: fresh cleats, release at 0 clicks. You'll have the benefit of clipless yet easy release from anything but straight up and down (e.g. pull to a side and your foot is out). JKW only ran 2 clicks for release. Basically you want the benefits of toe clips without the risk. You can pull up on a pedal withy you foot coming off, bit can yank you foot off without thinking about pulling your foot from a cage. If you have to think about it you have too many clicks of tension or not enough experience.
I'm more concerned about clipping in than out. When I'm tired, quickly clipping in before a feature is the difficult part.
@eh-steve: I have never used SPD cleats so I can't speak to that. I've been on exclusively Time Atac's back in 2002 otherwise I've been on either flats or Crankbrothers. Personally, I really love the feel of the CB system.
@monkeybizz: I wish my clavicle got the memo that it shouldn't break because I ride flats... You talk about science but obviously have no understanding regarding the etiology of clavicle fractures.
Any Whistler locals want to adopt a COVID-free Washingtonian for 21 days (14 days quarantine + 7 days riding)? You won’t see me and I’ll pay all your normal expenses for the month.
But for real, does anyone have tips on how to hit whistler this summer as an American? Actively trying to figure out the logistics of a 14 day quarantine lol
@me2menow: get the rest of your country on board with quarantining, social distancing and face masks... then maybe Canada will open up their border to you guys... but definitely not at the moment... Thank Trump for that!!
@clalonde: You're funny. Thanks for lumping a country this big into one big old mess.
If you're reading stuff on Seattle, Atlanta, Florida beaches & all those mega-ant hills in NYC full of inbreds crawling and seething all over each other....that's not the other 99% of our country.
I can social distance pretty easy by just living my daily life. All these people who "shelter in place" those big cities though, they really don't have a choice. They can social distance all day, but there isn't 6 feet of distance between front doors there, so they're going to transmit like crazy. And you can't pretend like Montreal or Vancouver are these germ free zones. Outbreaks there are just as common.
@clalonde: I've been at it pretty strictly since early March personally. Poor leadership no doubt is ruining it for everyone else who has been diligent.
@clalonde: well I live close to Hollywood and there were 25,000 protestors Slammed together on Hollywood Blvd few weeks back. So yeah, gonna be a minute.
Hey @Whistler Blackcomb, what are the chances that twilight hours will be introduced? As a Whistler resident who works full time, this is where buying a pass carries any sort of value.
Many locals were surprised that the season's pass is the exact same price as last year, despite the season being 6-weeks shorter with reduced hours. However, I'm sure people can understand some of the financial hardship that Vail has seen and will continue to see as a result of Covid, and may still be willing to pay. What is hard to understand though, is the fact that WB has done nothing to specifically cater to the local customer by both excluding twilight hours and withholding communication to the community about opening/trails/practices.
Perhaps the higher cost is in place to intentionally reduce the volume on the hill in order to keep lift lines small and the paying customers happy, but I think instead out overcharging for the season, it would have been wise to just communicate the right messaging. Things will move slower, volume will be reduced, the world is a different place.
I, among many others in my circle, will not be buying passes this summer for this reason. It has been the resounding conversation for the past week, that if WB had offered later hours (5-8pm), and/or reduced the season pass price to an appropriately pro-rated value (~630 hours of reduced opening time), then many people would have either purchased passes or had kinder words to say about our home mountain.
Vail got a massive bailout...they could run that place empty for year and wouldn’t give a f*ck...They certainly dont need the money...On top of reduced hrs and shorter season, the Creekside zone is closed, the peak is closed and the warmup runs ( Aline / DirtMerchant) are closed...It should be cheaper by a lot this years...
Its a real scam and quite insulting for locals ( especially after the winter fiasco) but , they know people will be going up regardless so they keep the same price.
@neroleeloo: at least they opened, Keystone and Vail bike parks have no plans to open this season. They can say its from COVID, but us locals already snowboarded at A-basin down the road last month with socially distant lines and masks (similar to WBP now). As an extra insult, they are even running the lifts for scenic lift rides, but no bikes allowed.
I understand pinkbike has to make money and these are difficult times, but the advertisement to journalism ratio in this piece basically makes it useless. I can just go to the Whistler Blackcomb and Trek website and get the identical info. I'd like to hear what trails were closed (A-line, Dirt Merchant, Crab Apple) and why. When or under what circumstances will they open. What was the rider experience? Was it busy? How did other riders feel about it? At least act like you are doing some sort of independent journalism. You can do better pinkbike!
Perfect conditions, more trails open than expected and pretty small queues considering it was opening day. Definitely worth buying the pass for, thanks to all involved who made it happen!
There's a handful of "safe bike park" pages on their website but none of them really say anything. @christinachappetta: or anyone: do you know how to check what trails are open? ps keep up the great work to you and the team
Thank you! Sorry about that, we hoped to get a shot of the usual "trails board" with openings and closings but that proved difficult. As they had lower A-line open and were working on the top section, I'm hopeful more trails will open up as they have time to fully work on them.
@haroprease: Was there on opening day and saw t hem working on A-Line entrance by where GMC pump tack was. And last section of A-Line was open on opening day. So I assume it's coming.
@rewob: Y'all just got voted the most infected country in the world. Europe doesn't want you nor does Canada. We all listened to the medical professionals thats why we are able to have fun this summer.
@luckynugget: I've never really been on the PinkBike comments until the last few weeks. Glad I stopped in to see how smug many of you Canuckistans can be behind a keyboard.
@Nwilkes: I'm referring to the restriction of travel places on us citizens who ironically want closed borders but feel THEY should come and go as they please. So I'm using #buildthewall to satirize the situation of Canada tell Americans to stay out, and Americans being mad about it. Especially when they want to use the "healthy hombre" card. We have people in the streets with guns saying "my body my right to get sick and spread infection" I'm not at all surprised they want us to stay away.
@usedbikestuff: Thanks for sharing that! I appreciate that John Oliver is so funny, while at the same time he talks about serious matters that need attention in a way that us mortals understand. And yes, Canadians, it is a bit shocking to know there is (one) nasty Canadian out there, we tend to think of all Canadians as super nice and friendly. And all of the times that me and my family have been up there, you don't disappoint! Thank You all (except one) for being Lovely. Maybe that Landlord will be put in an American museum. Cheers! Enjoy Whistler
I dont know about all of you who were there yesterday, but I felt safer in the line up then the village. The village was nearly back to full tourist capacity with no face masks etc. Hats of To WB for putting on a good opening day on short notice
Would be nice if they addressed trail closures, timelines on certain trails being reopen? Prices? May not be the place to discuss it, but going cashless is also frightening. I can probably get the reasoning behind it right now, but if this sets a precedent for the future.....
Most trails were open so we didn't feel the need to dig deep into closures. MOST importantly though...lower A-Line was open and I saw a crew working on upper section sooo..... I'm very hopeful it will be open soon! Creekside currently shut as well. As for prices, please check the WBP website for that info as there are a number of different options to purchase.
you think that's frightening, wait until the government switches to digital only currency where they can tax and fee every transaction you make and link it to your ID so they can enforce whatever policies they deem fit, i digress
@imho4ep:That is what I am eluding to... No cash, forced to use credit/accounts tied to centralized networks that have access to layers of data. Anyway, probably not the place for it
Words Cannot describe how jealous I am rigth now.
Had a week and a half planned for July. Now just hoping I can make it up at all this yr.
Locals in whistler are about to have the absolute best season ever
Lower aline was open yesterday and running sweet. It was open as it’s technically a single black tech trail. Mid aline looks all freshened up but still closed as they want to avoid over running the vancouver hospital with air ambulances, I reckon soon. Oh and they have re shaped the berms after crabs too, so it’s all on the cards
Great reply from PeterT. We got to ride lower A-line yesterday and it was nice! I'm hopeful more stuff will open up once they get a feel for the traffic AND have time to maintain them with the lower staff numbers. You wouldn't notice anything missing though bc there are tons of options open!
I just can't believe you people are taking off your masks when on the chairlift and on the trail. They should remain on your face at ALL times. No, not because of safety (let's be real). A piece of cloth on your face serves no safety purpose, but damn they look cool. So many designs and fashions. I've been wearing a used piece of TP on my face. Both for fragrance and compliance. Everyone loves the smell of their own shit. And nobody wants to see an exposed mouth.
Come on, it was smooth as silk and considering this year’s situation it was awesome. Vail have been hit by covid too ! If you weren’t happy on the hill in Whistler yesterday I can’t imagine how you’d feel on a normal day.
I absolutely hate vail resorts, and have no interest in giving them a single dollar at any of their resorts. Except Whistler. Whistler could be owned by the devil and charge double and I would still want to go a few times a year.
@PeterT: No worries. Chrisgus's account looks to be a shit burner account (no pics, 90% asshat comments, etc.). Probably lives in his mom's basement and just bitches about things not being up to his level of Bro and barely rides.
PSA for everyone, if you forget your CC and only have cash, chas is a legal tender and they aren’t allowed to refuse it or else they’re going against the law.
That's simply not true in the US or in Canada. Legal tender doesn't mean businesses don't have the choice to accept whatever form of payment they choose for a commercial transaction.
The law only states that cash is legal tender for the settlement of debts. Private businesses can chose to accept (or not accept) whatever forms of payment they want.
59sec-1min mark - you're talking about keeping 6ft apart and literally the next shot shows you walking shoulder to shoulder with a person to get on the chair.... Good skills.....
@mmarkey21: thanks! And we’re allowed to load the chair with our riding group. Otherwise, could you imagine every chair being a single?! That would take eons.
@monkeybizz: That or they're a business trying to adapt to a very complex situation. As long as the park employees enforce distancing guidelines, masks, and they're following all the protocols I find it hard that this would end up being a hotspot for transmission. The main issue is how people congregate prior to entering the park. It seems that they should have some sort of reservation only policy and no same day passes available to regulate how many folks make the drive to the park.
Masks reduce droplets from YOU toward the lift operators and others in the park as you breath, cough, or sneeze. It's not about having a clean mask for yourself. It's helping to keep the workers, who are encountering hundreds or thousands of people a day up close, from getting infected.
@Hogfly: you should instruct your fellow Americans in Florida to do so instead. My whole family are doctors so feel like I’m a little more qualified than you about the subject
There are a multitude of studies, both in the laboratory at the micro level as well as statistical analysis of mask wearing in practice at the macro-societal level, that show the effectiveness of wearing masks for reducing spread of the disease.
But I'm honestly not here to argue about this, I get to do enough of that in real life.
@monkeybizz: I don't get whats so f*cking hard to understand when it comes to mask wearing. In general when people sneeze or cough what do they do? If they are not a total piece of shit slob its expected that people cover their mouth or face right? Why, because spraying a bunch of cough or sneeze juice into the air and onto everything around you is f*cking gross and spreads germs. Mask is the same thing.
Censorship is real. Looks like my comment was deleted. Strange. I was not blasting the rules. But hey I guess that's the world we live in now. No free speech even in Canada.
The one and only crash I've ever had that damaged anything to do with my shoulder was done on flat pedals. Clips are alot like driving a manual car. You need to get used to the action. I naturally unclip in every "oh shit" situation. I crashed more when getting used to them, just like you might stall a car getting used to manual. If your a flat pedal rider who thinks clips are more dangerous, you haven't really given them enough time to get used to.
Until shit hits the fan and you can’t unclip because it’s too fast, and now you’re laying there with a bike on you.
If you have to think about unclipping you haven't learned them. It took me maybe 7 rides to get over my initial fear (but still having to think about it) then maybe a season for it to be pretty much taking my feet off the pedals. Of course I grew up with toe clips and found them a pretty much non-wvwnt except for when going over the bars.
My recommendation to anyone learning: fresh cleats, release at 0 clicks. You'll have the benefit of clipless yet easy release from anything but straight up and down (e.g. pull to a side and your foot is out). JKW only ran 2 clicks for release. Basically you want the benefits of toe clips without the risk. You can pull up on a pedal withy you foot coming off, bit can yank you foot off without thinking about pulling your foot from a cage. If you have to think about it you have too many clicks of tension or not enough experience.
I'm more concerned about clipping in than out. When I'm tired, quickly clipping in before a feature is the difficult part.
Oh, Canada - how I miss you!!
If you're reading stuff on Seattle, Atlanta, Florida beaches & all those mega-ant hills in NYC full of inbreds crawling and seething all over each other....that's not the other 99% of our country.
I can social distance pretty easy by just living my daily life. All these people who "shelter in place" those big cities though, they really don't have a choice. They can social distance all day, but there isn't 6 feet of distance between front doors there, so they're going to transmit like crazy. And you can't pretend like Montreal or Vancouver are these germ free zones. Outbreaks there are just as common.
Try not to fall victim to the news please.
Many locals were surprised that the season's pass is the exact same price as last year, despite the season being 6-weeks shorter with reduced hours. However, I'm sure people can understand some of the financial hardship that Vail has seen and will continue to see as a result of Covid, and may still be willing to pay. What is hard to understand though, is the fact that WB has done nothing to specifically cater to the local customer by both excluding twilight hours and withholding communication to the community about opening/trails/practices.
Perhaps the higher cost is in place to intentionally reduce the volume on the hill in order to keep lift lines small and the paying customers happy, but I think instead out overcharging for the season, it would have been wise to just communicate the right messaging. Things will move slower, volume will be reduced, the world is a different place.
I, among many others in my circle, will not be buying passes this summer for this reason. It has been the resounding conversation for the past week, that if WB had offered later hours (5-8pm), and/or reduced the season pass price to an appropriately pro-rated value (~630 hours of reduced opening time), then many people would have either purchased passes or had kinder words to say about our home mountain.
Its a real scam and quite insulting for locals ( especially after the winter fiasco) but , they know people will be going up regardless so they keep the same price.
At least act like you are doing some sort of independent journalism. You can do better pinkbike!
Dunno why you're getting downvoted. Your comment had more information about closures than did the video, or on the WBP webpage!
There's a handful of "safe bike park" pages on their website but none of them really say anything. @christinachappetta: or anyone: do you know how to check what trails are open? ps keep up the great work to you and the team
As I type this, basically no A-Line, Dirt Merchant, Freight Train, Fade to Black, Rippin' Rutabaga, Clown Shoes, Crabapple
Hat off to WB on that
I thought only green and blues would be open!
Wait that was just my dream last night
We all listened to the medical professionals thats why we are able to have fun this summer.
We have people in the streets with guns saying "my body my right to get sick and spread infection" I'm not at all surprised they want us to stay away.
May not be the place to discuss it, but going cashless is also frightening. I can probably get the reasoning behind it right now, but if this sets a precedent for the future.....
yeah, a few...
Vail have been hit by covid too !
If you weren’t happy on the hill in Whistler yesterday I can’t imagine how you’d feel on a normal day.
No, you aren't qualified at all. The nonsense you are spreading makes that clear.
Doctor does not equal infectious disease expert.
There are a multitude of studies, both in the laboratory at the micro level as well as statistical analysis of mask wearing in practice at the macro-societal level, that show the effectiveness of wearing masks for reducing spread of the disease.
But I'm honestly not here to argue about this, I get to do enough of that in real life.
Have a great day.