Video: Local Riders on Edge After a Spate of Armed Bike Jackings in Berkeley

Apr 19, 2021
by James Smurthwaite  

Riders in Berkeley, California are deeply concerned after a string of armed bike thefts on a popular cycling route.

The latest robbery took place on April 10 when a Transition Spur was taken from a rider on Grizzly Peak Boulevard. This is the fourth confirmed robbery but apparently there have been other attempted thefts on the same road.

The perpetrators are using their vehicles to drive lone cyclists off the road and then are approaching them with guns or knives to take their bikes. If the robberies are connected, the thieves seem to be using different vehicles in different attacks. In the first attack, The Berkleyside reports that, a cyclist was "run off the road … by two men in a grey VW or Toyota sedan", however, following the April 10 attack, UCPD are looking for a black or green Volkswagen or Volvo with California license plate number 5DJK736.

A cyclist has described what she suspects was an attempted robbery to The Berkleyside. She said "I was riding up Grizzly Peak toward Tilden, about a quarter-mile uphill from Fish Ranch, when suddenly a small black car tried to run me off the road by veering right and stopping abruptly right in front of me,” she told Berkeleyside. “A black SUV was right behind it, effectively boxing me in (no escape route as there was no shoulder in that spot). Fortunately, both cars took off quickly (leaving me unharmed), and I am not sure if it was because other cyclists were coming up the hill in the distance.”

As shown in the above report from CBS, local riders are increasingly concerned by the attacks. Lone riding has become more common during the pandemic and the slow speed of cyclists riding uphill makes them more vulnerable to attacks. Cyclists are urged to carry personal belongings in pockets rather than in frame bags and ride a less expensive bike if they have one. Police advise cyclists not to ride alone and instead ride with a large group or at least with one other person.

Several law enforcement agencies are responding to and investigating crimes in the area. We will update this story with more news as it comes in.

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  • 290 4
 Jokes on them, my bike is a year old and has totally outdated geo, was going to chuck it anyway.
  • 65 0
 They’ll get 15 feet before going OTB on that 67 degree head angle.
  • 30 0
 Imagine wanting to steal a bike that isn't a high pivot mullet setup, couldn't be me.
  • 7 0
 @timbro: my seat tube angle should do the trick by itself.
  • 7 0
 @bikeybikeybikebike: Yet another reason to set up your brakes moto. First time thief applies the brakes OTB.
  • 167 2
 Next specialised bike to have gun holster integrated in the top tube
  • 169 0
 specialized "merica" edition
  • 123 0
 Real SWAT case with bullets
  • 76 76
 @petrospit: I ride with MANY guys (and girls) who have sidearms every ride.
  • 15 3
 Honestly if I lived there, I might think about carrying bear spray. California sounds pleasant, eh!
  • 32 1
 you can do better than gun holster. meet Specialized S-tube aka shotgun integrated in top tube.
  • 66 57
 @JustAnotherRiderHere: judging by your previous comments and general racism I wouldn’t want to be in your riding group anyways, RoadStain
  • 36 10
 Breaking News: New Garmin mount takes M60
  • 15 1
 @vemegen: being specialized they have done extensive doctor led research and developed “body-geometry” proprietary shotguns that are 14.5 gauge and only use specialized developed shells that prevent numbness and promote blood flow.
  • 13 7
 @vemegen: or handlebar end shotgun with remote trigger.

But seriously though, I think carrying on a bike might help with animals, but would likely just escalate a human/robber to shoot you first and then take your bike. I would gladly give them my bike rather than draw on them...
  • 13 5
 @takeiteasyridehard: If someone is willing to rob you at gunpoint, what makes you think you can deescalate anything? They are willing to commit a felony on you, for some property.
  • 22 3
 @JustAnotherRiderHere: The only way to stop a bad guy with a a good guy with a chainsaw!
  • 20 1
 SRAM will join the party with a .308 BB standard, BOOM .45 rear hub standard, and you'll see the return of the 9mm axle up front.
  • 7 0
 @CircusMaximus: please don't temp us with a chainsaw fight.
  • 20 21

Why all the down votes? There's some crazy people out there and it's only a matter of time before the idiots robbing find out
  • 14 4
 @owlie: I didnt make any mention of deescalating. I dont think you can. But I do think you can make it a lot more dangerous for yourself by pulling a gun when you are already at gunpoint.
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 @takeiteasyridehard: I thought more guns make people safer!
  • 7 0
 @takeiteasyridehard: This made me laugh harder than it often do you get attacked by animals? I'm imagining you fending off wolverines, badgers, bears, birds, etc pretty much every other ride.
  • 20 23
 @Upduro: Nice, an ad hominem attack to show how woke/open you are. Not impressed. There is but one race, and it's the rat race, and all we humans are in it. Competency knows no sex or race, nor does hatred, and in that is true equality as we see our fellow humankind as being equal while celebrating differences.
  • 15 9
 @wasea04: his previous account literally got banned for racism. It even says ban reason: Racism on his profile.
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 @Upduro: Eh, I didn't see the comment that got him banned but most of his recent comments don't see to be racist...just hugely misguided. The big crusade seems to be about affirmative action. There's legitimate concerns about affirmative action being exactly what it's aiming to solve which is racially discriminating. There are definitely quotas and I personally know of people denying jobs because the applicant was not a minority. Assuming he reads this, the problem is if you don't actively put your hand on the scale to make things equitable then you'll just keep piling on a bunch of rich, old, white folks and nothing will change. There seems to be an unusually odd mix of far right and far left on this site today. I just want to be clear though; I think he's an idiot and I doubt being in the state ranked 46th in education didn't help
  • 3 1
 @ryan77777: I was trying to make a justification, or differentiate between what I see as a semi-rational justification for carrying on a ride (cougars), and one that isn't (not getting shot or having your bike stolen at gunpoint). I personally don't even own a handgun, so I am not that person, but I do understand why people may want to have them. I have encountered many Cougars over the years here in Idaho. Two at the same time got within 30 ft of me and a friend. Others about 100 ft away. None of these while I was on a bike. But, I have had enough encounters to consider having a handgun for backpacking. I do think that is your best chance if they decide they want to snack on you. I still wouldnt carry on a ride...
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 @takeiteasyridehard: If you are properly trained and understand the rules of engagement you are much more likely to be effective with a firearm. Remember you have the element of surprise.
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 @Upduro: Fair enough, I didn't see that, and I'll still say it's unrelated to this topic.
  • 6 1
 @takeiteasyridehard: yeah, living in the most density of cougar population in the world here on Vancouver Island, I disagree. The amount of encounters resulting in attacked trail users by cougars in the last five years has been surpassed by these thugs in a couple weeks.
  • 3 1
 Coming back a few hours after casting the line, great success...
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flag zone66 (Apr 19, 2021 at 10:06) (Below Threshold)
 @Norman22: bro Germany has been in the news for far-right conservative rally’s all week. I love Germany, but dam non of us westerners have clean hands.
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 @kcy4130: What good would that do versus a bike jacker with a gun?
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 @Geoman: Yeah, tbh I missed the "armed" part, thought they was just taking a bike by force/outnumbering the biker. Nevermind.
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 @JustAnotherRiderHere: then you have more in common with the criminals committing these crimes than the civilians riding their bikes...
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 @Gmang: Lots of cougars at my local coffee shop. I get attacked regularly. It's the spandex.
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 @JustAnotherRiderHere: Not in California you don't.
  • 13 7
 Wouldn't sell to the population of Berkley that currently believes free speech and thought has no place in this world, it's group think or else. And they sure as hell don't want anyone defending themselves with toxic masculinity or whatever they want to label it. Per them you will be appropriately handled by the government when they defund the police.
  • 2 0
 You need to have it concealed in your jersey pocket so you can shoot out their tires while they try to drive off and escape. The last laugh will be on them as they try to ride your bike to freedom and discover they cant pedal your clip in pedals.
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 @ryan77777: wait - even the wildlife in the States is packing?
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 @griffinsurfboard: A lot of otherwise law-abidiing people are strapped to the gills here in CA. During the Shelter-in-place c0ovid time, it was scary being out on the streets every day without a weapon. The only people out were sus AF and there was a terrible shortage of victims. Now that everything's pretty much back to normal, the citizens outnumber the jackers. The cops no longer do any policing to speak of, which is fine - it's time to learn to live without a paramilitary security guards for the ultra-wealthy up in your business.....damn I sound like a damn Libertarian.
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 @CircusMaximus: stihlsaw em bro,,,, braaapppp gnar tear,,, limb drop
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 @takeiteasyridehard: If concealed carry is legal where you are, and you have a permit and a clue of how to handle yourself if necessary then....

Of course if no concealed carry then you could just train up in some unpronounceable martial art and de-arm your attacker then pistol whip them upside the noggin' before waiting on the local constabulary.

Now onto the wildlife, when we speak of trail cougars, are these lonely older women looking for a ride? Where are these trails again? Got any pichters?
  • 3 1
 @suspended-flesh: Getting really hard to trust the cops as it's becoming more glaringly obvious what they get up to

That's not even getting into the recent shootings/killings regardless of race. If you want a little perspective about unnecessary force and police attitudes I highly recommend you watch this video
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 @Ieazo: concealed carry is definitely a thing here. But, I would still rather file an insurance claim and wait for a new bike rather than increase the odds of anyone getting shot. A bike is not worth a life, even if I was well trained with whatever techniques might allow me to apprehend the criminal, I would still let them have the bike. 2 guns always increase the risk of you or them getting shot, and I am comfortable enough with my manhood and rights to be able to let the bike go without possible escalation or injury. I have a wife and getting home to her safely takes top priority.
  • 3 2
 @Rokcore: No love for LEOs. Many of he 'Police' we have come to accept as a normal part of 'Society' are just slave-catchers for the rich and the for-profit prison system..
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 @takeiteasyridehard: I hear you, and absolutely get what you are saying but I work hard to be able to enjoy the things I invest my time and money into, no scumbag will be removing any part of that from me. Why not let them take the bike and then put them down once they have dropped their guard, thinking they have successfully pulled of another robbery? Very little in the way of specialist skills needed other than a calm head.
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 @Ieazo: I am torn on how to answer and feel a bit dissonant about this topic. Letting them go probably encourages them to try it on more people, and increases the risk to others...that my biggest motive to stop them. But every situation is different. While it's easy to say you could easily "put them down" while their guard is down...I think every situation is different. If I had a gun and felt my chances were good enough, I might. But realistically I wont be in that situation because I dont feel the threat is large enough to warrant me carrying on my rides at this point. If I were in a different community, maybe things would be different. I dont have enough motivation/opportunity to be a vigilante where I live. I also feel that everyone has the ability to redeem themselves if filtered through the right channels. I might be more inclined to somehow trace them and get them into the system for treatment and mental recovery. It takes a lot of evil for me to want to end a life. People often fall into dark places from things out of their control, and taking a life would be an extreme reaction for me.
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 @takeiteasyridehard: I'm not suggesting they be killed unless there was a threat to life, restrained/incapacitated until law enforcement are on scene. I guess targets are more likely to be lone riders so perhaps special training in order to gain control of a situation involving more than one attacker may well be a requirement. Remembering I live in a country where there is comparatively a miniscule amount of gun crime, it's easy to sit here behind the screen and apply logic whilst the reality is far different.
From my perspective it is about stopping an unacceptable pattern of behaviour, there can't simply be no fear of repercussion or even reprisal which there becomes when no-one does anything, the frequency of muggings increases and nobody feels safe.
In my opinion that is when, often ill-thought-out, vigilante justice becomes an issue as frustration and fear build within the local riding community to the point that traps are laid, perpetrators are hunted by wannabe hero's and when that occurs it is unlikely to be a happy ending for any party involved.

It is however an interesting topic for discussion. Take it easy and happy riding....didn't even mean that, sorry.
  • 1 0
 @Ieazo: isn't there a bike company in Europe that has the ability to track their bikes if stolen. And they guarantee they will get your bike back.

Why not just let a few bugged bikes get stolen. Police then track them right to the bike.
  • 2 0
 @fabwizard: of course sting operations could take a few perps out, and even recover some stolen property.

But remember, de-fund police?
  • 1 0
 @gerhards: I mean that's actual police work though...killing unarmed civilians shouldn't even be a side hobby. No one is arguing that police are unnecessary but maybe they don't need a giant budget for recycled military tech and impunity from doing whatever the hell they want to do. People are afraid to call 911 in fear of getting shot / killed and that is a serious problem with how the police operates.
  • 156 32
 Just make it a gun and knife free zone, that law would be super easy to pass in Berkeley. Criminals would have to go rob these people somewhere else.
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 They didn't first realize it was a woman. If it was a catholic, white male they'd whack him and students of social studies at Berkeley would clap to it.
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 Welcome to Kalifonia
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 @meathooker: Move to Texas! New town for the party...
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 @justwaki: I live in idaho and were being infested by California now. There are days I drive to work and i am literally surrounded by California plates.

My insurance guy said rates are up BC crime has already increased. The local bike parks and trails are getting super crowded as well.
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flag justwaki (Apr 19, 2021 at 6:02) (Below Threshold)
 @meathooker: and then out of nowhere you meet Jordi throwing X2 hand grenades at hikers.
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 @meathooker: Gotta love the interstate generalization and intolerance.
  • 10 1
 @justwaki: guess whos back.
  • 16 3
 @meathooker: they are just there to get their meth from the source.
  • 28 12
 @mi-bike: from the outside looking in, California looks like they've lost the plot in so many ways. That's what one-party control does.
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 @meathooker: Killafornia?
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flag mi-bike (Apr 19, 2021 at 6:36) (Below Threshold)
 @TwoNGlenn: Even if that assessment were true, it seems rather questionable to refer to the increasing presence of Californian plated cars as an *infestation*.
  • 31 3
 @mi-bike: No need to sugar coat it. Call it what it is. California is one of the most beautiful states in the union. Why would people leave in droves?
  • 29 5
 @mi-bike: when the place you live goes from quiet and little traffic to noisy, heavy traffic, rentals being difficult to find and home costs escalating like crazy, and often these people try and dictate how locals should live...yeah, you can call it an "infestation". I'm going through it too from people moving from up north in the past 6 months.
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 Lol...cause no guns exist in gun free zones...lolol
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 @DhDWills: whooosh
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 @meathooker: plenty of us Californians hate liberalism and whats going on here. Maybe lay off the generalizations, you may find yourself living in another state. Also are the native Idahoans mad that their property values are skyrocketing? Or only the renters... Maybe lay some blame on your own who sell out for money. Watch your town councils and elected leaders carefully!
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 @meathooker: Hey! Me too! Every time that I stop at the Broadway Albertsons, a good 30% of the plates are Californian.
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 @mi-bike: oh, I didn't sleep great last to end the ski season!
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 @Bushmaster123: yes, many native Idahoans are negatively impacted by the drastic and unsustainable grown in property values. Those on fixed incomes have seen property taxes double (or more) in the last decade due to the increase. Kids who grew up here will never own a home as wages have not kept pace with the rise in the price of an average home.

And yes, the issues above are disproportionately driven by former residents of a particular west coast state.
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 @Bushmaster123: Yes, I don't care about my property values to be honest. At least not to the extent that you think I would. I care much more than none of my friends can buy houses, the trails are super crowded, people are ruder, etc. And no, not everyone in Idaho "hates liberalism." Maybe lay off the generalizations. Boise is plenty liberal.
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 @HB208: Value Adjustment = Tax Adjustment, some people care. And yes, most people hate the current state of liberalism.
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 @TrailBaws: Value adjustment from a shit ton of Californians means my property taxes have doubled in three years. I care more about an affordable place to live than whether my individual house has gone up. Property values only matter to the extent that you want to move out of the area, which I don't want to do.

"And yes, most people hate the current state of liberalism." Lol, ok, is that why the GOP just lost the presidency and the Senate?
  • 21 2
 @TrailBaws: Lots of conservative Californians move to Idaho and demand that long time Idahoans like me and my wife believe in "conservative values." Which is funny, because they also preach that people shouldn't take their politics with them when they move states.
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flag TrailBaws (Apr 19, 2021 at 7:56) (Below Threshold)
 @HB208: I am talking about we the people, not about your heroic politicians.
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 @TrailBaws: Ok, but Biden beat Trump in the popular vote by 7M votes. Hell, even Clinton beat Trump in the popular vote.
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 @RonSauce: Trevor Phillips industries?
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 @HB208: Talking about politics is so annoying. Honestly... both parties are shot out. If you have a team, you've already lost.

Happy riding.
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 @TrailBaws: I'm not lol. I am just sick of all of these Californians moving to Idaho and then immediately telling me what my politics need to be when I have lived here since I was 10 and my wife was born here. I vote mixed party typically.
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 @HB208: That possibly had a orange tinted driver.
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 @gerhards: Every state that has something to offer has outpriced many of its own longtime residents. If you think your state is unique, try again.
  • 4 1
 @Bushmaster123: Boise has had the largest change in housing prices during COVID in the nation, so yeah, it is at least a bit unique.
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 @HB208: Its a free country. Anyone can move to any state they want. Don't like it ? Tough..
  • 5 1
 @Bushmaster123: Lol, ok. You aren't wrong, but that's also not what you said.

"If you think your state is unique, try again." So yes, Idaho is a bit unique ATM.
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 @Bushmaster123: Nothing wrong with being from California, it's a beautiful state with many, many amazing people. My family moved to Utah from there! My concern here in southern Utah is that the values that made California unlivable at present are going to arise elsewhere, it sounds like you share that perspective. It's not a political thing for me, it's simply that leftist ideology destroys what it touches and why we don't throw it out the same we do fascism is either insane or evil. Perhaps both.
  • 5 2
 @wasea04: My personal experience in Idaho has been that all of the most conservative Californians are moving here. Honestly, the Q Anon, anti-vax conservatives. Also a lot of outdoorsy people, but our politics have been progressively getting crazier over time. The influx of people has certainly not turned Idaho blue by any means.
  • 23 5
 @TrailBaws: Its such an intellectually lazy take to say "both sides BAD." Why dont you ask a bit more deeply about what exactly is bad about the two parties. Yes, both sides are deeply entwined in the lobby industry, in "dark money" PACs, and the revolving door of DC politics.

On one side you have a group that fundamentally believes that wealth redistribution via taxation is a viable way to increase the equality of life experience in this country. There are economic arguments for and against this, but it is a strategy that has been successful in other places, and unsuccessfully used elsewhere. None as far as I know are in favor of a public takeover of any industries. They also believe that government investment in new technologies for energy production is good. Again, there is a mixed history here, with some investments working well (solar subsidies, EV subsidies), and others working less well. They appear outwardly to trust research and experts. They are attempting to protect voting rights, although this does happen to be politically expedient at the moment.

On the other side you have a group that fundamentally believes that less regulation and taxation is better for everyone. Although historically less regulation has meant that those with the least power bear the brunt of the economic/environmental/health impacts. There are basically infinite examples of this in every state. There is no real evidence as far as I know that extremely low tax rates on the wealthy and corporations actually stimulates the economy or "trickles down." This group has also been very comfortable misrepresenting or ignoring experts and contradicting scientists for decades. They are the ones that pushed hardest to allow MORE lobbying money.

Again, its a pretty lazy endeavor to just hold up these two groups and say "these are the same."
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 @TwoNGlenn: It's not because of public policy or crime, it's price. Half of the home owners in California are realzing they can cashout to another state and accelerate their retirement date/age by 5 years or more. The other half of the exodus is people realizing they'll never be able to afford a place.
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 @gerhards: It’s completely true. Everyone has a right to a better life, but at the end of the day. Mass migrations of primarily middle to upper class privileged white people to different areas make people’s eyes go green.

If you see a 35 years old rider with a tricked out sprinter van, a carbon fiber E bike with a wammy bar. With a condo on the puget sound. But they be working at Starbucks part time. There mom was prolly on 90210, or there dad bought a house in Orange County in 65. See the signs, tell a friend.
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 @justwaki: yo waki ya burner is breaking character or rather slipping back into character
  • 4 8
flag TrailBaws (Apr 19, 2021 at 14:08) (Below Threshold)
 @protwurst: I can do and say whatever I want if I am not associated with either party, right? Want to go for a ride Gandalf?

It's clear that you understand the fundamentals (which is cute) but it goes MUCH deeper.
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 @protwurst: Maybe I come off lazy because I don't want to spend 25 minutes typing a Politics 101 message to a group of mountain bikers that DGAF ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ .
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 @Bushmaster123: why would anyone be happy about that? all if does is raise taxes. my house payment has increased a decent amount strictly due to that. additionally my wife had to push to get out kids back (took them out for the year to home school due to covid) into our local elementary school for the upcoming year because the population around us has grown so much there was not a lot of room for the "locals" in our own schools.

ive lived in the same town my entire life (40 years) of those ive lived and worked at the same places for around 15 years. my commute has gone up 300-400% in the last 3-4 years.

you cannot go camping anymore without reserving a spot, the parking lots in the mountains are full (mtb, snowmobile, etc) and there are a lot of out of state plates.

some of the locals are not selling to out of towners but most people are weak and short sighted. one of the recent officials running for office suggested a higher tax for people moving into the state but the problem is such a large % of the people in the area are not locals.

when i was 19 i bought a house working in a warehouse. now you have to make 80-100k if you want to buy a house in town.

i would love to move somewhere else with less people them id be the a$$hole making their town crowded.
  • 5 1
 @Bushmaster123: look the growth rates in idaho. it may not be unprecedented but it is not normal growth.

Our valley isnt THAT big and we averaged over 1,000 per week moving in last year. there are so many people moving here they will give you a uhaul if you're going from ID to CA.

the average home price is around 450k now. i bought my first home for 100k in 2001ish. my kids will not be able to buy homes in the town they grew up in.

i would say our area is somewhat unique in the total numbers and rate of growth.
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 @HB208: the large amount of outdoorsy people sucks.

it seems like every turnout in the mtns is full now. i have friends with a cabin in valley county who love to hotspring. there said the springs (not gold fork) are so crowded they dont even go out anymore. and dont even try to hit up goldfork on the weekends. i took my kids years ago and wouldn't even waste the time now.

ive seen californians take handicap parking spots multiple times - i dont recall seeing there here before.

the neighborhood i rented in while building my house a few years ago had a large amount of out of towners some of the kids got busted dealing drugs in the neighborhood park. not that it didn't happen before but it is distinctly different that it was a few years ago.
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 @meathooker: so you can sympathize with why people are moving from CA to ID (and OR, WA, AZ) then. The kids that grew up in CA can't afford to live here any more either.
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 Ah yes Big brain time
  • 6 3
 @TrailBaws: maybe you come off as lazy because (as presented) your logic only seems to go as far as "both parties are icky to me so I think you all are idiots for picking a side."
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 @protwurst: I'm seriously bored. And you're falling into my trap.
  • 6 1
 @TrailBaws: yessssss, we've reached the "I'M NOT OWNED ACTUALLY YOUR OWNED" portion of the interaction.
  • 2 3
 @protwurst: Thanks for making my visit to PB today insufferable. You two can pack up your wack political bickering and take it to your DMs. Thanks.
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 @bvd453: I sympathize but I’m at selfish and don’t want that to happen where I live.

  • 5 0
 @mikealive: he actually already DMd me, and THEN went back to replying to me in the thread. I got a nice twofer today.
  • 3 0
 @protwurst: Haha, ok.. I feel bad for you now.
  • 2 0
 I mean, I think this is satire but some people actually believe that would work. Don’t worry though, Gav Newsome will fix this bike theft issue.
  • 2 2
 @gerhards: if growth in property value hurts long time residents then maybe Idaho should have an equivalent to California's Prop 13.
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flag rwitte (Apr 19, 2021 at 19:13) (Below Threshold)
 @HB208: Millions of blank absentee ballots showing up suddenly after midnight in key states may have something to do with that! It's all quite obvious...nothing really complicated about it. Left doing at a national level what they've been doing in most of the major cities for decades on end. And you think covid appearing when it did was just a coincidence?! From eating bats, right?! Lol!
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 @rwitte: Take the tinfoil hat off man.
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 @PullMyBrakeLever: Proselytizing how Idaho should run itself certainly isn't helping anti- out-of-state sentiments amongst Idahoans.

Similar legislation limiting growth of property taxes isn't a new idea here. But it is a catch 22, with residential real estate one of the fastest growing sectors of economy specifically due to the flood of new residents.

Compounding the problem, the state has fewer taxable resources (compared to other states), property are the easiest opportunities for the state to scrape funds. There isn't a boom in resource extraction, or tech, or even just wage growth across the board (see above) to offset the additional funds needed to support the growth.

Many new residents are retirees as well, so while they may arrive paying cash on homes - another part of the problem affecting young local prospective homebuyers - they aren't resource for income tax proportional to their spending power.
  • 2 1
 @Bushmaster123: Liberals may indeed suck, but the alternative Ted Q. Nugent team is abhorrent.
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 @HB208: They have 6 months to get them switched, right? That would be the very foirsat thing I'll do when I move to your state. I'll have the paperwork done and plates on before I even get there!
  • 2 0
 @suspended-flesh: Nugent team is pretty milquetoast compared to the Trumper Q Anon part of the GOP.
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 @suspended-flesh: I think you have a bit, yes. If I had Cali plates, I'd be getting them changed the first week I moved there. People seem to care less about Oregon and Washington plates.
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 @HB208: I rented a big ass Expedition XL for a family road trip tp Bend Oregon last June and it had Georgia plates. A few different gas station attendants ( you can't pump your own gas in OR) whispered to me that they were going to round up all tourists with CA plates and kick em out! (due to us 'bringing the Covid') LOL hell yeah! I said! Never been happier with GA plates. That turned out to be a Q rumor, but they did ask nicely that CA tourists refrain from visiting....
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 @HB208: Props for 'Milquetoast' - an underrated word I enjoy myself from time to time.
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 @suspended-flesh: Boise hasn't had any vandalism of people's property due to being from Cali. I know it has happened in PDX.

This happened though. I thought it was funny. My wife and I saw it when we were going skiing.

I personally think MTBers moving from Cali are fine. Like I said, I just don't like the super conservative people who just assume everyone in Boise is a stanch GOPer and then freak out at you if you aren't.
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 @HB208: Yep and CA gets a bad rap for being milquetoast liberals. I far to the left of those a*sholes.

In that graff article this link is embedded. Stereotypes abound everywhere: RELATED: Anne Frank Human Rights Memorial in Boise vandalized with swastika stickers
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 @suspended-flesh: Yes, that happened a few months ago. It was definitely a bummer. The community rallied around the memorial and enough funds were donated to install security cameras (which I honestly don't know why it didn't have before).
  • 75 0
 That's how bike gangs start...
STEP 1: Local bike theft on the rise
STEP 2: Armed groups of cyclists rolling together for protection.
STEP 3: Riders go from pedal bikes to ebikes to motocycles
STEP 4: The gang takes over local drug market
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 I’ve seen it 100 times
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 "VW or Volvo"
"VW or Toyota"

Is VW the Session of the car world?
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 Thats location dependant but in some parts of the world, absolutely yes!
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 different vehicle culture. I (as a brit) don't know how anyone could mistake those brands, but show me a line up of US spec pickups and SUVs with the grilles and badges hidden and I wouldn't know the difference.
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 Not surprising. Trek and VW used to be buddies.
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 The session of the meth community no doubt
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 I drive a Balfa then.
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 @suspended-flesh: Haha, checks out with that 4runner if that's what you meant. Looks a bit old school, still rips off-road.
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 "Cyclists are urged to carry personal belongings in pockets rather than in frame bags and ride a less expensive bike if they have one. Police advise cyclists not to ride alone and instead ride with a large group or at least with one other person."

What a sad world.
  • 20 3
 Third world problems. Riding alone down here are like this every fecking time. There some cyclists i know that have a "thief's bike" to train. Cheaper, just basic parts road bikes.
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 It that it doesn’t make the world any less sad, but I would think I’d rather hear the following from authorities: “Police are aware of the growing problem and will be increasing their presence in the area, patrolling in marked and unmarked vehicles.”
  • 3 0
 Dude Berkeley is getting crazy. Last time me and my buddy went we were shocked to see what the city is like. Certain crimes are very much ignored by the police. I like Berkeley but we were both kinda disgusted honestly.
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 Also in the Bay Area we have police on motorcycles busting mountain bikers for riding “illegal” singletrack .....
Good use of resources right?
What the hell
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 just popping in to offer a reminder to anyone who'll need it:

if you are the victim of an armed bike jacking, the cops will not, under any circumstances, do anything to help you.
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 Berkeley probably isn't even prosecuting if the bike is worth less than $9,999. Kinda like what Cali is doing with shoplifters in the state now.
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 Actually, large chain stores wait and let you shoplift multiple times. Then, when the value of what has been cumulatively stolen exceeds the threshold for a felony, they call the cops and press charges. Or, if it is a minor, they wait until they are 18 to pursue charges.
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 @DhDWills: @DhDWills: Ive been in a San Francisco store that was robbed twice while I was in there. They kept almost no food on the shelves to avoid thieves stealing things. Its crazy.
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 @DhDWills: love that
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 @noplacelikeloam: dude last time I was in Berkeley we were waiting outside a whole foods and heard a bunch of screaming. This lady was just walking out with bottles of wine and the employees were basically begging her to please just pay for it or put it back. This lady is going ballistic screaming at them and then starts yelling how they're all racists lol. She just walks off. I felt bad for the employees and asked if they'd want me to call the cops maybe, they told me nothing would happen and this is kinda typical. Really weird shit going on there.
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 I am going to start riding a tandem. The back rider can ride shotgun and be the look out. Start a new line of bikes, Bezerkeley Mad Max series.
  • 10 2
 Glad you brought up Mad Max. Just announced another sellout movie in the making, a new series instalment to be made in New South Wales. The Australian "star" of the proposed venture said heaps of his American privileged liberal elite movie starts wanted to work in Australia, having now destroyed the US.

DONT LET THEM IN, we don't need the US failed culture and their failed left socialist philosophy focused on "ism" and woke "equality" in Australia.
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 You know what California needs? More democrats, less police and more social workers. After what they did to the state they have no right to complain
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 "Hello, bike thief. Do you want to talk about how society has oppressed you to the point where you are justified in stealing $6k bikes with a gun?"
  • 11 1
 I'm not American but I go there a lot and have been going there a lot since I was like 5, so maybe I don't get the full picture, and I don't want to offend anyone so please keep an open mind. From what I've gathered from movies and comments I hear when I'm in the states, sounds like Berkley is somewhat dangerous? if that's the case should police not have more people patrol that part o California? specially when the cellphone reception is bad at that place. So it seems to me, from the outside looking in like defunding the police is not the solution to current state of things in America, because no matter where you are, when there's less police around, people will start taking advantage of this. There's gotta be a solution to racial profiling without defunding the police.
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 I guess Berkeley can be dangerous, but where these people are getting jacked is absolutely beautiful, with million-dollar homes nearby. It’s not like these people are riding through the slums of Detroit.

As for some of your other questions — yes, it seems to me there should be increased police activity in these areas. And yes, there can be a solution to racial profiling besides “defund the police.” But see, people here in the States have abandoned common sense and rationality here of late, especially in California. It is absolutely one of the most beautiful places in the country — the whole state — but it is being turned into a third world country. Homeless encampments everywhere. People jacking people for bikes. No middle class, because they can’t afford to live there. Just the rich and the really, really poor. And the smiling buffoon running the state doesn’t have a clue. It’s such a shame.
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 The slogan "Defund the Police" is a very poor choice of words for what a lot of the people using it really mean. Most people don't want total abolition of the police; they just want to see a police force that isn't using military hardware, violently suppressing peaceful protests, and escalating confrontations with people in mental health crises. Yes, we should fund the police less (take away the money they're using for things they shouldn't be having/doing) and use their remaining budget where it is really needed (stopping violent criminals).
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 @barp: Coz their is nothing like taking a knife to gun fight. Who would be a cop in US, blamed if they hurt bad people, blames if they dont help protect property and people and all the while told need to stop incarcerating minorities.

Generally, if you aint doing crime, you aint in the justice system and community " racism" will decrease.
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 It's not necessarily dangerous if you're with friends and not generally super vulnerable. The problem is the police won't do shit because they've basically been told to stand down depending on the identity of the person committing the crime. And the cops aren't necessarily happy about this either but that's what they're told to do. And CA is huge. It's very different in the liberal cities vs conservative suburbs. Things are pretty normal where I'm at, then you go into the city and all of a sudden it's cool if you want to riot and loot stores. It's very strange overall and good for no one. But most of our politicians suck and they're simply doing what they think will keep them in power. We've got some of the oldest longest serving politicians here in CA, yet they like to act as though they're leading the change haha.

Last time I was in Berkeley was incredibly odd to say the least. Like on the busiest street in the city, we walked past homeless dudes smoking crack in the middle of all the people walking by midday. Cops nearby totally ignoring it while it smells like burnt plastic. Not to say they belong in jail or something, but for f*cks sake can't you go 100ft away from all the families and try to be even slightly discreet?
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 @barp: How are they supposed to stop violent criminals without any hardware?
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 @mtbikeaddict: I didn't say they should be bare-handed, just that they shouldn't be using *military hardware*. As in, MRAPs, submachine guns, and so on.
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 @TheR: yeah, maybe it's a more complex issue than we think. The pandemic and the incredibly draconian measures taken in california regarding that matter with all the loss of jobs plus the issues with the police might be a big motivator for people to commit crime, it sounds super simplistic but people gotta eat. It would be interesting to compare crime statistics in california vs other states where the lockdowns have been more laid back and people have kept their businesses open and thus able to keep and pay their employees and also look at infections, seems to me there would be at least some correlation between those. I know my family in FL has been living like the virus doesn't exist for quite some time now, they just go everywhere with their masks and try to keep distance from people, plus most are already vaccinated. It's also weird the things I read and/or hear about the homeless in California specially in LA and SF and how permissive those cities are. When I was in NYC in 2019 it seemed like there was hardly any homeless people vs when I went to NYC when I was a kid in like 98/99 were homeless people seemed to be everywhere.
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 @VZLNMTB: This is where California has been headed for a while. Maybe the pandemic and a couple other factors sped things along a little bit, but this is where it was going. It was inevitable.
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 Californians need to wake up. You all live in the most beautiful state in the Union, and it’s being turned into a third world country. Huge chasm between the rich and the poor, and a shrinking middle class in between. You have rampant illegal immigration, the homeless camps in major cities are out of control and increasing lawlessness such as this. In the meantime, your smiling buffoon of a governor has no clue and no plan.

There will come a day you will look back and think, “damn, we had it all, and we let it slip away.”
  • 7 1
 Trust me dude. Many of us here in CA know exactly what's happening and we're tired of the bs. Not to say one side of the political side of the aisle is inherently better than the other, but there are more conservatives in CA than any other state. But the state is essentially under one party rule. We need both sides so one can push back against the other when necessary but that doesn't happen here. It's sad and we've been aware for awhile what's being destroyed. I love this state and I don't want it going to shit.
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 @DylanH93: That’s good to know. And you make a good point — one party rule going unchecked is the issue.
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 @TheR: I just wonder when things might turn around. Wouldn't be surprised if it gets worse before it gets better.
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 Sounds like some yanks have been studying SA mugging techniques...
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 I heard one story from back home they also took the dudes clothes.
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 Shows how different the world is in different places. Stay safe American riding brothers. Worst we get here is the kids leaving a sweet wrapper at the bottom of the trail!
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 Not exactly. People being relieved of their bikes by thieves armed with knives at the local woods is becoming more common here in the south.
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 @Spangoolies: No more ship wrecks?
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 @Spangoolies: its really sad, I heard a few years ago of people waiting for cars with bikes on to be stopped at traffic lights and robbed at knife point.

I am not down south luckily but up in bonnie Northern Scotland.
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 Had two mates lose their bikes at knifepoint. Manchester and Glasgow. Desperation is everywhere.
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 To the commenters pushing that Billy Badass fantasy that an "armed society is a polite society": think about how many stupid moves you see drivers pull on the road every week. Now, imagine all of those people have a gun and are just as proficient using a gun as they are at driving a car. There are very few situations where a non-professional with a gun makes anyone safer. Hell, most police in the U.S. don't have enough firearms training.
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 That's William Foulbottom to you.
  • 13 3
 Guess the local Apple store had already been looted
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 Thats just another day in South Africa .... been a daily occurrence for the couple of years now.
  • 9 2
 in a Spur of the moment incident the rider was transitioned away from his bike
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 I wonder how anti-gun Berkeley residents will be going into the dystopia.
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 I can't imagine how adding more guns to the situation will solve anything. Just want to go for a ride in the hills. It's pretty serene up there outside of this situation.
  • 23 3
 Pulling a gun out when someone else already has a gun is a great way to turn a bike theft into a “someone’s gonna die” situation. No thanks. They can take the bike.
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 @rickybobby18: and that's why you need to shoot first, no warning.
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flag DutchmanPhotos (Apr 19, 2021 at 8:52) (Below Threshold)

In a situation like that, you have to fight the attacker's violence with even more overwhelming violence, wether you have a gun yourself or not, I don't care. You just go so ballistic on Mr. Thieve that he doesn't even know anymore what the hell is going on.
Okay, you have to be the right guy to do this and to take the risk. I just happen to be that kind of guy because in a moment like that my brain stops working. No one's taking of with my 7K trailbike.-
Nine out of ten times they probably don't even know how to operate the gun they carry anyways. Maybe it's not even loaded. In a moment like that I wouldn't even think about all that shit. Just get the guy to the ground and get him good. If there's two of 'em things might or could get different. Depends on if one is waiting in the get away car.
You could also get away yourself, on your bike! I've been on Grizzly Peak plenty times, and it goes well downhill. Small chance they will turn the car around and follow you down again... Again, no one is going anywhere with my 7K trailbike.
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 @iiman: Great strategy! Just start popping off rounds in public at the slightest whiff of danger. When has that ever gone wrong?
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 @bikeybikeybikebike: slightless whiff of danger? is not someone looking at you funny in a bar, dude, is someone pointing a knife/gun at you.
I was talking lightly to trigger (no pun intended) some reactions, but man, if someone tries to rob me and the field is somewhat level, the hell I'm gonna stand my ground. And you should too
  • 9 2
 Dang. I want a Transition Spur bad. But not THAT bad.
  • 4 0
 Seems like making the threshold for prosecuting armed robbery/grand theft charges higher has almost incentivized more robbery or something.
  • 6 1
 Criminals know where the easy pickings are... but a few dead criminals later and you won't see these stories again.
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 Well if ya need a gun to go riding, i reckon ya need one to go to the grocery store. Or sit on your porch, or walk through your neighborhood. Sadly someone always has bigger ordinance, even in a man to man fist fight. May have to get robbed once or twice, but not lookin to get killed or kill for it. If they get you, it was your time. Fantasizing you could win comes from watching too many kung fu movies. Not gonna hang out in the basement polishing my shotgun thinkin it will save me when the chips are down. Id give up the bike not to live with killing somebody. Even if i had a gun, i aint shootin anybody, especially they tryin to run away with their back to me with my bike.

A world of difference gettin robbed vs protecting your life or family.

Kill a person over a $xxxx bike? No. That aint cool.
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 I live here in the area they are talking about and went biking on Grizzly Peak yesterday with my Santa Cruz Hightower 2020. It was weird and stressful, but I saw other people too. I tried to stick with other people, but it is no man's land up there between counties. That particular area, as they mentioned, is not really policed that well.

It was probably always a target. The local politics are very activist and progressive driven, so unlike other parts of the country, there is a pretty high bar for what will get you sent to jail.

Recently, in Oakland, the defunding police movement is getting push back (from both black people, white people, asian groups, etc) because of some crime-related issues mostly in the flat-lands in East Oakland and Downtown. This resulted in 25M more funding to police for sideshow activity. Property crime is still something that the police have an issue enforcing, but it is a combination of funding and also that judges are unlikely to do much. They did have a relatively successful program where they had 1:1 meetings with people likely to commit crimes (social workers, religious leaders, etc), but COVID stopped that program due to the in-person nature.

Hopefully things will get better once the pandemic is better under control. Until then, I'll probably keep riding up there and stick to times when other people are around. With pepper spray of course.
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 "I don't even carry my phone anymore"... Not sure that'll keep you safe. Getting rid of your lifeline and a way to track the thieves (Find my iphone, --android equivalent--) doesn't seem like a good deal.
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 ON another note... do GPS trackers work inside carbon frames? That would be a game changer
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 @justwaki: There are not any issues with that. I think there are companies that make GPS trackers for shoving underneath the seat post. You can also do a bluetooth Tile tracker which is cheaper but limited in range depending on the model and probably tougher to hide on road bikes; the Tile tracker only works near other people with the app so you're better off with those in more populated areas. Get creative and you should be able to hide their smaller models
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 @Rokcore: I just thought that Swat box is a neat place to have a tracker in. Not right at the view, just sneak it into the tube by reaching in through the opening. Vast majority of bike thieves are dumb - they will never check and filtering out 99.9% of thieves is the goal here. In my Antidote it would be just above the bottom bracket. I could slip in something through the opening in the bottom of the frame. Easy to remove and replace the battery.

Saddle is not optimal in my view. Too easy to just remove and it's hard to hide anything in there. You filter out no more than 50% of thieves this way.
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 @justwaki: They also make black Tile trackers. It would be really hard to see if you somehow secured it to the bottom of the downtube in the SWAT box.
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 @justwaki: yup, you're only limited by your creativity, on one of my previous bikes was able to hide one under the chain slap protector. I think you could hide one of the tile stickers in a steerer tube if you're willing to super glue it. Haven't tried it myself since there are easier places
  • 5 0
 Rider- Describes bike in full detail.

Cop- So its a Session?
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 Well, that's one way of getting your hands on a new bike in this market. Crazy times!
  • 2 0
 @ :32 when they showed the rider with the caption "Cyclists Targeted," I thought we were going to see some live footage. I was like, "Dang, that slow dude doesn't stand a chance!"
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 California being California
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 I believe the thieves may have a drug problem and probably mental health problems too so if you see them call a counselor.
  • 4 0
 Why, they still have ineffective police?
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 Carry concealed. Let them take the bike. When they turn to leave with the bike draw out state they are under arrest. When they turn around to face you while still carrying their weapons you open fire.
  • 16 8
 Yes because engaging in a shootout to save your shitty bike is so worth it.
  • 16 7
 Cali doesn't really let people conceal carry. There are laws on the books, but it is VERY hard to do so. Here in Idaho, you don't even need a license. You can just conceal. I think it stops these sort of things since everyone assumes people are armed.
  • 2 0
 Just to clarify, I am not arguing that people should or should not be able to conceal carry. Just pointing out that it is indeed very hard to do so in California.
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 @PhatBrett: Yeah just keep letting violent criminals threaten, murder, and steal.

You don't have to be a coward.
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 @wburnes: So says the person that thinks it is necessary to carry a gun wherever they go since they think there are always vulnerable to mugging. Wow my dude, these are isolated incidents. You can crawl out from underneath your bed.
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 @PhatBrett: >So says the person that thinks it is necessary to carry a gun wherever they go

You can read my mind?

>since they think there are always vulnerable to mugging.

Under what circumstances are you not vulnerable to mugging?

>Wow my dude, these are isolated incidents.

It's called a pattern.

>You can crawl out from underneath your bed.

With my gun in hand
  • 3 0
 never bring a bike to a gun fight
  • 7 5
 What a sad situation that we are in. We need to support our local law enforcement so this type of stuff stops happening.
  • 4 2
 True, and the open.border(federal policy) crisis is gna making it very bad.
  • 2 0
 But you know you can't muuh defund police group will post on twitter or create some hashtag
  • 1 0
 man, i only read part of the headline and thought this article was talking about somewhere in south America or something for a second... the USA is getting wild.
  • 1 0
 There's a stretch of road near me where ebike riders or often ambushed . Real shame some people sink to such slimy enterprises
  • 1 0
 Used to ride this road on the regular. Sad state of affairs in Berkeley. Do ride in groups folks.
  • 4 2
 That's what happens in America when cyclists don't pull over in uphill...
  • 2 0
 Anyone know the whereabouts of that stabby hiker from a few weeks back?
  • 2 0
 Gives my SWAT box a whole new meaning
  • 7 5
 Just carry a gun while riding. That could solve the problem really quick.
  • 3 2
 Of course this raises the possibility of a gun fight so u better be quick about it. Very tuff to train for this scenario unless had open carry chest/leg. Very tough.
  • 2 0
 Hidden GPS chips maybe??
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 Ca is so busy releasing criminals from jail because our incarceration rates are way too high according to liberal criminal sympathizers. Crime continues to go up. But it's Covid's fault, income inequality, white privilege, George Washington's fault, blah blah blah according to Democrats.
  • 24 23
 Living in that alternate reality of yours must be a wild ride.
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flag Rokcore (Apr 19, 2021 at 7:35) (Below Threshold)
 @PhatBrett: Shhhh he hasn't heard about cops carrying replica toy guns in their cars "just in case". Just don't screw up the surprise Simon says game where there's 2 Simons and no right answers
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 @PhatBrett: Bushmaster is correct. What reality are you living in?
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flag Bushmaster123 (Apr 19, 2021 at 9:13) (Below Threshold)
 @PhatBrett: ok libtard...
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 @PhatBrett: Your southern border is a prime example of the reality of the world. As soon as you have a sympathetic leadership structure crime will exploit it. Has the situation got worse on public statements made by the new incumbent, and how many are now suffering as a result?

Your country after f*cking with the SAmerican world for 2 centuries has now become responsible for cronyism and the corruption of an entire Continent.

Thats not alternate, that's fact (Phat)Jack.
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 @FoesKnows: As soon as you have a sympathetic leadership structure crime will exploit it.

You mean like white supremacists?
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 @Bryce511: He has zero evidence that this incident was the result of "liberal criminal sympathizers" letting potential thieves out of jail. Come on.
  • 3 3
 @FoesKnows: You obviously have no idea how the border has worked over the past 50 years. Most criminals that enter the U.S. do so legally. What evidence do you have that since Biden has been president those that crossed the border have increased crime in the U.S.? How does that even relate to this article? Yikes
  • 2 1
 I ride with a strap in the bay area!
  • 22 1
 Dude, you misspelled "strap on".
  • 1 1
 @chakaping: lmao ayy good one
  • 2 1
 People are desperate for a NEW TRANSITION!
  • 1 1
 I wonder if these are planned robberies or if they just happen Spur of the moment
  • 1 0
 A man with a knife is just as lethal as one with a gun..
  • 1 1
 "Personal belongings in pockets". Ride with someone whom has a CCW until these thugs are caught.
  • 2 0
  • 1 0
 well then
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 This is why companies shouldnt sell bikes for over 10000 dollars...
  • 5 8
 There's a ka bar on the outside of my pack for 2 reasons.
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 Ya bro your ka-bar on your back is really gonna deter the desperate criminal with a gun
  • 3 0
 lol lol yeah! good one. wait are you serious?
  • 9 0
 Shouldn’t the Ka Bar be held between your teeth during your ride?
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