Video: Pre-Season Testing & Data Acquisition with Lewis Buchanan in Lousa

Mar 6, 2022
by Ed Spratt  

bigquotesHaving suspension telemetry as part of our testing is going to be a huge benefit. We install and check out the Motion Instruments expert DH system and start collecting data so that we can make changes. Make sure you give the video a like, comment below and subscribe if you have not already. I’m excited to release the next couple videos from getting stuck in to the data/testing. Lewis Buchanan


bigquotesPre season testing has begun and I finally feel like my bike is getting to be the best its ever been on track. In this video I make some changes from my 2021 set up and try some new things to see if my speed and confidence improves. Lewis Buchanan


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25 Comments
  • 12 2
 Those Enve rims will offer an additional bonus of around 14.5 inches of additional compression with no rebound, but just one time. Just ask Thibaut Daprela.
  • 5 0
 Collecting data is great

knowing what to do with it is the hard part!

I want to see how he changes his setup to reach optimal from analyzing the data, not just "did some laps, look at the fancy graphs"
  • 7 4
 Who is actually buying ENVE mtb rims? In the UK they are over £1000, when you can buy a Santa Cruz Reserve or a Zipp moto 3 etc for around £600 with a similar warranty. You can also buy a DT Swiss 511 or 471 for under £100 a rim. I am very fortunate and have worked very hard to have the disposable income to buy luxury custom built bikes, and I often purchase Santa Cruz, Chris King, Push Industries etc, but I will never spend a penny on ENVE mtb rims.
  • 2 2
 Good for you. You should work harder on shelving your ego!
  • 8 2
 What’s with all the testing? He gonna race two races, same as he did the last two years? Why bother?
  • 2 0
 ooh get him some cream for that
  • 6 4
 As an engineer, I would be sceptical of the rear shock potentiometer. Due to the fact it is mounted at an angle, the resulting output will not be a like for like representation of the shock stroke. As the shock cycles through its travel, the angle at which it acts will change, meaning the data will not directly correlate to actual travel at the rear wheel. This means that the graph displaying the ‘balance’ of the bike is meaningless.
  • 4 1
 Exactly what I was thinking. Getting such an expensive equipment and not bothering to try and minimize these basic flaws, makes it kind of pointless. Might as well go by feel, since the data you're analysing is not really trustworthy...
  • 1 0
 May not have explained this well but will act similar to a progressive suspension linkage, as travel increases amount potentiometer moves will change
  • 12 0
 how can you tell someone is an engineer...
  • 4 0
 I haven’t bothered to watch the video but this can be calibrated for by applying a curve to the data. We do it all the time when we can’t mount our sensors in an optimal position. It’s a pretty common situation in my side of robotics.
  • 4 0
 @Hambo24, Fellow engineer as well who has some time with a Motion Instruments setup. The location of the rear pot is flexible with these systems because Motion Instruments will create a custom curve in there app to account for mounting locations such as this one on the Range. With bike balance they are looking at the speed of the axles front and rear rather than shock shaft speeds. Just look at how they have mounted the rear pot shock sensors to other tricky frames like the current Enduro. The process to get started is then mounting the rear pot sensors to the bike on a stand and cycling it through the travel while taking screen shots, they then use this data which shows the vertical axle position relative to shock shaft travel to create a custom curve in the app. These guys know there stuff!
  • 3 0
 @birdman2447: as an engineer thanks for clearing it up, assumed they were working with much less calibration than that
  • 8 0
 As an engineer I am an engineer
  • 4 1
 As an engineer I would point out that if your argument can’t stand on its own without credentials it needs to be reworked.
  • 3 0
 As an engineer you need to have a BMX background before you talk
  • 3 0
 As an Engineer I like to drive trains.
  • 1 0
 I was a PetroleumTransfer Engineer for a few years when I worked at the local gas station while in high school.
  • 2 0
 @FUbob: LOL I actually put that on my Resume once! GOLD
  • 1 0
 It looks suspect, but the sensor won't fit on the shock. So a custom curve had to be made with the sensor mounted as they could mount it. You are correct if they just mounted it and used the bike's leverage curve as is. Some bikes are impossible to mount, V10, Specialized Enduro, Evil, any idler frame, etc. But with some elbow grease and a tape measure, you can overcome.
  • 6 7
 I recommend acoustic data acquisition to sense the first pings and cracks from the Enve rims — the sensors could then deploy a Dainese-style airbag system so that by the third or fourth ping, you’ll be protected from the catastrophic rim failure on the next impact about 0.2 seconds away.
  • 4 8
flag WRCDH (Mar 6, 2022 at 3:44) (Below Threshold)
 For reference, here’s my previous comments-section engineering analysis of Thibaut’s Snowshoe Enve rim failure videos, from September:

Those rim pings and pops from the previous rock garden (and his relative sketchiness steering through that section) were most likely the rim cracking and delaminating ply-by-ply, prior to catastrophic failure during the crash. As the plies fail, spoke tension will decrease and steering precision will likewise decrease. Composites will often fail sequentially, ply by ply, audibly (as often heard when structurally testing composite structures / components to failure) — until the structure gives up and fails completely, usually in spectacular explosive fashion. In the video from blowmyfuse, you can hear the wheel cracking through the last several plies as he hits the last few bumps before it fully implodes. In my expert opinion, based on detailed observations of about a dozen ENVE wheels, ENVE introduces structural flaws into their wheels at the spoke holes — and they do this by molding-in the spoke holes (at least this was the case in past years, and I believe they still do that molded-in process). The hole-molding dowels they use (or used) spread the uncured prepreg fibers around the dowel, creating small resin-rich regions in each ply around the dowel where the fibers spread. They should mold the rims whole like We Are One and then drill the spoke holes after. That will prevent microcracks from forming in the relatively brittle epoxy resin-rich pockets that ENVE tends to create in each ply around the spoke holes. Those microcracks can turn into larger cracks that can form large delaminations between plies, or inter-ply transverse cracks through the thickness of the laminate. Cyclical loading like that is just about the worst thing for microcracks around a resin-rich hole in a composite structure. As those epoxy-resin microcracks get larger, the compressive forces on the carbon fibers increase — and carbon fibers usually fail in compression rather than tension. When the carbon fibers fail, you’ll hear them “pop” ply by ply before a big final compressive + tensile catastrophic failure of the remaining composite plies in the structure. Anyone who knows composites well knows that holes, especially spoke holes, are generally a bad idea in composites (as such, many companies create engineering / design / materials work-arounds to seriously increase the strength of the area around spoke holes in carbon fiber rims). ENVE’s molded-in approach is particularly risky, in my opinion, particularly with how the spokes introduce cyclical loading, spread over a very small surface area, right at the spoke hole...creating a huge gradient of tensile and compressive stresses on the resin and fiber, through the thickness of the laminate, right around the spoke hole. This is a recipe for failure, especially with the crack-prone resin-rich regions in the plies on ENVE’s wheels. I’ve seen ENVEs crack and split at the spoke holes just from wheel building (right along the center line of the rim, initiating from the resin-rich flaws introduced by their spoke-hole-molding dowels). Considering this, it’s not surprising that Thibaut’s rim ultimately broke in several places, right at the spoke holes. The sort of failure we witnessed most likely indicates a structural flaw / cracking at the spoke holes, more than it indicates a flat tire rim failure from compressive impact to the outer rim edge. Also, Thibaut’s rear wheel appears to be cracked (or a decal is coming off), as seen when he is sitting after the crash...but it looks like a crack / delaminating ply, as it starts at the spoke hole and extends toward the rim edge at a 45-degree angle, consistent with their ply orientation.
  • 1 0
 @WRCDH: boy, got some sensitive flowers in here. It was a bit off topic and kind of seems like you’re grinding an axe, but I for one found the potential explanation for ENVE’s failures very informative.
  • 1 1
 Yeah enve s are shit Soo harsh sold em to some sucka and got some new bonty wheels Soo much better







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