Video: Rebound Puzzles with Loris Vergier & Jordi of Fox Suspension

Mar 13, 2019
by Steel City Media  

Rebound or compression? What should you change and when? Loris can't finish his puzzle and as always..... Jordi is there to help.

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102 Comments

  • + 182
 Jordi: Loris how many clicks of rebound do you want on the fork?
Loris: Yes.
  • + 7
 The different between Loris and us is he has Jordi to turn his rebound knob. Now lets go out and ride bike.
  • + 99
 We need Loris to explain in French to see if he's actually some kind of suspension tuning prodigy that just can't explain his own genius in his second language.
  • + 9
 Maybe the sound affects are in French, but there was definitely something lost in translation ever though it was in English but in a different way too Ratboy?
  • + 27
 5:1 odds that it makes even less sense in French!
  • + 15
 Bruni said in a vital vid that he also does beatboxing for describing what the suspension feels like and that Jack Roure is the only one who can translate that jibberish into actual changes...
  • + 4
 @conoat: maybe 50:01 Wink
  • + 1
 @TheLongMan:shhhhhh. im trying to elicite action! we all know it's really 1,000,000:1!
  • + 76
 Well there goes my imagined scenario where pro racing suspension setup is a highly technical, specific process governed by detailed data and regimented rider input.
  • + 12
 lol! The number of pros that don't know how to setup suspension or use the same setup on all tracks is insane! This is why when I hear people trying to argue using the "But so and so uses this or that and he rides world cups" I just laugh!
  • + 29
 @SintraFreeride: Pretty much the way it is. Us "normal" Joey's with custom tuned ultra high end suspension getting smoked by Pro's on rigid shopping carts. These dudes could be running their suspension pretty much totally backwards from optimal and still embarrass us by the first split.
  • + 7
 @mykel: you are right with your point, but for the most part that's also why they do this king of test and have them at world cups and some major races. Also some of their mechanics tune the bikes for them with the feedback that the rider gives.
that's probably why most of them can't do it them selves, because they don't need to.
  • + 24
 In any 2 wheeled sport the riders ability to give quality feedback can be the difference between winning and just being in the top 10.
  • + 7
 @friendlyfoe: Bingo...I was thinking along the lines of F1 drivers, or any other really high end division motor sports. The drivers who have no idea what their cars are doing and cannot communicate that to their teams don't last long. I was wondering if there was a lost in translation thing going on, but I'm not so sure. At some point Loris should have recognized he was flailing and differed to the tech. And I'm also surprised there was no telemetry being used. I thought they had that now? That would show when Loris was bottoming. True what someone else said. Most people have not idea what is happening with suspension because they are just riding the bike but not really paying attention to how the bike is riding, or trying to translate how the bike is riding into how they are riding. It's something that you have to think about and learn. Most don't. Most can barely change a pedal out let alone tune anything. I am talking about people who are otherwise decent cyclists. I'm not sure if this is only my own opinion, but I think there is this notion held by some that bicycles are toys and that they can be thrashed without care and trashed. Basically asking the bike to do too much without checking it over. Suspension bikes have this additional dimension that is beyond consideration for most riders. They stand there looking at the bike and these suspension components look static, the whole bike is static, and that is the way it exists in their mind. You get off the bike after you ride it and look at it and it is still static. The paradox is the static bike is abstract. You have to look at the bike as if it were in motion. Then you can understand what to pay attention to and how to pay attention to it.
  • + 3
 @polarflux: suspension is also not intuitive. In the videos that went up last year (vorsprung I think?) he talked about how the high/low speed circuits affect each other. They might have been fooling around a bit in the video but Imo the rider should be describing what the bike is doing, and the tech adjusting to see if it's better or worse. The rider going maybe more of this setting is not productive.
  • + 7
 @polarflux: Let's not forget, this video is just what they want to show us. I am sure heaps of stuff is happening behind the curtain
  • + 2
 @SintraFreeride: It's the same in many walks of life. There are many great drummers who don't know how to tune a drumkit.
  • + 1
 @DarrellW: For sure. Loris is a great rider. I just think he should stick to what he knows best and just describe what is happening on the bike and allow Jordi, the expert, to help him out.
  • + 1
 @SintraFreeride: nailed it. Mick Doohan had no idea how to tune suspension but he was able to give detailed feedback on what the bike would do. His pit guys were then able to change things around to suit, it does seem that it's a rare person who understands both how to ride fast and change suspension to suit themselves.
  • + 3
 @Blackers: Exactly! Not many people are Nicolas Vouilloz.
  • + 64
 This is the same conversation my ShockWiz and I kept having before I returned it. Now I just run the recommended settings per the FOX manual +|- a couple clicks and concede I don’t understand suspension enough to adjust them myself.
  • + 4
 Same thing here. Last year I went to the bikepark and ran a couple of laps with the compression of my Selva completely closed. I took it out of the box and didn‘t even realize that it was „set up“ this way. I changed the setting to fully open and wasn‘t any faster, nor did I really notice much. I‘m just too simple to notice much of a difference here. I noticed the difference in stiffness to the Pike though, but that doesn‘t have to do with setup at all.

I wish I knew what I was doing. The only setup I do is putting enough air in to not bottom out and adjust the reboud in that way, that the front wheel doesn‘t lift when compressing and letting go quickly of the fork.
  • + 1
 @niconj: I serviced my fork before an XC race last year and went and rode the course before the race with the rebound off...that didn't end well haha
  • + 1
 I've never had a problem getting my forks/shocks set up for me. I start with the recommended settings in the manual and usually end up a couple clicks faster than neutral on both knobs. I might add pressure and damping (both kinds) when I go to a park. I've owned Fox, RS and now an MRP ribbon. The MRP has something called ramp control, which again, I fiddled with it, found a setting that felt about right, and haven't really messed with it since.
  • + 56
 A video with Loris sound effects is a guaranteed procrastination to whatever I'm doing. A+ content
  • + 53
 Jordi, stay strong!
  • + 2
 Oh yes HE is!!!
  • + 47
 Minnaar has obviously had an influence on this kid.
  • + 1
 You mean the hair ?
  • + 1
 @evildos: he means being a nitpicking pain in the ass to mechanics, I think. Of course that made him GOAT. And Loris is the fastest young gun on the circuit, so...
  • + 1
 @Rubberelli: Their sponsors should be plastering Loris' and Finn's faces all over the place to get more women interested in the sport. Those guys are super marketable. And they can ride.
  • + 38
 Reminds me of when I was a live-sound monitor engineer. Artist,"Can you turn me up more?" Me, nod head yes, leave settings the same. "Great! Thanks!" Or Can you make it sound more blue?
  • + 27
 My wife is always asking me to adjust something on her bike, and after 15 minutes of wasted riding time we end up at original setting. Now I just pretend to adjust.
  • + 2
 @fabwizard: You need to use Loris' sound effects to make it seem like the tool is doing something.
  • + 1
 @rkstar - haha was thinking along the same lines since I also did stage. But since these guys were real pros I couldn't really fool around with them. But, like others have suggested in the thread, I learned to a) imagine what the musician (rider) was hearing (feeling) and b) tried to give him the *result* he was expecting whilst doing my own thing, which typically was clearing out lo-mid range crud in order to make the overall sound more legible (instead of just goosing the fader). Then there's the whole story of Hendrix' guitar tech playing mindf*ck on him, but I wouldn't suggest doing anything similar to someone riding a DH bike.....
  • + 39
 Jordi and Loris = Gold.
  • + 18
 I can't tell if Jordi wants to throttle Loris every 3.5sec. or they are absolute best mates. so yeah, gold!
  • + 16
 @conoat: definitely both
  • + 1
 @conoat: They need to have episode two - Jordi and Loris paintballing.
  • + 28
 Man! Jordi is a patient man! Loris should just explain what he is feeling on the bike and let Jordi set it up rather than trying to give suggestions...
  • - 1
 Can give enough ups to this ^^^
  • + 28
 Prototype L/R frame stabilizer spotted at 4:26
  • + 3
 put a stick in it!... hahah
  • + 1
 What is That? Asking for a friend
  • + 21
 Poor Jordi sounds like a doctor trying to talk to an anti-vax mom. Big Grin Or just a patient who read on WebMD what's wrong and is convinced they know what disease is killing them. Ha.
  • - 2
 Let me be Loris' advocate here. Jodi is pretty damn condescending to him. Lots of eye rolls at the camera. He should listen to rider feedback a bit yeah?
  • + 3
 @Rubberelli: Jordi suffers no fools. I like that about him. Also, I don't know shite about suspension set ups.
  • + 1
 @Boych12: I probably know less than Loris. But he is trying to communicate something!
  • + 21
 PATIENCE is an obvious virtue of being a mechanic.
  • + 16
 Great clip. Thanks Syndicate.
  • + 2
 Not your typical man bike video!
  • + 11
 Solid gold comedy especially if you know some basics (thanks Steve from Vorsprung for your educational seriesWink
  • + 12
 Jordi is one patient, long - suffering motherf*cker
  • + 7
 That editing tho the rewinds - lmao... and the zoom in on Shaw’s face like a deer in the headlights #sogood
  • + 4
 OOOoooooh yes Loris: you can say an even bigger THANK YOU to Jordi for his PATIENCE....
... respect to Jordi for his professionalism and .... his tremendous patience, once again.
I don`t know if Vergier needs a french-english translator to express what he feels and might `want`, but it mustn`t be a part of pleasure to work with such a kid.
That reminds me that once in my life, as a production manager for contemporary art centers, I had to take decisions for artists who didn`t know what they exactly wanted.... Here it`s a bit the same: at one point: the artist should probably study how his art works by listening carefully to what a proper technical expert says...
`Ècoute Papa` I would say in french Smile
  • + 7
 Jordi, the most under appreciated man in the bike industry? Haha
  • + 6
 "If you're going to change the entire story, then yeah he was right" lolz
  • + 2
 Is noone else going to point out the fact that maybe suspension setup is too complex? I mean if pro riders that have all day to learn about their bikes dont know... im not saying build awhole bike wheels and all and everykind of fix, but suspension setup seems pretty basic?
  • + 1
 And this is why the Grip dampers great for beginner to pro alike. They just work.
  • + 2
 Loris don’t try perfection cause they are not able to deliver,just watch your team mate face ,and yes different days different feeling,and that it’s not easy ,but keep on making the head of the Fox “Guru “spinning and make him worth is work :-))))
  • + 2
 That was amusing. It was like an R&D manager (Loris) speaking with the designer (Jordi).

Keep'em coming PB, they get me through the day.

Nothing got me through 6 hours with just purchasing and the R&D manager yesterday though!
  • + 3
 You can hear the gears turning in Loris' head when you see his eyes going back and forth as Jordi is explaining shit to him lmaoooo
And then "...so let's do this other thing"
  • + 1
 On 0:30 the fork is firm on compression AND fast on rebound... I do not understand how a PRO RIDER HAS NO IDEA how a fork works, Loris should already know what is his personal "setting", or maybe after a couple of descents he should already know what to change, how many tokens, air pressure, hard or medium spring, depending on each circuit, harder, softer, faster or slower rebound...
  • + 4
 is that because being a pro rider makes him an engineer and know control theory?
of is he just fast on a bike and someone else takes care of his settings....
  • + 3
 @betsie:
I'm not an engineer and I don't know much about control theory, but I do know how to setup my suspension. I also have another full time job, unlike him... But then again, maybe they were just messing around in this video.
  • + 1
 This is obviously his race bike and the suspension will probably be vastly different than what he uses when he's just riding for fun. There's a reason Gwin doesn't take many full practice runs before a race. His suspension would probably wear him out quick if he did.
  • + 1
 @betsie: Yeah, he should know how is setted his own fork (written in a notebook or something), another question is how many time Loris has been riding with Fox, I undertand if this is the first or second month with that fork, in those first months there is a completely work with the fork and his engineers, but when you have 5-6 months working is everything perfect... Or almost.
  • + 4
 I really like that there‘s one guy in the background who keeps saying „Bumslappen“...
  • + 1
 Must be kind of frustrating for both of them. Some english lessons oriented on technical stuff and mountain bike riding might help to give efficient feedback and understand what his mechanic is asking him. Good luck to both of them Smile
  • + 3
 I've ridden with Myles Rockwell quite a bit- and asked him once about his settings, his reply was along the lines of 'I dunno, I just go fast'
  • + 2
 Saw him ripping turns at Milliken a year or two back. Good to see he's still killing it.
  • + 1
 Sounds like a therapist is in order. I’ll do it in exchange for few fresh bikes. If that doesn’t work I’ll get a psychic for sus setup suggestions from beyond. And I’ll take her few bikes for myself as well.

Don’t worry boys this Fred and Ethel bit will be the power for this years domination!
  • + 5
 No idea why I love watching these suspension vids so much.
  • + 1
 So true. My wife just asked what i'm watching, trying to explain why I suddenly realised I've no idea why I like it so much!
  • + 3
 Bike shop I used to go to once took it upon themselves to tune my suspension for me. Without asking me a single question. It was one of the last times I went there.
  • + 4
 Geez that rebound is fast!
  • + 5
 #jordistaystrong
  • + 4
 omg Jordi has the most patience in the world
  • + 5
 Who's confused?
  • + 1
 in this day and age, i am suprise that they are not using data acquisition in Syndicate team. May be this video is all about fun
  • + 3
 Did i heard „Bumslappen“ in the background?
  • + 0
 That V10 seems difficult to set up right. Maybe it's not a good idea to get on without a suspension tech guy. Also, it sound quite loud. I am ancious for some good reviews to show up.
  • + 3
 "Your f*ck is good" -Loris Vergier
  • - 1
 Maybe it is the oil or the lack of it ,or bad made who knows who seals ,or fox has lost his tail ,or maybe is just Loris ,but my shock it’s feeling like that ,like he says in the sag point ,it just to fast and sticky like the pro pedal is on but has a lot of more kick when it returns to that satle point ,just like one day is ,what a ride ,what a bike,and the next is who the hell messed with my knobs,well maybe I’m getting crazy ,but it just what I feel right now with my shock after a rebuild ,or maybe it’s the global warming,figure it out Loris please ,and tell all of us having the same issues ,thanks and go kill it this season
  • + 3
 He's been spending too much time around Greg
  • + 3
 ..... Jordi is there to "argue".
  • + 2
 That reminds me a the conversation in my head when tuning the suspension on a new bike...utter chaos
  • + 2
 one word........elastomer.
  • + 1
 Jordi's like.... Just go ride your bike fast kid. I've got my 10 000 hours with the suspension stuff.
  • + 1
 Jordi has the patience of a saint, however, Loris is amusing with his logic.
  • + 2
 How can I be so confused and yet love this video at the same time?
  • + 2
 Lol Loris snagged a stick @ 4:25 and just keeps shredding.
  • + 2
 Looks like he needs a French mechanic
  • + 2
 I love the looks on the rest of them. They all say what?
  • + 1
 Has he got a kickstand on his bike @4:25?
  • + 1
 Just set my rebound to WFO front and rear. I should be fast now right??
  • + 2
 What a train wreck...
  • + 1
 Would love to see the conversations between Luca and horde.
  • + 1
 That's why I won't upgrade my Fox 36 performance to a GRIP2 damper!!
  • + 1
 ????
  • + 0
 He should try a shockWiz Wink
  • + 0
 His mechanic is being a smart arse. This is science, dammit!

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