What does it mean to "Ride Like a Girl"? See for yourself. Heather Munive, Jamie Freese, Ivanna Estrada and Laura Slavin are leading the charge and redefining the term at Mountain Creek Bike Park.
It's great to see so many women prove that this is a sport for all to participate in and that your gender doesn't limit how far you can take it.
One of the nice things about social media is if you watch long enough you see progress happening in almost real time. Slavin has been putting in the time and taking her lumps to look as natural and smooth as she does. These women aren't just some outliers that others can't emulate. They just do the steady effort to get out there and take the small steps to progress all while having fun!
Stoked to see you all ripping!
@ka81: how can someone say such mean things without feeling any bit of remorse or guilt. You sir got into the wrong community to spread hatred to fellow same minded people and objectify them by their gender, not their wheel size, frame material, brake, armor, or Sus-travel choice. Here we objectify objectively, gender is out of the role.
"how to be a Mountainbiker" we all know that video, if not, you'll google it now and know about it.
One of the points that its missing is that no matter the gender, no matter the age, if you get featured on Vitalmtb, Pinkbike or any of the major MTB media pages. it's for a good reason and its that you rip trails like most people can't, don't or won't. so their street cred gets a permanent rise of +10p not even then, you have a street cred value of +5p when you ride, no matter the gender, age, sexual interest or ethnicity.
We all love riding for what it gives us, so please, don't disrespect the Comunity with such sexist, narrow-minded mean fullness. We love each other, we support each other and after all, we all try to have fun while advocating nature, joy, and the word shred or rad in some way. those things are love man.
@ka81: Nah in NZ we mostly chose different names for people at birth, saves it from getting too confusing. There's probably someout out there called "man" though.
My friends always say I ride like a girl. After watching the last few videos of women ripping it up on Pinkbike, I can categorically confirm I don’t ride like a girl! Hopefully one day.
What they don't show is the exit from the cannon jump after the Redbull drop. Huge slab of rock black with skid marks as everyone tries to slow down to make the turn. A lot of bikes go off the trail still hailing ass...
Girls like this are inspiration to little 5 year olds like my daughter. She sees these videos at 5 and she wants to ride like the girls ride.
Women you have an audience. Many father's like myself want their little girls to grow up to be....you.
This video is really great for the sport. The riding here is ace, it would be nice to inspire the younger generation regardless of gender to get out there and enjoy the outdoors and biking.
I have ridden and have seen girls riding on our trial sin Peru and some of them have more skills than anybody else. One time a girl took me out on a dirt bike ride and she gave me some lessons
I still can't understand why women aren't ripping harder, whipping bigger, riding faster. I see all these 12 year old kids that are 4'10" and 90lbs ripping harder than the best women in the world...
clearly its not a strength or size thing.... so seriously tell me... why aren't women better???????????????
I want to see women ripping as hard as men, and as far as I can tell the only thing holding them back is the bar for females being so low.
Well as you've said yourself it's not about strength or skills. personally, I wouldn't even say they are slow but here my explanation to why I Downvoted your comment, first things first, I can back up that Woman are not worse than men at riding bikes by names and numbers, please lets not get into this part so much, I have a life, so I don't want to get too involved in this: however I do want to lecture you a tiny bit about common sexism and the effects of it in Mountainbiking.
For us to understand each other I feel that its necessary for both of us to agree that Sexism is real, it's still happening, body types and glorification of certain looks do exist as well as behavioral traits that are considered feminine are real.
"I still don't understand why women aren't ripping harder, whipping bigger, riding faster. I see all these 12-year-old kids that are 4'10" and 90lbs ripping harder than the best women in the world"
well, first of lets name someone who in my opinion rips trails on a regular basis rides fast and whips like a champ, her name is Casy brown. To name another woman who rips trails and is faster than most men, and makes headlines in news is Rachel Atherton.
Those are two exceptional riders who stand out for their way of riding. their personalities, you see, are very different to how the "normal" woman is.
this brings me to the part where I lecture you about society and its sexist impact on Woman on risk. It all starts at the very beginning of one's life. Boys are encouraged to take risks: be adventurous, curious, bold, strong and physically giving it all they've got, they're encouraged to be the "knight" or the action figure they have in their rooms. While girls are encouraged to be the woman who waits in the tower with the long hair to wait for the knight to save her, to stay inside and not go into the dark forest and not explore any of the other paths, to be careful and afraid of risks because they will harm her because she is pictured as so defenseless. that all shapes and forms the way of thinking of a boy, and a girl.
A Men approaches and deals with risk, very different to how woman approach and deal with risks because of the way they were taught to deal with risk.
Now: are woman worse riders than men? Quite simply, no. they are not, but they are taught to be more careful, gentle, smooth, and afraid. Which is why you can see so many women not pumping into turns as hard as men, you don't see them go into things as hard as men, simply because they were taught to be simply different than men. www.ted.com/talks/reshma_saujani_teach_girls_bravery_not_perfection
Can you post vids of ‘all these 12 year old kids’ that are ripping harder than the best women in the world?
And ignoring the issue of size and strength is ridiculous. Of course that matters. What do all serious riders do in the offseason? They work out, and try to get stronger. Why do they do that? So they can perform better.
So basic logic would suggest that men, who generally have a major natural advantage in size and strength, are going to be able to rider harder and faster than women.
I'm going to risk gender generalisation here, but here goes:
From my time riding various bike parks I've noticed that men generally like to show off with whips etc, playing to their mates and trying to look 'rad'. Women tend to not show off and just concentrate on having fun and getting down the trail, with more supporting each other too. Both groups are having fun just in different ways. Apart from the pro's I can't really tell who is faster as the women that do ride tend to be quick whereas the men range from stupidly fast to nervous mincers. The only thing I do know is that the places I ride regularly always have a better feel about them when there's a mix of genders all out having fun. When it's skewed to mostly one gender dominating it loses that feeling if inclusiveness (yes, a large group of ladies can be just as intimidating as a large group of 'bro's'!), Like life we need to geta good 50/50 mix of each and if this video helps that happen then great.
If you want a real answer, I'll paraphrase something I read on Pinkbike, written by one of the pro/elite women. I can't remember who. Basically, when you're comparing apples to apples in the pro categories, women are smaller, lighter/less dense, and generate less power than their male counterparts. This is not a sexist thing, but a genetic thing. A man on the same course will be able to hold a line better and pump harder. Same reason I, at 5'9", have to work much harder when I try and keep up with a 6'5" dude with massive legs and much more leverage than I have due to their longer legs, bigger muscles, etc. While I may be able to bounce up and over chunder, they would be able to plow and hold a faster line. It is absolutely a strength or size thing. I can guarantee if you put one of those anecdotal 12-year-old kids on a pro course up against a full-size, pro-woman, the kid would get their ass kicked. Watching a 12-year-old do a big whip in a single video is not an accurate or reliable comparison against an entire field of pro/elite women or men.
Also, I can say that I have ridden with one or two of these ladies at Creek and they are FAST. I am a dude who has been riding for 20 years, park for 15 years, I'm no slouch, but they are QUICK. I've also tried to keep up with Gwin on the mountain and it is just a different ballpark. The power+weight ratio is certainly an important part of the equation.
I still don't understand why women aren't ripping harder, whipping bigger, riding faster. I see all these 12 year old kids that are 4'10" and 90lbs ripping harder than the best women in the world...
clearly its not a strength or size thing.... so seriously tell me... why aren't women better???????????????
I want to see women ripping as hard as men, and as far as I can tell the only thing holding them back is the bar for females being so low.
@rideitall-bmx-dh-road-unicycle: Well as you've said yourself it's not about strength or skills. personally, I wouldn't even say they are slow but here my explanation to why I Downvoted your comment, first things first, I can back up that Woman are not worse than men at riding bikes by names and numbers, please lets not get into this part so much, I have a life, so I don't want to get too involved in this: however I do want to lecture you a tiny bit about common sexism and the effects of it in Mountainbiking.
For us to understand each other I feel that its necessary for both of us to agree that Sexism is real, it's still happening, body types and glorification of certain looks do exist as well as behavioral traits that are considered feminine are real.
"I still don't understand why women aren't ripping harder, whipping bigger, riding faster. I see all these 12-year-old kids that are 4'10" and 90lbs ripping harder than the best women in the world"
well, first of lets name someone who in my opinion rips trails on a regular basis rides fast and whips like a champ, her name is Casy brown. To name another woman who rips trails and is faster than most men, and makes headlines in news is Rachel Atherton.
Those are two exceptional riders who stand out for their way of riding. their personalities, you see, are very different to how the "normal" woman is.
this brings me to the part where I lecture you about society and its sexist impact on Woman on risk. It all starts at the very beginning of one's life. Boys are encouraged to take risks: be adventurous, curious, bold, strong and physically giving it all they've got, they're encouraged to be the "knight" or the action figure they have in their rooms. While girls are encouraged to be the woman who waits in the tower with the long hair to wait for the knight to save her, to stay inside and not go into the dark forest and not explore any of the other paths, to be careful and afraid of risks because they will harm her because she is pictured as so defenseless. that all shapes and forms the way of thinking of a boy, and a girl.
A Men approaches and deals with risk, very different to how woman approach and deal with risks because of the way they were taught to deal with risk.
Now: are woman worse riders than men? Quite simply, no. they are not, but they are taught to be more careful, gentle, smooth, and afraid. Which is why you can see so many women not pumping into turns as hard as men, you don't see them go into things as hard as men, simply because they were taught to be simply different than men.
Some good points, and a subject I've oft pondered; the large time gaps between ladies and men in a sport where technique is paramount. It's easy to just jump right into sexism as the sole cause and blame men and society, but is it adequate?
Since the dawn of time, when man diverged from beast, we've been hunters and gatherers; we've worked the land; we've fought endless wars. We've braved the frontiers. For all of human history, it has been necessary for men to be brave and strong. We've essentially been selectively bred for thousands of years to fit that role. Warrior. Worker. Hunter. Athlete. Bred for strength, and courage, and toughness.
Conversely, for all those millenia, women have birthed and nurtured children, and done all sorts of necessary tasks that men have been less suited for. Women have also been selectively bred, to a degree, toward these roles. They've become more empathetic, and many other positive things. They are well adapted to the roles that they've historically performed. Not roles they were forced into, but the roles that our species EVOLVED into. Roles that brought our species from cavemen(and women), to our current state of technological advancement.
For most of human history, these roles have been necessary. In the last maybe 200 years, the roles have become more interchangeable. Modern warfare has lessened the necessity of men to be physically superior. Women are increasingly choosing careers over child rearing. There is generally legal equality between sexes, but not equality of outcome, of business or sporting success, at least not in numbers.
Consider for a moment that there exists no world, even one devoid of any sex discrimination, where the effects of that history are going to be erased in one generation, or even five. It's got to be a slow, steady climb. Real, organic growth takes time. Same goes with racial equality as well. Even if you could magically erase all racism and provide equality of opportunity to all, it would still take centuries to go from zero to 100. Progress takes time, and blindly throwing blanket hate and blame on an entire sex and society is not especially helpful. I see a heckuva lot of people in my own life striving for equality and trying to do the right thing. Progress takes time.
I seriously love your comment! @AllMountin: But yes in some parts you agree with me, maybe I’ve sayd something that can be misleading.
Yes it’s true, society mainly evolved into the concept of myths, we humans where able to produce myths and build a society based on that “paper has a value which is written on it” My point is simply that when society began to need less of a Stone Age woman, who was only ment to care for the new born and prepare food since men went out hunting and couldn’t do such things. It should’ve been that point of industrialization where woman should’ve been respected and treated the same way as men, in my opinion. Strength sure has its roles into it and certain chemical aspects of how the body works. But would’ve should’ve could’ve... I’ll just stop my self right here since I am geting too much into the theoretical part of gender and it’s roles in society. I believe that girls around the world should be encouraged to go out and have fun on bikes, skateboards, boards and other sport related activities!
We can see some ladies riding like maniacs! There has to be more of that!!!
As a ride leader for a large MTB group in the NW, my experience is true heterosexual men will always look at women as objects of desire. It's just biology we were put on this earth to mate. Women I have talked to don't like riding with men because they want to be left alone and not be told their bike is a POS or not good enough or they should change or up grade this part. When I ride with females if they have a bike problem or a flat I don't run over and try and save the day. If they ask me for help I help, but if it starts to take way to much time I will step in. What baffles me though in this day an age is women want to be treated equal, but continue to put on female only rides where as a man if I put on a Male only ride I would be in trouble.
You're clearly talking to a small sample of women, then. I won't categorize myself as a leader of anything, but as someone who rides pretty much every damn day, I can tell you that there are plenty of women who enjoy riding with both men and women and alone. Your comment on the Rachel Straight video last month shows that YOU are the heterosexual man you're describing. There are a lot of awesome guys that are easy and welcoming for women to ride with, but it seems like you may have an issue with this because YOU can't get past the objectivity part. You're completely contradicting what you say by saying you're baffled by women's only rides. You spent the first part of your comment talking about how women are objectified... so why wouldn't they want to be riding with only women? How about this: take a cue from your own advice and don't objectify women. Ride with them because you want to, not because you're a "ride leader." If you can't do that, then perhaps you should just stick with riding with you bros. That way you don't have to waste your time "saving the day." In other words, get a clue. You're way off base.
There's a clue as to why we have women only rides in your first sentence.Seriously,I don't need to be objectified on a ride-I'm there to have fun-just like you are.Thankfully most guys are really cool-you could be cool too.
Men still make up the vast majority of mountain bikers in 2018. We don't NEED designated male only rides because all too often, your typical group ride is going to be all-male anyway.
It's our responsibility to do everything we can to make mountain biking a welcoming scene for people that aren't part of the majority - be it women, kids, racial minorities, etc. Anything less than that is exclusionary, as it just reproduces the patterns of inequality we already see in the sport.
And sorry, but biology just isn't a legitimate excuse for shitty behavior.
There is a difference between general issues of equality and something like a women’s only ride. Things like wanting equal pay, wanting better representation in the government, wanting to be treated Witt respect in the workplace, etc are all real societal issues we need to deal with.
Women wanting to organize their own rides, which is mainly due to wanting to ride with a group that is of similar physical ability is not the same. Everyone acknowledges that in high level sports there is always going to be separate categories.
The title is proving that common insult of "you throw/bike/ski etc like a girl" is just a stupid sexist comment that says doing anything like a girl is a bad thing. If the title upsets you, I think you should do some research on the history of women in sports and then maybe you'd actually understand why this is actually a really sick video.
except the part about her lumps
You sir got into the wrong community to spread hatred to fellow same minded people and objectify them by their gender, not their wheel size, frame material, brake, armor, or Sus-travel choice.
Here we objectify objectively, gender is out of the role.
"how to be a Mountainbiker"
we all know that video, if not, you'll google it now and know about it.
One of the points that its missing is that no matter the gender, no matter the age, if you get featured on Vitalmtb, Pinkbike or any of the major MTB media pages. it's for a good reason and its that you rip trails like most people can't, don't or won't. so their street cred gets a permanent rise of +10p
not even then, you have a street cred value of +5p when you ride, no matter the gender, age, sexual interest or ethnicity.
We all love riding for what it gives us, so please, don't disrespect the Comunity with such sexist, narrow-minded mean fullness.
We love each other, we support each other and after all, we all try to have fun while advocating nature, joy, and the word shred or rad in some way. those things are love man.
clearly its not a strength or size thing.... so seriously tell me... why aren't women better???????????????
I want to see women ripping as hard as men, and as far as I can tell the only thing holding them back is the bar for females being so low.
For us to understand each other I feel that its necessary for both of us to agree that Sexism is real, it's still happening, body types and glorification of certain looks do exist as well as behavioral traits that are considered feminine are real.
"I still don't understand why women aren't ripping harder, whipping bigger, riding faster. I see all these 12-year-old kids that are 4'10" and 90lbs ripping harder than the best women in the world"
well, first of lets name someone who in my opinion rips trails on a regular basis rides fast and whips like a champ, her name is Casy brown.
To name another woman who rips trails and is faster than most men, and makes headlines in news is Rachel Atherton.
Those are two exceptional riders who stand out for their way of riding.
their personalities, you see, are very different to how the "normal" woman is.
this brings me to the part where I lecture you about society and its sexist impact on Woman on risk.
It all starts at the very beginning of one's life.
Boys are encouraged to take risks: be adventurous, curious, bold, strong and physically giving it all they've got, they're encouraged to be the "knight" or the action figure they have in their rooms.
While girls are encouraged to be the woman who waits in the tower with the long hair to wait for the knight to save her, to stay inside and not go into the dark forest and not explore any of the other paths, to be careful and afraid of risks because they will harm her because she is pictured as so defenseless.
that all shapes and forms the way of thinking of a boy, and a girl.
A Men approaches and deals with risk, very different to how woman approach and deal with risks because of the way they were taught to deal with risk.
Now: are woman worse riders than men? Quite simply, no. they are not, but they are taught to be more careful, gentle, smooth, and afraid.
Which is why you can see so many women not pumping into turns as hard as men, you don't see them go into things as hard as men, simply because they were taught to be simply different than men.
www.ted.com/talks/reshma_saujani_teach_girls_bravery_not_perfection
And ignoring the issue of size and strength is ridiculous. Of course that matters. What do all serious riders do in the offseason? They work out, and try to get stronger. Why do they do that? So they can perform better.
So basic logic would suggest that men, who generally have a major natural advantage in size and strength, are going to be able to rider harder and faster than women.
From my time riding various bike parks I've noticed that men generally like to show off with whips etc, playing to their mates and trying to look 'rad'. Women tend to not show off and just concentrate on having fun and getting down the trail, with more supporting each other too. Both groups are having fun just in different ways. Apart from the pro's I can't really tell who is faster as the women that do ride tend to be quick whereas the men range from stupidly fast to nervous mincers. The only thing I do know is that the places I ride regularly always have a better feel about them when there's a mix of genders all out having fun. When it's skewed to mostly one gender dominating it loses that feeling if inclusiveness (yes, a large group of ladies can be just as intimidating as a large group of 'bro's'!), Like life we need to geta good 50/50 mix of each and if this video helps that happen then great.
clearly its not a strength or size thing.... so seriously tell me... why aren't women better???????????????
I want to see women ripping as hard as men, and as far as I can tell the only thing holding them back is the bar for females being so low.
Well as you've said yourself it's not about strength or skills. personally, I wouldn't even say they are slow but here my explanation to why I Downvoted your comment, first things first, I can back up that Woman are not worse than men at riding bikes by names and numbers, please lets not get into this part so much, I have a life, so I don't want to get too involved in this: however I do want to lecture you a tiny bit about common sexism and the effects of it in Mountainbiking.
For us to understand each other I feel that its necessary for both of us to agree that Sexism is real, it's still happening, body types and glorification of certain looks do exist as well as behavioral traits that are considered feminine are real.
"I still don't understand why women aren't ripping harder, whipping bigger, riding faster. I see all these 12-year-old kids that are 4'10" and 90lbs ripping harder than the best women in the world"
well, first of lets name someone who in my opinion rips trails on a regular basis rides fast and whips like a champ, her name is Casy brown.
To name another woman who rips trails and is faster than most men, and makes headlines in news is Rachel Atherton.
Those are two exceptional riders who stand out for their way of riding.
their personalities, you see, are very different to how the "normal" woman is.
this brings me to the part where I lecture you about society and its sexist impact on Woman on risk.
It all starts at the very beginning of one's life.
Boys are encouraged to take risks: be adventurous, curious, bold, strong and physically giving it all they've got, they're encouraged to be the "knight" or the action figure they have in their rooms.
While girls are encouraged to be the woman who waits in the tower with the long hair to wait for the knight to save her, to stay inside and not go into the dark forest and not explore any of the other paths, to be careful and afraid of risks because they will harm her because she is pictured as so defenseless.
that all shapes and forms the way of thinking of a boy, and a girl.
A Men approaches and deals with risk, very different to how woman approach and deal with risks because of the way they were taught to deal with risk.
Now: are woman worse riders than men? Quite simply, no. they are not, but they are taught to be more careful, gentle, smooth, and afraid.
Which is why you can see so many women not pumping into turns as hard as men, you don't see them go into things as hard as men, simply because they were taught to be simply different than men.
www.ted.com/talks/reshma_saujani_teach_girls_bravery_not_perfection
Since the dawn of time, when man diverged from beast, we've been hunters and gatherers; we've worked the land; we've fought endless wars. We've braved the frontiers. For all of human history, it has been necessary for men to be brave and strong. We've essentially been selectively bred for thousands of years to fit that role. Warrior. Worker. Hunter. Athlete. Bred for strength, and courage, and toughness.
Conversely, for all those millenia, women have birthed and nurtured children, and done all sorts of necessary tasks that men have been less suited for. Women have also been selectively bred, to a degree, toward these roles. They've become more empathetic, and many other positive things. They are well adapted to the roles that they've historically performed. Not roles they were forced into, but the roles that our species EVOLVED into. Roles that brought our species from cavemen(and women), to our current state of technological advancement.
For most of human history, these roles have been necessary. In the last maybe 200 years, the roles have become more interchangeable. Modern warfare has lessened the necessity of men to be physically superior. Women are increasingly choosing careers over child rearing. There is generally legal equality between sexes, but not equality of outcome, of business or sporting success, at least not in numbers.
Consider for a moment that there exists no world, even one devoid of any sex discrimination, where the effects of that history are going to be erased in one generation, or even five. It's got to be a slow, steady climb. Real, organic growth takes time. Same goes with racial equality as well. Even if you could magically erase all racism and provide equality of opportunity to all, it would still take centuries to go from zero to 100. Progress takes time, and blindly throwing blanket hate and blame on an entire sex and society is not especially helpful. I see a heckuva lot of people in my own life striving for equality and trying to do the right thing. Progress takes time.
But yes in some parts you agree with me, maybe I’ve sayd something that can be misleading.
Yes it’s true, society mainly evolved into the concept of myths, we humans where able to produce myths and build a society based on that “paper has a value which is written on it”
My point is simply that when society began to need less of a Stone Age woman, who was only ment to care for the new born and prepare food since men went out hunting and couldn’t do such things.
It should’ve been that point of industrialization where woman should’ve been respected and treated the same way as men, in my opinion.
Strength sure has its roles into it and certain chemical aspects of how the body works. But would’ve should’ve could’ve... I’ll just stop my self right here since I am geting too much into the theoretical part of gender and it’s roles in society.
I believe that girls around the world should be encouraged to go out and have fun on bikes, skateboards, boards and other sport related activities!
We can see some ladies riding like maniacs! There has to be more of that!!!
In other words, get a clue. You're way off base.
Women wanting to organize their own rides, which is mainly due to wanting to ride with a group that is of similar physical ability is not the same. Everyone acknowledges that in high level sports there is always going to be separate categories.
Seriously? You are trying to explain something to those modern toleranted half-men? ))