If you have watched Youtube Bike videos, you must have seen Eric's video on the BC POV channel. Last year during the pandemic he built a trail and we met up on Tuesday to ride it.
Funny how pinkbike doesn't cover any youtube content unless it's related to Remy or Yoan. I don't particularly care but it's interesting where they draw the line.
@shredddr: Yes, Skills with Phil, but the skill of the rider is not directly proportional to the level of entertainment. For example we just watched Eric, who is a great rider, but very far from the level of remy for this entire video...
@lefthandohvhater: Eric's a good rider and good dude, but again, respectfully, I don't see why PB would post it. His content is relatable, and it's cool to see what I might ride if I went to some of the same trail areas, but that's not what I tune into PB for. Phil sounds interesting - i'll check it out.
@shredddr: he’s a goofy guy, and I almost wrote him off entirely first time I came across him, but he rips and is an all around great ambassador. I guess that’s why GT picked em up
I don't think they are drawing a line, it's probably just who they know and what they like to feature. Maybe being familiar with particular people allows them to be sure they won't put a link to something 'off brand' for PB.
@makripper: hahah! I felt the same, not sure why but he grew on me. Only seen a few of his vids, but one where he follows wynn in Whistler was pretty neat
@shredddr: I find myself drawn more to quality of content than pure skills. My top mtb channels on YT are: Berm Peak, Van Girl Yuka, BC POV, Skills with Phil, Mark Matthews, Bernard Kerr, Wyn TV, Fox (Dialed). I'm sure I'm missing a few... I get why these channels aren't usually covered on PB, but I am stoked to see this video
@shredddr: Pinkbike's roots are in the Fraser Valley where this trail is. They were based in Chilliwack before moving to Squamish. I think this coverage has alot to do with the local Lower Mainland trails and builders as well as the local Youtubers too.
PB is more “core” MTB so PB knows their average reader will not be a fan.
Most YouTube channels could be considered a media outlet. Why would you post your competitors content?
If it’s cool enough to be featured on the front page, you’ve probably already seen it anyways.
Just like the audience, the staff may have slight bias against non-pro YouTube content. I know I don’t like watching my bald, fat, aging butt ride a bike in slow motion.
@nvranka: He has definitely calmed down. there was a period back 3-4 years ago that Phil was a giant douchweasel diva. back when he rode for Evil....had a Karen-esque meltdown at the Sedona MTB fest.
Maybe Pinkbike's line is covering legitimate riders and not weekend warriors talking into a GoPro while cruising down "EPIC AND DEADLY MASSIVE JUMP FLOW TRAILS TRIPLE BLACK DIAMOND I DIDN'T THINK I WOULD SURVIVE!!!"
Youtubers already get too much attention, we don't need Pinkbike flooded with their janky content.
@makripper: yes that's where Radek started but they spent most of their formative years in Chilliwack. If you want to get into the semantics we can go down history lane.
In its early years, Pinkbike.com was run from the basement of a house in British Columbia, Canada. The name Pinkbike.com was originally thought up as a joke, the antithesis of names like "extremebiking.com" and "hardcorebiking.com".
@Burningbird: Van Girl Yuka is Eric's wife I believe, and my problem with her content is she's a hard-charging, no-fear ride with limited skills. She's often over her head and if not crashing she's promoting the wrong way for progression IMO. Remy & Yoann are almost the opposite: world-class talents who teach you how to avoid and mitigate risk as you push your riding. The latter is a repeatable strategy even for us mortals while the former gets you on Friday Fails.
@fasian: Former BC boy now Calgary... old man. You're both right, though now Squamish, and the result is the Whistler corridor gets a lot of attention now. We'll probably get a lot more Boulder content pretty soon
@plyawn: Each to their own I suppose. I appreciate the thought and preparation riders like Remy and Yoann put into line choice and the decision of whether or not to hit a feature. They hit things faster and bigger than the vast majority of riders so the consequences are bigger. Personally, I enjoy watching Yuka's videos and don't think she rides irresponsibly, but I haven't seen every video. I find her ability to commit to scary lines to be inspiring.
@fasian: what are you talking about kid? Why would I need to fact find? You didn't know they started it in Calgary lol maybe you should do more fact finding before posting?
@makripper: Sure i knew the brothers are from there, but Pinkbike the website got started and took off here in BC, specifically the Fraser Valley. hence the coverage of a local trail, local builder who also happens to be a youtuber. But if you want to keep typing feel free. I see you just throw stuff out there.
@fasian: nope. It started in Cowtown. That argument is invalid. where something started 20 plus years ago has nothing to do with what current site visitors want to see as far as content goes. Keep it up junior
@Burningbird: that’s part of their schtick lol, they aren’t nearly as cautious as they portray. Sure, maybe on a really high consequence line, but most of the ‘gnar’ they break down is pedestrian.
As a pro builder, the Huck Finn wall ride scares the shit out of me. Someone is definitely going to overcook it out of it and fall 15' to the brush pile below, gotta pay attention to what can go wrong on features like that. The trail is definitely well built as a whole, just has a rather poor outcome if you try and boost out of the one feature.
@mhoshal: I'm not talking about dumbing down features to eliminate the possibility of injury, more eliminating bad trail design that inspires people to ride the trail incorrectly, which in this case happens to have quite high consequences
@vtracer: You'd have to try really hard to mess up that bad, its just a wooden berm with a tiny gap out of it. Maybe that feature scares you because you've never ridden anything like that before, not because of the design. This feature is not "high consequence" and is not an example of bad trail design. It looked like something you'd find on a blue flow trail at Kicking Horse.
Rider responsibility 101: Don't blindly hit features going mach 5 and don't ride above your ability level. As a self-proclaimed professional trail builder, you surely know the most basic rules of rider responsibility.
@scott-townes: Bingo, the issue is that it appears as not a high consequence feature, despite having the possibility of a rider misreading it and having things go quite south
@scott-townes: but they are designed poorly, this is coming from an experienced stunt & trail builder - carpenter … SMH A for effort but a C for overall execution. More work on the landings was needed for sure
Unfortunate that this trail got posted. Why,why,why? It will be a shame when this trail gets blown out when everyone rides this over the winter. Very disappointing.
@trail-governor: who each one of them produce the same content. Industry made that... Earning money with underground stuff bringing it to mainstream. Poor mtb sport
@trail-governor: yes right. Earning money which others should get. I'm sich of this stuff. 10 best parking lots here, ten best jibb tricks there. Oh 2 month later. New video. Best parking lot jibb tricks again ;-)
@platnum The trail was sanctioned and payed for in part by the local riding association. Eric also devoted much of his YouTube channel to the building of it. So I think fair to say all parties involved want as many riders as possible to come and enjoy Eric and the other builders hard work and vision. It’s a great trail in a popular riding area. It belongs to everyone. If it gets blown out how about you get your buddies together and go out for some trail maintenance days.
@antihero: in no way do I think that the trail isn’t for everyone, of course it is. In our neck of the woods we are in for a very wet winter and it might be better for the trail if “everyone” found it on their own. Word of mouth happens quick around here. When FVMBA has a trail day there,I’m in. As for me and my buddies, we won’t do more than blow drains and clear deadfall on someone else’s trail unless asked.
As mentioned, he didn't put that feature in.... But it's ok to build stuff for other people too. I think they call it selflessness. Would be nice if more people tried it out.
PB is more “core” MTB so PB knows their average reader will not be a fan.
Most YouTube channels could be considered a media outlet. Why would you post your competitors content?
If it’s cool enough to be featured on the front page, you’ve probably already seen it anyways.
Just like the audience, the staff may have slight bias against non-pro YouTube content. I know I don’t like watching my bald, fat, aging butt ride a bike in slow motion.
Youtubers already get too much attention, we don't need Pinkbike flooded with their janky content.
In its early years, Pinkbike.com was run from the basement of a house in British Columbia, Canada. The name Pinkbike.com was originally thought up as a joke, the antithesis of names like "extremebiking.com" and "hardcorebiking.com".
Good luck with your fact finding!!
Rider responsibility 101: Don't blindly hit features going mach 5 and don't ride above your ability level. As a self-proclaimed professional trail builder, you surely know the most basic rules of rider responsibility.
The trail was sanctioned and payed for in part by the local riding association. Eric also devoted much of his YouTube channel to the building of it. So I think fair to say all parties involved want as many riders as possible to come and enjoy Eric and the other builders hard work and vision. It’s a great trail in a popular riding area. It belongs to everyone. If it gets blown out how about you get your buddies together and go out for some trail maintenance days.