Video: Riding MRP's Progressive Suspension at Powderhorn Bike Park

Oct 5, 2019
by MRP Bike  

Timmy D is riding a 160mm Ribbon Coil and the Hazzard on his Kona Process 153. Check out his tuning and setup preferences at the end of the video. We think the Ribbon Coil and Hazzard are the ultimate combo for coil suspension lovers. More info here.

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  • 22 1
 Just to make a little controversy. How do you judge the goodness of a product from a video like this, we live in an age in which we base the choices on sensations and not numbers, we watch a video of a descent of a champion with a suspension and air and say "wow! this is a Fork, I want it! ”, the following week we see another one (maybe with the usual rider) but with a spring fork and, again, all with an open mouth. I don't want to say what is better or worse, I mean that numbers and data are necessary to be able to judge things, not four jumps is a bit of dust.
  • 21 13
 When Numbers and data are provided it’s only to give sense of higher tech. Different kind of marketing. Just look at videos with Jordi from Fox and Loris Vergier, do I need to say more?

A relevant anecdote: Two people pick up mushrooms in the woods, one of them does it for years another one knows latin names of mushrooms. Neither of them is a botanist, which one of them is more likely to be an a*shole?
  • 12 0
 @WAKIdesigns : The one who was an a*shole to begin with?

@pk71 : That's the problem with marketing and the people who buy into that bullshit.
  • 47 9
 @muyguapa: quite a lot of people who ride faster than us cannot be arsed about curves and data... I spend time with people with higher education and lack of it. Folks who nerd bike parts and those who don’t give a flying damn. I will tell you something. You are more likely to find an idiot who can send it sideways and nail every compression in a rockgarden than an engineer... the argument of “data makes you make better purchase choices” is as flawed as it gets. Data and graphs is nothing more but entertainment for the nerds. Entertainment. Because at the end of the day you are either the guy sending it, or the guy standing by the jump with confused face expression
  • 10 3
 @WAKIdesigns: you do realise that you just called the best riders idiots, right?
  • 6 0
 @stumpymidget: it was pretty damn funny and accurate though
  • 8 1
 @WAKIdesigns: nerd here, I want to be entertained
  • 1 1
 @WAKIdesigns: @WAKIdesigns: glad to see you're figuring it out.

Pretty glad in general today. GAF!
  • 2 0
 I don't know. It looks pretty plushy.
  • 1 0
 @stumpymidget: I always say there is a fine line between bravery and stupidity. Or if you prefer, the gray zone is pretty thin.
  • 2 1
 Actually, at least to me, it doesn‘t matter much any more, it‘s been quite a while since I‘ve ridden a bad suspension fork. The current offerings from Fox, Rockshox, Formula, MRP,... are all working great with differences that come down to personal preference.
  • 1 0
 They should just put a lockout out on the rear, or go with a heavier spring! Seems like a hard tail setup jump bike!
  • 1 0
 @stumpymidget: Well in my riding buddy group the level of qualification and income is more or less inversely proportional to the level of practice and skill, so he might have a point.
  • 7 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I'm an engineer. To set my suspension I watch videos, read articles, use the recommended settings and it always feels horrible. Now I just give the bike to my bro, he squishes it a couple times, twiddles some dials, squishes it again, twiddles again and gives it back and it feels amazing.
  • 4 0
 @stumpymidget: I wouldn't say he's calling them "idiots". There's a saying - "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach". There's some truth to that. It's rare that you get a rider like Fabien Barel, who can do both. For the most part, the ones sending it and the ones arguing about leverage ratios, geometry, and curves are worlds apart in riding ability. I'm more than willing to admit that my riding ability comes nowhere close to my riding "knowledge".
  • 3 0
 @WAKIdesigns: um that is not a binomial problem...it's more like why did the moron cut his toilet in half? A. Because he knew his half ass cousin was coming over to visit...or B. He knew his ass wouldn't fit on a full seat., Two choices but independent variables.
  • 3 0
 @loganbeck: LOL. As an engineer who can also ride/race i cant agree more. When it comes to suspension set up I can spend hours reading into the science and theory of the settings and set up, but usually at the end of the day i just twist a bunch of dials till the bike feels good and how i want it to. "how'd it feel?" "i dunno i was going fast af and sending, trying not to crash and die."
  • 1 2
 @WAKIdesigns: There are some engineers out there that absolutely rip... but ya we are a minority.
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: what about those who neither have the knowledge nor the skills? Asking for a friend.
  • 10 1
 I only commented on calling people who don’t know much about bike parts stupid. I know some of the best riders in Sweden in Dirt, BMX and DH and they care quite little about what they ride. They just ride. And some of them just buy something to try something. Just like they build dirt jumps. They don’t make thorough calculations and planning how to build a feature. They just do it. And if it is wrong they either modify it or tear it down. And use ground material they dug up on another feature. All the time I spent researching bike parts, every longer session in webshop fighting out which is most optimal, is mostly lost time. I just spent hours on wondering which fork should I buy as next. Tweaked my lyrik a bit, added 20mm of travel, gone down in SAG just to try and bang! Excellent. Suddenly I see the back of my friend on WC level track all the way down, even if he rides away from me. Previously he was gone in 4 corners.

It’s what you do with it what matters more than what you have. Setup/ skill practice/ riding experience. You need to try this approach to feel it. If you keep flipping bike parts, changing bikes often, you learn little. Pro riders go through more setup changes and tests in a month than you go during 2-3 years. But they have folks doing it and folks with clock waiting by the track.

I believe that making so called “informed choice” has little relevance since it’s effects can be measured in 2-3 seconds. Effects of practice are measured in tens of seconds. You will win more testing and setting up what you have. As someone wise wrote here: I just spent 4years perfecting my setup just to buy a new bike and start it all over again. In the context of coil vs air, “informed choice” is as irrelevant as it gets.
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: yes, however... athlete plus brains trumps either alone.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: yes! u wrote the words to what I have been sneering about during my group rides.
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: when you know what you want to do and how you want to do it you only need the numbers and certainly not the video bullies
  • 3 0
 We're still working on a way to quantify SPH(Smiles per Hour).
But for real, we're pretty fortunate that bikes have come such a long way that high end coil vs air is even a debate, even though both perform so well in several models.
The message being here, MRP coil is a rowdy good time and Timmy D has the smiles to prove it.
  • 2 0
 @chiefspinningspokes: Smiles per hour? Who'll pay for this?!!!!
  • 1 0
 Honestly, I'm super surprised how well the fork is composed just watching it! I think it's impressive but I agree with you as well Smile
  • 2 0
 @WAKIdesigns: The parts might even be better but sometimes you have to shut up and ride.

At the end of the day. We all ride bikes just enjoy it. If that takes numbers cool, if that takes cool videos... cool too. Whatever man, just ride.

You basically just described analysis paralysis. At the end of the day riding bikes is mostly skill based. Riding will trump talking about riding in terms of skill
  • 1 0
 (collapsed into one post)
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: so your saying coil? Or air?
  • 3 0
 @Grosey: I like coil shocks, undecided on forks, I also like mushrooms and weed over alcohol and I would never shag another dude
  • 1 0
 @WAKIdesigns: .... Never?
  • 16 1
 so many bar spins in that video, none of them in the air ...
  • 2 0
 Because he's #oncoil.
  • 1 0
 I see your point, but not everyone is super good. I would honestly like to see honest advertising in a lot of things. Like, they get their bike, ride around awhile, fall a few times, break something on the bike, then wait a few weeks, then ride around some more mundanely, before learning how to stoppie. Why does everything have to be super good?
  • 10 0
 Just got a Ribbon Coil and in absolutely rocks – yes, air springs in Lyric/36 have come a long way, but boy do you feel the difference when switching to coil!
Way more grip, wheels follow terrain like glued on! You drop into familiar rooty corners and with the new forks the bike leans into a tighter line without being deflected as much.
  • 9 18
flag WAKIdesigns (Oct 5, 2019 at 1:04) (Below Threshold)
 I love coils but if you follow polls of major suspension brands On instagram, no more than 25% claim they want a coil and you can be sure some portion of these who say they want won’t pull a trigger when standing in front of a purchase.
  • 9 0
 @WAKIdesigns: Only Curtis Keene and if you want to win Bike of the day in vitalmtb.
  • 5 0
 @chyu: hahahah yeas.. you are right.. but once you do that run with a coil fork, and feel the difference, you dont want to go back.
Either MRP ribbon (which has a very good but basic damper) or a PUSH acs3 with the choice of your damper/platform are wonderful.. did not try vorsprung, but seems legit.
Dont worry about 200 grams more, coil makes the difference.
  • 3 3
 Even my $300 bomber cr feels way better than any air shock to me
  • 4 1
 @WAKIdesigns: chances are the average insta-follower doesn't know any better than air cause they haven't been riding long enough.
Also the polls of major suspension brands, coincidentally the brands not offering coil... so don't give too much credibility to those polls neither.

I think what keeps coil forks from a resurgence is exactly that, the lack of options from RS and Fox. Average mtb'er (not average pinkbiker) wouldn't even consider other brands since the lack of OEM presence makes them look like a risky purchase.
  • 4 5
 @ismasan: chances are most people want air because it is lighter. A bike with air front and back is up to 800g lighter than coil sprung one. Most people also use Exo casings on 160 bikes. For weight. Then some of them stuff some
uber expensive and btch to fit insert in. They are completely unaware of how dramatically different is the bike handling on Exo casing vs DH casing.
  • 1 2
 @WAKIdesigns: Why do you care more about polls than actual riding experience?
  • 3 4
 @sergeyeremin: I just explained you how people think. I personally prefer coil anytime of the day and own one in the rear of my bike. Not sure if I would like one in the front but for the rear it’s great. With a good damper off course. I’d rather run good air shock than shitty coil.
  • 2 1
 @WAKIdesigns:They're welcome to think whichever way they want, I don't base my decisions on polls of people most of whom never even tried the thing they're asked about Smile

I'm just sharing how much of a performance benefit there is to having coil-sprung twin-tube dampers on both ends of the bike. I myself was surprised at how much difference it made compared to top air combos like 36/X2 and Lyric/SuperDeluxe.
  • 2 2
 @sergeyeremin: it is irrelevant what we two think, polls indicate that majority of people want air springs so companies produce air springs and both of us have little choice, at least for the front. We are not moving to a parallel universe because of that, we deal with it.

Coil vs Air is a very vague area. Sweden is a little country, people know each other, so we hear stories about different folks including Öhlins test group. I also know Öhlins distributors in 2 countries eho ride bikes. The story is short. When first RXF34 and 36 came out, the air sprung one was crap, both in terms of spring and because of the damper. Then they released the coil and everyone lost their sht on how great it is. But they also improved damper on that one. Bow they relesed new air and it is as comparable to coil as it gets.

Also what do you mean by better? Better where? 36 and X2 are god damn good pieces of suspension. So good where? Parking lot? Machine dug trail? Natural single track? Finale Ligure EWS? Val di sole DH? At what speeds? Barely surviving Andorra WC or going full gas on Lenzerheide? What fork, what travel? In what bike?
  • 3 0
 @WAKIdesigns: I don't get the concern for popular opinion. If a niche product works better for me than the mainstream one – I'll take it Smile

As I mentioned above, the most improvement can be felt in very uneven ground (mainly roots) – I've got way more grip, taking tighter lines that I could with previous forks/shocks however you set comp/rebound. And yes, going coil at the back is a more noticeable improvement, but Ribbon Coil is a terrific upgrade – I'm not going back to 36 or Lyric any time soon. I don't know if it's just about the spring, or the damper as well, but I can list a few tricky off-camber or rooty corners where I got a surprised WOW taking them for the first time on Ribbon.
  • 1 0
 @sergeyeremin: with fox 36 + push coil conversion you get a better damper+coil spring.. but its not worth the new fox 36 + conversion price... getting an old fork and doing the conversion its a better idea I guess.... I stay away from RS, only tried push on RC2 and FIT4 damper, and the latter one works fantastic despite being shit with the original air spring...The ribbon damper just works, nothing flashy, its a good damper.
  • 1 0
 Just swapped from a Fox 36 RC2 (air) to MRP Coil then back to Fox 36 Grip 2 (air). My trails are rough and fast with descents of 1200-2500 feet. For my needs, the Grip 2 is the most supportive and easiest to get dialed. As for the missing the coil, I don’t. The air spring up front allows for finer tuning and the Fox fork is just really smooth. Now, the rear shock is a different story. Switched to a CCDB Coil CS from a DPX2 and it’s night/day more supportive.
  • 1 0
 @ryan83: Yeah, CCDB Coil CS is even better than X2 in my use, let alone something like DPX2. I especially like their CS, which tunes both LSC and LSR to give you supportive platform with tons of grip on tricky and rooty climbs.
Climb lever on X2 is a crude LSC harsh-fest by comparison.
  • 10 1
 og Kona graphics look sick, just need a Marzo fork & that bike would be prime.
  • 9 0
 That’s how kona should sell that bike.
  • 2 0
 I run mine almost fully open. 3-4 clicks of rebound. 0-1 compression damping. One preload shim. Very little ramp control. I’m 210 geared up for a party. 160mm 29er medium spring. It’s very different than the pike it replaced and for my local rough fast trails it’s a big improvement.
  • 1 0
 Yeah the hazzard is badass. I have one on my instinct BC, I’m 68kg also and run the 350lb spring. Curious if those are from closed or open.. I run my rebound 9 from closed and low speed 12-13 from closed (32 clicks available). These adjustments look like they are from open
  • 2 1
 Have a Ribbon Air - was difficult to get set up like my Lyrik, but is good now.

Are there any real long term reviews of the Hazzard out there? How does it compare to 11-6 considering they are asking for similar amounts of money?
  • 3 2
 It's a recycled design, not a "new" shock. Terrible dampening and not tunable. Go with a Marz. Bomber CR.
  • 2 0
 Hazard is half the price, that's not really very similar...
  • 5 3
 I had a ribbon coil for a while, yes coil is good but the damping was terrible, chassis was flimsy and they were unreliable as f@&k.
  • 4 2
 Agreed , me too
  • 5 2
 Totally agree
  • 4 3
 also, why does everyone love this fork (and the air version) and think it's an "advanced" rider's fork? i really don't get it. it's fine, but the hazzard sort of sucks too.
  • 4 3
 @bigwheels87: I tried this out because the fork looked backwards hahaha but when I tried it damn everything internal felt backwards lol fork is garbage internal noise chatter just wasn’t a great product maybe in the future it will be better but for now thumbs down
  • 3 0
 @nlibot33: love my ribbon coil fork. I've read a couple complaints of internal noise but I don't know what people are talking about. I swapped my spring when I got it and you're supposed to coat it with Marine Grease. As quiet as my old Fox 36
  • 1 1
 @shmoodiver my experience too. Just look at his setting 0 LSC, wtf. A fast / aggressive rider should have a fair amount of LSC
  • 1 0
 @nlibot33: @bigwheels87:
I love how guys gave no thought to what different dampers do and how they work, and are complaining about Ribbon being noisy (and hence for some reason inferior) – twin tube dampers are always noisier than bladder ones, simple physics!
  • 2 0
 @sergeyeremin: didn't mind the noise, which i thought was due to the coil spring. didn't like the HSC behavior and they way the fork seemed to spike and/or was inconsistent in response to trail conditions. glad that some people do though!
  • 1 0
 @bigwheels87: You're probably referring to their pneumatic Ramp Control – it's speed sensitive and I heard that some people see it as spiking/inconsistent.
I'm running it open at the moment, don't feel the need for it on UK trails. Will see how the Ribbon fares in the Alps, might need to add some Ramp Control there.
  • 2 0
 Yup, same here, never got a decent ride from the Ribbon Coil, not even as good as Fox 36 Grip. Got a Bomber with a Smashpot Coil, it’s sweet, though still heavy. My fav fork out of the box is Bomber Z1 Grip.
  • 3 1
 Is it true that Timmy D snapped both of Chuck Norris’s legs with a single kick of a paper football???
  • 3 0
 Did Kona change the entire Process lineup with hunchbacks?
  • 1 0
 #lookslikeamondraker
  • 3 3
 Me personally didn’t like the MRP Ribbon fork it seriously felt like it was a poorly build fork after a week worth of riding just didn’t hold up as great as DVO, Fox, and Rockshox
  • 3 0
 The real story is how awesome that Kona looks Drool
  • 1 0
 This is the first I've heard of Powderhorn Bike Park. Has anyone been there? Is it good? How many trails?
  • 2 0
 It's OK. There's like 4 trails there, good for maybe a day, more like a half day IMO. Tickets are cheap but other than that it's kinda in the middle of nowhere. If I was in the area I think I'd rather just rail ride Fruita/Grand Junction. Worth a day though if you've got more than the weekend to work with.
  • 1 0
 @BullMooose: DH bike worthy or nah?
  • 3 4
 No barspin but the bike’s set for them and sweet dogpiss 1 footer. Glad your pumped on this....

And you show the settings for a 150lb rider. Average weight xc pro for sure.

Im totally sold.
  • 2 0
 I like Powderhorn, and Tim is a nice guy..
  • 2 0
 Ribbon Coil is the plushest, best riding fork on the market
  • 1 0
 160 Mrp ribbon coil up front dvo topaz air in back my perfect setup
  • 1 0
 Not gonna lie, the fork looks insanely composed in everything
  • 1 0
 I wish more companies and pros would share their suspension settings
  • 2 2
 most terrible filming since the 90s?!
  • 1 1
 With those settings, might as well be a hard tail jump bike setup!
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