ALL OUT ALLOY
Carbon bikes see most of the time in the spotlight, but you can have every bit as much fun on an alloy frame. Alloy frames offer great value as they mimic frame geometry and the incorporated technologies as their carbon cousins, but with a lower price tag. To try something different, we called in three Sea to Sky shredders who've been riding Rocky Mountain carbon bikes for a number of years and told them to hit the trails on the new alloy models. These three pretty much live on their carbon trail and downhill bikes, so why not try something new?
Justin "Dewey" Roy took out the Thunderbolt Alloy 50, a 27.5" 130mm trail bike, to match his snappy and playful riding style. Dylan Forbes and Jakob Jewett were set up on the Instinct Alloy 50 BC Edition, as they both like prefer longer travel bikes, have a need for speed, and aren't afraid to send it. Justin "Dewey" Roy
Dewey started out as a dirt jumper in Ontario, and after moving to Whistler in 2008 he never looked back. When riding the Whistler Bike Park, the municipal river jumps, and the pumptracks in town became his day to day, the playful style he'd initially developed through dirt jumping began to transfer to the other disciplines. Fast forward to today and it doesn't matter what bike he's riding, he's popping off rollers, tricking jumps, and jibbing whatever's possible.Dylan Forbes
Dylan Forbes has become a fixture of the Whistler Bike Park over the last 10 years. Known for his speed, style, and ability to smash corners, Dylan has achieved peak "bike bum" status. He's always been a freerider focused on sending it and until recently was pretty hesitant to throw his leg over a 29er. He's put in a lot of time riding 27.5" wheels on the Maiden, Altitude, and Slayer. So what happens when you put a guy like Dylan aboard a 29" platform? Exactly what you'd think. The same hard turns, the same fearless style, and just a bit more speed.Jakob Jewett
Jakob's a soft-spoken kid who lets his riding do the talking. Growing up in the Garibaldi Highlands, his backyard features a series of aggressive granite slabs that spit you down the street from his house. Jakob dreams of racing downhill at the World Cup level, and he's always searching for the fastest lines down the mountain. Crawling down the backyard slabs doesn't really interest him. Instead, he likes to ride them fast, calculated, and throw in the odd nose manual.
By the way, we've had Muslims immigrating to our country for many years and most are great people just looking for a better life for their families.
Maybe you should worry about the white, male, born and bred Americans that keep shooting up your schools and workplaces?
Moreover, we have to consider the manufacturers`course to novelty, which are the basics of marketing and mass consumptiont. Each year they conditionates the customers to make them buy ``brand new`` stuffs that they often don`t need, even if I agree that our sports has evolved considerably these last 10 years, technically speaking, so we are all tempted to buy and try the ``last best machine in the world``...
I feel concerned and also irritated by the fact that most brands are tending to the same goal nowadays that consists in selling quickly consumable/throwable/removable items with a programmed obsolescense such as carbon frames. OK: the brands will always say that it`s not true, that `their`carbon frame`s conception are reliable and so on..... this is pure bullshit, except probably if you never ride in rocky terrains and mine-fields...
I`m often here as sort of anti-carbon activist, in a soft way though, as I really care for ecology, recycling, durability, economy, respect of every steps and actors of what is making our sport so cool and connected to nature. More than a simple sport or leisure, mountain biking has to be a certain philosophy as well, with a deontology. So that`s my aim...
Personally I have 2 bikes: a steel aggressive hardtail for 90% of my rides, and my old-school Rocky Mountain Slayer SXC from 2008 for gnarly runs in bike parks or destroyed terrains. What else would I need? A carbon piece of crap that costs both my arms and my testicles and that`s gonna crack in two at the first stone? Hum.... No thanks.
WAY more than 1 in that ilk out there....
+1 for using “malfeasance”. Last person I heard use that was Dwight Schrute.
Best show of all time hahaha
It's not like they bought WalMart bikes and were riding them like pros do, but I guess that horse has already been flogged, so here we are.
A regular rider wont notice the difference between carbon and alloy. And i think that 2.3lbs (1kg) on the frame is not that important! See explanation from Joe of Starling Cycles.
It is the currently accepted belief that the lighter the bike the better. There is a certain truth to this, a 100kg bike would be a pain. But a small increase of 1 or 2kgs over the ‘lightest bike’ weight isn’t as important as people think.
When climbing, you are lifting the weight of both the bike and the rider. For arguments sake, let’s consider an 85kg rider (plus kit), and 15kg bike, 100kg in total. It is this weight that must go up the hill; it is this mass involved in the calculation of energy required to climb. So let’s add 2kg to the bike weight, we now have 2% more energy to put in. Not 15kg bike weight plus 2kg which is 13%. The same argument applies to accelerating.
This small impact of bike weight is further reduced by the fact that rotational mass (in the wheels) is more important than the static mass of the frame and components. So if the wheels of the heavier bike are the same weight as those of the lighter bike, then the 2% impact is reduced.
When descending, some additional mass actually helps the suspension by increasing the sprung to un-sprung mass ratio. A bit of mass in the frame also helps keep it ‘calm’. By that I mean it is less likely to be bounced around by bump forces and pitch fore and aft. If you’ve ever ridden an e-bike, you’ll know how well it grips the ground and sit happily unfazed by the bumps.
So a bit of mass helps with bike grip and stability, and as long as we don’t add too much, it doesn’t affect climbing and acceleration."
The weight difference on alot bikes (carbon vs. alloy) is not as big as the most think!
The best example for carbon vs alloy is Knolly! www.knollybikes.com/quality
i got away from carbon cause it's just too expensive to keep fixing after a minor crash. so now im back to alloy, but would have loved a yeti sb-150 or an intense carbine if alloy was an option.
I only ride alloy, mostly due to budget, but also just don’t have a big desire to go carbon. I haven’t ridden one so I don’t know what I’m missing I guess.
It should read; "Carbon frames offer zero value as they mimic frame geometry and the incorporated technologies as their Alloy cousins, but with a much higher price tag."
There, fixed it for you.
Now they’re trying to sell us the ally again cus nobody buying em.
How about...selling them cheaper so they’re actually a budget friendly option?
If somebody can give me a good reason for my new frame in 2015 costing me £1100 and that same frame going up to £1600 the year later after once all the development costs have been covered and the thing is actually cheaper to produce I will be more receptive to arguments for bikes costing more.
“Hey look these idiots are paying £1800 for our competitors frames, why are we selling ours so cheap again, Dave? They sold twice as many units, Dave....50% higher than ours and they came out the same factory. f*ck this. Dave, you’re fired. Keith, change the price to £1600 for 2016. Sam’s gonna win everything, they’ll pay. Oh they’ll pay alright”
*rubs hands together and chuckles madly*
So. Everyone stop buying bikes pls. I can’t afford them.
other brands like commencal showed that an alloy frame can look really sexy, and yt just nailed it with their alloy capra, but this..? i dont know..
Hope I didn't waste your time, or the comment section.
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