Without a budget cap for this Field Test, it's no surprise that most brands opted to ship us their high-end models to review rather than more money-minded bikes. Can you blame them? If your company had a new machine, would you risk the focus of its first review being on a cut-rate fork or wheelset that let us down? Of course not, which is why we often end up with bikes in the $8,000 to $10,000 USD range. But while some of us are just fine with spending that much on a bicycle, whether it took years of saving or that's just spare change, I'd wager that most either can't or won't be okay with those kinds of numbers.
That's why we made this video looking at our five Field Test trail bikes to see which model gives you the most bike for your buck in each range.
Specialized StumpjumperThere are six Stumpys to choose from, with the other three carbon models costing $7,000 for the Pro, $4,700 Expert, and $4,000 for the Comp. It’s important to note that all use Fox forks with the GRIP or GRIP2 damper, all have 4-piston brakes, and all have the exact same geometry as they’re all the same carbon frame. The biggest difference is the alloy wheels on the Expert and Comp - the others have carbon hoops.
Geo and suspension are everything, so if you really want a carbon frame, it’s hard to ignore that $4,000 Comp model that comes with SLX - a favorable spec compared to many others at this same price. Don’t care about carbon frames? While there is a $2,300 Stumpy, I like the look of the $3,200 Comp Alloy that comes with more capable suspension, as well as an NX drivetrain instead of SX. One note here: the alloy bikes actually still use Horst Link suspension whereas the carbon ones are now linkage-driven single pivot. I’m sure they act a bit differently on the trail, but I haven’t ridden the alloy bike yet so….
Giant Trance XIf you want to keep it to carbon with the Trance X, there are three versions to choose from: The expensive ‘0’ that we reviewed, the $5,500 ‘1’ model, or the $4,500 ‘2’ - all of which see their parts hanging off the same carbon frame. They all have carbon wheels, too, although the ‘0’ gets a lighter version. The 1 comes with Fox’s high-end fork and shock, whereas the 2 gets a less expensive Pike Select with the Charger RC damper, and it’s GX versus NX as well.
But it’s the alloy models that stand out most to me. If you’re okay with ditching the ‘Advanced’ tag in favor of aluminum, have a look at the $3,200 USD Trance X 29 ‘2’ that gets a Fox 36 with a GRIP damper and an SLX drivetrain. That is absolutely bang for your buck, especially compared to most others at this price point.
Ibis MojoThe $6,267 USD Mojo we reviewed is the least expensive trail bike of the bunch, but does the SLX and carbon wheel’d bike offer the most performance for your bucks of the five versions?
If it were my pennies, I’d have a real hard time looking past the Deore-sped Mojo that costs $4,500 USD. We’ve been super impressed with that drivetrain, and that money also gets you a Fox 34 with the GRIP2 damper. If I had somehow scraped together another $800 to burn, I’d spring for the wide carbon rim upgrade option as Ibis’ wheels have been some of my favorites in the past. But only if that was literally spare money.
Actofive P-TrainAm I really supposed to talk about value in the same sentence as a high-end, handmade exotic that's manufactured in very small numbers? Er, I guess so…
The frame on its own is somewhere around $4,000 USD without a shock, depending on exchange rates, duties, and the mood of obscure shipping rules that are designed to make things as difficult as possible. And if you want your exotica with a shock, that’ll be more Deutschmarks, please; around $4,666 USD with an EXT Storia, because you’re not gonna put something boring on it, are you? No, I hope not.
Actofive doesn’t sell complete bikes, but I don’t think anyone is going to be hanging an inexpensive drivetrain or a cheap fork on this thing. The question is: If I wanted a P-Train but needed to build it up without going crazy, what parts would I choose? For a fork, I might get something like a Pike Select with the Charger RC damper, and it’s hard to overlook a Deore drivetrain, isn’t it? The P-Train was made to descend, so four-piston brakes are a must as well; SRAM, TRP, and Hayes all offer good stuff. Wheels would be aluminum, of course, and either Stan’s or Spank. But not those godawful colorful rims. Just some nice black ones. My cockpit and everything else would be aluminum as well.
Salsa BlackthornOnto Salsa’s 140mm-travel Blackthorn. There are three carbon bikes, two aluminum bikes, and I should point out that they also sell not only a carbon frame for the usual carbon price but also an aluminum frame/shock for $2,100 USD. That’s notable as very few other brands offer a relatively inexpensive alloy frame on its own, worth keeping in mind if you already have some decent suspension and parts to throw at it.
Speaking of aluminum, I had assumed that one of the two alloy Blackthorns would make the most sense - they sport the same geo as the carbon ones, after all - but both come with value-minded forks that use second or third-tier dampers. If you’re an experienced, hard-charging rider who’s used high-end stuff before, you’ll definitely notice the difference. This is where more money can buy more performance, with the $4,900 Carbon SLX Blackthorn being the least expensive version I’d want to buy. Not exactly inexpensive, I know, but that gets you a mostly SLX drivetrain, 4-piston brakes, and a Lyrik with Rockshox’s awesome Charger 2.1 damper.
What does all that mean? I’m gonna admit that being a Pinkbike test editor for the last 12 or 13 years hasn’t exactly helped my eye for value. I'll work on that, but I think the common thread here is the same as always - if they have the identical geometry and good suspension, there’s relatively little on-trail difference between carbon and aluminum frames.
If value is the question, the real answer is an aluminum frame with a high-end suspension fork or at least one that uses the best possible air spring and damper. We don’t see enough of that. With that in mind, the bike that stands out to me is that aluminum Giant Trance X 29 2 that costs $3,200 USD. That gets you the same adjustable widely geometry as the carbon bike, a Fox 36 with the GRIP damper, and the impressive SLX drivetrain. What else do you need?
Let us know what you think in the comments - did I nail it, or am I out to lunch?
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Swap in an X-ray shifter and you’re good to go
"Giant’s decision to spec an electronically-controlled fork and shock says they put more emphasis on pedaling performance than out-right suspension performance. Let’s be honest here: None of that is going to make the Trance X the cool bike to have out of this group"
As far as the Trance X, anytime the focus of a bike is on a lockout system inside the shocks it just highlights that the suspension design isn't ideal and is lacking.
I'm no fan of electronically controlled suspension, fwiw.
Ended up getting the Optic because it was the only one in stock. Besides being a great ride, the C3 spec is bang on for the money (although I would drop the XT derailleur in favor of an upgraded shifter or brakes). Kudos to Norco for addressing the three issues I had with last year’s bike (resin only rotors, flimsy chainslap protection and garish paint jobs). Plus they seem to be doing a better job than most at keeping their supply chain running - As of today, my LBS, Fanatik and Jenson all have the Optic in stock in various specs and sizes
No bike these days has " Massive Pedal Bob" unless you're pedalling a downhill bike. If you have massive pedal bob on a sub 150mm travel bike your suspension settings are way off.
I would agree with you on the stumpy expert , with a catch:
The Ibis mojo is the value bike for people that want 27.5 wheels. Deore, fox factory suspenison and an Ibis carbon frame for under $5k. Add carbon wheels and it’s $5300. That’s a great value.
I believe, that manufacturers should be somehow persuaded to send mid-level models for test. It is relatively easy to create a $10k wonder bike with top suspension, but only a minority of customers will afford one. The idea is - send the bike which has the most chances to win and customers will buy cheaper model in belief that they will ride just like one in the reviews. Which may not be true, especially because of suspension. So unless there is no value limit, manufacturers will always send the most pricey model, otherwise they risk a relatively bad review.
When a Pivot switchblade frame costs 4,150 (with a cheap aeffect crankset) and an SB-130 is 3,600 /// I feel obligated to applaud the big S for being one of the only brands to actually lower the cost of their frame-only option in 2020
Ibis deserves a shout-out too
Im more wondering what happened next year. Everyone should finally get their bike they waiting for last 4 months,... and will hopefully sell theirs 1-2 year old bikes,... as well, did brands ramp up their production because of high demand? If so, will they got caught with their pants down if demand will take dive if covid is over? Only time will tell,...
Thanks you for making some suggestions. Please test ride these bikes . A Fox fork and SLX brakes on an affordable bike? Yes please .
Yeah we're kinda in a crisis
I was able to locate an Stumpy Alloy for $2200 US, and that was perfect for me. I could have tolerated a higher price, but not for "first" bike. People may be critical of the components, yet this bike and its price point has enabled me to get a bike and get on the trails. That is what value represents to me.
I would love to see a yearly highlight article about the best [and worst] value components of the year.
Consulting with a few big bike shops that see how these parts hold up in the real world would be a huge plus, too.
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I think you *might just* be able to make a real difference in the bike industry if you call out the bad components that have a high failure rate or really poor performance... and also shower praise on the parts that work great for serious riders on a budget.
It seems like value drivetrains get all the attention... but it’s way cheaper to replace a cheap shifter or derailleur compared to buying a new rear wheel when a cheap hub fails. (usually cheap hubs are laced with spokes and rims that aren’t worth the cost to rebuild) > or replacing a fork or shock that just don’t cut it.
“Following up on MTB nerdout… not sure budget, but here’s my recs:
- Ibis Ripmo AF Deore ($3.2k)
- ’21 Spec Stumpjumper Comp Carbon ($4k)
- ’21 Canyon Spectral 29 CF 8 ($4.7k)
- ’21 Commencal Meta TR 29 Essential ($3.5k)
- ’21 Nukeproof Reactor 290 Comp Alloy ($2.7k)
- ’21 Vitus Escarpe 29 CRS ($3.2k)
- ‘21 Marin Alpine Trail CR ($3.6k with unbeatable suspension)
Things to look for (without nerding out too much about suspension kinematics): ~65deg head angle, >75deg seat angle, Shimano Deore and SLX (best deals in the biz), 30mm or wider rims.
Things to avoid: SRAM SX or NX, Rockshox Gold/Sektor or other 2nd tier chassis.”
I really enjoy helping friends get into riding and taking them through this. Having someone well versed on all the details of bikes and riding in general to guide them through the process can alleviate so much stress and uncertainty.
I’m sure it’s a good bike in its own right and the geo is nice but until they up that rear travel it’ll be tough to compete with the market.
@Spiral23 yeah Specialized only wanted to send us a fancy build of the Status, which is a bummer but the plus side is it’ll be apples to apples on the Stumpy and Evo.
I was thinking that is the whole marketing thing with that Status, one build, one price aaaand go!
Cheers! .
That said, it is indeed nice, that at least one brand offers a frame only option in aluminium. Unfortunately it’s Salsa - not because their bikes aren’t great, they are, but because they’re superboost... I strongly doubt, too many people have parts lying around for that.
Let’s make this happen more.
Kudos to Rocky Mountain, Ibis, Canfield, Knolly, Norco (sight A1) and others who are keeping these options alive.
Does this mean that you're asking which bikes have the best philosophies in life?
But no offense, great summary and vid :-)
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The Spartan: an actual North American built frame !!!
However, if you had an extra grand or maybe less, it would be extremely hard to beat the new Canfield Tilt at $4400 pre order with high end suspension, brakes, tires, etc. and updated geometry and the amazing CBF suspension. ( canfieldbikes.com/collections/tilt-trail-am-29er ) Of course, you could easily get closer to $3k if you had a few spare parts or shopped smartly (Deore/SLX/etc.) to build the frame fork combo going for $2700. Hopefully it'll be on next years PB Trail bike category to test.
The shore continues to be fairly niche, even though it’s decent value.
I’d wager the AL Slash will take the value enduro bike win, but I’m rooting for the Propain.
Admittedly... partially so then I can finally find out how much it costs here in the states...
But given the pricing on the Tyee, it’s pretty competitive. It could be close.
Ahh, right you are.
I’ve been looking for a new frame to build up and the Altitude is only available as a carbon frame, even though they make AL options. Hence mis-remembering it was carbon only.
As a side note, it seems kind of odd to not sell an alloy frame, when they sell an alloy bike.
Hubs have gone 135qr - 142x12 - 148x12 (and some to 157x12)
Bottom brackets have gone from BSA to a million different variants of press fit.
Forks have gone straight steerer to tapered.
Shocks have gone from imperial to metric.
Wheels have changed size.
Handlebars have changed size (stupidly).
Etc.
When you add it up its very difficult to see any frame or component as a lifetime investment now, and it's getting harder and harder to transfer stuff over. Yes, some stupid can be transferred, but it is a far less convenient / desirable option for many more.
Good news is that (pre Covid bike rush anyway) there was some very good deals on perfectly functional 'obsolete' standards bikes.
It's impossible to do now, and a little something died when that became evident. Oh well...
2018 RM Altitude alloy frame from Buysell. Fork is a used Suntour Durolux. Drivetrain is SLX 11 speed. Wheels, Stans rear and Fratelli front. Oneup dropper & composite pedals, WTB seat, Giant handlebar, DMR stem.
If I had to buy brakes and cranks it would have driven the price higher but I was able to reuse old ones.
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It's along the lines of what was recommended here - metal frame and top end suspension (Ext). If you are interested I'd recommend getting in touch - they're a really good bunch of guys and I'm sure they'll chat through the bike/options if you're interested (or I can give you a half baked opinion!). The one thing I would say is that you don't ride them off the back - the demo guy was saying that was where sone people struggle. I'll add that the weight on them is super low, the suspension is incredible, and that they're a lot of fun.
I imagine it would get a reaction a bit like the Actofive did - super capable, good at efficiently tractoring up a climb, but not 'fun' on the ups like a xc bike.
For the rest it's killer content ^^
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If you're a good enough rider to even be aware of the "performance" of said frame, then you are definitely good enough to realize that a Pike Select is woefully sub-par in this category. No matter how you want to slice it - moving some of the frame allocated funds to better suspension is going to result in a bike that performs better in every way.
But, we all know that's not the point here. The point is to blow your entire wad on a dubious, hyper-expensive, hyper-exclusive frame because - Instagram.
Field Test: Searching Out the Best Values in the Trail Bike Category
And preview picture is S-works Stumpy!
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